#linuxcnc | Logs for 2014-04-20

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[01:26:18] <shaun413> Hi
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[02:30:45] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: jthornton_ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uUcEGOLfUTE
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[02:36:20] <shaun413> can get hf lathe for 389...
[02:36:25] <shaun413> on sale tommorow
[02:36:28] <shaun413> decent deal or no?
[02:36:44] <moorbo> get the 599$ one
[02:36:47] <moorbo> regular 699
[02:36:54] <shaun413> hmm?
[02:37:00] <moorbo> 7x12
[02:37:01] <moorbo> iirc
[02:37:08] <shaun413> yeah
[02:37:15] <shaun413> ive been told it makes a nice doortstop
[02:37:31] <moorbo> and the 389 one doesn't?
[02:37:43] <XXCoder> 389 hell thats cheap
[02:37:47] <XXCoder> good sarter
[02:37:49] <XXCoder> starter
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[02:37:53] <shaun413> 450
[02:37:55] <shaun413> actually
[02:38:03] <shaun413> for 7x12
[02:38:05] <XXCoder> you can get whole lotta tools after that if you could buy below $1k
[02:38:13] <shaun413> :/
[02:38:35] <XXCoder> isnt it normally like $800
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[02:43:32] <zeeshan> jdh: you here?
[02:44:17] <shaun413> XXCoder, normally 700
[02:44:34] <XXCoder> ok
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[02:51:16] <shaun413> XXCoder, is it a good deal?
[02:51:24] <XXCoder> sounds like it
[02:51:49] * shaun413 looks for 450 dollars
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[03:04:09] <PetefromTn_Andro> Well it's been kind of a shitty night here...
[03:04:24] <zeeshan> whats wrong
[03:04:24] <witnit> awwe
[03:04:29] <witnit> whats up man?
[03:05:08] <PetefromTn_Andro> My wife somehow sliced her pinky with a vegetable slicer gift my daughter gave her and we had to take her to the ER.
[03:05:20] <zeeshan> fak
[03:05:38] <PetefromTn_Andro> You can say that again.
[03:05:55] <witnit> fak
[03:06:00] <shaun413> witnit,
[03:06:04] <shaun413> HF lathe is on sale
[03:06:05] <shaun413> for 450
[03:06:15] <witnit> expensive door stop
[03:06:26] <shaun413> :/
[03:06:29] <witnit> is that about 50% off?
[03:06:41] <PetefromTn_Andro> They got it to stop bleeding but it removed part of her meaty part of her fingertip pretty damn good.
[03:06:45] <shaun413> witnit, 25
[03:06:57] <witnit> whats 75% of nothin
[03:07:36] <pcw_home> Yow that sucks PetefromTn_Andro :-(
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[03:08:10] <shaun413> witnit, anything better for that price...
[03:08:31] <PetefromTn_Andro> Yeah man we were all cooking dinner and next thing we are in the ER for a couple hours...just got back from eating some fast food after we got out.
[03:08:42] <witnit> awwe
[03:08:52] <zeeshan> what fast food? :D
[03:09:01] <zeeshan> (sorry i havent had fast food in 8 months)
[03:09:04] <zeeshan> CRAVING
[03:09:17] <witnit> Im glad it not extremely serious, I was worried you might have got hung up in a lathe or somthing
[03:09:22] <PetefromTn_Andro> Just some sonic
[03:10:04] <shaun413> witnit, not worth buying?
[03:10:30] <PetefromTn_Andro> Noah it is not serious at all just sucks. I have messed up enough fingers over the years to know what she means when she cries that it is throbbing.
[03:10:50] <witnit> Thank you pcw_home and micges this occured today..Boot sector OK
[03:10:51] <witnit> Verifying EEPROM sectors starting from 0x80000...
[03:10:51] <witnit> Board configuration verified successfully
[03:11:01] <zeeshan> PetefromTn_Andro: they didnt give her pain killers?
[03:11:04] <zeeshan> tynelol 3?
[03:11:28] <PetefromTn_Andro> Naah just stopped the bleeding and covered it up.
[03:12:08] <witnit> Shes going to bump it on everything 12 times a day...guaranteed
[03:12:10] <PetefromTn_Andro> Did you ever get your indicator holder?
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[03:13:09] <PetefromTn_Andro> Yeah worst part is she is a nurse so she is constantly using her hands so we picked up some of those finger condoms or whatever they are called to protect her
[03:13:26] <shaun413> witnit, .
[03:13:38] <zeeshan> PetefromTn_Andro: nope
[03:13:42] <witnit> oh, shaun you know that 75% of nothin is nothin :)
[03:13:48] <PetefromTn_Andro> Seriously damn.
[03:13:55] <shaun413> witnit, how is it nothing
[03:14:00] <zeeshan> i did buy a noga indicator base from ebay
[03:14:01] <shaun413> what exactly is bad about it?
[03:14:02] <zeeshan> for 60$
[03:14:09] <zeeshan> i bet itll show up before the shars stuff does
[03:14:19] <PetefromTn_Andro> Shaun good lord man buy a freaking lathe or stop talking about it jeez...
[03:14:24] <zeeshan> PetefromTn_Andro:
[03:14:25] <zeeshan> ROFL
[03:14:25] <witnit> yeah commit dood
[03:14:32] <witnit> women hate a man that cant commit
[03:14:33] <zeeshan> i've been asking Jymmm to ban him for a while now
[03:14:36] <witnit> you wanna be that guy
[03:14:39] <shaun413> I want to buy the right lathe...
[03:14:42] <zeeshan> this guy is just trolling everyone
[03:14:44] * Valen got a ceramic knife for mother in law, it had a plastic cover for the blade, she opened it with her thumb over the opening, dad and I both saw her and shouted noooo but it was too late
[03:14:48] <moorbo> witnit: I know a hate a man who can't commit
[03:14:51] <Valen> sliced her thumb open real good
[03:14:53] <Valen> :-<
[03:15:07] <XXCoder> shaun413: remember that video I linked to a while ago
[03:15:15] <shaun413> which?
[03:15:20] <XXCoder> one that has magnet roving all over and couldnt stop
[03:15:20] <moorbo> I don't like the ceramic knives
[03:15:21] <witnit> then do your own research in a more effective way, you can't pound us with the same question
[03:15:25] <XXCoder> You have to decide
[03:15:26] <moorbo> they break too easily.
[03:15:27] <zeeshan> moorbo: why
[03:15:29] <zeeshan> oh
[03:15:35] <moorbo> I bought a set
[03:15:36] <zeeshan> theyre so cool looking though
[03:15:37] <moorbo> one is fucked
[03:15:38] <Valen> wth are you doing to break them lol?
[03:15:44] <PetefromTn_Andro> MN
[03:15:46] <shaun413> i know I have to decide
[03:15:50] <moorbo> Valen: I have a bad habit of dropping things
[03:15:53] <PetefromTn_Andro> Man that sucks.
[03:15:54] <XXCoder> well its not something we can helo
[03:16:01] <shaun413> i can only really afford or have room for a hf type lathe
[03:16:06] <shaun413> but im told its a pile o crap
[03:16:09] <witnit> then buy it
[03:16:12] <XXCoder> well its returnable
[03:16:12] <moorbo> so find something else.
[03:16:13] <witnit> and find out for yourself
[03:16:23] <witnit> atleast you will know the value of our opinions then
[03:16:27] <XXCoder> online you cannot return
[03:16:28] <zeeshan> any of you experts in telescoping way covers?
[03:16:36] <shaun413> :/
[03:17:01] <tjtr33> i hate to join in, but this is a revered old name in tiny lathes, http://compare.ebay.com/like/171302773322
[03:18:02] <shaun413> really tiny
[03:18:08] <PetefromTn_Andro> Machined some more on these scope rails today.
[03:18:35] <moorbo> tjtr33: those unimats are nice
[03:18:39] <moorbo> I'd used one before
[03:18:45] <PetefromTn_Andro> I am starting to get annoyed with my low Buck CNC vise.
[03:18:48] * shaun413 is so lost
[03:19:00] <XXCoder> wow tiny. specifically for watches
[03:19:14] <witnit> atleast the unimat is accurate with good slides
[03:19:40] <witnit> I wouldnt expect the harbor freight to come with straight slides
[03:19:50] <witnit> or ground for that matter
[03:19:52] <moorbo> i'd like to buy a unimat ml
[03:19:54] <shaun413> idk what those are...
[03:19:57] <moorbo> one of those modular things
[03:20:21] <moorbo> shaun413: click tjtr33s link
[03:20:27] <shaun413> I did
[03:20:31] <moorbo> thats a unimat
[03:20:39] <shaun413> I know
[03:20:42] <moorbo> so...
[03:20:45] <moorbo> what don't you know
[03:20:51] <shaun413> straight slide
[03:21:01] <moorbo> a slide
[03:21:03] <moorbo> that is straight..
[03:21:05] <moorbo> in a line
[03:21:05] <shaun413> wow
[03:21:07] <moorbo> not crooked
[03:21:25] <shaun413> http://www.harborfreight.com/7-inch-x-12-inch-precision-mini-lathe-93799.html
[03:21:44] <humble_sea_bass> wow, hi
[03:21:44] <humble_sea_bass> hi
[03:21:44] <moorbo> shaun413: yes
[03:21:46] <tjtr33> best of luck
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[03:21:58] <humble_sea_bass> :/ wow hi :/
[03:22:00] <shaun413> hi :/
[03:22:15] <PetefromTn_Andro> LOL
[03:22:28] <witnit> one thing you nice about the harbor freight machines is you probably will learn how to scrape machine ways, adjust gibs, turn chuck jaws and realign a tailstock, as soon as pull it out of the box
[03:22:50] <shaun413> :/
[03:22:57] <moorbo> heh
[03:23:05] <moorbo> all valuable
[03:23:08] <moorbo> in learning macines
[03:23:10] <moorbo> machines*
[03:23:11] <moorbo> and metal work
[03:23:13] <witnit> maybe he does need a shitty machine
[03:23:20] <moorbo> shaun413: how are you going to be a good engineer
[03:23:30] <moorbo> if you don;t know the shitty machines the guys who make your parts are using
[03:23:32] <witnit> then he will learn how to fix it and what to look for in buying a real lathe
[03:24:03] <shaun413> I dont want to waste money
[03:24:11] <moorbo> then spend money
[03:24:21] <shaun413> Dont have any
[03:24:22] <shaun413> :p
[03:24:26] <moorbo> yeah
[03:24:30] <moorbo> get a job probably..
[03:24:33] <moorbo> I hear they pay well
[03:24:34] <humble_sea_bass> no no you don't undertand, when he buys a lathe, his knowledge will be full born like Athena from Zeus' head, and he will have no time to deal with trifles-- he will spin parts, and money will rain like mana from heaven
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[03:24:46] <moorbo> Hahhahaha
[03:24:49] <moorbo> Hahahhahaahh
[03:24:53] <witnit> yes humble I can see it now
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[03:26:26] <moorbo> witnit: I've been looking around at some 6040s on ebay
[03:26:32] <moorbo> there are some deals for like 1200$
[03:26:39] <shaun413> :/
[03:26:57] <humble_sea_bass> :/ wow hi :/
[03:27:10] <shaun413> :/ wo
[03:27:11] <shaun413> w
[03:27:31] <moorbo> ;/ wow hi ;/
[03:28:09] <shaun413> so DONT buy the hf"?
[03:28:21] <_methods> omg is this still going on
[03:28:22] <moorbo> shaun413: chances are
[03:28:22] <humble_sea_bass> buy it and live with it
[03:28:27] <moorbo> the hf isn't a bad machine
[03:28:32] <_methods> holee fook
[03:28:36] <shaun413> :/
[03:28:38] <moorbo> its most definitely a starter
[03:28:39] <moorbo> thats it
[03:28:43] <humble_sea_bass> shaun413: want me to do your homework this weekend?
[03:28:49] <shaun413> no thanks humble_sea_bass
[03:28:51] <shaun413> I did it
[03:28:59] <humble_sea_bass> i bet its all wrong
[03:29:06] <shaun413> no
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[03:29:23] <moorbo> humble_sea_bass: shaun413 couldn't decide if its 2 or 2^2 in the answer.
[03:29:28] <moorbo> which one to go with?
[03:29:43] <PetefromTn_Andro> Who gives a rats ass...
[03:29:45] <witnit> moorbo I would suggest placing a steel plate on top of that aluminum plate and resurfacing it and adding your own T slots, this will assure acurate slots as well as save your table from, the t nuts raising your aluminum slots. you could tap for mounting items and place jig stops anywhere
[03:29:49] <humble_sea_bass> steam tables, what numbers to choose?
[03:29:51] <humble_sea_bass> ??
[03:29:56] <humble_sea_bass> :/ wow hi :/
[03:30:17] <shaun413> thats enough now humble_sea_bass
[03:30:21] <moorbo> witnit: I'll keep that in mind, I remember you saying the aluextrusions being crap
[03:30:43] <witnit> its just common for people to opvertighten when placing a vise on the table
[03:30:52] <witnit> then you have to file down the material
[03:31:01] <humble_sea_bass> :/ ok :/
[03:31:56] <witnit> also you cant assume that running an indicator from one end of the aluminum slot to the other end and it be true, this means your quality vises will not realign as you move them around the table
[03:33:23] <witnit> also a problem with that design can be height
[03:33:29] <witnit> boring is nearly impossible
[03:33:32] <moorbo> witnit: the 6040?
[03:33:45] <_methods> yeah the 6040 has little z travel
[03:33:50] <witnit> because a 4 inch part requires a 8 inch hight to let the tool hit
[03:33:50] <moorbo> ah..
[03:34:14] <_methods> it's good for doing engraving and pcb milling
[03:34:20] <witnit> yeah
[03:34:23] <_methods> and some very simple cnc stuff
[03:34:27] <moorbo> I see most people label them as engravers
[03:34:30] <_methods> it's great for learning
[03:34:35] <moorbo> I'd rather an actual mill
[03:34:57] <moorbo> maybe I should just make one
[03:35:02] <moorbo> it'd probably cost the same
[03:35:21] <_methods> well what is your goal, how much capital do you have, how much room do you have, what is your skill level, and what kind of power do you have in your facility
[03:35:42] <witnit> I think you are going to be happier if you do.
[03:35:50] <_methods> thos are your limits
[03:36:03] <moorbo> _methods: i own a couple 3d printers I built, and I was looking for info on a 5 axis mill from the guys here the other day
[03:36:10] <moorbo> they convinced me it was a waste of money
[03:36:18] <_methods> not necessarily
[03:36:23] <moorbo> but it's basically something to do some milling with for alu, or plastic
[03:36:23] <_methods> not anymore than a 3d printer
[03:36:36] <_methods> they are all tools
[03:36:44] <_methods> you use the correct tool for the application
[03:36:50] <moorbo> and it has to be relatively small, one that I can put in my apartment
[03:37:00] <_methods> so there is a limit
[03:37:07] <_methods> has to work in an apartment
[03:37:08] <moorbo> I've ran a lathe a bit, but no milling
[03:37:12] <_methods> so that rules out 3 phase
[03:37:16] <moorbo> heh
[03:37:16] <moorbo> yes
[03:37:21] <moorbo> no 3 phas
[03:37:30] <moorbo> witnit: probably will be
[03:37:44] <_methods> also rules out anything that won't fit through a standard door
[03:37:52] <moorbo> yeah
[03:37:56] <moorbo> _methods: pocketnc.com
[03:37:59] <_methods> so you are down to desktop mills
[03:38:01] <moorbo> _methods: that was kinda nice
[03:38:03] <_methods> yeaah i've seen them
[03:38:06] <moorbo> _methods: they just want a lot of money
[03:38:12] <_methods> yeah
[03:38:14] <moorbo> but something similiar to that
[03:38:18] <moorbo> was what I was interested in
[03:38:21] <witnit> too much for 4 stepper motors and some aluminum
[03:38:42] <_methods> well from what you are saying you are looking for a bench mill/lathe
[03:38:53] <witnit> do you already have access to a milling machine?
[03:38:56] <moorbo> mill
[03:39:01] <moorbo> witnit: yes and no
[03:39:04] <witnit> so you could build your own with ease?
[03:39:04] <moorbo> witnit: basically no
[03:39:21] <witnit> well I mean you dont NEED a mill to get it done, but it sure would help.
[03:39:37] <witnit> do you have a good tap set?
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[03:39:43] <moorbo> nah ;/
[03:39:47] <witnit> hrmm
[03:39:59] <witnit> welder?
[03:40:04] <moorbo> I do have one of those
[03:40:07] <moorbo> many of those
[03:40:19] <moorbo> I usually sneak stuff into other jobs
[03:40:22] <_methods> mig tig or stick?
[03:40:25] <moorbo> that we send off, if I need something machines
[03:40:27] <moorbo> _methods: all
[03:40:29] <_methods> k
[03:40:30] <witnit> great
[03:40:33] <moorbo> and a plasma welder
[03:40:33] <shaun413> what is a 4 jaw chuck used for?
[03:40:35] <shaun413> over 3?
[03:40:42] <moorbo> ...but thats probably overkill ;p
[03:40:52] <witnit> shaun
[03:40:55] <_methods> lol
[03:40:56] <witnit> look it up yourself
[03:40:58] <shaun413> witnit,
[03:41:01] <shaun413> ok
[03:41:56] <_methods> i recommend like the 3020 or 6040 for people learning
[03:42:08] <_methods> you learn the basics of gcode and milling with it
[03:42:17] <_methods> then you can build your own after you know what you want
[03:42:25] <moorbo> yeah quite true eh
[03:42:37] <Jymmm> zeeshan: Fine, what's it worth to ya?
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[03:42:47] <witnit> hes probably right since you never were trained in them
[03:42:59] <witnit> it would help you decide what you wanted and needed
[03:43:16] <witnit> otherwise you will be building two machines
[03:43:36] <moorbo> hmm
[03:43:36] <moorbo> yeah
[03:43:42] <moorbo> Maybe I'll get a 3020
[03:43:51] <moorbo> and modify build new as I decide if I like anything
[03:43:53] <moorbo> they're pretty cheap
[03:43:55] <_methods> it's a tad more involved than 3d printing
[03:44:03] <_methods> you can't just go to thingiverse and get gcode
[03:44:09] <witnit> also you go convert it to a printer when you build your own mill I suppose
[03:44:10] <moorbo> _methods: hehe,
[03:44:24] <moorbo> _methods: I know some gcode
[03:44:28] <moorbo> and general machine design
[03:44:31] <_methods> i use my minimill for pcb cutting mostly
[03:44:36] <moorbo> but yeah, you're right
[03:44:40] <moorbo> milling is a different beast
[03:44:50] <moorbo> the 3d printer was my introduction into 'automation'
[03:44:56] <_methods> ^^
[03:44:57] <witnit> methods you solder your own boards up?
[03:44:59] <_methods> it's a good intro
[03:45:02] <_methods> yeah
[03:45:16] <witnit> I saw something on ebay you may want I didnt know if it was a good deal or not
[03:45:23] <_methods> oh yeah?
[03:45:51] * _methods is always lookin for deals
[03:46:05] <witnit> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Box-of-Misc-Terminal-Blocks-100-new-and-unused-/300986909674?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item461437c3ea
[03:46:12] <witnit> is that helpful or even worth the money?
[03:46:43] <_methods> ah
[03:46:45] <_methods> nice
[03:46:46] <witnit> you could make him an offer
[03:47:08] <_methods> it's probably not a great deal
[03:47:17] <moorbo> depends on the amps they support
[03:47:30] <moorbo> I bought like 5 screw terminals for 15$
[03:48:15] <_methods> it's pretty much a standard dealfrom what i see in that box
[03:48:44] <_methods> there's a lot of whacky terminals in there
[03:49:06] <moorbo> there is
[03:49:08] <_methods> and some of them you odn't know if the matching part is there
[03:49:18] <witnit> yeah, well, I know nothing about them ahaha I just thought it might be handy for some of you pcb guys so I added it to my watch list
[03:49:22] <_methods> those pluggable screw terminals
[03:49:34] <_methods> it could be a good deal
[03:49:39] <witnit> make him an offer
[03:49:47] <witnit> I bet hed do $22
[03:49:49] <witnit> in a flash
[03:49:53] <moorbo> yeah me too
[03:49:58] <moorbo> i'd pay 22$ for those
[03:50:02] <_methods> well i would if i didn't have tons of terminals already lol
[03:50:15] <witnit> hahaha well moorbo, you said it, go get em
[03:50:30] <moorbo> witnit: ;)
[03:56:11] <_methods> i just figure with the 6040 or 3020 you can learn the stuff for the least amount of money
[03:56:17] <_methods> learn about fixtures
[03:56:20] <_methods> end mills
[03:56:24] <_methods> drills
[03:56:28] <_methods> fixtures
[03:56:36] <_methods> did i mention fixtures
[03:56:39] <moorbo> lol
[03:56:50] <witnit> have any of you bought those LED strips before, or like the ropes? Im picking out some, but I want to make sure they are VERY bright im putting them inside clear air hose and lining the inside doors of my machines with them. I also want them to not suck, any suggestions on which brand/style
[03:56:53] <_methods> 90% of machining is how you hold stuff
[03:57:12] <_methods> you want addressable leds?
[03:57:17] <XXCoder> witnit: you could find 100ft for 10 bucks. I did
[03:57:31] <XXCoder> but address is other story, you'd have to buy strips not ropes
[03:57:38] <witnit> address?
[03:57:43] <XXCoder> addressable
[03:57:47] <witnit> like control every other one
[03:57:53] <witnit> ok lemme look up the types :P
[03:57:57] <XXCoder> yeah
[03:57:59] <_methods> control all of em lol
[03:58:12] <_methods> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r37gnXlL8W4
[03:58:35] <witnit> oh no, hahaha
[03:58:42] <witnit> just white is fine on/off
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[03:59:06] <shaun413_> Hi
[03:59:17] <witnit> learn about 4 jaw chucks yet?
[03:59:35] <shaun413_> Didn't look
[03:59:44] <shaun413_> I can't afford lathes right now
[03:59:47] <shaun413_> No point
[03:59:49] <witnit> really...
[03:59:53] <witnit> you serious
[03:59:53] <shaun413_> Yes
[04:00:05] <witnit> so three weeks of wasting everyones time?
[04:00:15] <witnit> sighhhh.......
[04:00:32] <shaun413_> I don't have the money
[04:00:35] <moorbo> that wasn't a surprise
[04:00:39] <moorbo> I know a cheap person
[04:00:47] <moorbo> cause i'm hella cheap
[04:00:48] <_methods> people were told in here over and over he is a troll
[04:00:53] <XXCoder> indeed
[04:00:55] <shaun413_> I'm not a troll
[04:00:58] <XXCoder> "awesome"
[04:01:00] <_methods> you are a troll
[04:01:04] <shaun413_> No
[04:01:06] <XXCoder> hes hella "awesome" person
[04:01:12] <humble_sea_bass> trol
[04:01:16] <shaun413_> Not having money is not being a troll
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[04:01:41] <humble_sea_bass> sucking at life is a troll
[04:01:46] <shaun413_> Ok
[04:01:48] <moorbo> lol
[04:01:58] <moorbo> shaun413_: how do you have no money
[04:02:05] <shaun413_> How?
[04:02:11] <shaun413_> I'm a student
[04:02:13] <moorbo> so
[04:02:14] <moorbo> get ajob
[04:02:18] <shaun413_> No time
[04:02:29] <moorbo> so who is paying for everything
[04:02:29] <witnit> as much as you are in here asking about lathes..
[04:02:30] <XXCoder> then shut it about lathe
[04:02:32] <witnit> you have time
[04:02:34] <humble_sea_bass> use the SAE lathe at school
[04:02:37] <moorbo> and doesn't your university/college
[04:02:44] <moorbo> have a metal workshop to use
[04:02:56] <shaun413_> I don't live there
[04:03:00] <moorbo> so
[04:03:00] <XXCoder> pee on it
[04:03:04] <humble_sea_bass> he refuses to use their shops because they don't take his sensibilities into account
[04:03:12] <shaun413_> I'd spend more in gas then on a lathe
[04:03:12] <_methods> yes under his bridge there is no machine shop
[04:03:14] <moorbo> you don't have to live at the school
[04:03:25] <moorbo> you drive there daily anyways
[04:03:26] <moorbo> don't you
[04:03:29] <moorbo> just stay longer
[04:03:34] <shaun413_> Only during school
[04:03:40] <shaun413_> Its over soon
[04:03:46] <_methods> i hope so
[04:03:52] <moorbo> they don't stay open for students anyways?
[04:03:53] <_methods> are you trying to tell us something?
[04:03:56] <moorbo> mine always did.
[04:04:00] <shaun413_> They do
[04:04:00] <_methods> are you a mass murderer
[04:04:08] <shaun413_> But why would I go
[04:04:08] <_methods> are you going to shoot up yoru school?
[04:04:19] <_methods> someone call the police
[04:04:26] <moorbo> wait
[04:04:31] <moorbo> I just told you a reason to go
[04:04:55] <shaun413_> Gas isn't cheap
[04:05:00] <XXCoder> use pee for gas
[04:05:03] <moorbo> you're in the states
[04:05:05] <moorbo> arn't you?
[04:05:06] <shaun413_> Yes
[04:05:08] <humble_sea_bass> stay late after class
[04:05:09] <moorbo> gas is hella cheap there.
[04:05:13] <shaun413_> No
[04:05:17] <moorbo> its like
[04:05:21] <shaun413_> You guys don't read....
[04:05:25] <moorbo> less than a dollar per litre
[04:05:28] <humble_sea_bass> actually, who gave you a license to drive
[04:05:29] <shaun413_> No....
[04:05:36] <shaun413_> Its like 4 dollars a gallon
[04:05:39] <XXCoder> moorbo: depends on where but basically yes
[04:05:44] <moorbo> thats less than a dollar a litre
[04:05:49] <shaun413_> Ok
[04:05:50] <humble_sea_bass> >>4 dollars a gallon
[04:05:54] <shaun413_> Not cheap
[04:05:55] <XXCoder> most regions is below 4 bucks a gallon
[04:06:03] <XXCoder> here its $3.40 a gallon
[04:06:06] <moorbo> so its way less than a dollar a litre
[04:06:11] <_methods> yeah
[04:06:16] <moorbo> jesus
[04:06:18] <_methods> they don't know how much gas costs moorbo
[04:06:18] <XXCoder> one gallone = 4 litres
[04:06:23] <moorbo> so cheap
[04:06:25] <_methods> yeah
[04:06:29] <_methods> it's nice here lol
[04:06:38] <XXCoder> fuck gas
[04:06:44] <XXCoder> I want solar or something
[04:06:51] <moorbo> the cheapest I've ever paid for gas was 1.39 a litre CAD
[04:06:53] <shaun413_> I'm not arguing about logistics
[04:06:53] <XXCoder> or gas thats NOT from oil
[04:06:58] <moorbo> the most was 2 euros
[04:06:59] <moorbo> :/
[04:07:07] <_methods> ouch
[04:07:11] <humble_sea_bass> what's it take to get a kline around here
[04:07:12] <XXCoder> usa just invented cheap method to make gas out of seawater
[04:07:18] <_methods> right
[04:07:19] <XXCoder> no more carbon
[04:07:25] <XXCoder> well no more GAIN of carbon
[04:07:33] <_methods> the iq in this room drops like 100 pts every time he shows up
[04:07:35] <moorbo> out of seawater
[04:07:37] <moorbo> interesting
[04:07:39] <moorbo> do you have a thing
[04:07:43] <moorbo> article
[04:07:44] <XXCoder> still better than drilling liquid sunlight/carbon
[04:07:44] <shaun413_> ?
[04:07:59] <XXCoder> sec
[04:08:08] <shaun413_> My IQ is 136
[04:08:09] <XXCoder> http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/04/13/newser-navy-seawater-fuel/7668665/
[04:08:14] <shaun413_> I doubt it drops
[04:08:24] <XXCoder> 136 miq
[04:08:29] <XXCoder> not a typo
[04:08:33] <shaun413_> ...
[04:08:35] <_methods> i think you forgot a decimal place shaun413_
[04:08:39] <_methods> 13.6
[04:08:41] <shaun413_> Stfu
[04:08:43] <_methods> is not 136
[04:08:47] <XXCoder> nah he just forgot m in miq
[04:08:51] <XXCoder> milliIQ
[04:08:56] <_methods> hehe
[04:09:36] <shaun413_> I'm done here
[04:09:37] <witnit> what does IQ stand for shaun? you have ten seconds to answer or I assume you googled
[04:09:46] <witnit> 4
[04:09:51] <shaun413_> Intelligence quotient
[04:09:53] <witnit> beeeeeep
[04:09:55] <shaun413_> I'm not dumb
[04:10:06] <XXCoder> lol I know what it is, but I cant remember full version of iq
[04:10:18] <moorbo> 13.6 iq says otherwise
[04:10:19] <humble_sea_bass> you sure act retarded though
[04:10:20] <witnit> I didnt actually know I was just pressin him
[04:10:35] <_methods> hahah
[04:10:37] <shaun413_> ...
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[04:10:54] <XXCoder> took me half second to google
[04:11:01] <XXCoder> just type "iq define" in url
[04:11:02] <XXCoder> done
[04:11:07] <shaun413_> Cool
[04:11:19] <witnit> nice
[04:11:25] <witnit> learn something new everyday
[04:11:31] <XXCoder> so still possiblke he googled lol
[04:11:37] <witnit> so your up to 13.7 now shaun?
[04:11:41] <shaun413_> ...
[04:11:46] <_methods> heheh
[04:11:50] <humble_sea_bass> he doesn't know how to google
[04:12:04] <humble_sea_bass> otherwise he wouldn't ask stupid questions
[04:12:04] <_methods> he is google
[04:12:09] <witnit> counter trolling at its best
[04:12:12] <shaun413_> No, I use my brain instead
[04:12:16] <XXCoder> pee on it
[04:12:23] <moorbo> pee on your brain!
[04:12:30] <_methods> pee on shaun413_
[04:12:42] <XXCoder> I'm making "pee on it" a macro
[04:12:46] <moorbo> thats hard for me :(
[04:12:58] <moorbo> XXCoder: lol
[04:13:29] <witnit> you can't get the right arc huh moorbo?
[04:13:55] <moorbo> witnit: pretty much 90 degrees
[04:13:59] <moorbo> ;(
[04:14:29] XXCoder is now known as XXCoder_Pee
[04:14:34] XXCoder_Pee is now known as XXCoder
[04:14:41] <XXCoder> ok screwed command lol
[04:14:57] <shaun413_> Night
[04:15:01] <witnit> seee youu
[04:15:18] <XXCoder> heh
[04:16:14] <XXCoder> Pee on it.
[04:16:21] <witnit> got it?
[04:16:26] <XXCoder> okay it was user command conflict
[04:16:29] <XXCoder> Pee on it.
[04:16:42] <witnit> already had "Pee on it." assigned elsewares? :P
[04:16:47] <moorbo> lol
[04:16:49] <XXCoder> nah it was /p
[04:16:53] <XXCoder> changed to /pee
[04:17:36] <witnit> XXCoder makes me think you are female due to biology
[04:18:08] <moorbo> me?
[04:18:08] <XXCoder> heh it has other meaning but yeah someone else, definitely female, used same elsewhere
[04:18:12] <witnit> and moorbo the fact you get 90 degress no arc, makes me think the same
[04:18:17] <XXCoder> I used it first though, since early 90s
[04:18:19] <moorbo> lol
[04:18:21] <moorbo> I am
[04:18:25] <witnit> I knew it
[04:18:51] <XXCoder> XXCoder is old nick
[04:19:04] <XXCoder> its old enough to drink for few years
[04:20:56] <witnit> my longest running username is griefman
[04:21:05] <witnit> from my hotmail account when I was 14
[04:21:25] <moorbo> lol
[04:21:28] <moorbo> hotmail
[04:21:29] <witnit> still active, seems like forever ago
[04:21:43] <XXCoder> heh I started using internet at damn near dawn of internet
[04:21:45] <XXCoder> 1993
[04:21:56] <witnit> Im 27
[04:21:59] <XXCoder> 1992 dont count, its fucking aol era
[04:22:11] <XXCoder> for me anyway
[04:22:24] <witnit> I dunno when I got internet I was rather young
[04:22:31] <witnit> napster era
[04:22:37] <moorbo> I stole dialup internet
[04:22:39] <XXCoder> I and my generation is last generation that mostly grew up without internet
[04:22:47] <moorbo> we had an unlimited after 6 long distance plan
[04:23:24] <moorbo> and a company from another province offered dialup for free, except for an ad window
[04:23:34] <witnit> ha long distance dial up access, so 14.4 was fast for you hahaha
[04:23:35] <XXCoder> lol netfree
[04:23:48] <XXCoder> I hacked the snot out of it. removed all ads
[04:23:55] <moorbo> witnit: my net maxed at like, 3kb downloads
[04:24:02] <witnit> sounds about right
[04:24:05] <moorbo> which I thought was awesome at the time
[04:24:06] <XXCoder> used it maybe for a hour or so, all exmergacy when regular access went down
[04:24:15] <witnit> I recall the first time I shotgunned my modems
[04:24:26] <witnit> I felt like a super internet hacker
[04:24:32] <moorbo> lol
[04:24:48] <moorbo> I pretty much used my internet to download emulator games
[04:24:51] <moorbo> with zsnes
[04:24:55] <humble_sea_bass> Quake quake quake
[04:24:58] <witnit> but my parents were displeased that both phone lines were tied during my every waking hour
[04:25:11] <witnit> BLOOD was a fps multiplayer I used to do dialup witgh
[04:25:14] <witnit> sooo funnyt
[04:25:35] <witnit> dial up fps games
[04:25:43] <witnit> silly times
[04:26:08] <humble_sea_bass> blood was on kali wasnt it
[04:26:50] <witnit> go to google image and do
[04:26:52] <witnit> blood monolith
[04:27:12] <witnit> that game scared the crap out of me
[04:27:16] <humble_sea_bass> i remember it, but I can't remember mp
[04:27:24] <moorbo> oh man
[04:27:28] <moorbo> i remember bloood
[04:27:43] <humble_sea_bass> quake was my first non-lan MP
[04:27:45] <witnit> I miss that game, I should go download it
[04:27:56] <witnit> mine was Unreal Tournament 99
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[04:29:27] <ChuangTzu> atdt mofos
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[04:29:40] <ChuangTzu> i haven't played a fps since duke nukem 3d
[04:29:48] <ChuangTzu> but i played the most wolfenstein
[04:31:15] <witnit> Halflife during machine trades
[04:47:07] <Connor1> Wolfenstien.
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[04:56:10] <XXCoder> quake
[04:56:16] <XXCoder> that was last game I could play
[04:56:33] <XXCoder> my brain sucks, I get verigo on most games now
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[05:27:10] <zeeshan> connor
[05:27:12] <zeeshan> stil lthere?
[05:29:09] <zeeshan> lol i was scroling up
[05:29:14] <zeeshan> finally shaun413_ admitted
[05:29:15] <zeeshan> :D
[05:29:16] <zeeshan> TROLL!
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[05:41:43] <XXCoder> zeeshan: indeed
[06:05:24] <Connor> zeeshan: Huh? Admitted what ?
[06:05:51] <XXCoder> sjun is a troll
[06:06:02] <XXCoder> he admitted he didnt have any hard cold cash to buy anything
[06:06:11] <XXCoder> yet he asked advice to buy lathe for weeks
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[06:07:47] <Connor> Ugh.
[06:07:55] <Connor> I'll be ignoring him.
[06:07:56] <XXCoder> yeah
[06:08:39] <Connor> Not having money is one thing.. asking the same dang questions over and over expecting a different answer is the definition of insane.
[06:08:51] <witnit> aye
[06:08:55] <jdh> he wants to believe
[06:09:09] <jdh> I'd like to believe my HF 7x is good.
[06:09:22] <XXCoder> Connor: indeed
[06:09:31] <XXCoder> I come here to get advice and I got it
[06:09:33] <Connor> and him thinking he's going to make money making hot ends manually is WAY insane.
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[06:09:38] <XXCoder> I learned hell of a lot
[06:09:53] <XXCoder> and slowly getting there lol
[06:10:30] <Connor> I even gave him the order of quality on the 7x lathes.
[06:10:44] <witnit> cd ..
[06:10:48] <witnit> haha
[06:11:04] <Connor> MicroMark and LittleMachineShop, Grizzly, then Harbor Freight.
[06:12:17] <Connor> and he argued with me about using a CNC Mill as a horizontal lathe to make the hotends..
[06:12:23] <Connor> Ugg.. waste of my time...
[06:12:53] <XXCoder> dunno what "hotend" is
[06:13:29] <Connor> the chamber used to melt plastic filament into tiny strand use for 3D printers.
[06:13:48] <Connor> I.E. the Extruder.
[06:14:05] <XXCoder> oh yeah!
[06:14:26] <Connor> Time for Bed. l8r
[06:14:27] <XXCoder> I saw project online that uses diesel glowplug as part
[06:14:30] <XXCoder> later
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[06:54:46] <Deejay> moin
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[08:22:44] <witnit> mojn
[08:34:56] <Deejay> moin
[08:35:01] <Deejay> :)
[08:45:17] <witnit> you from south then?
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[09:23:44] <theorbtwo> XXCoder: Hmm, interesting idea.
[09:24:19] <witnit> affordable
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[09:24:46] <theorbtwo> There's a technical difference between "extruder" and "hotend", though the terms are often used as synonyms too.
[09:25:16] <theorbtwo> The extruder is the entire assembly, whereas the hotend is the heater plus the nozel at the end, but not the bit that shoves the plastic down.
[09:25:54] <theorbtwo> I'm not aware of a term for the bit that shoves absent the bit that heats; I tend to call it the cold end.
[09:26:12] <theorbtwo> witnit: Not paticularly, I suspect, but easier to work with.
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[10:47:47] <witnit> I managed to download the entire linuxcnc github, but all I want is this folder http://git.linuxcnc.org/gitweb?p=linuxcnc.git;a=tree;f=src;hb=HEAD
[10:48:34] <witnit> im so hopeless :/
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[11:32:01] <witnit> I think they used the word snapshot? push and pull then clone instead of upload download copy? I have not been keeping up :(
[11:34:05] <witnit> yep, im a fool, clicking snapshot means "download everything you see here" why doesnt it just say that...
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[14:56:34] <shaun413> Hi
[14:56:38] <shaun413> so
[14:56:47] <shaun413> I managed to find a way to buy the lathe
[14:56:53] <shaun413> should I get the hf?
[14:57:03] <XXCoder> Pee on it.
[14:57:12] <zeeshan> rofl
[14:57:14] <zeeshan> early morning troll
[14:57:14] <shaun413> haha
[14:57:20] <shaun413> not trolling
[14:57:21] <zeeshan> got a new bandsaw
[14:57:22] <zeeshan> woohoo
[14:57:23] <zeeshan> http://i.imgur.com/7ser34V.jpg
[14:57:24] <shaun413> Im dead serious
[14:57:25] <zeeshan> it rapes metal
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[14:57:52] <XXCoder> Used pee as cutting oil eh ;)
[14:58:02] <shaun413> is a hf lathe worth buying?
[14:58:04] <XXCoder> cool though
[14:58:04] <shaun413> 450
[14:58:12] <XXCoder> Pee on it.
[14:58:23] <_methods> nice saw
[14:58:32] <witnit> I got my 7i90 working with some key peoples insight
[14:58:34] <witnit> :)
[14:58:43] <zeeshan> i love this thing
[14:58:47] <zeeshan> i did a test vs my old saw
[14:58:55] <Jymmm> zeeshan: how much?
[14:58:55] <shaun413> does anyone think a HF 7x12 is ok to buy?
[14:58:56] <zeeshan> 5 minutes to cut a piece of metal
[14:58:57] <XXCoder> I assume it can cut steel and such too?
[14:58:57] <zeeshan> vs 15 seconds
[14:59:03] <witnit> ha wow
[14:59:03] <zeeshan> Jymmm: too much =/
[14:59:07] <Jymmm> zeeshan: how much?
[14:59:13] <zeeshan> 700
[14:59:19] <Jymmm> SUCKER!
[14:59:22] <zeeshan> =[
[14:59:26] <zeeshan> i needed it!
[14:59:35] <witnit> its ok if you needed at the time
[14:59:36] <Jymmm> No, you WANTED it =)
[14:59:51] <witnit> but otherwise. *waves finger*
[14:59:59] <Jymmm> zeeshan: I kid, it's a very nice saw.
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[15:00:30] <Jymmm> zeeshan: Did it come with the vertical table atachment?
[15:00:38] <zeeshan> no
[15:00:42] <zeeshan> but im stealing it from my other saw
[15:00:47] <zeeshan> http://i.imgur.com/rJOFRQA.jpg
[15:00:57] <zeeshan> i might actually just make an aluminum table for it
[15:01:01] <zeeshan> cause i really dont like that sheet metal table
[15:01:04] <witnit> clever
[15:01:20] <Jymmm> zeeshan: Fine, ship it to me
[15:01:55] <Jymmm> the grn saw that is
[15:02:00] <zeeshan> haha
[15:02:04] <zeeshan> it might be sold on monday
[15:02:08] <zeeshan> i have it listed
[15:02:10] <Jymmm> ah
[15:02:22] <zeeshan> i was asking for 180 for it
[15:02:25] <zeeshan> (canadian dollars)
[15:02:51] <zeeshan> guy says he'll come on monday -- lets see if he does.
[15:02:52] <zeeshan> :P
[15:03:51] <shaun413> so
[15:03:58] <shaun413> is the HF good for 450?
[15:04:06] <shaun413> i know you say its bad///
[15:04:12] <XXCoder> Pee on it.
[15:04:44] <zeeshan> shaun413: give me the 450$
[15:04:46] <_methods> oh wow some easter morning trolling
[15:04:50] <_methods> right on
[15:04:53] <shaun413> why zeeshan ?
[15:05:07] <zeeshan> i will spend it for you
[15:05:09] <XXCoder> yeah cheering on zombie day
[15:05:11] <zeeshan> on a can of .. 'stfu' !
[15:05:15] <humble_sea_bass> that's a nice bandsaw
[15:05:29] <XXCoder> sigh. trolling not cheering
[15:05:36] <zeeshan> thank you!
[15:05:51] <zeeshan> you know whats intereseting
[15:05:55] <XXCoder> may it last though lots cuts, and what I see, it will.
[15:05:58] <zeeshan> it draws 9A at 120V
[15:06:02] <humble_sea_bass> the little cart is pimp
[15:06:06] <zeeshan> on the motor name plate it says 3/4 hp
[15:06:29] <humble_sea_bass> that's nothing
[15:06:43] <zeeshan> 1080W = 1.448Hp ?
[15:06:44] <Jymmm> shaun413: You keep asking the same question over and over for weeks now, just stop asking. You'll have to just find out for yourself.
[15:06:55] <shaun413> Jymmm, Its on sale today
[15:06:59] <shaun413> and I can afford it
[15:07:03] <shaun413> thats why i ask
[15:07:08] <humble_sea_bass> get it
[15:07:25] <humble_sea_bass> Easter sales can't be messed with
[15:07:32] <humble_sea_bass> they only come once per year
[15:07:39] <shaun413> :/
[15:07:51] <witnit> yeah they rise after three days...
[15:07:53] <witnit> ....
[15:08:00] <Jymmm> shaun413: Again, STOP ASKING AND FIND OUT FOR YOURSELF. Ask again or argue about it and it's much easier to ban you.
[15:08:08] <shaun413> .
[15:08:10] <zeeshan> shaun413: ask again please
[15:08:12] <zeeshan> PLEASE
[15:08:13] <zeeshan> i beg you
[15:08:19] <zeeshan> i will tell you the answer
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[15:08:56] <zeeshan> i hear they will give you a big egg with it too with hss toolbits in it
[15:09:04] <Jymmm> zeeshan: Your next!
[15:09:08] <zeeshan> haha :D
[15:09:53] <XXCoder> wow zee owns next now?
[15:10:27] <Jymmm> maybe First too!
[15:10:33] <shaun413> wow
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[15:11:34] <zeeshan> i want to go back in the garage but i have 2 final exams on thursday and fri respectively =/
[15:11:39] <zeeshan> should prolly start studying
[15:12:29] <shaun413> prolly
[15:15:10] <shaun413> http://cnj.craigslist.org/tls/4431242849.html
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[15:16:51] <zeeshan> http://i.imgur.com/fcY0UbQ.gif
[15:16:54] <zeeshan> i like
[15:17:20] <shaun413> cool
[15:17:42] <shaun413> zeeshan, what do you think of that southbend
[15:18:03] <humble_sea_bass> i think that counts as asking
[15:18:10] <_methods> ^^
[15:18:21] <shaun413> no
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[15:18:54] <_methods> oh shit
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[15:19:07] <humble_sea_bass> The Risen Lord
[15:19:07] <_methods> das boot
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[15:19:40] <XXCoder> funally the lathe guys gone
[15:19:47] <_methods> how many times have you had to kick him now?
[15:20:43] <zeeshan> http://www.haascnc.com/mt_spec1.asp?id=ST-25&webID=BIG_BORE_LATHE#gsc.tab=0
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[15:20:45] <zeeshan> interesting
[15:20:52] <jdh> I fucking hate disney
[15:20:53] <zeeshan> 63k
[15:20:57] <XXCoder> zeeshan: awesome gif
[15:20:58] <zeeshan> jdh: dont hate disney
[15:21:07] <zeeshan> help me with my lathe!
[15:21:14] <XXCoder> Pee on it.
[15:21:17] <_methods> heh
[15:21:18] <jdh> cut/drill/tap
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[15:21:27] <zeeshan> no
[15:21:31] <zeeshan> i need the link to your lathe pics again
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[15:21:40] <XXCoder> damn and I thought macro use ended with shawn
[15:21:42] <zeeshan> http://i.imgur.com/NpTSx7Y.jpg
[15:21:46] <zeeshan> thats what im dealing with right now
[15:21:53] <zeeshan> http://i.imgur.com/fpHKt8n.jpg
[15:21:56] <humble_sea_bass> let me crack open these easter eggs see if I have 62k and a massive airplane hanger to keep this
[15:22:03] <jdh> that's the easy part
[15:22:13] <zeeshan> its not easy when you wanna use a stationary cover
[15:22:18] <zeeshan> that covers the ball screw from the top and sides
[15:22:28] <jdh> just takes cash
[15:22:30] <zeeshan> unless i make telescoping covers that cover both the ways and the ball screw
[15:22:35] <XXCoder> what about accordian style covers
[15:22:47] <zeeshan> XXCoder: if i spend money on those covers
[15:22:50] <zeeshan> ill prolly cover everything
[15:23:05] <XXCoder> its little more than plastic sheet you fold in certain way
[15:23:08] <zeeshan> http://img.directindustry.com/images_di/photo-g/watertight-telescopic-steel-covers-machine-tools-33367-2821889.jpg
[15:23:09] <zeeshan> kinda like that
[15:23:17] <XXCoder> and rails to keep to aligned
[15:23:21] <jdh> is your casting cracked?
[15:23:22] <zeeshan> so it covers both the ways and ball screw
[15:23:27] <zeeshan> jdh where
[15:23:38] <zeeshan> first pic?
[15:23:42] <jdh> yeah
[15:23:45] <zeeshan> nah
[15:23:47] <zeeshan> thats an adjustable section
[15:23:55] <XXCoder> zeeshan: http://www.ebay.com/itm/like/310839064877?lpid=82
[15:24:00] <XXCoder> something like that
[15:24:10] <jdh> oh, gap bed?
[15:24:11] <zeeshan> hmm
[15:24:17] <zeeshan> jdh i thinkso
[15:24:18] <zeeshan> :P
[15:24:38] <jdh> I should wire up my X stepper and see if my crappy design actually works.
[15:24:41] <zeeshan> XXCoder: whatd you search for
[15:24:47] <zeeshan> jdh: pics
[15:24:54] <XXCoder> accordian cnc
[15:24:58] <zeeshan> i wanna see where you attached the ball nut on the carriage
[15:25:33] <jdh> on the left side
[15:25:37] <jdh> takes up a lot of room
[15:26:11] <zeeshan> you're not worried about causing 'torquing' of the carriage?
[15:26:17] <zeeshan> cause its not mounted on the centerline of it?
[15:26:25] <jdh> no
[15:26:42] <jdh> https://picasaweb.google.com/112430417093824344570/9x20#5996915628825351618
[15:26:47] <jdh> it's a terrible design overall
[15:27:30] <zeeshan> https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-H2HunjxuOnY/UvBRLt0K3OI/AAAAAAAADXY/brt8jI2fcbU/w1598-h899-no/20140203_213021.jpg
[15:27:30] <zeeshan> hehe
[15:27:33] <zeeshan> you didnt even use the carriage
[15:27:35] <zeeshan> interesting!
[15:30:36] <zeeshan> whyd you mount the X in the front
[15:30:38] <zeeshan> and not the back?
[15:32:15] <jdh> nothing to hang it from on the back
[15:33:38] <zeeshan> ah
[15:34:40] <XXCoder> zee what ya think of using accordian covers?
[15:35:01] <humble_sea_bass> those steel ones looked great
[15:35:09] <humble_sea_bass> some optimus prime stuff
[15:35:31] <XXCoder> lol yeah
[15:35:49] <XXCoder> I saw one cnc hobby where guy made his own plastic accordian covers though
[15:35:52] <XXCoder> looked pretty cool
[15:36:47] <_methods> accordian covers are usually kinda spendy
[15:36:59] <_methods> god forbid you machine tears them up
[15:37:12] <_methods> pain in the ass to fix
[15:37:30] <XXCoder> found it
[15:37:32] <XXCoder> http://makezine.com/2013/07/29/christopher-blasius-wooden-cnc-router/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=%24{feed}&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+%24{makezineonline}+%28%24{MAKE}%29&utm_content=%24{GoogleReader}
[15:37:52] <XXCoder> better shorter url http://makezine.com/2013/07/29/christopher-blasius-wooden-cnc-router/
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[15:38:57] <_methods> interesting
[15:39:22] <XXCoder> yeah he made covers himself
[15:41:24] <shaun413> Oh phew
[15:41:36] <Jymmm> Does anyone know where to find 12ga zipcord?
[15:41:52] <Jymmm> rubberized if possible
[15:42:16] <shaun413> mcmaster has it all
[15:44:23] <humble_sea_bass> http://www.ebay.com/itm/100-FT-12-AWG-GAUGE-ZIP-WIRE-RED-BLACK-STRANDED-COPPER-POWER-GROUND-/231146793188?pt=US_Car_Audio_Power_Speaker_Wire&hash=item35d16c28e4
[15:44:31] <humble_sea_bass> ebay if you're a yankee
[15:45:46] <Jymmm> humble_sea_bass: Thanks, but that type I have. The issues is that it scuffs/nicks fairly easily, thus the "rubberized" aspects, as it will be layed out, on the ground, etc.
[15:46:16] <humble_sea_bass> oh sorry, i thought you jsut meant regular ol jacketed
[15:46:51] <Jymmm> Doesn't have to be jacketed, but there is a rubberized version I've seen (in pics) that I can't find.
[15:47:04] <humble_sea_bass> I use home depot extention cables to get tought stuff like that
[15:47:12] <Jymmm> jacketed?
[15:47:39] <humble_sea_bass> yeah, the kind you'd have on a quality power tool
[15:48:50] <XXCoder> 12:00 on that video he used cheap plastic sheet to make accordian bellows
[15:49:04] <Jymmm> Ah, yeah. I can't afford the bulk/weight of jacketed for this project, but the blk/red is a little too delicate for the intended purpose.
[15:49:25] <Jymmm> you look at that stuff too long and it nicks =)
[15:49:50] <witnit>
[15:50:02] <witnit> inputs and outputs working via epp :)
[15:50:13] <Jymmm> Where's the cheap ass china stuff with the extra thick insulation when you need it =)
[15:50:46] <humble_sea_bass> I normally just buy cable jackets and thread stuff through em if I can't find the right number of conductors
[15:51:47] <Jymmm> I need this to fit in my back pocket
[15:52:01] <_methods> damn you want it all
[15:52:11] <humble_sea_bass> look at some Romex
[15:52:22] <_methods> durable, light weight, cheap, and small
[15:52:24] <Jymmm> has to be stranded
[15:52:29] <humble_sea_bass> the jacket is relatively thin compared to ext cable and it is tought
[15:52:29] <_methods> and stranded now
[15:52:31] <_methods> lol
[15:52:37] <humble_sea_bass> since it is meant to be fished through your wall
[15:53:00] <Jymmm> _methods: I said zipcord you goober!
[15:53:09] <_methods> hehe
[15:53:30] <shaun413> ok be honest
[15:53:36] <shaun413> is gingery a better option?
[15:53:57] <_methods> wow
[15:54:02] <XXCoder> Pee on it.
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[15:55:06] <humble_sea_bass> wow
[15:55:25] <humble_sea_bass> i got serve myself coffee and this happens
[15:56:58] <_methods> that boy's a persistent as a coon hound with 2 peckers
[15:56:58] <XXCoder> Don't pee in it
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[15:56:58] <humble_sea_bass> some southern wisdom if i ever heard any
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[15:59:43] <_methods> haha
[15:59:57] <humble_sea_bass> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Voodoo-Black-Speaker-Wire-12-gauge-True-AWG-true-spec-50-ft-588-strands-/301140681621?pt=US_Car_Audio_Power_Speaker_Wire&hash=item461d622395
[16:00:07] <_methods> i had a guy one time tell me he was " more fucked up than a cricket caught in a hub cap at 85mph"
[16:00:24] <humble_sea_bass> colder than a well diggers ass
[16:00:54] <_methods> hehe
[16:00:54] <XXCoder> oh yeah gonna ask
[16:00:58] <shaun413> .
[16:01:04] <XXCoder> what gauge wires should I use on cnc electric system?
[16:01:16] <_methods> depends on current and voltage
[16:01:25] <XXCoder> lemme get system link a sec
[16:01:43] <humble_sea_bass> yeah, look at your motors, and look at the stuff your hooking up
[16:01:46] <XXCoder> http://www.ebay.com/itm/3Axis-Nema23-Stepping-Motor-110N-cm-3-0A-4wire-board-TB6560-Power-for-CMC-mill-/281188392513?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item4178225e41
[16:01:48] <_methods> amps
[16:01:59] <XXCoder> 3A I think motors is 4a
[16:01:59] <shaun413> 3 Amp
[16:02:05] <shaun413> use 16
[16:02:06] <humble_sea_bass> and use the wire ampacity table from the NEC XXCoder
[16:02:17] <_methods> ^^
[16:02:17] <shaun413> 18 is fine..
[16:02:29] <Jymmm> humble_sea_bass: Like this, but 12ga... http://www.homedepot.com/p/Southwire-250-ft-18-2-SJOOW-300-Volt-Rubber-Cord-Black-55811644/202316439
[16:02:32] <_methods> or you can listen to shaun413
[16:02:34] <XXCoder> reading chart now
[16:02:41] <XXCoder> listen to troll?
[16:02:42] <XXCoder> Pee on it.
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[16:03:24] <humble_sea_bass> you don't want actual zip wire, you need 2 conductor
[16:04:18] <humble_sea_bass> XXCoder: it gives you allowed ampacity based on length with a built in safety factor
[16:04:31] <Jymmm> humble_sea_bass: There actually is rubber zipcord (which is fine), I just can't find the shit.
[16:05:09] <_methods> like on extension cords?
[16:05:09] <_methods> or lamp cords
[16:05:09] <Jymmm> _methods: like on a lamp or appliance
[16:05:09] <_methods> yeah
[16:05:12] <humble_sea_bass> that Voodoo brand speaker wire looks beefier, b ut still vynil
[16:05:41] <Jymmm> humble_sea_bass: it looks brittle too (insulation)
[16:06:03] <Jymmm> especially in cold
[16:06:06] <XXCoder> nice
[16:06:59] <humble_sea_bass> I use monoprice speaker wires which have a protective vynil jacket, and yes it is brittle when cold
[16:07:06] <XXCoder> odd though as gauge decrease with length
[16:07:11] <Jymmm> Damnit, they has 14-2, but not 12-2, http://www.homedepot.com/s/14-2%2520SJOOW?NCNI-5
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[16:08:12] <XXCoder> oh right. forgot diameter INCREASES with gauge decrease
[16:08:14] <XXCoder> hate that
[16:08:14] <_methods> http://www.wireandcabletogo.com/12-2-SJOOW-Portable-Cord-300V-UL-CSA.html
[16:08:20] <humble_sea_bass> http://www.amazon.com/Pyle-Pro-PSCBLF300-Speaker-Rubber-Jacket/dp/B004G8CTR4
[16:08:30] <humble_sea_bass> these guys are near me, Pyle
[16:08:50] <XXCoder> looks like 16 gauge is just fine
[16:08:53] <humble_sea_bass> good enough for an amp
[16:09:01] <CaptHindsight_> 12-2 SOJ should be easy enough to get at most electrical supply
[16:09:14] <_methods> yeah
[16:09:31] <_methods> they actually probably have it at home depot or lowes
[16:09:34] <_methods> on the cable tower
[16:09:42] <humble_sea_bass> home depot = hell
[16:09:46] <_methods> agreed
[16:09:56] <_methods> your equation looks legit
[16:09:59] <CaptHindsight_> did the rabbit see its shadow? I got up late today and didn't hear
[16:10:09] <moorbo> groundhog....
[16:10:16] <XXCoder> Do I use simple plug and cut one end off and wire to my cnc power supply?
[16:10:28] <XXCoder> probably computer plug, I has million of those
[16:10:31] <_methods> yeah
[16:10:33] <CaptHindsight_> the rabbit saw a groundhog?
[16:10:38] <moorbo> yes.
[16:10:43] <moorbo> winter will stay
[16:10:54] <XXCoder> CaptHindsight_: it didnt see its shadow but saw shotgun shadow
[16:11:00] <XXCoder> so yeah winter forever now
[16:11:19] <Jymmm> Hmmmm, they have 10ga... http://www.wireandcabletogo.com/10-2-SJOOW-Portable-Cord-300V-UL-CSA.html
[16:11:49] <Jymmm> but generic pic *sigh*
[16:12:08] <Jymmm> Maybe I'll hit a local electrical supply this week
[16:12:15] <humble_sea_bass> basically this happened http://books.google.com/books?id=cQYRp8EQrzUC&pg=PA376&lpg=PA376&dq=the+risen+lord,+the+risen+lord+has+risen+in+the+flesh,+and+treads+the+earth+to+feel+the+soil&source=bl&ots=l7HOffFAWK&sig=7GwOY5iH-VoVQIfLwHYdCkdhD-s&hl=en&sa=X&ei=jfFTU9mpENDKsQS0poD4BQ&ved=0CCkQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=the%20risen%20lord%2C%20the%20risen%20lord%20has%20risen%20in%20the%20flesh%2C%20and%20treads%20the%20earth%20to%20feel%20the%20soil&f=false
[16:12:48] <CaptHindsight_> throws humble_sea_bass a life preserver
[16:12:51] <XXCoder> according to some people yes
[16:13:12] <humble_sea_bass> this is the illest poem
[16:13:39] <humble_sea_bass> jesus wakes up and is all like "oh what, now I just have to be a dude"
[16:14:38] <XXCoder> then turned into egg laying rabbit
[16:14:38] <CaptHindsight_> off to the traditional pig roast and swapmeet
[16:14:38] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight_: bastard!
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[16:30:36] <XXCoder> weird https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=mOqjFa4RskA
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[16:33:23] <witnit> pete
[16:33:37] <witnit> I got my 7i90 working
[16:33:46] <witnit> im excited had to tell someone new
[16:39:52] <PetefromTn_> Hey man congrats.
[16:41:40] <witnit> thanks, these things are really exciting since im so bad at this ahaha, I had the card over a week and kept getting intimidated :P
[16:41:44] <CaptHindsight_> XXCoder: easter magic
[16:42:02] <_methods> witnit: it's a lot of info to process
[16:42:05] <_methods> all the choice
[16:42:07] <_methods> cards
[16:42:09] <_methods> motors
[16:42:18] <XXCoder> yep capt lol
[16:42:45] <_methods> heh i've had projects that went on for years
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[16:42:55] <_methods> i keep coming back armed with a little more info
[16:43:03] <_methods> fuck it up
[16:43:06] <_methods> rinse wash repeatr
[16:43:37] <_methods> making a battery tab welder right now
[16:43:55] <witnit> I went from iso>pnconf>5i25 then in one week did github>codesconfigsnthings>7i90hd
[16:44:02] <witnit> totally lost for 4 days straight
[16:44:21] <_methods> hehe
[16:44:28] <witnit> the wizards are nice
[16:44:45] <witnit> but man... I never used gitgub before or really comppiled anything I had no idea what was happening haha
[16:46:04] <XXCoder> github? or different site?
[16:46:14] <witnit> oh
[16:46:19] <witnit> typo
[16:48:29] <witnit> hmm looks like a spot welder _methods
[16:48:59] <_methods> yeah for batteries
[16:49:15] <_methods> one of those lingering projects
[16:49:36] <witnit> If you were real good you could pick up an industrial sewing machine with a good feeder on it, you could run a mile of them in 2 minutes :)
[16:50:23] <_methods> https://www.dropbox.com/s/74iaansyvb3d9rm/2014-04-20%2012.48.03.jpg
[16:50:45] <witnit> nice choice
[16:50:49] <_methods> hehe easter, beer, scr, and big shitty audio cap lol
[16:50:54] <witnit> looks great
[16:51:19] <witnit> you think you could slide a beercan over that cap?
[16:51:27] <_methods> still need to figure out what i'm gonna hold the electrodes with
[16:51:27] <witnit> redbull size one
[16:51:42] <_methods> i'ts bigger than red bull
[16:51:42] <witnit> ceramic?
[16:51:50] <_methods> but i could wrap one
[16:51:55] <_methods> no idea yet
[16:52:20] <_methods> gonna start assembling the circuits and think about it lol
[16:52:34] <_methods> http://www.philpem.me.uk/elec/welder/images/schematic.png
[16:52:36] <witnit> get some chics junk hair straitener and see if it has good mounts on the ceramics
[16:53:03] <_methods> i got some dead tungsten from work for the trodes
[16:53:25] <_methods> just need to make a holder now
[16:53:34] <_methods> probably use a pen or something
[16:53:35] <witnit> switch would have variable power maybe, or just do that with knob?
[16:53:47] <witnit> foot switch*
[16:53:51] <_methods> well they use foot switch
[16:53:57] <_methods> but i'm gonna mount one on the trode
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[16:54:02] <witnit> yeah but that just for on off I would think
[16:54:03] <_methods> so i can hit it with my hand
[16:54:15] <_methods> one of those pcb mount buttons
[16:54:17] <witnit> if you set it for variable amps you could control it like a tig
[16:54:51] <witnit> I dont know how that would help much though
[16:55:06] <_methods> i think this one uses the voltage
[16:55:08] <witnit> unless you were doing copper tubing and such building tools as well
[16:55:19] <_methods> i'm just welding battery tabs
[16:55:33] <_methods> people make plasma cutters out of these i guess
[16:55:34] <witnit> no need for all my crazy talk then haha
[16:55:35] <_methods> real rough
[16:55:37] <witnit> yeah?
[16:55:40] <_methods> yeah
[16:55:43] <witnit> sound off
[16:55:51] <_methods> try and find link one sec
[16:55:52] <witnit> like it would not be of much use
[16:55:56] <PetefromTn_> whaddahell are you making>
[16:56:03] <_methods> battery tab welder
[16:56:10] <_methods> for making li-ion packs
[16:56:24] <witnit> why not just build an addon for your milling machine spindle to do the welding
[16:56:31] <witnit> then you could automate it
[16:56:51] <PetefromTn_> you building an electric car or something?
[16:57:17] <_methods> nah i'm just an idiot
[16:57:27] <_methods> i had some laptop battery packs
[16:57:30] <_methods> that were "dead"
[16:57:37] <_methods> then i found out about 18650's
[16:57:50] <_methods> then i started thinking hey i could do some cool projects with this
[16:57:55] <_methods> but i needed to make packs
[16:58:08] <PetefromTn_> whatsa 18650?
[16:58:21] <_methods> it's a li-ion battery in laptop battery packs
[16:58:29] <_methods> i had a ton of old laptop batteries
[16:58:37] <_methods> so dind't want to just throw them away
[16:59:08] <_methods> then it took me down into this crazy world of batteries lol
[16:59:19] <witnit> dang if I knew that...
[16:59:30] <PetefromTn_> well technically you can't just throw them away LOL.
[16:59:31] <_methods> man they are everywhere
[16:59:35] <witnit> I saw this deal for 500AA rechargeable for very cheap
[16:59:45] <witnit> would have kept you busy awhile
[16:59:49] <_methods> haha
[16:59:57] <witnit> like 60 bucks
[16:59:58] <_methods> well i got my hands full with this now
[17:00:18] <PetefromTn_> if they are dead then what good are they?
[17:00:26] <_methods> most of them aren't dead
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[17:00:28] <_methods> that's the thing
[17:00:35] <_methods> only 1 cell has to go bad
[17:00:42] <_methods> then the whole battery will read dead
[17:00:47] <_methods> it's a safety thing
[17:00:55] <PetefromTn_> hows that for redundancy..
[17:01:09] <_methods> so most of the cells will be good still in there
[17:01:29] <XXCoder> yeah
[17:01:39] <XXCoder> most batteries can be fixed by replacing that bad cell
[17:01:39] <_methods> i had one battery that was sittin around for 5 years and they were still reading 3.2v
[17:01:49] <_methods> one cell was 0
[17:02:11] <_methods> after 5 years
[17:02:20] <witnit> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Lot-of-500-Duracell-Rechargeable-AA-Batteries-NiMH-mAh-Electronics-Power-/201021845218?pt=US_Rechargeable_Batteries&hash=item2ecdd5eee2
[17:02:20] <_methods> that's crazy i figured for sure they would all be worthless
[17:02:28] <witnit> that was one of the auctions he had
[17:02:34] <witnit> he ad many lots of these
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[17:02:40] <_methods> yeah these are li-ion
[17:02:41] <witnit> I almost bought, bad idea?
[17:02:48] <_methods> i don't know shit about nimh
[17:02:55] <_methods> that's a whole other world of batteries
[17:03:21] <witnit> it looks like a good buy I know of the sales went less than 80
[17:03:34] <_methods> like your cordless drills and stuff use those
[17:03:41] <_methods> called subc cells
[17:03:47] <_methods> they do the same thing
[17:03:59] <_methods> 1 cell will go bad and your drill wont' hold a charge
[17:04:08] <_methods> you can replace the bad cells
[17:04:14] <_methods> and blammo new drill battery
[17:13:09] <XXCoder> yeah
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[17:13:25] <XXCoder> I need to learn how to solder lol
[17:13:44] <XXCoder> so I can recover my dead battery on ancient laptop
[17:17:29] <PetefromTn_> This is all very interesting but what do you plan to do with the batteries?
[17:17:29] <_methods> hehe i'm not saying
[17:17:33] <_methods> i hope what i'm doin will get on hackaday
[17:17:50] <_methods> it'
[17:17:56] <_methods> it's pretty ghetto
[17:18:03] <_methods> so i'm sure i'll make it on some site lol
[17:18:23] <_methods> but it could be pretty useful
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[17:19:55] <IchGuckLive> hi all
[17:20:09] <XXCoder> hey ich
[17:20:19] <XXCoder> I finally got electric system for cnc
[17:20:22] <XXCoder> looks cool
[17:20:57] <IchGuckLive> cool is if the mashine runs at the second start again
[17:21:29] <XXCoder> rails will take me a while. pretty expensive plus insane shipping
[17:22:20] <IchGuckLive> there are good cheep ones in homedepo to start with
[17:22:39] <XXCoder> got link?
[17:22:50] <XXCoder> and does it include screws system and such?
[17:22:55] <IchGuckLive> oh they released 2.5.4
[17:23:03] <IchGuckLive> cool lets test it
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[18:02:50] <XXCoder> lol
[18:03:23] * Jymmm sets mode: +b PetefromTn_!*@*
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[18:07:57] <_methods> bout damn time i didn't think PetefromTn_ would ever get banned
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[18:14:43] <PetefromTn_> Gee thanks
[18:14:58] <_methods> hnehe
[18:15:04] <_methods> oh damn he's still here
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[18:19:38] <Einar> I visited a friend yesterday. He opened the back of his van and showed me an Emco Compact8 with cabinet. http://www.lathes.co.uk/emco/page2.html
[18:20:25] <Einar> And lots of tools. 4 chucks, collet chuck, vices etc. etc. At the right price too. (Donut).
[18:20:37] <XXCoder> probably "dropped off back of truck"
[18:21:04] <XXCoder> oh friend, nm
[18:21:10] <Einar> Naah. His father in law decided not to do metalwork after retiring anyway.
[18:21:42] <Einar> It did not look like it had ever been used!
[18:21:47] <XXCoder> wow
[18:21:58] <XXCoder> sell it to shaun for $2,000
[18:22:04] <XXCoder> he has all money he dont have.
[18:22:39] <Einar> That would be an excellent beginners lathe! Very tight in slides and screws. Made in Austria, not far east.
[18:23:14] <XXCoder> yeah it looks great
[18:23:18] <XXCoder> you grabbing it?
[18:23:38] <Einar> We're hoping his youngest son will catch interest. Not so easy to get hurt as our bigger lathes.
[18:23:56] <XXCoder> nice
[18:24:28] <Einar> Just have to make a kill switch that will not allow start unless the chuck key is in it's holder. ;-)
[18:24:39] <XXCoder> smart yeah
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[18:24:56] <Einar> Kill switch is better than kill key.
[18:25:06] <XXCoder> if hes not paying enough attention to place cguck key in, hes not paying enough attenion to avoid mistakes
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[18:25:56] <archivist> you need some self damage to learn
[18:26:16] <Einar> Have you ever encountered a 17year old? Attention is not properly developed.
[18:26:18] <archivist> part of growing up
[18:26:42] <XXCoder> brain isnt fully grown till 21 yr old or so
[18:26:47] <_methods> ah man so who's the lucky one that gets to damage him
[18:26:48] <archivist> I had one today wander off mid job while starting up
[18:27:01] <XXCoder> last system to grow in is planning and such forgot specific name
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[18:27:48] <Einar> I know. I had a >1m long rod whipping the slides of my first lathe. Earned me some serious skidmarks in my trousers!! But I learned. :-)
[18:28:05] <archivist> the pump had not been fully tightened from the winter and youngan wanted to help.... he got wet
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[18:32:04] <XXCoder> heh
[18:32:16] <archivist> about 20 nuts to pull down to get the packing to seal http://www.collection.archivist.info/archive/DJCPD/PD/2001/2001_04_31_Leawood/P4300046.JPG
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[19:23:30] <Jymmm> Any ideas on a Ford Expedition roof mount antenna mast bracket?
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[19:28:23] <Tom_itx> i got a couple ideas on Ford in general
[19:30:01] <Jymmm> and on a bracket?
[19:30:46] <Jymmm> I need it to tilt up/down, but not sure on the mount part.
[19:31:13] <Tom_itx> cb?
[19:31:18] <Tom_itx> phone?
[19:31:27] <Tom_itx> satphone?
[19:31:40] <Jymmm> No, 10-30ft mast
[19:32:00] <Jymmm> collapsable
[19:32:00] <Tom_itx> mount it on the bumper like everybody else does
[19:32:19] <Tom_itx> with a tennis ball on it to keep the body from getting marred
[19:32:22] <Jymmm> 30 feet?
[19:32:40] <Tom_itx> why you mounting it to a vehicle anyway?
[19:32:59] <Jymmm> Uh, for mobile operation
[19:33:14] <Tom_itx> 30' doesn't sound very mobile
[19:33:30] <Jymmm> It's not uncommon
[19:34:00] <Jymmm> Usually you drive over the base and use the tire as a weight
[19:35:00] <Jymmm> What I need is a way to MOUNT it to the roof rack/rail system securely.
[19:35:41] <Jymmm> Probably use a 2.5" pvc conduit, 12" long to slip the mast into, then tilt up from there.
[19:37:21] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: Not uncommon... http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h218/FJ80/radio/IMG_0916.jpg
[19:38:32] <Jymmm> ve7it: Hey lawernce, you have any ideas on a Ford Expedition roof rack mast mount by chance?
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[19:43:49] <zeeshan> Jymmm: trying to pick up cop transmissions? :D
[19:43:50] <zeeshan> hehe
[19:44:09] <zeeshan> i wouldn't feel comfortable mounting somethinking like that
[19:44:16] <zeeshan> unless it went to one of the strongest points on the car
[19:44:21] <zeeshan> (the frame)
[19:44:55] <zeeshan> the problem is you've got a roof with the ford expedition
[19:45:24] <zeeshan> you could make a rear strut bar and weld it off that and cut a hole in the roof and put a rubber grommet there
[19:45:34] <zeeshan> but the structural point would be the strut bar.
[19:46:30] <Jymmm> HUH?! wth you talkin bout wilber?!
[19:46:54] <zeeshan> archivist: what is that?
[19:46:57] <Einar> Jymm: Ham?
[19:47:05] <Jymmm> I'm not driving down the freeway ay 70MPH with a 30ft mast ya goober =)
[19:47:19] <Jymmm> Einar: ya
[19:47:21] <Tom_itx> especially if you go under a bridge
[19:47:50] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: or drive through
[19:48:24] <Tom_itx> what are you gonna do with it?
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[19:48:42] <Jymmm> I already said like 5 times
[19:48:45] <Jymmm> *sugh*
[19:48:48] <Jymmm> sigh
[19:48:53] <Tom_itx> i didn't read the logs
[19:49:17] <Jymmm> just scroll back
[19:51:56] <Jymmm> This is the facotry roof rack. The front rail is fixed, the rear is adjustable, but the bars are not square, more oval http://www.hermesautoparts.com/productimages/1998%20Ford%20Expedition%20XLT%20-%20Roof%20Rack1.jpg
[19:52:53] <Jymmm> Kinda like this http://www.maxmotors.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/2012-Ford-Escape-Roof-Rack-e1342798507971.jpg
[19:53:04] <zeeshan> whoops
[19:53:06] <zeeshan> didnt see the roof rack
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[19:56:04] <Einar> Could you mount it on the trailer hitch with struts to the front of the roof rack?
[19:57:32] <Jymmm> I want to utilize the roof rack. I'm just look for ideas for a bracket to MOUNT to the cross bars of the existing roof rack as they are oval.
[19:57:49] <Jymmm> and tapered too.
[19:58:05] <Jymmm> On the ends, 4" wide, in the middle about 3" wide.
[19:58:31] <Jymmm> )( <--- like that
[19:58:47] <Jymmm> but 4ft long
[19:58:59] <Jymmm> (or tall in the case of the ascii art)
[19:59:02] <Einar> You need a cnc mill to make brackets. ;-)
[19:59:12] <zeeshan> never
[19:59:21] <Jymmm> wouldn't matter, it's the taper thats the issue.
[19:59:46] <Jymmm> they are hollow aluminum, so if I crank down I think they'l collapse
[20:00:12] <Einar> Not if you machine the brackets to the shape of the tubes?
[20:00:13] <Jymmm> They're strong, as long as you dont' crush them
[20:00:50] <Jymmm> YEah, well no.
[20:01:36] <Jymmm> I'm sure there is somethign already out there, just unknown to me.
[20:02:32] <zeeshan> Jymmm: curious to get some parameters from u
[20:02:38] <zeeshan> how fast will you travel with it
[20:02:44] <zeeshan> and its 30 feet tall by how wide?
[20:02:46] <Jymmm> They have these roof baskets that mount to roof racks (rails?), just not sure HWO they are mounting them http://rackattackcoquitlam.files.wordpress.com/2011/11/photo2.jpg
[20:03:03] <zeeshan> i think those are screwed in
[20:03:05] <Jymmm> HOW*
[20:03:10] <zeeshan> to the structural refinrocement of the roof
[20:03:23] <XXCoder> Jymmm: must be hollow?
[20:03:37] <Jymmm> The baskets distribute any load on/in them.
[20:03:40] <XXCoder> if not you could put wood where clamp would be placed in
[20:03:48] <XXCoder> so it wont deform inwards
[20:03:55] <zeeshan> http://johnhughes.hyundai.com.au/Images/UserUploadedImages/3909/Dual_Centre_Roofrail.jpg
[20:03:57] <zeeshan> kind of like that.
[20:04:13] <XXCoder> ahh car part. nm heh
[20:04:15] <zeeshan> i know SUVs have that
[20:04:17] <zeeshan> cars dont
[20:04:18] <Jymmm> Let me take some pics
[20:04:29] <zeeshan> Jymmm: please tell me the width
[20:04:34] <zeeshan> and height and speed
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[20:04:47] <zeeshan> i just wanna see what kind of force air will put on it
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[20:05:23] <Einar> Make a split "box" bracket. Wrap your roof rack in saran wrap. Then fill that box with bondo and clamp it on. Shave off some at the split and you have a perfect fitting clamp.
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[20:18:54] * Jymmm smacks the shit out of zeeshan! 2014-04-20.12:47:05 Jymmm: I'm not driving down the freeway ay 70MPH with a 30ft mast ya goober =)
[20:19:02] <zeeshan> O
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[20:22:11] <Jymmm> Ok, this IDEA, but using a 12" piece of PVC conduit that the mast would slip into http://www.qsl.net/ke6d/images/Antennas/MastBase1.jpg
[20:22:58] <Jymmm> That mast would slip into the 12" piece, then carriage pin lock in place
[20:23:26] <Jymmm> The mast then can be tilted up or down as needed.
[20:24:26] <Jymmm> The mast is telescopic, and when collapsed, would rest/be clamped to the 2nd roof rail
[20:24:44] <Jymmm> in some fashion.
[20:24:59] <Jymmm> not clamped, but could be a bungy cord or whatever
[20:25:08] <Jymmm> just so it doens't bounce around
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[20:31:58] <PetefromTn_> LOL cracks me up..
[20:32:31] <zeeshan> what cracks you up
[20:33:18] <PetefromTn_> The Image of Jim smackin' the shit out of you for thinking he was gonna try to drive down the freeway with a 30' mast sticking out of an explorer..
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[20:33:51] <zeeshan> haha
[20:34:31] <PetefromTn_> and I mean that in the NICEST possible way man LOL
[20:34:57] <zeeshan> http://www.thegearbox.org/i//t56_input_shaft.jpg
[20:35:02] <zeeshan> i gotta measure the runout of this
[20:35:10] <zeeshan> i'm thinking surface plate
[20:35:15] <zeeshan> gauge blocks, and 2 v-blocks?
[20:35:36] <zeeshan> or..
[20:35:45] <zeeshan> 4 jaw chuck grab the tiny end
[20:35:57] <zeeshan> dial it in , and measure the runout on the other bearing end?
[20:35:58] <PetefromTn_> Put it between centers in your lathe.
[20:36:04] <zeeshan> hahah
[20:36:05] <zeeshan> or that.
[20:36:10] <zeeshan> see i love talking it out here :)
[20:36:17] <zeeshan> someones got a better way of doing it
[20:36:23] <Jymmm> Only one fucking photo in focus! lol
[20:36:46] <PetefromTn_> Or do like I do and slap a piece of drop stock in the headstock and turn a center on it
[20:37:08] <PetefromTn_> Why is it bent?
[20:37:12] <zeeshan> i don't know
[20:37:15] <zeeshan> thats what im checking for
[20:37:30] <zeeshan> im basically going through each component and checking if its within spec
[20:37:36] <zeeshan> so i can order the trans parts i need
[20:37:41] <zeeshan> and not waste money on replacing something thats good
[20:38:05] <PetefromTn_> Did you smoke your RX tranny?
[20:38:08] <zeeshan> no
[20:38:16] <zeeshan> building it so it can handle 700ft-lb
[20:38:25] <zeeshan> factory they are rated for 450ft-lb
[20:38:38] <zeeshan> but im checking everything so i dont get any nasty suprises laterr on
[20:39:06] <PetefromTn_> Send it out for cryo treatment
[20:39:22] <PetefromTn_> have them check it while it is there.
[20:39:40] <zeeshan> the local cryotreat is a cryotreat place only
[20:39:43] <zeeshan> not a machine shop
[20:39:51] <zeeshan> i have a manual, im just following it :P
[20:40:02] <PetefromTn_> OK
[20:40:15] <Jymmm> I MIGHT be able to use 1" wide x 1/8" aluminum bar stock to create an adjustable mountpint in the existing tracks
[20:40:55] <PetefromTn_> Jymmm How much does the shaft weigh I ask knowing the kinda answers I will be getting LOL
[20:41:21] <Jymmm> [_________________] <--- that's whats on the roof already, two five feet apart
[20:42:26] <Jymmm> [_________________] <--- that's whats on the roof already; two of them, five feet apart, which the oval shaped cross bars slide on and raised 3" off the roof, but curved
[20:42:45] <PetefromTn_> yeah I know my Astro van has similar stuff.
[20:43:21] <Jymmm> and there is "dimples" every 2" or so inside that track for a pin to lock the cross bars into
[20:43:46] <PetefromTn_> I would probably look to make some steel crossmounts that secure to the original longitudinal rails and tig weld on your mount somewhere in the middle.
[20:43:58] <Jymmm> stell rusts
[20:44:01] <Jymmm> steel
[20:44:07] <Jymmm> maybe SS
[20:44:09] <PetefromTn_> There are ways to prevent that...
[20:44:28] <Jymmm> But at only 1" wide, "shuoudn't" be an issue
[20:44:56] <PetefromTn_> but if they are as you say five feet apart which is surprising then aluminum will bend on you from the weight.
[20:45:05] <Jymmm> Of course I don't have any bar stock on hand, only angle
[20:45:16] <PetefromTn_> angle might actually be better..
[20:45:30] <Jymmm> wont slide inthe rails [__________]
[20:45:43] <Jymmm> it has to be end-fed
[20:45:51] <Jymmm> into the existing rails
[20:45:56] <PetefromTn_> use two opposing each other with the mount in between them and relieve the ends to fit into the rails.
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[20:46:07] <Jymmm> ?!
[20:46:19] <Jymmm> hang on
[20:47:11] <zeeshan> 1/8x1" 6061 flat bar bends like a wet noodle
[20:47:12] <zeeshan> :D
[20:47:12] <Jymmm> http://i61.tinypic.com/xbbm14.jpg
[20:47:23] <PetefromTn_> yeah I know..
[20:47:26] <zeeshan> but 1x1 angle is strong :D
[20:47:39] <zeeshan> Jymmm: that rail is awesome!
[20:47:44] <zeeshan> you could slide a angle in there
[20:47:49] <zeeshan> and bolt it on
[20:48:12] <Jymmm> [____] Again, note the [ ] and not | |
[20:48:16] <zeeshan> yes
[20:48:24] <zeeshan> flat bar might work better.
[20:48:30] <Jymmm> ANGLE WILL NOT SLIDE IN
[20:48:39] <zeeshan> flat bar will
[20:48:45] <Jymmm> NO SHIT?!
[20:48:48] <Jymmm> DUH
[20:48:51] <zeeshan> stop yelling
[20:48:56] <zeeshan> i'm only trying to fucking help
[20:49:08] <Jymmm> We'll I have to, cause you aint listening =)
[20:49:22] <PetefromTn_> I was talking about bars that run across from side to side not a single bar in one rail.
[20:49:23] <zeeshan> the angle of the pic made it look like you could slide angle in
[20:49:23] <Jymmm> I said angle wouldn't work =)
[20:49:25] <zeeshan> but i had to see it again
[20:49:46] <Jymmm> I COULD use SS bar though
[20:50:06] <zeeshan> how would you secure it though
[20:50:13] <Jymmm> tap it
[20:50:42] <Jymmm> the bolts would just seat in the dimples
[20:50:44] <PetefromTn_> You might be able to put a longer screw in where that original one is and make kind of a stud out of it to secure the mount.
[20:50:45] <zeeshan> like the way that rail is made it, it looks like you're supposed to use a t-bolt type of thing.
[20:50:49] <zeeshan> that clamps down
[20:51:19] <zeeshan> and uses the top and bottom faces of the top - edges of the [___]
[20:51:38] <Jymmm> zeeshan: I took off the crossbar, it uses a lever to push the pin down that seats in the dimples
[20:51:47] <zeeshan> ah
[20:52:26] <zeeshan> pete thats a bad ass idea
[20:52:29] <Jymmm> suns too bright to get a clear pic right now
[20:52:33] <zeeshan> using a long stud at the current location
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[20:54:26] <Jymmm> Ok, 1" bar to physically attach to the rails, on top of that maybe 1" or 3/4" 80/20 to raise up above the curvature of the roof itself?
[20:54:48] <Jymmm> that would be expensive though
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[20:55:01] <zeeshan> do you have a welder
[20:55:02] <Jymmm> Maybe just 1/2" square tubing
[20:55:06] <Jymmm> nope
[20:56:08] <Jymmm> My biggest thing is distributing the load in such a way that it doens't start to deform the cheap facotry rails
[20:56:23] <Jymmm> form repeated flexing back-and-fourth
[20:56:27] <Jymmm> from*
[20:58:30] <Jymmm> Cars are just tin these days.
[20:59:46] <Jymmm> If I use UV proof plastic block of some kind, then it wouldn't be solid/brittle, and just some flex
[20:59:53] <Jymmm> s/just/give/
[21:00:23] <Jymmm> THEN a cross bar of some sort yo munt a tilting bracket to
[21:00:30] <Jymmm> to mount*
[21:01:43] <Jymmm> a yolk if you will
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[21:02:59] <zeeshan> http://i.imgur.com/eHI2AMF.png
[21:03:06] <zeeshan> thats what i was trying to talk about
[21:03:17] <zeeshan> the bottom flat bar is a .375" thick piece, tapped
[21:03:31] <zeeshan> the top piece has a through hole
[21:03:46] <zeeshan> basically when you tighten the bolt down, it clamps on the edges of your current rail
[21:03:54] <zeeshan> and the top can be built into whatever you're trying to build?
[21:04:48] <Jymmm> zeeshan: I get the bottom bar; the top I question due to the CHEAP FACTORY RAILS may deform under pressure, but...
[21:05:00] <zeeshan> well you can extend these two flat bars
[21:05:02] <zeeshan> as long as you want
[21:05:09] <zeeshan> so distribute more area
[21:05:30] <zeeshan> if you can find out the thickness of the top raisl
[21:05:33] <Jymmm> I *might* be about to use shallow U-Bar for the top flipped upsidedown that "encases" the factory rails
[21:05:36] <zeeshan> (they look like steel)
[21:06:04] <Jymmm> zeeshan: Ha, yeah they are, maybe 18ga steel =)
[21:06:11] <Jymmm> with a plastice cover
[21:06:14] <PetefromTn_> I would probably remove the factory screw and create a new mount going across to each side secured with that screw or a longer screw and mount the antenna mount in the middle or at one end.
[21:07:58] <Jymmm> zeeshan: Like this, 2" wide, turned over http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/316jlaYW7fL._SL500_SS120_.jpg
[21:08:05] <zeeshan> shear stress = F / A = 100lb / (0.0478*10) = 209psi ---> 0.0478 = 209psi 18 gauge , 10inches is the length we could prolly use.
[21:08:07] <Jymmm> for the top half
[21:08:23] <zeeshan> shear strength of steel is 3rd sqrt of 30kpsi
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[21:08:43] <zeeshan> which is 519psi
[21:08:49] <zeeshan> so you'd have a factor of safety of 2
[21:08:55] <zeeshan> assuming your antenna weighed 100lb
[21:09:25] <zeeshan> Jymmm: that would work too (the u channel)
[21:09:31] <zeeshan> but i think itll be harder to find standard pieces
[21:09:49] <zeeshan> at least locally i know i have a hard time finding anything but 1x1 1x2 2x3 etc
[21:10:08] <Jymmm> fuck it, mount one of this the full length of the factory rails, one on each side http://www.frostelectric.com/WOE-IMAGES/00812567.jpg
[21:10:15] <zeeshan> hahah
[21:10:21] <zeeshan> unistrut is the best!
[21:10:40] <Jymmm> I then would have an adjustable rail system, and it would/should distribute the load
[21:10:57] <Jymmm> I think those are rust proof?
[21:11:05] <zeeshan> theyre usually zinc coated
[21:11:14] <zeeshan> but they won't last long just like that in the weather
[21:11:23] <zeeshan> you can always paint it
[21:11:49] <Jymmm> do they come in aluminum?
[21:11:56] <zeeshan> not that ive seen
[21:12:34] <Jymmm> fudge
[21:12:38] <zeeshan> they have em in stainless
[21:12:44] <Jymmm> really???
[21:12:48] <XXCoder> I got question, Ick said I could buy some rail in home depot, but didn't say what it would be
[21:12:53] <zeeshan> http://www.eberliron.com/1439/P10001-58%27%27x1-58%27%27UnistrutChannel-STAINLESSSTEEL/category/1051.html
[21:12:56] <zeeshan> yea it seems more common then aluminum
[21:13:06] <zeeshan> but damn its expensive
[21:13:25] <Jymmm> $14/ft
[21:14:05] <XXCoder> too bad he left as soon as he saw linuxcnc was updated lol
[21:15:23] <Jymmm> $1.90/ft, hell if it rusts, just replace it. would be cheaper than painting it http://www.homedepot.com/p/Superstrut-1-5-8-in-x-10-ft-12-Gauge-Metal-Framing-Channel-ZA12HS10PG/100156509
[21:16:02] <XXCoder> powder coat it
[21:16:14] <Jymmm> XXCoder: still cheaper to replace it =)
[21:16:21] <Jymmm> and easier too
[21:16:26] <XXCoder> lol guess so
[21:16:34] <XXCoder> use shitty $1 paint
[21:16:47] <XXCoder> it probably would extend it long enough to save $1 lol
[21:16:57] <Jymmm> eh, maybe
[21:18:22] <Jymmm> Let's see.... 6ft wide, leaves 2x 24" pieces to fit of the factory roof rails. I'd *Think* that would do well to distribute load/flexiing
[21:19:55] <PetefromTn_> Hell with it just screw it right to the rooftop LOL....
[21:20:22] <Jymmm> roof is curved, have to raise it up some
[21:20:23] <XXCoder> only thing that should be made well and can weather well is base
[21:20:28] <PetefromTn_> I was kidding..
[21:20:36] <XXCoder> you can easily swap rods that rust
[21:21:48] <PetefromTn_> Buy you a real nice safari rack and mount it to that.... http://www.rocky-road.com/media/fullrack1.jpg
[21:21:48] <Jymmm> Hmmm, I could even mount a solar panel to the unistrut too
[21:22:13] <Jymmm> PetefromTn_: Insert YOUR cc here --> [ ]
[21:22:27] <PetefromTn_> cc?
[21:22:31] <XXCoder> File not found
[21:22:33] <Jymmm> credit card
[21:23:13] <Jymmm> dont they have galvenized unistrut?
[21:23:44] <PetefromTn_> There is a particular rack that lots of offroaders use that is not terrible expensive
[21:23:58] <Jymmm> PetefromTn_: More than $40 USD ?
[21:25:00] <PetefromTn_> sure but it is also more than just an antennae mount too..
[21:25:19] <Jymmm> and?
[21:25:55] <PetefromTn_> and you are probably just good with some metal parts screwed to the roof somehow for much less money.
[21:26:07] <Jymmm> =)
[21:27:02] <PetefromTn_> http://www.thedieselstop.com/forums/attachments/f14/6818d1268603908-my-rock-crawler-sportsmobile-dsc_0131.jpg Sell it and get one of these :D
[21:27:03] <Jymmm> They DO have aluminum unistrut, and its cheaper too https://www.platt.com/search.aspx?q=aluminum+unistrut
[21:27:25] <Jymmm> OH, nm, OUCH
[21:27:37] <Jymmm> That's per foot, not per stick.
[21:30:06] <PetefromTn_> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/02/Ford_explorer_offroad.jpg
[21:30:28] <XXCoder> https://sites.google.com/site/0miker0/home lol
[21:31:02] <XXCoder> thats exactly same controller as I have
[21:31:08] <XXCoder> so theorically I could build that
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[21:33:06] <XXCoder> home depot https://seriousrobotics.wordpress.com/route-x-my-home-built-cnc/
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[23:45:18] <KreAture> hmm
[23:45:28] <KreAture> My center coax dial indicator was more to ship than price!
[23:45:33] <KreAture> I am discussing it now
[23:45:54] <KreAture> why the heck run first class priority mail express flatrate when you can do normal box in post type $80 vs $26
[23:46:09] <KreAture> The meter is less than $60
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[23:56:52] <_methods> gotta love the coax
[23:57:15] <_methods> that's one of those life changing tools lol
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