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[00:25:23] <somenewguy> question on putting a 4th axis on my mill
[00:25:34] <Meduza> yes?
[00:25:39] <somenewguy> what is the typical sign conventionand axis naming?
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[00:26:07] <somenewguy> obviously I can doit however I want, but if there is a "normal" way of doing it Id rather try and coform
[00:26:30] <somenewguy> like should A rotate normal to X travel or Y travel etc
[00:26:31] <Meduza> If the 4th is a classic rotary axis mounted in paralell with the X axis i would call it a A axis
[00:26:49] <Meduza> on a classic mill type machine
[00:26:54] <somenewguy> ok
[00:27:14] <somenewguy> so traveling in the X direction would move you towards or away from the face of the rotary plate
[00:27:19] <somenewguy> if it were the A axis
[00:27:41] <somenewguy> I would take it B would be off the Y and C off the Z?
[00:28:09] <somenewguy> notthatthethird location would actually add any utility to a cnc mill
[00:28:44] <Meduza> yeah
[00:31:22] <somenewguy> ok cool
[00:32:34] <somenewguy> now I just need to find my stash of DE-9 connectors and I'll have a 4 axis mill
[00:33:04] <somenewguy> just got some din rail so I can actually mount my misc components inside my controls box, good by zip ties, hello almost professional looking
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[00:40:02] <jdh> machine built wheels. I think the rim tape is manual though
[00:40:36] <jdh> <urk>
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[00:44:15] <andypugh> jdh: I can’t help speculating. Machine-built sounds like bicycle wheels. Rim tape (manual) sounds like motorcycle (cast) wheels. Except for the rim liner tape on bicycle wheels, but I don’t knw why that would be notably manual or machine.
[00:45:36] <andypugh> I made a wheel building stand today, hopefully the post office has the spokes. Odd wheel, 50mm through the bearing.
[00:45:40] <jdh> had 3 flats before I noticed the rim liner (bicycle) was not centered on one part. someone asked who built the (faulty) wheels.
[00:46:29] <andypugh> I had some Shimano rims that needed a strong cloth tape to bridge the nipple holes.
[00:47:19] <jdh> this tape is fine, it was just not in the right place.
[00:47:55] <andypugh> A new departure for the wheel I will build tomorrow, beaded rim.
[00:48:13] <andypugh> Bits of the tyre itself act as rim tape.
[00:48:31] <andypugh> Sorry, “beaded edge”
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[00:50:58] <andypugh> http://www.northhantstyres.com/faq-tyres.html
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[01:00:14] <jdh> looks like a nice design, but heavy and more expensive
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[01:12:23] <andypugh> There is no strong bead loop, they do actually fall off sometimes, which is almost never a good thing. But as the Ner-a-Car has only 3hp that’s probably not too much of a worry.
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[02:26:47] <witnit> I need some more high production turning jobs to quote, my machines are getting bored.
[02:27:12] <toastyde2th> wut
[02:27:18] <toastyde2th> how high is high production
[02:27:20] <toastyde2th> 10k parts a month?
[02:27:27] <witnit> 10,000 is good
[02:27:31] <witnit> 100,000 is better
[02:27:46] <toastyde2th> screw machine shop?
[02:27:49] <witnit> yup
[02:27:53] <witnit> acmes, and davenports
[02:28:02] <witnit> some single spindles hanging out too
[02:28:06] <toastyde2th> always wanted to run an acme
[02:28:14] <toastyde2th> never got the chance
[02:28:26] <witnit> well, bring a job with you and you can run mine
[02:28:33] <toastyde2th> hahaha
[02:28:35] <witnit> :)
[02:28:50] <witnit> you ever ran other multispindles?
[02:28:51] <XXCoder> bored enough to make sweet titanium pen for me? lol
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[02:29:03] <witnit> 100,000 titanium pens?
[02:29:12] <XXCoder> sure if still free
[02:29:18] <witnit> ill check with nasa
[02:29:22] <XXCoder> lol
[02:29:34] <witnit> grants and all
[02:29:57] <XXCoder> I'd be surpised if it worked
[02:30:00] <witnit> I hear they have some ussr spacejunk they are planning to gravitate
[02:30:09] <witnit> Ohhh..... too soon?>
[02:31:55] <XXCoder> lol
[02:33:07] <witnit> I really like this 7i90, I think I want another one.
[02:33:37] <XXCoder> whats it
[02:34:56] <witnit> one of the mesa cards with three 50 pin connectors and it has serial and epp printer port options
[02:37:22] <toastyde2th> witnit, never
[02:38:06] <toastyde2th> ran some lathes but never more than 200 parts in a run
[02:38:32] <toastyde2th> job shop type stuff
[02:38:56] <toastyde2th> mostly chucker crap, from about 1"x3" to 20"x20"
[02:39:01] <witnit> ohh, toasty, imagine pumping out a brass compression sleeve every .8 seconds
[02:39:27] <witnit> just bangin em out =D
[02:39:34] <toastyde2th> i've seen em run, just wished i could learn setup
[02:39:51] <witnit> its not too bad, in fact the more spindles and tooling, the easier
[02:40:52] <toastyde2th> my co-worker used to run a multispindle, he made artillery fuzes
[02:41:00] <toastyde2th> 4"x8"
[02:41:37] <witnit> you may have to set three different chamfer tools up but you only ever are working on one spindle at a time so its like, setting up three small lathes instead of 3 things on one lathe
[02:41:42] <witnit> :)
[02:41:51] <toastyde2th> i got out of machining and went back into IT after like 3/4 years
[02:41:51] <toastyde2th> so
[02:42:21] <witnit> yeah, I dont like getting too dirty anymore
[02:42:52] <witnit> I prefer to get a little dirty on a setup and let the other guys keep them loaded
[02:43:01] <toastyde2th> yeah
[02:43:05] <toastyde2th> that was the one thing i didn't like
[02:43:44] <toastyde2th> the stuff we did was mostly our own product, so there wasn't enough programming and drawing work for me to do those things dedicated
[02:44:09] <toastyde2th> kinda dumb, actually - we had just as many machinists as machines, no operators
[02:44:14] <toastyde2th> kinda dumb way to run a shop but whatever
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[02:51:01] <witnit>
[02:51:27] <witnit> noisy during machine time
[02:52:44] <witnit> I ran miles of steel through that machine
[02:52:49] <witnit> MILES
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[02:53:48] <witnit> quickly too, something like 8" every 5 seconds
[02:54:08] <toastyde2th> hahaha
[02:54:37] <witnit> Its hard to pay for a good machinist
[02:54:46] <witnit> they are quite valued
[02:56:09] <witnit> and one thing I learned is a good machinist can make good parts on bad machines and bad machinists will make bad parts on good machines.
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[02:59:46] <cradek> that's two things
[03:00:14] <cradek> (#3: really bad machinists can make bad machines out of good machines)
[03:03:54] <PetefromTn_> Well pretty happy guy here fellas...
[03:04:25] <PetefromTn_> I just got back from Knoxvegas.
[03:04:37] <XXCoder> as a winner? lok
[03:04:46] <PetefromTn_> Went to look at some tools a retiring machinist was selling.
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[03:04:57] <PetefromTn_> He had some GOODIES in there...
[03:05:03] <PetefromTn_> ;)
[03:05:22] <XXCoder> ah you cured your light wallet syndome eh
[03:05:28] <XXCoder> er HEAVY wallet
[03:05:46] <PetefromTn_> He had a BUNCH of stuff I would like to have gotten but I did not have enough cash.
[03:06:04] <PetefromTn_> But what I did get I think I got GREAT deals on.
[03:06:47] <PetefromTn_> I got a BRAND NEW in the box Mitutoyo 8" coolant proof digital caliper complete with battery, certs everything never been used.
[03:07:12] <PetefromTn_> I got a nice condition Brown and Sharp best test DTI .0005
[03:07:29] <PetefromTn_> I got a decent 0-3
[03:07:37] <PetefromTn_> depth micrometer I have been needing.
[03:08:06] <PetefromTn_> I also got a bunch of cool DTI indicator holders for mounting in and on the spindle
[03:08:31] <PetefromTn_> I got a couple nice condition vise stops that clamp on the jaws,
[03:08:57] <PetefromTn_> I got a brand new pistol grip air nozzle like comes on the Haas machines for my Cincinatti.
[03:09:19] <PetefromTn_> I got a brand new bottle of Diekem and tap magic
[03:09:34] <witnit> tap magic
[03:09:45] <PetefromTn_> some nice old lathe inside calipers
[03:09:45] <witnit> that stuff is like gold
[03:09:53] <PetefromTn_> yup its good stuff.
[03:10:00] <XXCoder> nice
[03:10:11] <witnit> so you took pictures right? :)
[03:10:13] <XXCoder> not sure what half those stuff is but sounds nice lol
[03:10:20] <PetefromTn_> a couple other things I cannot think of right now.
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[03:10:44] <PetefromTn_> Got it all for $200.00
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[03:11:03] <XXCoder> oh today was my first day at machinist shop job
[03:11:13] <XXCoder> wow, I saw the largest surface ever
[03:11:15] <PetefromTn_> sweet man how did it go?
[03:11:22] <XXCoder> It must have been 6' by 10'
[03:11:31] <XXCoder> I can't imange how much it was
[03:11:33] <PetefromTn_> no pictures yet just got back home
[03:12:09] <toastyde2th> how thick was it
[03:12:15] <PetefromTn_> I am pretty sure that 8" brand new Mitutoyo coolant proof caliper costs more than what I paid for everything.
[03:12:18] <XXCoder> but yeah mostly boring stuff like videos orention and such. i'll start on assembling wire holders so not too fancy. I do want to evenually train on cnc machines there.
[03:12:29] <XXCoder> toastyde2th: looked like 8 inches, but I was pretty far off it
[03:12:45] <toastyde2th> 10-15k
[03:13:10] <XXCoder> hm was thinking around car-ish (more fancy) prices lol like 30k
[03:13:24] <toastyde2th> nah, big granite doesn't cost a ton if it's thin
[03:13:34] <toastyde2th> usually big plates like that will be feet thick
[03:13:44] <XXCoder> it could be, I was more than 15 feet away
[03:13:48] <toastyde2th> we had a plate that was 5x12 or so, but it was 4' tall
[03:13:56] <XXCoder> so my eyeball has around 20% error rate
[03:14:12] <XXCoder> whoa thats hella thick
[03:14:25] <toastyde2th> ya, big plates need to be thick so you can put heavy parts on em
[03:14:42] <toastyde2th> something that size that's only a foot thick will bend a lot
[03:14:53] <toastyde2th> most shops are fine with this because they're not dropping parts that weigh a ton
[03:15:01] <toastyde2th> it's usually just awkwardly sized stuff
[03:15:17] <XXCoder> it looked like it had massive amount of support
[03:15:31] <XXCoder> like it'd hold up couple tons
[03:15:33] <toastyde2th> it does, but that doesn't help the accuracy because of the type of support it has
[03:15:35] <PetefromTn_> http://www.penntoolco.com/catalog/products/products.cfm?categoryID=6988 that is the caliper I got...
[03:15:37] <XXCoder> but then what do I know
[03:15:39] <toastyde2th> the issue is not "is it supported"
[03:15:46] <toastyde2th> the issue is "does the reference surface move when you add load"
[03:15:48] <PetefromTn_> the 8" hardened jaws model brand new in box.
[03:16:01] <XXCoder> nice pete :)
[03:16:21] <XXCoder> considering that alone covers half of $200 you used
[03:16:37] <toastyde2th> if you pay for a plate to be AA grade or whatevs, it's a waste of money if the plate goes out of spec because the part weight makes the table concave
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[03:16:48] <PetefromTn_> yeah I am pretty pleased....
[03:16:50] <XXCoder> makes sense
[03:17:27] <XXCoder> I'm glad I dont need all that much precision. I hope my cnc reaches around 0.1 mm precision which is enough to learn
[03:17:39] <toastyde2th> you can buy AA grade plates that are tiny
[03:17:49] <toastyde2th> and they do just fine because you aren't able to fit a half-ton part on them
[03:17:59] <XXCoder> since I plan to make boxed gantry it probably would easily surpass that
[03:18:06] <toastyde2th> a 12x24 plate or thereabouts is like 200-300 brand new
[03:18:14] <XXCoder> interesting
[03:18:38] <PetefromTn_> http://www.ebay.com/itm/NEW-BROWN-SHARPE-BesTest-Dial-Test-Indicator-0005-0-15-0-599-7030-3-/191128084799 Thats the same indicator I got...
[03:19:21] <XXCoder> heh if I ever have plety money i wanna try make expoxy grinate
[03:19:27] <XXCoder> cant spell that word :P
[03:19:28] <toastyde2th> plate accuracy only gets expensive on larger plates because the laps they use to surface the plates start to get wavy at like 3"
[03:19:42] <toastyde2th> or rather will put a waviness in the plate at about 3'
[03:20:00] <toastyde2th> flattening a 24" plate is like hitting the side of a barn
[03:20:14] <toastyde2th> hard to miss
[03:21:38] <XXCoder> cool
[03:21:45] <PetefromTn_> http://www.mscdirect.com/product/01297076 Got one of these in there too...
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[03:25:59] <PetefromTn_> also got some of the indicol spindle mount holders too. I am like a kid at christmas here LOL..
[03:32:40] <PetefromTn_> Going to look at a Fowler set of depth mics tomorrow. They look brand new too. trying to get some decent quality tools here for my work. Tired of the chinese crap I have been using.
[03:33:31] <XXCoder> :
[03:33:33] <XXCoder> :)
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[03:35:25] <witnit> good for you pete, money well spent
[03:36:10] <PetefromTn_> Thanks man I have not had tools like this and it sure was nice to get a good deal.
[03:36:28] <PetefromTn_> looking at new prices on some of it I got a REAL good deal I think.
[03:36:47] <PetefromTn_> Still hurt to blow the money but as they say cry once and enjoy a quality tool for years.
[03:37:12] <toastyde2th> recommendation, get everything combination vernier and digital
[03:37:24] <toastyde2th> all my mics no matter what type have both
[03:37:32] <toastyde2th> (depth, internal, external)
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[03:38:27] <toastyde2th> but unless you buy mitutoyo or similar, the batteries will die constantly
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[03:39:09] <witnit> I have some carbide faced mitu digial calipers
[03:39:19] <witnit> digital*
[03:39:29] <witnit> but the digital part is broken..
[03:39:34] <toastyde2th> ya, mitutoyo calipers are really the only way to go
[03:39:47] <witnit> so, just carbide faced yardstick ;)
[03:39:53] <toastyde2th> lol
[03:39:55] <PetefromTn_> yeah that is what I got carbide faced coolant proof 8:
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[03:41:02] <witnit> oh nope, these are starret carbide faced
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[12:53:13] <Deejay> tag
[13:06:10] <Tom_itx> ur it
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[13:44:15] <Tom_itx> a bit OT but does anybody know a good database tool for android for access files?
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[13:51:14] <archivist> export to a sensible format first to avoid access format
[13:52:25] <Tom_itx> my old ipaq did that on import
[13:53:04] <Tom_itx> i have the flat file in dbase still but put it in access to get it to the mobile device
[13:56:45] <archivist> csv
[14:06:25] <Tom_itx> may look at queryz
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[14:16:08] <MrTrick> can anyone recommend a gcode-over-serial controller like the grbl, that also can drive a servo? I only need two axes, but I need a servo as well.
[14:16:23] <MrTrick> (and I need proper motion planning, so the eibotboard won't do)
[14:19:36] <Tom_itx> serial would be rather slow
[14:21:36] <MrTrick> In practice it's not, actually. I've used a grbl before for a previous version of the project, worked fine.
[14:21:50] <MrTrick> Unfortunately, the grbl software has no support for driving servos.
[14:22:15] <MrTrick> (and in that project I needed a whole separate board just for servo control)
[14:22:39] <pcw_home> add servo support to grbl...
[14:22:51] <MrTrick> That would be yak shaving.
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[14:24:18] <pcw_home> why? if grbl is otherwise OK it should be trivial
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[14:25:53] <MrTrick> because the software is quite complex, and there is apparently difficulty in making it fit the constraints of the (atmega328) hardware already.
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[14:26:38] <pcw_home> encoder/pwm is not much bigger the stepgens if at all
[14:26:47] <pcw_home> bigger than
[14:28:39] <pcw_home> on the other hand I would not choose a ATmega for anything current
[14:29:40] <pcw_home> port HAL/MOTION to a STM32F303...
[14:31:42] <pcw_home> 2x 3 phase PWMs 2x encoder interfaces 4x 5 MS/S A-D 72 MHz Arm with FP ~$3.00
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[14:33:36] <MrTrick> pcw_home: What are you optimising, though?
[14:34:27] <archivist> price
[14:34:32] <MrTrick> price of what though?
[14:34:47] <MrTrick> For most jobs, I charge $85 for one hour of my time. I'm not saving anyone money by spending hours and hours faffing about in software when I could just buy an extra controller for the servo.
[14:35:25] <MrTrick> It's only my desire for a clean design that makes me wonder whether an alternative to the grbl exists.
[14:35:26] <archivist> use linuxcnc on a pc and stop faffing about with toys like grbl
[14:36:43] <MrTrick> actually, this is not for any kind of machine tool. I just happen to need stepper motors and motion planning etc. Other than the need for servo control, grbl is in fact overkill, featurewise.
[14:37:40] <MrTrick> (and I wasn't aware of another CNC-related channel, I know #linuxcnc isn't the best place for the discussion)
[14:38:14] <archivist> the most configurable thing is linuxcnc which seems a requirement
[14:39:32] <Tom_itx> memento looks quite good too
[14:39:50] <Tom_itx> fwiw
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[14:44:09] <pcw_home> memento?
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[14:47:22] <Tom_itx> sql tool
[14:47:33] <Tom_itx> was asing earlier...
[14:48:00] <Tom_itx> 2 different threads
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[14:51:00] <pcw_home> ahh android database
[14:51:47] <Tom_itx> yep
[14:51:52] <Tom_itx> know of a better one?
[14:52:03] <pcw_home> no
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[14:55:13] <pcw_home> looks like sqlite is a standard built-in
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[15:13:38] <archivist> beware of junk http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/251488015366?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649
[15:14:32] <archivist> kid over the road got that as a speed controller, note the red wire nearest, that is - the black is +
[15:15:15] <XXCoder> mking sure that I remembered this correctly - red is "hot" or -
[15:15:22] <XXCoder> black is +, green is ground
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[15:15:54] <archivist> pcb is marked - but it has the red wire
[15:16:26] <archivist> luckily it did not let the smoke out
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[15:16:58] <XXCoder> ok. I definitely need to review standard coding before I wire up my cnc electric system
[15:17:11] <XXCoder> I dont want to redo if I get it wrong
[15:17:28] <archivist> the standards or ok just the chinese have yet to read them
[15:17:43] <XXCoder> they dont give two rice about it
[15:18:13] <XXCoder> I have seen ethernet cat5 wires with 2 different pair color. like purple
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[15:18:22] <XXCoder> was rom chinese product
[15:18:25] <XXCoder> from
[15:18:42] <archivist> the kid expected that to control his dc motor.....wtf
[15:21:57] <XXCoder> phase is what? + or -? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electrical_wiring
[15:23:35] <archivist> this is DC no phase involved
[15:23:56] <XXCoder> really? my powerbox for cnc has + and -
[15:24:09] <XXCoder> lemme look again
[15:24:54] <XXCoder> it has volt adjust screw, 3 +v, 3 -v, ground N and L
[15:25:16] <zq> what's wrong with grbl?
[15:27:21] <archivist> stepper only, small set of gcode, limited number of axes etc
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[15:29:23] <XXCoder> nice http://www.hobbycncaustralia.com/images/Instructions/11WireRelay/11aWireRelay.jpg
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[15:33:40] <XXCoder> http://www.hobbycncaustralia.com/Instructions/iI11wirerelay.htm I wonder where I could buy some of those parts
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[15:35:57] <IchGuckLive> hi all
[15:36:37] <IchGuckLive> B9 has been somthing spezial today i got 50 Abo at youtube 10times usesl days
[15:38:32] <XXCoder> hey ich
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[15:40:37] <IchGuckLive> ;-)
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[15:41:19] <XXCoder> heh I guess I still need to get more stuff. like crimped connectors
[15:41:40] <XXCoder> and somehow something to offset controller off surface so it dont let magic smoke out
[15:42:44] <IchGuckLive> on the tb6560
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[15:42:50] <XXCoder> yeah
[15:43:02] <IchGuckLive> i did modyfi all of them
[15:43:13] <IchGuckLive> the red ones are crazy
[15:43:37] <XXCoder> lots cheap ones http://www.ebay.com/bhp/emergency-stop-switch
[15:43:38] <IchGuckLive> blue ones got better but still a linit at speed
[15:44:00] <IchGuckLive> you shoudt go for 2USD L297 for testing firast
[15:44:22] <IchGuckLive> there you can break parts and not loosing money
[15:45:42] <XXCoder> what is those standoff parts called? screws that step up circuits off surface
[15:46:32] <IchGuckLive> pl distances
[15:46:59] <IchGuckLive> there are lots of with tread out in in out out out in in
[15:47:07] <IchGuckLive> or simply hole
[15:47:31] <XXCoder> heh for testing I might just go for cardboard box. not very conductive.
[15:48:34] <IchGuckLive> http://www.ebay.com/itm/3pcsx-L298N-double-dc-motor-driving-module-steering-gear-drive-plat-/261122141845?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3ccc17ae95
[15:48:48] <IchGuckLive> this shoudt be your testing drivers
[15:49:44] <IchGuckLive> XXCoder: where are you located in the north hemisphare
[15:49:47] <XXCoder> I has http://www.ebay.com/itm/3Axis-Nema23-Stepping-Motor-110N-cm-3-0A-4wire-board-TB6560-Power-for-CMC-mill-/281188392513?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item4178225e41
[15:49:54] <XXCoder> washington state
[15:50:56] <IchGuckLive> be carfull on that board power off all systems befor touching otherwise you got realy fast smoking parts
[15:51:10] <XXCoder> ok
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[15:52:56] <IchGuckLive> how far are you from seatel ?
[15:53:17] <XXCoder> seattle maybe 1.5 to 2 hours
[15:53:23] <XXCoder> dending on traffic
[15:53:31] <XXCoder> depending
[15:53:40] <IchGuckLive> oh the matec cccoperation got a open weekend on cnc mashining
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[15:54:42] <IchGuckLive> in total 17 employers on call
[15:54:57] <XXCoder> cool :)
[15:55:38] <IchGuckLive> seattle got 5 hobby electronic part shops you migt consider to take a off friday ride
[15:56:15] <XXCoder> probably. not soon though, my car has a failing tranmission, I don't want to risk it
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[15:58:58] <IchGuckLive> washington state has probable more worse public transporting then the USA itself
[15:59:18] <XXCoder> depends on area. seattle got great bus system
[15:59:28] <XXCoder> while most pother regions its not good at all
[15:59:36] <IchGuckLive> here in germany fast and ultra fast trains are running in 30min tackting
[15:59:58] <XXCoder> yeah thats why I own a car, bus system sucks
[16:00:34] <IchGuckLive> as we all told you start as low as you can a pime CNC is a CNC no matter what
[16:00:44] <IchGuckLive> and then spend money on your need
[16:01:22] <IchGuckLive> go make some money with it a DVD laser burner can give you a large professional CNC if you find good people
[16:01:38] <IchGuckLive> also a 3D printer is a gool for people like you
[16:01:58] <IchGuckLive> get ypoour ass moving and build a chees cutter
[16:02:17] <IchGuckLive> an 50-80 usd range
[16:02:27] <IchGuckLive> $
[16:02:32] <IchGuckLive> ;-)
[16:02:55] <humble_sea_bass> as you get better, everything you own starts to "suck"
[16:03:16] <XXCoder> lol
[16:03:51] <humble_sea_bass> its a vice with a C and a vise with an S on your wallet
[16:04:03] <IchGuckLive> humble_sea_bass: its a plesure to get more and better parts as time goes on
[16:04:33] <humble_sea_bass> it sure is, I just need one more fix man and I'l be level, just one more
[16:04:46] <humble_sea_bass> a bunch of addicts
[16:04:50] <XXCoder> yeah I hope to be able to uypgrade my cnc evenually
[16:05:40] <humble_sea_bass> you will, it is inevitable if you enjoy it
[16:05:47] <IchGuckLive> on me in 1981 it has been a Drill on large electronic on off controles knowone thout about it will end up as it now is
[16:06:10] <IchGuckLive> 1978 firs NC controleed unit at Boing
[16:06:38] <IchGuckLive> and now almost 2000 mashines a week worldwide to privat households
[16:06:55] <IchGuckLive> 3D printer getting to normal live
[16:07:05] <IchGuckLive> -> items
[16:07:27] <XXCoder> hipser, got cnc thing before it was cool ;)
[16:07:31] <XXCoder> hpster
[16:07:35] <XXCoder> hipster :P
[16:07:38] <IchGuckLive> kids in Kindergarden going OOp on LEGO mindstorm
[16:08:12] <IchGuckLive> no basic no programming Kinetics all over
[16:08:31] <IchGuckLive> 5year old doing master App programming
[16:08:48] <humble_sea_bass> heh, maybe over there
[16:08:58] <humble_sea_bass> over heere they just try to eat the blocks
[16:09:08] <IchGuckLive> the world is changing im out on Augest this year after 45 hard years
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[16:09:29] <humble_sea_bass> where are you retiring to
[16:09:42] <IchGuckLive> worldwide
[16:09:50] <IchGuckLive> O.o
[16:10:21] <witnit> Anyone interested in giving me a quick value on this? http://www.ebay.com/itm/151286262921?_trksid=p2055119.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT
[16:10:22] <IchGuckLive> if all goes wright im off this chanell for maybe livetime
[16:10:27] <witnit> opinions are good :)
[16:11:05] <IchGuckLive> this is a hard working mashine
[16:11:40] <IchGuckLive> you need to see it the first 5-7 inches mormaly are as hard used as they go off value
[16:13:23] <MrHindsight> Item location: Mount Carmel, it could only be better if it was from the chocolate factory
[16:14:30] <IchGuckLive> MrHindsight: it might be the vmashine for the mold items
[16:14:52] <IchGuckLive> witnit: as you se some values on the mashine it migt as i thought
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[16:15:37] <IchGuckLive> 7inches has been treaded very hard Diameter
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[16:16:34] <witnit> Im sure there are people tossing these things out, with sub spindles even, but I dont know anything about them so I wasnt sure the machine is more trouble then its work in it.
[16:16:35] <IchGuckLive> as they corrected it and the new mototr is also a hint on that as you miove over the value it might come stuck and break somthing
[16:17:06] <XXCoder> witnit: if nothing else you could get scrap after grabbing good parts and try get same model
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[16:17:45] <witnit> yeah, i was just kind of hoping to get a max bid if someone had an idea
[16:18:47] <XXCoder> wow TB6560 kit I bought comes with surpising good docs
[16:18:59] <IchGuckLive> witnit: good info there is the GM repart of the 805 sinuvic inside
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[16:19:18] <IchGuckLive> that means the 7i77 will drive this thing
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[16:19:45] <MrHindsight> witnit: anything under $1k is a deal even if it ends up being scrap, unless you have to pay a rigger $1500
[16:20:22] <MrHindsight> witnit: any more and it depends on what shape it is in
[16:21:13] <witnit> I just was hoping I could slap a new relay in it and turn it over, if it needs more, do a conversion for linuxcnc and then sell
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[16:22:09] <witnit> I just didnt see any them as worth much with such little options, no subspindle and no live tooling, but then again I still no little about them
[16:22:11] <witnit> :)
[16:22:23] <IchGuckLive> i think the problem is not the electronic its the mechanical fail that is now out of coustem consitteration
[16:22:39] <witnit> yeah
[16:23:08] <XXCoder> wha
[16:23:12] <XXCoder> cd comes with mach3
[16:23:25] <witnit> so maybe I think I will just wait and buy a big machine
[16:23:26] <XXCoder> isnt mach3 paid software
[16:23:48] <IchGuckLive> XXCoder: not on 3axis
[16:23:52] <XXCoder> wit if youre skilled and has large shop you could make new parts I guess
[16:23:58] <XXCoder> I see
[16:24:14] <XXCoder> anyway I plan on using linuxcnc anyway
[16:24:15] <MrHindsight> not many people use Linux in China since they mostly use $2 copies of winders
[16:24:45] <IchGuckLive> MrHindsight: You got it wright
[16:24:56] <XXCoder> wright brothers ;)
[16:24:58] <IchGuckLive> dont pay the trillardees go free
[16:25:20] <IchGuckLive> and spam the world with adds
[16:26:32] <IchGuckLive> http://www.sicherheitstacho.eu/
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[16:27:32] <IchGuckLive> this month 3mio hacks in the USA
[16:27:51] <IchGuckLive> china reporting only 1,1mio ;-)
[16:28:22] <IchGuckLive> noerth korea 60k i dident know thay had internel at all
[16:28:48] <IchGuckLive> its the little mans family trying to get XXX connected i guess O.O
[16:29:00] <MrHindsight> http://vimeo.com/82891325#at=8 disingenuous @ 1:00 Colored Ceramic 3D Printing
[16:29:42] <IchGuckLive> 25 hack attacks in the last minute
[16:30:10] <IchGuckLive> XXCoder: you did one WA USA
[16:30:44] <humble_sea_bass> the colored sand epoxy 3d prints look decent, if off
[16:31:13] <IchGuckLive> humble_sea_bass: google Z150 printer
[16:31:22] <XXCoder> finally found one! http://www.hobbycncaustralia.com.au/images/Instructions/Nema23wire.JPG
[16:31:39] <XXCoder> finally. was wondering if I would ever find good picture of wiring
[16:31:45] <IchGuckLive> humble_sea_bass: google image Zprinter
[16:32:12] <MrHindsight> Zprinters are just powder + binder using thermal inkjet
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[16:32:47] <MrHindsight> they don't even use virgin HP cartridges
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[16:32:58] <humble_sea_bass> the Z printer is the one I saw
[16:33:32] <humble_sea_bass> there is a printing house here in NYC that is moving from 2d paper plots to offering 3d stuff for architects
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[16:34:10] <humble_sea_bass> they used the machine to print weird helmets for a fashion show
[16:36:19] <MrHindsight> 300mm x 300mm x 300mm is what the architects asked for, but faster than FDM since they can't wait days for a model
[16:37:55] <MrHindsight> 5mm/minute in the Z axis does it in an hour with photopolymers
[16:38:04] <humble_sea_bass> they also seem to like the powder/epoxy look
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[16:38:21] <humble_sea_bass> because it kind of looks like sandstone which nyc is full of
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[16:39:17] <MrHindsight> photopolymer with actual sand should do it
[16:41:36] <MrHindsight> you then only need to have the printer cure the exterior shell of the model then bake it after to cure the core, so it ends up being a really fast process
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[16:42:36] <MrHindsight> http://www.3ders.org/articles/20130610-china-develops-worlds-largest-laser-3d-printer.html
[16:43:26] <humble_sea_bass> sear the outside to seal in the flavor
[16:43:31] <humble_sea_bass> noted
[16:43:37] <XXCoder> wow
[16:43:45] <humble_sea_bass> hi
[16:43:47] <humble_sea_bass> :/
[16:43:49] <humble_sea_bass> wow
[16:44:21] <MrHindsight> brunch time
[16:45:49] <MrHindsight> at some point the US manufacturers of 3D printers are going to get some import ban on Chinese units
[16:46:24] <humble_sea_bass> http://www.3ders.org/articles/20130601-mit-researchers-build-silk-pavilion-using-biological-silkworm-3d-printer.html
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[16:46:26] <MrHindsight> since they don't make anything practical for high volume
[16:46:29] <humble_sea_bass> i like this a lot
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[16:47:19] <humble_sea_bass> didn't the SLS patents actually expire?
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[16:47:44] <pcw_home> how about a cotton candy printer?
[16:47:47] <MrHindsight> combine the silk glands with those mini bots from the other day
[16:47:59] <humble_sea_bass> that would be cool as hell
[16:48:04] <XXCoder> look up candyfab
[16:48:05] <humble_sea_bass> little worm skateboards
[16:48:30] <MrHindsight> yeah, the main original one expired back in Feb or Jan
[16:48:58] <MrHindsight> but there are plenty more overlapping patents on SLS, that's how they play the game
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[16:49:50] <humble_sea_bass> so when you buy an SLS printer most of the cost is profit for the Stratasys
[16:49:53] <MrHindsight> so what if the laser used to melt particles is out of patent, we have patents on how to move the laser, focus the laser, make the particles, spread the particles and on and on
[16:50:28] <MrHindsight> http://www.3ders.org/articles/20140128-let-the-revolution-begin-key-3d-printing-patent-expires-today.html
[16:50:41] <PetefromTn_> Okay I am just about to toss my mill vise out the frackin' window here...
[16:50:41] <MrHindsight> oh yeah
[16:50:48] <humble_sea_bass> how can you patent basic optics
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[16:50:57] <humble_sea_bass> add the word novel in front of it?
[16:51:15] <humble_sea_bass> Pete, are you on a ground floor
[16:51:23] <PetefromTn_> yeah unfortunately.
[16:51:26] <humble_sea_bass> and would you mind if I swung by right after
[16:51:26] <MrHindsight> from what I've seen 1:10 cost to build to sales price
[16:51:44] <PetefromTn_> why LOL
[16:52:07] <humble_sea_bass> (implication)I'll walk away with it
[16:52:12] <MrHindsight> humble_sea_bass: inkjet can print precision lenses
[16:52:22] <MrHindsight> sorry misread that
[16:52:25] <PetefromTn_> I have been using this thing almost exclusively with sacrificial jaws and it hsa been okay.
[16:52:37] <MrHindsight> humble_sea_bass: but they do
[16:52:46] <PetefromTn_> But now I need to use the hard jaws and some parallels and I am finding it is NOT flat or square...
[16:53:02] <PetefromTn_> Did not realize how bad it was until yesterday.
[16:53:37] <MrHindsight> why does a 500mm^3 gantry with a laser cost $330k?
[16:53:57] <MrHindsight> or the same with 8 $1K printheads?
[16:54:06] <humble_sea_bass> hah
[16:54:16] <humble_sea_bass> *amrican innovation*
[16:54:23] <humble_sea_bass> *joc creators*
[16:54:26] <humble_sea_bass> job
[16:54:29] <PetefromTn_> Really cannot afford to spend $500.00 plus on a Kurt but I am finding that when you buy one you don't have this kinda bullshit problems.
[16:54:32] <MrHindsight> yup
[16:55:13] <MrHindsight> I bought a couple of the Shars Kurt copies, they are fine
[16:55:20] <PetefromTn_> REALLY????
[16:55:32] <PetefromTn_> I have a Shars CNC vise and I am finding it is a Piece of shit.
[16:55:42] <PetefromTn_> which models do you have?
[16:56:18] <humble_sea_bass> Another effort from Sen. Charles Schumer (D-N.Y.) would expand the protections for software patents by widening a transitional program created by the 2011 America Invents Act. The bill passed by the House last year originally contained a similar provision, but House Judiciary Committee Chairman Bob Goodlatte (R-Va.) pulled the measure amid heavy lobbying from opponents, including software giants like Microsoft and Apple.
[16:56:36] <MrHindsight> http://www.shars.com/products/view/8139/6quot_690V_CNC_Milling_Machine_Vise_00004quot
[16:56:42] <humble_sea_bass> i love how my senator is always on somebodies pocket
[16:57:06] <PetefromTn_> Is the frackin' bed actually flat?
[16:57:23] <MrHindsight> PetefromTn_: mine are fine
[16:57:30] <PetefromTn_> Does the movable jaw lift when you clamp stuff?
[16:57:57] <PetefromTn_> I would LOVE to be able to buy two of those over ONE kurt but I am not wanting to get another piece of shit here.
[16:58:24] <PetefromTn_> You are the same guy as CaptainHindsight correct?
[16:58:26] <MrHindsight> not at all, I just notice a bit of oxidation if I leave the coolant over the weekend
[16:58:33] <MrHindsight> but it wipes right off
[16:58:48] <PetefromTn_> well that happens with ANY vise..
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[16:58:53] <PetefromTn_> Kurt included.
[16:58:55] <MrHindsight> yes, just on a different puter
[16:59:20] <MrHindsight> I use 2 side by side in the Matsuura
[16:59:21] <PetefromTn_> Lemme ask you have you actually checked the vise with a quality DTI or on a surface plate?
[17:00:12] <PetefromTn_> Everywhere I read on Pro forums they all say the Chinese ones are JUNK including the shars it is nice to hear from someone who actually owns two of them...
[17:00:26] <PetefromTn_> I can tell you the cnc one I have is NOT flat or square.
[17:00:27] <MrHindsight> yes, I even used them to make parts for very high precision machines
[17:00:34] <MrHindsight> Shars is near me
[17:00:57] <MrHindsight> now some of the Shars stuff is junk
[17:01:25] <MrHindsight> but I've had no issues with either vise
[17:02:03] <MrHindsight> I have a 50 year old Palmgren that is a piece of junk
[17:02:22] <MrHindsight> came with a Bridgeport
[17:03:42] <MrHindsight> PetefromTn_: which one? http://www.shars.com/products/view/8140/6quot_660U_CNC_Milling_Machine_Vise_00004quot__ ?
[17:03:47] <PetefromTn_> Damn man now ya got me thinking here... You SWEAR to me that the vise is nice and flat and the fixed jaw is square to the bed and the movable jaw does not lift...
[17:04:17] <MrHindsight> those jaws fit very tight, no movement whatsoever
[17:04:18] <PetefromTn_> No not that one I have the older one they apparently do not sell anymore.
[17:04:45] <PetefromTn_> I think that CNC one you just linked to is a newer model.
[17:05:02] <PetefromTn_> Mine is red on the sides. Really not happy with it.
[17:05:28] <PetefromTn_> A couple weeks ago I was clamping something and making a part and then I noticed this little round thing on the table.
[17:05:45] <PetefromTn_> Turned out it was the freaking contact point for the angle lock had FALLEN OUT!!
[17:05:53] <MrHindsight> they come with a certificate now, they have the QC inspection measurements on a print
[17:05:55] <PetefromTn_> I have not contacted them about it yet.
[17:06:02] <MrHindsight> same for the surface plates
[17:06:30] <PetefromTn_> So if you take a quality DTI and run it across both beds left to right they are FLAT???
[17:06:39] <MrHindsight> mine are
[17:06:50] <PetefromTn_> and you have actually checked them...
[17:06:50] <MrHindsight> maybe I just got a good batch
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[17:07:28] <MrHindsight> I've even made parts using them for the 5um repeatabilty printers
[17:07:34] <MrHindsight> so no issues here
[17:07:54] <PetefromTn_> and you have the 690V models.
[17:07:54] <MrHindsight> where are the threads about them? on cnczone?
[17:08:01] <PetefromTn_> no on PM.
[17:08:24] <PetefromTn_> Sure would be nice to get TWO matching vises that are decent for the price of a single Kurt.
[17:08:32] <MrHindsight> yes, 690V
[17:08:50] <PetefromTn_> Do the handles turn smoothly and are the screws machined nicely? Mine is NOT smooth and turns kinda wobbly a tad.
[17:08:52] <MrHindsight> I bought one to try and then went back for another
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[17:09:12] <PetefromTn_> Is the second one bed precisely the same height as the first?
[17:09:28] <MrHindsight> I figured how bad can they be I can always use them as a work vise to just hold things
[17:09:51] <PetefromTn_> unfortunately mine is pretty bad.
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[17:09:55] <PetefromTn_> NOT HAPPY..
[17:10:16] <MrHindsight> but mine worked out, now I can't say that if I got a 3rd that it might be a reject that they just sell as good
[17:10:24] <PetefromTn_> It does appear the newer ones you have are made much nicer they even look much nicer in the pictures.
[17:10:53] <MrHindsight> they rarely scrap parts in China, as you've noticed with the Bondo machine bases
[17:11:03] <PetefromTn_> Oh yeah...
[17:11:16] <PetefromTn_> Do you find bondo in the vise bases?
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[17:11:38] <MrHindsight> "Our newest V series vises can compete head-to-head with other popular brand's vise on the market and outperform in a highly demanding manufacturing environment. Improving on industry standards, 690V vise has the tightest tolerance on key specifications such as clamping repeatability, bed height, parrallelism between bedway and base, and perpendicularity between jaw plate and bedway and improvement to prevent jaw lifting on movable jaws.
[17:11:38] <MrHindsight> 690V is designed and manufactured to be the ultimate vise at an affordable price and back by lifetime limited warranty."
[17:11:53] <MrHindsight> they are all serial numbered
[17:12:02] <MrHindsight> so if you get a bad one return it
[17:12:52] <MrHindsight> I think they said that they started making these only about 1 year ago
[17:13:36] <PetefromTn_> Huh.. Nice to hear about warrantee but I wonder how good that warrantee is when you have a problem.
[17:13:49] <PetefromTn_> I bought this one about a year ago.
[17:13:57] <PetefromTn_> They no longer have it on their site.
[17:13:57] <MrHindsight> well it's just an hour drive for me
[17:14:16] <PetefromTn_> LOL maybe you can pick me out a good one when you are over there..
[17:14:23] <MrHindsight> I think they are ~70lbs
[17:14:51] <MrHindsight> 82lbs so no UPS or USPS
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[17:15:15] <PetefromTn_> really...what was your total bill to get it to you or did you just pick it up?
[17:15:31] <MrHindsight> pick up, just like the surface plates
[17:15:39] <MrHindsight> 500lbs
[17:15:43] <PetefromTn_> I have a nice surface plate here already.
[17:15:59] <MrHindsight> i used them for machine bases
[17:16:18] <PetefromTn_> Have you ever used a KURT vise?
[17:16:30] <MrHindsight> yes, very similar
[17:17:19] <PetefromTn_> YOu have used and machined parts on a kurt and you are saying it is very similar in clamping and holding and flatness squareness... That is really great to hear man.
[17:18:00] <PetefromTn_> I wonder if I call them and BITCH about this boat anchor if they will cut me a deal on a pair of them. Maybe take care of my shipping or something.
[17:18:14] <MrHindsight> it makes parts for the $250K 5 axis printers
[17:19:57] <PetefromTn_> Thanks for your information man. I gotta go meet a fellow to buy a nice set of Fowler Depth micrometers here now. I will be back later. Maybe we can chat more about them. Got any pics of yours?
[17:20:27] <MrHindsight> I even hold the http://search.newport.com/?q=*&x2=sku&q2=RV240HAHLT when reworking
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[17:23:04] <PetefromTn_> don't understand that..
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[17:23:22] <MrHindsight> http://imagebin.org/307623
[17:23:23] <MrHindsight> I just have to use the ratchet wrenches sine the leadscrews are too low to use the supplied handles
[17:23:25] <PetefromTn_> Is that the company you work for?
[17:24:46] <PetefromTn_> That is no problem for me the Apron of the table on my Cincinatti actually is quite tall so the handle hangs down without hitting anything.
[17:24:51] <MrHindsight> my rec room
[17:25:02] <PetefromTn_> Almost looks like a couple kurts there in that pic LOL.
[17:25:36] <PetefromTn_> ya sure you did not have to touch them up on that surface grinder right LOL...
[17:25:53] <PetefromTn_> Nice Rec room man..hehe
[17:26:08] <PetefromTn_> Just got off the phone with that guy won't be able to meet until 4pm.
[17:26:37] <MrHindsight> there was some deal on a big VMC in FL
[17:26:46] <MrHindsight> but you weren't around
[17:27:18] <humble_sea_bass> $14750.00
[17:27:29] <PetefromTn_> huh? what kind?
[17:27:46] <PetefromTn_> Did you retrofit that Matsuu?
[17:27:50] <MrHindsight> humble_sea_bass: for that stage? yeah
[17:28:09] <MrHindsight> PetefromTn_: still have to get to it, been busy
[17:28:16] <PetefromTn_> aah..
[17:28:25] <PetefromTn_> but you use the machine and the vises right?
[17:28:31] <MrHindsight> mach3 is awful
[17:28:42] <PetefromTn_> Oh yeah thats right it is mach3...
[17:28:45] <MrHindsight> I hope so :)
[17:28:49] <PetefromTn_> I forgot.
[17:29:15] <MrHindsight> few day project to finish the swap to linuxcnc
[17:29:18] <PetefromTn_> Can I ask why you did not get that CNC vise?
[17:29:35] <PetefromTn_> the new one I mean?
[17:29:36] <MrHindsight> he has a AB PLC with a touchscreen doing much of it
[17:29:44] <MrHindsight> so I have rewire lots
[17:30:17] <MrHindsight> I think they were out of stock that day
[17:30:37] <PetefromTn_> I am SO happy with my new tools I picked up last night. This BRAND NEW MItutoyo 8" coolant proof caliper with carbide jaws is NICE!!
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[17:30:44] <zeeshan> anyone use boeshield t-9
[17:30:47] <zeeshan> to protect their tools?
[17:30:51] <zeeshan> (not micrometers)
[17:30:56] <zeeshan> but the surface of v-blocks, gauge blocks, etc
[17:31:06] <zeeshan> c-clamps, parallel clamps
[17:31:08] <PetefromTn_> I also cleaned up this Brown and Sharp DTI it looks brand new. feels TIGHT and smooth.
[17:32:26] <PetefromTn_> Do you ever use that hard jaw slot with a vise stop? Is it a tight fit or sloppy?
[17:32:59] <MrHindsight> a neighbors dad passed away that was machinist, I'm going to stop by his shop and take pics of everything
[17:33:16] <zeeshan> MrHindsight: i need a mitutoyo height gauge
[17:33:19] <zeeshan> think of me :)
[17:33:26] <MrHindsight> tons of old tools
[17:33:26] <PetefromTn_> thats sad.
[17:33:39] <PetefromTn_> I am looking for some standards jo blocks.
[17:33:45] <MrHindsight> yeah his son hasn't organized it yet
[17:33:57] <PetefromTn_> Got most of what I needed yesterdy in that lot.
[17:34:13] <MrHindsight> nice lathes and mills
[17:34:16] <PetefromTn_> Could use a nice facemill like that Octomill they use at work.
[17:34:35] <zeeshan> i love the mitsu facemills
[17:34:52] <zeeshan> pete
[17:34:53] <MrHindsight> he doesn't machine anything but he'd like it all to go to good homes
[17:34:55] <zeeshan> you know which ones are awesome?
[17:35:05] <PetefromTn_> yeah SECO.
[17:35:13] <zeeshan> seco makes one like this
[17:35:13] <PetefromTn_> or IScar.
[17:35:14] <zeeshan> http://i01.i.aliimg.com/wsphoto/v0/678711573/Hot-Sale-EMRW-series-Dia-50-mm-5R50-22-4-Flutes-Using-Mitsubishi-RPMW1003-font-b.jpg
[17:35:16] <zeeshan> i has this
[17:35:21] <zeeshan> you destroy one edge
[17:35:24] <zeeshan> rotate the insert a bit
[17:35:25] <zeeshan> you got a fresh one
[17:35:26] <zeeshan> :D
[17:35:41] <PetefromTn_> Yeah that is almost what the Octomills look like.
[17:35:46] <zeeshan> but the octomill that i have
[17:35:49] <zeeshan> can take away more metal
[17:35:49] <PetefromTn_> Except they have 8 edges
[17:35:51] <zeeshan> in one pass with my machine
[17:36:12] <PetefromTn_> Why they hog pretty good at work with them.
[17:36:13] <zeeshan> please tell me about boeshield t-9
[17:36:23] <PetefromTn_> Don't know never tried it.
[17:36:23] <zeeshan> you guys prolly have high hp machines
[17:36:24] <zeeshan> my mill is 2hp
[17:36:37] <PetefromTn_> no we have HAASpower...
[17:36:43] <zeeshan> HAAAAAAAAAAAAS
[17:36:45] <XXCoder> http://www.richarddawkins.net/news_articles/2014/4/25/microscale-3-d-printing
[17:36:48] <zeeshan> that automatically adds 10 hp
[17:36:49] <zeeshan> =D
[17:36:58] <PetefromTn_> more like subtracts it.
[17:37:13] <PetefromTn_> but they make good parts all day long from what I have seen.
[17:37:26] <PetefromTn_> even the beater shitty looking ones.
[17:37:31] <zeeshan> i traded some tools with a machinist today
[17:37:35] <zeeshan> made a wire edm contact
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[17:37:48] <zeeshan> he's gonna edm me a .25" thick sine bar
[17:37:51] <PetefromTn_> what do you mean
[17:38:11] <zeeshan> he only "machines" with wire edm and sink edm
[17:38:14] <PetefromTn_> Oh I got a friend down the road from me who has like four Mitsubishi Wire EDM machines.
[17:38:25] <PetefromTn_> they are in his back yard.
[17:38:28] <humble_sea_bass> hah
[17:38:35] <zeeshan> lucky :P
[17:38:41] <zeeshan> this guy has agietron edm
[17:38:49] <PetefromTn_> Zeeshan I was thinking about you yesterday.
[17:38:52] <zeeshan> i think theyre a swiss company
[17:39:07] <zeeshan> PetefromTn_: i left for a couple days cause things were getting bad in here cause of the trolls
[17:39:18] <PetefromTn_> I saw an ad in a local Craigslist for machinist selling some tools.
[17:39:28] <PetefromTn_> Got a SMOKIN' deal on some nice stuff..
[17:39:32] <humble_sea_bass> the two that shall not be named appear gone
[17:39:32] <zeeshan> what did you get man
[17:39:41] <zeeshan> gush and shaun
[17:39:45] <zeeshan> don't wanna think about em
[17:39:48] <zeeshan> waste of brain cells
[17:40:07] <humble_sea_bass> its like beetlejuice, say it 3 times and they rerturn
[17:40:18] <zeeshan> PetefromTn_: pics pics pics pics
[17:40:18] <PetefromTn_> I got a BRAND NEW in box Mitutoyo Coolant proof 8" digital caliper with certs and a never opened battery package.
[17:40:24] <zeeshan> !!!!
[17:40:28] <zeeshan> ip65
[17:40:30] <zeeshan> sexiness
[17:41:08] <MrHindsight> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=271463729129 still up
[17:41:22] <PetefromTn_> I also got a nice clean Brown and Sharp .005/.030 DTI and some nice indicator holders from indicol and sweep it.
[17:41:40] <zeeshan> u mean 0.0005?
[17:41:43] <zeeshan> 30 thou travel?
[17:41:50] <PetefromTn_> yeah sorry.
[17:41:57] <zeeshan> i hear those are nice
[17:41:59] <PetefromTn_> It is in GREAT shape like brand new.
[17:42:04] <zeeshan> never used a b&s indicator before
[17:42:29] <zeeshan> i have the chinese copy of the indicol
[17:42:39] <zeeshan> :(
[17:42:40] <PetefromTn_> I got a BRAND NEW in box Mitutoyo Digital Caliper, Coolant Proof, 8" capacity, carbide jaws...
[17:42:59] <PetefromTn_> I also got a nice Depth mic set 0-3"
[17:43:00] <zeeshan> carbide jaw caliper?
[17:43:03] <humble_sea_bass> I need a proper DTI
[17:43:04] <PetefromTn_> yeah.
[17:43:05] <zeeshan> never seen that before
[17:43:07] <zeeshan> wow
[17:43:18] <zeeshan> whos the depth mic set by
[17:43:47] <humble_sea_bass> my DTI from college is one of those chinese jobbies what seem sticky no matter what you do
[17:44:01] <zeeshan> give it some lubrication
[17:44:02] <zeeshan> :D
[17:44:13] <PetefromTn_> This one is an old Craftsman model and I am going to meet a fellow here soon that is selling me a brand new in box Fowler set of depth mics with a larger width base 0-6"
[17:44:15] <zeeshan> humble_sea_bass: im planning to make a couple of videos for youtube
[17:44:16] <MrHindsight> soak in oil for a day?
[17:44:22] <zeeshan> which compare chinese vs proper tools
[17:44:42] <PetefromTn_> I got a couple vise jaw stops
[17:44:42] <zeeshan> im going to indicate the same thing with a chinese tdi and mitutoyo and starrett tdi
[17:44:43] <humble_sea_bass> zeeshan: you're gonna brake hearts
[17:44:52] <zeeshan> and see the truth!
[17:45:10] <humble_sea_bass> Travers for school shop stuff can't be beat, but it is really terrible once you give a shit about what you're doing
[17:45:32] <archivist> you might find starrett is all mouth and no trousers
[17:45:43] <MrHindsight> compare Chinese um/inch to uhmerican?
[17:45:47] <zeeshan> PetefromTn_: a lot of craftsman old stuff was made by starrett
[17:45:54] <zeeshan> becareful with the fowler, if its old its prolly made in usa
[17:45:56] <zeeshan> if its new its a chinese model
[17:46:02] <humble_sea_bass> What kind of oil can I use on the DTI, what viscosity I mean
[17:46:20] <zeeshan> humble_sea_bass: apparently thres only one type
[17:46:34] <zeeshan> http://www.use-enco.com/1/1/63633-53216-starrett-tool-instrument-oil-micrometer-accessories.html
[17:46:36] <zeeshan> i ordered that
[17:46:39] <zeeshan> i dont know its composition
[17:46:43] <zeeshan> but apparently its a very light oil.
[17:46:50] <zeeshan> comparable to sewing machine oil
[17:47:03] <zeeshan> you only need 1 drop for it according to starrett to lubricate a micrometer
[17:47:19] <PetefromTn_> Yeah I dunno about the Fowler I will look at it when I see it and find out.
[17:47:31] <PetefromTn_> It sure looks nice in the pics.
[17:47:35] <humble_sea_bass> I still have a gallon of sewing machine oil from when my mom ran a sweat shop. thing must be 20 years old
[17:47:41] <humble_sea_bass> that stuff ages well, right
[17:47:49] <zeeshan> most depth mics are only good to 1 thou anyway
[17:47:52] <zeeshan> im sure chinese or usa will work
[17:48:00] <PetefromTn_> The Craftsman is very nice and I spent some time adjusting the different rods to zero this afternoon on my granite surface plate.
[17:48:01] <zeeshan> humble_sea_bass: haha
[17:48:12] <PetefromTn_> HUH?
[17:48:22] <MrHindsight> zeeshan: are you going to compare them using an interferometer?
[17:48:26] <PetefromTn_> 1 thou where did you hear that?
[17:48:50] <zeeshan> PetefromTn_: i dunno thats the spec i see on mitutoyo /starret / b&s
[17:48:51] <MrHindsight> (laser mic)
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[17:48:59] <zeeshan> MrHindsight: do i look like a high end inspection lab :)
[17:49:07] <zeeshan> i'm just gonna hook up the indicators to the same base
[17:49:13] <zeeshan> and measure the same ground rod
[17:49:19] <zeeshan> at the same time
[17:49:28] <zeeshan> *same type base that is
[17:49:49] <zeeshan> PetefromTn_: i'm wrong
[17:49:55] <zeeshan> the graduations are 0.001"
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[17:50:11] <zeeshan> the accuracy is +/-0.0003 when you account for the rod accuracy as well
[17:50:42] <MrHindsight> http://www.forumeter.com/video/218331/ Laser Interferometer - Homemade for $20 :)
[17:51:05] <zeeshan> video doesn't play for me
[17:51:06] <PetefromTn_> Dunno what you are looking at but they have some at work that are pretty damn precise. Mitutoyo digital depth mics are good to a tenth I thought that is what they use at work.
[17:51:14] <MrHindsight> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wdasvpErwsc
[17:51:16] <zeeshan> http://www.amazon.com/Mitutoyo-Series-Vernier-Interchangeable-Micrometer/dp/B007OOLBW6
[17:51:19] <zeeshan> not the vernier style
[17:51:22] <zeeshan> if its digital then yea
[17:51:28] <zeeshan> but the vernier ones only have 0.001 grads
[17:51:53] <PetefromTn_> I ALMOST bought a set of the Mitu Digital depth mics from that guy yesterday.
[17:52:01] <PetefromTn_> They were a 0-9" set I think.
[17:52:03] <zeeshan> http://www.practicalmachinist.com/vb/metrology/0001-depth-mic-200728/
[17:52:08] <zeeshan> explains why there arent tenths depth mic
[17:52:23] <archivist> there are/were 0001 grads on some better mit
[17:52:35] <zeeshan> how do you get a precise measurement
[17:52:46] <archivist> carefully
[17:52:49] <zeeshan> =)
[17:52:54] <PetefromTn_> Only reason I did not was because there was some kinda tight spot in the rotation.
[17:53:17] <PetefromTn_> Not terrible but it was enought to make me step back from them. They sure LOOKED nice tho.
[17:53:20] <PetefromTn_> Price was right.
[17:53:21] <zeeshan> pete i recently acquired a 8-9" mitutoyo 0.0001 mic
[17:53:24] <zeeshan> it was seized
[17:53:25] <zeeshan> free
[17:53:39] <zeeshan> i disassembled it, cleaned up the corrosion on the anvil with a scotch brite
[17:53:44] <zeeshan> lubricated wit hthat fluid
[17:53:50] <zeeshan> calibrated, and it works! :D
[17:53:57] <zeeshan> i hear the digital ones are a lot harder to fix
[17:54:22] <zeeshan> dunno when ill need to ever use a 8-9" mic
[17:54:32] <zeeshan> maybe if i need to measure my big head precisely
[17:54:54] <humble_sea_bass> ctually most people are far too sanguine concerning the accuracy of measurement instruments. Conway comments that the expected accuracy of a micrometer reading with a skilled user can be taken as ± 0.0002 so it is therefore useless to measure parts whose tolerance is less than 0.002 with a micrometer because the error in reading represents at least 20% of the tolerance. Far too many users will be happy with the first part of the previous sentence but wi
[17:55:01] <humble_sea_bass> I like that clive guy
[17:55:37] <zeeshan> well one good way on how to learn how to use a mic and vernier
[17:55:40] <zeeshan> is with a gauge block
[17:55:54] <zeeshan> only needs to be shop grade
[17:56:07] <zeeshan> thats how i learned how much pressure to apply with a vernier
[17:56:19] <zeeshan> doesnt take much force to make the verniers move out by 2 thou
[17:56:21] <PetefromTn_> yeah I agree. There is a definite feel to it.
[17:56:39] <zeeshan> ratcheting and friction thimble are cheating :)
[17:56:55] <PetefromTn_> I dunno I like having them..
[17:56:59] <zeeshan> me too
[17:57:02] <humble_sea_bass> repetition repetition repetition
[17:57:09] <zeeshan> some guys perfer no ratcheting or friction thimble
[17:57:14] <archivist> the vernier needs gibs adjusting if 2 thou out
[17:57:14] <zeeshan> just straight up direct thimble
[17:57:17] <zeeshan> crazy old timers :P
[17:57:21] <zeeshan> archivist: no no
[17:57:31] <archivist> ye yes
[17:57:40] <zeeshan> it closes to 0.000 when closed, and 2.000" on the gauge block
[17:57:47] <PetefromTn_> yeah man 2k is a mile..
[17:57:58] <humble_sea_bass> the calluses on my hands are accurate to 0.0002
[17:58:00] <zeeshan> but if you overapply the pressure.. you can read 1.998"
[17:58:01] <archivist> the jaw rotates
[17:58:20] <archivist> adjust gibs, then its better better
[17:58:25] <zeeshan> so youre saying
[17:58:28] <zeeshan> even if i overapply pressure
[17:58:31] <zeeshan> itll read 2.000?
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[17:58:52] <archivist> look for that jaw part rotation
[17:59:04] <archivist> feel for gib play
[17:59:19] <PetefromTn_> I have an 8" vernier Caliper I bought when I first started machining because it was metric and standard. helped me learn to read mics.
[17:59:27] <archivist> I have seen about 20 thou on a loose one
[17:59:42] <zeeshan> i do feel play
[17:59:46] <zeeshan> how do you adjust it
[17:59:55] <zeeshan> oh
[18:00:00] <zeeshan> theres two flat head screws on the top
[18:00:01] <PetefromTn_> Oh I also got a brand new bottle of Dykem and some Tap Magic too ;)
[18:00:14] <PetefromTn_> All for $200.00
[18:00:24] <zeeshan> archivist: thank you for teaching me something new!
[18:00:29] <zeeshan> i did not know these were adjustable
[18:00:30] <zeeshan> haha
[18:00:36] <archivist> :)
[18:00:42] <zeeshan> tell me though
[18:00:50] <zeeshan> if i adjust it to have no play, and over apply pressure
[18:00:56] <zeeshan> i should read 2.000 still on the gauge block?
[18:01:21] <archivist> just get them near enough and remember the sources of errors
[18:02:11] <zeeshan> main source of error in all my 25 some labs that i did during undergrad
[18:02:14] <zeeshan> : human error
[18:02:15] <zeeshan> :D
[18:02:19] <archivist> yup
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[18:04:11] <PetefromTn_> Zeeshan what kinda mill vise do you have?
[18:04:21] <humble_sea_bass> in school, you could always tell who had a hangover during those labs
[18:04:38] <archivist> I used the ex bosses vernier once, ew, proper mitutoyo, I looked and never seen such a loose gib, adjusted
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[18:56:36] <PetefromTn_> https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=10151958177586314&set=vb.237785001313&type=2&theater LMAO
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[19:13:24] <XXCoder> I have multimeter but I'm uncertain how to check +v on power supply
[19:13:37] <XXCoder> to ensure its properly set
[19:17:02] <archivist> between v- and v+
[19:17:31] <XXCoder> for 3.5a nema23 x 3, what should it be?
[19:18:11] <archivist> as high as the drivers can safely handle
[19:18:37] <XXCoder> mines TB6560
[19:18:53] <pcw_home> the more the merrier (until the driver explodes)
[19:19:37] <archivist> read the tb6560 data sheet
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[19:22:10] <pcw_home> absolute max is 40V
[19:22:54] <pcw_home> so maybe 24V real world and 36V if you like living dangerously
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[19:25:16] <XXCoder> tested, its at 26v
[19:25:21] <XXCoder> plan to adjust to 24
[19:25:23] <XXCoder> v
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[19:45:46] <XXCoder> nice,.
[19:45:51] <XXCoder> so far, no magic smoke
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[19:47:47] <humble_sea_bass> xx, those power supplies usually have a little screw that lets you adjust voltage
[19:48:33] <XXCoder> humble_sea_bass: I know. i was unsure what to set it to. its now 23.9. couldnt do fine adjustment when I cant do screw and hold multimeter at once
[19:49:21] <humble_sea_bass> you should grab some eligator clips for situations like this one
[19:49:26] <XXCoder> yeah
[19:49:39] <humble_sea_bass> but give or take a few volt it does not matter
[19:50:06] <XXCoder> yeah not that sensive but wanted accurate enough
[19:50:18] <XXCoder> less than 0.2v close enough
[19:52:38] <XXCoder> still downloading linuxcnc. boring. lol
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[20:03:11] <gene78> pcw_home, are yoy about
[20:03:16] <gene78> pcw_home, are you about
[20:04:28] <Loetmichel> ... just made new nameplates from 4mm PMMA for our bellboard at the entrance of the house because we got new tenants half a year ago (!) ... and the bell nameplates are non.standard-size -> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=14850 ... not really as pretty as i hoed to, but works
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[20:06:48] <pcw_home> Yeah
[20:08:28] <gene78> just now put the 5i25 in, and ran pncconf, it finds the 5i25 firmware but when calling up the lspci screen to get its address, no address shown
[20:10:34] <gene78> next?
[20:11:51] <pcw_home> address? no address is needed
[20:12:46] <gene78> card shows as 2718:5i25, irq 10, 64k of memory at e01000000 (32 bit non-prefetchable)
[20:13:00] <gene78> I'll proceed then
[20:16:20] <pcw_home> Yeah is a normal PCI device, the driver finds it so you dont need to specify an address
[20:16:34] <pcw_home> s/is/it is/
[20:19:36] <gene78> ok, get to sanity check screen, but no entry for a cnc4pc c1g? 7i33 checked what do I do here?
[20:21:03] <gene78> Ah, I can uncheck it!
[20:25:40] <pcw_home> I dont know whether pncconf will help with that config
[20:28:33] <gene78> I am assuming the port output pin #'s (not given) are in numerical order, but selecting pin 2 as A stepgen doesn't make sense
[20:29:35] <gene78> there are quite a few pins ghosted now, and there are two stepgen dir B's. Not on the pins I currently use ??
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[20:35:18] <gene78> Is there an even newer pncconf? this ones about 3 weeks old.
[20:35:31] <pcw_home> Like I said I'm not sure the pncconf is of any help with that config
[20:40:41] <pcw_home> maybe better to start with a hm2-stepper sample config and merge in your old hal file
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[20:44:53] <gene78> well, I just discovered it can't co-exist with the MB parport, so I guess I'll have to remove it.
[20:46:04] <pcw_home> what cannot coexist?
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[20:52:16] <Jymmm> pcw_home: Jews and their pursuit of bacon!
[20:52:37] <Jymmm> s/their/the/
[20:53:12] <Jymmm> ( MORE FOR ME!!!)
[20:53:20] <pcw_home> I read an interesting theory about why pigs are regarded as dirty animals by some (depends on climate)
[20:53:39] <Jymmm> for relegious purposes?
[20:53:57] <pcw_home> for eating purposes
[20:54:19] <Jymmm> Well, duh, but I mean on theological grounds?
[20:54:37] <Jymmm> sanitary grounds?
[20:54:48] <Jymmm> culinary grounds?
[20:54:48] <pcw_home> pigs in hot climates piss on themselves to prevent overheating
[20:55:13] <Jymmm> They are canibals too.
[20:55:42] <Jymmm> birds eat bugs
[20:56:04] <Jymmm> we use intestine for sausage casings
[20:56:13] <Jymmm> and condoms
[20:56:18] <witnit> nods
[20:56:31] <Jymmm> fecal matter is far more dirty than sterile urine.
[20:56:47] <gene78> the 5i25 and the motherboard parport. all input read true, but it will run the motors ok
[20:56:49] <Jymmm> s/dirty/biohazard/
[20:57:51] <Jymmm> gene78: Have you considered getting another card and avoid paraport all together?
[20:58:28] <pcw_home> the 5i25 has zero relationship with the MB parallel port (they get along fine)
[20:58:42] <witnit> pcw_home this happened quickly after that card was up and going :)
[20:58:49] <witnit> too awesome
[20:58:50] <gene78> not yet, it turns out I have one spare input yet, and 2 outputs that are not yet commited.
[20:58:59] <Jymmm> pcw_home: But if the mobo latency is too high, woudn't that effect the paraport I/O ?
[20:59:22] <gene78> d525mw mnotherboasrds
[20:59:50] <Jymmm> gene78: What do you mean by "just okey" ?
[21:01:50] <Jymmm> archivist: JT-Shop jthornton Any comments on me removing the ban tomorrow (Sunday Evening) on Shaun?
[21:02:24] <gene78> i tried to home-all, x backed out about 10 thou past the switch, hit the mechanical limit and sat there cogging the motor even if the switch was closed
[21:03:24] <Jymmm> gene78: loose wire somewhere? anything in the logs? Can you repeat the defect?
[21:03:36] <gene78> i hit estop, leaving it there, call up show hal config and put a hal meter on the switch pin, stuck high forever.
[21:03:55] <Jymmm> shielded wiring?
[21:05:00] <gene78> I might, but its been a long day for my back and its about din-din time, so tomorrow I may try again.
[21:05:16] <Jymmm> gene78: Alrighty =)
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[21:05:24] <pcw_home> The onboard parallel ports on Atom MBs are LPC devices,
[21:05:26] <pcw_home> completely unrelated to the 5I25 you likely changed something else
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[21:15:16] <gene78> pcw:no messages about a 5i25 in /var/log/messages
[21:15:47] <gene78> and I'm gone, thanks Peter
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[21:43:46] <pcw_home> gene78: would not expect any
[21:43:48] <pcw_home> (but there should be messages in the kernel log if the HM2-PCI driver is loaded)
[21:45:52] <Jymmm> bah, too many logs
[21:47:45] <pcw_home> Yeah Linux cnc messages are shotgunned to a least 3 different places
[21:49:45] <pcw_home> ubc is different (at least under Preemt-RT) one log file but logging has to be enabled
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[21:51:58] <Deejay> gn8
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[21:52:23] <XXCoder> been playing with cnc a bit
[21:52:29] <XXCoder> still lots issues.
[21:52:40] <XXCoder> anyone has p6560 hardware file?
[21:52:59] <XXCoder> err tb6560 that is
[21:59:52] <andypugh> It’s on the internet
[22:00:48] <andypugh> http://www.toshiba.com/taec/components2/Datasheet_Sync/201103/DST_TB6560-TDE_EN_27885.pdf
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[22:11:10] <andypugh> One sign of why I don’t really rate my Chinese lathe.
[22:11:11] <andypugh> https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/lqgAp8u7-MkUyJBkCl78xNMTjNZETYmyPJy0liipFm0?feat=directlink
[22:11:45] <andypugh> That’s the solid centre that came with the lathe. It won’t reach the end of a bar…..
[22:12:27] <andypugh> (Admittedly if I hadn’t taken the compound slide off, there would be a chance to work round it)
[22:12:51] <andypugh> But 1.5” of tailstock travel is a bit limited.
[22:15:36] <andypugh> (The Rivett, which has the same centre height, has 3” of travel.
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[22:33:49] <XXCoder> thanks
[22:34:17] <XXCoder> I npotice that nema23s is really rough when running
[22:34:21] <XXCoder> not sure whats normal
[22:34:29] <XXCoder> lot of vibration
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[22:34:50] <XXCoder> is there method to test if it was skipping steps or something
[22:35:07] <humble_sea_bass> xx. they are loud and gross when holding
[22:35:23] <XXCoder> its either vibration and kinda grindy feel
[22:35:33] <XXCoder> cant hear it so yeah lol
[22:35:56] <humble_sea_bass> the driver normally has a tuner of some sort
[22:36:18] <XXCoder> dip switches?
[22:36:31] <XXCoder> from what I see all 3 axis is on, off off off on on
[22:36:58] <humble_sea_bass> and sadly they tell you to tune it till it sounds right.
[22:37:17] <XXCoder> bah lol
[22:37:28] <XXCoder> theres still quite a lot I dont understand
[22:37:28] <humble_sea_bass> what driver are you using?
[22:37:33] <XXCoder> tb6560
[22:41:38] <humble_sea_bass> xx, do you have a microphone? you can use a sound spectrum analyzer like an oscilloscope
[22:41:53] <XXCoder> my laptop do have it
[22:41:58] <XXCoder> I think
[22:42:16] <XXCoder> if not can always just buy cheap one
[22:42:26] <humble_sea_bass> a cheap one will do too
[22:42:54] <XXCoder> is there anywhere that can show me what it should look when its pretty well running
[22:44:36] <humble_sea_bass> sure. I have a gecko g540 and I'll snap a picture of the frequency range
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[22:44:46] <XXCoder> thanks
[22:45:18] <XXCoder> I guess I should look up motor stats see whats max speed and so on
[22:45:41] <XXCoder> it ran pretty damn fast when I was testing when it was moving to new cut section
[22:46:53] <XXCoder> I gonna get another wireless dongle, one that ubuntu 10.04 supports. my laptop is so old it has floppy disk drive
[22:46:58] <PetefromTn_> Well just got back from my little tool buying trip.
[22:47:00] <XXCoder> last generation to have one
[22:47:41] <PetefromTn_> Managed to get that Fowler Depth mic set 0-6" for a great price. Set looks hardly used at all. Very pleased.
[22:47:54] <XXCoder> another one?
[22:47:58] <PetefromTn_> yeah.
[22:48:11] <XXCoder> nice.
[22:48:42] <PetefromTn_> I have the smaller craftsman model that is 0-3" depth and has the smaller base for tighter areas and this new Fowler with the deeper depth rods and a much wider base to span larger areas.
[22:49:10] <PetefromTn_> So I should be good for measuring any hole depth I care to machine LOL...
[22:49:14] <XXCoder> great found some motor stats on place I bought em from
[22:49:25] <XXCoder> I'll have to adjust settings later
[22:49:34] <XXCoder> Some is in error I think
[22:49:48] <PetefromTn_> On the way there I happened across a cool speed shop that just opened up that specializes in Mazda RX7 turbo cars.
[22:50:24] <PetefromTn_> I dropped in there to drool on their sweet rides and also to HOPEFULLY garner some custom machining work or Tig welding from them. They were actually closed
[22:50:49] <PetefromTn_> but I was able to chat with one of the guys who works there and he asked me to come by when they open during the week and meet the owner.
[22:50:59] <humble_sea_bass> score
[22:51:11] <humble_sea_bass> ask them to let you floor one of the cars too
[22:51:14] <PetefromTn_> Hopefully I can convince them to bring me some custom CNC milling work.
[22:51:26] <PetefromTn_> YEAH man. I don't see that happening.
[22:51:29] <XXCoder> nice :)
[22:51:36] <PetefromTn_> They did have some SWEET rides there tho.
[22:52:09] <PetefromTn_> The owner apparently owns a very clean very stock looking silver RX7 twin turbo that puts like 400HP to the wheels apparently.
[22:52:39] <PetefromTn_> Very tastefully done car with red leather seats and shift knob/ steering wheel cover on black dash and carpeting with silver accents.
[22:53:00] <PetefromTn_> It has some 19" black wheels and low profile performance tires. Just a real nice clean car.
[22:53:25] <PetefromTn_> the guy said it runs low 12's apparently on a street tune with lowish boost numbers.
[22:53:53] <PetefromTn_> Then there was the MONSTER build car in the shop LOL....
[22:54:21] <PetefromTn_> Supposedly pushing like 750 to the wheels and just got it running they are hoping to tune it to 850 or so.
[22:55:05] <PetefromTn_> Always thought those third generation mazdas were sweet looking cars. They look even better with some custom suspension and lowering treatment and custom touches.
[22:55:23] <PetefromTn_> I was kinda drooling all over myself there for a bit hehehe
[22:56:03] <XXCoder> had a bib? :D
[22:56:09] <PetefromTn_> Coulda used one
[22:56:30] <PetefromTn_> they also had a yellow viper in there they were tuning up with a turbo apparently.
[22:57:02] <PetefromTn_> a couple neon turbos and a big Dodge Ram v10 sport truck they were tweaking on.
[22:59:07] <humble_sea_bass> I know I would be judged, but I want a Mazda MX5
[22:59:57] <PetefromTn_> Is that the same as the mazdaspeed?
[23:00:16] <PetefromTn_> I was following one the other day in traffic, neat little car.
[23:00:47] <humble_sea_bass> no the mx5 is just a miata, but they are fun to abuse on a track
[23:01:16] <humble_sea_bass> the speed on the other hand is a great looking hatchback that is actually useful
[23:01:28] <PetefromTn_> Yesterday my wife and I were heading to Knoxvegas to look at those tools and passed a couple guys in what looked like a seriously built Mazda Miata with a custom hood, lowering suspension and when it went by sounded like it had a serious v8 motor in it.
[23:02:17] <PetefromTn_> It was bright yellow and had a nice roll cage looking radiused setup bar in it. Nicely done.
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[23:02:54] <PetefromTn_> Me I have a soft spot for Pontiac fiero GT's... but I could be convinced to get one of those RX7 twin turbos that is a sweet little car.
[23:02:59] <humble_sea_bass> http://www.good-win-racing.com/miata/images/items/MX5_FULL_ROLL_CAGE.jpg
[23:03:24] <PetefromTn_> yup that is what it looked like but it was screaming yellow.
[23:03:52] <PetefromTn_> I know a lot of guys say they are chick cars but I think they are cool as hell and apparently go around a track like nothing else.
[23:03:53] <humble_sea_bass> all said and done it is one of t he cheapest funnest racing configs out there
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[23:04:29] <XXCoder> man driving a "chick car" is man enough to not care about what others think
[23:04:35] <PetefromTn_> Here in east Tennessee there is a whole club full of them and they are often seen during the summer flying around town and heading up to the dragon to hit the curves.
[23:04:37] <humble_sea_bass> it is a svelte car, which is kind of where it got the rep
[23:04:46] <humble_sea_bass> also convertible and fun looking
[23:05:04] <humble_sea_bass> you live by the dragon?
[23:05:24] <PetefromTn_> agreed. My co worker used to bust my balls about the fiero....right up until he got a ride in it to lunch one time. Then he was like man THIS is a cool little car!
[23:05:31] <humble_sea_bass> tail of the dragon
[23:05:36] <PetefromTn_> Yeah it is like five or ten miles form my house.
[23:05:44] <PetefromTn_> from
[23:05:58] <humble_sea_bass> I want to do that on a skateboard, see if I die
[23:06:00] <PetefromTn_> yeah tail of the dragon.
[23:06:25] <PetefromTn_> I rode it on my FZR1000 before I sold it a few times.
[23:07:02] <PetefromTn_> The last time I did I went with a guy who was riding a Honda RC51
[23:07:38] <humble_sea_bass> you know, those guys sound insane if they go down the tail any faster thanposted
[23:07:50] <PetefromTn_> I made the mistake of thinking I could hang with him on my big Fizzer that weighs like almost 500 lbs and is much longer compared to his around 350 lbs and much more nimble chassis.
[23:08:19] <PetefromTn_> ALMOST went under a fullsize van right before I ran off the road into the brush.
[23:08:21] <humble_sea_bass> you were riding a sofa
[23:08:36] <PetefromTn_> Luckily only damaged the upper fairing a bit. rest of bike was fine.
[23:08:46] <PetefromTn_> Yeah a VERY VERY FAST sofa...
[23:09:06] <humble_sea_bass> is the tail as busy as it looks on most videos?
[23:09:07] <PetefromTn_> bike had like 130 HP stock and mine was not stock anymore...
[23:09:17] <humble_sea_bass> so many cyclers
[23:09:18] <PetefromTn_> during the height of the summer yeah it is a zoo..
[23:09:27] <XXCoder> I remember jay leno showing off turoine bike. jeez is it fast. and apparently so loud
[23:09:27] <PetefromTn_> The locals make jokes about it
[23:10:07] <PetefromTn_> They say when the squids are screaming around up there you can count the times LifeFlight heads up there to scrape one of them out of the trees each day.
[23:10:24] <PetefromTn_> Sad but true....
[23:10:43] <PetefromTn_> It is a nice road on the TN side and 118 turns in 11 miles makes for a fun ride.
[23:11:06] <humble_sea_bass> XXCoder: thisd is what we are talking about https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8rGbln3J4Sg
[23:11:10] <PetefromTn_> But there are LOTS of places where if you go off you are going down a steep cliff into trees for a good ways down.
[23:11:32] <PetefromTn_> Yup that is it..
[23:11:46] <PetefromTn_> Honestly for me the road is really TOO twisty.
[23:12:10] <PetefromTn_> You are always just getting sorted out from the last corner when the next one is in your face already.
[23:12:11] <XXCoder> nice vantage point of guys butt while riding :p
[23:12:42] <humble_sea_bass> that's why I want to do it on a downhill board because it would be a lot more fun i feel than nearly dyuing if I son't make a hairpin
[23:13:23] <XXCoder> well one things for sure
[23:13:27] <XXCoder> I wont ride one lol
[23:13:28] <humble_sea_bass> this is what I'd like to do there http://vimeo.com/1654340
[23:15:57] <PetefromTn_> It is actually a public road and it is not unusual to run across a minivan or truck coming the other way and these guys ride it like it is a closed racing course.
[23:16:15] <XXCoder> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=twWkQTjzcoY
[23:17:06] <PetefromTn_> It was a real fun ride in the Fiero's when we went up there with the local Fiero Club.
[23:17:17] <PetefromTn_> A Miata would also be tons of fun up there.
[23:17:47] <PetefromTn_> Even on the sportbikes we seldom went above 65MPH on that road. It is so twisty the video does not really do it justice.
[23:18:07] <XXCoder> heh 65 mph way too fast for me for motorcycle
[23:20:12] <PetefromTn_> On the Dragon it is..
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[23:20:25] <XXCoder> try that course with https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sM7PK5d2Yug lol
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[23:20:57] <PetefromTn_> I have been on my FZR1000 with my wife on the back going from West Palm Beach Florida to Fuddruckers Bike Night in Miami at 160 before LOL.... Back when I was a crazy bastard.
[23:21:16] <XXCoder> fuddruckers. I miss that
[23:21:28] <XXCoder> I also miss in'out
[23:22:21] <PetefromTn_> My best friend Frank had another FZR1000 and we were kinda sorta breakin the LAW....
[23:22:44] <PetefromTn_> I miss Florida period. Cannot wait to sell my house here so I can move back.
[23:23:50] <XXCoder> heh land of gerrymangering
[23:27:59] <XXCoder> actually think its texas having that problem
[23:33:41] <skunkworks_> http://www.machsupport.com/forum/index.php/topic,27041.msg190722.html#msg190722
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[23:40:53] <zeeshan> PetefromTn_: i dont know what mill vise i have, it came with the mill :P
[23:44:26] <zeeshan> i'd like to get a vertex modular percision vise
[23:44:27] <zeeshan> they're bad ass
[23:45:17] <zeeshan> http://www.ymtltd.co.uk/19-71-thickbox/mv200-precision-modular-vice.jpg
[23:45:25] <zeeshan> notice the dimples
[23:45:36] <zeeshan> you can adjust the vise quickly =D
[23:46:03] <PetefromTn_> Hmm
[23:46:09] <PetefromTn_> dunno what I am gonna get.
[23:46:12] <_methods> haha i thought you were waiting a month to come back zeeshan
[23:46:20] <zeeshan> _methods: i gave in
[23:46:23] <_methods> heheh
[23:46:24] <zeeshan> and it looks like the trolls are gone
[23:46:33] <_methods> and thank god for that
[23:46:34] <_methods> or jymm
[23:46:38] <_methods> or whoever it was
[23:46:42] <_methods> that finally ended it
[23:46:55] <zeeshan> :)
[23:47:17] <PetefromTn_> I was under the impression that the vise I have here had a cast in fixed jaw but upon further inspection it has a removable fixed jaw so I MAY be able to have the base ground flat which is my problem.
[23:48:07] <PetefromTn_> Gonna take it in to work and see if we can grind it flat again on the surface grinders.
[23:48:36] <PetefromTn_> But right now I am looking at getting a brand new vise and CONSIDERING anteing up for a Kurt
[23:48:52] <zeeshan> what kinda vise is it
[23:48:54] <_methods> man the kurts are nice
[23:48:57] <PetefromTn_> Tired of having issues with cheap stuff here. The new tools I bought are all quality.
[23:49:00] <zeeshan> fak the kurts
[23:49:14] <_methods> if you ever have an issue with the screw they will send you a new one
[23:49:19] <_methods> before you send the dead one
[23:49:30] <PetefromTn_> The mill is accurate and quality so it just need an accurate vise now.
[23:49:30] <zeeshan> kurt is too much $ for my blood
[23:49:31] <_methods> no questions asked
[23:49:48] <zeeshan> it doesnt take much effort to fix a chinese vise
[23:49:49] <PetefromTn_> yeah I agree they are pricey but they are made right and USA made.
[23:49:49] <_methods> i can't afford it at my house
[23:50:01] <_methods> their support is top notch
[23:50:02] <zeeshan> fak chinese vises too
[23:50:04] <_methods> them and chick
[23:50:04] <zeeshan> taiwanese ftw !
[23:50:10] <PetefromTn_> We have them on every VMC at work and a few sitting around for spares.
[23:50:14] <MrHindsight> http://www.wired.com/2014/04/hybrid_bikes/ I wish that all Harleys were silent
[23:50:26] <_methods> blasphemer
[23:50:32] <zeeshan> school has a bunch of kurts with holes in em from people drilling out vises
[23:50:39] <zeeshan> how they drill out a hardened vise is beyond my understanding
[23:50:40] <PetefromTn_> They are nice and flat and square and accurate.
[23:50:44] <zeeshan> prolly carbide end mill
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[23:51:01] <zeeshan> for 1000$ i rather get a surface grinder
[23:51:03] <zeeshan> and fix my own vise
[23:51:04] <zeeshan> :D
[23:51:04] <MrHindsight> you wait for the change in pitch and then keep going
[23:51:16] <PetefromTn_> they are only about $500.00
[23:51:31] <zeeshan> wut
[23:51:33] <zeeshan> i thought they were 1000$
[23:51:37] <zeeshan> 500 is affordable
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[23:51:45] <PetefromTn_> a BRAND NEW D688 shipped to my door is only just over 5
[23:51:51] <_methods> $600
[23:51:58] <zeeshan> thats not bad
[23:51:59] <_methods> usually after all the bs
[23:52:05] <_methods> taxes shipping
[23:52:06] <zeeshan> that doesnt look much different than a chiense vise
[23:52:19] <zeeshan> =D
[23:52:25] <_methods> i'd get a glacern if you want to save a couple $$$
[23:52:31] <PetefromTn_> http://www.ebay.com/itm/NEW-KURT-D688-MACHINE-VISE-ANGLOCK-CNC-8-8-OPENING-WORKHOLDING-IRON-CLAD-/111318143452?pt=BI_Tool_Work_Holding&hash=item19eb1411dc
[23:52:33] <zeeshan> i want a modcular vise
[23:52:36] <_methods> and same quality as kurt i think
[23:52:41] <zeeshan> theyre better in my opinion for cnc
[23:52:44] <_methods> well not quite lol
[23:52:53] <_methods> but better than chinese vise
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[23:53:03] <zeeshan> pete
[23:53:08] <zeeshan> im suprised you dont have a modular table for your cnc
[23:53:12] <zeeshan> instead of a vise
[23:53:14] <PetefromTn_> Glacern is apparently a CHinese vise ground here in USA or somethng like that.
[23:53:26] <_methods> yeah i've gotten a few glacerns
[23:53:30] <_methods> they are decent
[23:53:33] <zeeshan> give me one
[23:53:34] <_methods> like i said not a kurt
[23:53:44] <zeeshan> im pretty sure the one i have on the mill is a chinese vise
[23:53:47] <zeeshan> i dont see any markings on it
[23:53:51] <PetefromTn_> honestly man when you see what they do with a simple kurt vise at work all damn day long it is hard to argue with it.
[23:53:52] <zeeshan> but i did check it with a tenths indicator
[23:54:15] <zeeshan> tenths indicator moves 0.0002 total
[23:54:16] <PetefromTn_> Mine is not flat
[23:54:19] <zeeshan> i dunno if that normal or not
[23:54:27] <PetefromTn_> REALLY??
[23:54:33] <_methods> honestly i don't care about that because i always cut jaws
[23:54:41] <zeeshan> this is the faces pete
[23:54:42] <PetefromTn_> even the kurts are +-.0005
[23:54:47] <zeeshan> i havent checked the bottom flat
[23:55:25] <zeeshan> but seriously
[23:55:34] <zeeshan> those modular vises are so much easier to fix
[23:55:43] <zeeshan> and clean
[23:56:04] <PetefromTn_> faces are supposed to be LESS accurate not more. The base flatness is usually the most important thing
[23:56:07] <zeeshan> http://www.mscdirect.com/product/details/84240688?item=84240688
[23:56:11] <zeeshan> im pretty sure thats the one at school
[23:56:20] <zeeshan> yes thats it
[23:56:23] <zeeshan> the G is on the vise
[23:57:11] <zeeshan> http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p252/turbozee84/4FF57E6D-39C0-40AE-A75F-D3A7584FFBDA_zpscmxmkhub.jpg
[23:57:12] <zeeshan> proof
[23:57:35] <_methods> http://www.ebay.com/itm/5QL1040-AL-System-5-1040-Qwik-Lok-W100-L400-H95-Chick-Workholding-Vise-/141023477982?_trksid=p2054897.l4275
[23:58:24] <PetefromTn_> Chick and Orange are other alternatives worth looking at.
[23:58:31] <zeeshan> model #?
[23:58:32] <PetefromTn_> More expensive than Kurt tho.
[23:58:37] <_methods> man those chicks are hard to beat
[23:58:43] <_methods> especially with sub plates
[23:58:46] <_methods> and tombstones
[23:58:50] <zeeshan> PetefromTn_: I like!
[23:58:52] <zeeshan> thats a sexy vise