#linuxcnc | Logs for 2014-04-22

[00:00:35] <XXCoder> snort it. http://www.iflscience.com/chemistry/powdered-alcohol-coming-us
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[00:12:19] <XXCoder> http://www.3ders.org/articles/20140421-lyman-filament-extruder-soon-on-kickstarter-turning-old-plastic-into-3d-printer-ink.html
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[00:17:12] <witnit> tjb1: how do you actuate that?
[00:17:36] <_methods> 3d printer?
[00:17:43] <_methods> +/- 1/8" lol
[00:18:03] <_methods> i make fun of 3d printers but you can make some fun junk with them
[00:18:10] <tjb1> My printer will hold +- .005
[00:18:14] <_methods> not
[00:18:17] <tjb1> Yes
[00:18:29] <_methods> no
[00:18:34] <_methods> will never happen
[00:18:35] <XXCoder> dont look at me for resolution, I dont own one
[00:18:42] <tjb1> Already done it
[00:18:45] <_methods> they could never hold that
[00:18:52] <_methods> you have linear ways?
[00:18:53] <tjb1> You're just a half witted troll
[00:19:22] <witnit> how do you actuate that gripper tj?
[00:19:25] <_methods> your filament is not even extruded to a tol that specific
[00:19:31] <tjb1> witnit: spindle
[00:21:42] <_methods> i made a nice little ghetto bench power supply wiht my printer
[00:21:46] <_methods> https://www.dropbox.com/s/k35mptdwxzqqohu/2014-04-21%2019.34.08.jpg
[00:22:01] <tjb1> haha
[00:22:04] <tjb1> your prints are shit
[00:22:12] <_methods> ok
[00:22:17] <XXCoder> nice but why not just cnc panels and such
[00:22:19] <tjb1> no wonder you can't hit .005
[00:22:21] <_methods> i would never say otherwise lol
[00:22:38] <_methods> calm down turbo
[00:23:58] <XXCoder> forgot if amp is just level I should use or add amp of each device in electric system>?
[00:24:25] <XXCoder> say 3 of 3A motors = wiring for 9a or 3
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[00:25:31] <_methods> XXCoder: i built a 3d printer so wanted to see what it would do
[00:25:40] <XXCoder> oh cool
[00:25:47] <XXCoder> I do want to evenually try
[00:25:52] <_methods> yeah it's fun
[00:26:02] <_methods> but that's about it lol
[00:26:04] <XXCoder> once I build better cnc and upgrade electric system I'll use old one for that
[00:26:22] <_methods> you can throw a printer together from a trash can
[00:26:24] <witnit> You guys could build me a 3d printer head and reel and add an r8 collet to it for me yeah? :)
[00:26:44] <_methods> they're fun to build
[00:26:51] <XXCoder> theres project online to make printer head from glowplug from diesel
[00:26:55] <_methods> yeah
[00:27:05] <_methods> one guy made one out of wood lol
[00:27:27] <witnit> I think I would probably just make a head and use a mill for sake of space
[00:28:01] <witnit> I need more tables in my shop, its all floor and machinery
[00:28:18] <jdh> I need more floor in my 'shop'
[00:28:26] <_methods> hehe don't we all
[00:28:29] <XXCoder> I need more machines for my shop
[00:28:35] <witnit> well, you can use some of mine but you must bring tables
[00:28:40] <XXCoder> right now its at... 1. lol
[00:28:49] <witnit> and those nice drawers with glides
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[00:29:20] <_methods> http://www.thingiverse.com/thing:204719
[00:29:36] <witnit> I should build a toolbox entirely from clear plastics and light each section then paint the tools accordingly
[00:29:49] <witnit> it would be a rave in my work area
[00:29:51] <XXCoder> http://www.3ders.org/articles/20140304-turning-old-plastic-into-3d-printer-filament-is-greener-than-conventional-recycling.html
[00:29:55] <_methods> ah damn that's not the wooden one
[00:30:12] <XXCoder> if I ever make 3d printer ill use milk carton plastic. we have LOTS those weekly
[00:30:42] <_methods> trash can is your friend for 3d printing
[00:30:49] <_methods> just ask tjb1
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[00:31:00] <jdh> you could print a trash can
[00:31:05] <_methods> hehe
[00:31:11] <XXCoder> lol
[00:31:20] <XXCoder> thats cool idea in a way
[00:31:26] <XXCoder> total unique trash can
[00:31:28] <_methods> now that was trolling
[00:31:44] <XXCoder> 3d print a table
[00:31:50] <jdh> that is one ugly-ass power supply case
[00:32:02] <XXCoder> it'd have to be in sections with single surface from something else
[00:32:04] <witnit> how about a 3d printer that is mobile
[00:32:12] <witnit> so it can do like 30 foot long runs
[00:32:24] <XXCoder> theres weirdass spider cnc router that walks around and mill
[00:32:33] <XXCoder> make one that prints heh
[00:32:40] <witnit> printer on robotic arm on a goldfarct
[00:32:43] <witnit> ohh
[00:32:45] <witnit> golfcart
[00:32:59] <_methods> hahah
[00:33:11] <_methods> i'm sure one of them has made that already
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[00:33:26] <XXCoder> http://gcn.com/articles/2012/07/31/3d-printing-milk-jug-boats-to-airliners.aspx
[00:33:27] <witnit> we would have to name it the goldfarct for obvious reasons
[00:33:46] <XXCoder> they changed rules because while techinically its legit (it IS milk cartons) but..
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[00:35:36] <witnit> Im trying to imagine an army of 500 3d printer spiders working together and automaticlly going back and reupping on the materials required
[00:35:47] <XXCoder> yeah
[00:35:53] <witnit> someone will have it done in 3 years
[00:35:59] <_methods> shaun
[00:36:02] <witnit> theyLOL
[00:36:05] <witnit> YES
[00:36:06] <_methods> he's the 3d printer master
[00:36:10] <XXCoder> its probably better that it dont use any filiment but use grains and melt it as nesscary
[00:36:11] <shaun414> yes?
[00:36:11] <witnit> lets tell him about the idea
[00:36:13] <XXCoder> easier to refull
[00:36:18] <_methods> speak of the devil
[00:36:26] <witnit> my thoughts exactly coder
[00:36:43] <_methods> if you ever want to know about 3d printers shaun is the man
[00:37:28] <witnit> I think if build correctly they could even climb and attache to the object being built since they do know its geometry already
[00:37:40] <XXCoder> yeah
[00:37:47] <XXCoder> so weird
[00:37:50] <witnit> we could do it coder
[00:37:59] <witnit> they could even make their own scaffolding as needed
[00:38:00] <XXCoder> I cant imange CNC toolpaths.
[00:38:05] <witnit> if required
[00:38:15] <XXCoder> and take em apart and reuse plastic
[00:38:38] <witnit> you wouldnt have to, I bet they could be auto generated and then passed out as clustered processes
[00:38:40] <XXCoder> or take it to grinder that recycles it into form those can yse
[00:39:00] <witnit> there would be other bots for melting down the waste :P
[00:39:10] <XXCoder> they'd have to be smart enough to not go out of power.
[00:39:17] <witnit> yea that would be easy
[00:39:29] <witnit> go to charger when at <30%
[00:39:58] <witnit> each one would be considered a "toolpath" of its own
[00:40:01] <witnit> I would imagine
[00:40:10] <XXCoder> it'd have to be dynimatic
[00:40:18] <XXCoder> assign spiders to areas for example
[00:40:29] <witnit> yeah with a nice timesheet for each to pick up where the others left off
[00:40:42] <_methods> hey the 3dprinter people might be listening to you
[00:40:43] <witnit> colors would be nice to experiement with
[00:40:44] <_methods> watch out
[00:40:50] <_methods> they won't understand
[00:40:57] <_methods> but they may be listening
[00:40:58] <_methods> lol
[00:41:01] <XXCoder> :P
[00:41:20] <witnit> they could write words in the side of a wall by having one colored spider follow the next and fill the gaps
[00:41:36] <witnit> legos 3.0
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[00:42:22] <_methods> there ya go
[00:42:44] <witnit> we be visionaries coder
[00:42:58] <_methods> 3d printed moon colonies
[00:43:10] <_methods> it's the future
[00:43:18] <XXCoder> house standard power is one phase right?
[00:43:27] <_methods> unless you live in a warehouse
[00:43:32] <XXCoder> ok
[00:43:51] <_methods> or fuckin philadelphia
[00:44:03] <_methods> apparently they still have TWO PHASE
[00:44:04] <itsallvoodoo> lol, true that philadelphia
[00:44:19] <_methods> which i had no idea existed
[00:44:36] <XXCoder> is it possible to use too large wires for system?
[00:44:41] <XXCoder> if not I'd just go 12 gauge
[00:45:17] <witnit> you cant go too big
[00:45:39] <_methods> that's what shaun said
[00:45:45] <witnit> lul
[00:45:46] <shaun414> ?
[00:45:49] <witnit> poor shaun
[00:46:04] <witnit> you have become a target
[00:46:14] <XXCoder> ok I'll use gauge 000
[00:46:16] <_methods> not for not trying
[00:46:17] <XXCoder> jk heh
[00:46:29] <witnit> of far away(or near) laughter
[00:46:57] <XXCoder> had to double check because I plan to buy wires soonish
[00:47:13] <XXCoder> so I plan to build electric system of cnc in order to test how well it runs
[00:47:16] <itsallvoodoo> http://etischer.com/awdev/battery/DSCF0454.jpg
[00:47:26] <itsallvoodoo> 0000
[00:47:34] <XXCoder> if I wait for functional cnc framework returns may expire and such
[00:47:35] <witnit> lots of ots!
[00:47:45] <XXCoder> thick.
[00:47:47] <_methods> gawt dayum
[00:50:10] <witnit> itsallvoodoo: you should save some of that for jumper cables, that stuff looks good and flexible
[00:50:51] <witnit> fine strand for such 0ts
[00:51:11] <witnit> very 0t
[00:51:25] <itsallvoodoo> love the good and flexible
[00:51:34] <itsallvoodoo> i've had some crappy jumper cables in my day
[00:51:47] <witnit> yep, they get cold and perk right up
[00:52:37] <witnit> not to mention the weak clamps, cant even hold the weight bearing on them
[00:52:53] <witnit> snap, zap
[00:55:19] <_methods> look at dem licorice whips
[00:55:24] <_methods> https://www.dropbox.com/s/57qjqfbfaav0hxa/2014-04-21%2020.53.55.jpg
[00:55:48] <XXCoder> so much A
[00:55:57] <_methods> pew pew
[00:56:03] <itsallvoodoo> did a demolition derby once out at my redneck buddy's house. Thought moving the battery to the passenger floorboard and strapping it down would help keep me in the game. Turns out the jumper cable i was using as a power cable extender was the weakest link
[00:56:14] <humble_sea_bass> methods, whats the name of that green connector in the picture
[00:56:28] <_methods> chinese version?
[00:56:40] <humble_sea_bass> yeah whatever. i'm sick of buying molex pins
[00:56:43] <XXCoder> heh
[00:56:44] <witnit> all sad times voodoo
[00:56:48] <_methods> it's a 90deg pcb mount screw connector
[00:57:16] <witnit> alll that work then getting dumped at the track
[00:57:17] <humble_sea_bass> oh i thought it was a plug in type
[00:57:30] <_methods> it is sorry
[00:57:36] <_methods> let me find you the right link
[00:58:17] <_methods> pluggable screw connector
[00:58:20] <_methods> sorry bout that
[00:58:29] <_methods> http://www.ebay.com/itm/3x-10pcs-Angel-4-Pin-Pitch-5-08mm-Screw-Terminal-Block-Connector-Pluggable-Type-/330934768651?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item4d0d3fd40b
[00:58:57] <humble_sea_bass> thanks. ordering this jam right now
[00:59:00] <_methods> hahha
[00:59:12] <_methods> yea took me a sec to figure out the right wording for those
[00:59:54] <humble_sea_bass> everytime i blow a molex crimp or solder i cry a bit
[01:01:02] <_methods> yeah those things are awesome
[01:01:17] <_methods> the one thing those 3d printer momo's got right
[01:01:18] <witnit> this is good documentation but never any example anywhere...
[01:01:22] <witnit> http://linuxcnc.org/docs/html/hal/canonical-devices.html
[01:01:28] <witnit> why no example :/
[01:02:49] <witnit> im trying to invert pins but all my attempts lead to emc not starting up
[01:03:35] <jdh> try one at a time?
[01:03:38] <_methods> inverting what pins?
[01:03:41] <jdh> what's the error?
[01:03:49] <_methods> ^^
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[01:04:28] <witnit> net dout-01 => hm2_[HOSTMOT2](BOARD).0.gpio.022.out
[01:04:41] <witnit> that is supposed to be inverted since I use opto22's?
[01:05:26] <witnit> my net dout-01 => hm2_[HOSTMOT2](BOARD).0.gpio.016.in works just fine as is
[01:05:51] <_methods> you rollin with the 7i90?
[01:05:54] <witnit> but I can only get my relay to activate by issuing a setp net dout-01 => hm2_[HOSTMOT2](BOARD).0.gpio.022.is_output TRUE
[01:05:58] <witnit> yeah
[01:06:17] <witnit> I cant do it with the m64pX
[01:06:39] <witnit> so I was told to invert them, but I dont know what to type
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[01:07:36] <witnit> jdh the error is i dont know what to type
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[01:08:14] <witnit> just one example is all I need if anyone here ever inverted a pin. ever
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[01:08:31] <witnit> just like... you know link a guy or somethin
[01:09:19] <witnit> setp hm2_[HOSTMOT2](BOARD).0.gpio.022 invert-output true I tried that
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[01:09:32] <witnit> but it just crashed as I figured it would
[01:09:32] <jdh> you have to set it as an output first
[01:10:01] <witnit> yeah, I just didnt see any examples
[01:10:08] <witnit> so didnt know how to do that either
[01:10:22] <jdh> with the is_output
[01:10:30] <witnit> its opendrain already
[01:10:41] <witnit> do I need to tell it its an opendrain output?
[01:11:03] <jdh> did you read the mostmot2 man page/docs?
[01:11:38] <witnit> maybe?
[01:12:16] <jdh> http://linuxcnc.org/docs/html/man/man9/hostmot2.9.html
[01:12:26] <witnit> im lookin
[01:13:28] <witnit> .digout.NN.invert is the same for 7i90 as it is the 7i64?
[01:14:41] <witnit> I see this page has... plenty to read, but if I just saw a working example it would really make more sense to me.
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[01:17:26] <witnit> I have a gpio, its opendrain, but its also invert output those both go on same line, ill keep looking for an example surely someone has one posted
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[01:28:40] <witnit> found a working example, got it 30 seconds :P
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[01:31:31] <jdh> search and ye shall find.
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[01:32:04] <witnit> I just did a search for "invert" "gpio" halfile
[01:32:51] <witnit> the docs are all fine but they just never have enough example and I understand why
[01:33:00] <witnit> dont understand*
[01:35:20] <jdh> http://gnipsel.com/linuxcnc/
[01:35:23] <jdh> he has some good info
[01:35:36] <jdh> also, read the entire integrators manual
[01:35:59] <witnit> I have read so much, its not really retained until I get to the problems
[01:36:14] <witnit> I have the documenation all printed and bound in hardbacks
[01:36:41] <witnit> Its just not much use to me until reference
[01:36:42] <jdh> hard to search that way
[01:37:06] <witnit> well, I did it so I can read them front to back over an over like I said though does not retain well
[01:38:34] <witnit> yes I have a few of those docs reads over as well
[01:55:54] <XXCoder> the phone part is scary. http://maxmali.com/ripper-the-different-cnc/
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[02:14:50] <tjtr33> interesting mechanism http://video.techbriefs.com/video/Robotic-Penguin-Inspired-Propul;Motion-Control
[02:16:29] <witnit> indeed
[02:16:44] <witnit> I wonder how well that would translate windpower
[02:16:47] <MrHindsight> the flapper
[02:16:59] <witnit> flap on flap off
[02:17:12] <witnit> :]
[02:19:49] <witnit> I think I design like that may do well in erratic wind
[02:20:09] <witnit> if inertia could be controlled well anyhow
[02:21:15] <witnit> I ran this 5000 times and only lost 7 counts. I think its response time is plenty good :) m64p1
[02:21:16] <witnit> g4p[.0001]
[02:21:16] <witnit> m65p1
[02:21:16] <witnit> g4p[.0001]
[02:22:03] <MrHindsight> http://slashdot.org/story/14/04/21/2354200/the-science-behind-powdered-alcohol
[02:23:05] <witnit> lul so where the science part at
[02:23:15] <MrHindsight> http://motherboard.vice.com/read/the-science-behind-powdered-alcohol-the-latest-way-to-get-drunk
[02:23:42] <MrHindsight> http://www.google.com/patents/US3795747
[02:24:12] <humble_sea_bass> you know
[02:24:23] <humble_sea_bass> i like the liquid part of it all
[02:24:34] <MrHindsight> certain carbohydrate materials, when suitably modified with respect to physical form, will, in the presence of significant amounts of water, absorb large quantities of alcohol to form stable, flowable carbohydrate powders containing up to 60 percent by weight ethanol
[02:25:46] <MrHindsight> http://www.bevlaw.com/bevlog/alcohol-beverages-generally/powdered-alcohol
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[02:31:21] <XXCoder> MrHindsight: lol I libjked to it a bit ago
[02:31:31] <XXCoder> snort it'
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[02:36:15] <witnit> I wonder if it would be possible to have a car that ran on dryalcohol/water
[02:36:24] <XXCoder> good question
[02:36:30] <XXCoder> might have same issues as gunpowder
[02:36:31] <Valen> why bother with water?
[02:36:33] <witnit> you should be able to travel very far only adding water along your way
[02:36:57] <Valen> and the energy density would be less than for just pure alcahol I'd imagine
[02:36:57] <witnit> so it flows mmaaaaaann
[02:37:07] <witnit> not necessarily
[02:37:13] <Valen> you can work with fine enough dusts
[02:37:24] <Valen> coal fired power plants operate with coal dust as a rule
[02:37:25] <witnit> since water has hydrogen
[02:37:29] <witnit> you can burn it too
[02:37:58] <Valen> sure you can
[02:38:23] <Valen> just strip it off the oxygen using less energy than you need to put it on and I'll buy it from you
[02:38:44] <witnit> nahh you would need the alcohol to start keep the cycle up I think
[02:39:42] <Valen> you missed the part where you invented a perpetual motion machine
[02:40:09] <witnit> I dont understand
[02:40:40] <witnit> you cant do perpetual motion by breaking down water and burning the hydrogen
[02:40:51] <witnit> not how it works
[02:42:00] <Valen> if you expect to seperate hydrogen from oxygen, and then do the reverse and come out in front it is a perpetual motion machine
[02:42:12] <witnit> however when using tempuratures which alcohol burns you can get a 16 fold expansion rate from your water to steam and another 16 fold splitting it to hydrogen and oxygen as well as implosion after the firing
[02:42:21] <witnit> no its not like that
[02:42:39] <witnit> you just become more effiecient with already wasted energy in the form of pressure and heat
[02:46:16] <skunkworks_> guy at work made one of those hydrogen generators for his car.. I tried not to laugh at him.
[02:46:56] <XXCoder> alternate fuel isnt magic
[02:47:07] <XXCoder> theres reason we dont all have it now
[02:47:24] <XXCoder> theres scientists making crude oil direct from sun
[02:47:27] <jdh> because the big oil companies keep it secret
[02:47:28] <jdh> duh
[02:47:34] <skunkworks_> got that right!
[02:47:37] <skunkworks_> ;)
[02:47:37] <XXCoder> and other making fuel direct from seawater
[02:48:09] <XXCoder> so yeah somewhat soon we will be driving 6 mpg cars... but 100% envormental, no drilling
[02:48:20] <witnit> it wont be long
[02:48:30] <witnit> the batteries are just now coming out of patent holds
[02:49:05] <witnit> china will mass produce very good baterries some day
[02:49:15] <XXCoder> thatset itself in fire
[02:49:20] <XXCoder> awesome otherwise
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[02:50:08] <witnit> once cars convert to electricity, they will probably become the main batteries for energy from the sun and wind which are not constants
[02:50:39] <witnit> just the grid would use your car for its storage when you werent driving
[02:50:50] <witnit> and then of course you can charge from the grid
[02:58:20] <MrHindsight> the new Chevy Moses, 40 years to the gallon!
[02:58:29] <XXCoder> lol
[02:58:57] <XXCoder> "110% effecient! Refuel your other cars once a while from this car!"
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[03:05:10] <XXCoder> MrHindsight: hmm powsder achcol use: "legal" open container coke. :P
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[03:05:57] <MrHindsight> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Pm4n7t9R8M Monkey on a motorcycle
[03:07:02] <MrHindsight> I wonder where he would go without the leash?
[03:07:22] <XXCoder> dunno but its not nice :(
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[03:10:58] <MrHindsight> lots of technical problems have been solved for non fossil fueled power, it always ends up with politics as the main problem
[03:11:36] <MrHindsight> same for water filtration, low cost housing, sanitation etc etc
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[03:18:45] <MrHindsight> http://phys.org/search/?search=alternate+energy there must be an announcement made per day on biofuels, efficient waste energy harvesting, solar cells, wind and ocean power etc etc
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[03:20:45] <p0st4L> so question, if you're lines start going crooked, what owuld be the cause
[03:21:20] <XXCoder> I'm lines?
[03:21:33] <p0st4L> lol, i used the wrong yoUR
[03:21:36] <p0st4L> geez
[03:21:48] <XXCoder> ah maybe someone here knows
[03:21:49] <p0st4L> t'is been a long day
[03:22:00] <p0st4L> it was cutting nicely when i first set iit up
[03:22:13] <p0st4L> now it's bowing the inside lines
[03:22:15] <MrHindsight> https://www1.eere.energy.gov/hydrogenandfuelcells/pdfs/aluminum_water_hydrogen.pdf
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[03:22:40] <XXCoder> wonder if your rails or screw got stuff in it now
[03:23:08] <p0st4L> il take some canned air and grease to it
[03:23:11] <p0st4L> clean it up
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[03:34:57] <MrHindsight> http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/thermo/electrol.html#c2 Electrolysis of Water and Hydrogen Fuel Cell
[03:35:19] <witnit> p0st4l, sounds like your rails are not straight anymore, do your indicators all look good?
[03:35:44] <p0st4L> yeah. evyerhting looks fine, and nothing changed.
[03:35:59] <witnit> stepper or servo?
[03:36:04] <p0st4L> stepper
[03:36:10] <p0st4L> fireball v90
[03:36:13] <p0st4L> w/ gecko kit
[03:36:27] <witnit> what happens when you compare step counts?
[03:36:43] <p0st4L> haven't done that yet
[03:36:58] <p0st4L> just ran a job earlier and it came out all fubar'd
[03:37:20] <witnit> I would count steps, but I never used steppers before so maybe keep asking :)
[03:38:24] <witnit> Im guessing if you did like, 100 circles they would eventually walk across your table?
[03:38:31] <witnit> is that what you mean?
[03:40:06] <witnit> also which direction on the table is it "going crooked"
[03:41:11] <witnit> you could also have a missing tooth on a belt/gear and I think it could cause you a similar issue
[03:42:13] <witnit> maybe your pully is slipping on your shaft and causing it to lose its location
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[04:52:03] <witnit>
[04:53:25] <Valen> it looks the part if nothing else witnit lol
[04:53:55] <witnit> I have less than $130 in the whole build including the mesa card :)
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[07:04:13] <Jymmm> ~~~ Gas Cylinder Identification and Markings - http://www.airgas.com/content/details.aspx?id=7000000000243
[07:04:53] <witnit> nice
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[07:11:25] <Deejay> moin
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[07:11:49] <witnit> mojn
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[08:38:39] <ubu--> hi chanel
[08:38:46] <ubu--> hi all
[08:38:57] <ubu--> How I do linuxcnc camera?
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[08:42:04] <Tom_itx> http://www.linuxcnc.org/index.php/french/forum/21-axis/26799-camera-and-co-ordinates-from-cross-hair
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[08:44:59] <Tom_itx> http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?Axis_Embed_Video
[08:49:53] <ubu--> thanks I'm new linuxcnc
[08:50:08] <ubu--> if I can,always use emc2
[08:53:47] <psha[work]> logger[psha]: .
[08:54:06] <ubu--> how I embed this?
[08:54:24] <ubu--> Do I reinstall emc?
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[09:28:51] <hshbedah> ehm.. on my linuxcnc installation the panel bars are broken. is this a known issue? the pc got a new gfx card after installation
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[09:36:35] <ubu-2-> ubu was here
[09:37:15] <ubu-2-> hi psha[work]
[09:38:18] <ubu-2-> Tom_itx: I do this but emc error "EMBED_TAB_NAME = CAM_View EMBED_TAB_COMMAND = camview-emc -C camviewcfg -w {XID"
[09:59:16] <psha[work]> do what
[09:59:17] <psha[work]> what error
[10:05:24] <ubu-2-> paste here or pm?
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[10:18:20] <ubu-2-> add in [DISPLAY] section [DISPLAY] EMBED_TAB_NAME = CAM_View EMBED_TAB_COMMAND = camview-emc -C camviewcfg -w {XID}
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[10:25:37] <ubu-2-> http://www.pastebin.ca/2700656
[10:26:05] <ubu-2-> .ini
[10:26:10] <ubu-2-> and error log http://www.pastebin.ca/2700652
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[11:12:24] <ubu-2-> psha[work]: =)
[11:20:22] <psha[work]> ubu-2-: you have no camview-emc program
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[11:23:13] <ubu-2-> how I install camview-emc?
[11:26:47] <ubu-2-> I try apt-get install camview,but not found
[11:26:53] <ubu-2-> ubuntu 10.04
[11:29:57] <psha[work]> have you read instructions how to install it?
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[11:40:58] <_methods> psha[work]: what cams have you been using?
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[11:43:49] <psha[work]> _methods: some crappy usb microscopes
[11:43:53] <_methods> k
[11:43:59] <_methods> the ebay $45 ones?
[11:44:11] <psha[work]> local store sub $30 ones )
[11:44:15] <_methods> k
[11:44:34] <psha[work]> speed is horrible - only satic images
[11:44:52] <_methods> well as long as it works lol
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[11:55:41] <MrHindsight> I found a few low cost USB cameras that work well at 1-2" from the focus
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[11:56:45] <MrHindsight> I'm going to finish the auto HOME based on edge and feature detection
[12:02:46] <psha[work]> MrHindsight: problem is with focus speed
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[12:03:09] <psha[work]> when object is moving low cost cameras just show gray blurry crap
[12:03:34] <psha[work]> when you don't move everything is just fine
[12:04:51] <MrHindsight> psha[work]: are you trying to track moving objects? What was your frame rate?
[12:05:19] <psha[work]> no, no tracking
[12:05:54] <psha[work]> static positioning - ask user to set two positions on two cameras and then move based on that data
[12:06:08] <MrHindsight> for edge detection and generation of a an offset it just takes one clear frame with the edge in view
[12:06:26] <psha[work]> yep, and then calculate move and do it
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[12:06:44] <psha[work]> but i've used human-based detection
[12:07:34] <MrHindsight> I'm working on automating that, it's nothing new, it just needs to work with Linuxcnc
[12:07:46] <psha[work]> auto detection was not tested since i had no access to real targets
[12:08:15] <psha[work]> and it was disabled in production
[12:08:23] <MrHindsight> I also need to detect defects on the surface of parts and generate a mask based on the defect
[12:08:38] <psha[work]> take a look at opencv
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[12:08:44] <psha[work]> it simplifies image processing a lot
[12:08:50] <MrHindsight> I started working on this again a few weeks ago but your repo was down :)
[12:08:51] <psha[work]> also there is example of opencv plugin for camview
[12:09:00] <psha[work]> yep, switch was dead
[12:09:11] <psha[work]> i've replaced it last week
[12:09:36] <MrHindsight> yeah, I forgot to download it when it was up, I grabbed it just last week when you got it back up
[12:10:27] <MrHindsight> we worked on lots of these imaging algorithms back in the early 80's
[12:11:29] <psha[work]> heh, now it much easier
[12:11:31] <MrHindsight> back then it was on a new fangled array processor on the PC XT and ISA bus
[12:11:54] <psha[work]> grab opencv, take feature detection algorithm you want and use it :)
[12:12:02] <MrHindsight> we could capture one RS-170 frame in real time!
[12:12:08] <psha[work]> :)
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[12:12:51] <MrHindsight> over 10 mips pf processing power
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[12:16:06] <Valen> you know what I'd like out of a camera type thing
[12:16:26] <Valen> if before a job you could get it to scan the work area (think kinect)
[12:16:37] <Valen> then simulate the job and make sure its not going to gouge anything
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[12:16:56] <Valen> for extra credit scan before loading the material and make sure you won't wind up cutting a clamp
[12:17:19] <MrHindsight> http://imagebin.org/306958
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[12:17:47] <ubu-2-> sorry my connection is damagned, I gows other machine, to cnc
[12:17:57] <ubu-2-> I use universal webcam
[12:18:01] <MrHindsight> http://imagebin.org/306959
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[12:18:24] <ubu-2-> and read instructions
[12:18:35] <ubu-2-> try apt-get but not found
[12:18:41] <MrHindsight> http://imagebin.org/306960
[12:19:09] <ubu-2-> I'm newbie on linux
[12:19:20] <_methods> MrHindsight: is that one of those cheap usb microscopes?
[12:19:21] <MrHindsight> Valen: we are scanning parts and looking for defects and then going back for repairs
[12:19:23] <psha[work]> so - read again? :)) http://psha.org.ru/b/camview-emc.html#_how_to_get_it
[12:19:24] <_methods> those images are good
[12:19:59] <MrHindsight> http://imagebin.org/306962
[12:20:17] <MrHindsight> 780p ~$25 webcam
[12:20:22] <_methods> no shit
[12:20:43] <_methods> you do anything special with the lens?
[12:20:52] <MrHindsight> found a 640x480 cam with LED's for $6 with a manula focus
[12:20:58] <MrHindsight> manual
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[12:21:30] <MrHindsight> with some cams you need to remove the cover and break the hot glue seal on the lens
[12:21:31] <_methods> well those shots look pretty damn good for $6 cam
[12:21:52] <psha[work]> MrHindsight: http://psha.org.ru/p/cnccutter.png
[12:21:55] <MrHindsight> maybe 1/2 - 1 turn to get the focus down to ~1"
[12:22:07] <psha[work]> one camera and one vivi test input :)
[12:22:26] <psha[work]> gui for 3-axis positional table
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[12:22:52] <MrHindsight> http://imagebin.org/306963
[12:24:12] <MrHindsight> I have a 5 axis system with 5um repeatability where we can actually deposit material into scratches <10um wide
[12:24:40] <psha[work]> cool
[12:24:59] <Valen> MrHindsight: plating?
[12:25:50] <MrHindsight> additive manufacturing, image anodizing, micromachining
[12:27:55] <MrHindsight> http://imagebin.org/306965 like this one
[12:28:39] <MrHindsight> 5 axis + laser and other attachments on 3 more axis
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[12:33:08] <MrHindsight> http://www.amazon.com/Logitech-960-000585-HD-Webcam-C310/dp/B003LVZO8S was used for those pics ^^
[12:34:32] <MrHindsight> Valen: we also have to 3d scan objects and then inkjet print onto the surfaces
[12:35:27] <ubu-2-> I don't install camview
[12:35:28] <MrHindsight> so preflight based on scanning and vision is in the works
[12:35:38] <ubu-2-> if you free I use teamviewer
[12:36:01] <ubu-2-> this time 25$microscobe have very sharp image.
[12:38:01] <MrHindsight> http://www.ebay.com/itm/200x-Mini-Portable-USB-Digital-Microscope-Endoscope-Otoscope-Camera-LED-/111317537497 these are a scam, only 640 x 480
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[12:39:34] <ubu-2-> look good
[12:39:47] <ubu-2-> but I guess, philips nc900 ;)
[12:39:55] <ubu-2-> old but very strong
[12:39:55] <MrHindsight> http://www.ebay.com/itm/310385448264 only 640 x 480 but with manual focus out of the box, no screw drivers required
[12:40:31] <MrHindsight> and with built in LED's for illumination
[12:40:52] <ubu-2-> http://ikizler.org/displayimage.php?album=498&pos=1
[12:40:55] <psha[work]> ubu-2-: then install it!
[12:41:15] <ubu-2-> http://nightskyinfocus.com/equipment/philips-spc900nc00-webcam-for-astrophotography/
[12:41:16] <psha[work]> it's strange to expect that camview-emc will work without installing it, right?
[12:41:22] <ubu-2-> the reverse process :)
[12:41:48] <ubu-2-> ok psha but how I install camview ?
[12:42:35] <ubu-2-> this way ? -> $ apt-get install python-gnome2 python-glade2 python-numpy python-imaging python-imaging-tk python-xlib python-gtkglext1 python-configobj python-gtksourceview2 glade
[12:42:42] <ubu-2-> psha[work]:
[12:43:22] <psha[work]> no
[12:43:23] <psha[work]> this way
[12:43:26] <psha[work]> apt-get install camview-emc
[12:43:59] <psha[work]> but first - read link i've posted and add http://psha.org.ru/debian repository
[12:48:07] <MrHindsight> http://www.edmundoptics.com/imaging/imaging-lenses/telecentric-lenses/hypercentric-lenses/86586 these or similar with a good camera are the way to go if your budget allows
[12:48:56] <MrHindsight> http://www.edmundoptics.com/imaging/imaging-lenses/techspec-lenses/high-resolution-5-megapixel-telecentric-lenses/63232
[12:50:05] <MrHindsight> http://www.edmundoptics.com/imaging/imaging-lenses/zoom-lenses/eo-precision-zoom-lenses/83894
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[12:52:49] <ubu-2-> apt-get install camview-emc
[12:52:51] <ubu-2-> E: Unable to locate package
[12:53:15] <MrHindsight> probably have to add his repo first
[12:53:35] <ubu-2-> how I do?
[12:54:18] <ubu-2-> hyper lens not cheap
[12:54:20] <MrHindsight> http://psha.org.ru/debian/README.html
[12:54:59] <MrHindsight> http://psha.org.ru/b/camview-emc.html
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[12:56:22] <ubu-2-> hmm
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[13:32:43] <skunkworks_> https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/mach1mach2cnc/conversations/messages/144232
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[13:36:23] <jdh> sorry d00ds, but I fail to find that impressive.
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[13:36:47] <MrHindsight> no blue screen
[13:37:03] <_methods> i don't get it?
[13:37:08] <_methods> they turned a part?
[13:37:38] <jdh> with a laptop
[13:37:58] <skunkworks_> I think he is just showing that things are getting worked on... it is way past when they said it would be released.
[13:38:21] <_methods> i've never tried any of the machs
[13:38:33] <jdh> aren't they removing all of the motion part of mach?
[13:39:11] <skunkworks_> I have heard that they are still going to have the printer port as an option..
[13:39:29] <skunkworks_> but it is mostly geared towards external motion contorllers I think
[13:39:50] <jdh> so everyone motion controller will have to speak mach?
[13:40:09] <jdh> what does mach feed to the controller? time + location?
[13:40:21] <skunkworks_> not exactly sure.. something like that..
[13:41:12] <skunkworks_> sounds like initally smoothstepper will be the only external device supported
[13:41:28] <jdh> that's certainly not limiting.
[13:41:39] <_methods> lol
[13:41:58] <jdh> guess that's why gecko makes step/dir servo drives
[13:44:36] <skunkworks_> As cradek pointed out a long time ago... http://www.joelonsoftware.com/articles/fog0000000069.html
[13:45:33] <jdh> yeah, worst parts of second system syndrome
[13:48:38] <jdh> I often want to do complete re-writes but rarely have time so I try to clean/de-cruft as I go.
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[14:18:00] <cradek> jeez those rapids are slow
[14:20:31] <archivist> my kettle boils faster than that :)
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[14:22:21] <skunkworks_> cradek: http://imagebin.org/306974
[14:22:27] <cradek> my sherline is faster (but it's not step/dir...)
[14:22:31] <skunkworks_> pretty cool (no clue what the numbers mean)
[14:23:00] <skunkworks_> (debug output on robs planner - he must have left it turned on)
[14:23:20] <cradek> those peaks sure look good
[14:23:41] <cradek> all axis constraints being different is newly working?
[14:24:08] <skunkworks_> almost.. I found an issue in the 4 axis tort program
[14:25:21] <archivist> time for a 5 axis tort?
[14:25:31] <cradek> ideally 9
[14:25:40] <archivist> true
[14:25:42] <cradek> I bet uvw are very lightly tested
[14:25:47] <skunkworks_> http://imagebin.org/306976
[14:26:02] <skunkworks_> z should peak at 1in/s^2
[14:26:16] <skunkworks_> I had to rotate it slightly for the error to show
[14:27:06] <skunkworks_> ran all the way through this with no issues http://imagebin.org/306685
[14:27:28] <skunkworks_> and http://imagebin.org/306684
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[14:32:06] <pcw_home> skunkworks_ do you remember what day you posted those encoder velocity estimation artifacts?
[14:32:08] <pcw_home> I want to stare at them awhile and see if there's maybe something better to do than setting the velocity to 0 on reversals
[14:33:24] <skunkworks_> ah
[14:33:30] <skunkworks_> let me look
[14:36:09] <pcw_home> guessing is all you can really do in that circumstance, but it may be that by assuming that
[14:36:10] <pcw_home> the acceleration is constant and bounded you can in most cases make a better estimate
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[14:37:06] <skunkworks_> pcw_home: I bet I put them up on imagebin which is only good for 15 days or so. Let me find them and I will put them up on the web
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[14:56:49] <skunkworks> pcw_home, http://electronicsam.com/images/KandT/testing/velpcw/
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[15:06:22] <pcw_home> Thanks!
[15:06:55] <skunkworks> if you need any other traces - I think I have it setup still
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[15:09:57] <pcw_home> Those are fine. The last one is quite good in showing the issue
[15:09:58] <pcw_home> (if you imagine that it stopped rather than reversed its doing the best it can)
[15:10:43] <skunkworks> right
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[15:11:46] <pcw_home> (1/t estimate decay as soon as the time become longer that the last delta time between edges)
[15:11:55] <pcw_home> becomes
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[15:16:47] <skunkworks> can't you predict the future?
[15:16:50] <skunkworks> ;)
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[15:29:57] <pcw_home> There also seems to be some asymmetry in the stepgen
[15:31:21] <pcw_home> (number of counts to left and right N mS of 0 velocity point is not the same)
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[16:21:51] <Loetmichel> *gnah* sometimes i wonder if my boss has a clue at all. tomorrow morning my co-worker came and asked: "michel, do you know why we dont get mails since thursday?" so i logged into the server to look... hmm, just a moment? where is our Website? and why is there a site from Network solutions stating that the domain ist expires and in renewal? *FUUUU*** BOSS: YOU SHOULD READ THAT MAILS FROM THE
[16:21:51] <Loetmichel> PROVIDER! NOT THROW IT IN THE TRAS UNREAD!!!!1111 ... had cost me most of the day to get the doman renewed and bound to the hoster again. luckily no domaingrabber was faster than me. :-(
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[16:22:42] <XXCoder> Loetmichel: ow
[16:23:21] <Loetmichel> today morning, not tomorrow, of course
[16:25:27] <XXCoder> if company you work for depends on email for confidental info, losinf domain is one of worse possible event
[16:25:59] <Loetmichel> lets say we make military shielded IT equipment
[16:26:20] <Loetmichel> whole easter without website is not a good thing ;-)
[16:26:45] <XXCoder> expecially if company that gets business spike in easter
[16:26:54] <Loetmichel> not really
[16:27:27] <Loetmichel> but the emails my company receives are often confidental because of the customers ;-)
[16:27:41] <XXCoder> yeah
[16:27:56] <XXCoder> hope not too much damage by missing a day
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[16:28:58] <Loetmichel> not a day
[16:29:00] <rmu> sending confidential emails in the clear is not a good idea.
[16:29:22] <Loetmichel> last mail from 04/17 next from today at 14:00
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[16:29:36] <Loetmichel> rmu: confidental stuff is encryted
[16:29:40] <XXCoder> oh
[16:29:42] <Loetmichel> still bad to loose some
[16:29:45] <XXCoder> thats worse
[16:30:02] <XXCoder> loosen the emails of war :P
[16:30:53] <XXCoder> (I know, its actually "Cry 'Havoc!', and let slip the dogs of war")
[16:31:09] <rmu> just have them sent again. shouldn't be a real problem. of course it is very embarrassign.
[16:31:34] <XXCoder> yeah. calls into question company ability to keep attention to details. like domain expiring
[16:31:48] <cpresser> if there was no other provider with a matching MX entry all mail should either be still in the mailq
[16:31:51] <cpresser> or bounced
[16:31:58] <Loetmichel> rmu: thats the point
[16:31:58] <cpresser> either way, nothing is really lost
[16:32:16] <Loetmichel> its embarrasing to let it slip on the domain renewal
[16:32:30] <Loetmichel> especially for a company that deals in security ;-)
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[16:32:49] <rmu> security is not a commodity ;-)
[16:32:51] <Loetmichel> cpresser: only reputation... agan
[16:32:54] <Loetmichel> again
[16:33:23] <Loetmichel> rmu: we sell Tempest-proof IT equipment.
[16:33:30] <Loetmichel> certified
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[16:36:32] <rmu> sounds like pretty useless stuff, without network interfaces, no screens, ... ;-)
[16:37:12] <Loetmichel> rmu: http://cordsen.com/index.php/tempest/tempest-level-a/workstation
[16:37:22] <Loetmichel> http://cordsen.com/index.php/tempest/tempest-level-a/monitor
[16:37:37] <Loetmichel> ... monitors, workstations, printers, laptops... all you want
[16:37:47] <Loetmichel> but network is Optical fiber
[16:38:06] <Loetmichel> and monitoras have a glass sheet with shielding mesh in front ;-)
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[16:42:03] <rmu> glorified faraday cage... nevermind. in this case it is doubly embarrassing :)
[16:43:30] <Loetmichel> thats the point ;-)
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[17:12:08] <IchGuckLive> hi all B)
[17:12:14] <XXCoder> hey ich
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[17:13:40] <XXCoder> IchGuckLive, I'm still unsure what parts you meant that could act like rails in home depot
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[17:14:07] <IchGuckLive> for kitchendoors
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[17:14:39] <XXCoder> I dont get it? what parts for kitchendoor?
[17:15:05] <MrHindsight> maybe drawer slides?
[17:15:34] <XXCoder> well my bro has amazon premium so I can get free shipping when I order sbr from amazon so I'll go for that :)
[17:15:44] <XXCoder> it's heck of a lot of savings
[17:15:45] <MrHindsight> or tracks for sliding doors
[17:16:00] <_methods> http://www.homedepot.com/p/Johnson-Hardware-111SD-Series-72-in-2-Door-Bypass-Track-and-Hardware-Set-111722DR/100657986
[17:16:17] <_methods> hehe 72in
[17:16:27] <jdh> drawer slides
[17:16:42] <XXCoder> interesting
[17:16:59] <MrHindsight> for reprap quality machine builds
[17:17:25] <XXCoder> thats issue. one of reasons I decided sbr16 is better
[17:17:28] <jdh> I don't see any Amazon Prime SBR
[17:17:48] <_methods> i wonder if they killed the prime on it
[17:17:56] <_methods> my buddy was gettin shit tons on prime
[17:18:00] <XXCoder> reading benefits of prime
[17:18:32] <jdh> prime is only on amazon fulfilled stuff. Their small parts has tons of stuff though.
[17:19:27] <XXCoder> IchGuckLive: is sbr 12mm enough for decent wood milling
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[17:20:05] <IchGuckLive> shure if wood is not MDF 2inch
[17:20:31] <jdh> looks like chinese ebay rails woudl still be cheaper
[17:23:20] <_methods> http://www.amazon.com/Linear-Motion-Guideway-System-Support/dp/B002BBK20O/ref=sr_1_12?s=industrial&ie=UTF8&qid=1398187379&sr=1-12&keywords=linear+rail
[17:23:23] <_methods> that one is prime
[17:23:50] <jdh> and priced primely
[17:23:53] <_methods> not sure how cost equals out
[17:24:11] <_methods> i just get mine from ebay and pay shipping
[17:24:21] <_methods> too much trouble searching amazon
[17:24:29] <XXCoder> chinese ebay has entire kits at 250 or so
[17:24:38] <jdh> $200 for half of one axis
[17:24:52] <XXCoder> unfortunately tend to have shipping as expensive as kit
[17:25:09] <_methods> yeah it takes some hunting to find the best deal
[17:25:24] <XXCoder> http://stores.ebay.com/linearmotionbearings
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[17:25:45] <_methods> hell searching for the stuff keeps me from going bankrupt
[17:25:54] <XXCoder> http://www.ebay.com/itm/3-ballscrews-ballscrew-3set-SBR-rails-3sets-BK-BF12-3-couplings-Promotions-/251449603748?pt=BI_Heavy_Equipment_Parts&hash=item3a8b9076a4 is decent but dont have money yet, still saving up
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[17:26:25] <XXCoder> that rail and screw system us plenty large for my uses
[17:26:29] <_methods> yeah usually by time your done researching you have enough fundage to do it lol
[17:27:26] <XXCoder> my prediction is around 2 months to get enough money. too bad I'm also saving up for replacement car
[17:27:37] <XXCoder> I save $200 a month for car, $100 a month for cnc
[17:28:11] <jdh> I sold enough stuff to buy a 6040, now I can't bring myself to buy one.
[17:30:08] <_methods> hehe do it
[17:30:13] <_methods> gogogogo
[17:31:25] <jdh> it's the shipping that kills me.
[17:31:58] <_methods> yeah it definitely adds to the pain
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[17:32:17] <XXCoder> yeah. too bad I dont have jumper ability
[17:32:25] <_methods> hehe
[17:32:25] <XXCoder> I'd do local pickup of freakin everything
[17:32:36] <FinboySlick> Poor Freenode, getting hammered lately.
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[17:40:43] <jdh> $1964 delivered from carving-cnc.com or $1600 for unknown ebay vendor
[17:41:28] <XXCoder> or your own creation lol
[17:42:24] <jdh> I have more money than time
[17:42:37] <XXCoder> I have opposite problem lol
[17:43:38] <XXCoder> jdh: http://www.olaalaa.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/funny-reality-time-money-energy-young-adult-old-pictures-images-photos.jpg
[17:45:35] <_methods> haha i love this 6040 it's only $1300............but wait shipping $700 lol
[17:45:45] <_methods> http://www.ebay.com/itm/New-Router-Engraver-CNC-6040-for-Drilling-and-Milling-/280648513498?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item4157f477da
[17:46:12] <XXCoder> outside usa
[17:46:16] <MrHindsight> they deliver by taxi to your home or office
[17:46:33] <XXCoder> MrHindsight: even overseas. ;)
[17:47:18] <XXCoder> it stil shows as $699 shipping
[17:48:04] <MrHindsight> http://www.ebay.com/itm/CNC-6040-ROUTER-ENGRAVER-DRILLING-MILLING-MACHINE-e2-/180606887087 $1,585.80 free shipping
[17:49:11] <XXCoder> what places best place to buy limit switches?
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[17:49:36] <FinboySlick> A friend who's into textiles showed me a cutting table, their cross-slides are made of a tubular carbon fiber beam. Thought that was a good rigidity/weight compromise.
[17:50:12] <_methods> wtf do they make the gantry out of on those 6040's
[17:50:21] <_methods> is it made out of wood?
[17:50:38] <XXCoder> smaller size 3020 http://www.ebay.com/itm/CNC-ROUTER-ENGRAVER-ENGRAVING-MACHINE-3020-DESKTOP-DRILLING-MILLING-a5/130999706774?_trksid=p2047675.c100005.m1851&_trkparms=aid%3D222003%26algo%3DSIC.FIT%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D21398%26meid%3D6388598647287695667%26pid%3D100005%26prg%3D9407%26rk%3D3%26rkt%3D6%26sd%3D180606887087&rt=nc
[17:50:50] <_methods> hard to tell from the pics if they paint it to look like alum
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[17:51:26] <_methods> guess it says 15mm 6063.....
[17:51:45] <MrHindsight> I'm sure they look pretty bad like the 4530's I got
[17:52:44] <_methods> the gantry?
[17:52:48] <_methods> how bad was it?
[17:53:09] <MrHindsight> http://imagebin.org/307005
[17:53:11] <_methods> it looks like 2 shcs holding the gantry risers downs
[17:53:15] <_methods> down
[17:53:35] <MrHindsight> http://imagebin.org/307006
[17:53:53] <_methods> interesting
[17:54:13] <_methods> heh i was expecting even worse for taht price lol
[17:54:26] <MrHindsight> they clean up well http://imagebin.org/307008
[17:54:43] <_methods> ah yeah
[17:54:47] <_methods> you get it anodized
[17:55:02] <MrHindsight> after sanding and polishing
[17:55:17] <_methods> they definitely didn't run the parts through the sander lol
[17:55:27] <MrHindsight> it's like they machine the parts and throw them into a pit
[17:55:44] <MrHindsight> then after a few weeks of rain they assemble the router
[17:55:45] <archivist> tumble polisher :)
[17:55:45] <_methods> well it was definitely a mill finish on it
[17:56:15] <MrHindsight> brown oxide treated fasteners
[17:56:20] <_methods> hahah
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[17:56:51] <_methods> i think i'd have to do something about the 4 screws holding the gantry uprights though
[17:56:58] <_methods> is it pretty rigid?
[17:57:21] <MrHindsight> and all use free floating end bearings for the ballscrews, none of that preloaded stuff that tends to wear :)
[17:57:21] <_methods> i guess with teh z axis stuff on there it's probably not a killer
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[17:58:20] <MrHindsight> after I reworked them they had zero lash but I could twist them with my arms
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[17:58:51] <_methods> well for cuttin pcbs and some light milling on plastic i'm sure they're perfect
[17:59:02] <_methods> for the price
[17:59:03] <MrHindsight> yeah, good enough for that
[17:59:19] <jdh> The 6040 electronics are junky at best. The carving-cnc ones are supposed to be useable though.
[17:59:19] <MrHindsight> I'm using them for non-contact
[17:59:36] <MrHindsight> laser, inkjet, micronozzle etc
[17:59:37] <_methods> yeah i've heard the elex are shit
[18:01:17] <XXCoder> no contact printer heh
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[18:02:26] <_methods> well by time you buy the rails, vfd, spindle, water pump, ballscrews, $1500 is kinda hard to beat
[18:02:37] <_methods> and it's all "assembled" for you
[18:03:04] <XXCoder> yeah, you'd probably have to rebuild if chinese sourced though
[18:03:12] <XXCoder> replace all shitty bearings
[18:03:31] <MrHindsight> the bearings also tend to be a bit crunchy
[18:03:32] <_methods> i have no idea i've never bought one
[18:03:52] <XXCoder> from what I read, many people say dont trust shitty chinese bearings
[18:03:55] <MrHindsight> like a few square ones made it past QC or they got dirty
[18:04:29] <MrHindsight> even the automation technology bearings are crap
[18:04:55] <XXCoder> I just hope ones I get is functional enough
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[18:04:56] <_methods> haha i would imagine no one cuts of the end of the bars in china
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[18:05:06] <_methods> even the mill snipe goes in
[18:05:06] <MrHindsight> clean but also noisy and bit crunchy out of the box with plenty of new grease
[18:05:38] <MrHindsight> why throw it away?
[18:05:45] <_methods> hehe no kidding
[18:06:09] <XXCoder> so clean em and repack?
[18:06:21] <MrHindsight> even then they are still crunchy
[18:06:34] <XXCoder> does it get better with use?
[18:06:37] <MrHindsight> I even ran them for a few km
[18:06:42] <MrHindsight> still crunchy
[18:07:28] <MrHindsight> the balls are just too random is size and shape
[18:07:33] <MrHindsight> is/in
[18:07:49] <XXCoder> I know theres few sites with precision balls
[18:08:00] <XXCoder> probably could find average size and order bunch
[18:08:57] <_methods> so who the hell do you level that bed?
[18:09:01] <MrHindsight> no matter what size, 8mm "reprap" rail or 25mm sbr, the blocks are all terrible
[18:09:18] <_methods> *how
[18:09:37] <XXCoder> well it might be awful for high precison but I'm fine with 0.01mm
[18:09:40] <_methods> lookin at a pic of one now and it looks like the deck of a pirate ship
[18:10:05] <MrHindsight> yes, they use several extrusions side by side
[18:11:24] <_methods> i guess you would just make a sub plate and deck it off even with the gantry
[18:13:05] <MrHindsight> fly cutter :)
[18:13:25] <_methods> heh in that er11 collet lol
[18:14:13] <MrHindsight> no matter what they just aren't good for much beyond pcb's, chipboard, foam, cheese, etc
[18:14:22] <_methods> yeah
[18:14:26] <_methods> good for learning on
[18:14:32] <MrHindsight> artwork on sheet metal
[18:14:58] <XXCoder> mr one you rebuilt?
[18:15:05] <XXCoder> it sure looks tough enough to mill alum
[18:15:27] <MrHindsight> maybe up to 1mm max
[18:15:34] <_methods> light cuts
[18:15:42] <XXCoder> 1mm depth eh
[18:15:55] <XXCoder> guess it'd be slow milling anything thicker
[18:16:18] <_methods> speed costs $$$
[18:16:21] <MrHindsight> I picked up a router with 1/4" collet, I'll cut some parts later this week and show you
[18:16:39] <XXCoder> yeah. I guess my wood one would be even slower
[18:17:00] <XXCoder> I plan to box the gantry to make it tougher
[18:17:36] <MrHindsight> you're better off getting used ball screw positioners from eaby
[18:17:48] <XXCoder> positioners?
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[18:18:27] <MrHindsight> http://www.ebay.com/itm/330862788972
[18:18:29] <XXCoder> got link? its first time I heard of positioners
[18:18:58] <XXCoder> oh interesting
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[18:19:28] <MrHindsight> http://www.ebay.com/itm/330872994206
[18:19:46] <MrHindsight> great bearings, nice ballscrews
[18:19:58] <MrHindsight> already assembled
[18:20:20] <XXCoder> yeah. I'm startng cheap though so if I screw up and break something its not expensive break
[18:20:55] <MrHindsight> I use lots of linear servo motors http://www.ebay.com/itm/330655183055
[18:21:06] <MrHindsight> just add linear bearing
[18:21:36] <MrHindsight> but everyone says they are difficult to setup and tune
[18:21:41] <XXCoder> wouldnt I need two of those? of is it center movement and needs sbr rails on sides?
[18:21:51] <MrHindsight> but I rarely use steppers
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[18:22:16] <MrHindsight> the linear servo itself has no bearings
[18:22:55] <MrHindsight> you have to add the bearings and the body to hold it all
[18:23:14] <XXCoder> cool
[18:23:16] <MrHindsight> but there's is no contact in the motor
[18:23:36] <XXCoder> might be in my future lol but more likely my second cnc router would be 8020 frame type
[18:24:19] <MrHindsight> no lash, very fast, highest res, but also highest cost
[18:24:32] <XXCoder> I bet
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[18:25:05] <MrHindsight> complete linear servo positioners are easily >$5K for 300mm of travel
[18:25:17] <XXCoder> ow
[18:26:12] <MrHindsight> http://www.ebay.com/itm/130839251752 this is a bargain, they are over 2x new just for the magnets and forcer coil
[18:26:49] <XXCoder> wow. lol
[18:28:17] <MrHindsight> that 5 axis stage I posted earlier has >$60K in positioners
[18:28:49] <XXCoder> I guess when you really need precision you need it
[18:28:58] <XXCoder> how many decimical?
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[18:29:11] <MrHindsight> and it all goes into a temp controlled enclosure
[18:30:12] <MrHindsight> we can print 5um wide lines inside of 10um wide spaces all day long
[18:30:35] <XXCoder> I checked gauge for ethernet cat 5. 24. too small drat
[18:30:45] <XXCoder> It'd be nice and cheap
[18:31:05] <XXCoder> and even better, nicely bundled too
[18:31:31] <MrHindsight> great for signals
[18:31:35] <XXCoder> 0.001 pretty precise
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[18:31:54] <XXCoder> still not precise enough to make lego parts lol
[18:32:10] <XXCoder> they use I think 8 decmical precision molds
[18:32:18] <XXCoder> which is nuts
[18:32:59] <MrHindsight> 0.001mm is well beyond the requirement for Lego's
[18:33:49] <MrHindsight> 0.000001mm (1nm) is smaller than the monomers used in the resin
[18:33:55] <XXCoder> 0.002 millimeters.
[18:33:59] <XXCoder> I was bit wrong
[18:34:28] <MrHindsight> 2um is probably the finish
[18:34:34] <XXCoder> whats a few exponental off betwen friends ;)
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[18:37:18] <XXCoder> lol https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=sZpdr8B5kcE
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[18:42:56] <MrHindsight> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TqokK03BJsM
[18:43:17] <XXCoder> 50m per min wow
[18:45:22] <MrHindsight> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A-wmHVPLJ6Q
[18:45:50] <MrHindsight> anyone know who did this one? ^^
[18:46:13] <MrHindsight> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WztaVy8CNSU&list=UUAeo4FW626Z6HQgb5ihgFIw
[18:47:57] <MrHindsight> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PVuPHD1LpL8&list=UUAeo4FW626Z6HQgb5ihgFIw&index=6
[18:50:53] <_methods> no idea but that's a spensive little rig that guy had set up
[18:51:33] <MrHindsight> he built his own servo amps
[18:51:51] <MrHindsight> maybe he also found used Anorad linear servos
[18:52:46] <MrHindsight> the AB servo amps work well with them, they even have the 1v p-p encoder inputs
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[18:55:53] <_methods> he had some money tied up in that
[18:56:21] <XXCoder> I dont see how thats 4 axis yet
[18:57:44] <_methods> the 2 motors are independent
[18:57:51] <_methods> so he can cut tapers
[18:58:02] <XXCoder> ahh I see
[18:58:15] <_methods> it's like an edm
[18:58:28] <XXCoder> I suppose its 3d as long as you dont do certain shapes
[18:58:36] <XXCoder> I dont think it can do pockets
[18:58:42] <_methods> heh no
[18:58:46] <_methods> it's a wire machine
[18:58:50] <_methods> like a wire edm
[18:58:51] <XXCoder> indeed
[18:59:18] <_methods> but yea no pockets
[19:00:17] <MrHindsight> 0.5um encoders
[19:01:55] <MrHindsight> Anorad controllers used analog 1v p-p optical encoders and had settings down to 5nm
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[19:32:29] <shaun414> hi
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[19:58:05] <_methods> anyone on here got one of these?
[19:58:07] <_methods> http://www.ebay.com/itm/CNC-engraving-machine-Rotary-Axis-A-Axis-B-Axis-4th-5th-Axis-CNC-Rotary-Table/261198401838?_trksid=p2047675.c100011.m1850&_trkparms=aid%3D222006%26algo%3DSIC.FITP%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D22468%26meid%3D6390663654718149982%26pid%3D100011%26prg%3D9735%26rk%3D4%26rkt%3D10%26sd%3D261118755481
[19:58:13] <_methods> oye
[19:58:14] <_methods> sorry bout the link one sec
[19:58:32] <_methods> http://bit.ly/QD5FLI
[19:58:35] <_methods> there we go
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[20:02:06] <_methods> or even one of the trunion ones like this?
[20:02:08] <_methods> http://www.ebay.com/itm/H-Style-A-Axis-B-Axis-CNC-Engraving-Machine-Rotary-Table-For-3040-4th-5th-Axis-/261403764123
[20:03:20] <MrHindsight> I've seen them at automation technology, I took a pass
[20:03:31] <_methods> yeah they look pretty bad
[20:03:33] <MrHindsight> fine for artwork
[20:03:43] <_methods> yeah i just want to mess with 5 axis toolpaths
[20:03:50] <_methods> try out new stuff you know
[20:03:58] <MrHindsight> fine as a toy
[20:04:04] <_methods> be nice to sit at the house drinkin a beer and play with pathing
[20:04:13] <_methods> nobody standing behind my damn shoulder
[20:04:18] <MrHindsight> maybe engrave things as they market them for
[20:04:26] <_methods> i was just gonna cut uhmw
[20:04:29] <_methods> or pvc
[20:04:33] <_methods> or whatever
[20:04:41] <_methods> wood i guess
[20:04:50] <MrHindsight> but as wobbly as a drunken sailor with two wooden legs at the fun house
[20:04:55] <_methods> not gonna be doin any hastelloy on it lol
[20:05:51] <_methods> looks like i could probably make one for about the same price
[20:05:53] <_methods> 2 steppers
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[20:06:08] <_methods> some bad bearings
[20:06:50] <MrHindsight> probably even better
[20:06:56] <_methods> yeah
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[20:07:17] <_methods> doesn't really look like it's worth $300+
[20:07:28] <MrHindsight> it takes a lot of work to make bearings in the first place, they just stop short of doing it right
[20:07:51] <MrHindsight> dirty, parts that look tossed around
[20:08:05] <MrHindsight> no real care in assembly
[20:08:28] <_methods> well they're gettin a lot of practice over there
[20:08:29] <MrHindsight> and if it's been painted it's either 30% overspray or done with a mop
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[20:08:52] <MrHindsight> but these vendors are just sad
[20:08:57] <_methods> yeah
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[20:09:06] <MrHindsight> just careless
[20:09:29] <MrHindsight> but the pics in the ads look great
[20:09:33] <_methods> well for that price i should be able to slap my own together
[20:09:43] <_methods> actually it looks kinds sketch
[20:09:45] <_methods> y
[20:09:55] <_methods> but all that chinese stuff is lol
[20:09:59] <XXCoder> theres smaller 4+5 axis
[20:10:01] <XXCoder> a sec
[20:10:15] <MrHindsight> there are better vendors, but you need to be there
[20:10:30] <MrHindsight> and then it's getting them to QC the way you want
[20:10:45] <MrHindsight> lots of machine tool makers get their castings done there
[20:10:48] <_methods> well taht one table has 2 screws in it lol
[20:10:57] <MrHindsight> then they just finish and assemble here
[20:11:57] <MrHindsight> often the people assembling them have no clue what it is that they are making, they used to work in fields, now they have a city job
[20:12:45] <MrHindsight> and the managers treat them like crap and don't explain much or train them
[20:12:57] <XXCoder> cant find it, it uses nema23 and it rotates tool head
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[20:13:45] <MrHindsight> http://www.ebay.com/itm/H-Style-A-Axis-B-Axis-CNC-Engraving-Machine-Rotary-Table-For-3040-4th-5th-Axis-/261403764123 maybe
[20:14:17] <_methods> it's just nice to be albe to try out new toolpaths at teh house and use techniques i don't normally use because i just stick to what works to get shit out the door
[20:14:50] <_methods> yeah i looked at that too
[20:15:08] <_methods> love the fringer marks on teh cover on teh trunion bed lol
[20:15:16] <_methods> fringer/grinder
[20:15:39] <MrHindsight> http://www.soldgreat.com/tupiane/cnc_4th_5th_1.jpg
[20:15:51] <MrHindsight> belt driven
[20:16:03] <_methods> yeah
[20:16:16] <_methods> heh look at the drive gear
[20:16:23] <_methods> teeny tiny
[20:16:37] <tjb1> Take Gush back, idiot is trolling other channels now
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[20:17:02] <MrHindsight> http://www.ebay.com/itm/CNC-Engraving-50mm-chuck-3-jaw-4th-A-Axis-Rotational-Rotary-Axis-with-Tailstock-/281277163182
[20:17:21] <XXCoder> thats not bad
[20:17:30] <_methods> yeah nice little 4th axis
[20:17:32] <XXCoder> cheap enough to play with
[20:17:38] <MrHindsight> http://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/NjAzWDY1MA==/z/4ZcAAOxyYSdTE0JA/$_12.JPG
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[20:18:01] <MrHindsight> http://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/MTAyOVgxNjAw/z/eY8AAMXQEgpTE0Q1/$_57.JPG
[20:18:09] <XXCoder> I bet you could make cnc lathe with that
[20:18:18] <XXCoder> with some framework for controlling tool
[20:18:22] <MrHindsight> for cheese sticks
[20:18:30] <_methods> hehe
[20:18:35] <MrHindsight> and custom pasta
[20:18:43] <XXCoder> fancy
[20:18:53] <XXCoder> sell $100 rich lathed pasta meals
[20:19:09] <MrHindsight> thats a new market, culinary cnc
[20:19:52] <XXCoder> yep
[20:20:06] <XXCoder> why not? theres already few food printers
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[20:21:07] <MrHindsight> http://www.ebay.com/itm/191068123707 "with very little backlash" so under 1"?
[20:21:19] <MrHindsight> or 45 deg
[20:22:01] <_methods> hehe
[20:36:15] <humble_sea_bass> public service announcement : clean your dryer lint filters
[20:36:31] <MrHindsight> fire in the hole?
[20:37:01] <XXCoder> humble_sea_bass: yeah and once a while you should melt all wax buildup on filters
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[20:37:21] <humble_sea_bass> dumbass contractor made the duct too long, and dumbass homeowner never cleaned filter. damn thing caught fire
[20:37:22] <XXCoder> improves filter effectivity and less lint build up inside machine
[20:37:45] <XXCoder> how to test? see if your filter holds water in it. if it does, too much wax
[20:37:57] <XXCoder> you cant see wax buildup at all
[20:39:19] <XXCoder> heh recently I checked my dryer filter. it could hold water very well. was strange seeing thing full of holes hold water
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[20:42:06] <MrHindsight> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Bison-Gear-Reducer-13-1-90-in-lb-060-185-0013-/110936104128 Backlash 60 Arc-minutes max (that's one degree!)
[20:43:23] <XXCoder> support if can afford https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1569698176/2000-student-projects-to-the-edge-of-space
[20:43:59] <MrHindsight> they should have one for lawyers :) one way
[20:44:06] <XXCoder> no, not my project, I always try to suppory science learning
[20:44:47] <XXCoder> MrHindsight: wonder how many seconds till we reach billion bucks if we offered "free one way ride for lawyers" ;)
[20:46:53] <gonzo_> could anyone tell me if the release 2.5.4 has support for the 7i90 board??
[20:47:07] <micges> gonzo_: no
[20:47:25] <gonzo_> bugger, I'll go and have a little cry!]
[20:48:23] <micges> gonzo_: are you using linuxcnc from git or package?
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[20:59:27] <Lazrdo> Hello
[20:59:34] <micges> hi
[20:59:41] <Lazrdo> How are you?
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[21:00:17] <micges> good
[21:00:56] <Lazrdo> I Installed the Ubuntu with LinuxCNC to a USB then i booted from it. And when i try to run LinuxCNC after the system load. Nothing happen :D
[21:01:06] <Lazrdo> The program doesnt run at all
[21:02:59] <MrHindsight> launch the application from a console
[21:03:13] <MrHindsight> tell us the output
[21:03:37] <Lazrdo> ok i go do that. brb
[21:03:40] <MrHindsight> Lazrdo: does the latency test run?
[21:03:46] <Lazrdo> Yea
[21:03:53] <Lazrdo> the Latency test run very well
[21:04:10] <MrHindsight> try it from a console
[21:04:17] <Lazrdo> ok i will do that wait
[21:04:20] <Lazrdo> brb
[21:04:28] <MrHindsight> take your time
[21:07:35] <Lazrdo> Sorry. what is the name of the program binary?
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[21:11:51] <PCW> micges: tppwm/hm2_eth seems ok to me
[21:12:21] <MrHindsight> usr/bin/linuxcnc
[21:12:32] <micges> that's good, wonder what's wrong with asah setup
[21:13:15] <PCW> well he was using a 64 bit kernel (I suggested 32 so we are on the same page)
[21:13:32] <PCW> not sure if thats related or not
[21:13:55] <micges> surely we must test it
[21:14:07] <Deejay> gn8
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[21:14:51] <PCW> yeah maybe a driver bug with 64bits (Andy found a few already)
[21:15:57] <micges> there is always one more bug
[21:16:16] <PCW> but no obvious tppwm/hm2_eth bug with my setup
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[21:23:55] <Jymmm> Hey guys, abotu how tall is a 20CF tank?
[21:24:04] <Jymmm> compared to a 40CF one?
[21:24:23] <Jymmm> I thnk the gas place acidentally swapped the wrong tank (optical illusion?)
[21:25:38] <MrHindsight> http://cholla.mmto.org/welding/inert2.jpg
[21:26:04] <MrHindsight> Jymmm: ^^
[21:26:32] <Jymmm> 3" height diff, this one is shorter, but still the 7" diameter
[21:26:32] <MrHindsight> http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads_offsite/www.oldphoneman.com-11782-1349189017.1.png
[21:26:59] <Jymmm> I just saw a 33cf too, damnit.
[21:27:22] <Jymmm> I wish they mred capacity in them
[21:27:26] <Jymmm> marked
[21:27:50] <MrHindsight> http://www.cousesteel.com/AndysPlace/Images/cyl_sizes.jpg
[21:28:25] * Jymmm goes remeasures height
[21:29:00] <MrHindsight> check the weight
[21:30:34] <Jymmm> Alright it's 22x7", but grey instead of brown. Suprised at how lighter color can make things look smaller
[21:31:01] <MrHindsight> it's those darn ancestors
[21:31:09] <MrHindsight> always running from things
[21:31:16] <Jymmm> ah, heh
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[21:32:26] <Jymmm> Teh guy was kinda "eh" when I drove up, and jsut grabbed a bottle at random, I figured he was sitracted/not paying attention for a moment
[21:32:38] <Jymmm> distracted*
[21:32:57] <MrHindsight> yeah you have to watch those guys
[21:33:21] <Jymmm> it does say nitrogen on it though =)
[21:33:27] <MrHindsight> I only have the big 330 tanks
[21:34:02] <Jymmm> I wouldn't mind a 55cf tank
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[21:34:13] <MrHindsight> found a place 1 hr drive that will swap any tank I bring in
[21:34:15] <Jymmm> or at leaast another 40cf
[21:34:43] <MrHindsight> so I have a ton of craigslist 300 specials
[21:34:50] <Jymmm> MrHindsight: YEah, I swapped my empty for 40cf full for $17
[21:35:12] <MrHindsight> don't ask where they are from
[21:35:29] <Jymmm> No, most of the smaller tanks are user owned.
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[21:39:24] <Lazrdo> :)
[21:39:28] <Lazrdo> thanks for the help
[21:39:44] <Lazrdo> i am talking now from my first ubuntu alive
[21:39:56] <Lazrdo> and i am welling to use it for running my cnc router
[21:40:08] <Lazrdo> it will take some time to learn the applications here
[21:40:22] <Lazrdo> but i think that is better
[21:40:33] <Lazrdo> and it was the presistance the problem
[21:40:39] <Lazrdo> presistance space
[21:40:43] <Lazrdo> it was 0mb :D
[21:40:48] <Lazrdo> now it is 4 GB
[21:41:19] <Lazrdo> Thanks MrHindsight
[21:41:44] <Jymmm> $38 swap at airgas... wTF?!
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[21:42:26] <Lazrdo> windows user :D
[21:43:06] <MrHindsight> airgas is pricey
[21:43:54] <MrHindsight> Lazrdo: most everyone here came from windows over the past 20 years
[21:44:46] <Lazrdo> yea i know
[21:45:12] <Lazrdo> but my life only have 28 years old :D
[21:47:20] <Lazrdo> can u guide me for my first steps here
[21:48:03] <Lazrdo> may be about applications i should use instade of autocad, solidwork and aspire?
[21:48:29] <MrHindsight> Lazrdo: just ask away, people might answer
[21:48:46] <Lazrdo> ok Thanks for you time Sir
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