#linuxcnc | Logs for 2014-05-08

[00:01:30] <zeeshan> dude
[00:01:34] <zeeshan> ah damn
[00:01:37] <zeeshan> ill ask when you come back
[00:01:38] <zeeshan> :P
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[00:27:55] <jdh> PeteInTN: http://raleigh.craigslist.org/bfs/4459323662.html
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[00:56:05] <PetefromTn_> jdh Nice man where was it when I needed it LOL
[00:56:39] <PetefromTn_> That is a pretty huge machine tho. Probably has a slow spindle too. but Cat50 probably has some balls.
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[01:07:48] <toastyde2th> cat 50 machines are generally pretty serious, considering a cat50 holder is like twice the size or more of a cat 40 holder
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[01:16:48] <PetefromTn_> I know the cat50 holders are larger but I did not think they were twice the size. Have to look at some again tomorrow.
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[01:17:27] <PetefromTn_> They have a large horiztontal mill that uses cat50 and it is indeed huge tho.
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[01:20:08] <toastyde2th> I started on a cat 50 machine and when I saw cat40
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[01:20:17] <toastyde2th> i thought it must surely be cat30 or cat20
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[01:27:31] <PetefromTn_> hehe I can see what you mean.
[01:28:24] <PetefromTn_> I am happy with my cat40 mill tho. It would cut pretty much anything I am gonna want to cut. If someone brings me some inconel I will just gnaw on it awhile LOL
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[01:36:45] <zmi> hello i could installed it, ubuntu linuxcnc but i have other problem now, the network and imagen on the screem is bad no working well
[01:37:31] <zmi> how can i do with that?
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[01:41:24] <toastyde2th> PetefromTn_, tbh it's all about tool size and overall machine quality, not necessarily taper
[01:41:34] <toastyde2th> with a 40 taper you can cut any damn thing if the machine itself is solid
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[01:41:41] <toastyde2th> what a 50 taper buys is big ass tools
[01:41:50] <PetefromTn_> yup.
[01:41:58] <PetefromTn_> BIG ASS tools..
[01:42:03] <ChuangTzu> asstools
[01:42:04] <ChuangTzu> big ones
[01:42:06] <toastyde2th> hauling ass with a 15" facemill or a 5" drill
[01:42:21] <PetefromTn_> thats nutz.
[01:42:29] <toastyde2th> there's also cat60
[01:42:37] <PetefromTn_> We have a six incher at work and it is crazy big to me.
[01:42:40] <toastyde2th> but very very few machines have it and they're all very very large
[01:42:43] <ChuangTzu> what do gantry mills use?
[01:42:48] <ChuangTzu> cat60?
[01:42:49] <toastyde2th> depends on the gantry
[01:42:54] <toastyde2th> no, most use cat40
[01:42:56] <ChuangTzu> damn
[01:43:16] <toastyde2th> a lot of gantry work is bulky, not necessarily high power, heavy cutting
[01:43:33] <toastyde2th> now a bridge mill, that's more likely to be 50 or 60 taper
[01:43:43] <PetefromTn_> I like Cat40, a huge chunk of cat50 when it is released by the power drawbar could smash your hand underneath it from the weight LOL
[01:43:44] <toastyde2th> much much much heavier than a gantry machine
[01:44:04] <toastyde2th> ya, I always stood on the table and got my shoulder under the tool
[01:44:10] <toastyde2th> when i hit the drawbar
[01:44:26] <toastyde2th> towel around it
[01:44:30] <ChuangTzu> so the things that look like gantry mills but are room size are called bridge mills?
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[01:44:57] <toastyde2th> nah, gantry machines generally have a static table
[01:45:04] <toastyde2th> and all xyz movement occurs on the gantry
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[01:45:26] <ChuangTzu> bridge mills have movable beds?
[01:45:29] <toastyde2th> a bridge mill usually has yz on a static bridge, and the tabel moves
[01:45:35] <toastyde2th> the bridge usually also has a W axis
[01:45:36] <ChuangTzu> wow
[01:45:40] <toastyde2th> to raise and lower the bridge itself
[01:45:58] <toastyde2th> they have much smaller workspaces but a much much more powerful (on average)
[01:46:02] <toastyde2th> 50-300 hp milling heads
[01:46:14] <toastyde2th> mostly for forge work
[01:46:16] <ChuangTzu> http://www.jorgensonmachinetools.com/cincinnati-6-axis-gantry-bridge-mill
[01:46:18] <ChuangTzu> i was thinking of that
[01:46:38] <toastyde2th> looks nice, but def a gantry machine
[01:46:45] <toastyde2th> most gantries aren't as solid as that one
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[01:47:00] <XXCoder> holy shit
[01:47:02] <XXCoder> tjays big
[01:47:54] <toastyde2th> also many bridge mills will have the cat-50 bolt pattern
[01:48:07] <toastyde2th> some facemills get bolted to the spindle instead of drawbar
[01:48:11] <Jymmm> ChuangTzu: If you get that, could you mill me a coupel of cars please
[01:48:39] <Jymmm> ChuangTzu: or a house
[01:49:03] <toastyde2th> there are horizontal boring mills with 10 meter y axes
[01:49:25] <ChuangTzu> lol
[01:49:27] <toastyde2th> mill a small office building
[01:50:02] <toastyde2th> size and power tend to be inversely related in large machines, with the notable exceptions of blanchard grinders and VBMs
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[01:50:43] <Jymmm> Is the building included in the sale price?
[01:50:55] <toastyde2th> hahaha
[01:51:28] <toastyde2th> you could probably negotiate that considering the building probably costs a tenth of the machine
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[01:56:25] <zmi> the driver to network and video dont work so i was in channel ubuntu but they say that channel is no for suport for linuxcnc because this ubuntu is the linuxcnc
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[02:08:18] <ramkam2014> Hi there, i'm a newbie in cnc. Is there a good intro guide ? Especially on the choice of milling bits, rotation and displacement soeeds ? Cheers
[02:08:35] <ramkam2014> Speeds
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[02:24:32] <humble_sea_bass> pick up Machinery's Handbook, a copy from the 90's will do
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[02:45:49] <zeeshan|2> man
[02:45:55] <zeeshan|2> the abaqus environment is awesome!
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[02:46:51] <zeeshan|2> doesn't look like it can communicate with inventor or solidworks :{
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[02:54:10] <jdh> have you used HSM express? or wtf it is called?
[02:55:42] <zeeshan|2> briefuly
[02:55:48] <humble_sea_bass> abaqus can do some amazing things, but it lives in its own world
[02:55:50] <zeeshan|2> felt similar to nx
[02:56:18] <zeeshan|2> humble_sea_bass: do you know if you use paramaterized models from solidworks or other popular 3d software
[02:56:23] <zeeshan|2> and make a link between the two
[02:56:34] <zeeshan|2> so if i update a parameter in abaqus, it updates in solidworks automatically?
[02:56:45] <zeeshan|2> i could do that in ansys, but from the looks if it
[02:56:48] <zeeshan|2> its not possible in abaqus
[02:56:55] <humble_sea_bass> I was never able to get pro/e or sw models into it with meaningful parametrization
[02:57:24] <zeeshan|2> .. google foound this
[02:57:28] <zeeshan|2> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3SJyMqxZFoQ
[02:57:29] <humble_sea_bass> iges or some other shit format
[02:57:31] <zeeshan|2> basically need an addon
[02:58:01] <humble_sea_bass> in 20010 they hadn't even though of this
[02:59:08] <humble_sea_bass> anyways, enjoy abaqus, only package that didn't make me cry when I tried to simulate inflatable beams and/or melting fuel rod assemblies
[02:59:37] <zeeshan|2> unfortunately im not doing linear analysis =/
[02:59:47] <zeeshan|2> mainly non-linear stuff
[02:59:58] <zeeshan|2> i think itll be headache regardless :{
[03:00:19] <humble_sea_bass> inflatable beams are nonlinear, that's probably why you're using abaqus
[03:00:45] <zeeshan|2> oh
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[03:01:31] <zeeshan|2> humble_sea_bass: can you do multiple studies
[03:01:34] <zeeshan|2> on the same geometry
[03:01:41] <zeeshan|2> without having to start a new project?
[03:01:56] <zeeshan|2> like in ansys, i can make a new study and link the fact that i want the mesh to be the same..
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[03:02:05] <zeeshan|2> but then i can individually change the boundary condition (ie forces)
[03:02:14] <zeeshan|2> and perform the study simultaneously
[03:02:17] <humble_sea_bass> i don't remember ever doing multiple studies in one file
[03:02:30] <zeeshan|2> do you have tutorials saved? :P
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[03:03:04] <humble_sea_bass> I'll have to look on my old thinkpad x60, that is where "the past" lives
[03:03:24] <humble_sea_bass> and I am fairly certain i had a few painful manuals and tutorials
[03:03:39] <zeeshan|2> haha
[03:03:47] <zeeshan|2> what class was this for??
[03:04:15] <humble_sea_bass> Professor's Lab Bitch 301
[03:04:22] <zeeshan|2> lol
[03:04:32] <zeeshan|2> im suprised they taught us ansys undergrad
[03:04:41] <zeeshan|2> and for grad theyre making me use a completely diffeerent software
[03:04:43] <zeeshan|2> makes no sense..
[03:05:06] <zeeshan|2> basically so far i know my project consists of
[03:05:06] <humble_sea_bass> you can teach ansys fairly quickly
[03:05:27] <humble_sea_bass> Abaqus gives you so many means to shoot your face off and then crash
[03:05:33] <zeeshan|2> shape memory polymer + adhesive layer + steel
[03:05:40] <zeeshan|2> and ill be deforming them experimentally
[03:05:46] <zeeshan|2> and eventually have to simulate it
[03:05:51] <zeeshan|2> and come up with a model
[03:06:34] <zeeshan|2> when you try to do the same deformation with regular polymer, adhesive layer and steel
[03:06:40] <zeeshan|2> you basically get wrinkling
[03:06:47] <zeeshan|2> unless you control the forming parameters very precisely
[03:06:54] <zeeshan|2> but over time, the plastic 'sets'
[03:07:01] <zeeshan|2> and wrinkles will show up after a couple weeks
[03:07:02] <zeeshan|2> lol
[03:07:17] <zeeshan|2> we're hoping with smp, the problem is solved ;p
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[03:14:17] <humble_sea_bass> sounds like a process problem
[03:14:32] <zeeshan|2> i thinkso
[03:14:55] <zeeshan|2> i think im gonna start by testing a few samples
[03:14:57] <zeeshan|2> see what happens
[03:15:01] <zeeshan|2> then try to make sense of it
[03:15:14] <zeeshan|2> make a model to predict the behaviour
[03:15:20] <zeeshan|2> fea, validate
[03:15:39] <zeeshan|2> patent the process
[03:15:40] <zeeshan|2> haha
[03:16:10] <humble_sea_bass> ok. the laptop only has my installed software for it, i'm gonna have to look in one of the old hard external drives
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[03:16:22] <zeeshan|2> lemme know what 'version' its meant for
[03:16:28] <zeeshan|2> i m using 6.13
[03:16:37] <zeeshan|2> i dunno when they started it
[03:16:45] <zeeshan|2> but they have a proper gui environment now called 'cae'
[03:17:03] <zeeshan|2> 'Complete Abaqus Environmen'
[03:17:04] <zeeshan|2> t
[03:17:28] <zeeshan|2> apparently you can also install it in linux :D
[03:17:32] <humble_sea_bass> we were using it in 2009-10 so i think it was your version
[03:17:37] <humble_sea_bass> or close to it
[03:17:50] <zeeshan|2> any of your tutorials will help then
[03:17:58] <zeeshan|2> cause usually when theyre teaching students
[03:18:00] <zeeshan|2> they start with the very basics
[03:18:06] <zeeshan|2> (ie pointing out where stuff is!)
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[03:20:14] <humble_sea_bass> Introduction to Computational Plasticity has abaqus implementations if you can find that book in your library
[03:20:45] <zeeshan|2> fak books !
[03:20:48] <zeeshan|2> i need a step by step tutorial
[03:20:49] <zeeshan|2> haha
[03:21:31] <zeeshan|2> wow
[03:21:38] <zeeshan|2> i have access to the e-book through remote mcmaster library
[03:22:47] <humble_sea_bass> RPI is one of the better engineering school here in the states so their tutorial is gonna be your tutorial
[03:22:50] <humble_sea_bass> http://homepages.rpi.edu/~des/Abaqus%20tutorial.pdf
[03:23:24] <zeeshan|2> you sir
[03:23:26] <zeeshan|2> are the fucking man.
[03:24:03] <humble_sea_bass> but for realsies, look at the book, it helped during dark times
[03:24:47] <zeeshan|2> im looking at it is
[03:24:55] <zeeshan|2> looks like a good book
[03:24:59] <zeeshan|2> it even talks about viscoplasticity
[03:26:35] <XXCoder> that huge mill - how much would it be lol when new http://www.jorgensonmachinetools.com/cincinnati-6-axis-gantry-bridge-mill
[03:27:07] <humble_sea_bass> ok gonna hit the sack. later gangsters
[03:27:20] <zeeshan|2> cya!
[03:27:21] <zeeshan|2> thanks for your help
[03:27:37] <ChuangTzu> what about this one
[03:27:38] <ChuangTzu> http://www.gearsolutions.com/media/uploads/assets/Images/News/October_12/1012_Mag_NB.jpg
[03:27:39] <XXCoder> later humble
[03:27:50] <XXCoder> thats awesome.
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[03:28:10] <ChuangTzu> 100hp spindle
[03:28:16] <ChuangTzu> http://www.gearsolutions.com/news/detail/7396/mag-completes-first-giant-u6-portal-mill
[03:29:22] <ChuangTzu> https://d2n4wb9orp1vta.cloudfront.net/resources/images/cdn/cms/MMS_0410_Windustries_A.jpg
[03:29:39] <ChuangTzu> 240 feet y travel
[03:29:40] <ChuangTzu> lol
[03:29:52] <XXCoder> that looks like train engine
[03:30:11] <XXCoder> I saw half rebuilt engine when i was riding vend vans
[03:30:13] <XXCoder> damn
[03:30:14] <ChuangTzu> i think it's a ship engine
[03:30:22] <ChuangTzu> far bigger than a train engine
[03:30:29] <XXCoder> one piston was large enough to serve with food on top for family
[03:30:53] <ChuangTzu> http://www.blogcdn.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2011/07/largest-diesel-engine.jpg
[03:31:17] <ChuangTzu> wartsila
[03:31:21] <zeeshan|2> nice
[03:31:28] <XXCoder> I dont think thats largest. well depends. the largest period is shuttle movwe
[03:31:30] <XXCoder> mover
[03:31:44] <XXCoder> its max speed is brisky 4 mph when not carrying shuttle
[03:31:48] <ChuangTzu> how big is the engine on the shuttle mover?
[03:31:50] <XXCoder> around 2 when are
[03:32:11] <XXCoder> well earthmover wheel looks like tiny toy besides shuttle mover tire
[03:32:34] <ChuangTzu> this engine is almost 2000 liters per cylinder
[03:32:39] <ChuangTzu> they make them up to 14 cylinders
[03:33:20] <ChuangTzu> crankshaft weighs 300 tons
[03:33:23] <ChuangTzu> :D
[03:33:27] <XXCoder> cant find it dammit
[03:33:52] <XXCoder> http://www3.pictures.gi.zimbio.com/Space+Shuttle+Atlantis+Moved+Launch+Pad+Ahead+6IoR1kEOmfBl.jpg
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[03:34:01] <XXCoder> look at its tire by cars
[03:34:09] <XXCoder> it look like it could easily roll over em
[03:34:18] <XXCoder> and barely notice.
[03:34:30] <ChuangTzu> it has 2 of these:
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[03:34:48] <ChuangTzu> well, 2 alco train engines
[03:34:50] <ChuangTzu> of 2000hp each
[03:34:59] <ChuangTzu> one of those engines has as much output as one cylinder of the wartsila
[03:35:00] <ChuangTzu> :)
[03:35:05] <XXCoder> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crawler-transporter
[03:35:11] <XXCoder> thats nuts indeed
[03:35:45] <XXCoder> apparently it has 16 traction motors
[03:36:00] <XXCoder> 1 kW generator to power em all
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[03:36:12] <XXCoder> so guess its not disel engine lol
[03:36:40] <XXCoder> oh and it has 1/126 mpg approx
[03:36:51] <XXCoder> as bad as my car is... its much better than that lol
[03:36:54] <ChuangTzu> wartsila crankshaft:
[03:36:55] <ChuangTzu> http://static.autoblog.nl/images/wp2008/Wärtsilä-Sulzer_RTA96-C_01.jpg
[03:36:57] <jmasseo> what do you do with a 10,000hp motor?
[03:37:04] <jmasseo> there are small engines that turn 1000hp.
[03:37:06] <XXCoder> dance!!
[03:37:07] <ChuangTzu> actually that's a camshaft
[03:37:18] <jmasseo> people turbocharge toyota engines to run 1200hp
[03:37:20] <ChuangTzu> jmasseo: ships
[03:37:24] <XXCoder> hm
[03:37:26] <XXCoder> just a logo?
[03:37:28] <ChuangTzu> the biggest ships
[03:37:44] <XXCoder> using fuel generators never made sense for me
[03:37:45] <jmasseo> of course these motors are engineered
[03:37:47] <jmasseo> not 'overclocked'
[03:37:52] <XXCoder> its moving slowly and with known distance
[03:37:57] <XXCoder> I'd have wired it
[03:38:00] <ChuangTzu> 5.6 million ft-lb of torque
[03:38:04] <ChuangTzu> at 102rpm
[03:38:15] <XXCoder> drag a wire. its not like it'd slow down. not with huge power
[03:38:21] <ChuangTzu> a 1200hp toyota engine has what, 600 ft-lb?
[03:38:27] <jmasseo> right
[03:38:33] <jmasseo> and will explode if you run it for 8 hours
[03:38:36] <ChuangTzu> heh
[03:38:48] <jmasseo> i think it's probably more like 900 ft lbs of torque
[03:38:51] <jmasseo> they are pretty meaty
[03:38:58] <jmasseo> but not ment for the long hault
[03:39:02] <jmasseo> they tend to pop
[03:39:11] <ChuangTzu> these are also really efficient
[03:39:20] <ChuangTzu> 171g/kWh
[03:39:23] <ChuangTzu> fuel consumption
[03:40:24] <ChuangTzu> 50% shaft efficiency
[03:41:24] <ChuangTzu> 25% or so for a run of the mill small gasoline car engine
[03:41:39] <ChuangTzu> a 1200hp toyota, probably like 5 :)
[03:42:19] <XXCoder> nuts
[03:42:23] <XXCoder> so much loss
[03:42:30] <XXCoder> guess it dont scale up well
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[03:47:28] <zeeshan|2> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zFVeBgEfUg0
[03:47:30] <zeeshan|2> wtf
[03:47:33] <zeeshan|2> instead of using a v block
[03:47:42] <XXCoder> Z block? heh
[03:47:49] <zeeshan|2> he milled out his soft jaws
[03:47:49] <zeeshan|2> lol
[03:48:26] <XXCoder> it looks like adoptor
[03:48:36] <XXCoder> good idea of done very often
[03:48:41] <zeeshan|2> yea soft jaws can be replaced
[03:48:57] <zeeshan|2> but seems weird :P
[03:49:16] <XXCoder> man
[03:49:21] <XXCoder> I cant wait to have functional cmnc
[03:49:24] <XXCoder> cnc
[03:49:27] <zeeshan|2> me too !
[03:49:34] <zeeshan|2> i hope my ball screw shows up soon :D
[03:49:37] <zeeshan|2> im so closeee
[03:49:41] <XXCoder> my rails wont arrive for in least 3 weeks
[03:49:42] <XXCoder> china
[03:50:38] <XXCoder> guy probably makes that weird cyl thing often
[03:50:55] <zeeshan|2> i understand that
[03:51:05] <zeeshan|2> its just weird using a round surface to hold your part
[03:51:13] <zeeshan|2> because the contact points will be random
[03:51:21] <XXCoder> oh interesting
[03:51:29] <zeeshan|2> that why you use a v
[03:51:31] <zeeshan|2> cause it self sligns
[03:51:34] <zeeshan|2> *aligns
[03:51:40] <XXCoder> ahh I understand
[03:52:01] <XXCoder> no idea what that thing hes making is for
[03:52:08] <zeeshan|2> looks like a weird spacer :P
[03:52:10] <zeeshan|2> its nice!
[03:52:12] <zeeshan|2> sexy finish
[03:52:21] <XXCoder> definitely quality
[03:52:22] <zeeshan|2> a lot of people dont like machining marks
[03:52:24] <zeeshan|2> but i love em
[03:52:26] <zeeshan|2> when theyre in a nice pattern
[03:53:10] <XXCoder> I wonder if theres some fancy craver style toolpath generator
[03:53:30] <XXCoder> its easy to make fancy paths but not one that vary in depth
[03:53:53] <zeeshan|2> masteram does varying w/ depth tool paths
[03:54:12] <XXCoder> guessed so lol
[03:54:12] <zeeshan|2> ramp ones
[03:54:15] <zeeshan|2> helical ones
[03:54:21] <zeeshan|2> i cant remember em all!
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[03:55:02] <XXCoder> heh I was talking about style, suppose I use V shape bit, I want to vary depth of etching for cool look
[03:55:14] <zeeshan|2> o
[03:55:52] <zeeshan|2> http://www.mfgnewsweb.com/archives/applying_tech/jan12/pics/Mastercam-Brad-Anderson-3.jpg
[03:55:53] <zeeshan|2> so sexy
[03:56:04] <XXCoder> for example S, deeper in middle and thinner in ends
[03:56:11] <zeeshan|2> oh
[03:56:12] <XXCoder> like fancy writing
[03:56:21] <zeeshan|2> you could prolly just model that how you want it
[03:56:28] <zeeshan|2> and let it follow the contour
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[03:57:02] <XXCoder> guess so
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[04:14:54] <FrankZappa> made a model of an exmet stair. http://i.imgur.com/OUsdtTU.png
[04:16:29] <FrankZappa> <ds3> if I wanted nurbs, I'd go with rhino
[04:16:31] <FrankZappa> amen brother
[04:17:57] <ds3> FrankZappa: not a fan of AOI?
[04:18:46] <FrankZappa> no, but that's because I don't know what it is
[04:18:58] <FrankZappa> pls teach me :)
[04:19:29] <FrankZappa> this is the first place I've found on freenode that even admits rhino exists
[04:19:42] <FrankZappa> and I pretty much masturbate with it every day
[04:19:51] <XXCoder> tmi
[04:21:21] <FrankZappa> looks like everyone enjoys aoi
[04:21:26] <zeeshan|2> FrankZappa: curious how long did that take
[04:21:28] <FrankZappa> never heard of it until just now
[04:21:34] <zeeshan|2> what software is that
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[04:22:03] <XXCoder> sketchup I like but no way to specify sizes manually once set :(
[04:22:09] <XXCoder> so I can't change mind or something
[04:22:13] <zeeshan|2> lol
[04:22:16] <FrankZappa> zeeshan|2 no real idea. I started Sunday, spent a few hrs on it each day, had to learn new ways of doing things now, so future things will be faster... etc
[04:22:20] <zeeshan|2> thats as bad as autocad
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[04:22:36] <FrankZappa> I never did that exmet mesh polyline, for example
[04:22:49] <zeeshan|2> did you mirror it
[04:23:00] <FrankZappa> also, had to find some answers on forum, but only after I had to think up the riught questions
[04:23:21] <FrankZappa> and additionally, I'll be making lots of these, so I took pains to parameterize everything
[04:23:38] <zeeshan|2> im just confused why youd use rhino to do this
[04:23:40] <zeeshan|2> looks like a pain :P
[04:23:42] <FrankZappa> I drew the steel shapes at 0,0,0 in 2d
[04:23:51] <FrankZappa> it was so fun
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[04:24:00] <zeeshan|2> are you trying to learn the software
[04:24:05] <zeeshan|2> or its your main drawing software
[04:24:06] <FrankZappa> yes, ish
[04:24:13] <FrankZappa> yes, to the latter, now.
[04:24:16] <FrankZappa> I draw for me
[04:24:28] <FrankZappa> if I had to produce CAD 2d for a client, no.
[04:24:30] <zeeshan|2> just to give you an idea, thats about a 30 min job in parametric 3d modeling!
[04:24:48] <FrankZappa> heh no it really isn't
[04:24:54] <zeeshan|2> want me to prove it? :P
[04:25:01] <FrankZappa> sure.
[04:25:09] <zeeshan|2> you gotta give me some starting dimensions though
[04:25:10] <FrankZappa> be sure to add all AISC shapes for each
[04:25:14] <zeeshan|2> aisc?
[04:25:25] <FrankZappa> and exmet specs
[04:25:32] <zeeshan|2> ??
[04:25:37] <FrankZappa> yes
[04:25:43] <zeeshan|2> dunno what those means
[04:25:51] <FrankZappa> okay with my setup
[04:26:00] <FrankZappa> I can change any one or all of those member sizes.
[04:26:05] <FrankZappa> right now.
[04:26:12] <zeeshan|2> the angle iron sizes?
[04:26:14] <XXCoder> member size :P
[04:26:15] <FrankZappa> if I want to reduce thickness and increase depth, arbitrarily
[04:26:19] <FrankZappa> I can do that
[04:26:26] <FrankZappa> by cycling thru AISC shape catalog
[04:26:33] <FrankZappa> and member type
[04:26:41] <FrankZappa> and outputting final cost from my distriubutor
[04:27:00] <FrankZappa> Plus I have hourly work table estimates
[04:27:05] <zeeshan|2> thats fairly easy
[04:27:10] <FrankZappa> so "adding a member midspan" is a labor multiplier.
[04:27:11] <zeeshan|2> with solidworks if you use weldments
[04:27:15] <zeeshan|2> itll tell you the total weldment length
[04:27:19] <zeeshan|2> and you can get cost from that
[04:27:32] <FrankZappa> weldment adds or subtracts members?
[04:27:36] <zeeshan|2> yea
[04:27:41] <FrankZappa> based on what?
[04:27:43] <zeeshan|2> you can supress em
[04:27:51] <zeeshan|2> the middle members can be linked toghether
[04:27:59] <zeeshan|2> as a pattern
[04:28:14] <zeeshan|2> all you gotta do is supress or unspress it
[04:28:18] <FrankZappa> no I mean why are additional members just being shoved into an assembly by my software?
[04:28:29] <FrankZappa> What told it to do that?
[04:28:31] <zeeshan|2> what
[04:28:54] <FrankZappa> I mean why would it include any kind of series for span ratings of the sheathing?
[04:29:05] <FrankZappa> *unless I specified it*
[04:29:08] <zeeshan|2> you would specify why
[04:29:14] <FrankZappa> this is my point
[04:29:17] <zeeshan|2> it's easy
[04:29:19] <zeeshan|2> for something like this
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[04:29:32] <zeeshan|2> it sounds like you wanna specify #of stairs, width of stair, height of stair
[04:29:43] <FrankZappa> I set everything up just like I want, parametrically, and you in no way, with no software, could do this in 30 mins with the same parameterizations I've set up
[04:29:45] <zeeshan|2> and based on the width of stair, you wanna add a mid section beam
[04:29:51] <FrankZappa> I even have unequal L angle leg tables.
[04:30:09] <zeeshan|2> if you're gonna make it all fancy
[04:30:14] <zeeshan|2> then you're spending more time on tables
[04:30:16] <zeeshan|2> then modelling
[04:30:19] <zeeshan|2> the model for this is about 30 mintes
[04:30:22] <zeeshan|2> *30 minutes
[04:30:23] <FrankZappa> Plus the exmet thing isn't even a real sheet dimension, I literally played around with a hex grid generator because I wanted "the look"
[04:30:33] <zeeshan|2> how you wanna generate the model based on your parameters, is gonna take longer
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[04:30:45] <FrankZappa> you didn't say "the model"
[04:30:54] <FrankZappa> I agree you can slab up and array and trim
[04:31:10] <FrankZappa> you can't also have stack and real world tie in and parameters, though.
[04:31:21] <zeeshan|2> dunno those terms.
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[04:31:25] <FrankZappa> Especially not with sane/specified work points.
[04:31:39] <zeeshan|2> to give you an idea
[04:31:40] <FrankZappa> do you know what "parametric" means?
[04:31:44] <zeeshan|2> i made a parametric model
[04:31:46] <zeeshan|2> for electrical enclosures
[04:31:55] <zeeshan|2> which would grow and shrink including its frame
[04:32:09] <zeeshan|2> and venting requirements, lifting lugs etc
[04:32:23] <zeeshan|2> with me inputting height, width, depth
[04:32:32] <zeeshan|2> all the weldments would update to the appropriate thickness
[04:32:42] <FrankZappa> based on what?
[04:32:44] <zeeshan|2> it was 2-3 hours of modeling from what i recall
[04:32:52] <zeeshan|2> and 2-3 hours of excel
[04:33:01] <zeeshan|2> to generate the formulas
[04:33:12] <zeeshan|2> and another hour of making the api
[04:33:43] <zeeshan|2> based on strength calculations
[04:33:53] <zeeshan|2> and what transformer was going within it
[04:34:12] <FrankZappa> That's lovely.
[04:34:19] <zeeshan|2> transformer gave me flow area
[04:34:19] <FrankZappa> I'm sure you're faster than me, or whatever.
[04:34:24] <zeeshan|2> its not about me being faster
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[04:34:37] <zeeshan|2> its the fact that 3d modellers that don't use nurbs bs
[04:34:39] <zeeshan|2> are way faster
[04:34:41] <FrankZappa> Okay, your internet dick is not only longer, it is girthier and makes the women gasp
[04:34:56] <zeeshan|2> man i gotta stop commenting in here
[04:35:03] <zeeshan|2> and let people stick to their slow ass methods
[04:35:07] <zeeshan|2> and be less productive
[04:35:13] <zeeshan|2> and go through the headache
[04:35:36] <FrankZappa> it's none of the above
[04:35:45] <zeeshan|2> i've used alias
[04:35:50] <zeeshan|2> nurbs based bullshit
[04:35:53] <FrankZappa> What's really happening is, you're projecting.
[04:36:04] <FrankZappa> And I posted a screenshot of "this is what I made today"
[04:36:08] <FrankZappa> You can piss on it
[04:36:16] <zeeshan|2> i'm not pissing on it
[04:36:17] <FrankZappa> I'll keep drinking my Bombay, and making my money.
[04:36:19] <zeeshan|2> im suggesting a better way to make it
[04:36:31] <FrankZappa> You really aren't
[04:36:31] <zeeshan|2> its up to you to do it or not
[04:36:41] <FrankZappa> and you can't see that, because you can't grasp what I'm doing.
[04:36:52] <zeeshan|2> i know any parametric problem
[04:36:56] <zeeshan|2> doesn't matter what youre doing
[04:37:02] <zeeshan|2> is way faster using boundary layer rep
[04:37:05] <zeeshan|2> in comparison to nurbs curves.
[04:37:12] <FrankZappa> okie dokie then see answer #2, you're faster, let it go.
[04:37:24] <FrankZappa> You have all the answers and you're certain.
[04:37:31] <zeeshan|2> and at the end of the day, you can take advantage of built in features like weldments
[04:37:34] <zeeshan|2> and easily change weldments
[04:37:37] <FrankZappa> Notice you haven't asked a thing other than how long it took to make the model.
[04:37:44] <zeeshan|2> from square, round, angle , thickness etc
[04:37:57] <FrankZappa> You don't really have a clue what I'm "doing" in terms of goals.
[04:38:07] <FrankZappa> But you're so full of certainty.
[04:38:09] <zeeshan|2> FrankZappa: the reason i asked that is cause i wanted to grasp how painful that was
[04:38:11] <zeeshan|2> to make
[04:38:18] <zeeshan|2> and it sounds like it was quite painful
[04:38:18] <FrankZappa> This tells me you are likely a terrible engineer.
[04:38:31] <zeeshan|2> think what you want
[04:38:36] <zeeshan|2> enjoy!
[04:38:38] <FrankZappa> Now you're getting it.
[04:38:51] <zeeshan|2> i could care less after seeing your response on how you do it
[04:39:00] <zeeshan|2> and i bet you could care less about my suggestion
[04:39:04] <zeeshan|2> so lets end this conversation
[04:45:26] <zeeshan|2> http://www.princessauto.com/pal/en/Stainless-Steel/3-Pc-Stainless-Steel-Canister-Set/8178014.p
[04:45:31] <zeeshan|2> i wonder what kind of stainless theyre using
[04:45:33] <zeeshan|2> thats so cheap
[04:45:48] <zeeshan|2> would be nice to cut em and use the bottoms
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[04:57:22] <zeeshan|2> anyone got a cnc metal spinner? :D
[04:57:30] <zeeshan|2> http://www.google.ca/imgres?imgurl=http%3A%2F%2F1.bp.blogspot.com%2F_4nG-iaIVxU0%2FTQljxq3lqJI%2FAAAAAAAAAzs%2FqY33ww7DXzU%2Fs1600%2FP1000916.JPG&imgrefurl=http%3A%2F%2Fearlgpowell.blogspot.com%2F2010%2F12%2Fmetal-spinning-for-techshop-light.html&h=1200&w=1600&tbnid=hJp07x3oeZaVCM%3A&zoom=1&docid=53kjnxWfCwPbeM&ei=eA5rU5GpO4GOyASZgoHoAg&tbm=isch&client=firefox-a&ved=0CEsQMyhDMEM4ZA&iact=rc&uact=3&
[04:57:31] <zeeshan|2> er
[04:57:35] <zeeshan|2> http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_4nG-iaIVxU0/TQljxq3lqJI/AAAAAAAAAzs/qY33ww7DXzU/s1600/P1000916.JPG
[04:57:38] <zeeshan|2> so gorgeous
[04:58:50] <FrankZappa> giantess robot nipples
[04:59:52] <zeeshan|2> the metal spinning lathes look so expensive :{
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[05:01:33] <FrankZappa> Get the real thing.
[05:01:35] <FrankZappa> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IkFdJwW_0GI
[05:01:52] <FrankZappa> Only Lurch can fabricate your deco fume fan caps.
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[05:02:13] <zeeshan|2> thats a serious lathe
[05:02:14] <zeeshan|2> lol
[05:02:30] <FrankZappa> get with the program or go back to SOHO
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[06:49:16] <Valen00> heres a question is there a simple way to home to the index pulse on the encoder
[06:49:23] <Valen00> then do some tsting
[06:49:39] <Valen00> and see if the index pulse is now in the wrong place?
[06:50:28] <Valen00> i'm trying to see if my encoders are getting noise
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[06:52:27] <Deejay> moin
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[07:01:01] <Jymmm> hi
[07:02:18] <Deejay> huhu Jymmm :)
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[07:33:22] <eren_basturk> hi
[07:33:33] <eren_basturk> i have some problem with stepgen
[07:34:10] <eren_basturk> if it is possible could you check for my question
[07:34:12] <eren_basturk> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/machinekit/XTXhCcfuEyY
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[09:13:31] <Loetmichel> *hrhr* if you dont have a stepped drill: use the CNC... ;-) -> http://youtu.be/V6-YwG9dv7A
[09:13:43] <Loetmichel> ... and always look out for your finges ;-)
[09:13:45] <Loetmichel> +r
[09:16:46] <Loetmichel> btw: who asked yesterday if the cnc6040 is rigid ynough for aluminiium: it is ;-) (see video)
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[09:58:17] <jdh> that looks awfully fast for such a tiny mill
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[10:21:05] <Loetmichel> .2mm per step deep and outer drill 3,5mm inner drill 2,5mm with a 2mm mill bit ;)
[10:21:15] <Loetmichel> @ jdh
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[10:58:00] <eren_basturk> can I define two threads in hal file
[10:58:26] <eren_basturk> i mean that can I define servo and base thread in hal file?
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[11:15:20] <Loetmichel> hmm, can anyone see a thinking error or can i mill that mini-itx enclosure from 1,5mm aluminium sheet now? -> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=14874
[11:16:58] <jdh> still looks like it woudl tend to snap that bit moving that fast
[11:17:40] <jdh> do you get good Al sheet? Everything I have tried is gummy and doesn't cut for crap
[11:17:54] <archivist_herron> no corner tabs and screw holes
[11:17:54] <Loetmichel> i use standaed alMg3
[11:17:58] <Loetmichel> standard
[11:18:04] <Loetmichel> works like a charm
[11:18:29] <Loetmichel> dont buy in the home depot, they sell the "eanodizing" quality which is VERY gummy
[11:18:55] <Loetmichel> archivist: corners will be sealed by self adhesive copper tape
[11:20:32] <archivist_herron> so the adhesive is an insulator :)
[11:20:46] <Loetmichel> it isnt
[11:20:53] <Loetmichel> the coppertape conducs
[11:21:00] <Loetmichel> the adhesicve also ;-)=
[11:21:51] <archivist_herron> conducts to ally that has insulating oxide ?
[11:22:20] <Loetmichel> archivist: thaTS WHAT GRINDING PAPER IS FOR ,-9
[11:22:26] <Loetmichel> oh, sorry, capslock
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[11:45:51] <MrSunshine> hmm is there any nice way to check if all axis are homed in hal ?
[11:46:10] <MrSunshine> or do i need to make like two and thingies and and all the axis.n.homed together? :/
[11:46:35] <jthornton> halui
[11:46:45] <MrSunshine> what signal ? =)
[11:47:00] <MrSunshine> been looking at them and do not find anything i thoguth was good ..
[11:47:53] <MrSunshine> halui.home-all i guess is the signal starting the home sequence
[11:48:57] <jthornton> halui.joint.N.is-homed bit out status pin telling that joint N is homed
[11:49:54] <MrSunshine> yes, but i want a "all-homed" ... as if one axis is unhomed and you try and call an mdi command linuxcnc just commits suicide :P
[11:50:25] <MrSunshine> so do i need to make two and blocks and plow em all together into my own signal "all-homed" ? =)
[11:51:17] <jthornton> you could use as many and2's as needed
[11:51:37] <jthornton> but I'm sure there is a better way
[11:52:27] <MrSunshine> well i guess its realy an non issue as when i turn on the machine i home it ... and all axes are homed after that, but i hate bugs in my stuff and specialy after i found them :P
[11:53:28] <MrSunshine> got it now so i cannot call the mdi command when axis is not homed, if i home all i can call it .. (checking each individual axes if its homed) but if i unhome one, that one works (wont call mdi command) but then i try and call mdi command on other axes (that actualy is still homed) then i get "cannot issue mdi command when not homed" and then the pendant stops working :P
[11:54:11] <jthornton> either disable the homing requirement or check for all axes to be homed
[11:55:30] <MrSunshine> can yuo disable homing requirement ? (that it wont complain about not homed when not homed when issuing mdi commands?) =)
[11:56:41] <jthornton> NO_FORCE_HOMING = 1
[11:56:56] <jthornton> [TRAJ] section
[11:58:40] <jthornton> also see http://linuxcnc.org/docs/html/config/ini_homing.html#_immediate_homing
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[13:08:38] <MrSunshine> ahh i can just make myself a and3 component
[13:08:47] <MrSunshine> and use that insted of having a billion and2 =)
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[13:09:35] <archivist> could be and9 for all 9 axes and you send it in :)
[13:10:10] <MrSunshine> huh ? =)
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[13:25:42] <cpresser> MrSunshine: you can also use lut4 if you only have 3 inputs
[13:26:46] <pcw_home> lut5 I think
[13:27:45] <cpresser> almost :)
[13:28:37] <pcw_home> 0xFFFFFFFE is a 5 input OR gate
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[13:33:23] <jthornton> 0x800000 is a 3 input AND gate... I think
[13:33:31] <jthornton> I knew there was a better way
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[13:34:03] <jthornton> MrSunshine, http://linuxcnc.org/docs/html/hal/rtcomps.html#sec:lut5
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[13:34:24] <cpresser> or in the manpage: http://linuxcnc.org/docs/html/man/man9/lut5.9.html
[13:35:31] <jthornton> the manual has a bit more info
[13:45:14] <pcw_home> 0x80808080 would be a 3 input and gate
[13:45:31] <pcw_home> 0x80000000 is a 5 input and gate
[13:46:31] <jthornton> is the man page example wrong? about a 3 input and gate?
[13:46:49] <pcw_home> (3 input meaning the other inputs are dont-care)
[13:47:23] <jthornton> ah ok
[13:47:38] <jthornton> I see I picked the wrong example anyhow
[13:48:14] <pcw_home> probably though it may be a bit pedantic (though with a 5 input and gate you would need to tie the unused inputs high)
[13:49:37] <pcw_home> I guess unused inputs default to 0
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[13:54:25] <MrSunshine> oh thanks =)
[13:54:41] <MrSunshine> better to use already existing components =)
[13:56:02] <MrSunshine> oh so a 2 input and gate would just be "0x8" then ?
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[13:56:48] <pcw_home> 2 input would be 0x88888888
[13:56:57] <MrSunshine> hmm
[13:57:01] <MrSunshine> i dont understand how that is? :P
[13:57:02] <cpresser> depends on bits 4-2
[13:57:20] <cpresser> assume the are zero, then 0x8 seems correct
[13:57:57] <pcw_home> its ok for an OR gate because the default state of the other inputs is 0
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[14:01:53] <cpresser> same for an 2-bits-AND gate. when its inputs are 00011 (upper 3 bits unconnected=0) i want it to output a 1. zero otherwise
[14:02:09] <cpresser> so 0x8 should do the trick
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[14:32:11] <pcw_home> The paranoid programmer in me says 0x88888888 is safer
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[14:44:37] <skunkworks> I still don'
[14:45:02] <skunkworks> I still don't understand how lut works.. so far everytime I have needed a certain logic - someone has figured it out for me...
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[16:16:03] <Loetmichel> *grrr... sure thing: made an construction error at the enclosure. Lind as wide as body: how to put in the screw flanges? $ will make another lid in 3mm less wide tomorrwo :-(
[16:16:33] <Loetmichel> "me
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[17:10:50] <IchGuckLive> hi all B)
[17:11:33] <MrSunshine> ahh linuxcnc wiki had a script for generating the lut expressions =)
[17:11:39] <MrSunshine> using boolean expressons =)
[17:11:47] <MrSunshine> 0x80 it says my 3 input and should be
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[17:28:37] <zeeshan|2> http://www.kijiji.ca/v-business-industrial/hamilton/kurt-d688-vise/590918566?enableSearchNavigationFlag=true]
[17:28:38] <zeeshan|2> http://www.kijiji.ca/v-business-industrial/hamilton/kurt-d688-vise/590918566?enableSearchNavigationFlag=true
[17:28:40] <zeeshan|2> d688 !
[17:28:42] <zeeshan|2> :P
[17:29:26] <zeeshan|2> idiot selling for more than it costs brand new
[17:29:27] <zeeshan|2> :P
[17:36:29] <Loetmichel> zeeshan|2: every day an idiot wakes up
[17:36:36] <Loetmichel> you just have to find him ;-)
[17:36:36] <zeeshan|2> today it was me
[17:36:37] <zeeshan|2> !
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[17:48:49] <skunkworks> he has to recoup is shipping...
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[17:59:24] <MrSunshine> hmm when doing stuff in hal .. say i have a lut5 object, configured as an and ... i want axis.0.homed axis.1.homed and axis.2.homed to be input into the lut5, what would the syntax be for that ?
[17:59:47] <MrSunshine> just "net axis.0.homed <= lut5.in0" ?
[17:59:53] <zeeshan|2> skunkworks: nah
[17:59:59] <zeeshan|2> that vise goes for 580$ taxes in
[18:00:08] <zeeshan|2> at my local tool supplier
[18:00:14] <MrSunshine> or do i need to do stuff like "net homed:x => axis.0.homed <= lut5.in0" ?
[18:00:17] <zeeshan|2> m takeda and tool
[18:00:17] <zeeshan|2> :
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[18:23:42] <PCW> net curly net axis.0.homed <= lut5.0.in0
[18:23:44] <PCW> net larry net axis.1.homed <= lut5.0.in1
[18:23:45] <PCW> net moe net axis.2.homed <= lut5.0.in2
[18:24:25] <_methods> nyuck, nyuck, nyuck
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[18:24:48] <the_wench> JesusAlos: tjtr33 said "look at http://derekmolloy.ie/beaglebone/qt-with-embedded-linux-on-the-beaglebone/ for touch screen BBB i/o control"
[18:24:54] <JesusAlos> hi
[18:26:04] <JesusAlos> I'm looking for a gcode viewer
[18:26:29] <JesusAlos> Eny body know one opensource?
[18:26:59] <_methods> notepad
[18:27:05] <_methods> gedit
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[18:27:36] <JesusAlos> no. Is for see the geometry, like linuxcnc window
[18:27:52] <_methods> ahh a simulator
[18:28:30] <_methods> openscam?
[18:29:17] <_methods> i've always just used cimco but that's not open source
[18:29:22] <JesusAlos> need more simple
[18:29:35] <JesusAlos> only need see the geometry
[18:29:40] <JesusAlos> no sim
[18:29:52] <MrSunshine> PCW, i need to create signal names then ?
[18:30:02] <MrSunshine> and didnt i do it the wrong way? =)
[18:30:15] <MrSunshine> net axis.0.homed => lut5.0.in-0 right?
[18:30:16] <PCW> net creates them for you
[18:30:49] <PCW> net needs a signal name first
[18:30:51] <PCW> net signal pin pin pin ...
[18:30:55] <MrSunshine> yes, but i do not need a name on them .. i just need axis.0.homed to be "bound" into lut5.0.in-0 =)
[18:31:02] <MrSunshine> hmm ok
[18:31:15] <PCW> sorry thats how net works
[18:31:24] <MrSunshine> yeah, just so i know the syntax =)
[18:31:24] <_methods> then turn off the tool display
[18:31:25] <MrSunshine> thanks =)
[18:31:53] <MrSunshine> so "net x-homed <= axis.0.homed => lut5.0.in-0" then would be the right syntax ? =)
[18:32:02] <PCW> I think HAL should support anonymous signals but it does not currently
[18:32:29] <PCW> yes (+- the actual pin name particulars)
[18:32:54] <MrSunshine> but then how do bind "all-homed" to lut5.0.out ? =)
[18:33:03] <MrSunshine> net all-homed <= lut5.0.out ?
[18:34:05] <MrSunshine> i find the hal syntax a bit confusing ?)
[18:34:08] <MrSunshine> =)
[18:34:51] <cpresser> MrSunshine: actually, the direction of the arrows does not matter. i dont use any arrow because they only confuse me
[18:35:19] <cpresser> "net name-of-net signal1 signal2 signal3" works fine for me :)
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[18:36:55] <MrSunshine> oh
[18:37:00] <MrSunshine> so the arrows are just for not ?
[18:37:13] <PCW> just for looks
[18:37:15] <MrSunshine> but "net all-homed lut5.0.out" would bind all-homed to the output of lut5 ?
[18:38:47] <PCW> it would create the signal "all-homed" if it did not exist and connect the pin "lut5.0.out" to it
[18:40:03] <JesusAlos> http://imagebin.org/309730
[18:40:42] <JesusAlos> I looking for a pattern generator from gcode
[18:41:24] <JesusAlos> the idea is open a pice of gcode or dxf, generate patterns and create gcode
[18:41:29] <JesusAlos> exist it?
[18:41:40] <Jymmm> Do dishwashers have a heater in them?
[18:42:32] <malcom2073> Jymmm: Mine does, i think most do
[18:42:49] <Jymmm> malcom2073: Yeah, I have no clue
[18:43:04] <malcom2073> Jymmm: I've installed a couple, they've all hooked to the cold water line and had heaters
[18:43:12] <malcom2073> This is USA though, who knows about the rest of the world :)
[18:43:34] <Jymmm> malcom2073: Cool, would save me from having to come up with a heater
[18:44:05] <MrSunshine> PCW, oki hmm =)
[18:44:09] <Jymmm> malcom2073: I'm trying to clean some carboy containers
[18:44:25] <Jymmm> malcom2073: and just found a FREE one on CL =)
[18:44:39] <malcom2073> Jymmm: Nice, free is good. Have them take a pic of the inside, you'll see the heater ring if it's there
[18:45:29] <Jymmm> malcom2073: Yeah. I just have to make sure it's TALL enough
[18:45:47] <malcom2073> Jymmm: wtf are you trying to clean?
[18:46:17] <Jymmm> malcom2073: http://products.hedwin.com/Asset/Winpak-Rectangle-Tight-Head.jpg
[18:46:26] <malcom2073> Jymmm: aahhh heh
[18:46:41] <malcom2073> Too dirty for soap and water?
[18:46:54] <malcom2073> ohh! Find a friend with a steam shark
[18:46:58] <Jymmm> malcom2073: Just replumb the bottom jets into a tube that the carboy fits over
[18:47:01] <malcom2073> power washer, with super hot water!
[18:47:07] <malcom2073> Jymmm: that works too
[18:47:21] <Jymmm> malcom2073: the problem is the waste of water
[18:48:11] <malcom2073> Jymmm: Could recycle it and reuse it to wash several times, most dishwashers don't have a pump to bring water in though, and rely on water pressure to push water into them, then use a pump to recirculate
[18:48:12] <Jymmm> these had syrup in them, they REALLY need to hit like three cycles
[18:48:41] <malcom2073> ahh
[18:48:47] <Jymmm> Um, I thought most actually recycle the water, that's how they get it hot
[18:49:12] <malcom2073> They do, but after each load it gets dumped
[18:49:19] <malcom2073> i'll bet you could disable the dump mechanism, to just reuse
[18:49:43] <Jymmm> Yeah, then once it gets too ugly, just cycle it out
[18:50:54] <cpresser> industrial dish-washers do reuse water
[18:51:08] <cpresser> the ones you have in large kitchens/restaurants
[18:51:09] <Jymmm> I've must have dumped 30-40 gallons, and because it's got soap stuffs, can't just water the plants with it
[18:51:35] <Jymmm> cpresser: I think home ones too, just the reservoir in the bottom
[18:51:44] <Jymmm> per load that is
[18:52:02] <cpresser> i was taking inbetween loads
[18:52:04] <Jymmm> I'll just stop it before the rinse cycle
[18:52:11] <cpresser> http://www.gastro-kuechen-technik.de/images/product_images/popup_images/242_0.png
[18:52:15] <Jymmm> cpresser: I understand =)
[18:52:46] <cpresser> i havent seen home-ones that do recycle between loads. yet.
[18:53:06] <Jymmm> cpresser: I wouldn't want a home one to do that =)
[18:53:33] <cpresser> the one in the picture is really fast. they only need ~2mins for one load. however, to power them up, it takes 15min (preheat the water)
[18:53:35] <Jymmm> I just need to spray on the instead of the jugs for a few cycles
[18:53:58] <Jymmm> cpresser: I've actually used that one before =)
[18:55:52] <Jymmm> cpresser: many moons ago =)
[18:57:23] <skunkworks> pcw, got it :)
[18:57:53] <PCW> good (well slow but good its there)
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[18:59:29] <skunkworks> Mmmm smell of new electronics..
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[19:01:21] <new7i76spinout> hoping for some help with a 7i76 mesa card - anyone available?
[19:01:26] <Jymmm> skunkworks: no magic smoke?
[19:01:32] <new7i76spinout> nothing yet
[19:01:33] <skunkworks> not yet
[19:01:39] <Jymmm> heh
[19:02:28] <FrankZappa> add an optoisolator
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[19:02:52] <skunkworks> I have yet to nuke a printer port.. (no opto-isolators)
[19:03:06] <skunkworks> but most drives we use have isolators on the input...
[19:04:19] <FrankZappa> they're just the magic beans of the signal world
[19:05:42] <JesusAlos> gn8
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[19:31:42] <zeeshan|2> http://www.kijiji.ca/v-laptops/hamilton/15-hp-envy-less-than-one-month-old/586758095?enableSearchNavigationFlag=true
[19:31:45] <zeeshan|2> what do you guys think of this laptop?
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[19:34:12] <SpeedEvil> I don't like the colour.
[19:34:17] <zeeshan|2> me either
[19:34:20] <zeeshan|2> need it for cad
[19:34:28] <zeeshan|2> i hate laptops
[19:34:33] <zeeshan|2> but ill be moving around a lot =/
[19:34:57] <skunkworks> 4th gen i7...
[19:35:04] <zeeshan|2> is that bad
[19:35:05] <zeeshan|2> or good
[19:35:13] <skunkworks> nice
[19:35:53] <skunkworks> I have a firstgen i7 in my laptop (dell xps) and have really liked it
[19:39:03] <Loetmichel> SpeedEvil: you are also one of the "a laptop can have any color as long as its flat black rubber"?
[19:39:04] <Loetmichel> ;-)
[19:40:07] <SpeedEvil> I really want an x60s with a 2048*1536 or so display, a modern processor, and that's about it.
[19:41:07] <Loetmichel> hrhr
[19:41:11] <Loetmichel> i can relate there
[19:41:47] <Loetmichel> i have a t61p on the bathtub and a x60s to tinker with on the electronics desk
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[19:53:43] <skunkworks> I really like my 1080 display on my laptop.. I wouldn't want anything less
[19:54:19] <skunkworks> *15.something display
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[20:08:11] <Jymmm> Dollar Tree has some Scotch (brand) 2pk stainless steel scrubbies... great for soldering
[20:10:16] <_methods> for soldering?
[20:10:55] <SpeedEvil> presumably Jymmm means to keep your tip clean
[20:11:05] <Jymmm> yep
[20:11:06] <_methods> ah i get teh copper pan cleaner ones
[20:11:32] <_methods> work better than the ones the come with the cleaner thing
[20:12:08] <Jymmm> the solder falls off these
[20:14:04] <Jymmm> 50¢ beats $10 https://www.sparkfun.com/products/8965
[20:17:07] <_methods> that's damn funny i never knew what that stupid bar was for
[20:17:19] <_methods> you're supposed to set your iron on that lol
[20:17:24] <Jymmm> heh
[20:17:45] <Tom_itx> it's an ash tray
[20:17:52] <_methods> oh you've seen mine
[20:18:40] <Jymmm> heh
[20:20:05] <Jymmm> I just pick these up when on sale for $16 http://www.frys.com/product/4825190?site=sr:SEARCH:MAIN_RSLT_PG
[20:20:21] <Jymmm> has stand, adjustable, and grounded
[20:20:38] <Jymmm> when the tip goes bad, just buy a whole new one.
[20:21:03] <Jymmm> new iron, not new tip =)
[20:21:47] <_methods> i got one of these
[20:21:49] <_methods> http://www.mikrocontroller.net/attachment/139727/AD2000-Station.jpg
[20:22:11] <_methods> love that thing
[20:22:21] <Jymmm> heh
[20:22:21] <_methods> soon as i pick it up its at temp
[20:22:46] <_methods> i can turn it on pick up the pen and solder
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[20:23:25] <Tom_itx> i've never had a tip go bad on my weller
[20:23:42] <Tom_itx> i got some spares but it's only because i lost one once
[20:23:49] <Tom_itx> and for different temps
[20:23:54] <_methods> as long as you take care of your tip it should last forever
[20:24:02] <_methods> unless you're doing production soldering
[20:24:17] <_methods> just home use
[20:24:25] <Tom_itx> i've soldered several hundred boards with it
[20:24:40] <Jymmm> I dont sodler enough to justify a nice station
[20:24:50] <Tom_itx> mine is average
[20:24:54] <Tom_itx> but not RS cheap crap
[20:25:04] <Jymmm> Mines $20
[20:25:04] <Tom_itx> i burned 2 of those out in a week
[20:25:27] <_methods> it's so much easier to solder with a good station
[20:25:30] <_methods> it's like any other tool
[20:25:36] <_methods> cheap shit works.......
[20:25:38] <_methods> but
[20:25:41] <_methods> you know
[20:25:43] <Tom_itx> i finally just made a toaster oven for smt stuff
[20:27:04] <Tom_itx> http://tom-itx.dyndns.org:81/~webpage/toaster_oven/toaster_oven_index.php
[20:27:48] <_methods> yeah that's on my to do list of projects
[20:28:13] <_methods> linkage appears busted
[20:28:17] <Tom_itx> i insulated it so the temp comes up quicker and is more stable
[20:28:34] <Tom_itx> dyndns is dropping me, it may be dead now
[20:28:49] <malcom2073> I bought a nice weller, it was well worth it since I had to build a couple circuit boards. Made soldering so much easier than the RS one
[20:29:06] <Tom_itx> http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/toaster_oven/toaster_oven_index.php
[20:29:09] <Tom_itx> that should work
[20:29:25] <malcom2073> Nice Tom_itx
[20:29:53] <Tom_itx> my weller is a WTCPT
[20:30:01] <Tom_itx> old but works good
[20:30:40] <Tom_itx> and this so i can see what i'm doing: http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/scope/scope1.jpg
[20:31:13] <malcom2073> Nice! That looks like the kind my father has (which I occasionally borrow for fine pitch sodlering)
[20:31:24] <Tom_itx> 7-45 zoom
[20:32:14] <_methods> ah nice whered you get teh scope?
[20:32:35] <Tom_itx> ebay but it's an AM-SCOPE
[20:33:23] <Tom_itx> you definitely want a zoom scope for soldering
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[20:34:20] <Tom_itx> i put a clear filter on the bottom to keep the smoke etc outta the lens
[20:34:25] <Tom_itx> easy to take off and clean
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[20:57:14] <Deejay> gn8
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[21:17:25] <Jymmm> Be careful what/where you trek... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cellulitis
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[21:34:14] <SpeedEvil> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ulblySFElo4 - how low can you go
[21:35:06] <SpeedEvil> Does it count as CNC if you have a dot-dot list of cutting directions from a computer?
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[21:39:57] <Jymmm> SpeedEvil: the link... nice!!!
[21:40:33] <Jymmm> jepler: You might link that... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ulblySFElo4
[21:40:39] <Jymmm> jepler: like*
[21:40:48] <toastyde2th> SpeedEvil, they used to make cams that way
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[21:49:11] <Jymmm> YEOW https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bctz8ODrJf4
[21:51:50] <Connor> Jymmm: YEOW what ?
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[21:54:16] <_methods> hah scored this bad boy for $100
[21:54:19] <_methods> https://www.dropbox.com/s/sh453l36r3e5vb2/2014-05-08%2017.52.02.jpg
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[21:58:19] <Jymmm> Connor: Impressive on the ingenuity of the things he came up with to make the pallet pals
[21:59:57] <Connor> Yea. I see after watching the whole thing.
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[22:16:30] <FungiFox> im new to CNC, but i decided what better way to spend my tax refund.
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[22:18:44] <zeehero> Hey I finally beat my way into the freenode channel through brute force efforts (couldn't remember name)
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[22:25:19] <Jymmm> hi andypugh
[22:25:29] <andypugh> Hi
[22:26:07] <SpeedEvil> Jymmm: yeah - stupid tools that could be made 100 years ago ++
[22:26:22] <Jymmm> SpeedEvil: =)
[22:26:53] <Jymmm> Oh, Andy might like that...
[22:27:09] <Jymmm> andypugh: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bctz8ODrJf4
[22:27:22] <SpeedEvil> I want one to help to remove my floor and keep it somewhat intact
[22:28:27] <SpeedEvil> That is a very inexpensive 'horizontal boring machine'
[22:28:44] <andypugh> What is?
[22:28:57] <SpeedEvil> The drill press on its side
[22:29:27] <Jymmm> andypugh: you have to watch that video to follow the conversation =)
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