#linuxcnc | Logs for 2014-04-21

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[00:00:39] <Tom_itx> good ones are quite a bit more than that
[00:02:03] <_methods> yeah my blake was more than that for sure
[00:02:17] <_methods> don't really remember what i paid
[00:02:24] <_methods> but i know it wasn't cheap
[00:04:20] <_methods> just can't be beat for quick setups
[00:04:33] <_methods> i'd never use it on something that had to hold tenths
[00:08:42] <shaun413> Hi all
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[00:13:04] <_methods> i want to get one of these
[00:13:06] <_methods> http://www.amazon.com/Haimer-CENTRO-co-axial-measurement-tool/dp/B000ZEJQ1K
[00:13:21] <_methods> little spendy though and i don't do enough setup anymore to justify it
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[00:37:06] <shaun413> guys Im buying the lathe
[00:40:31] <archivist> zeeshan, 1849 steam powered pump http://www.middleton-leawood.org.uk/leawood/
[00:41:33] <jdh> what lathe
[00:42:01] <archivist> _methods, I have something similar, mine works well
[00:42:10] <_methods> to the haimer?
[00:42:22] <shaun413> a HF lathe
[00:42:31] <shaun413> seems like a decent deal for what I need
[00:42:53] <Connor> 25% coupon today.
[00:42:57] <shaun413> Yes
[00:43:02] <shaun413> 450 for the 7x12
[00:43:07] <shaun413> cant really beat that
[00:43:32] <archivist> _methods, http://swissinstruments.com/diatest_diacator.html
[00:43:45] <shaun413> good decision Connor ?
[00:43:50] <_methods> ah nice
[00:43:57] <Connor> shaun413: It is what it is.
[00:44:03] <shaun413> that is true
[00:44:08] <Connor> It's a lathe. it'll work.
[00:44:11] <_methods> yeah that looks better than blake
[00:44:13] <_methods> very solid
[00:44:38] <shaun413> it is indeed
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[00:46:50] <archivist> _methods, I also have a now broken http://www.maschinensucher.de/ma2/bilder/Bohrungs-Zenturm-Finder-Centricator-Littmann-BA/581713.jpg
[00:47:09] <archivist> the glass tube got smashed
[00:47:21] <_methods> ouch
[00:47:24] <_methods> yeah tha't nice too
[00:47:25] <_methods> i like that
[00:47:53] <archivist> both work inside or out
[00:48:43] <_methods> makes my coax look like a toy......
[00:48:57] <_methods> i love them for setups
[00:49:04] <_methods> quick and easy
[00:49:27] <archivist> it is too big and has a fixed taper less easy to use
[00:50:08] <archivist> the diacator screws into adapters
[00:50:37] <archivist> and costs too much as well as the one you want
[00:50:51] <_methods> yeah i just can't justify that money anymore
[00:50:59] <_methods> i'm in the office all day
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[01:26:39] <zeeshan> jdh nice
[01:26:57] <zeeshan> archivist: i got a monster deal today
[01:27:16] <zeeshan> relatively monster
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[01:30:04] <jdh> a HF lathe?
[01:30:12] <ChuangTzu> heh
[01:30:13] <zeeshan> haha no
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[01:31:50] <zeeshan> i got a bunch of mitutoyo ceramic gage blocks
[01:31:51] <zeeshan> for $20
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[01:32:02] <zeeshan> they are sexy
[01:32:11] <_methods> score
[01:32:39] <zeeshan> http://www.amazonsupply.com/mitutoyo-ceramic-rectangular-micrometer-inspection/dp/B003U9W1ZA basically this set
[01:33:18] <_methods> man nice don't drop those guys
[01:33:26] <zeeshan> hah they will shatter
[01:33:36] <zeeshan> its really weird wringing ceramic blocks together
[01:33:39] <zeeshan> you'd think they'd fall apart
[01:33:41] <_methods> yeah how's that work
[01:33:42] <zeeshan> but they actually wring together
[01:33:49] <_methods> i've never used ceramic jo blocks
[01:33:55] <zeeshan> just so used to doing it with metal gage blocks
[01:34:02] <_methods> yeah
[01:34:21] <_methods> that shit would be locked in a box locked in a cabinet locked in the tool cage
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[01:34:51] <zeeshan> im gonna use them only fo inspection
[01:35:00] <zeeshan> and use the other mitutoyo gauge blocks for setup of sine bar
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[01:43:30] <_methods> nice
[01:43:36] <_methods> good you know what a damn sine bar is
[01:43:48] <zeeshan> i use it all the time!
[01:43:56] <shaun413> ok then
[01:43:58] <zeeshan> its the only way i know to setup an angle
[01:43:59] <shaun413> nevermind
[01:44:01] <zeeshan> for milling
[01:44:09] <shaun413> was told I cant make money with a lathe
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[01:44:13] <shaun413> so, im not buying it
[01:44:17] <zeeshan> shaun413: can you please FUCK OFF?
[01:44:21] <ChuangTzu> lol
[01:44:21] <shaun413> no
[01:44:24] <zeeshan> you fucking retard
[01:44:29] <zeeshan> god this guy is getting on my nerves
[01:44:32] <shaun413> ?
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[01:46:05] <ChuangTzu> :/
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[02:03:13] * zeeshan ends tantrum
[02:03:13] <zeeshan> :D
[02:03:45] <jdh> petulance is not a virtue.
[02:04:00] <zeeshan> shrug
[02:04:02] <jdh> but, while you were gone, he changed his mind again.
[02:04:15] <ChuangTzu> yeah
[02:04:21] <ChuangTzu> he totally said he was going to buy that lathe now
[02:04:24] <zeeshan> rofl
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[02:04:31] <zeeshan> please kill me
[02:04:33] <shaun413> .
[02:05:29] <jdh> not sure what he meant by needing two more johns though.
[02:05:33] <zeeshan> interesting: according to longislandindicator
[02:05:41] <zeeshan> "Starrett does not make a good quality micrometer although it's highly popular. Repairs sent to Starrett incur a high bench charge so it's probably more economical to find an independent repair shop to deal with these when the time comes."
[02:05:59] <zeeshan> they sound like bitter people ;p
[02:05:59] <shaun413> is it a possible to make money with a mini lathe?
[02:06:49] <ChuangTzu> not for you it isn't shaun413
[02:06:55] <ChuangTzu> :S
[02:06:58] <shaun413> ...
[02:07:04] <shaun413> not me
[02:07:06] <shaun413> in general
[02:07:28] <moorbo> wheres the b+ hammer
[02:09:30] <jdh> http://littlemachineshop.com/1928
[02:09:36] <jdh> I shoudl get one of those for my HF 7x
[02:09:53] <shaun413> you have one/
[02:10:08] <jdh> I have two
[02:10:11] <shaun413> :/
[02:10:18] <shaun413> do you make money with them?
[02:10:31] <jdh> no, I spend money on them.
[02:11:03] <shaun413> ah
[02:12:07] <shaun413> so not worth it to make money?
[02:12:23] <jdh> I make money doing other things.
[02:12:28] <shaun413> ?
[02:13:20] <jdh> have you considered buying one of these lathes and setting up a booth at a local flea market? metal turning while you wait?
[02:13:29] <jdh> freelance lathe work!
[02:13:32] <shaun413> no i havent
[02:13:38] <shaun413> who would pay for that
[02:13:39] <shaun413> loll
[02:17:00] <shaun413> well
[02:17:06] <shaun413> the lathe is on sale today for 450
[02:19:31] <humble_sea_bass> buy it
[02:19:45] <humble_sea_bass> actually, ask if you should buy it
[02:19:47] <shaun413> I dont want to if I dont know I can make money with it
[02:20:04] <humble_sea_bass> stop being retarded, problem solved
[02:21:48] <shaun413> .
[02:22:51] <Jymmm> jdh: Say, how is the hooker business going for you since you started?
[02:23:55] <shaun413> so
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[02:26:48] <humble_sea_bass> shaun413: note that Jymmm is already opped, choose words carefully
[02:27:03] <shaun413> im not doing anything wrong
[02:27:12] <shaun413> im on topic in a public channel
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[02:32:24] <Jymmm> shaun413: If you think buying a lathe/mill is going to solve all you financial woes, it won't. You'll need YEARS of experience getting to a point you can LIVE (not just survive) on machining parts. If all you want to do is make hot heads, have you done the research? Is there something cheaper that what you can make coming out of china already? Could you just buy/import from china and sell locally instead of making them yourself? Have you
[02:32:24] <Jymmm> drawn up a business plan at the very least (which costs you nothing to do)? Plan out every step of what you want to do, not ask questions. Buying XYZ will NEVER EVER solve all the problems, if that was the case all 118 ppl in here would be zilionaries. Note: everything I've said is rthtorical, no need to actually answer anything, other than to yourself.
[02:33:21] <shaun413> I dont plan on this being a living
[02:33:28] <shaun413> I just want to make some cash
[02:33:38] <Jymmm> shaun413: Note: everything I've said is rthtorical, no need to actually answer anything, other than to yourself.
[02:33:52] <shaun413> Im aware
[02:33:54] <Jymmm> shaun413: Note: everything I've said is rthtorical, no need to actually answer anything, other than to yourself.
[02:33:59] <shaun413> ...
[02:37:17] <ChuangTzu> you figure it out.
[02:37:33] <shaun413> understood
[02:37:36] <shaun413> jdh,
[02:37:43] <shaun413> what accesories do you recommend for the 7x12
[02:40:19] <zeeshan> shaun413: look man
[02:40:23] <zeeshan> its not just about buying a lathe
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[02:41:06] <zeeshan> for a lathe, you need a 3+4 jaw chuck, steady rest, some centers and you can get started.
[02:41:26] <Jymmm> cutters
[02:41:28] <zeeshan> after that you need cutters, if you wanna do it very cheaply, you can buy HSS toolbits.
[02:41:38] <Jymmm> dril bits
[02:41:40] <zeeshan> you'll need a grinder.
[02:41:49] <Jymmm> lube
[02:41:50] <zeeshan> drill bits, center drills are almost used daily on a lathe
[02:42:01] <Jymmm> hicama
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[02:42:12] <zeeshan> after you've got t he machine, the cutters, you need inspection equipment.
[02:42:23] <zeeshan> for a lathe, at minimum you need a set of 0-4" micrometers 0.0001 resolution
[02:42:30] <Jymmm> calipers
[02:42:37] <Jymmm> TDI
[02:42:46] <zeeshan> you need a proper dial test indicator to measure runout and stuff. this means buying a mag base for it too
[02:42:52] <zeeshan> yea i totally forgot vernier calipers
[02:42:55] <zeeshan> you use that all the time
[02:43:10] <zeeshan> for cutters you need boring bars also.
[02:43:26] <zeeshan> everything i listed above costs more than the 450 you'll spend on your lathe
[02:43:31] <Jymmm> spending $400 on a lathe = $600+ for the accesoeries
[02:43:48] <zeeshan> i spent 700 on my mills and about 2500 in cutters, and inspection equipment
[02:43:52] <zeeshan> er not mills,
[02:43:53] <Jymmm> it's ALWAYS the add ons that get ya
[02:43:54] <zeeshan> lathe i mean
[02:44:04] <Jymmm> nickle and dime ya to death.
[02:44:11] <zeeshan> yea man, it adds up jymm!
[02:44:33] <Jymmm> Then, add another $1000 to CNC the lathe plus accessoeiries there.
[02:44:45] <zeeshan> i told you a long time ago to watch the mit shop training videos
[02:44:46] <zeeshan> and you didnt
[02:44:54] <zeeshan> cause you wouldn't be asking what accessories you need if you did
[02:45:06] <zeeshan> it covers all the basic things you need.
[02:45:51] <humble_sea_bass> http://irclo.gr/i/144715/1397851920532.jpg
[02:45:59] <humble_sea_bass> chinese SSDs
[02:46:03] <Jymmm> Oh, and you'll find that $400 HF lathe isn't true, then you'll be fighting that for month and not get any productive work done till you fix it, if you can that is.
[02:46:29] <Valen> bastards even took the nuts off the dynabolts so you cant use them
[02:46:35] <Jymmm> Consider it a $400+ lesson
[02:46:50] <zeeshan> humble_sea_bass: that cant be real
[02:46:51] <zeeshan> lol
[02:46:56] <shaun413> :/
[02:46:59] <shaun413> I have calipers
[02:47:03] <humble_sea_bass> http://irclo.gr/i/144711/1397845462160.jpg
[02:47:04] <Valen> shaun413: don't worry too much about Jymmm
[02:47:06] <shaun413> it comes with a center
[02:47:17] <Valen> what you need depends on what you want to do with it
[02:47:17] <shaun413> will it really cost that much?
[02:47:24] <humble_sea_bass> when you see SSDs on sale for super cheap, this is what's happening
[02:47:31] <zeeshan> thats funny
[02:47:49] <Valen> humble_sea_bass: those also don't have a large enough flash drive in them, they just mangle the format
[02:47:55] <humble_sea_bass> the USB chip is hacked to report 64GB for example, but only has 1GB
[02:48:01] <Valen> they are like 512mb drives
[02:48:09] <Valen> nah they do it in software i believe
[02:48:19] <zeeshan> lol
[02:48:20] <humble_sea_bass> I thought it was a HID hack
[02:48:21] <Valen> they just mangle the partition table on the flash
[02:48:41] <Jymmm> humble_sea_bass: Youu got a jem there I see
[02:48:53] <Valen> shaun413: what do you want to do on your lathe?
[02:48:55] <humble_sea_bass> I got it at harbor freight
[02:49:03] <shaun413> well if it costs 700 dollars for tools
[02:49:06] <shaun413> I cant afford it
[02:49:15] <Valen> that wasn't the quesiton i asked
[02:49:19] <Valen> what do you want to do
[02:49:23] <shaun413> Valen, make hotends for 3d printers, or other little items that can make me some money
[02:49:32] <humble_sea_bass> he wants to make cock rings
[02:49:49] <Valen> humble_sea_bass: lathe would be bad for doing that, a pipe bender would be better ;-P
[02:50:08] <Valen> ok how much of that needs ultimate accuracy?
[02:50:19] <shaun413> Not too much
[02:50:19] <Valen> how much of it can you match fit?
[02:50:36] <shaun413> all of it
[02:50:54] <Valen> right so you don't care too much about accuracy
[02:50:56] <Valen> some sure
[02:50:57] <Valen> but not heaps
[02:51:15] <shaun413> yes
[02:51:20] <shaun413> to 1 thou is fine
[02:51:27] <Valen> what you will probably want is a decent surface finish, my friends with baby lathes recommend diamond tool holders
[02:51:39] <Valen> keep in mind that accuracy and precision are very different things
[02:51:40] <shaun413> yes
[02:51:46] <shaun413> I know
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[02:51:53] <shaun413> so the sale ends in 70 mins
[02:51:54] <shaun413> btw
[02:52:23] <Valen> I wouldn't be buying this thinking you are going to make money off it, its too hard to compete with somebody with a jobbing CnC and pay your self a wage
[02:52:31] <Valen> if its a hobby and you like doing it then sure
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[02:52:40] <Valen> if its a tool that you want then that is also great
[02:52:44] <Valen> lathes are very usefull
[02:52:46] <shaun413> well
[02:52:52] <shaun413> I do want to get it to make stuff
[02:52:53] <shaun413> But
[02:53:04] <shaun413> If i can at least make the money I spent on it back
[02:53:07] <shaun413> thats perfect
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[02:53:18] <Valen> well do some sums on it then
[02:53:26] <shaun413> sums?
[02:53:28] <Valen> how much can you realisticly sell your stuff for
[02:53:33] <shaun413> 60 dollars
[02:53:34] <Valen> how long will it take to make said stuff
[02:53:38] <shaun413> for 10 bucks in materials
[02:53:42] <Valen> how much is the material costs
[02:53:43] <shaun413> takes maybe 3-4hrs
[02:54:01] <ChuangTzu> as much as working at mcdonalds
[02:54:02] <Valen> so you are making $12 an hour on it
[02:54:07] <ChuangTzu> but maybe more enjoyable
[02:54:14] <Valen> excluding any incidental costs
[02:54:21] <Valen> IE tool wear etc
[02:54:33] <ChuangTzu> msitakes
[02:54:34] <shaun413> thats fine
[02:54:34] <ChuangTzu> *mistakes
[02:54:45] <shaun413> unless you can think of something better to make
[02:55:06] <ChuangTzu> sigh
[02:55:45] <zeeshan> for 12$ an hour
[02:55:47] <zeeshan> id work at mcdonalds
[02:55:49] <zeeshan> :D
[02:55:55] <zeeshan> and eat fries all day
[02:55:56] <shaun413> ew
[02:56:10] <humble_sea_bass> I'm pretty sure shaun413 is Brick Tamland
[02:56:15] <Valen> again making stuff to sell competing against a jobbing CnC shop is not going to really be a winner
[02:56:17] <shaun413> ?
[02:56:29] <shaun413> so its NOT worth it?
[02:56:31] <Valen> jobbing CnC shop is going to pound them out in about 10 minutes a part
[02:56:40] <Valen> don't do it for money.
[02:56:44] <shaun413> I cant afford this if i cant make any money
[02:56:50] <shaun413> thats the thing
[02:56:51] <Valen> if you are going to be doing something you want to do then sure
[02:56:51] <zeeshan> shaun413:
[02:56:55] <zeeshan> i make money off the lathe all the time
[02:57:00] <zeeshan> people always need little htings done
[02:57:03] <zeeshan> and it makes money
[02:57:05] <shaun413> OK
[02:57:08] <shaun413> such as?
[02:57:16] <shaun413> and where do you find the jobs?
[02:57:18] <zeeshan> for example, ive made fittings
[02:57:21] <zeeshan> im on car forums
[02:57:33] <zeeshan> and i go to race events and thats wher ei make a majority of my side business
[02:57:41] <zeeshan> can i make a living off it? maybe, but its too much work.
[02:57:49] <zeeshan> and personally i'd go nuts if i had to machine everyday.
[02:57:54] <shaun413> I dont want to make a living
[02:57:56] <Valen> make stuff for one offs
[02:57:56] <humble_sea_bass> www.lathe-jobs.com is the best place to find lathe jobs
[02:58:01] <shaun413> a few hundred a month would be nice
[02:58:13] <zeeshan> humble_sea_bass: i actually clicked that, jerk !
[02:58:25] <Valen> so did i
[02:59:01] <humble_sea_bass> you're probably not on the whitelist to access this site that lets you make 120 dollars per hour with this one weird trick
[02:59:06] <humble_sea_bass> obama hates them
[02:59:11] <Valen> we use the lathe to make money, but its by selling 2x custom made devices to a scientist
[02:59:19] <Valen> humble_sea_bass: does it make you thinner too?
[02:59:31] <shaun413> yes, but where do you find these jobs?
[02:59:31] <humble_sea_bass> yeah, one weird trick
[02:59:41] <Valen> its not the lathe that makes the money, thats for jobbing CnC, its doing all the stuff around the lathe
[02:59:50] <Valen> IE use the lathe as you would a hammer
[02:59:57] <Valen> its not banging in nails that makes you money
[03:00:08] <Valen> its the custom made chest of drawers
[03:00:24] <Valen> if you make a *better* hot end for 3d printers and sell that for $500 a pop
[03:00:50] <shaun413> 500! lol
[03:01:04] <Valen> I hang around maker space mailing lists, lots of people there with no clue but very active so they show up on the googles
[03:01:21] <humble_sea_bass> Valen, that's shawn
[03:01:27] <humble_sea_bass> except he found us here
[03:02:27] <Valen> also keep in mind that you are going to have it for a decade ;->
[03:02:52] <Valen> at least
[03:03:07] <Valen> got a link to the thing you are looking at?
[03:04:03] <humble_sea_bass> 20 minutes after shaun413 gets his lathe running http://bestmoviesevernews.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/a-christmas-story-tongue-stuck-scene.jpg
[03:04:10] <shaun413> :/
[03:04:16] <Valen> link?
[03:07:56] <Valen> ok where the hell is my tape measure
[03:08:01] <Valen> did one of you blokes nick it?
[03:08:28] * zeeshan hands one
[03:08:28] <humble_sea_bass> you know tape measures are not precision tools
[03:08:29] <zeeshan> sorry!
[03:08:34] <zeeshan> humble_sea_bass: yes they are
[03:08:40] <zeeshan> my eyes can see within 15 thou !
[03:09:02] <zeeshan> don't diss the tape measure!
[03:09:17] <humble_sea_bass> the little end hook has 1/8 of play
[03:09:26] <Valen> humble_sea_bass: its supposed to
[03:09:30] <shaun413> :/
[03:09:38] <Valen> its to take out the thickness of the hook
[03:09:51] <zeeshan> someone sell me some hook scales
[03:10:01] <Valen> for my purposes +-10mm will be sufficent
[03:10:19] <zeeshan> http://www.leevalley.com/en/Wood/page.aspx?p=67477&cat=1,43513
[03:10:20] <zeeshan> those
[03:10:22] <zeeshan> i only have B
[03:10:23] <zeeshan> :{
[03:10:36] <shaun413> so,
[03:10:44] <shaun413> I know you guys make money
[03:10:47] <humble_sea_bass> :/ wow hi :/
[03:10:54] <shaun413> but can I, with a hf lathe...
[03:11:02] <Valen> heh i make money servicing computers
[03:11:16] <Valen> and doing electronics
[03:11:21] <Valen> writing software
[03:11:26] <humble_sea_bass> shaun, signs point to no.
[03:11:33] <Valen> havent fired up the lathe for weeks
[03:11:54] <shaun413> humble_sea_bass, why?
[03:11:59] <humble_sea_bass> your temperament and technical abilities point to full blown fucktard
[03:12:07] <zeeshan> shaun413: machinists are a dying breed :{
[03:12:13] <Valen> that said last time we used the lathe it was for a job that got us ~$3k
[03:12:27] <zeeshan> valen let me guess
[03:12:31] <zeeshan> you weren't using a tiny little dinky lathe
[03:12:32] <zeeshan> :)
[03:12:37] <Valen> actually it was
[03:12:41] <zeeshan> really?
[03:12:42] <zeeshan> haha
[03:12:44] <zeeshan> damn it :[
[03:12:54] <Valen> yeah, the lathe is just a tool
[03:13:06] <Valen> we don't sell "lathe" stuff, we sell value added services
[03:13:18] <humble_sea_bass> when you told me you were a student at Rutgers I knew you sucked at life because you had not exploited the free to use machine shop there with the best fucking machines ever to make your parts, save some money to buy your own lathe
[03:13:21] <Valen> it was a one off thing for a university that had a spinning bit in it
[03:13:37] <Valen> dude if you have access to a uni shop use the hell out of that
[03:13:50] <shaun413> I do
[03:13:52] <Valen> perhaps invest in your own tools after you stop breaking the uni ones
[03:13:57] <zeeshan> whats rutgers?
[03:14:06] <Valen> become friends with the people who run the shop
[03:14:10] <humble_sea_bass> Valen: his aspergers makes him afraid to use it
[03:14:25] <humble_sea_bass> Rutgers is the college he claims to attend
[03:14:25] <Valen> he should get on just fine with all the people there then lol
[03:14:35] <humble_sea_bass> but I can't imagine they'd have him
[03:14:51] <Valen> shaun413: 25% off on a lathe from H&F isn't that big a deal
[03:15:04] <shaun413> oh?
[03:15:05] <Valen> does anybody have a link to the thing he was looking at?
[03:15:24] <shaun413> http://www.harborfreight.com/7-inch-x-12-inch-precision-mini-lathe-93799.html
[03:15:30] <Valen> get a 2nd hand one, hell if you offer to take it away from an estate sale or something you will probably get it for free
[03:15:44] <zeeshan> rutgers = university or college/
[03:16:02] <shaun413> uni
[03:16:07] <Valen> wow that really is a tiny lathe
[03:16:11] <humble_sea_bass> http://njaes.rutgers.edu/machine-shop/
[03:16:37] <shaun413> thats the sebs one
[03:16:42] <shaun413> not the SOE one
[03:16:42] <humble_sea_bass> http://sebsnjaesnews.rutgers.edu/2013/10/rutgers-njaes-machine-shop-is-back-in-business/
[03:16:47] <zeeshan> shaun413: what are you taking there
[03:16:53] <shaun413> aero engineering
[03:16:57] <Valen> now thats a lathe
[03:16:57] <zeeshan> first year?
[03:17:01] <shaun413> 2nd
[03:17:03] <Valen> with free greybeard
[03:17:05] <zeeshan> why do you sound so dumb
[03:17:08] <shaun413> idk
[03:17:09] <zeeshan> ?
[03:17:21] <zeeshan> don't make us engineers look like shit plz
[03:17:23] <shaun413> internet is like a smart shield for me
[03:17:25] <shaun413> I guess.
[03:17:26] <humble_sea_bass> zeeshan: i ask myself the same question, i can't believe it
[03:17:40] <Valen> he doesn't sound dumb, he sounds like a kid
[03:17:42] <zeeshan> shaun413: what courses are you taking right now
[03:17:45] <Valen> you were a kid at some point
[03:17:48] <zeeshan> im 29
[03:17:49] <Valen> play nice
[03:17:50] <humble_sea_bass> a 9 year old
[03:17:50] <zeeshan> im still a kid
[03:17:52] <zeeshan> :-)
[03:18:08] <shaun413> zeeshan, class is over in 2 wks
[03:18:23] <zeeshan> i didn't ask you when classes are finishing :{
[03:18:25] <humble_sea_bass> what classes are you flunking this semester
[03:18:27] <zeeshan> i asked you what courses are you taking
[03:18:44] <shaun413> calc, physics, elements of EE, cad, dynamics
[03:18:56] <humble_sea_bass> roofles
[03:19:03] <zeeshan> whats elements of EE
[03:19:13] <zeeshan> which calc
[03:19:15] <shaun413> exactly what it sounds like
[03:19:15] <humble_sea_bass> circuits
[03:19:16] <shaun413> 3
[03:19:19] <zeeshan> integrals of derivatives
[03:19:22] <zeeshan> oh
[03:19:23] <zeeshan> ODEs ?
[03:19:26] <Valen> yeah if you have access to a machine shop for free, make use of it
[03:19:31] <shaun413> multivar
[03:19:38] <zeeshan> dun dun dun
[03:19:39] <zeeshan> tell me something
[03:19:41] <Valen> don't buy that lathe now
[03:19:46] <zeeshan> what does a substational derivative mean
[03:19:55] <shaun413> didnt learn that
[03:20:07] <zeeshan> youre taking multivariable calc and didnt do substantial derviative?
[03:20:12] <shaun413> i guess
[03:20:17] <shaun413> we didnt cover that
[03:20:20] <zeeshan> what is a derivative in your words
[03:20:26] <humble_sea_bass> i mostly smoked weed throug that class to be fair
[03:20:28] <zeeshan> you're in calc 3 you can answer that
[03:20:34] <shaun413> Unless it goes by a different name
[03:20:40] <Valen> zeeshan: did you go to the same university?
[03:20:50] <zeeshan> Valen: no im at mcmaster
[03:20:51] <Valen> if not then perhaps they have a different sylibus
[03:20:56] <zeeshan> www.mcmaster.ca
[03:21:04] <shaun413> humble_sea_bass, you went to ru?
[03:21:14] <zeeshan> shaun413: cmon answer my question
[03:21:17] <shaun413> that EEE class sucks...
[03:21:18] <zeeshan> so i can build some respect for u
[03:21:22] <shaun413> what zeeshan ?
[03:21:22] <Valen> so stop trying to big note your self
[03:21:25] <humble_sea_bass> i was across the river
[03:21:32] <zeeshan> what is a derivative in your words
[03:21:37] <shaun413> Oh
[03:21:43] <Valen> he wants you to answer the question you just said wasn't covered so he can feel big about himself
[03:21:44] <zeeshan> not a wiki definition
[03:21:44] <shaun413> a function of the slope...
[03:21:53] <zeeshan> valen no i changed the question
[03:22:10] <humble_sea_bass> dude he did this stuff, stokes, euler greenes and all that shit
[03:22:14] <Valen> to what end?
[03:22:25] <shaun413> we are doing greenes next lecture
[03:22:27] <shaun413> actually
[03:22:30] <Valen> guy is asking about lathes
[03:22:32] <zeeshan> function of the slope is pretty good definition
[03:22:34] <zeeshan> respect
[03:22:35] <humble_sea_bass> greens condom theorem
[03:22:40] <shaun413> ha
[03:22:48] <zeeshan> valen i'm just checking
[03:23:09] <humble_sea_bass> anyways. use your fucking school shop
[03:23:15] <shaun413> Yeah.
[03:23:16] <zeeshan> he cant use his schools shop to make money
[03:23:19] <shaun413> Im thinking thats better
[03:23:19] <Valen> shaun413: if lathing is something you would like to do I suggest using the shop you have access to
[03:23:21] <zeeshan> thats pretty illegal :P
[03:23:31] <Valen> zeeshan: if he gets caught ;-P
[03:23:32] <shaun413> zeeshan, I cant make money until i know how to use stuff..
[03:23:33] <zeeshan> haha
[03:23:38] <humble_sea_bass> i used to do welding and carpentry jobs out of the engineering shops at night
[03:23:44] <zeeshan> your machine shop is an awesome resource
[03:23:50] <Valen> making 10 of something when nobody else is there is not going to cause an issue
[03:23:55] <zeeshan> i learned a lot from there this year
[03:23:57] <shaun413> that pic isnt even the engineering shop
[03:24:01] <shaun413> you should see that one
[03:24:11] <zeeshan> we have a shop only for mech engineers
[03:24:13] <Valen> and these days nobody else is going to use it
[03:24:16] <zeeshan> 3rd , 4th and grad students
[03:24:24] <Valen> zeeshan: and do any of them have a clue?
[03:24:25] <zeeshan> they know pretty easily if you're doing school related stuff
[03:24:30] <humble_sea_bass> shawun. you know you are allowed to go to the physics and the agrilculture machine shops
[03:24:31] <shaun413> theres a physics shop, bio shiop, and engineering one
[03:24:32] <shaun413> :p
[03:24:40] <humble_sea_bass> your ID doesn't say "engineering"
[03:24:41] <zeeshan> valen the students?
[03:24:41] <shaun413> sorry, not bio
[03:24:43] <shaun413> agri
[03:24:52] <Valen> moste MEs wouldn't know how to run a bead of weld if you hit them with molten metal
[03:24:56] <Valen> yeah
[03:24:58] <shaun413> actually it does humble_sea_bass ....
[03:25:03] <zeeshan> 1 out of 25 i'd say has an idea of how to use the machine
[03:25:04] <Valen> 4th year ME hasn't held a welder
[03:25:07] <zeeshan> thats based on my class size of 95.
[03:25:11] <shaun413> but the SOE shop is on busch
[03:25:12] <Valen> it should be a requirement
[03:25:14] <zeeshan> so basically i'd say a handfull of people know
[03:25:19] <shaun413> its where i always am anyway...
[03:25:21] <Valen> not to be awesome at it
[03:25:29] <Valen> but to at least be able to do something
[03:25:39] <zeeshan> Valen: that is my issue which gets my heated up
[03:25:47] <shaun413> idk why machine shop class isnt required for meche
[03:25:47] <zeeshan> you have 'mechanical engineers' who don't understand the basic math
[03:25:57] <shaun413> these guys graduate not knowing how things are made
[03:26:00] <zeeshan> they know the word for word definitions
[03:26:03] <zeeshan> but they don't understand the implications
[03:26:10] <shaun413> and then are hired to design stuff to be made on the machines...
[03:26:12] <zeeshan> and on top of that, they don't understand the tools being used to make things
[03:26:21] <shaun413> ^^^^^^
[03:26:22] <zeeshan> and yet they design stuff
[03:26:23] <zeeshan> it's scary.
[03:26:24] <humble_sea_bass> zeeshan: those are terribads
[03:26:33] <shaun413> best engineers are those who know the machines
[03:26:35] <zeeshan> and then i have to hear from people on the floor
[03:26:42] <zeeshan> 'you engineers don't know shit'
[03:26:46] <zeeshan> and it makes me quite upset
[03:27:03] <Valen> shaun413: so go make use of the machine shop
[03:27:09] <Valen> talk to the guy running it
[03:27:11] <shaun413> I have to get trained
[03:27:16] <Valen> so do that
[03:27:20] <shaun413> I cant find a site for the SOE one...
[03:27:27] <Valen> as i recall it takes like 2 hours?
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[03:27:34] <shaun413> 3
[03:27:35] <zeeshan> training is really easy
[03:27:37] <humble_sea_bass> you have to attenuate your autism somehow
[03:27:40] <zeeshan> its basically how not to kill yoruself
[03:27:41] <shaun413> but have to wait for a date
[03:27:47] <shaun413> humble_sea_bass, I dont have ASD
[03:27:49] <shaun413> please stop
[03:27:51] <Valen> so do that then
[03:27:52] <zeeshan> lol
[03:27:59] <zeeshan> humble_sea_bass: high five
[03:28:01] <zeeshan> trolled the troll
[03:28:18] <humble_sea_bass> btw. it is SAE not SOE
[03:28:29] <shaun413> wtf is SAE?
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[03:28:35] <shaun413> school of engineering
[03:28:36] <shaun413> SOE
[03:28:39] <zeeshan> suckers and engineers
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[03:28:48] <humble_sea_bass> Sony Online Entertainment
[03:28:59] <humble_sea_bass> vs Society of Automotive ENgineers
[03:29:13] <zeeshan> shaun413: i hope you know i only pick on you because you're ignorant
[03:29:14] <shaun413> im not talking about rfr
[03:29:20] <shaun413> but ill join that to
[03:29:21] <shaun413> too
[03:29:33] <Valen> zeeshan: you knew everything at all times?
[03:29:39] <shaun413> ^
[03:29:41] <zeeshan> valen i never claimed i did
[03:29:50] <humble_sea_bass> they will take you to michigan and ditch you by the side of the road
[03:29:54] <Valen> so why pick on people who know less than you did?
[03:29:54] <zeeshan> but i never in my life have asked a question where i didn't at least do some background research
[03:30:15] <zeeshan> this guy keeps bringng up the same question
[03:30:18] <zeeshan> for the last 4 weeks
[03:30:27] <zeeshan> which is something i wouldn't do
[03:30:34] <zeeshan> especially when a shit load of people have answered it
[03:30:35] * Valen is sure zeeshan researched reiliegh scattering before asking his mother why the sky is blue ;-P
[03:30:41] <humble_sea_bass> I know to not waste peoples time by asking basic questions without purpose or research
[03:30:59] <humble_sea_bass> Valen: this cat has been here 3 weeks solid tormenting us
[03:30:59] <Valen> eh fair enough
[03:31:08] <Valen> I guess I have been busy latley
[03:31:09] <zeeshan> i have a lot to learn
[03:31:18] <zeeshan> and i wouldn't be in here if i knew it all :D
[03:31:21] <shaun413> zeeshan, I thought you had respect
[03:31:36] <humble_sea_bass> nobody likes you shaun413
[03:31:48] <shaun413> :)
[03:31:59] <humble_sea_bass> yep. autism smile
[03:32:24] <zeeshan> shaun413: try to get some used tools from your school
[03:32:32] <zeeshan> my school is an amazing resource for used metal
[03:32:38] <zeeshan> that they literally throw away.
[03:32:39] <shaun413> iLL TRY
[03:32:48] <shaun413> I cant even find the website...
[03:32:51] <zeeshan> i found a 1/2" plate with a couple of holes in it (12x12")
[03:32:51] <zeeshan> 6061
[03:32:54] <zeeshan> they let me take it
[03:32:56] * Valen used to go for walks through the local tafe and pick stuff out of their bins ;->
[03:33:01] <zeeshan> tafe
[03:33:04] <zeeshan> wassat
[03:33:04] <shaun413> yes, gen all purpose alum
[03:33:07] <shaun413> 2024 is harder
[03:33:48] <humble_sea_bass> zeeshan: my dinner table and booth benches were made from a 16x5 foot lab table made out of 2" butches block
[03:34:01] <humble_sea_bass> "oh can i have that table top?"
[03:34:34] <zeeshan> man i love that type of table top
[03:34:46] <zeeshan> just to be on the same page
[03:34:48] <zeeshan> youre talking about this:
[03:34:58] <zeeshan> http://www.stockportkitchensandbedrooms.co.uk/news/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/butchers-block2.bmp
[03:35:02] <zeeshan> my god its a bmp file
[03:35:05] <zeeshan> i havent seen that in a while
[03:35:11] <humble_sea_bass> yup
[03:35:16] <zeeshan> yea thats a nice top
[03:35:30] <humble_sea_bass> old as shit, it was actually shellaced
[03:35:34] <zeeshan> i want something liket hat in the basement 'clean shop'
[03:36:10] <zeeshan> is it called a butchers block commonly?
[03:36:12] <zeeshan> any other names?
[03:36:15] <zeeshan> first time im hearing it :p
[03:36:29] <shaun413> Ok
[03:36:35] <shaun413> so ill use the machine shop
[03:36:41] <shaun413> will have to wait until next year
[03:36:47] <zeeshan> shaun413: if you wanna feel better
[03:36:51] <shaun413> ?
[03:36:53] <zeeshan> that HF stuff goes on sale fairly frequently.
[03:36:59] <zeeshan> so it's not like you missed the opportunity of your life time
[03:37:01] <shaun413> yes
[03:37:07] <humble_sea_bass> around xmas it goes down to 50%
[03:37:09] <shaun413> 4th of july will have another coupn
[03:37:14] <shaun413> then another on labor day
[03:37:25] <Valen> i wouldn't get that anyway
[03:37:41] <Valen> you have time so cruise ebay or craigslist or whatever
[03:37:44] <shaun413> maybe I should ask if anyone has jobs...
[03:37:51] <shaun413> at the shop
[03:38:03] <zeeshan> show that youre poor
[03:38:05] <Valen> you will probably get something for the price of you carting it off when some old guy with lots of good stuff kicks it
[03:38:07] <zeeshan> and you will get jobs
[03:38:12] <zeeshan> im technically poor
[03:38:12] <zeeshan> haha
[03:38:16] <zeeshan> i got so many scholarships
[03:38:19] <shaun413> can I just email the guy and ask?
[03:38:22] <Valen> offer to sweep up in return for time or training
[03:38:29] <Valen> I wouldnt
[03:38:45] <Valen> generally these kind of things are best done face to face
[03:38:46] <shaun413> hm
[03:38:54] <humble_sea_bass> face to face is key
[03:38:59] <zeeshan> like
[03:39:00] <zeeshan> IN H
[03:39:04] <zeeshan> you know vin diesel?
[03:39:06] <zeeshan> fast and the furious?
[03:39:11] <zeeshan> first one.
[03:39:30] <humble_sea_bass> your shop guy is like 80 years old, he doesnt email for shit
[03:39:33] <zeeshan> remember the fight scene? "paul walker, man he was getting in my face" , "vin diesel: NOW IM IN YOUR FACE"
[03:40:41] <shaun413> humble_sea_bass, how do you know?
[03:40:52] <Valen> its almost certain lol
[03:40:54] <shaun413> and what shop are you talking about
[03:41:27] <Valen> guy will be 50+, in either coveralls or a flanell shirt, being a uni he will probably have a grey beard
[03:41:27] <humble_sea_bass> shaun413: i used to bang this broad at your school and I hung out with the SAE ppl
[03:41:35] <shaun413> oh
[03:41:38] <shaun413> i see
[03:41:43] <shaun413> I should try that
[03:41:52] <shaun413> where did the sae people use machines?
[03:42:40] <humble_sea_bass> whereever they could get time to use them
[03:42:48] <humble_sea_bass> the mfg lab, the machine shop
[03:43:28] <shaun413> the engineering one?
[03:43:31] <shaun413> in the D wing?
[03:43:32] <humble_sea_bass> those old ass bridgeports are a dream to learn on, good enough for the navy during WWII, good nuff for you
[03:45:10] <shaun413> humble_sea_bass, ?
[03:45:48] <humble_sea_bass> most of the old bridgeports were donated by the navy after WWII
[03:46:06] <humble_sea_bass> City College is also full of them across the rive
[03:51:46] <shaun413> ok
[03:51:50] <shaun413> thats what ill do then
[03:51:56] <shaun413> bes decision I think...
[03:52:17] <shaun413> who knows, maybe there will be a nice girl in the machine shop...
[03:53:49] <Valen> HAHAHAHAHAHAH!
[03:54:00] <Valen> you guys didn't say this guy was also funny!
[03:54:07] <Valen> ;-P
[03:54:56] <shaun413> funny?
[03:54:59] <shaun413> :p
[03:55:04] <Valen> not to hate on any female machinists or ME's out there, but its not something I would be expecting to meet in a machine shop
[03:55:14] <shaun413> No girls in machine shop?
[03:55:26] <shaun413> well maybe if i get out of the basement, and go to the shop
[03:55:30] <shaun413> ill meet someone
[03:55:51] <shaun413> I know tons of female ME btw..
[03:55:54] <shaun413> not that rare
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[04:12:53] <zeeshan> man
[04:12:59] <zeeshan> im 3/4 way organized
[04:13:06] <zeeshan> trying to inventory stuff what a pain in the butt
[04:13:17] <zeeshan> i need to sell some stuff!
[04:13:59] <shaun413> Hi
[04:14:13] <zeeshan> hi
[04:17:47] <shaun413> So I've made a good decision
[04:18:16] <zeeshan> whats your decision
[04:18:39] <shaun413> To use the schools stuff
[04:18:42] <shaun413> Next year
[04:19:07] <zeeshan> i think thats a wise decision
[04:19:13] <shaun413> Good
[04:19:13] <zeeshan> you'll learn a lot and can make a better decision
[04:19:17] <zeeshan> apply for some scholarships too
[04:19:18] <zeeshan> do well.
[04:19:21] <zeeshan> and make $ like i did
[04:19:22] <zeeshan> haha
[04:19:30] <zeeshan> i got 2 scholarships valued at 15 k each
[04:19:31] <shaun413> Make $?
[04:19:38] <zeeshan> yea, getting scholarships is like making money
[04:19:49] <zeeshan> you write a detailed application =D
[04:19:51] <shaun413> I'm not smart enough for them
[04:20:02] <zeeshan> you need like an A- avg
[04:20:03] <zeeshan> you can do it!
[04:20:14] <zeeshan> focus focus focus
[04:20:19] <shaun413> I have like a 3.2
[04:20:26] <shaun413> :/
[04:20:33] <zeeshan> whats that in grade scale
[04:20:36] <shaun413> Idk
[04:20:39] <shaun413> B
[04:21:01] <shaun413> Between b and b+
[04:21:03] <zeeshan> http://studentsuccess.mcmaster.ca/students/tools/gpa-conversion-chart.html
[04:21:13] <zeeshan> betwen a b and b+
[04:21:19] <zeeshan> thats not bad
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[04:21:39] <zeeshan> i graduated with 3.8 in undergrad
[04:21:50] <shaun413> Cool
[04:21:57] <shaun413> Nearly impossible
[04:21:58] <zeeshan> i'm dumb, but i blame the passion for engineering for the good grades
[04:22:00] <shaun413> What major?
[04:22:02] <zeeshan> mech eng
[04:22:07] <shaun413> ...
[04:22:09] <shaun413> See
[04:22:12] <shaun413> I'm dumb
[04:22:23] <zeeshan> honestly when they were teaching calculus
[04:22:28] <zeeshan> i was trying to apply it practically
[04:22:36] <XXCoder> heh 3.8 on IT, 3.6 on CS bullshit degree
[04:22:37] <zeeshan> it made it much more enjoyable, infact i love math
[04:22:40] <shaun413> I hate calc
[04:22:46] <zeeshan> you can't hate it man.
[04:22:49] <zeeshan> you're in aero.
[04:22:50] <shaun413> Maybe its the way its taught
[04:22:55] <shaun413> I hate calc
[04:23:00] <zeeshan> you're going to use calculus in fluid mechanics, heat transfer
[04:23:03] <shaun413> I don't hate applied calc
[04:23:12] <shaun413> Just calc for the sake of calc
[04:23:24] <shaun413> Using it for things is awesome
[04:23:39] <XXCoder> Calc. I like it. I hate linear algbera, I cant visualize that worth shit
[04:23:54] <shaun413> But just doing a triple intergral with change of variables for the sake of it
[04:23:57] <shaun413> Is stupid
[04:24:03] <shaun413> Wtf will I use it for...
[04:24:07] <shaun413> I want to do that
[04:24:07] <zeeshan> well triple integrals give you volume
[04:24:10] <shaun413> Yes
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[04:24:12] <zeeshan> thats one application of em
[04:24:16] <zeeshan> a very common one
[04:24:18] <shaun413> Well...
[04:24:23] <shaun413> I can use maple
[04:24:32] <shaun413> Why do I need to do this then?
[04:24:37] <zeeshan> if you're saying whats the point of solving it analytically
[04:24:42] <shaun413> No
[04:25:00] <XXCoder> well if you need to know volume of some sweep..
[04:25:02] <zeeshan> if you understand it from fundamentals
[04:25:02] <shaun413> Most stuff is done by PC now anyway
[04:25:12] <zeeshan> you can debug stuff when your PC is giving you wonky numbers.
[04:25:12] <shaun413> But you need to undersntad what its doing
[04:25:20] <shaun413> Yes
[04:25:27] <zeeshan> most stuff can't be solved analytically anyway
[04:25:32] <zeeshan> you'll have to use numerical techniques
[04:25:36] <XXCoder> zee exactly. if you understand addition, its no matter how complex you can do it
[04:25:44] <zeeshan> XXCoder: yea man
[04:25:57] <zeeshan> trust me, i came from technical college to university
[04:26:03] <zeeshan> only because i wanted a deeper understanding
[04:26:08] <zeeshan> i wouldnt have wasted 4 years of my life for nothing
[04:26:09] <XXCoder> nice
[04:26:27] <XXCoder> I wish I could say same, I feel i wasted my CS bullshit degree
[04:26:29] <zeeshan> fak im gonna be 31 by the time i'm done school :{
[04:26:37] <shaun413> True
[04:26:44] <XXCoder> heh zee I STARTED at 27. I finished at 34
[04:26:50] <shaun413> I just want to do problems with real life applications
[04:26:59] <shaun413> And have better professors
[04:27:02] <zeeshan> shaun413: i think you'll experience that in your aero classes.
[04:27:06] <zeeshan> but yea i agrew ith you
[04:27:07] <shaun413> Most of them suck
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[04:27:10] <XXCoder> had few PHD profs as teacher 5 or 10 years younger than ,e
[04:27:13] <zeeshan> if a shit prof is teaching you calculus, you;ll hate it.
[04:27:20] <zeeshan> XXCoder: haha you shoulda hit on the chick phd profs
[04:27:21] <zeeshan> :D
[04:27:33] <shaun413> Well all my calc prof except calc 1 have been shit
[04:27:39] <shaun413> Then give hard exams
[04:27:51] <zeeshan> i don't mean to sound like i know it all
[04:27:58] <zeeshan> but honestly, if you understand it deeply enough
[04:28:01] <XXCoder> zee yeah I hated calculus III, teacher was shitty book teacher - follows book like bible, means cant understand worth crap out of it so cant teach us worth crap
[04:28:07] <zeeshan> its relatively easy to get an a- in math
[04:28:12] <zeeshan> unless its linear algebra.
[04:28:15] <zeeshan> and vector spaces
[04:28:15] <zeeshan> haha
[04:28:22] <shaun413> I don't put enough effort in
[04:28:24] <zeeshan> i got raped so hard it still makes me cry.
[04:28:28] <XXCoder> yeah
[04:28:32] <shaun413> I hate calc
[04:28:37] <XXCoder> there should be linear algbera conseling
[04:28:44] <shaun413> Makes me sick to put effort into it
[04:28:48] <zeeshan> dude, at our school one section's prof taught calc 3 on power point.
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[04:28:57] <XXCoder> zeeshan: shit
[04:28:58] <zeeshan> so you can only imagine how rough that class was for those guys
[04:28:58] <zeeshan> haha
[04:29:13] <shaun413> Pretty much what my guy does
[04:29:19] <shaun413> And now he's like dying
[04:29:24] <zeeshan> you can't teach that shit on power point man
[04:29:24] <shaun413> So the ta is teaching
[04:29:27] <shaun413> ...
[04:29:28] <zeeshan> you gotta solve problems step by step.
[04:29:30] <zeeshan> theory then solve problem
[04:29:31] <XXCoder> calc I and II had fun teachers that really showed real world stuff as well as clearly show how it works
[04:29:33] <zeeshan> thats the only way to learn
[04:29:33] <shaun413> Zeeshan
[04:29:43] <zeeshan> XXCoder: nice
[04:29:47] <shaun413> 90% of my classes are powerpoint
[04:29:53] <zeeshan> my god
[04:29:55] <zeeshan> i feel bad for you
[04:29:56] <XXCoder> indeed. loved those teachers
[04:30:01] <shaun413> I hate it
[04:30:07] <shaun413> Lazy professors
[04:30:07] <XXCoder> powerpoint is fine for history and such
[04:30:24] <XXCoder> math? no. CS? only boring parts. math? HELL NO
[04:30:32] <shaun413> Try teaching a statics course on ppt
[04:30:39] <XXCoder> yes I covered math twice. make sure ya understand
[04:30:53] <shaun413> Needless to say I don't go ton that lecture anymore...
[04:31:06] <shaun413> Taught myself and got an 85 on both exams.
[04:31:13] <shaun413> Avg was a 50. Wonder why???
[04:31:19] <XXCoder> lol loved my stat teacher. he was old man that was always neatly clothed. said his wife dresses him everyday and he dont care about clothes
[04:31:33] <shaun413> Statics. Not stats
[04:31:42] <shaun413> Like trusses
[04:31:43] <XXCoder> shaun413: its called lazy typing
[04:31:47] <shaun413> Oh
[04:31:54] <zeeshan> shaun413: ouch.
[04:31:58] <zeeshan> statics on ppt?
[04:31:58] <zeeshan> haha
[04:32:03] <shaun413> Yeah
[04:32:04] <shaun413> Bs
[04:32:08] <zeeshan> almost all my mech eng course were pen and paper
[04:32:12] <zeeshan> pencil and paper :P
[04:32:16] <XXCoder> zeeshan: nah hes too old for powerpoint. he barely used it
[04:32:20] <shaun413> The lady would literally do this
[04:32:28] <shaun413> Put a problem up during lecture
[04:32:36] <shaun413> Tell us to take 15 min and solve it
[04:32:38] <zeeshan> see thats whats tough
[04:32:41] <XXCoder> only bare minium as he talked. just points. exactly what ppt is supposed to be
[04:32:41] <shaun413> ...
[04:32:42] <zeeshan> statics is a funamdental course
[04:32:52] <zeeshan> to understand higher level courses like machine elements ands tuff
[04:32:53] <shaun413> Statics is also very easy
[04:32:57] <shaun413> Its just triangles
[04:33:07] <zeeshan> it can get a bit complex sometimes to visualize
[04:33:10] <zeeshan> when you're doing 3d problems
[04:33:13] <XXCoder> just white and black text lol not even stylized. some teachers really style ppt hard like its worth shit
[04:33:14] <shaun413> Idk
[04:33:19] <shaun413> I get it easily
[04:33:25] <zeeshan> i just resolve into components
[04:33:26] <shaun413> Its very algorithmic
[04:33:30] <zeeshan> yep
[04:33:39] <zeeshan> to do strength of materials
[04:33:40] <shaun413> So that's easy
[04:33:47] <zeeshan> you gotta understand statics like its addition/subtraction
[04:34:01] <XXCoder> heh I remember just basics. forgot a lot
[04:34:03] <shaun413> Well we take a mechanics of materials course
[04:34:24] <shaun413> I guess that's the more adv stuff
[04:35:28] <zeeshan> thats where you learn stuff like
[04:35:41] <zeeshan> deflection of materials, failure of brittle vs ductile materials
[04:35:46] <zeeshan> bending moment diagrams, shear force diagrams etc
[04:35:56] <zeeshan> its such a good course, cause after that course, you can literally design your own cnc machine
[04:35:56] <zeeshan> :)
[04:35:56] <XXCoder> glad it wasnt part of cs lol
[04:36:03] <shaun413> Is it a horrible idea ton take adv calc , thermo and fluids in one semester?
[04:36:16] <zeeshan> i'd do adv calc before those 2 courses
[04:36:23] <zeeshan> thermo u can do together
[04:36:24] <shaun413> Why
[04:36:26] <zeeshan> its not calculus heavy.
[04:36:37] <zeeshan> but fluids uses stuff like navier stokes equations
[04:36:37] <XXCoder> you dont want homework coming out of your ears
[04:36:55] <zeeshan> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Navier%E2%80%93Stokes_equations
[04:36:57] <shaun413> That's more than diff eq?
[04:36:58] <zeeshan> scroll down to the equation
[04:37:07] <zeeshan> that has a green background.
[04:37:12] <XXCoder> and that yes. I didnt take differnal equation though, didnt need it in CS
[04:37:13] <zeeshan> under derivation and description
[04:37:13] <shaun413> Stokes is calc 3
[04:37:22] <zeeshan> thats stokes theorem
[04:37:24] <shaun413> We are learning that next week
[04:37:24] <zeeshan> not navier stokes equations
[04:37:27] <shaun413> Oh
[04:37:28] <XXCoder> differnal calculus
[04:37:34] <zeeshan> check that equation
[04:37:36] <zeeshan> if you understand it
[04:37:40] <zeeshan> then you'll be fine in fluids
[04:37:51] <zeeshan> but you havent done substatial derivative..
[04:37:57] <zeeshan> so i doubt you can understand it fully
[04:38:01] <XXCoder> lol nope from me
[04:38:16] <zeeshan> those upside down delta are just
[04:38:18] <zeeshan> 'gradient'
[04:38:32] <XXCoder> thats definitely from linear algbera
[04:38:36] <shaun413> I know what a gradient is
[04:38:38] <zeeshan> the vector <del/del x, del/del y, del/del z>
[04:38:47] <zeeshan> when you multiply that by the vector v
[04:38:53] <zeeshan> you're basically doing dot product
[04:38:55] <shaun413> Is substantial der a partial der
[04:38:59] <zeeshan> no
[04:38:59] <shaun413> ??
[04:39:02] <shaun413> Oh
[04:39:03] <zeeshan> its also called material derivative
[04:39:08] <zeeshan> substational derviative in real life is basically
[04:39:10] <shaun413> I know grad
[04:39:21] <shaun413> Oh....
[04:39:26] <zeeshan> gives you the local acceleration of the fluid + how the fluid motion accelerates the fluid
[04:39:29] <zeeshan> thats how i remember it..
[04:39:39] <zeeshan> i don't remember the mathematical definition :p
[04:39:41] <shaun413> The equation looked easy enough
[04:39:53] <zeeshan> then i think you'll be fine doing all 3 of those in 1 term
[04:40:04] <shaun413> Hm
[04:40:12] <XXCoder> heh fun chat, gonna sleep so I'm worth something at work tomorrow at 5:30 am lol
[04:40:16] <shaun413> Should be fun:p
[04:40:16] <zeeshan> cu XXCoder
[04:40:22] <shaun413> Bye
[04:40:23] <XXCoder> night
[04:40:29] <ktchk> linuxcnc 2.5.4 is out, the problem of using ibus input for chinese freeze linuxcnc is fixed.
[04:41:09] <shaun413> I should see if you can run a 3d printer off of linuxcnc
[04:41:11] <shaun413> :/
[04:42:09] <shaun413> Any who
[04:42:12] <shaun413> Bedtime
[04:42:31] <shaun413> Gn
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[04:55:32] <zeeshan> http://imgur.com/a/HIQBE
[04:55:34] <zeeshan> i'm thinking
[04:55:38] <zeeshan> instead of buying a vertical bandsaw
[04:55:46] <zeeshan> i should just deal with using the blue one in vertical mode
[04:55:55] <zeeshan> and instead start saving up for buying sheet metal bending tools
[04:56:04] <zeeshan> would be nice to make my own enclosures
[05:00:11] * Jymmm lol @ zeeshan
[05:00:22] <zeeshan> why you laughing at me :{
[05:00:38] <zeeshan> im thinking of only buying stuff that offers full functionality
[05:01:07] <zeeshan> realistically, i can cut most stuff on the mill instead of bandsaw
[05:01:27] <zeeshan> the main reason i wanted a vertical bandsaw was for this:
[05:01:28] <Jymmm> you're buying a hooker?
[05:01:39] <zeeshan> haha you;re laughing at me pulling a shaun
[05:01:39] <zeeshan> ROFL
[05:01:43] <zeeshan> i didnt even realize
[05:02:06] <zeeshan> http://www.roadraceengineering.com/parts/tweekerparts/donuts.jpg
[05:02:11] <zeeshan> cutting this stuff requires a vertical bandsaw
[05:02:16] <zeeshan> i hate using the miter for it.
[05:02:41] <Jymmm> you just said you are going to use the table from the grn saw on the blue one, wth you thinking now?!
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[05:03:13] <zeeshan> the problem is
[05:03:19] <zeeshan> that table is fine for cutting flat stock
[05:03:27] <zeeshan> but asap you try to put curved stuff like that donut i posted
[05:03:35] <zeeshan> it shakes everything
[05:03:42] <zeeshan> i guess i should try it first on this machine then decide.
[05:03:53] <Jymmm> Make a thicker table and mounts then
[05:04:27] <zeeshan> its got an 11 inch throat
[05:04:34] <zeeshan> so i think itll be fine for the majority of stuff i can ever imagine
[05:04:41] <zeeshan> so its worth making a thicker table for it
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[12:01:33] <XXCoder> zeeshan: related to discussion yeserday lol https://scontent-b-sea.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/l/t1.0-9/q71/s720x720/1011799_799027256784954_2968978455914325637_n.jpg
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[12:23:02] <shaun413> Morning!
[12:23:33] <shaun413> Lol xxcoder
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[12:29:18] <jdh> so, how about that cheapass HF 7x lathe
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[12:33:36] <Jymmm> How NOT to pick a lawyer/doctor... They are seen in "Super Lawyer" or "Super Doctor"
[12:35:06] <Jymmm> You pay $1000, submit the article you wrote, and they publish it.
[12:36:15] <_methods> sounds like higher education
[12:37:59] <Jymmm> lol
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[12:38:10] <_methods> hehe
[12:38:14] <Jymmm> Wait, I think it's jumped up now to $5000
[12:38:25] <_methods> publish and profit
[12:38:31] <Jymmm> http://www.superlawyers.com/about/print_platinumprofile.html
[12:38:50] <Jymmm> photographer and copyeditor included now
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[12:41:58] <shaun413> Didn't get it jdh
[12:48:04] <Jymmm> WTF... GM, calling itself “New GM,” also said in its April 15 motion with the U.S. District Court for the Southern District of Texas that a stay is necessary because “Old GM,” the company that built the 2006 Cobalt, no longer exists after its post-bailout bankruptcy reorganization in 2009.
[12:48:24] <_methods> yes
[12:48:30] <shaun413> Ha
[12:48:31] <_methods> so we can't be held accountable
[12:48:49] <_methods> so sorry
[12:48:51] <_methods> come again
[12:49:40] <Jymmm> So, I can kill someone, file BK, and it's all good?
[12:49:56] <_methods> yep
[12:50:00] <_methods> but companies are people
[12:50:15] <_methods> that can't be held accountable
[12:50:28] <_methods> so yeah just incorporate yourself
[12:50:34] <_methods> go on a dexter spree
[12:50:34] * Jymmm Inc, a LLC
[12:50:40] <_methods> file for bankruptcy
[12:50:46] <_methods> and get pardoned
[12:51:07] <_methods> new Jymmm llc
[12:51:19] <_methods> can't be held accountable for old Jymmm llc
[12:51:28] <_methods> he was nuts
[12:51:34] <shaun413> Shaun llc
[12:51:35] <Jymmm> woohoo... PROFIT!
[12:52:57] <_methods> then you take that profit and publish some super lawyer stuff
[12:53:17] <_methods> and start an insurance company
[12:53:19] <Jymmm> Super Car 2.0
[12:53:32] <_methods> it's a money feedback cycle
[12:53:44] <_methods> and you can be in the middle of it all jerkin off on america
[12:54:17] <_methods> or as i like to call it the cash vortex
[12:54:21] <Jymmm> But would NJ even notice the difference?
[12:54:34] <witnit> does this mean they dont have to pay back any loans from the US citizens?
[12:54:43] <_methods> pay back?
[12:54:53] <_methods> that money was owed to them
[12:54:57] <_methods> they are too big to fail
[12:55:00] <witnit> yeah when they auto industry was bailed out
[12:55:06] <_methods> they weren't bailed out
[12:55:10] <_methods> they were bailing america out
[12:55:15] <_methods> one ash tray at a time
[12:55:32] <_methods> can you tell i'm bitter
[12:55:38] <shaun413> You are from nj?
[12:55:57] <_methods> luckily for you i'm not
[12:56:13] <shaun413> :p
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[12:58:35] <Jymmm> Man, "Thomson Reuters" scares the crap out of me. They are a hella smart PR + firm
[13:00:25] <Jymmm> These ppl have scientists on staff!
[13:00:32] <shaun413> !
[13:00:48] <shaun413> Try CNN :p
[13:00:59] <shaun413> ^is a joke
[13:01:06] <shaun413> Don't subject yourself
[13:06:20] <Jymmm> "A "secret warranty" program, also known as a "silent recall," is a program where a car manufacturer offers repairs for free or at a discounted price to some, but not all, of its customers."
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[13:23:25] <_methods> http://www.amechanicalmind.com/
[13:27:16] <Jymmm> https://img1.etsystatic.com/031/0/6161932/il_fullxfull.590955333_afil.jpg
[13:27:40] <Jymmm> https://img1.etsystatic.com/040/0/6161932/il_fullxfull.590954311_if96.jpg
[13:28:40] <_methods> yeah
[13:28:45] <_methods> that spider is awesome
[13:29:23] * _methods would love to go dig around junkyard for cool project like that
[13:29:38] <_methods> but alas i have like 5 projects going at one time as it is
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[14:22:50] <shaun413> Hi
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[14:40:22] <cradek> http://www.jwz.org/blog/2014/04/bear-on-stairs/
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[15:32:48] <shaun413> Hi
[15:38:37] <jdh> hello shaun, how are you this fine day.
[15:38:43] <shaun413> Excellent
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[15:43:47] <jdh> what are you thinking someone will pay you to make?
[15:44:00] <jdh> and will you be running linuxcnc on it?
[15:44:14] <shaun413> With?
[15:44:20] <humble_sea_bass> glib globs and whatevermajigs
[15:44:40] <shaun413> I'll make sea bass
[15:45:10] <humble_sea_bass> sorry you;ll have to buy me dinner, and even then not till the 3rd date
[15:45:23] <shaun413> Oh damn
[15:45:29] <humble_sea_bass> so like TLC said, no scrubs
[15:45:44] <shaun413> OK come to ru
[15:46:09] <humble_sea_bass> you expect me to get around on your bus pass?
[15:46:56] <shaun413> Pass?
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[15:47:40] <humble_sea_bass> your knowledge of rap is right next to your knowledge of machining, that is to say non-existent
[15:47:53] <shaun413> Indeed
[15:48:23] <humble_sea_bass> anyways, i'm gonna get back to work. Get better.
[15:48:44] <shaun413> Cya
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[16:31:26] <Gigs-> new york city, 1977
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[16:40:14] <zeeshan> XXCoder: haha
[16:40:24] <XXCoder> love that comic lol
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[16:44:14] <CaptHindsight> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Hitachi-Seiki-VM-40-/271456197388 these go for 10-15k used working at this age
[16:44:36] <Gigs-> or less
[16:44:58] <XXCoder> still exists I see
[16:45:08] <XXCoder> no bids either
[16:45:14] <Gigs-> it would take the right buyer to be able to move it and power it
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[16:45:25] <Gigs-> not something joe bob can put in his shed
[16:45:40] <CaptHindsight> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Vectrax-CNC-Mill-/301125322810 Vectrax CNC Mill $4k
[16:45:46] <zeeshan> a little too big for the garage =D
[16:45:55] <XXCoder> use time lord tech
[16:46:00] <Gigs-> I wonder if it could even run off a phase converter
[16:46:06] <Gigs-> do you have any idea of the amps
[16:46:40] <Gigs-> people do do it though... I found some forum posts where a guy was setting a used one up more or less DIY
[16:47:11] <Gigs-> he had some problems because he didn't bond the grounds between the control and the machine because they were run off separate panels and he was afraid to, so he had floating voltages
[16:47:19] <CaptHindsight> http://www.ebay.com/itm/HITACHI-SEIKI-VM-40-/201072689218 another one that actually working for the same price
[16:47:43] <Gigs-> if the "broken door borad" listing is honest, that ones probably an easy fix if you can do board level electronics
[16:47:50] <CaptHindsight> isn't pete moving to FL?
[16:48:32] <CaptHindsight> "MACHINE DOES NOT RUN NEEDS SPINDLE DRIVE" sorry missed that
[16:48:59] <XXCoder> shhh
[16:49:03] <Gigs-> once the local HVAC guy brought me a wood mill saw controller box to fix... I'm not sure what he expected, but when I returned it to him a week later with a $150 invoice, he seemed surprised
[16:49:34] <Gigs-> I was thinking to myself... you charge me $250 ever time you come fix my heat pump even if it only takes an hour so screw you
[16:50:12] <Gigs-> not many people in this town would have the high power mosfets you needed to fix his saw controller just laying around :P
[16:50:32] <zeeshan> you guys play around with a tenths indicator?
[16:50:38] <zeeshan> thing is frigging sensitive!
[16:51:14] <Gigs-> I think my dad is going senile... the other day he told me you can't cut radiuses on a rotary table, only index holes.
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[16:51:19] <Gigs-> that's wrong right?
[16:51:45] <zeeshan> you can cut radiuses on anything you want
[16:51:54] <zeeshan> using a radius tool
[16:51:55] <zeeshan> :P
[16:52:13] <Gigs-> yeah yeah, circular arc cut paths
[16:52:29] <zeeshan> http://www.micro-machine-shop.com/radius_cutters.jpg
[16:52:54] <CaptHindsight> I wonder what happens if you rotate the table while cutting?
[16:53:32] <Gigs-> it cuts a circular path...
[16:54:05] <Gigs-> maybe he thought it was just an index table or something and not a real rotary
[16:54:53] <Gigs-> though there's posts on the net of people cutting arcs with freely rotating tables, using a long handle, scary but they say it's safe if you go easy
[16:55:14] <Gigs-> seems kind of pointless with the price of used rotary tables being what they are
[16:56:07] <Gigs-> the one I got was $400 and is a massive heavy boat anchor made in japan in what appears to be the 1960s or so
[16:56:25] <Gigs-> $80 of that was shipping heh
[16:57:07] <Gigs-> did you know UPS charges an extra fee for things in wood boxes?
[16:57:32] <Gigs-> seems like they'd want to encourage wood crates instead of people boxing too-heavy stuff in cardboard, but oh well
[16:57:53] <Gigs-> I guess you could always wrap the wood crate in a cardboard box
[16:58:02] <XXCoder> or cardboard 2x thick with wood reforcement
[16:58:12] <Gigs-> yeah or chop up a gaylord
[16:58:20] <Gigs-> that gaylord triwall might as well be wood
[16:59:03] <Gigs-> it's at least as strong as half inch plywood
[17:00:35] <Gigs-> I watched a "how it's made" last night and they were making rawhide lampshades... I had serious spot welder envy
[17:01:21] <Gigs-> their spot welder would take 1/3 inch spring temper rod and they'd overlap the ends slightly, the thing would melt the stacked ends right down back to single diameter
[17:01:49] <Gigs-> you know, that IRIX power supply with 345 amps at 3.45 volts.... mmmm
[17:02:00] <Gigs-> I wonder if it would trip off if I made it into a spot welder
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[17:05:50] <XXCoder> https://scontent-b-sea.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn2/t1.0-9/1236881_606200082798667_321257600840896550_n.jpg
[17:05:52] <XXCoder> youre welcome.
[17:06:31] <XXCoder> anyway more seriously http://interestingengineering.com/the-building-eating-robot/
[17:06:38] <XXCoder> amazing, a house unprinter
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[17:17:07] <Gigs-> just wait until it's tiny autonomous robots
[17:17:29] <Gigs-> that'd probably be regulated as a weapon though hehe
[17:17:34] <XXCoder> I wonder if theres a point where humans would wipe themselves out but cities would keep rebuilding
[17:17:54] <XXCoder> evenually theres perfect unused cities on earth. I bet aliens would be hella spooked
[17:18:13] <Gigs-> you'd have to have machines that can repair machines of the same sort as themselves
[17:18:26] <Gigs-> something has to "close the loop" at some point for that to happen
[17:18:31] <XXCoder> yeah. it would have to have ability to fix each other too
[17:18:44] <XXCoder> there have to be mining machines, scrapper, so on
[17:19:02] <XXCoder> if power sources is all solar and they can keep it maintanced it can be forever
[17:19:11] <XXCoder> more or less forever anyway
[17:20:02] <XXCoder> I remember one scifi story - humans is very old species, and group of humans find one ship thats been floating in space damaged for million+ years
[17:20:37] <XXCoder> its repair system kept running but million of years theres slight nanomachine rebuild errors, result was rounded, slightly melted look
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[17:25:47] <XXCoder> Gigs-: other future possibility heh http://www.smbc-comics.com/index.php?db=comics&id=2551
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[17:27:18] <shaun413> Hi
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[17:32:00] <Gigs-> my wife has some cosmetic product that is in a pump bottle that is like a test tube in the center, surrounded by a larger shroud
[17:32:22] <Gigs-> 1.4 ounces or something in the size of a bottle that could hold 7 ounces at least
[17:32:51] <XXCoder> lol
[17:32:57] <XXCoder> bottles. all way down
[17:33:32] <Gigs-> the irony is that the bottle probably cost more than 6 ounces of whatever cheap crap they put in it
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[17:33:44] <XXCoder> bottle sells
[17:33:50] <Gigs-> but I guess the idea is people would run out quicker and it looks artsy and fancy
[17:34:26] <Gigs-> cosmetics is a weird industry, 10 cents of common industrial chemicals with a 1000x markup, yet it's a very hard market to break into
[17:35:17] <XXCoder> some stuff isnt just industual
[17:35:23] <XXCoder> they actually use natural stuff
[17:35:30] <XXCoder> like whale shit and vomit
[17:35:37] <Gigs-> for some definition of natural
[17:35:43] <XXCoder> vomit can make you couple thousand bucks if you find it
[17:35:54] <Gigs-> not if you sell it at the amusement park
[17:36:42] <Gigs-> the funny thing is that when it comes to highly refined oils, vitamin A is considered a contaminant... remove it from there, sell it in cosmetics and suppliments :)
[17:37:12] <XXCoder> lol
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[17:38:34] <IchGuckLive> hi all B)
[17:39:31] <XXCoder> hey IchGuckLive
[17:39:41] <XXCoder> what stuff in home depot can act like rails?
[17:39:46] <XXCoder> tried to ask but you left lol
[17:41:12] <Gigs-> rails for what
[17:41:18] <XXCoder> cnc rputer
[17:41:24] <XXCoder> router
[17:42:26] <Gigs-> you could use round bar stock they sell at somewhat high prices, and they might have some bronze sleeve bearings you could use as linear bearings
[17:43:00] <XXCoder> thats what I thought but ich might have different idea
[17:43:09] <shaun413> hi guys
[17:43:38] <Gigs-> stuff is way cheaper if you can drive to a metal supplier
[17:44:09] <XXCoder> I bet
[17:44:43] <Gigs-> I was in a nearby town for a doctor's appt and decided to stop by the metal place, asked them about 4140 round 1 inch, and they said they only had 12 foot lengths, $40... I was like... "per foot??"
[17:44:43] <XXCoder> I might have a idea - 2 L beams that has linear bearings on both sides and edge
[17:44:52] <Gigs-> they meant the whole thing :)
[17:45:30] <Gigs-> $10 cut fee and they chopped it up to fit in my pickup
[17:45:50] <XXCoder> 12 foot $40?
[17:45:59] <XXCoder> one inch alum?
[17:46:04] <Gigs-> 4140 alloy steel
[17:46:12] <XXCoder> oh wow pretty cheap
[17:46:19] <XXCoder> if I remember pricing correct
[17:47:09] <Gigs-> yeah it's a good price
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[17:47:32] <XXCoder> heh if I had and jknew how to use lathe I'd make rail myself
[17:47:33] <Gigs-> aluminum plate is still expensive though
[17:47:48] <XXCoder> just need smooth all same dia rods
[17:47:53] <Gigs-> 4x6 foot 1/2 inch aluminum was $550
[17:48:05] <XXCoder> large.
[17:48:17] <XXCoder> I doubt I will ever need something that large lol
[17:48:18] <Gigs-> I didn't buy it because I wanted a 4x4
[17:48:32] <Gigs-> but they didn't want to cut the sheet in anything other than half if I wasn't going to buy the whole thing
[17:48:38] <Gigs-> it was a 4x12 from the mill
[17:49:48] <IchGuckLive> BBQ im off BYE
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[17:50:07] <XXCoder> bah wish he'd answer my question lol
[17:50:24] <Gigs-> trying to cobble stuff together from home improvement stores sucks xxcoder
[17:50:32] <Gigs-> you need to either find a local place or order stuff
[17:50:35] <XXCoder> yeah
[17:50:44] <XXCoder> do local places for SBR16 even exist?
[17:50:56] <XXCoder> or even cnc screws, etc with rail set
[17:50:58] <Gigs-> probably
[17:51:05] <XXCoder> I dont even know how to find
[17:52:54] <Gigs-> it's harder to find that stuff because a lot of it is sold through non-catalog industrial suppliers
[17:53:23] <Gigs-> but for standard bearings and stock you can find a local source no problem
[17:53:33] <shaun413> basic tooling chink alorirs type, tail stock, and bench.
[17:53:36] <shaun413> what is this^
[17:53:42] <shaun413> basic tooling chink alorirs type, tail stock, and bench.
[17:53:43] <archivist> some sellers are on ebay, search on ebay by distance nearest first
[17:53:46] <shaun413> woops
[17:53:53] <XXCoder> arch ok checking
[17:53:54] <shaun413> http://cnj.craigslist.org/tls/4431242849.html
[17:54:00] <shaun413> this guy said thats what it comes with
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[17:54:43] <archivist> dork could not even get the picture the right way round
[17:55:09] <shaun413> :/
[17:55:19] <XXCoder> Pee on it.
[17:55:20] <Gigs-> shaun413 you should ask if it comes with a normal tailstock or just that live center thing that's in the picture
[17:55:23] <archivist> but southbend lathes are ok
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[17:55:52] <shaun413> he said it comes with a tailstock
[17:56:21] <archivist> bit expensive for its age perhaps
[17:56:32] <shaun413> ah
[17:56:35] <Gigs-> the alloris goes with quick change
[17:56:40] <Gigs-> he put a period in the wrong spot
[17:56:42] <shaun413> what is an alloris?
[17:56:47] <Gigs-> it should say alloris quick change system
[17:57:00] <shaun413> I see
[17:57:09] <Gigs-> it's a tool post locking deal
[17:57:16] <Gigs-> you can leave your bits set up and change the whole side
[17:57:30] <shaun413> neat
[17:57:37] <Gigs-> depending on how many of the side things you have
[17:57:40] <shaun413> right
[17:58:01] <archivist> has the screw cutting gearbox
[17:58:20] <Gigs-> you'd really have to go see the machine
[17:58:34] <shaun413> I wouldnt know what to look for...
[17:58:48] <Gigs-> the ways close to the chuck look like they might be eaten up
[17:58:55] <Gigs-> can't tell the picture is crappy
[17:59:12] <Gigs-> on some school lathes people chewed the ways down to nothing close to the chuck
[17:59:22] <shaun413> I asked for more pics
[17:59:24] <shaun413> didnt send
[17:59:30] <Gigs-> he seems barely computer literate
[17:59:41] <Gigs-> you should just call him and go see the lathe if you really want to know
[17:59:51] <shaun413> yeah.
[18:00:08] <Gigs-> 4 foot is kind of small
[18:00:20] <shaun413> Ive never owned one , so IDK what im looking at TBH
[18:00:33] <shaun413> I dont have room for anything bigger
[18:00:43] <archivist> find a local lathe user to help you
[18:00:51] <Gigs-> well you want a normal tailstock with a taper in it, so you'd look for that
[18:01:03] <shaun413> ok
[18:01:09] <shaun413> live center?
[18:01:12] <shaun413> IIRC?
[18:01:19] <Gigs-> don't worry about what comes with the tailstock that's easy to buy
[18:01:30] <Gigs-> as long as he has the normal one and not just that centering ring thing
[18:01:43] <archivist> rotated pic http://www.collection.archivist.info/archive/mirror/00808_jASJErsUOVC_600x450.jpg crap lo res
[18:01:58] <shaun413> OK
[18:02:08] <shaun413> I did ask what came additional with it
[18:02:12] <shaun413> and he said tailstock so...
[18:02:15] <archivist> that is a steady, mine does not have it
[18:02:27] <Gigs-> oh that's what it's called, thanks
[18:03:07] <Gigs-> check the condition of the ways obviously... that dark spot near the chuck looks concerning
[18:03:10] <shaun413> is that a good lathe though?
[18:03:29] <XXCoder> Gigs-: I do think using solid rods is best way to make rails, but I'm uncertain how to build roller thing that slides on rod
[18:03:33] <shaun413> Gigs-, I think thats a reflection
[18:03:55] <XXCoder> or maybe I should make moving bed. easier since I could just use drawer bearings
[18:04:09] <XXCoder> definitely down in quality but hey they're supercheeapo
[18:04:13] <Gigs-> you don't need a roller xxcoder
[18:04:20] <Gigs-> you can use bronze sleeves
[18:04:21] <archivist> they are a reasonable lathe but can be worn, mine is badly worn but still manages good work
[18:04:24] <shaun413> what should i offer?
[18:04:35] <XXCoder> Gigs-: near zero clearance?
[18:04:46] <XXCoder> with good grease I suppose it would smoothly slide
[18:04:57] <Gigs-> the bronze has oil in it
[18:05:21] <shaun413> what can you do to test if the ways are worn?
[18:05:21] <XXCoder> could you link to it? home depot has link
[18:05:25] <XXCoder> *website
[18:05:41] <Gigs-> http://www.homedepot.com/p/The-Hillman-Group-1-4-x-3-8-x-1-Bronze-Sleeve-Bearings-882744/202242825
[18:06:06] <XXCoder> how do I attach something to it though
[18:06:16] <Gigs-> well that's the tricky part
[18:06:34] <Gigs-> you'd need to press fit it into a precise hole :P
[18:06:36] <XXCoder> also does it says one inch does it mean its interior hole is one inch?
[18:06:57] <Gigs-> no that one is 1/4 inch inside, 3/8 ouside and 1 inch long
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[18:07:11] <shaun413> archivist, you ahve this lathe?
[18:07:13] <shaun413> is it a 9a?
[18:07:32] <Gigs-> XXCoder: I guess you could slip it into a block and then hold it with a few set screws
[18:07:36] <archivist> no mine is a bigger one
[18:07:45] <XXCoder> yeah That was what I was thinking.
[18:07:58] <shaun413> i see
[18:08:01] <archivist> grown up southbend http://www.collection.archivist.info/archive/DJCPD/PD/2012/2012_06_15_Adcock_Shipley/IMG_1251.JPG
[18:08:18] <Gigs-> XXCoder: I mean obviously it's not the ideal solution but if you are seriously considering drawer glides then it's probably better than that
[18:08:20] <XXCoder> wow it grew well ;)
[18:08:46] <XXCoder> gigs when its moving bed drawer glides would work well. 4 of em in parallel
[18:08:58] <Gigs-> those are cheap riveted plastic rollers
[18:09:04] <shaun413> thats a huge lathe
[18:09:30] <XXCoder> theres other type that uses bearings
[18:09:43] <XXCoder> ikea has em lol can just buy em as is without any drawers
[18:10:04] <Gigs-> just order a few bags of small plain bearings
[18:10:15] <Gigs-> the small ones are pretty cheap
[18:10:21] <XXCoder> ok
[18:10:44] <XXCoder> I do prefer sbr rails pretty lot more
[18:10:52] <shaun413> anyone know how to make a rough but fine surface on glass?
[18:10:52] <Gigs-> are all the sbr metric?
[18:11:13] <XXCoder> so if there was local supply I'd get em if cheaper than chinese product + shipping
[18:11:16] <shaun413> something that would make a matte type surface
[18:11:18] <XXCoder> seems so
[18:11:21] <Gigs-> shaun413: etched glass? its done with hydroflouric acid
[18:11:24] <shaun413> but allow for some roughness
[18:11:31] <XXCoder> I already told ya, acid
[18:11:34] <shaun413> I need it to be slightly rough
[18:11:39] <shaun413> acid will do that?
[18:11:43] <Gigs-> HF will
[18:11:43] <XXCoder> you keep asking same questions over and over
[18:11:53] <Gigs-> you can get HF at wal mart, it's called rust stain remover
[18:11:54] <shaun413> where can I get HF?
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[18:12:02] <Gigs-> it's in the laundry and cleaning section
[18:12:06] <XXCoder> Gigs-: nice, didnt know that
[18:12:09] <shaun413> is it safe?
[18:12:12] <Gigs-> no
[18:12:14] <Gigs-> HF is never safe
[18:12:18] <XXCoder> heck no. acid!
[18:12:18] <shaun413> ?
[18:12:19] <Gigs-> don't get it on your skin
[18:12:23] <shaun413> well yes
[18:12:27] <XXCoder> buy ruvbber washing gloves
[18:12:27] <shaun413> I mean relatively
[18:12:41] <Gigs-> it will penetrate your skin and attack the calcium in your bones, you may not know you have a burn until your bones just disintegrate
[18:12:52] <Gigs-> so yeah, be careful
[18:13:04] <shaun413> wow
[18:13:09] <XXCoder> Gigs-: should rubber dishwash gloves be suffecent?
[18:13:17] <XXCoder> I remember yes but.. been long years
[18:13:23] <Gigs-> yeah just keep it off your skin
[18:13:40] <shaun413> would snadpaper work?
[18:13:42] <shaun413> sand*
[18:13:50] <XXCoder> yes/no
[18:13:51] <Gigs-> it wouldn't be as uniform as etching
[18:13:56] <XXCoder> exactly
[18:14:10] <Gigs-> glass is almost as hard as sandpaper anyway
[18:14:19] <Gigs-> you'd be better off using bulk abrasive
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[18:14:27] <shaun413> hm
[18:14:35] <shaun413> like emery?
[18:14:37] <Gigs-> otherwise you'll burn through sandpaper quickly
[18:14:41] <XXCoder> buy several cheapass peices of glass, or use store jars, acid etch those first at various time lengths
[18:14:52] <XXCoder> see what what time makes finish you like
[18:15:04] <shaun413> I dont want to fool with acid if I dont have to...
[18:15:21] <Gigs-> go steal a handful of sand from a playground
[18:15:26] <XXCoder> know your poison hotline
[18:15:37] <shaun413> what would sand do?
[18:15:46] <XXCoder> think about it.
[18:15:48] <XXCoder> sand...paper..
[18:15:50] <shaun413> well...
[18:15:52] <Gigs-> just saying bulk abrasive would be quicker than sandpaper
[18:15:57] <shaun413> Oh
[18:16:00] <shaun413> like blasting?
[18:16:06] <Gigs-> yes like blasting media
[18:16:13] <shaun413> I dont own a blaster
[18:16:19] <Gigs-> you can just scrub it on there
[18:16:21] <XXCoder> that or just directly use. rub like sandpaper.
[18:16:29] <shaun413> OH
[18:16:32] <XXCoder> use gloves because youre sanding your hand too
[18:16:40] <shaun413> yeah...
[18:16:51] <shaun413> hmm, wonder if this would work.
[18:16:52] <Gigs-> also breathing silicon dust isn't great for you
[18:17:00] <Gigs-> dust mask would be best
[18:17:14] <shaun413> I guess
[18:17:15] <shaun413> ok
[18:17:44] <Gigs-> if you need a finer surface an auto parts store has high grit sandpapers and polishing compounds
[18:17:56] <shaun413> Ok
[18:18:03] <XXCoder> frankly, acid is better in almost every respect
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[18:18:19] <Gigs-> yeah it's going to be very time consuming to make a matte surface with hand sanding :P
[18:18:31] <shaun413> well
[18:18:34] <Gigs-> one big scratch in there could take you hours to buff back out
[18:18:35] <XXCoder> you can lazy up while its etching glass. just test cheapass glasses first know how long to get that finish
[18:18:48] <shaun413> Im trying to make a slightly rough surface, not just for effect
[18:18:53] <Gigs-> you could probably get real glass etching HF at a hobby store even
[18:18:55] <shaun413> for adhesion of 3d prints
[18:19:00] <XXCoder> dollar store you can buy glass vises for well duh dollah each
[18:19:24] <XXCoder> or just use your empty glass jars from food for free. clean first
[18:19:37] <shaun413> its large glass sheets
[18:19:46] <shaun413> 200mm^2
[18:19:46] <XXCoder> shaun413: its for testing
[18:19:47] <_methods> i tried blasting glass
[18:19:49] <shaun413> true
[18:19:51] <_methods> for adhesion
[18:19:55] <shaun413> did it work?
[18:19:57] <_methods> it worked too well
[18:20:00] <shaun413> HA
[18:20:00] <Gigs-> heh
[18:20:02] <shaun413> yeah...
[18:20:03] <_methods> i kept ripping chunks of glass out
[18:20:08] <XXCoder> make more sand!!
[18:20:08] <shaun413> thats a concern
[18:20:11] * _methods went back to hairspray
[18:20:12] <XXCoder> lol
[18:20:27] <shaun413> I want to find something thats permanent
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[18:20:34] <shaun413> doesnt require spray
[18:20:36] <shaun413> or glue
[18:20:37] <_methods> oh it was permanent
[18:20:40] <Gigs-> you could etch with HF for just a short time
[18:20:40] <shaun413> :p
[18:20:49] <Gigs-> that would only barely change the surface
[18:20:58] <shaun413> i see
[18:21:07] <shaun413> its scary stuff though...
[18:21:22] <Gigs-> another thing you could try is dusting the glass with very fine carbon and then heating it until it almost melts
[18:21:26] <XXCoder> I etched glass before I was even teenager
[18:21:30] <Gigs-> that will cause surface recrystallization
[18:21:43] <Gigs-> that happens on high temperature lamps that get contaminated
[18:21:49] <XXCoder> just be careful, plastic cover table, use elbow long dishwashing gloves
[18:22:01] <shaun413> ah
[18:22:21] <XXCoder> wash in kitchen sink when done with just water
[18:22:26] <Gigs-> our UV curing lamps here at work turn their surface matte even when we don't want them to :P
[18:22:30] <shaun413> im thinking a coating of some kind may be better
[18:22:35] <shaun413> rather than an etching
[18:22:40] <Gigs-> surface contamination + high temperature = matte glass
[18:23:13] <Gigs-> of course those are high grade quartz glass, I don't know if typical pane glass responds the same way
[18:23:13] <XXCoder> heh I'm definitely tempted to get a kiln
[18:23:20] <Gigs-> probably does though
[18:23:27] <XXCoder> just for fun melting glass into molds or something
[18:23:31] <shaun413> hehe
[18:24:08] <Gigs-> XXCoder: are all the sbr's metric
[18:24:15] <XXCoder> Gigs-: yeah seems so
[18:24:15] <CaptHindsight> does it really have to be etched?
[18:24:33] <XXCoder> according to ich sbr16 is suffecent for pretty good router cnc
[18:24:54] <XXCoder> sbr20 is overkill unless large cnc (like 4'x8' or something) or mill steel
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[18:25:14] <shaun413> I dont think it needs to be etched
[18:25:15] <CaptHindsight> is it just a matte decorative surface on glass?
[18:25:18] <shaun413> No
[18:25:22] <shaun413> its for adhesion
[18:25:25] <Gigs-> they want their 3d prints to stick
[18:25:31] <shaun413> but not too much
[18:25:36] <shaun413> unstick when wanted
[18:25:36] <CaptHindsight> oh sheesh
[18:25:40] <shaun413> and stick when wanted
[18:25:41] <shaun413> :p
[18:25:45] <shaun413> usually when Hot
[18:26:16] <CaptHindsight> I tried to teach them about adhesion years ago, they just don't listen
[18:26:18] <XXCoder> I wonder if sbr12 is enough for me
[18:26:33] <shaun413> CaptHindsight, teach me!
[18:26:48] <XXCoder> check this out http://www.ebay.com/itm/2-SBR12-1400-880-380-MM-SUPPORTED-LINEAR-RAIL-SHAFT-12-SBR12UU-Rounter-Bearing-/261058105411?pt=BI_Heavy_Equipment_Parts&hash=item3cc8469043
[18:27:03] <XXCoder> 185 bucks free shipping
[18:27:11] <XXCoder> and its pretty large
[18:27:30] <CaptHindsight> just look up surface tension since you're just using off the shelf PLA
[18:27:49] <shaun413> I know what surface tension is
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[18:28:36] <CaptHindsight> the surface tension of PLA is pretty consistent at a given temp, but they magically want their molten PLA to stick to 20C glass
[18:28:44] <shaun413> :p
[18:28:52] <shaun413> I use a heated bed
[18:29:00] <shaun413> to 50c
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[18:29:53] <CaptHindsight> whats the temp of the PLA after it leaves the nozzle?
[18:30:05] <shaun413> 190c
[18:30:10] <CaptHindsight> what's the distance between the orifice and the surface?
[18:30:19] <shaun413> probably about .2mm
[18:30:21] <CaptHindsight> in the nozzle it's 190C
[18:30:22] <shaun413> .3mm
[18:30:29] <CaptHindsight> how about after it exits?
[18:30:33] <shaun413> colder
[18:30:53] <CaptHindsight> so the surface tension changes
[18:30:58] <shaun413> Yes
[18:31:53] <CaptHindsight> too high a contact angle and it doesn't adhere well
[18:32:26] <CaptHindsight> lower the angle and it will flow and adhere
[18:33:06] <shaun413> hm
[18:33:11] <shaun413> contact agnle?
[18:33:14] <shaun413> angle?
[18:33:38] <CaptHindsight> read up on surface energy and tension
[18:33:52] <shaun413> so what is it you recommend we do?
[18:34:31] <CaptHindsight> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surface_tension
[18:35:13] <CaptHindsight> do whatever it takes to lower the contact angle http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contact_angle
[18:35:42] <shaun413> ah
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[18:35:47] <shaun413> adding more heat?
[18:36:42] <shaun413> I see
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[18:39:43] <shaun413> add a surfactant?
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[18:43:35] <shaun413> hm
[18:43:43] <XXCoder> HMM
[18:43:49] <XXCoder> Gigs-: would this work? http://www.ebay.com/itm/Vee-Wheel-Linear-Slide-V-groove-bearing-for-CNC-Cameras-Trolly-Plasma-and-Router/251492335229?_trksid=p2047675.c100005.m1851&_trkparms=aid%3D222003%26algo%3DSIC.FIT%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D21398%26meid%3D6366280578679497222%26pid%3D100005%26prg%3D9407%26rk%3D2%26rkt%3D6%26sd%3D291010268130&rt=nc
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[18:44:39] <archivist> what definition of "work"
[18:44:52] <XXCoder> would it work as rails for cnc
[18:45:22] <archivist> depends what the cnc does
[18:45:53] <archivist> get a lathe make them yourself
[18:45:53] <shaun413> anyhting will "work"
[18:45:56] <XXCoder> wood and probably very slow alum cnc router cnc
[18:47:15] <Gigs-> why would you make more work for yourself?
[18:47:25] <Gigs-> if you are going to order from ebay just get the linear bearings
[18:48:18] <XXCoder> that is most likely yeah
[18:48:29] <XXCoder> archivist: think sbr12 would work or too weak? lol
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[18:50:33] <XXCoder> man
[18:50:41] <XXCoder> rails is hardest part to make decusion on lol
[18:50:48] <XXCoder> good thing I'm on no rush.
[18:52:05] <archivist> rails are only as good as the frame they are bolted to
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[18:54:42] <XXCoder> the reason I'm leaning towards sbr is because I can always use it again with upgraded frame
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[19:01:07] <shaun413> Hi
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[20:16:55] <witnit> this is wrong isnt it?
[20:16:57] <witnit> net dout-01 => hm2_[HOSTMOT2](BOARD).0.gpio.022.output-22
[20:17:06] <witnit> net dout-01 => hm2_[HOSTMOT2](BOARD).0.gpio.022.out
[20:18:08] <witnit> since im directly calling the pin, I thought it worked like this, it works for the inputs, I can setp to is_output TRUE but I cannot call a dout-00
[20:18:36] <witnit> or dout01 for that matter
[20:21:16] <witnit> these are set as opendrain does that matter at all on how I net them to my douts?
[20:22:02] <PCW> opendrain will have no effect
[20:22:38] <PCW> but what else it connected to the signal dout-01 does
[20:22:46] <PCW> is connected
[20:22:58] <witnit> net dout-01 <= motion.digital-out-01
[20:25:57] <witnit> it just seemed unusual since I can setp to is_output TRUE and the relay kicks over, but sending commands via mdi does not.
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[20:27:16] <PCW> should be ok but I'm not sure when exactly the M62 etc commands are processed
[20:27:28] <witnit> ok I will keep looking for the break
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[20:27:47] <witnit> maybe aio would to compare it
[20:28:10] <witnit> would work*
[20:28:33] <PCW> M64?
[20:28:46] <witnit> thats what I was using
[20:28:53] <witnit> 64/65
[20:29:02] <PCW> M62 will only work when the next motion command is issued
[20:29:09] <witnit> ok
[20:32:32] <PCW> so you tried
[20:32:34] <PCW> m64 p1
[20:32:35] <PCW> m65 p1
[20:32:37] <PCW> ?
[20:32:55] <witnit> hrmm
[20:32:56] <witnit> yes
[20:33:11] <witnit> its not changing vale in the dout-01
[20:33:14] <witnit> value*
[20:33:27] <witnit> so when watching signals, axis is not getting the message to hal
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[20:34:10] <witnit> is there a different way to tell dout-01 to turn on without using m64/5
[20:34:40] <witnit> as is a setp dout-01 TRUE
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[20:35:43] <PCW> works for me (just tried watching motion.digital.out 0..3)
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[20:37:42] <PCW> sets
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[20:37:57] <PCW> (set signal)
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[20:40:35] <witnit> it already has "writers"
[20:40:59] <witnit> I need to read more, I probably am missing something. crucial :/
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[20:41:47] <witnit> https://gist.github.com/anonymous/11155867
[20:41:51] <witnit> if you are curious
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[20:42:43] <witnit> mic, after we talked, I ended up with working inputs and almost working outputs! Thanks again!
[20:43:32] <micges> witnit: that's good
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[20:55:56] <witnit> setp hm2_7i90.0.gpio.022.is_output TRUE works as intended shouldn't setp hm2_7i90.0.gpio.022.out TRUE also turn on the relay?
[20:56:57] <micges> witnit: what's your setup?
[20:57:08] <witnit> opendrains
[20:57:12] <witnit> if thats what you mean
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[20:59:26] <micges> no daughter boards?
[20:59:30] <witnit> im connecting direct to the 7i90, no daughtercards
[20:59:44] <witnit> heh
[21:00:09] <witnit> my inputs return as din-00 those work when I toggle a switch
[21:00:34] <witnit> however I can only toggle my outputs by invoking a .is_output TRUE
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[21:00:55] <witnit> I cannot enable them via mdi/dout-0x
[21:01:08] <micges> if you use opendrain did you set .is-opendrain param?
[21:01:23] <witnit> yes
[21:01:25] <witnit> to 1
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[21:01:32] <witnit> should it maybe reas otherwise?
[21:01:40] <micges> rather not
[21:01:45] <witnit> my .hal is above at gist
[21:02:54] <micges> witnit: paste on gist oputput from 'show all' command at end of hal file
[21:03:19] <micges> I mean add 'show all' at end of hal and paste terminal output
[21:03:21] <PCW> "setp hm2_7i90.0.gpio.022.is_output TRUE works as intended shouldn't setp hm2_7i90.0.gpio.022.out TRUE also turn on the relay?"
[21:03:23] <PCW> no
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[21:03:50] <PCW> (for OPTO 22 at least)
[21:04:14] <PCW> opto22 racks are acrive low
[21:04:29] <PCW> active low
[21:04:48] <witnit> Im not sure what you mean nucges
[21:04:54] <witnit> mic*
[21:05:45] <zeeshan> knew it
[21:05:50] <zeeshan> noga mag base arrived before sharas
[21:05:51] <zeeshan> shars
[21:05:53] <zeeshan> lol
[21:06:24] <PCW> setp hm2_7i90.0.gpio.022.invert-output true
[21:06:25] <PCW> (for active low outputs)
[21:07:01] <witnit> ohhh okay so thats why they did not enable via m64
[21:07:12] <witnit> but still works with the setp?
[21:07:37] <PCW> sure
[21:07:58] <PCW> just inverted polarity from what you expected
[21:08:01] <witnit> ahh
[21:09:03] <witnit> https://gist.github.com/anonymous/11156621 like this micges?
[21:09:21] <Deejay> gn8
[21:09:24] <PCW> so for opto22 outputs set the is-output, is-opendrain, and invert-output atrributes
[21:09:24] <witnit> moin
[21:09:47] <micges> witnit: si
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[21:09:58] <witnit> well its set at is-opendrain 1
[21:10:05] <witnit> I thought that was all was needed
[21:10:36] <witnit> I also need to setp invert-output true, THEN the m64/65 should function
[21:10:54] <PCW> for outputs you always need is-output
[21:11:26] <PCW> for output pulled up to 5V you need is-opendrain
[21:11:50] <PCW> for active low outputs you need invert-output
[21:11:59] <witnit> ahh ok.
[21:12:09] <witnit> so many inversions and such
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[21:12:39] <PCW> for opto22 inputs you want to use the inverted input pins
[21:12:54] <PCW> (since they are active low as well)
[21:13:31] <PCW> (assuming you want input voltage present = true)
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[21:16:57] <witnit> ha im so hopeless
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[21:20:47] <PCW> some of us live and breath this binary stuff, easy to forget not everyone does...
[21:23:11] <witnit> yea i come from a far away land of cams, handgrinding drills, and rebuilding machines built for wwII
[21:25:41] <PCW> well you are doing pretty well for a just barely supported card and diving into subtle config issues
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[21:26:32] <PCW> bbl
[21:26:39] <witnit> great =D maybe once I get my head wrapped around the structure of all this I can make it with all the cards
[21:27:20] <PCW> all or our stuff is basically the same at the HAL level
[21:27:33] <witnit> I printed the pages and bound myself a halbook
[21:27:40] <witnit> I hope you dont update that too soon
[21:27:46] <witnit> hardback hal
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[21:36:24] <witnit>
[21:36:30] <witnit>
[21:50:54] <humble_sea_bass> that's straight gangster
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[21:56:39] <witnit> thanks Ive been know to have very gangster like attributes regarding my work
[21:56:56] <witnit> =D
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[22:12:09] <zeeshan> anyone here tried to lap carbide anvil faces before?
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[22:13:36] <witnit> thats a new one to me
[22:14:04] <zeeshan> one of the micrometers i got has a tiny chip on the anvil (stationary one)
[22:14:15] <zeeshan> a local place wants 60$ to fix it
[22:14:16] <zeeshan> ;/
[22:14:26] <Guest20800> is it just a cosmetic issue?
[22:14:31] <zeeshan> yes
[22:14:33] <zeeshan> only cosmetic
[22:14:35] <Guest20800> meh
[22:14:41] <zeeshan> the face isnt raised or anything
[22:14:42] <zeeshan> :P
[22:14:54] <witnit> sounds like a waste of time :P
[22:14:55] <zeeshan> i used an optical flat to check.
[22:15:01] <zeeshan> it bothers me :{
[22:15:05] <witnit> you ocd
[22:15:24] <Guest20800> zeeshan: what's the value of the micrometer?
[22:15:24] <zeeshan> haha
[22:15:38] <Guest20800> and how do you chip the surface... you are not meant to use them as clamps
[22:15:41] <witnit> sounds like standard $100 mics to me
[22:15:49] <zeeshan> its not new.
[22:15:51] <zeeshan> it came like that
[22:16:22] <witnit> ha someone probably clink another carbide tool agaisnt or they were dropped/had something dropped on them
[22:16:31] <zeeshan> its such a tiny chip
[22:16:32] <zeeshan> =/
[22:16:41] <zeeshan> looks only like 10 thou deep
[22:16:43] <Guest20800> ITS IRRELEVANT CHIP
[22:16:56] <witnit> nods
[22:17:02] <zeeshan> new the micrometer is 279+ tax
[22:17:42] <witnit> the anvil could be done on a diamond wheel of on surface grinder maybe
[22:17:47] <_methods> you can get them resurfaced
[22:17:58] <Guest20800> new...
[22:17:59] <witnit> but again hardly worth jigging it imo
[22:18:00] <_methods> most cal labs will do repairs also
[22:18:04] <Guest20800> you said it's not new, how much did you pay for it
[22:18:16] <zeeshan> it was a packaged deal
[22:18:19] <zeeshan> how many times do i have to say that
[22:18:24] <Guest20800> you have OCD
[22:18:28] <witnit> yep
[22:18:40] <zeeshan> cool story
[22:19:06] <Guest20800> zeeshan : here, clean, derust and oil these clamps http://gushh.net/tmp/p21-04-14_16.31f.jpg pronto.
[22:19:28] <witnit> once a ytear
[22:19:29] <zeeshan> sorry i don't keep my tools in dog shit condition
[22:19:30] <zeeshan> like those
[22:19:32] <zeeshan> :)
[22:19:33] <witnit> hahahah
[22:19:40] <Guest20800> zeeshan: it was a packaged deal
[22:19:44] <witnit> LOL
[22:19:46] <XXCoder> I went to home depot. got some ideas what I can do. I saw very nice steel solid rods I can use as rails, and square steel hollow square tubes that can fit in it
[22:19:49] <Guest20800> you prick.
[22:20:12] <witnit> you guys got me laughing
[22:20:13] <witnit> thanks
[22:20:16] <zeeshan> :D
[22:20:16] <Guest20800> zeeshan: you also can't see past grease, dust and surface rust... it means you do have OCD.
[22:20:18] <XXCoder> its very slightly loose I'd say 0.1mm loose but with 2 rods I can counter that
[22:20:30] <zeeshan> Guest20800: i'm glad you're not a doctor
[22:20:34] <zeeshan> you'd be the death of many.
[22:20:34] <Guest20800> home depot
[22:20:41] <witnit> oh jjjeessh
[22:20:49] <Guest20800> zeeshan: I just bought those for dirt cheap you idiot
[22:20:59] <zeeshan> whos this character
[22:21:00] <Guest20800> quit using your mics for clamps I said.
[22:21:01] <zeeshan> calling me names
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[22:21:11] <zeeshan> i told you, i bought them used
[22:21:16] <zeeshan> one came with a chip
[22:21:17] <XXCoder> 2 rods per side that is
[22:21:20] <zeeshan> what do you not understand about that
[22:21:26] <zeeshan> are you mentally retarded
[22:21:27] <Guest20800> zeeshan: throw that shit away
[22:21:34] <zeeshan> no.
[22:21:38] <zeeshan> i'm gonna try to lap it
[22:21:43] <zeeshan> which was my original question
[22:21:49] <zeeshan> they can make a spare micrometer
[22:22:00] <witnit> I was taking rust off my machines parts using electralisis
[22:22:05] <witnit> WORKS GREAT
[22:22:10] <Guest20800> witnit: works fine
[22:22:22] <witnit> never knew it you could do that until someone mentioned it in here a few days ago
[22:22:30] <witnit> sooo easy and fast
[22:22:31] <Guest20800> I did
[22:22:35] <witnit> that was you?
[22:22:35] <witnit> \
[22:22:36] <zeeshan> mrpete does that online in his youtube videos
[22:22:37] <zeeshan> :P
[22:22:41] <witnit> well thanks =D
[22:22:42] <zeeshan> ultrasonic works better
[22:22:43] <Guest20800> mrpete...
[22:22:48] <Guest20800> it doesn't.
[22:23:01] <witnit> I dunno zeesh, there was 0 rust
[22:23:13] <witnit> possibly would pit if left too long
[22:23:20] <zeeshan> hehe
[22:23:21] <witnit> well it WOULD pit if left too long
[22:23:25] <Guest20800> zeeshan: go ruin the micrometer already
[22:23:31] <Guest20800> witnit: no
[22:23:34] <Guest20800> it won't.
[22:23:44] <witnit> well it takes away metal when you do that
[22:23:50] <Guest20800> the exchange stops once there's no more rust to convert.
[22:23:57] <witnit> should see the metal on my HHO machine
[22:23:58] <Guest20800> the metal was already gone
[22:24:20] <witnit> nah it takes way metal hahaha it was even pitting 316ss
[22:24:26] <witnit> or... 303 maybe not sure
[22:24:33] <witnit> one of them was breaking down
[22:24:36] <Guest20800> you were doing it wrong then
[22:24:39] <Guest20800> inverted polarity.
[22:24:42] <witnit> ohh
[22:24:42] <zeeshan> Guest20800: knows it all
[22:24:45] <Guest20800> only your sacrificial should lose metal.
[22:24:50] <Guest20800> zeeshan: go ruin the micrometer.
[22:24:51] <witnit> thats right
[22:25:01] <witnit> it was only one of the poles which wiped out
[22:25:04] <Guest20800> zeeshan: here's an angle grinder you can use
[22:25:07] <_methods> you mean gush knows it all
[22:25:07] <witnit> the other pole was fine
[22:25:19] <Guest20800> witnit: your work piece should be the cathode always
[22:25:21] <_methods> gush back to trollin on alt
[22:25:25] <Guest20800> the sacrifical anodes are the positive.
[22:25:31] <witnit> ahh
[22:25:32] <witnit> okie
[22:25:49] <zeeshan> anyway, anyone lap carbide anvil faces before? :D
[22:25:56] <Guest20800> _methods: go play with yourself.
[22:25:57] <XXCoder> heh wanted to ask couple questions but others too busy showing epeen, method
[22:25:57] <zeeshan> any links to the process?
[22:26:05] <_methods> ah now i know you're gush
[22:26:14] <_methods> thx for the confirm
[22:26:18] <XXCoder> really? I knew from his custom domain
[22:26:18] <Guest20800> _methods: I'm ident as such
[22:26:25] <Guest20800> _methods: again, go play with yourself.
[22:26:35] <zeeshan> gush sounds like a tard
[22:26:40] <zeeshan> no social skills
[22:26:43] <_methods> he's shaun
[22:26:44] <Guest20800> zeeshan: says the guy trying to lap a chinese micrometer
[22:26:49] <_methods> they are one and the same
[22:26:52] <zeeshan> its a mitutoyo micrometer
[22:26:52] <Guest20800> I'm not shaun you little prick
[22:26:57] <zeeshan> i like how you assume so much
[22:26:58] <witnit> lol
[22:26:59] <zeeshan> you're so retarded
[22:27:00] <zeeshan> lol
[22:27:02] <Guest20800> zeeshan: a chinktutoyo for all you know.
[22:27:12] <Guest20800> zeeshan: how old are you, seven? do your parents know you're using their laptop?
[22:27:26] <Guest20800> armchair machinist, go play with your toy machines.
[22:27:34] <Guest20800> ignored.
[22:27:36] <zeeshan> lol i'm not even a machinist
[22:27:44] <zeeshan> this guy is making lol
[22:27:47] <_methods> neither is gush
[22:27:48] <zeeshan> serious issues
[22:27:58] <zeeshan> damn the internet has some serious characters
[22:27:58] <Guest20800> _methods: clearly you aren't.
[22:27:59] <_methods> he's a janitor
[22:28:05] <_methods> i looked him up
[22:28:08] <Guest20800> _methods: projecting again are we
[22:28:13] <_methods> he cleans the toilet at a jail in argentina
[22:28:13] <zeeshan> _methods: seriously?
[22:28:18] <zeeshan> rofl
[22:28:23] <Guest20800> _methods: you are actually retarded.
[22:28:27] <zeeshan> explains why he's so bitter
[22:28:32] <_methods> yep
[22:28:39] <Guest20800> I've never read so many shit in my entire life kid.
[22:29:05] <Guest20800> Another one for the ignore list, such lowlife scums on freenode lately.
[22:29:07] <zeeshan> gush is the type of person who basically goes crazy
[22:29:11] <zeeshan> and goes to a mall and shoots everyone
[22:29:50] <zeeshan> i bet archivist knows how to lap carbide faces
[22:30:45] <_methods> i always just put mine in with our stuff when it goes our for cal
[22:30:57] <_methods> i've never tried to resurface a mic
[22:30:59] <zeeshan> i think 60$ might be worth it
[22:31:00] <zeeshan> to fix
[22:31:08] <_methods> it is they'll make them like new
[22:31:14] <zeeshan> cause i know the face has to be perpendicular to the thimble axis
[22:31:17] <_methods> they break the mic down completely
[22:31:30] <_methods> and they'll make it like new
[22:31:30] <zeeshan> if it was just a 0-1 mic
[22:31:31] <zeeshan> i'd scrap it
[22:31:34] <zeeshan> but its 11-12"
[22:32:02] <witnit> yeah but, how big is this chip could it even allow you to misread them?
[22:32:16] <witnit> haha I never ever used a 11-12 in my life
[22:32:22] <zeeshan> honestly its 0.010" wide
[22:32:23] <witnit> wth are you building?
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[22:32:29] <zeeshan> and 0.010" deep
[22:32:35] <zeeshan> right at the edge
[22:32:44] <zeeshan> optical flat shows it's flat
[22:32:53] <zeeshan> so there is no raised up edge
[22:33:06] <witnit> :/ yeahhh imo, not worth fixxing unless you used them more than 5 times daily
[22:33:14] <zeeshan> yea i dont use it often at all
[22:33:25] <zeeshan> i'm using it to measure the outside of a turbine housing
[22:33:45] <witnit> coming from someone who never used them ever before, I wouldnt even consider my time/money involved in it
[22:33:51] <zeeshan> the outside recess is press fit into a flange face
[22:33:53] <zeeshan> to keep it concentric
[22:33:57] <zeeshan> to the flange
[22:34:02] <witnit> its a round part?!
[22:34:05] <zeeshan> yes
[22:34:16] <witnit> you should not be even using the edge of mics on a round part
[22:34:25] <witnit> impossible to get a bad reading
[22:34:49] <zeeshan> good point :]
[22:35:01] <zeeshan> witnit: who is this gush guy
[22:35:04] <zeeshan> why is he so mad
[22:35:18] <witnit> his problems are probably much bigger than yours
[22:35:28] <witnit> :P
[22:35:48] <zeeshan> usually people who get mad like that really have some deep issues in the brain
[22:35:55] <Guest20800> witnit: I guarantee my problems are smaller than that guy's, his are genetic.
[22:35:58] <zeeshan> my sisters a doc
[22:36:16] <zeeshan> in luton, uk
[22:36:22] <witnit> mannn I was setting up a this threading job I got 99 problems but a pitch aint one
[22:36:32] <zeeshan> lol
[22:37:03] <CaptHindsight> #psycho_therapy
[22:37:25] <zeeshan> im so close to done organizing the shop
[22:37:27] <Guest20800> you must be the resident lab rat in that channel.
[22:37:30] <zeeshan> so i can finally work on some big projects :D
[22:37:57] <witnit> welp, imma go plant in my garden awhile.. =D
[22:38:26] <CaptHindsight> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3VRiTUyQiQk&feature=kp
[22:38:50] <zeeshan> rofl CaptHindsight that reminds me of Gush
[22:39:15] <XXCoder> love it when channel turns into drama show. :P
[22:39:40] <_methods> those 2 been trollin the channel for the last 2 weeks
[22:39:43] <_methods> goin on 3 now
[22:40:06] <zeeshan> ruins the channel in my opinion
[22:40:14] <_methods> ^^
[22:40:19] <CaptHindsight> did #reprap do some sort of purge?
[22:40:35] <zeeshan> is he a reprap idiot?
[22:40:40] <_methods> oh yeah
[22:40:43] <zeeshan> that explains it all
[22:40:44] <zeeshan> HAHAHAAa
[22:40:48] <_methods> he is THE reprap idiot
[22:41:01] <zeeshan> god, 3d printing tards drive me insane
[22:41:15] <_methods> ^^
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[22:41:26] <zeeshan> the best way i can describe 3d printing is like this: it's a 'trend'
[22:41:29] <_methods> simple pleasures for simple people
[22:41:31] <zeeshan> like 'reddit'
[22:41:44] <zeeshan> ever since they started printing guns in it
[22:41:49] <zeeshan> it started a cult following
[22:41:54] <CaptHindsight> it's more of a cult
[22:42:00] <zeeshan> yep
[22:42:21] <CaptHindsight> it's lead by some type A's that attack anyone for pointing that out
[22:42:24] <JT-Shop> whew
[22:43:01] <zeeshan> jt-shop doing anything interesting lately?
[22:43:07] <zeeshan> next project after log splitter? :D
[22:43:25] <JT-Shop> been working on a covered bridge
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[22:43:47] <zeeshan> you have a river on your property?
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[22:46:27] * tjb1 has 3 3d printers :(
[22:46:52] <_methods> me too and they are fun toyrs
[22:46:52] <XXCoder> heh I want 3d printer for hell of it
[22:46:58] <tjb1> who has been trolling channel?
[22:46:59] <_methods> you can make one in a day
[22:46:59] <MrHindsight> it's really just reprap and the crazies
[22:47:02] <XXCoder> but its not magic
[22:47:10] <XXCoder> print a freakin car lol
[22:47:15] <MrHindsight> FFF/FDM
[22:47:31] <JT-Shop> zeeshan, http://www.gnipsel.com/images/Eagle%20Sky/
[22:47:36] <_methods> compared to cnc it's like preschool
[22:47:44] <tjb1> Who has been trolling?
[22:47:45] <MrHindsight> it's just one type of additive manufacturing
[22:47:48] <zeeshan> holy cow
[22:47:49] <zeeshan> thats beautiful
[22:47:53] <_methods> that tard shaun and gush
[22:48:03] <tjb1> no one likes shaun in reprap
[22:48:09] <_methods> same shiot they do in reprap
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[22:48:26] <JT-Shop> it's a pretty unique bridge for sure
[22:48:28] <XXCoder> I bet ya if theres every cheap method to print metal everyone'd all over that shit
[22:48:30] <XXCoder> like flies
[22:49:12] <brentru> uh
[22:49:13] <brentru> http://www.metalclaysupply.com/
[22:49:29] <brentru> http://www.thingiverse.com/thing:20733
[22:49:36] <brentru> and a kiln
[22:49:47] <tjb1> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aUX_Hm01KMc
[22:50:04] <MrHindsight> http://www.3ders.org/articles/20140415-ecn-uses-new-dlp-technology-for-3d-printing-metals.html
[22:50:13] <XXCoder> basic starter kit $173
[22:50:20] <MattyMatt> mig welder on a 3 axis is cheapish, it's the quality of the result that's questionable
[22:50:30] <tjb1> MattyMatt: watch youtube video
[22:50:36] <tjb1> :)
[22:50:37] <zeeshan> tjb1: hit it with a hammer!
[22:50:39] <XXCoder> hrhind yeah thats still hella expensive
[22:51:09] <brentru> got my misumi stuff today tjb1
[22:51:37] <_methods> what is this some sort of reptard invasion?
[22:51:48] <MattyMatt> tjb mig without the g will probably be most economical on the moon
[22:51:55] <tjb1> I've been here for over a year _methods
[22:51:56] <zeeshan> _methods: haha
[22:52:03] <_methods> jeebus
[22:52:10] <_methods> bad enough they got shaun and gush in here
[22:52:17] <tjb1> JT-Shop can vouch for that :P
[22:52:19] <brentru> you guys know shaun?
[22:52:24] <zeeshan> i can vouce for tjb1
[22:52:27] <zeeshan> vouch
[22:52:55] <tjb1> I'm just linux-illiterate so I don't do much with it
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[22:54:17] <MrHindsight> jewelers make millions of metal pieces by lost wax casting using a high wax content photopolymer and either laser of DLP for curing
[22:54:30] <MattyMatt> zeeshan I remember a guy once lapping his mic with crocus paper
[22:54:35] <zeeshan> im pretty sure my dad uses DLP
[22:54:39] <zeeshan> for dental stuff too
[22:54:43] <zeeshan> for curing filings
[22:55:33] <zeeshan> MattyMatt: i think the main problem for me will be trying to keep the face perendicular to the thimble axis
[22:55:39] <shaun414> what brentru
[22:55:43] <shaun414> why is he here?
[22:55:48] <tjb1> Hmm
[22:55:56] <tjb1> New account not ignored, time to fix that
[22:59:02] <zeeshan> damn it i need to wear gloves when using liquid wrench
[22:59:15] <zeeshan> the smell doesnt go away no matter how many times you wash your hands
[22:59:27] <MrHindsight> FDM/FFF isn't completely useless http://www.3ders.org/articles/20140410-3d-printed-ninjaflex-spikes-over-led-pixels.html
[22:59:52] <shaun414> lol
[23:00:20] <zeeshan> what the heck is that
[23:00:25] <zeeshan> a euoplocephalus?
[23:00:53] <XXCoder> lol
[23:01:13] <XXCoder> awesome, but doubt will wear it
[23:01:22] <XXCoder> try use it though airplane area
[23:01:26] <tjb1> https://www.dropbox.com/s/pt093m21n16x82p/2014-04-15%2023.19.35.jpg
[23:01:27] <XXCoder> there'd be BOMB!!!
[23:01:49] <_methods> oh i went to thingiverse and downloaded a dildo and printed it.......I KNOW HOW TO CNC
[23:02:27] <_methods> they all print vases............i guess all the 3d printer peoples boyfriends like flowers
[23:02:31] <zeeshan> _methods: haha
[23:02:37] * JT-Shop calls it a day... being high on the job all day is tiring
[23:02:45] <MrHindsight> just about any thermoplastic used in FDM may be printed with an equivalent photopolymer 10-100x faster using DLP or LCD
[23:03:02] <XXCoder> vase thats nice use, make some real weird vise. I dont use vases though.
[23:03:13] <zeeshan> if i had a 3d printer
[23:03:18] <zeeshan> i'd be building enclosures :D
[23:03:25] <zeeshan> and fan blades
[23:03:28] <_methods> no you wouldn't
[23:03:31] <XXCoder> MrHindsight: theres printers thats modified to use same plastic as those soda bottles and such
[23:03:32] <_methods> i have 3 of them
[23:03:37] <zeeshan> give me one
[23:03:38] <shaun414> youd be printing dildos
[23:03:40] <XXCoder> its awesome, we get those all time
[23:03:43] <_methods> and i make my endlosures some other way
[23:03:47] <_methods> they are too slow
[23:04:01] <JT-Shop> Jymmm, how is you ban someone again?
[23:04:04] <_methods> i can hack together a sheetmetal or wood enclosure way faster
[23:04:17] <zeeshan> but you can make an enclosure within an enclosure within an enclosure within an enclosure within an enclosure within an enclosure
[23:04:21] <tjb1> _methods: https://www.dropbox.com/s/h7w7ebbm772a1ij/2013-11-08%2016.27.32.jpg
[23:04:24] <zeeshan> with 3d printing!
[23:04:26] <XXCoder> and other that uses same plasic as milk ggallon jugs
[23:04:30] <XXCoder> lots plasic free
[23:04:41] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: who?
[23:04:43] <zeeshan> i see a cat 40 holder!
[23:05:34] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: /mode +b nick!*@*
[23:05:48] <XXCoder> I usually use ip
[23:05:52] <XXCoder> more firm ban
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[23:07:20] <zeeshan> dont ban me ;[
[23:07:22] <tjb1> https://www.dropbox.com/s/1n3wo49sqrsbz0w/gripper75.png
[23:07:42] <XXCoder> looks like gripper of some jkind?
[23:07:44] <zeeshan> cat40 gripper
[23:07:46] <zeeshan> intersting
[23:08:08] <zeeshan> tjb1: do me a favour and click visual style
[23:08:13] <zeeshan> and "show edges"
[23:08:17] <zeeshan> that flat video drives me insane
[23:08:22] <zeeshan> *view not video
[23:08:30] <tjb1> zeeshan: I dont know if I have file here
[23:08:53] <zeeshan> i like how you name all your constraints :D
[23:09:10] <tjb1> Name them?
[23:09:15] <zeeshan> nm
[23:09:18] <zeeshan> thats the part name
[23:09:19] <zeeshan> haha
[23:09:43] * zeeshan hides from embarassing comment
[23:09:48] <MrHindsight> XXCoder: looks like old soda bottles and people http://www.3ders.org/images/lyman-filament-extruder-kickstarter-3.png
[23:10:02] <XXCoder> lol
[23:10:07] <zeeshan> soda bottles look like a comfortable mattress
[23:10:08] <JT-Shop> say goodnight Gracie
[23:10:08] <zeeshan> gotta try
[23:10:12] <MrHindsight> fleshtruder, humastruder
[23:10:42] <Jymmm> shaun414:
[23:10:46] <shaun414> Jymmm,
[23:11:22] <shaun414> ?
[23:11:42] <tjb1> zeeshan: https://db.tt/1boF6E1y
[23:12:00] <zeeshan> now i can see
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[23:12:05] <Jymmm> shaun414: No more chances, no arguments, no discussions. You are gone on the next anything out of you.
[23:12:14] <shaun414> heh?
[23:12:14] <Jymmm> zeeshan: you too if you comment
[23:12:17] <shaun414> anything?
[23:12:24] <zeeshan> whatd i do
[23:12:39] <shaun414> what?
[23:12:59] <zeeshan> thats a long ass schs in the middle of that assembly
[23:13:00] <tjb1> https://db.tt/1boF6E1y
[23:13:08] <zeeshan> shcs
[23:13:09] <tjb1> not a shcs
[23:13:23] <tjb1> https://db.tt/cjv6gRss
[23:13:25] <zeeshan> im trying to figure out how the gripper opens and closes
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[23:14:16] <tjb1> https://db.tt/toWGBxPz
[23:15:14] <zeeshan> i'lll come back in a month when things have calmed down here
[23:15:16] <zeeshan> cu guys then!
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[23:36:46] <humble_sea_bass> XXCoder: you gave up on getting the 8020 stuff from seattle?
[23:37:03] <XXCoder> for now. it'll be part of upgrade
[23:37:19] <XXCoder> I'm considering using steel rods from home depot to make rails
[23:37:28] <XXCoder> it should be strong enough for wood
[23:37:36] <humble_sea_bass> I saw you say, that's why i was asking
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[23:38:54] <XXCoder> I has couple problems though, I found square tube that fits that rod pretty tighhtly but I am unsure how to attach square tube to gantry
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[23:39:07] <XXCoder> also how to really secure those rods on frame
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[23:41:02] <XXCoder> or maybe fuk it wait till I got enough money. since I start fulltime next week I will have enough money maybe
[23:41:33] <_methods> man for what you pay at lowes or home depot you're better off just getting some SBR on ebay
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[23:42:52] <XXCoder> 10 rods * $6 + 2 square tube * $5 = $65
[23:43:05] <XXCoder> shipping hurts on ebay
[23:44:02] <_methods> this is true
[23:44:09] <_methods> there's always amazon prime
[23:44:12] <_methods> free shipping
[23:44:27] <XXCoder> hmm since shipping is nuts that might be worth it
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[23:44:40] <XXCoder> it applies to all items not just their own?
[23:44:42] <_methods> yeah my buddy does it
[23:44:46] <_methods> yeah all items
[23:44:54] <_methods> that's why they raised the price of prime i think
[23:45:04] <_methods> he was rapin the shit out of them on rail and 80/20
[23:45:06] <XXCoder> not bad. I would start it right before I buy sbr stuff
[23:45:19] <_methods> prices are almost the same as ebay
[23:45:35] <XXCoder> think my bro got prime
[23:45:44] <XXCoder> so I dont think I even have to do anything
[23:45:53] <_methods> ah yeah
[23:45:54] <XXCoder> well besides pay him for items
[23:46:02] <_methods> rape IT UP
[23:46:28] <_methods> you'll be much happier with some SBR
[23:46:41] <XXCoder> I guessed that yes
[23:46:55] <XXCoder> just will take a bit to save up for sbr and ball screws for em
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[23:48:08] <humble_sea_bass> http://imgur.com/gallery/ZG3r5
[23:48:14] <humble_sea_bass> tag that #reprap
[23:48:59] <XXCoder> lol yeah
[23:49:06] <XXCoder> those invent really weird problems
[23:49:21] <humble_sea_bass> the 2nd half of that gallery is even better
[23:49:40] <humble_sea_bass> "Tired of cutting bread with your doorstop?"
[23:49:42] <XXCoder> yeah ruler thing lol
[23:49:45] <XXCoder> ruler thing rules
[23:50:06] <XXCoder> how the hell he drive to store to buy that ruler
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[23:52:00] <XXCoder> I had link that has all that and LOT more
[23:53:20] <XXCoder> https://imgur.com/a/36e4V/all
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[23:55:33] <XXCoder> some is modified. hella funny