#linuxcnc | Logs for 2014-05-06

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[01:46:19] <XXCoder> wow quiey
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[01:54:10] <zmi> hello, I have a problem when I try to install linuxcnc, I have imagen iso, the md5 is the same, verificaty with md5 in my debian and the terminal, when I go to reboot I can read, failed reboot, i dont know how to do it, who can help me?
[01:56:43] <CaptHindsight> zmi: does the installer complete?
[01:57:52] <zmi> I have donwload imagen iso and burn on dvd
[01:58:55] <CaptHindsight> http://www.linuxcnc.org/iso/ubuntu-10.04-linuxcnc3-i386.iso this one?
[01:59:12] <zmi> yes the same
[01:59:30] <CaptHindsight> can you run the dvd?
[01:59:42] <CaptHindsight> can you boot from the dvd?
[01:59:56] <witnit> Can someone set me up with an example halfile using the 7i33?
[02:00:17] <zmi> four time
[02:00:38] <zmi> dvd not working
[02:00:39] <CaptHindsight> four times, what exactly?
[02:01:05] <CaptHindsight> so it doesn't boot from the dvd?
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[02:01:14] <zmi> dvd record 4 times and did not work
[02:01:35] <CaptHindsight> what didn't work? what's the error?
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[02:01:49] <zmi> when i try to do that says Failed
[02:01:59] <witnit> do what?
[02:02:07] <witnit> boot?
[02:02:25] <zmi> when I reboot the disk is not working
[02:02:29] <witnit> Certainly you have tried to boot this on more than one computer?
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[02:02:53] <witnit> And of course your bios setting are adjusted to boot to cdrom first?
[02:02:57] <zmi> yes the dvd no working
[02:03:10] <zmi> yes
[02:03:16] <CaptHindsight> zmi: does the dvd work on a different computer?
[02:03:34] <CaptHindsight> I just installed it twice today on 2 different computers
[02:03:38] <witnit> does it try to boot or does it just skip to the hard drive immediatly
[02:03:46] <zmi> CaptHindsight yes but not working
[02:04:25] <CaptHindsight> ^^ please answer the last question
[02:05:02] <zmi> in other computer not working
[02:05:32] <CaptHindsight> sounds like a bad burner
[02:05:48] <witnit> what do you mean "not working" does it show any signs of the boot menu for the dvd? or does it boot directly to hdd
[02:05:52] <zmi> but burn in slow spped
[02:05:55] <zmi> speed
[02:06:32] <zmi> I was in BIOS put dvd
[02:06:53] <witnit> ok....
[02:07:14] <witnit> but when the computer starts up does the cd drive activate and give a menu or does it boot directly to the hdd?
[02:07:26] <zmi> capthindsight ye sorry i have try several time today and yesterday
[02:07:45] <CaptHindsight> heh, why won't you answer his question?
[02:08:05] <zmi> sorry i cant speak much english
[02:08:18] <zmi> i can spanish well
[02:08:42] <zmi> its a little difficult
[02:08:45] <witnit> ok
[02:09:07] <CaptHindsight> cuando se inicia el equipo no activar la unidad de cd y darle un menú o se arranca directamente en el HDD?
[02:09:43] <zmi> no activa, yo cambio la configuracion en BIOS
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[02:10:14] <CaptHindsight> "not active, change the settings in BIOS"
[02:10:47] <witnit> right hes saying he changed the setting but it still skips the drive
[02:10:59] <witnit> do other boot cds work?
[02:11:09] <zmi> yo cambie en BIOS, pero dice, FAILED
[02:11:29] <zmi> yes with other cd working well
[02:11:49] <witnit> still sounds like a bad burn to me
[02:12:03] <XXCoder> or maybe just forgot to finalize cd
[02:12:03] <zmi> i have burn 4 times
[02:12:20] <witnit> files appear on disk?
[02:12:24] <CaptHindsight> if the image passes the checksum then it's a bad burner
[02:12:25] <zmi> my computer has Linux Mint Debian
[02:12:51] <witnit> k3b burning
[02:12:58] <CaptHindsight> have you tried burning with verify on?
[02:13:27] <zmi> i use brasero for burn
[02:13:43] <witnit> shouldnt relaly matter
[02:13:56] <witnit> really*
[02:14:13] <CaptHindsight> does it verify after copying/burning?
[02:14:16] <zmi> i dont know what to do i have a week in this
[02:14:23] <witnit> Boot to USB?
[02:14:33] <zmi> just dvd and cd
[02:15:16] <witnit> I never have problem
[02:15:18] <zmi> yes i have verify after burn all files is there
[02:15:18] <witnit> I dont know.
[02:15:35] <witnit> I think he is doing things correct
[02:15:37] <zmi> what do you recommend me
[02:15:56] <witnit> you can install RT operating system then install linuxcnc from scratch
[02:16:18] <CaptHindsight> nah install 12.04 then the kernel then the packages
[02:16:25] <zmi> sorry i dont know about that
[02:16:32] <CaptHindsight> did that 6-7 times in the past 2 days
[02:16:59] <CaptHindsight> http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?LinuxCNC_On_Ubuntu_Precise
[02:17:01] <witnit> you could ssh and have him goin in 12 minuts :P
[02:17:53] <CaptHindsight> installed 10.04, upgraded to 12.04, installed 12.04 and 14.03 and Linux debian cinnamin
[02:18:04] <CaptHindsight> 14.04
[02:18:31] <zmi> ok let me a minute please
[02:18:35] <witnit> you like cinni?
[02:18:47] <CaptHindsight> just played for a few minutes
[02:19:16] <CaptHindsight> anythuing is better that unity or stock gnome 3
[02:19:18] <witnit> Im looking forward to learning how to use the akonadi mysql business
[02:19:21] <zmi> really Im new with linux just two mouth
[02:19:48] <witnit> zmi :) be patient
[02:19:56] <CaptHindsight> playing with camunits today
[02:20:07] <CaptHindsight> not sure if it's worth it
[02:20:24] <CaptHindsight> hasn't been updated since 2010-11
[02:20:46] <Noxz> any suggestions for a router that can mill a Nickel Alloy? I am sure I can get away with aluminum for now , but curious
[02:21:05] <CaptHindsight> just a framework for OpenGL, GLib, libjpeg, opencv etc
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[02:21:36] <CaptHindsight> https://code.google.com/p/camunits/
[02:21:51] <zmi> http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?LinuxCNC_On_Ubuntu_Precise ----------------- very difficult to me to do that, is there other way?
[02:22:16] <XXCoder> if it works why push os to modern version?
[02:24:52] <witnit> dvd-r or cd-r?
[02:25:15] <zmi> dvd -r and cd -r
[02:25:18] <CaptHindsight> XXCoder: ?
[02:25:40] <XXCoder> I just was wondering why keep os updated if its just to run some cnc macine
[02:25:45] <CaptHindsight> why the 12.04 or 14.04?
[02:26:00] <XXCoder> yeah
[02:26:34] <CaptHindsight> ahh I'm developing new apps that work with Linuxcnc and also new hardware
[02:26:46] <CaptHindsight> new hardware needs newer kernels
[02:26:57] <XXCoder> hmm makes sense.
[02:27:08] <CaptHindsight> newer kernels don't always work on older distros
[02:27:17] <CaptHindsight> also for the long term support
[02:27:43] <zmi> mint is old version for linuxcnc?
[02:27:46] <XXCoder> I was wondering if it was possible to seperate linuxcnc from ubuntu
[02:27:57] <witnit> zmi If you have already installed Ubuntu 10.04 "Lucid Lynx", you can install LinuxCNC without reinstalling your whole system. Simply download and run the installation script: http://linuxcnc.org/install-scripts/lucid/linuxcnc-install.sh
[02:27:59] <XXCoder> make it into package
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[02:28:25] <CaptHindsight> the old 10.04 install has the old 2,6 kernel that won't work with the new GPU drivers in the E350M1
[02:28:39] <CaptHindsight> XXCoder: it already is
[02:28:47] <XXCoder> oh
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[02:30:14] <CaptHindsight> you can just install the repos and then install the packages
[02:30:15] <zmi> I dont have ubuntu in my computer
[02:30:43] <CaptHindsight> XXCoder: for example http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?LinuxCNC_On_Ubuntu_Precise
[02:31:10] <XXCoder> interesting. ok
[02:31:32] <CaptHindsight> we also use it with gentoo
[02:31:39] <XXCoder> oh talking about cnc - I saw huge cargo box of scrap wood at work, plan to ask if I could grab some :D
[02:31:48] <zmi> capthindsight i must install ubuntu firts? is better?
[02:31:49] <XXCoder> lots of wood to run tests and build cnc with
[02:34:38] <CaptHindsight> zmi: try to download and burn the Ubuntu dvd, then boot from that, see if you get that far
[02:35:06] <CaptHindsight> the manual install is pretty easy
[02:35:27] <zmi> ok
[02:35:29] <CaptHindsight> the updates take the longest, depending on your connection speed
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[02:36:41] <CaptHindsight> I'm actually installing it right now in virtualbox
[02:36:57] <XXCoder> using virtual cnc with it? ;)
[02:37:34] <CaptHindsight> just for reference and testing machine vision before I go to a live machine
[02:38:01] <CaptHindsight> latency jitter in virtualbox is like 3459863489950^77
[02:38:50] <humble_sea_bass> so you're saying it is a "buy"
[02:41:30] <zmi> must I install virtualbox?
[02:41:46] <CaptHindsight> zmi: no, just follow the guide
[02:42:01] <CaptHindsight> http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?LinuxCNC_On_Ubuntu_Precise
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[02:42:30] <CaptHindsight> at step #9 choose 3. deb http://buildbot.linuxcnc.org precise v2.5_branch-rt
[02:43:51] <zmi> http://buildbot.linuxcnc.org/
[02:44:11] <CaptHindsight> zmi: we are just wondering if you'll make it to Step #1
[02:44:33] <CaptHindsight> you seem to have some burning and or booting issues from dvd
[02:46:01] <zeeshan> http://imgur.com/a/LvHYf
[02:46:04] <zeeshan> wooho motor mount almost done
[02:47:05] <jdh> about damned time.
[02:47:15] <zeeshan> haha
[02:47:27] <zeeshan> i love making stuff out of steel
[02:47:32] <zeeshan> its heavy and bulky!
[02:47:38] <jdh> and messy
[02:47:41] <zeeshan> =P
[02:47:44] <jdh> and painful
[02:47:52] <zmi> thanks all you for help i try to do tomorrow very slow this connection speed and very tired for that
[02:48:09] <zeeshan> i wish i had my lathe functional
[02:48:11] <zeeshan> i need to make spacers
[02:48:14] <zeeshan> =/
[02:48:25] <jdh> that's why you need a 7x under the counter
[02:48:28] <CaptHindsight> is that a tree growing up right through the workbench behind the vise?
[02:48:39] <zeeshan> haha CaptHindsight
[02:48:46] <zeeshan> no thats my downpipe for the car
[02:48:47] <zeeshan> =D
[02:48:53] <CaptHindsight> jumanji
[02:48:58] <zeeshan> best movie
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[02:50:33] <zeeshan> on nema 34 motors
[02:50:40] <zeeshan> its a m5x.8 bolt youre supposed to be using right?
[02:50:53] <zeeshan> i determined that by measuring the holes.. they were 5.7~mm
[02:52:41] <CaptHindsight> #12 machine screw
[02:53:10] <zeeshan> bah
[02:53:58] <CaptHindsight> http://www.boltdepot.com/fastener-information/Machine-Screws/Machine-Screw-Diameter.aspx?nv=res
[02:54:08] <jdh> change the name to a nema86.36 then
[02:54:16] <CaptHindsight> 5.7mm = 0.224 in
[02:54:24] <CaptHindsight> heh
[02:54:31] <zeeshan> hm
[02:54:36] <zeeshan> i drilled 5/32 hole
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[02:54:50] <zeeshan> i can still either do 10-32 or 12
[02:54:51] <CaptHindsight> #8
[02:54:58] <zeeshan> by drilling a bit biger
[02:55:22] <CaptHindsight> if you weld them suckers on they never come lose
[02:55:26] <jdh> heh
[02:55:28] <CaptHindsight> loose
[02:55:39] <zeeshan> loctite!
[02:55:51] <zeeshan> this works
[02:55:53] <jdh> I use #10 for through bolts on mine. Or tap the hole for 1/4-20 if bolting to it.
[02:55:55] <zeeshan> cause i dont havbe a m5x.8mm tap
[02:56:03] <zeeshan> broke it a while back
[02:56:06] <zeeshan> only got m5x.9
[02:56:12] <zeeshan> which will be a p[ain in the ass to find bolts for
[02:56:21] <zeeshan> #10 #12 i got at home
[02:56:26] <CaptHindsight> just avoid using bent over nails with wood blocks
[02:56:31] <zeeshan> haha
[02:56:32] <zeeshan> wtf!
[02:56:35] <zeeshan> who does that
[02:56:44] <CaptHindsight> did you see that pipe cnc video?
[02:57:02] <CaptHindsight> it was artwork
[02:57:27] <zeeshan> the cnc thats made out of plastic and cast iron pipe?
[02:57:28] <zeeshan> haha
[02:57:33] <zeeshan> yea i've seen it
[02:57:37] <CaptHindsight> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8PSG2al1Sus
[02:57:47] <CaptHindsight> fills an entire room
[02:58:43] <CaptHindsight> he should make displays for malls
[02:58:49] <XXCoder> holy shit
[02:58:56] <XXCoder> CaptHindsight: and make it pay to make
[02:59:00] <zeeshan> oh that
[02:59:02] <zeeshan> ive never seen that
[02:59:02] <zeeshan> hah
[02:59:23] <CaptHindsight> I still can't believe it
[02:59:31] <XXCoder> pumbler nightmare cnc
[02:59:32] <zeeshan> frankenstein
[02:59:35] <XXCoder> I'll call it that
[03:00:06] <zeeshan> i dont think thats a cnc
[03:00:09] <zeeshan> thats his sex toy
[03:00:14] <XXCoder> cnc sewx toy then
[03:00:20] <XXCoder> its still computer number control
[03:01:43] <XXCoder> oh finally it shows stock being cut
[03:01:53] <XXCoder> I think
[03:02:38] <XXCoder> I reached my freehand camera video limit
[03:02:39] <CaptHindsight> if it used 2" XXS vs the 1/2" galvanized for the linear bearings it would flop around as much, but it's really somethin isn't it!
[03:02:44] <XXCoder> passed it a bit actuall
[03:04:06] <XXCoder> my fucked up brain.
[03:04:24] <CaptHindsight> 2" XXS supported on 6' I beams or tube
[03:05:12] <CaptHindsight> 8' span with pipe, I love it
[03:05:39] <XXCoder> I cant hear what was spoken but what was that pumpbler nightmare cnc work space is?
[03:05:56] <XXCoder> would be fucking funny if it was only 1'x1'x1" or something
[03:07:30] <CaptHindsight> 4 ft x 8 ft
[03:07:37] <XXCoder> nice
[03:07:43] <XXCoder> large enough to use whole sheet
[03:07:54] <CaptHindsight> of whipped cream
[03:08:06] <CaptHindsight> too flexy for cheese
[03:08:20] <CaptHindsight> well maybe cheese spread
[03:08:22] <XXCoder> onder what its accuracy is
[03:08:26] <XXCoder> or precision
[03:08:52] <CaptHindsight> +/- few inches at best
[03:09:30] <XXCoder> that bad hmm I was thinking whole cm
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[03:09:56] <CaptHindsight> it flexes at it moves with no cutting
[03:10:06] <XXCoder> there is that
[03:15:01] <XXCoder> awesome http://sploid.gizmodo.com/simulation-of-saturn-passing-by-earth-on-a-collision-co-1571745614
[03:15:18] <XXCoder> of course we'd be all dead but what a show meanwhile lol
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[03:27:27] <zeeshan> son of a !
[03:27:35] <zeeshan> i tapped the holes to 10-32
[03:27:47] <zeeshan> then realized i dont have a bolt long enough
[03:27:47] <zeeshan> lol
[03:28:30] <CaptHindsight> to the hardware store!
[03:29:04] <zeeshan> its 11:30 pm :{
[03:29:15] <zeeshan> no idea where i could buy 10-32 socket head cap screws at this time of the night
[03:29:26] <XXCoder> lathe one? ;)
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[03:29:31] <zeeshan> lathe is out of service
[03:29:32] <zeeshan> haha
[03:29:42] <XXCoder> bit of a irony there.
[03:29:54] <zeeshan> i wouldnt make bolts this small
[03:29:57] <zeeshan> they'd strip too easy
[03:30:15] <zeeshan> i want some grade 8 bolts :D
[03:31:55] <XXCoder> thought they go 1-5
[03:32:01] <zeeshan> wut
[03:32:04] <XXCoder> 1 as cheapo and 5 as airplane tight
[03:34:40] <CaptHindsight> are you thinking of the number of lines in the head?
[03:34:51] <XXCoder> hmm
[03:35:21] <XXCoder> grade is thickness not guality of fit right>?
[03:36:18] <CaptHindsight> http://www.dippy.org/svcman/image/--09.jpg
[03:36:30] <CaptHindsight> hardness and temper
[03:36:40] <XXCoder> oh
[03:36:44] <XXCoder> guiess I was wrong then
[03:37:01] <CaptHindsight> http://www.engineeringtoolbox.com/steel-bolts-sae-grades-d_1426.html
[03:37:03] <zeeshan> XXCoder: grade 8 refers to the proof strength of the bolt
[03:37:41] <XXCoder> ok
[03:45:10] <somenewguy_shp> 1 mark is grade rubber, 3 lines is grade 5, 6 is grade 8 which is strongest common grade
[03:45:19] <somenewguy_shp> actually im not sure if the lowest grade is 1 mark or 0
[03:45:36] <XXCoder> theres unoffical no mark anyway
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[03:45:41] <XXCoder> those are crappy
[03:45:43] <somenewguy_shp> metric 10.8 is comparable (slightly stronger) than grade 8 for reference
[03:46:06] <somenewguy_shp> and yeah the grades are just defined properties, so strength and hardness or some such
[03:46:14] <somenewguy_shp> higher is stronger in both systems
[03:46:30] <somenewguy_shp> ughhhhh I hate stainless for the record. this is the LAST time I offer to machine something up for my dad
[03:46:35] <somenewguy_shp> its always SS with him
[03:46:49] <XXCoder> that could sound really bad out of context
[03:46:52] <somenewguy_shp> hes paying for hte next damn endmill. I thought I finally had it w/ my lttle altin coated bit
[03:47:20] <somenewguy_shp> heh
[03:47:28] <Snuggy> LOL @ dad comment...Dad's jobs somehow always wind up being a major pain
[03:47:41] <Snuggy> You're not the only one
[03:48:06] <somenewguy_shp> doens't help that he REFUSES to spec what he wants on paper, its verbally and without confirming what I jot down
[03:48:14] <somenewguy_shp> gives him an out when what he asked for doesn't match what he wanted
[03:48:21] <somenewguy_shp> he thinks its subtle...
[03:48:25] <XXCoder> well
[03:48:34] <XXCoder> in leasts your dad is alive lol
[03:48:47] <XXCoder> my dad died bit over decade ago. by old age
[03:48:51] <Snuggy> There's no 'fudge factor' in CNC...
[03:49:16] <XXCoder> theres always fudge factor till your precision is based on atoms.,
[03:49:38] <somenewguy_shp> you still owe him projects tho? cause I think that is where we are headed here
[03:49:59] <somenewguy_shp> he asked me today if I had a tool I could use to "cut the brackets you made me a little bigger"
[03:50:25] <Snuggy> Yeah...right next to the 'board stretcher'
[03:50:35] <somenewguy_shp> note that he used to be an engineer, and prior to that ran his own contracting company where he did most of the labor, so he's not an idiot
[03:50:43] <somenewguy_shp> but when specing out jobs, mand does he try hard to sound like one
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[03:51:02] <somenewguy_shp> "so do you mean weld it up and trim it back to size? cause that would take hours" "yeah can you do that?"
[03:51:07] <Snuggy> What kind of mill are you running? I've got a BOSS 5
[03:51:19] <XXCoder> somenew, research shows that most often accessed words in brain tend to be "erased"
[03:51:32] <somenewguy_shp> meanwhile this is knocking parts off the table for my car which has been in pieces for a few weeks now...
[03:51:35] <XXCoder> I'm starting to get there, some common words I sometimes cant recall for a minute
[03:51:55] <somenewguy_shp> heh, its an unfortunate symptom of not getting killed off early
[03:52:06] <XXCoder> yeah I blame lack of tigers
[03:52:08] <somenewguy_shp> you just live long enough to embaress yourself, its murphys law of longevity
[03:52:12] <XXCoder> and lion
[03:52:32] <somenewguy_shp> I'm running a tiny taig Snuggy
[03:53:27] <Snuggy> I've got "MachDonalds" running it now (I hate it)...so I'm getting into the Linux stuff now
[03:54:17] <somenewguy_shp> linux saved my mill, the mach and windows combination was inifinite headache, and I bought my mill w/ a working and configured computer included in the deal
[03:54:22] <Snuggy> I've also got a Syil C6 CNC Lathe I want to setup under LCNC - again - hate Mach...
[03:54:38] <somenewguy_shp> well its worth every second then
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[03:55:30] <Snuggy> I'm waiting on a Mesa plug-n-go 5i25/7i76 to come so I can wire it up. Looks like Thurs this week...
[03:55:56] <Snuggy> I'll do the lathe first. Then the mill
[03:57:27] <somenewguy_shp> cool, im torn on which to get first when i have the space, a full size mill or a lathe
[03:57:38] <somenewguy_shp> and then i get to splurge on real controls etc
[03:58:25] <XXCoder> first, buy me a cnc
[03:58:29] <XXCoder> then mill
[03:58:46] <Snuggy> Yeah...tough call. The mill is probably more useful for day to day, although a CNC router is pretty versatile too
[03:59:19] <Snuggy> You can machine non-ferrous on any decent CNC router
[03:59:47] <somenewguy_shp> yeah, and I feel like I could get a router to pay for itself a bit faster (custom signage etc)
[03:59:48] <Snuggy> You aren't going to do cylinder heads with it...but you can certainly do lots of other useful things
[04:00:14] <somenewguy_shp> I am onyl a hobbiest, but I love real tools, and if I can make it payfor itself I always get the nicer toys
[04:00:29] <XXCoder> new, thats what I hope lol
[04:00:32] <Snuggy> Yeah, it's probably the fastest way to get a ROI with the least amount of experience or investment
[04:00:40] <XXCoder> make small products till I reach around ~$2000
[04:00:42] <XXCoder> then new cnc
[04:00:48] <XXCoder> 8020 one.
[04:00:54] <somenewguy_shp> huh?
[04:01:07] <XXCoder> a new cnc that uses 8020 beams
[04:01:12] <XXCoder> much stronger
[04:02:02] <Snuggy> Try to find a CNC router made out of steel - like an older ShopBot or even a Mechmate (Shopbot copy from 1998 style)
[04:02:28] <XXCoder> nah I want challenge of building it
[04:02:31] <zeeshan> cncs are a poor investment
[04:02:31] <zeeshan> lol
[04:02:33] <Snuggy> The AL extrusions aren't all that strong compared to steel...they deflect
[04:02:37] <XXCoder> zeeshan: of course.
[04:02:41] <zeeshan> doing machine work for a living really sux
[04:02:46] <zeeshan> :P
[04:03:05] <zeeshan> hobby, side business
[04:03:08] <zeeshan> i think its pretty decent
[04:03:09] <XXCoder> zee I just want to have fun and make side money once a while
[04:03:21] <XXCoder> same with my current side business lol
[04:03:22] <somenewguy_shp> I just need my tools to not cost me money
[04:03:32] <XXCoder> it just paid for half of rail system I recently bought
[04:03:34] <Snuggy> So does working for someone else...I'd take machining in my own shop over that
[04:03:35] <zeeshan> i was making these production parts for rx7s
[04:03:39] <zeeshan> about 1000 of em
[04:03:49] <zeeshan> welded for 16 hours straight everyday for 2 weeks
[04:03:53] <zeeshan> hated my life
[04:03:55] <zeeshan> :D
[04:04:00] <somenewguy_shp> my TIG still has yet to earn its price back, but my tubing bender paid for itself it two months worth of weekends
[04:04:04] <XXCoder> zee better that than my current training job. I seal airplane clamps.
[04:04:11] <zeeshan> another 2 weeks of lathe machining and threading
[04:04:16] <XXCoder> nothing but clamps or parts for it. all da,.
[04:04:30] <zeeshan> my tig paid for itself within 2 months of owning it
[04:04:31] <zeeshan> :P
[04:04:36] <XXCoder> nice
[04:04:46] <zeeshan> 10 years ago!
[04:04:50] <XXCoder> I doubt my cnc roi would be that high
[04:04:57] <zeeshan> yea its not
[04:04:59] <somenewguy_shp> although its hard to blame the tig, could have more to do w/ the fact I hardly know which end of the torch to hold lol
[04:05:05] <zeeshan> the reality is, people dont wanna pay money..
[04:05:13] <somenewguy_shp> ^fact
[04:05:17] <zeeshan> and the big boys go to the big boys
[04:05:28] <zeeshan> the only real way i suggest to make moeny is
[04:05:31] <somenewguy_shp> esp the antique VW crowd are a buch of cheap bastids (my crouw)
[04:05:33] <somenewguy_shp> crowd
[04:05:36] <zeeshan> get into a circle of people with the same thing
[04:05:37] <XXCoder> yay my oh shit button and limit switches and cable just shipped
[04:05:47] <zeeshan> like some people build mini jet turbine parts, or quad copter parts
[04:05:49] <zeeshan> or camera mounts
[04:05:54] <zeeshan> but they're on the same forums as those people
[04:05:59] <zeeshan> i usually do car parts
[04:06:01] <Snuggy> Nah...I've done work for Disney, major colleges, the US Govt...I'm just a one man shop - but I am excellent at what I do.
[04:06:10] <Snuggy> If you want something bad enough you go get it
[04:06:27] <WalterN> nitch market :3
[04:07:01] <Snuggy> You can't defeat yourself with this 'big to big' thing...You really don't want to deal with big companies anyway
[04:07:09] <zeeshan> why not
[04:07:12] <Snuggy> The bigger the company - the longer they take to pay
[04:07:41] <Snuggy> After you get enough feathers in your cap, then part is parts.
[04:07:50] <WalterN> hubbel takes 3 months to pay
[04:07:52] <zeeshan> somenewguy_shp: lol
[04:08:01] <WalterN> I know this, because they visited my shop
[04:08:01] <zeeshan> vw + honda + nissan 240sx
[04:08:03] <zeeshan> stay away!
[04:08:05] <zeeshan> they're cheap bastards
[04:08:08] <Snuggy> It no longer is impressive to do work for 'fortune 500' because you work like a slave and they take forever to pay
[04:08:17] <zeeshan> Snuggy: i'd have to disagree
[04:08:22] <zeeshan> i've worked at eaton
[04:08:22] <WalterN> depends...
[04:08:27] <zeeshan> and we made millions
[04:08:31] <zeeshan> during the summer i was there
[04:09:04] <Snuggy> Who is 'we'? You were thrilled to get $2000 a few posts ago....
[04:09:06] <Snuggy> :)
[04:09:16] <zeeshan> 2000?
[04:09:40] <Snuggy> I mean YOU doing the work and YOU getting ALL the pay
[04:09:41] <zeeshan> we, the company
[04:09:52] <zeeshan> and i was only a co-op student tehre
[04:10:02] <zeeshan> made 40k in 4 months
[04:10:10] <zeeshan> TAX FREE!
[04:10:23] <zeeshan> (tuition rebates for the win!)
[04:10:27] <Snuggy> meh...
[04:11:05] <Snuggy> That's stealing....you didn't really MAKE that money. That is called stealing...and abusing the system
[04:11:13] <zeeshan> thats not stealing.
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[04:11:25] <zeeshan> i dont think you understand how tuition rebates work
[04:11:33] <zeeshan> if i pay 50,000 in tuition
[04:11:37] <zeeshan> i get 50,000 in tax credits
[04:11:53] <zeeshan> and if i make 40k during the summer, i can use my tax credits to remove all my taxes
[04:12:03] <zeeshan> but thats besides the point
[04:12:11] <zeeshan> i rather work for a big company and have a secure job
[04:12:18] <zeeshan> than work for myself as a primary source of income
[04:12:32] <Snuggy> There is no such thing as 'secure' anything, brother.
[04:12:40] <XXCoder> everyone is replacabke
[04:12:42] <Snuggy> Not anymore
[04:12:46] <zeeshan> a monthly pay cheque
[04:12:47] <WalterN> zeeshan: owning your own machine shop is so much more fun
[04:12:53] <zeeshan> is a hell of a lot better than going out looking for work
[04:12:58] <WalterN> and more up and down in income
[04:13:01] <WalterN> but still more fun
[04:13:30] <Snuggy> I don't go anywhere 'looking for work' - I have a reputation for quality & my customers get in line for me to machine things for them
[04:13:47] <Snuggy> I never advertise - it is all word of mouth & repeat customers
[04:13:48] <zeeshan> you're prolly not a home shop machinist
[04:13:52] <zeeshan> and have a real business
[04:13:54] <XXCoder> doubt I will get there at all lol
[04:14:01] <zeeshan> that's why.
[04:14:01] <Snuggy> My business is at home
[04:14:07] <zeeshan> okay, then i dont believe you
[04:14:07] <zeeshan> lol
[04:14:12] <XXCoder> large shop at home eh
[04:14:23] <Snuggy> Well you're young yet...
[04:14:24] <XXCoder> or is your lathe over sink
[04:14:28] <zeeshan> disney goes to a home shop
[04:14:29] <zeeshan> lol
[04:14:42] <WalterN> zeeshan: heh, yeah, I suppose thats true... I have a 30hp C-axes lathe, another smaller lathe, and a haas VF1
[04:15:00] <WalterN> looking at getting another identical C-axes lathe
[04:15:16] <zeeshan> most of the companies that i've worked for
[04:15:17] <Snuggy> My mill is only 2hp - I have 3 CNC routers
[04:15:20] <zeeshan> when we outsourcd stuff
[04:15:32] <zeeshan> the company we'd go to was liable for the work they did
[04:15:32] <XXCoder> I have 0.3 cnc router
[04:15:35] <WalterN> the VF1 is 8hp I think
[04:15:35] <Snuggy> I don't really do 'production milling' on the 2hp
[04:15:36] <zeeshan> and had to have insurance
[04:15:52] <zeeshan> for example wiring harnesses
[04:15:55] <WalterN> from 1990, however all the modern VF1's have a 30hp spindle
[04:16:14] <Snuggy> Wouldn't mind having a HAAS - sweet machine
[04:16:44] <WalterN> the one I have is complete junk
[04:16:52] <WalterN> but it pushed out a lot of money
[04:17:04] <Snuggy> What's it's downfall?
[04:17:14] <WalterN> everything... lol
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[04:17:44] <XXCoder> reminds me of blonde joke
[04:17:45] <Snuggy> LOL! 'Proprietary' troubles? "Well...you have to upgrade your control"
[04:17:56] <XXCoder> it hurts everywhere when touched, its really just hurt finger
[04:19:13] <WalterN> teeth missing in some of the gearing, recently the spindle driver quit working... took it apart and put it back together and it works all of a sudden, the carousel is completely wore out..
[04:19:27] <zeeshan> haas made in china special 1
[04:19:34] <topcyde> Snuggy: Haas has no bearings and no torque. so they stall out AND burn up their bearings. that and finding a service tech that can actually troubleshoot and not just swap parts is impossible.
[04:19:34] <WalterN> I guess the ballscrews and linear bearings are still good
[04:20:12] <WalterN> spindle motor was recently meged, and its good
[04:20:31] <WalterN> hi/low gear sometimes likes to not work
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[04:20:58] <XXCoder> what a moron http://notalwaysworking.com/not-the-time-to-have-a-light-bulb-moment/34785
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[04:21:24] <Snuggy> Here's an example of MY work. I made this EXACT piece: https://scontent-a-lga.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash2/t1.0-9/p720x720/271143_283878621713525_813495148_n.jpg
[04:21:41] <XXCoder> from many, one.
[04:21:47] <XXCoder> I orefer that motto.
[04:21:53] <Snuggy> It is 8 FEET in diameter hanging in the State Dept bldg in NY
[04:22:03] <WalterN> what needs to happen is the encoder knob needs to come off, and replace the rest of the machine
[04:22:04] <XXCoder> nice. big cnc or?
[04:22:24] <Snuggy> Yes...but machined in multiple pieces and assembled
[04:22:33] <zeeshan> looks nice
[04:22:39] <WalterN> XXCoder: he cheated and used a metal SLS type rapid prototyping machine :P
[04:22:40] <Snuggy> Thanks
[04:23:03] <Snuggy> Actually....the building is almost all glass in the front
[04:23:07] <WalterN> (at least, thats what I would do)
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[04:23:16] <Snuggy> no way to get a crane in there for real bronze
[04:23:21] <XXCoder> lol. anyway its cool
[04:23:26] <XXCoder> just shatter one
[04:23:29] <Snuggy> it is foam + metal coating!
[04:23:32] <zeeshan> so you get consistent work
[04:23:34] <zeeshan> like that?
[04:23:39] <zeeshan> every month?
[04:23:51] <Snuggy> I pull down the 'big fish'
[04:23:55] <WalterN> cast pot metal
[04:23:58] <WalterN> XD
[04:24:03] <XXCoder> lead
[04:24:08] <XXCoder> cast it right there lol
[04:24:41] <WalterN> I feel dirty for even saying such a thing
[04:24:44] <XXCoder> then paint it over to protect people from tasting its brain damaging sweet sweet taste :P
[04:25:32] <Snuggy> Anybody running a Mesa setup?
[04:25:55] <WalterN> I wish...
[04:26:12] <WalterN> so many machine things I want to make myself
[04:26:22] <WalterN> but busy pushing out parts to screw with that
[04:26:25] <Snuggy> I've got a plug-n-go coming later this week
[04:26:45] <WalterN> maybe in a couple years I can afford to hire somebody and then I can work on that stuff more
[04:26:45] <Snuggy> Yeah...me too - but I gotta have some goodies to look forward to!
[04:27:06] <Snuggy> Yeah...hiring someone = you'll go broke
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[04:27:55] <XXCoder> unless really cheap worker. then you go broke by shitty parts
[04:28:02] <zeeshan> :P
[04:28:34] <Snuggy> Or...you get an average worker and still get shitty parts. No thanks. I'll just do it myself ;)
[04:28:44] <XXCoder> well
[04:28:54] <WalterN> depends
[04:28:55] <XXCoder> you could hire a "push button" worker for cnc machines
[04:29:02] <Snuggy> I sure don't miss being an employee...at all. Ever.
[04:29:04] <zeeshan> those still cost $$ :P
[04:29:26] <zeeshan> i've worked enough floor work
[04:29:31] <Snuggy> Yes. That's all this CNC mumbo jumbo is anyway. Just pushing a button :D
[04:29:33] <zeeshan> to hate working on machines!
[04:29:37] <zeeshan> for a living
[04:29:57] <WalterN> thats all I'm doing at the moment
[04:30:03] <WalterN> pressing the go button
[04:30:24] <zeeshan> at gates
[04:30:28] <WalterN> making a bunch of high current electrical connectors for a certain class of land based oil rigs
[04:30:34] <zeeshan> there was 1 machine operator for every 3 cnc machines
[04:30:35] <Snuggy> There's no thought that goes into programming. Just push the button. Money comes out like an ATM
[04:30:38] <zeeshan> (production line)
[04:30:58] <zeeshan> and every 15 minutes you had to do a SPC check
[04:31:06] <XXCoder> yeah from what I see, programming is tough side.
[04:31:08] <zeeshan> for like 15 different dimensions per paart
[04:31:11] <WalterN> http://rigpower.com/ I make basically all the copper stuff in there
[04:31:14] <Snuggy> Production/high volume parts = borning
[04:31:18] <Snuggy> boring
[04:31:24] <XXCoder> making parts afterwards is easy. place, calbrate then go button
[04:31:24] <zeeshan> yea its erxtremely boring
[04:31:27] <zeeshan> i was training those guys
[04:31:33] <zeeshan> and fixing machine breakdowns
[04:31:37] <zeeshan> hated it
[04:31:53] <Snuggy> Custom, one-offs etc is where the money is - and you don't get burnt or bored - as easily
[04:31:53] <zeeshan> i dunno how some people do that stuff for their whole life
[04:32:07] <zeeshan> thats when i decided to go back to school :P
[04:32:15] <XXCoder> zee many jobs I had was that boring
[04:32:34] <XXCoder> the abosite worse was sitting and connecting 2 wires each tv
[04:32:40] <zeeshan> haha
[04:32:45] <zeeshan> dude, that'll make you go crazy
[04:32:46] <XXCoder> it was the one time I ever really hallucated
[04:32:47] <Snuggy> Been there...have a biology & computer science degree...bought a CNC...then 2 more - that's what makes the $$$ and I set the schedule
[04:32:48] <zeeshan> i know it would make me.
[04:32:50] <XXCoder> fuck that shit
[04:32:51] <WalterN> in the end its still making stuff for somebody else... I'd rather make my own products :P
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[04:33:06] <zeeshan> Snuggy: i got a 3 year technical college diploma
[04:33:07] <XXCoder> snuggy CS here too
[04:33:12] <zeeshan> 4 year mech eng degree
[04:33:12] <XXCoder> as well as IT
[04:33:13] <zeeshan> and doing masters
[04:33:17] <zeeshan> and i work every summer to get expierence
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[04:33:27] <zeeshan> i've noticed as you get more experienced, the jobs get even better
[04:33:35] <XXCoder> zeeshan: it wouldnt be too bad if I was allowed to stand
[04:33:39] <XXCoder> but no.
[04:33:44] <zeeshan> i rather sit!
[04:33:45] <XXCoder> 10 hours, 4 days a week
[04:34:07] <Snuggy> The only sitting I do is on my tractor ;)
[04:34:12] <zeeshan> i was just telling my buddy today..
[04:34:42] <XXCoder> zeeshan: thing is, standing sometimes would help my heart beat bit harder and be more aware
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[04:34:55] <zeeshan> #1 job: designing factories & seeing it go through, #2 job: optimizing aerospace components -- i wanna do heavy heavy heavy mathematical models, #3: consulting
[04:35:10] <Snuggy> You gotta find something your heart is into - If you pick something for the money - you're sunk. It'll never work.
[04:35:17] <XXCoder> first job? damn. my first job was mcdonalds. so are my second and third
[04:35:25] <zeeshan> nooo
[04:35:28] <zeeshan> those are what i want
[04:35:35] <WalterN> heh
[04:35:36] <zeeshan> my first job was a grocery store
[04:35:36] <zeeshan> haha
[04:35:39] <zeeshan> that was a long ass time ago
[04:35:48] <WalterN> mine was a diesel mechanic shop
[04:35:56] <XXCoder> Snuggy: well cant be only thing. you do need money. balance is where you want. enough interest to make job decent plus living wage
[04:35:58] <zeeshan> my first real career job was designer for plastic injection mold components
[04:36:00] <zeeshan> i loved that job
[04:36:03] <zeeshan> but not enough money
[04:36:09] <XXCoder> lol my first job was in I guess 1993
[04:36:13] <zeeshan> second was gates (cnc machines robots , training etc)_
[04:36:19] <Snuggy> LOL! Grocery store at night...that's when the chicken feet get sold
[04:36:19] <zeeshan> ^this job wanted me to kill myself
[04:36:41] <zeeshan> i've worked at eaton for every summer pretty much through university
[04:36:55] <zeeshan> now im doing r&d for mcmaster
[04:37:09] <XXCoder> my current job is to seal clamps lol
[04:37:21] <zeeshan> i think i need 70% theoretical work, 30% physical work
[04:37:25] <Snuggy> Well yes, you still need to make the ducks - but IF YOU ARE GOING TO BE A SLAVE - pick something you are at least excited about - that's all...we are all pretty much slaves.
[04:37:28] <somenewguy_shp> zeeshan, guess I'm keeping you in buisness yeah
[04:37:29] <XXCoder> lots fun :P in least it varies enough to keep my brain awake. unlike that nightmare of a tv job
[04:37:41] <XXCoder> indeed snug
[04:38:08] <zeeshan> Snuggy: i think thats not a great way to look at it
[04:38:13] <zeeshan> if you think working for a company is being a slave
[04:38:16] <zeeshan> you're working at the wrong place
[04:38:26] <somenewguy_shp> ok I'm geting out of the shop, I just pulled the threads out of the block where my oil pump mounts, and we are not gonna talk about how many weeks went into prepping that pump.....
[04:38:41] <Snuggy> If you HAVE to pay taxes - you are a slave, Neo
[04:38:44] <Snuggy> :)
[04:38:45] <zeeshan> haha
[04:38:45] <somenewguy_shp> blood pressure can not manage this one right now, gonna just walk away and let the slicion cure so its easier to remove
[04:38:50] <XXCoder> you the guy that had issues with spray thing?
[04:39:08] <zeeshan> somenewguy_shp: what base material?
[04:39:15] <somenewguy_shp> aluminum block
[04:39:26] <zeeshan> what engine?
[04:39:28] <zeeshan> dont tell me ls1
[04:39:28] <zeeshan> haha
[04:39:29] <somenewguy_shp> of course I don't have any inserts left
[04:39:32] <somenewguy_shp> VW type 4
[04:39:36] <zeeshan> oh
[04:39:42] <zeeshan> cant you drill and tap it for a bigger bolt?
[04:39:48] <zeeshan> if you dont have any helicoil left
[04:39:50] <somenewguy_shp> aka ye olde timey porsche 914 flat 4
[04:39:55] <Snuggy> How many 'cubes' ccs?
[04:39:58] <somenewguy_shp> whole engine is assmelbed around it..
[04:40:02] <somenewguy_shp> 2000
[04:40:08] <Snuggy> I've got a '71 crew
[04:40:12] <zeeshan> eek
[04:40:17] <zeeshan> thats the worst kind of strip.
[04:40:17] <zeeshan> haha
[04:40:19] <somenewguy_shp> I might have a step stud in the draw to my left, fingers crossed
[04:40:30] <somenewguy_shp> snuggy, lucky, i'm on my second westy
[04:40:36] <somenewguy_shp> this ones a 73, last one was a 77
[04:40:50] <Snuggy> I still wouldn't mind having one of those!
[04:41:13] <somenewguy_shp> I recommend two
[04:41:20] <zeeshan> somenewguy_shp: when i stripped a exhaust manifold mounting thread before
[04:41:27] <somenewguy_shp> a nice one for camping, a BAMF one for woods bashing
[04:41:30] <zeeshan> it was some real art work to fix that shit
[04:41:31] <zeeshan> haha
[04:41:36] <Snuggy> Mine's still got the 1600 in it...but I've got a Corvair 110 w/Powerglide (low miles & running) + brackets
[04:41:36] <zeeshan> 90 degree drill
[04:41:42] <zeeshan> with a custom drill bushing
[04:41:56] <zeeshan> i try to use studs now on anything aluminum thats threaded
[04:41:59] <somenewguy_shp> nice, gonna flip the tranny or the corvair?
[04:42:16] <somenewguy_shp> zeeshan: yeah I debated putting this off another couple of days and ordering some studs
[04:42:39] <Snuggy> Running the 'Vair stuff - 3.27 'rear' opposed to the stock like 5.37s...
[04:42:57] <somenewguy_shp> but then I forgot one of the valve springs at the house so I aint closing the upper end today and figured I needed to get somethign done
[04:43:09] <zeeshan> doh
[04:43:10] <zeeshan> :P
[04:43:22] <zeeshan> my cars on jack stands :{
[04:43:25] <somenewguy_shp> found a stud, now need to konw if its long enough
[04:43:38] <somenewguy_shp> mines been on stands for a looong time, ate a valve guide
[04:43:45] <zeeshan> haha
[04:43:47] <somenewguy_shp> been using my manx buggy as a daily driver for 2 months
[04:43:57] <somenewguy_shp> lets just say its a good thing I have a high tolerance for the cold
[04:44:11] <Snuggy> Yikes! Hope it wasn't snowing!
[04:44:26] <somenewguy_shp> only a couple days lol
[04:44:34] <somenewguy_shp> HELL YEAH I HAVE A 100ct BAG OF EXACTLY THE RIGHT STUD
[04:44:44] <Snuggy> :)
[04:44:55] <somenewguy_shp> now if the stars are .really. in my favor its a blind hole and bobs my mothers brother
[04:44:58] <XXCoder> somenewguy_shp: lol once had my car with broken signal lights. had to hand signal in really bad weather for weeks
[04:45:03] <XXCoder> then finally fixed it
[04:45:22] <XXCoder> had to go college with wel left arm lol
[04:45:25] <XXCoder> wet
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[04:45:36] <somenewguy_shp> sounds like my 77
[04:45:43] <Snuggy> Alright...I'm gettin in the crib. I gotta work tomorrow to pay into the welfare system to support you slackers...
[04:45:47] <somenewguy_shp> electrical was never all that well behaved after i got rearended
[04:45:49] <Snuggy> :) LOL!!!!!!
[04:45:57] <zeeshan> THANK YOU SNUGGY!
[04:45:58] <zeeshan> :DS
[04:46:12] <somenewguy_shp> you mean ur not working right now?
[04:46:13] <Snuggy> Nite Gents - keep the shiny side up!
[04:46:23] <somenewguy_shp> HOW WILL I PAY FOR MY NEXT CAR YOU SELFHISH JERK
[04:46:27] <somenewguy_shp> nite
[04:46:32] <XXCoder> lol Snuggy
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[04:46:55] <XXCoder> think ill go sleep too. lots clamps to do tomorrow.
[04:47:10] <XXCoder> bottling up air lol
[04:47:36] <somenewguy_shp> cant let it get out now
[04:47:51] <somenewguy_shp> i think I'm gonna swap machines anyways, get some "real" work done lol
[04:48:05] <somenewguy_shp> these boards aint gonna design themselves
[04:48:05] <XXCoder> lol well night
[04:48:16] <CaptHindsight> working on the edge detection http://imagebin.org/309199 http://imagebin.org/309105 http://imagebin.org/309193
[04:48:25] <somenewguy_shp> goodnight nitevale
[04:48:30] <WalterN> CaptHindsight: ohi
[04:49:33] <WalterN> CaptHindsight: ordered and received all that electronic stuff, now I just need to set up my electronics table and start microcontroller programing
[04:49:37] <somenewguy_shp> ool, whos that going for you?
[04:50:02] <WalterN> what?
[04:50:07] <somenewguy_shp> CaptHindsight: not sure what you're doing, but I saw some really cool stuff with edge detection not too long ago
[04:50:14] <CaptHindsight> WalterN: whatcha werkin on?
[04:50:39] <WalterN> CaptHindsight: single axes feeder for a bandsaw to make it automatic
[04:50:44] <somenewguy_shp> color vs hue and all that fun stuff to make shadows less of an issue, but it looks like you don't quite have that problem
[04:50:57] <WalterN> horizontal bandsaw
[04:51:11] <CaptHindsight> somenewguy: camera based edge and feature detection for auto ZERO
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[04:51:57] <CaptHindsight> well thats how most linuxcnc users would use it
[04:52:50] <CaptHindsight> but I'm actually working on auto feature and defect detection
[04:53:22] <somenewguy_shp> man i dig living in the future
[04:53:33] <CaptHindsight> those were just pics using a cheapo usb vga microscope
[04:54:08] <WalterN> writing computer software is not my thing
[04:54:21] <WalterN> microcontroller programming is rather fun though
[04:55:06] <WalterN> (not that I'm any good at it... heh)
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[04:55:11] <somenewguy_shp> WalterN: its addictive, its like problem/puzzle solving
[04:55:13] <CaptHindsight> http://www.ebay.com/itm/200X-Portable-USB-Digital-5MP-4-LED-Microscope-Endoscope-Camera-with-Tripod-/251414807545 this one, it's actually VGA not 5MP, the lying scum!
[04:55:31] <somenewguy_shp> and the puzzle is much more limited in its complexity than "normal" computer programming
[04:55:50] <somenewguy_shp> poorly vetted facts on ebay? while I never!
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[04:56:05] <CaptHindsight> http://imagebin.org/309060 6mil pcb trace
[04:56:38] <WalterN> somenewguy_shp: donno... I rather like the C language... most things on the computer are not programmed in C any more
[04:56:38] <CaptHindsight> http://imagebin.org/308973 taken 1" from lens to object
[04:57:22] <somenewguy_shp> I need one of those
[04:57:24] <CaptHindsight> I really dislike programming
[04:57:32] <somenewguy_shp> and yet..
[04:57:43] <CaptHindsight> I'd rather hold the wrong end of a soldering iron
[04:57:51] <WalterN> lol
[04:58:03] <WalterN> programming is a creative outlet
[04:58:25] <CaptHindsight> nobody else is going to do the image processing stuff
[04:58:35] <somenewguy_shp> waltern, same here, since I don't do anything too serious with it the hardest part is figuring out how to approach the problme, not how to effeciently use a language
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[04:58:59] <somenewguy_shp> i play with micocontrollers and gcode for real basic stuff
[04:59:07] <somenewguy_shp> its just a slightly nerdier sudoku
[04:59:25] <WalterN> free-form tinker toys
[04:59:27] <CaptHindsight> I really don't mind 1's and 0's is all the abstraction that bugs me
[05:00:19] <WalterN> CaptHindsight: you like assembly programming then?
[05:00:45] <CaptHindsight> it's a toss up between having my nipples belt sanded
[05:00:53] <WalterN> lol
[05:01:33] <WalterN> the abstraction layer between 0's and 1's and assembly is very thin
[05:02:03] <CaptHindsight> yeah, after that it might as well be magic
[05:02:22] <WalterN> I can deal with C -> assembly
[05:02:29] <CaptHindsight> magic compilers
[05:02:30] <WalterN> but anything higher is meh
[05:02:41] <WalterN> java, python... so much magics
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[05:03:10] <WalterN> alright, gotta cut one more bar
[05:03:28] <CaptHindsight> I can see why software barely works
[05:03:37] <CaptHindsight> like a house of cards
[05:03:40] <WalterN> well
[05:03:46] <WalterN> yeah... kinda
[05:04:15] <CaptHindsight> if machines were built the same way I'd be a Shepard
[05:04:19] <WalterN> most of it is really bad practices because large companies dont like to pay programmers to do it correctly
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[05:04:42] <WalterN> they pay them to do it fast...
[05:05:04] <CaptHindsight> it's sociopaths in general, they don't see anything other than the quickest way to get the buck/money
[05:05:18] <WalterN> then they all vent, and code their own version of the software and make it open source
[05:05:34] <WalterN> they being the programmers being payed nothing
[05:05:55] <CaptHindsight> I'm waiting for the ape rebellion
[05:06:04] <WalterN> its coming
[05:06:48] <CaptHindsight> any movement on the SLS printer?
[05:07:28] <WalterN> no
[05:07:44] <WalterN> I've been so busy here at my shiny new shop...
[05:08:08] <WalterN> CaptHindsight: I'm 1/3 owner of this place
[05:08:45] <CaptHindsight> what do you do the other 2/3 of your time :)
[05:09:39] <WalterN> heh
[05:10:18] <CaptHindsight> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16826104648 takes great shots at 1"
[05:10:37] <WalterN> oh hey, I have one of those
[05:10:48] <WalterN> ...somewhere
[05:10:50] <CaptHindsight> http://imagebin.org/308971 http://imagebin.org/308970
[05:12:56] <zeeshan> CaptHindsight:
[05:13:01] <zeeshan> is 6 mil .006" ?
[05:13:22] <CaptHindsight> yes or ~150um
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[05:13:28] <zeeshan> ah
[05:13:29] <zeeshan> i didnt know that
[05:13:35] <zeeshan> so insterad of saying 10 thou
[05:13:38] <zeeshan> i can be saying 10 mil
[05:13:41] <zeeshan> :D
[05:13:45] <CaptHindsight> ~25um per 0.001"
[05:13:55] <WalterN> 25.4um?
[05:13:56] <zeeshan> learned something new :D
[05:14:02] <WalterN> :P
[05:14:07] <WalterN> zeeshan: same
[05:15:19] <WalterN> CaptHindsight: in the near future, I'd like to see two people here with the third taking the week off
[05:15:25] <WalterN> or something
[05:15:31] <zeeshan> http://www.wmctv.com/Global/story.asp?S=6668755
[05:15:36] <zeeshan> i hope pete wasn't at this car show
[05:15:37] <zeeshan> ;/
[05:15:42] <WalterN> too busy to do that just yet
[05:17:42] <CaptHindsight> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thousandth_of_an_inch
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[05:20:42] <WalterN> oh man
[05:20:53] <zeeshan> ah
[05:20:53] <WalterN> costo muffins
[05:20:56] <zeeshan> so its mils
[05:20:58] <zeeshan> not mil
[05:20:59] <zeeshan> gotcha
[05:21:00] <WalterN> so good
[05:21:28] <CaptHindsight> singular vs plural
[05:21:33] <CaptHindsight> mil mils
[05:24:14] <CaptHindsight> huh, the new cold war is turning into a hot war
[05:24:22] <CaptHindsight> bbl
[05:24:51] <WalterN> rlly
[05:24:56] <WalterN> linky?
[05:25:31] <CaptHindsight> http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/05/05/slaviansk-ukraine-fightin_n_5266405.html
[05:26:19] <CaptHindsight> still internal, but I wonder how much it's going to spread
[05:26:23] <WalterN> nice splodie there in the background
[05:26:54] <WalterN> donno, I kinda hope it does... we need another good scale war
[05:27:20] <zeeshan> warrrrr
[05:27:23] <zeeshan> it fuels the economy
[05:27:45] <CaptHindsight> http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/ukraine-sends-police-unit-to-odessa-to-restore-order-after-separatists-raid-police-station/2014/05/05/f5c34f9e-d435-11e3-8a78-8fe50322a72c_story.html
[05:28:00] <CaptHindsight> Ukraine helicopter downed as fighting resumes
[05:28:38] <CaptHindsight> what will become of this planet if peace breaks out?
[05:29:06] <WalterN> a sadface from waltern
[05:29:54] <CaptHindsight> http://www.washingtonpost.com/posttv/national/fighting-erupts-on-outskirts-of-rebel-held-slovyansk/2014/05/05/386b47a2-d463-11e3-8f7d-7786660fff7c_video.html hehe better watch out they have sidecars!
[05:32:22] <WalterN> think open source image tracking software is good enough to go in super sonic missiles?
[05:33:01] <CaptHindsight> actually it is, have you seen any of the lower cost drones
[05:33:08] <WalterN> no
[05:33:42] <CaptHindsight> the algorithms have been around for decades
[05:34:38] <WalterN> one of the first things I did in the machine shop was design and build my own rocket engine
[05:34:57] <zeeshan> haha
[05:34:58] <zeeshan> thats cool
[05:35:00] <WalterN> been on the back burner for ~8 years, but I think I could do it
[05:35:05] <zeeshan> whatd you make it out of ?
[05:35:14] <WalterN> steel
[05:35:15] <CaptHindsight> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MIM-104_Patriot
[05:35:20] <WalterN> yeah
[05:35:23] <WalterN> something like that
[05:35:41] <WalterN> only with modern stuff
[05:35:51] <WalterN> (butt tons cheaper... heh)
[05:36:42] <CaptHindsight> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3inpqS-2exo Fiber-Optic Guided Missile FOG-M
[05:37:43] <WalterN> I'd make a hybrid engine, wax or plastic and hydrogen peroxide, cheap and easy to get, and easy to refine if necessary
[05:38:12] <CaptHindsight> or more http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B5VcnCZ6Pv0 Tomahawk Cruise Missile style?
[05:38:16] <WalterN> and it stores fairly well
[05:39:20] <CaptHindsight> I was just reading about the new changes to private drone use
[05:39:23] <WalterN> http://spathengineering.com/ I made a bunch of rocket engine parts for this guy, I still keep in contact with him as a friend
[05:39:36] <CaptHindsight> not sure if that covers model rocketry as well
[05:39:52] <CaptHindsight> especially guided rocketry
[05:40:11] <WalterN> model rockets have strict weight requirements
[05:40:29] <WalterN> under like 8oz or something
[05:40:36] <CaptHindsight> what if launched from a drone?
[05:40:41] <WalterN> donno
[05:40:49] <WalterN> guidance is unknown too
[05:40:54] <WalterN> or rather, undefined
[05:41:15] <WalterN> and I want to give an F16 a run for its money
[05:41:16] <CaptHindsight> http://motherboard.vice.com/read/the-us-government-is-trying-to-fine-a-drone-hobbyist-for-the-first-time-ever
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[05:42:51] <WalterN> I figure if I actually manage to hit an F16, I'd either go to prison for life, or get ushered into the government steam engine making stuff
[05:43:30] <MattyMatt> it depend's whose F16 it is
[05:43:39] <WalterN> the one closest to me
[05:44:01] <CaptHindsight> http://www.cnn.com/2014/03/07/us/drone-pilot-case-faa
[05:44:04] <WalterN> though good point... maybe that would make for a good field trip
[05:44:18] <MattyMatt> to libya
[05:44:31] <WalterN> russia
[05:44:41] <MattyMatt> or wherever the MIC is flexing its muscles atm
[05:44:56] <WalterN> yeah
[05:45:20] <WalterN> an ICBM would be nice, but its kinda difficult to refine uranium, or related elements
[05:45:24] <CaptHindsight> http://science.slashdot.org/story/12/03/07/223255/amateur-rocketeer-derek-devilles-qu8k-rocket-flies-to-120000-feet-video
[05:45:37] <CaptHindsight> that is over 8oz!
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[05:46:37] <WalterN> CaptHindsight: yeah, for stuff over 8oz, and other things, you call the FAA and tell them you are using the airspace for half a day or w/e, then they tell you no, do it the next day and we are all good
[05:46:49] <WalterN> basically
[05:47:24] <CaptHindsight> so not a hobby for the impatient
[05:48:01] <MattyMatt> it beats waiting for nasa
[05:48:10] <MattyMatt> I've been doing that since 69
[05:48:23] <WalterN> screw nasa
[05:48:46] <WalterN> they lost their usefulness at the end of apollo
[05:49:09] <zeeshan> WalterN: i agree
[05:49:17] <zeeshan> =[
[05:49:17] <MattyMatt> i called my rocket Achilles 1, because I kinda knew the paper nozzle would blow out first
[05:49:26] <zeeshan> hopefully with the mars missions
[05:49:28] <zeeshan> it'll change.
[05:49:41] <WalterN> not likely
[05:49:50] <WalterN> SpaceX is where the bets are
[05:49:51] <CaptHindsight> http://www.estesrockets.com/rockets/pro-series
[05:50:05] <CaptHindsight> no real money in it
[05:50:25] <CaptHindsight> so I don't expect much progress in space
[05:50:28] <MattyMatt> planetaryresources is where it's at
[05:50:40] <WalterN> coal is where the money is at :P
[05:50:48] <zeeshan> CaptHindsight: be open minded :P
[05:50:54] <WalterN> though, helium3
[05:51:09] <MattyMatt> plant a flag on an asteroid, then sell nickel futures
[05:51:10] <zeeshan> almost the whole world at the time of some of the greatest pioneers
[05:51:13] <zeeshan> said similar stuff :P
[05:51:43] <CaptHindsight> can we send the banksters into space?
[05:51:53] <MattyMatt> half of them
[05:51:59] <zeeshan> honestly, the way i think of it is like this
[05:52:00] <WalterN> start with congress
[05:52:08] <MattyMatt> bottom half would be funniest
[05:52:11] <zeeshan> we have finite amount of resources, and to let the economy grow
[05:52:28] <zeeshan> we'll eventually need to venture off
[05:52:30] <WalterN> zeeshan: I'd disagree
[05:52:35] <WalterN> well
[05:52:40] <WalterN> kinda
[05:52:47] <zeeshan> i'm not thinking immediately in our lifetime
[05:52:47] <CaptHindsight> before they melt the place?
[05:53:38] <zeeshan> man
[05:53:46] <zeeshan> imagine running a milling machine in space
[05:53:57] <zeeshan> you can load a 10,000 lb part in the chuck like it was a joke
[05:53:58] <zeeshan> :D
[05:54:03] <WalterN> the post apcoliptic garbage about turning the planet into husk will never happen though, biological resources will _always_ be around
[05:54:07] <zeeshan> and go from a 4 jaw to 3 jaw easily
[05:54:18] <MattyMatt> inertia is the same
[05:54:28] <zeeshan> inertia is same yes
[05:54:31] <zeeshan> but there is no gravity
[05:54:37] <zeeshan> so you can easily float parts into position
[05:54:51] <zeeshan> but iguess when you're cutting metal
[05:54:55] <zeeshan> chips and fluid will be a nightmare
[05:54:55] <zeeshan> haha
[05:55:03] <CaptHindsight> it's getting them to and from that gets expensive and difficult
[05:55:10] <MattyMatt> by pushing them? if it's a big part, you'll be pushing yourself away more
[05:55:14] <WalterN> zeeshan: yeah, I've been thinking about that... how to run a lathe in space
[05:55:35] <CaptHindsight> well whats the lathe attached to?
[05:55:44] <WalterN> I havent thought of a good way to deal with coolant/chips
[05:55:45] <CaptHindsight> or is this a free floating lathe?
[05:55:46] <MattyMatt> when the head goes left, the bed goes right
[05:56:23] <CaptHindsight> wall mount :)
[05:56:46] <zeeshan> hahaha
[05:56:51] <zeeshan> wall mount. love that joke
[05:56:55] <WalterN> also, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Orion_%28nuclear_propulsion%29
[05:57:10] <MattyMatt> you couldn't afford to waste chips, and anyway they'd be a navigation hazard
[05:57:24] <CaptHindsight> space junk
[05:57:30] <zeeshan> i'd love to do my machining upside down
[05:58:04] <CaptHindsight> http://www.space.com/16518-space-junk.html
[05:58:11] <WalterN> zeeshan: until a coolant blob loaded with chips hits you in the arm/face/leg
[05:58:18] <zeeshan> :D
[05:58:27] <WalterN> and it just sticks
[05:58:32] <WalterN> no dripping off
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[05:59:45] <CaptHindsight> Over 21,000 pieces of space trash larger than 4 inches (10 centimeters) and half a million bits of junk between 1 cm and 10 cm are estimated to circle the planet.
[06:00:07] <zeeshan> i bet some of that is human poop
[06:00:08] <zeeshan> :p
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[06:00:12] <CaptHindsight> and thats before a space lathe
[06:00:24] <MattyMatt> in space, additive is easier. spray metals with electrons or lasers
[06:00:58] <zeeshan> yea but some components need to be metal
[06:01:02] <WalterN> thats true too
[06:01:03] <zeeshan> and need a crazy surface finish
[06:01:07] <WalterN> zeeshan: metal SLS
[06:01:10] <CaptHindsight> More than 500,000 pieces of debris, or “space junk,” are tracked as they orbit the Earth.
[06:01:19] <CaptHindsight> http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/station/news/orbital_debris.html
[06:01:22] <zeeshan> yea, but metal sls doesnt leave a good surface finish
[06:01:31] <zeeshan> and isn't that accurate
[06:01:42] <zeeshan> from the videos ive seen, you still need machining on journal bearing surfaces
[06:01:50] <zeeshan> or press fits
[06:01:55] <MattyMatt> you can spray all metals, and diamond for windows. that's 90% of your structural requirements
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[06:02:00] <WalterN> CaptHindsight: if they made that 1950's-1960's Orion, they would not have to worry about junk floating in space
[06:02:36] <WalterN> 5 story 10,000ton space ship
[06:02:38] <CaptHindsight> after trying everything else first they usually do the right thing
[06:02:51] <WalterN> using cutting edge nuclear propulsion
[06:03:11] <WalterN> dirt cheap to put stuff in space with
[06:03:46] <WalterN> its still the best way
[06:03:59] <WalterN> the united states government is so stupid
[06:04:47] <WalterN> heerrrrr, lets build a space shuttle thing
[06:05:01] <WalterN> yayscience
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[06:05:14] <WalterN> idiots
[06:05:42] <WalterN> president nixon and congress at the time
[06:06:12] <WalterN> that was before I was born
[06:06:39] <MattyMatt> if the energia hadn't exploded, there could've been a shuttle race
[06:06:41] <WalterN> (I'm ranting slightly more than I intended)
[06:07:24] <MattyMatt> mind you, buran woulda probably screwed the soyuz production, and we'd have lost that too
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[06:08:25] <WalterN> what?
[06:09:06] <MattyMatt> if the russians had piled all-in on shuttles
[06:09:23] <WalterN> oh
[06:09:44] <WalterN> shuttles are rather worthless... too much weight to be useful
[06:09:59] <WalterN> von braun and his buddies knew what they were doing
[06:10:19] <MattyMatt> yeah but too much weight to retire on the ground, when they had the choice of mothballing them in orbit
[06:10:54] <WalterN> the problem is chemical based rockets dont scale, thats why the orion project popped up
[06:11:43] <MattyMatt> chemical rockets don't take kindly to mothballing, when fueled
[06:12:12] <WalterN> by the time apollo was at the end of its life span, felix dyson and nuclear science buddies were ready to build (after scale testing) Orion
[06:13:00] <WalterN> they presented it to nixon and congress, but congress decided they could do better, and went with the shuttle, and micromanaged its design
[06:13:37] <WalterN> (short version of the fall of NASA)
[06:14:42] <WalterN> its kind of a really sad story... :-/
[06:15:23] <MattyMatt> it's at the part with the violins, before the car chase
[06:15:47] <WalterN> meh
[06:15:50] <MattyMatt> nasa's biggest problem was that it crowded out private enterprise
[06:16:14] <WalterN> enh
[06:16:17] <MattyMatt> so maybe now, it'll really shine
[06:16:35] <MattyMatt> taking public money and buying COTS stuff
[06:16:46] <WalterN> in the apollo days they defined basic computer systems... the way memory and electronics work
[06:16:59] <WalterN> that are standard practice today
[06:17:20] <MattyMatt> that probably all came from air force and navy. remember how nasa started
[06:18:22] <MattyMatt> nukes got compact, so the navy had some obsolete oversize rockets, so they formed naca specifically to play with those
[06:18:24] <WalterN> kinda... I guess you could say it started with advanced WW2 radar instillations... but w/e
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[06:18:55] <WalterN> oh you mean the rockets?
[06:19:02] <MattyMatt> if you believe AC Clarke, it did :)
[06:20:06] <MattyMatt> it freaks me out they had mosfets in WW2
[06:20:10] <WalterN> well, there was more than one factor.. von braun worked for the military for ~5-10 years, before NASA started, but von braun kind of hated it... I'm sure that was a major factor too (spuntnick aside)
[06:20:26] <MattyMatt> it musta bugged them when deforrest patented bjt
[06:20:47] <WalterN> (not sure what bjt is... but alright)
[06:21:30] <MattyMatt> bipolar transistor BPT or whatever (on first coffee)
[06:21:31] <WalterN> also, basically all of the vacuum tubes are mosfet style... just really high power versions :P
[06:22:23] <WalterN> or am I thinking of a specific class of vacuum tube?
[06:22:37] <WalterN> I dont remember exactly :-/
[06:22:52] <WalterN> I don't get payed enough to know this stuff
[06:22:57] <MattyMatt> I never bothered to learn much about tubes. I kinda regret that
[06:23:37] <WalterN> I think most vacuum tubes are field effect
[06:23:42] <MattyMatt> gotta prune the knowlege. no puny human brain can contain everything anymore
[06:23:48] <WalterN> just not solid state
[06:25:04] <WalterN> they did have solid state simi-conductors in WW2 times... mostly revolving around quarts crystal, but still... nobody really had the time to study it
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[06:27:25] <WalterN> that and interesting things going on with radar
[06:27:44] <MattyMatt> back to the subject of our own rockets. are these cheap mems gyros designed to cack out when used in a real threat missile?
[06:28:03] <WalterN> mems?
[06:28:14] <WalterN> you can get solid state gyros
[06:28:18] <MattyMatt> micro EM systems
[06:28:38] <WalterN> oh, I think we are talking about the same thing then?
[06:28:57] <MattyMatt> only solid state one I know is laser ones, and they are not cheap enough for a small afghan boy to buy
[06:30:12] <WalterN> you mean something like this? https://www.sparkfun.com/products/10937
[06:30:28] <MattyMatt> those are mems
[06:30:40] <MattyMatt> laser ones are usually triangular
[06:30:51] <WalterN> donno
[06:31:07] <WalterN> datasheet should say what kind of acceleration they should be able to handle
[06:31:12] <MattyMatt> mems is a silicon chip, etched to exhibit mechanical features
[06:32:15] <MattyMatt> yeah but the datasheet and secret military threat assessment are 2 different things. they have gotta have considered how to limit them, before letting civilians buy them
[06:32:38] <MattyMatt> you'd think
[06:33:22] <MattyMatt> if not, don't blame me when a combo of nintendo and estes brings down an airliner
[06:33:48] <WalterN> donno... I do know a guy to ask though, who does
[06:34:01] <WalterN> GPS is like that
[06:34:07] <WalterN> well, kinda
[06:34:27] <WalterN> not designed to break down under a load, just update times are slow
[06:34:45] <MattyMatt> you can't even buy 3% peroxide here anymore
[06:35:09] <MattyMatt> since the london bombs
[06:35:17] <WalterN> where is here? cause I called around and it seems like its easy to get 50% for industrial purposes
[06:35:48] <MattyMatt> UK
[06:35:54] <WalterN> oh yeah
[06:36:30] <MattyMatt> I say can't, but I'm always assuming I wouldn't pass the vetting
[06:36:41] <WalterN> there is a place that will make 80% and ship it to me via a tanker truck... I just have to provide the money and storage ability
[06:37:25] <WalterN> laws in USA suck, but the rest of the world still sucks more
[06:37:56] <MattyMatt> amazon.co.uk stock kg bags of saltptre, frequently bought together with flowers of sulpher. I'm tempted to order some, just to assess the bearocracy, but that's silly
[06:38:10] <WalterN> heh
[06:38:24] <WalterN> probably easier to make your own over there
[06:38:39] <MattyMatt> if you've got your own mud wall to piss on
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[06:39:16] <WalterN> can you even get liquid oxygen?
[06:39:22] <WalterN> without hassle
[06:40:27] <MattyMatt> yeah there was a monopoly on all transportable gas in UK, which still dominates
[06:40:43] <WalterN> was?
[06:40:47] <WalterN> oh
[06:40:55] <WalterN> but is it a hassle?
[06:40:57] <MattyMatt> a lot of paperwork and rules, but the systems are in place to get it
[06:41:01] <MattyMatt> yep
[06:41:15] <WalterN> stupid
[06:41:24] <WalterN> and why I wont move from USA... yet
[06:41:46] <MattyMatt> go up, young man
[06:41:59] <WalterN> enh
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[06:42:14] <WalterN> no
[06:42:17] <MattyMatt> land on the moon, plant your own flag
[06:42:33] <WalterN> oh
[06:42:36] <WalterN> sure, why not
[06:42:47] <WalterN> SpaceX will probably get there first though
[06:43:30] <MattyMatt> they'll probably honour the treaty USG have signed
[06:43:53] <MattyMatt> which prevents them claiming any or all of the moon
[06:45:08] <MattyMatt> that treaty will last until there are exactly 2 parties there permanently :)
[06:45:14] <WalterN> the moon has a better internet connection than I have
[06:45:44] <MattyMatt> it still bugs me that they chose .moon TLD instead of .luna
[06:45:53] <WalterN> lol
[06:45:58] <WalterN> luna
[06:46:51] <WalterN> like this kind of luna? http://img2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20120713100438/mlp/images/c/cd/FANMADE_Princess_Luna_transparent_background.png
[06:46:53] <WalterN> :P
[06:47:28] <MattyMatt> no bro
[06:48:29] * MattyMatt bronacker
[06:48:38] <WalterN> ..?
[06:49:13] <MattyMatt> I'm a bloke who like ponymeat sandwiches, and unicorns >:)
[06:49:19] <WalterN> heh
[06:49:25] <WalterN> I'm fine with that too
[06:50:09] <MattyMatt> I did see an awesome "unicorn poop cookies" on youtube that made me wish I was a 6yo girl for a few seconds
[06:50:51] <WalterN> canned unicorn meat
[06:51:16] <WalterN> http://www.thinkgeek.com/product/e5a7/
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[06:53:09] <MattyMatt> awesome. now I wish I had a 6yo girl to buy presents for
[06:54:21] <WalterN> I do admit though, I am kind of a fan of the generation 4 my little pony show... probably because of the scope the show covers that most cartoons dont
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[06:54:37] <Deejay> moin
[06:54:54] <witnit> mojn!
[06:56:46] <Deejay> huhu witnit
[07:00:42] <WalterN> heh, MattyMatt stops talking :P
[07:02:44] <MattyMatt> rockets was quite far enough OT :)
[07:02:56] <WalterN> you are no fun
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[08:11:44] <Valen> did i miss rockets?
[08:11:48] * Valen is a rocket person
[08:11:50] <Valen> :-<
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[09:06:40] <tom_R2E3> hello #linuxcnc
[09:07:25] <tom_R2E3> is there a "how to" to assign keyboard keys to new functions somewhere?
[09:14:59] <WalterN> Valen: seems so
[09:15:46] <WalterN> eventually some day I'm going to build a largish one
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[09:49:19] <archivist> tom_R2E3, yes in an email
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[09:49:54] <archivist> http://article.gmane.org/gmane.linux.distributions.emc.user/12642
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[11:33:49] <MrSun_> hmm, anyone tried the xhc-hb04 code in the linuxcnc tree ?
[11:34:01] <MrSun_> got it working somewhat but getting alot of bitching from linuxcnc ...
[11:34:11] <MrSun_> cant start programs from the pendant etc :/
[11:34:23] <MrSun_> not allowed in manual mode, and not allowed in mdi mode ..
[11:36:45] <jthornton> tis true you can't do that
[11:36:58] <MrSun_> but how is then ever a pendant gonna work ?
[11:37:03] <MrSun_> =)
[11:37:15] <MrSun_> i dont understand ... cause like nothing works on pendant more than the jog wheel :/
[11:37:16] <jthornton> look on the forum for examples
[11:37:31] <MrSun_> not with the linuxcnc xhc-hb04 or the xhc-hb04-V6 from that other person :7
[11:37:46] <jthornton> I have remote start/pause examples on the forum
[11:38:37] <MrSun_> hmm where? =)
[11:39:16] <jthornton> HAL Examples
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[11:43:20] <MrSun_> feels like i never will get it to work .. and the =0 button that i realy wanted on the pandats seems to be ***ed up to in all versions of hb04 stuff i can find :/
[11:46:55] <MrSun_> http://pastebin.com/yq67s9aw <-- that is directly from the xhc-hb04.tcl file in the linuxcnc git tree
[11:47:11] <MrSun_> thats how they handle start-pause .. shouldnt that work? :/
[11:47:38] <MrSun_> or can it have to be with outdated linuxcnc version on the computer ? (something has been changed in actual linuxcnc to be able to use the pendant stuff? )
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[11:55:26] <jthornton> that doesn't look like it would work to me but I don't have a clue what hb04 is
[11:56:13] <MrSun_> and it uses some helper .comp file also to store values etc
[11:56:22] <MrSun_> jthornton, jogging pendant .. xhc-hb04
[11:56:42] <MrSun_> one would think it would work as its merged into the linuxcnc git repository
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[13:01:56] <Loetmichel> soo, cnc remote control done... very quiet in the office. (careful, second part is LOUD) -> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9u_ChO1AKYY
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[14:59:30] <CaptHindsight> Loetmichel: are you using VLC to view the tool with a camera?
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[15:03:31] <jmasseo> what is the lowest latency video codec anyway?
[15:04:26] <FrankZappa> !? lowest latency? no codec
[15:05:28] <FrankZappa> http://www.hhi.fraunhofer.de/fields-of-competence/image-processing/solutions/hardware-solutions/ultra-low-latency-video-codec.html
[15:05:42] <humble_sea_bass> the codec that Steam uses to stream games to your tablets etc is the fastest
[15:06:02] <humble_sea_bass> some VNC clients use it too, but I can't look it up right now so good luck
[15:06:42] <FrankZappa> <3 ms is pretty low.
[15:06:48] <FrankZappa> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/12020430/look-for-fastest-video-encoder-with-least-lag-to-stream-webcam-streaming-to-ipad
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[15:26:33] <_methods> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=urxflpkY8n8
[15:26:39] <_methods> focused ion beam etching
[15:26:45] * _methods wants one
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[15:28:43] <FrankZappa> nice
[15:29:15] <FrankZappa> do you do microscopic work?
[15:29:19] <_methods> nah
[15:29:33] <_methods> just looks pretty damn cool
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[15:51:24] <SpeedEvil> #homecmos
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[16:33:20] <Loetmichel> CaptHindsight: on both ends, yes
[16:33:50] <Loetmichel> encoding on the LinuxCNC machine and decoding at the windows machine in the office
[16:34:00] <CaptHindsight> we were just talking about the camunits for AXIS
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[16:42:57] <jthornton> MrSun_, looks like dgarr fixed your hb pendant thing in 2.6
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[16:48:45] <Loetmichel> FrankZappa: NO codec is bad
[16:49:51] <FrankZappa> not if your pipe is fat enough :)
[16:50:01] <Loetmichel> tha will produce about 15MB/sec on the lan. a bit much.
[16:50:13] <Jymmm> I can think of a couple of evil codecs
[16:50:21] <Loetmichel> for a 100MBit network ;-)
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[16:53:17] <IchGuckLive> hi aöll B)
[16:54:21] <FrankZappa> LAN? yeesh
[16:54:34] <FrankZappa> you really need end-to-end solution for zero latency video
[16:54:43] <Loetmichel> FrankZappa: how do you think i got the video to my office?
[16:54:56] <Loetmichel> [15:01] <Loetmichel> soo, cnc remote control done... very quiet in the office. (careful, second part is LOUD) -> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9u_ChO1AKYY
[16:55:42] <FrankZappa> cool!
[16:56:05] <FrankZappa> why not use HDMI?
[16:56:16] <Loetmichel> you can see tha lag between the vnc desktoo and the cideo
[16:56:19] <Loetmichel> video
[16:56:33] <Loetmichel> because the office and the machein are a few more meters apart?
[16:56:51] <Loetmichel> and video cant remote control the machine ?
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[16:57:16] <FrankZappa> I would have decoupled those myself
[16:58:09] <FrankZappa> but yeah video over LAN with no ASIC or FPGA solution is going to be lagged
[16:59:08] <Loetmichel> good enough to see a broken bit
[16:59:20] <Loetmichel> or a flying wirkpiece
[16:59:23] <Loetmichel> work
[16:59:32] <CaptHindsight> Camera ----> Lan ----> GbitEthernet Card, no switch and not shared
[17:00:00] <IchGuckLive> Loetmichel: did you got a eye on the XHC-HB04
[17:00:07] <Loetmichel> ?
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[17:00:27] <IchGuckLive> wifi linuxcnc
[17:00:47] <Loetmichel> so?
[17:01:07] <IchGuckLive> remote control redy for action on plug
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[17:01:31] <MrSun_> jthornton, yeah he did a commit on one of the issues and ive tested it and works like a sharm =)
[17:01:33] <FrankZappa> Loetmichel did you mount the camera to the tool arm? or is your table actually moving the work?
[17:02:10] <Loetmichel> FrankZappa: look at the second part of the cideo
[17:02:13] <Loetmichel> video
[17:02:23] <FrankZappa> ah yes I see it now
[17:02:28] <FrankZappa> clearly it's on the tool arm
[17:02:38] <FrankZappa> I didn't realize the scale until I saw the end.
[17:02:42] <FrankZappa> good job
[17:02:49] <Loetmichel> tha black cylinder with a black cable atached protunding from the vacuum bokc on the sondle is the cam
[17:02:52] <Loetmichel> spindle
[17:04:33] <Loetmichel> yeah, the cam has 10mm diameter
[17:04:49] <Loetmichel> and is waterproof with a glass plate in front of the optics
[17:05:00] <IchGuckLive> Loetmichel: one of the Frankfurt police cam
[17:05:19] <Loetmichel> no
[17:05:39] <Loetmichel> http://www.ebay.de/itm/400597370811 this one
[17:06:41] <Loetmichel> the ones delivered to me have a glass plate instead of the plastic cap on the optics, though
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[17:09:33] <CaptHindsight> Loetmichel: is there any manual focus?
[17:09:34] <SpeedEvil> Why do you need low latency?
[17:09:55] <IchGuckLive> SpeedEvil: to get fast speed
[17:10:01] <SpeedEvil> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Andonstar-2MP-USB-Digital-Microscope-Camera-Endoscope-Loupe-Magnifier-Webcam-UK-/171190008984?pt=UK_BOI_Medical_Lab_Equipment_Lab_Equipment_ET&hash=item27dbb83c98 - I got - which is nice.
[17:10:24] <IchGuckLive> SpeedEvil: on steppers below 100k
[17:10:24] <SpeedEvil> Isn't this just for visual inspection - or are you thinking to do feedback over it
[17:10:31] <IchGuckLive> on servo below 10k
[17:10:36] <SpeedEvil> 10k?
[17:10:47] <IchGuckLive> latency
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[17:11:38] <IchGuckLive> SpeedEvil: somew mashines of uas are not in retch so you position touch off with the cam
[17:11:39] <CaptHindsight> http://imagebin.org/309193 ~130um plated copper hole in FR4 pcb 2 layer, with Sobel edge detect
[17:11:55] <CaptHindsight> http://imagebin.org/309199 0.004" (100um) gap with Sobel
[17:12:11] <SpeedEvil> IchGuckLive: yeah - .2s of latency isn't really a big issue for doin gthat though
[17:12:14] <CaptHindsight> http://imagebin.org/308971 hole #28 in this pic is http://imagebin.org/309193
[17:12:41] <CaptHindsight> http://imagebin.org/309105 ~100um gap, Sobel again
[17:13:05] <IchGuckLive> SpeedEvil: did you see our list of harware to be prefered
[17:13:12] <SpeedEvil> No.
[17:13:38] <CaptHindsight> edge detection, center finding, auto ZERO, defect detection, can be manual or automated
[17:13:50] <IchGuckLive> SpeedEvil: http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?Latency-Test
[17:14:22] <tjtr33> i'm repairing a brushed dc drive, has dbl hbridge with 8 pc IRFP250.
[17:14:23] <tjtr33> single sheet insulator ripped off heatsink. what material to use for replacement?
[17:14:27] <CaptHindsight> camera/vision based measurement also seems popular
[17:14:35] <SpeedEvil> tjtr33: you can get sheet insulator
[17:14:53] <tjtr33> yes what material, several listed from copper to kapton
[17:14:55] <SpeedEvil> tjtr33: either mica - which is a transparent somewhat fragile rigid, or silicone based ones
[17:15:06] <SpeedEvil> tjtr33: what did the original one look like
[17:15:18] <CaptHindsight> tjtr33: electrically insulating or not?
[17:15:20] <tjtr33> grey floppy rubber < .101 thx
[17:15:44] <CaptHindsight> ah you can buy those in pads or sheets
[17:15:45] <tjtr33> < .010 ;)
[17:15:48] <SpeedEvil> http://uk.farnell.com/bergquist/spa1500-0-010-00-4-4/sil-pad-a1500-010-4-x4-sheet/dp/8783667
[17:16:13] <tjtr33> thx, usa tho, wondering what the material is called at digikey
[17:16:27] <CaptHindsight> berquist silpad
[17:16:37] <SpeedEvil> Wait - that's conductive?
[17:16:37] <tjtr33> hokay silpad is it thx
[17:16:46] <tjtr33> not conductive i hope
[17:16:55] <CaptHindsight> http://www.bergquistcompany.com/thermal_materials/sil-pad.htm
[17:17:01] <tjtr33> well thermally conductive, elet insulative
[17:17:11] <CaptHindsight> they have either
[17:17:12] <SpeedEvil> Ah
[17:17:20] <SpeedEvil> Farnell seem to have typoed.
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[17:17:28] <SpeedEvil> '10 ohms' vs 10^11 ohms
[17:17:46] <CaptHindsight> same thing :)
[17:18:01] <tjtr33> i got XZ&C running on my cnc edm :)
[17:18:06] <CaptHindsight> Danger 1,000,000 OHMS!
[17:18:20] <tjtr33> danger high resistance!
[17:18:55] <CaptHindsight> we had that sign on a door
[17:19:03] <CaptHindsight> to keep people out
[17:20:06] <tjtr33> i hope i can append the digikey order, forgot the dang insulators
[17:20:21] <CaptHindsight> I have before it ships
[17:20:36] <tjtr33> cool thx
[17:20:42] <CaptHindsight> Enco ships seconds after you order
[17:21:26] <CaptHindsight> even by truck it shows up the next a.m.
[17:21:58] <ReadError> too bad enco's site blows
[17:22:08] <ReadError> otherwise I would actually shop there
[17:22:31] <FrankZappa> Loetmichel from what I've skimmed, it seems MJPEG is the lower-latency codec without hardware solutions
[17:23:00] <CaptHindsight> tjtr33: http://www.digikey.com/product-search/en?lang=en&KeyWords=Graphite%20Sheets
[17:23:05] <CaptHindsight> as another option
[17:25:26] <tjtr33> thx, but i dont understand graphite as an electrical insulator ( i make electrode outta that) nor as a thermal transmitter ( same reason )
[17:25:44] <CaptHindsight> depends on the blend
[17:26:08] <CaptHindsight> they use oriented graphite in a polymer
[17:26:16] <tjtr33> isotropic
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[17:26:48] <CaptHindsight> gesundheit
[17:26:54] <tjtr33> but i gonna cop out and use the silpad ( cuz i can bake on it too :)
[17:27:39] <SpeedEvil> Graphite is not an inductor
[17:27:40] <CaptHindsight> it's actually non-isotropic
[17:27:41] <SpeedEvil> err
[17:27:44] <SpeedEvil> insulator
[17:27:46] * SpeedEvil is not awake
[17:28:18] <SpeedEvil> It's overwhelmingly likely that if there are 8 transistors on a heatsink, with a thermal pad - that that thermal pad is there as an insulaotr
[17:28:32] <SpeedEvil> And putting a graphite pad on there will make it explode.
[17:28:38] <CaptHindsight> they aren't solid graphite, but when they also say graphite it depends on the particles, they may be coated so they are not good conductors
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[17:29:18] <CaptHindsight> big particles with small electrically insulating gaps between them still make for good thermal conductors
[17:29:46] <CaptHindsight> that's the fun of making composites
[17:29:52] <SpeedEvil> Sure.
[17:30:02] * SpeedEvil keeps meaning to make some nice AlC composite
[17:30:10] <CaptHindsight> how to blend things together to get the qualities you want
[17:31:53] <tjtr33> found a roll of old school TO-3's sticky back rubbery insulators, several meters, useless for this tho, the leg holes might conduct
[17:32:26] <CaptHindsight> fill them with silicone
[17:33:07] <CaptHindsight> how thick are they?
[17:33:26] <tjtr33> ~.010
[17:33:56] <tjtr33> yeah silicone goop would work and keep the pcs in place during assy
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[17:34:18] <CaptHindsight> what i would do and then just check the temp under load
[17:34:18] <tjtr33> ok, free & on hand wins
[17:34:33] <CaptHindsight> how big is the heatsink that they mount to?
[17:34:51] <tjtr33> 2"x1"x8"
[17:35:01] <tjtr33> 1"fins
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[17:37:22] <CaptHindsight> I'd only be concerned where the thermal margin is minimal like a cpu and cheap heatsink fan
[17:42:52] <tjtr33> http://imagebin.org/309395 http://imagebin.org/309394 http://imagebin.org/309393
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[17:43:41] <zeeshan> nice vise
[17:43:41] <zeeshan> !
[17:43:47] <zeeshan> looks like a wilton
[17:43:51] <zeeshan> or york
[17:43:53] <tjtr33> in edm the drive basically hold position, i've never felt heat in a drive
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[17:44:01] <CaptHindsight> did they all tear?
[17:44:20] <CaptHindsight> the insulators for each or was it one big pad?
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[17:44:51] <tjtr33> just the one, the one that covers 11 devices ( 8 fets, 3 vregs)
[17:45:51] <tjtr33> zeeshan, dunno but has great copper wrap around jaw protrects from Palatine Il
[17:46:00] <zeeshan> :]
[17:46:10] <tjtr33> like bra s
[17:46:16] <tjtr33> like a bra
[17:48:12] <CaptHindsight> they did a nice job of fitting as much heatsink into the area as they could
[17:48:21] <tjtr33> gonna remove the C from the cfg , move C drv into Y , then debug further with XYZ machine ( no c for now )
[17:48:42] <CaptHindsight> thats about the ideal fin spacing for natural convection
[17:49:35] <tjtr33> machine is by CHMER ( CHing HUng Machine and Elec Research) not Khmer Rouge as its detractors claimed
[17:50:23] <CaptHindsight> heh
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[17:53:37] <tjtr33> thx bbl
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[18:04:11] <IchGuckLive> im off BYE
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[19:03:32] <obix1> hello, could someone here direct me to a source of information on repairing my vertical mill ways?
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[19:05:10] <jdh> www.google.com ?
[19:05:30] <obix1> lol. umm thx, been there for the past few daze
[19:05:38] <jdh> guess that was too easy.
[19:05:45] <jdh> what is wrong with your ways
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[19:06:10] <obix1> my Y-axis is hourglass shaped and I need to straighten it out
[19:06:18] <obix1> it binds at the extreems
[19:06:31] <obix1> and is loose in the middle
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[19:06:42] <jdh> just worn in the middle?
[19:06:49] <obix1> I believe so
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[19:07:05] <_methods> what kind of mill?
[19:07:20] <obix1> it's just a small Sieg X2
[19:07:23] <jdh> scrape the non-worn parts down to match the worn?
[19:07:45] <jdh> I would think those would die before wearing too much
[19:07:59] <_methods> probably came that way
[19:08:02] <obix1> i've worked it with seating compond which helped but didn't solve
[19:08:31] <obix1> I've got a lot of hours on it,
[19:08:46] <_methods> time to scrape
[19:08:49] <_methods> or remachine
[19:08:52] <jdh> are you sure it is the ways that are bad?
[19:08:56] <obix1> my steppers are 24v/ 305's which may be a little weak
[19:09:12] <obix1> but should still run it without play
[19:09:14] <_methods> you sure your gibs are right
[19:09:26] <obix1> how do you me 'right'?
[19:09:29] <jdh> have you replaced the stock crappy wyas?
[19:09:32] <archivist> obix1, I recommend a book called Machine tool reconditioning and applications of hand scraping Edward F. Connelly Machine Tool Publications, try to find a second hand copy
[19:09:48] <_methods> hehe yeah scraping......fun
[19:09:55] <archivist> :)
[19:09:55] <jdh> you could probably buy a new x2 base cheaper
[19:10:01] <obix1> thank you archivist!
[19:10:18] <archivist> and a bit of filing for badly worn cases
[19:10:30] <obix1> I think the bad area is the underside of the dovetail
[19:10:33] <archivist> or take to a grinding company
[19:11:03] <obix1> so scrape, file or grind ?
[19:11:09] <_methods> man that bed is so small if you're patient and attentive you can stone or scrape it pretty easy
[19:11:39] <obix1> ok thx, what would be a good stone to use
[19:12:03] <archivist> obix1, all of those methods, can be used in combination too
[19:12:23] <jdh> what mfg label is on teh mill?
[19:12:29] <obix1> should I try measureing it as I go, or just check for fit
[19:12:37] <obix1> it's a Harbor Freight
[19:12:40] <archivist> measure as well
[19:12:58] <obix1> with micrometer and steel dowels?
[19:13:17] <archivist> you can easily make the machine out of square if you dont measure properly
[19:14:11] <obix1> I've so far only found 1 youtube video addressing the issue, and so far nothing on google but it MUST be there...
[19:14:14] <jdh> http://littlemachineshop.com/products/product_view.php?ProductID=1421&category=
[19:14:20] <jdh> buy one of thsoe
[19:14:29] <obix1> ok thx jdh!
[19:14:38] <jdh> or see if grizzly has one cheaper
[19:14:39] <obix1> I like his site a lot too.
[19:14:55] <_methods> it's a dying art
[19:15:28] <_methods> along with dying artists lol
[19:15:35] <obix1> sweet, I think i'll break the mill down tomorrow and give it a try
[19:15:58] <_methods> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-Sharpening-Honing-Stone-Very-Large-2-Sided-12-by-2-7-8-by-1-3-8-/181375569281
[19:16:02] <obix1> any idea of what an acceptable tollerence would be?
[19:16:14] <_methods> i have a big stone like that
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[19:16:44] <Deejay> re
[19:16:48] <obix1> nice, i'd need a shaped stone for the dovetail though right?
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[19:18:03] <_methods> yeah or thin stone
[19:18:33] <archivist> the book with specs is Testing machine tools 8th edition for the use of machine tool makers, users, inspectors and plant engineers G Schlesinger Pergamon Press
[19:18:40] <_methods> how far out are your ways?
[19:19:16] <obix1> i'm guessing in the neighborhood of 10 thousandths
[19:19:59] <_methods> jesus
[19:20:34] <obix1> i can't say for sure as I haven't mic'd them yet...
[19:20:37] <archivist> we are hearing some horror stories in here with some of the machines
[19:20:50] <witnit> its sad ;(
[19:20:59] <witnit> so much wasted time on such machines
[19:21:28] <obix1> lol, i'd love a Bridgeport, someday when I have the cash...
[19:21:54] <_methods> well if you have room for a bridgeport you'd have been better off getting that
[19:21:55] <witnit> from what I heard you basicly have to rework the machines since they are bad when they come out of the crate
[19:22:05] <witnit> bridgport is cheap to come by
[19:22:13] <_methods> bridgeport is not much more than an x2
[19:22:17] <obix1> i have a stone for doing wood files, would it work
[19:22:48] <obix1> a regular sharpening stone, looks like the eBay one
[19:23:08] <witnit> you could probably do it with a belt sander and get closer than china had it (not seiours, dont do this) :P
[19:23:12] <_methods> that's up to you, if you know you can take surface off evenly
[19:23:13] <witnit> serious*
[19:23:41] <obix1> a belt sander eh, sounds faster
[19:23:44] <obix1> :D
[19:23:44] <witnit> hahaha nooooooo
[19:23:47] <witnit> jokes hokes
[19:23:49] <witnit> jokes*
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[19:23:57] <_methods> there should be nothing fast about what you are about to do
[19:24:12] <_methods> scraping and straightening ways is time consuming
[19:24:26] <witnit> yep
[19:24:32] <_methods> unless you have years of experience
[19:24:49] <obix1> I think i'll start with the best messurements I can get then ink it and scrap... many times
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[19:25:24] <archivist> check you are not producing a well fitting curve
[19:25:37] <obix1> i worked on scraping a Gingery lathe a while back, I'm assuming it will be similar
[19:25:50] <witnit> which model do you have obix1
[19:25:56] <obix1> Sieg X2
[19:26:23] <obix1> I've outgrown it, so I want to get it working smoothly before selling
[19:26:34] <witnit> good of you
[19:26:58] <obix1> probably next step will be G0704
[19:27:06] <obix1> or similar
[19:27:38] <obix1> hossmachine makes them look pretty cool
[19:28:08] <archivist> hoss makes anything else look ok :)
[19:28:32] <witnit> I would suggest that you consider stepping up to industrial grade components whenever possible.
[19:29:37] <witnit> If you are willing to shop around you can spend less and in the long run you will spend more time creating and less time repairing
[19:30:39] <obix1> true, i haven't found much surplus in Montana where I live
[19:31:00] <witnit> understandable
[19:31:54] <obix1> is it possible to get a decent bridgeport for $2000-2500 ?
[19:32:00] <witnit> yes
[19:32:08] <witnit> you can get a very good machine for that cost
[19:32:25] <obix1> what model would you recommend?
[19:32:41] <witnit> what do you plan to do with it?
[19:32:45] <witnit> cnc, or manual
[19:32:50] <obix1> cnc
[19:33:06] <obix1> I mechine a lot of my aluminum castings
[19:34:34] <witnit> just make sure you get one that has a variable speed motor control and always keep your eye out for a pneumatic collet quick change unit.
[19:34:43] <witnit> rpm control*
[19:35:01] <obix1> ok thx good info
[19:35:10] <obix1> tool changer would be awesome!
[19:35:11] <witnit> unless you intend to put a servo on the spindle
[19:35:27] <witnit> well its not a tool changer just a quick pneumatic collet loosener
[19:35:27] <obix1> well bigger is better..
[19:35:42] <obix1> thx for the help and advise, it's very much appreciated, I'll be back later, gotta get kids to dentist
[19:35:57] <witnit> :) wishes for no cavitys good luck1
[19:35:59] <witnit> !
[19:36:06] <obix1> thx laters
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[19:39:53] <Jymmm> fuck me, and cheerios too http://www.abc27.com/story/25433201/smartie-snorting-caught-in-york-county-school
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[19:46:18] <tjb1> Jymmm: Let me guess, they are going to blame the show Breaking Bad for being a bad influence on children
[19:46:35] <_methods> awesome
[19:46:48] <_methods> i knew there had to be a better way to get smarties into my system
[19:46:58] <tjb1> Didn't take long "I am NOT supporting these kids BUT, they see this in movies on TV and maybe even family members. "
[19:47:08] <tjb1> How about you be a fucking responsible parent instead of blaming TV
[19:47:37] <Jymmm> I blame the parents for not whooping thee shit of of the kids for such dumbassness
[19:49:21] <tjb1> Jymmm: Did you ever fix your gas tank?
[19:49:24] <_methods> ahh those were the days.......bangin out mountains of smartie dust
[19:49:56] <Jymmm> WHACK Why WHACK do WHACK you WHACK act WHACK so WHACK stupid WHACK WHACK WHACK
[19:51:24] <_methods> someone's gotta make the burgers
[19:54:16] <tjb1> Jymmm: do you need help with fuel tank
[19:54:41] <Jymmm> tjb1: No, changed long ago
[19:54:53] <tjb1> :)
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[20:29:06] <Swapper_> Hi, anyone cant help me with a error message i get? http://pastebin.com/yhMXikGK i get the error "k word missing with g33" and the spindle dont stop spinning.
[20:29:34] <Swapper_> im using the HSMWORKS emc post to generate the code
[20:30:25] <_methods> g33?
[20:30:34] <Swapper_> yea rigid tapping
[20:30:38] <_methods> ah
[20:30:50] <_methods> are you missing a flag
[20:31:02] <Swapper_> http://www.linuxcnc.org/docs/2.4/html/gcode_main.html#sec:G33.1-Rigid-Tapping
[20:31:10] <_methods> sounds like you need a # for k
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[20:31:32] <Swapper_> i have? its 1
[20:31:33] <Swapper_> G33.1 Z-0.750 K0.05
[20:31:37] <Swapper_> for an exampel
[20:31:40] <Swapper_> example
[20:31:54] <Swapper_> and mine is G33.1 Z-11. K1.
[20:32:18] <Swapper_> the example is in inches i guess mine in mm
[20:32:19] <witnit> _methods 4200 parts, and had to regrind
[20:32:26] <_methods> wow nice
[20:32:39] <witnit> im impressed :)
[20:32:57] <witnit> swapper is it possible for one axis to be in IN and the other MM?
[20:33:12] <Swapper_> no ?
[20:33:17] <witnit> haha
[20:33:32] <_methods> is it exceeding your machine velocity?
[20:33:38] <_methods> at your spindle speed
[20:34:10] <Swapper_> dont think so becuse when i tried it before with only the g33.1 and ran silly speeds it faulted.
[20:34:11] <witnit> have you tried other examples with any success?
[20:34:14] <micges> Swapper_: what linuxcnc version?
[20:34:18] <Swapper_> but i can try with a real slow
[20:34:27] <Swapper_> micges: latest version via apt-get
[20:34:32] <Swapper_> updated it 10 min a go
[20:35:12] <cradek> Swapper_: if it doesn't give you the expected pitch, your spindle encoder's scaling is wrong
[20:35:53] <Swapper_> the problem is that it posts a big fat red error message saying "k word missing with g33"
[20:36:02] <Swapper_> and then the spindle keeps rotating
[20:36:23] <cradek> well if you're tapping you should be using g33.1
[20:36:50] <Swapper_> the error message says k word missing with g33/g33.1 so its generic
[20:36:51] <Swapper_> sorry
[20:36:51] <cradek> that error message means just what it says - you're calling g33 without a k word, which is an error
[20:37:01] <Swapper_> but im not!
[20:37:09] <Swapper_> http://pastebin.com/yhMXikGK < k=1
[20:37:28] <Swapper_> i have tried removing the . (dots)
[20:37:30] <Swapper_> no change
[20:37:41] <Swapper_> does it have to have a ending 0 ?
[20:37:58] <Swapper_> like G33.1 Z-11. K1.0
[20:38:59] <cradek> you're looking at the wrong line
[20:39:10] <cradek> the error is N85 Z5.
[20:40:07] <cradek> it probably meant N85 G0 Z5.
[20:40:12] <Swapper_> hum guess thats not a valid one :)
[20:40:23] <witnit> ha still stuck in other g mode
[20:40:27] <witnit> good eye cradek :)
[20:41:24] <Swapper_> ill try !
[20:41:25] <Swapper_> ty
[20:42:06] <cradek> yay, welcome
[20:44:18] <Swapper_> works perfectly !
[20:44:26] <Swapper_> typ vm
[20:44:33] <Swapper_> thanks
[20:44:57] <Swapper_> but that means that the post in HSMWORKS is broken
[20:45:03] <cradek> sure
[20:45:08] <cradek> posts are always broken when you get them :-)
[20:45:36] <Deejay> gn8
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[20:50:00] <tjtr33> lawn mow, fence paint, post fix ( programming in forth by leo brodie )
[20:59:34] <gene78> hello guys, inch vs mm problem
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[21:00:49] <gene78> about 2 years back, i did some mteric threads with g76, by specifying all metric includeing diamter and length units in the code header
[21:03:29] <gene78> worked just fine. but now i do the same thing in the latest 2.5.4, and every move is wonky. i bent the screw, as it crawled overr the top of the tool, pushed the tailstock back about 1/4 inch out of the center drill, and broke two corners off a $30+ carbide chip.
[21:04:21] <gene78> so, i guess i have to rewrite the ini file in all mm measurements. but the 64 dollar question is why?
[21:05:09] <JT-Shop> you might have mixed up the units in the preamble or something like that
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[21:06:26] <gene78> g7g21 - to start, axis gains need to be multiplied by what to go from inches to mm?
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[21:08:05] <JT-Shop> that doesn't make any sense, you can freely switch between metric and imperial threads
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[21:09:09] <JT-Shop> I cut both metric and inch threads from the same ngcgui subroutine
[21:09:12] <JT-Shop> bbl\
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[21:09:58] <gene78> but in the manual i don't find a gmode to switch the x measurements
[21:10:14] <gene78> from inch to mm, bummer
[21:10:41] <gene78> g20-g21 only effect thew z motion it says.
[21:13:21] <gene78> but even that is screwed up, the first move is to drive_line diamter, looks good, next move z to thread start at 46mm, which runs it to 18 displayed in metric?
[21:15:58] <micges> gene78: show some gcode
[21:21:09] <gene78> i don't see a copy paste in konversation?
[21:21:41] <micges> use pastebin.com
[21:24:15] <gene78> do i have to create an account?
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[21:25:40] <gene78> it isn't letting me search for the file to submit
[21:27:42] <tjtr33> open in your editor, ^A, ^C, then in pastebin 'paste here' frame, ^V
[21:27:58] <gene78> trying to sign up, it doesn't like my username WTF?
[21:28:31] <tjtr33> i never signed up, i use it w/o
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[21:28:34] <CaptHindsight> http://www.pastebin.ca/ no sign up required
[21:29:10] <gene78> Good, pastebin.com always was a PITA
[21:29:14] <tjtr33> http://pastebin.com/m2jRe6Y4
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[21:31:53] <gene78> looks like it sent, but no index returned
[21:33:35] <CaptHindsight> who makes the cheapest microcontroller board with >24 IO's? The duinos are all pricey for practically no power or IO's
[21:33:55] <PCW> STM discovery
[21:34:21] <CaptHindsight> yeah, several under $10
[21:35:06] <PCW> ~$10 for 72 MHZ floating point ARM with 4x 5 MS/sec 12 bit A-Ds
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[21:35:46] <gene78> Repeated send, did show text before submit this time, but still no link returned.
[21:35:49] <PCW> 100 pin chip
[21:36:19] <CaptHindsight> http://www.st.com/web/en/catalog/tools/FM116/SC959/SS1532/PF250863#
[21:36:30] <PCW> ~80 I/O
[21:36:33] <gene78> goes to index.php, with blank screen.
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[21:37:52] <tjtr33> same for me gene, while pastenbin.com simply works. is copy & paste a deal breaker?
[21:37:52] <gene78> Is my FF-20 busted?
[21:38:02] <tjtr33> ff20 here too
[21:38:11] <gene78> code is not on this machine
[21:38:59] <gene78> i don't recall that i have ever been able to use the com version
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[21:40:00] <gene78> I can access it by an email insert, so I'll go to the house & send it to the list, however broken it may be.
[21:42:40] <PCW> http://www.st.com/web/en/catalog/tools/FM116/SC959/SS1532/PF254044
[21:42:41] <PCW> quite a bit nicer (with mems etc)
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[21:48:48] <witnit> pastebin with less ads? https://gist.github.com/
[21:50:21] <CaptHindsight> PCW: ever use the open source dev tools with them?
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[21:56:15] <cpresser> CaptHindsight: there is a nice gnu toolchain for those. use libopencm3 :)
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[21:58:45] <CaptHindsight> ah UWE's old project
[21:59:00] <CaptHindsight> was libopenstm32
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[21:59:31] <CaptHindsight> uwe_: ^^
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[22:14:31] <PCW> looking at em:blocks or just bare compiler Not using STM chips yet but will use in new designs
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[22:20:46] <uwe_> yup, it's called libopencm3 now. I haven't been active in its development for some time now, mostly busy with sigrok these days
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