#linuxcnc | Logs for 2014-04-19

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[00:01:59] <humble_sea_bass> it is soothing
[00:02:28] <humble_sea_bass> you might fuck yourself and your project but sometimes you just need to wail on things whith a hammer
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[00:02:49] <_methods> heheh
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[00:13:49] <PetefromTn_> I am the very model of a modern Major-General
[00:14:18] <PetefromTn_> I've information vegetable, animal, and mineral
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[00:14:37] <PetefromTn_> I know the kings of England, and I quote the fights historical
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[00:14:56] <PetefromTn_> From Marathon to Waterloo, in order categorical;
[00:15:09] <PetefromTn_> feel free to sing along ;)
[00:15:35] <PetefromTn_> I'm very well acquainted, too, with matters mathematical,
[00:15:50] <moorbo> wolfram alpha just quoted me that
[00:15:52] <PetefromTn_> I understand equations, both the simple and quadratical
[00:16:00] <moorbo> in their math details section.
[00:16:09] <PetefromTn_> About binomial theorem I'm teeming with a lot o' news
[00:16:49] <PetefromTn_> moorbo sweet!
[00:16:58] <moorbo> PetefromTn_: I was quite surpried
[00:17:07] <moorbo> i thought I was reading about quadratics
[00:17:10] <PetefromTn_> With many cheerful facts about the square of the hypotenuse
[00:17:15] <moorbo> not pirtes of penzanxe quotes
[00:17:28] <moorbo> pirates*
[00:17:29] <PetefromTn_> Love that play...
[00:17:36] <moorbo> it is an excellent one
[00:17:40] <moorbo> i'd love to see it live
[00:17:43] <moorbo> same as Evil dead
[00:17:47] <PetefromTn_> kevin Kline was funny in it.
[00:18:10] <PetefromTn_> He was hilarious in a Fish called Wanda.
[00:18:38] <moorbo> you a machinist?
[00:18:50] <PetefromTn_> No but I play one on TV..
[00:18:55] <PetefromTn_> ;)
[00:19:16] <PetefromTn_> Let's put it this way.... I MACHINE things.
[00:19:23] <moorbo> right on
[00:19:27] <PetefromTn_> Sometimes they come out the way I want them to.....sometimes not.
[00:19:49] <moorbo> I'm looking to get into the scene
[00:19:51] <moorbo> since idling here.
[00:20:03] <moorbo> since = hence
[00:20:04] <PetefromTn_> a MACHINIST is a skilled professional with vast knowledge of speeds and feeds and everything accuracy reltated.
[00:20:15] <moorbo> PetefromTn_: I'm a tradesmen
[00:20:16] <moorbo> I realize
[00:20:22] <moorbo> I don't need explainations.
[00:20:27] <PetefromTn_> I work in a machine shop and I run a small fab shop from my home.
[00:20:42] <PetefromTn_> I know I am just busting your chops :D
[00:20:54] <moorbo> ;p
[00:21:27] <PetefromTn_> I have made some rather precise stuff before and the shop I work in we make some pretty tight parts on occasion.
[00:21:55] <moorbo> right on
[00:22:41] <moorbo> I'd ran a lathe a few times to fix flanges
[00:22:50] <PetefromTn_> I have taught myself basically everything I know about it over the last 20 years or so. never went to a formal school just bought machines and learned in the school of hard knocks...
[00:22:50] <moorbo> and I have a 3d printer
[00:22:58] <moorbo> thats as far as my cnc experience goes.
[00:24:21] <PetefromTn_> hey at least it is something.
[00:24:47] <PetefromTn_> I learn something new every day I go to work about machining parts. There is TONS to know...
[00:25:37] <moorbo> yeah for sure
[00:25:41] <witnit> not to mention the getting to know the charactor of every machine
[00:26:07] <PetefromTn_> There are lots of good informational videos on youtube you can learn a lot from to get the basics...
[00:26:39] <moorbo> any of you see the p5 ?
[00:26:51] <witnit> ?
[00:26:53] <PetefromTn_> whatsa P5?
[00:27:00] <moorbo> http://www.pocketnc.com/products/
[00:27:10] <moorbo> it's a 5 axis milling machine
[00:27:19] <moorbo> its basically what wanted me to get into machining
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[00:28:03] <witnit> it looks like a really nice machine for a guy that made his own robotics/rc small hobby custom parts
[00:28:04] <archivist> you may want a better mechanical design that that
[00:28:08] <PetefromTn_> would not even know where to begin programming it.
[00:28:09] <humble_sea_bass> it is 25lbs
[00:28:25] <humble_sea_bass> good luck machining anything tougher than jello
[00:28:32] <witnit> I would not machine anything other than plastic or aluminum
[00:28:43] <moorbo> its apparently more than able to machine steel
[00:28:51] <moorbo> so they say on their website
[00:28:55] <moorbo> probably very slowly.
[00:29:01] <witnit> its just to lightweight with that rotary table hanging out there
[00:29:01] <humble_sea_bass> ppl say all sorts of shit
[00:29:08] <moorbo> yes they do
[00:29:23] <witnit> it would cause you issues if you wanted to do serious work I think
[00:29:38] <moorbo> I was kinda worried about the arc minutes
[00:29:42] <moorbo> and their repeatability
[00:29:59] <witnit> what would be your primary material?
[00:30:08] <moorbo> alu
[00:30:10] <moorbo> or delrin
[00:30:14] <Jymmm> asbestos
[00:30:32] <Jymmm> =)
[00:30:33] <witnit> I would build my own machine if it was me, but that would teach you just, tonnnssss
[00:30:40] <moorbo> my plan was to use it as a 3 + 2 machine
[00:30:44] <witnit> and little effort
[00:30:49] <humble_sea_bass> friable asbestos blocks
[00:30:54] <humble_sea_bass> classy
[00:31:16] <_methods> what are you going to make 5 axis toolpaths with?
[00:31:23] <moorbo> i have access to mastercam
[00:31:28] <moorbo> and hypermill
[00:31:32] <_methods> you good then
[00:31:44] <humble_sea_bass> a pirated copy of mastercam, and his face then explodes
[00:31:54] <moorbo> its not pirated
[00:32:01] <moorbo> nor does it belong to be
[00:32:05] <humble_sea_bass> because if you thought mastercam was a pain in the ass in 3 axes
[00:32:05] <moorbo> hence the word access and not have.
[00:32:13] <moorbo> be = me
[00:32:35] <humble_sea_bass> I would get 2 of those then
[00:32:45] <moorbo> heh ;p
[00:33:00] <moorbo> witnit: I learned quite a bit from my 3d printer
[00:33:16] <moorbo> witnit: but thats a simpler machine, I think
[00:33:20] <witnit> much
[00:33:27] <moorbo> I don't really know much about spindles
[00:33:34] <moorbo> and using collets, and etc
[00:33:38] <witnit> with a machining center you are learning more of the trade of working material
[00:33:49] <witnit> and not so much about the programming
[00:33:53] <humble_sea_bass> this isn't going to teach you anything about spindles or collets
[00:34:12] <moorbo> humble_sea_bass: no it wouldn't. but it'd get me going
[00:34:14] <witnit> yes programming is a big part but you really learn alot about "How" to machine
[00:34:43] <moorbo> humble_sea_bass: I'm more or less just asking suggestions about it if it seems like it's worth it.
[00:35:00] <humble_sea_bass> i dunno dog, a 4 axis whatever will teach you more than this little jammy
[00:35:02] <_methods> and now i have to retract my "you're good to go" statement
[00:35:02] <moorbo> or to just ignore it and find something
[00:35:04] <witnit> how much is it?
[00:35:06] <moorbo> or build something.
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[00:35:50] <moorbo> witnit: I think they're looking for quite a bit
[00:35:52] <moorbo> 3000$
[00:35:57] <witnit> oh god hgahgaha
[00:35:58] <witnit> nooooooooooo
[00:36:01] <humble_sea_bass> haha
[00:36:47] <humble_sea_bass> if you have 3 grand to burn on this thing, you can spend 1000k and get soemthing useful and 2 grand to upgrade it when the machinist's autism kicks in
[00:37:20] <moorbo> machinist's autism ;p?
[00:37:20] <witnit> use this as an example
[00:37:25] <witnit> http://www.ebay.com/itm/OKUMA-MODEL-6V-VERTICAL-CNC-MACHINING-CENTER-WITH-OSP-5000M-CONTROL-/161275475528?pt=US_Heavy_Equipment&hash=item258cc47648
[00:37:38] <witnit> it is less than $3000
[00:37:48] <moorbo> I also can't lift or move it
[00:38:03] <witnit> imagine what you could really get with 3000
[00:38:04] <moorbo> but by your reaction 3k for such a machine is a waste of money
[00:38:11] <_methods> man if i were you i'd start with one of those ebay 3020's
[00:38:14] <_methods> or 6040's
[00:38:17] <witnit> much much more than for 3000
[00:38:18] <_methods> cut your teeth on that
[00:38:28] <moorbo> are they half decent?
[00:38:34] <moorbo> I hear sometiems good things about the 6040
[00:38:49] <_methods> for learning they're perfect
[00:38:52] <witnit> did you build your own printer?
[00:38:56] <moorbo> yeah
[00:39:10] <witnit> you could piece together a cnc mill yourself
[00:39:11] <moorbo> I have a delta, and a regular cart
[00:39:40] <witnit> same concepts just choose your materials wisely and for less than 800 you could put together a very sound machine
[00:39:52] <humble_sea_bass> moorbo, get a taig mill for 900 bux, convert it to cnc, figure out everything that sucks about it, upgrade it some more, and then be a king
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[00:40:04] <moorbo> any recommendations on spindles and that
[00:40:04] <witnit> how big can you go?
[00:40:06] <moorbo> or something to read
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[00:40:47] <moorbo> witnit: I would expect I wouldn't need a build volume larger than half a cubic foot.
[00:40:53] <humble_sea_bass> moorbo: the be all end all of spindles are variable frequency drives that are water cooled and shit
[00:41:33] <moorbo> variable frequency drives.
[00:41:41] <humble_sea_bass> Vee Eff Deee
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[00:42:01] <witnit> he wouldnt need such a thing on such a small platform I wouldnt think
[00:42:05] <witnit> but to each his own
[00:42:24] <moorbo> witnit: you're right, I wouldn't
[00:42:37] <witnit> I would suggest looking at some small knee mills
[00:42:43] <moorbo> witnit: it's kinda why that p5 seemed so appealing it was more or less exactly what I was looking for
[00:42:46] <witnit> I think I can show you an example
[00:42:56] <humble_sea_bass> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IPUy9QYh0xc
[00:42:57] <moorbo> though, the extra 2 axis' were a bonus
[00:43:09] <witnit> ok
[00:43:14] <witnit> sooo something similar to this
[00:43:17] <witnit> http://www.ebay.com/itm/HARDINGE-CATARACT-BB2-VERTICAL-MILLING-MACHINE-WORKS-GREAT-/191116467929?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2c7f6dded9
[00:43:21] <witnit> will last you a lifetime
[00:43:22] <humble_sea_bass> here is count chocula talking about spindles
[00:43:30] <witnit> and you can REALLY do actual machining on it,
[00:43:53] <witnit> so if you can handle the size, that would be a very good route to take in the long run
[00:43:59] <witnit> and you can do harder materials
[00:44:04] <moorbo> witnit: ahh my other thing was that it had to go into my apartment
[00:44:07] <moorbo> ;p
[00:44:16] <moorbo> humble_sea_bass: neat machine
[00:44:49] <witnit> its hard for me to suggest to you tools I would not use myself, which are most machines smaller than that one I showed you
[00:45:25] <moorbo> witnit: right...well thanks regardless
[00:45:28] <moorbo> I know your feeling
[00:45:42] <moorbo> I always recommend machines I use to my apprentices
[00:45:42] <witnit> however, if you find the right "slides" you can have a nice xy table I suggest looking for steel on steel slides if you build your own
[00:46:06] <moorbo> witnit: linear slides/rails you mean?
[00:46:22] <witnit> depending on what you are doing, dovetail slided can be nice too
[00:46:43] <witnit> slides*
[00:46:55] <witnit> look for a lathe, cross traverse
[00:47:26] <witnit> sometimes those can be useful in making your own linear system affordably
[00:47:42] <witnit> and the size is good for you, also lead screws
[00:48:52] <witnit> if you build your own machine you can fit it in your home and it be really solid, but I its really hard to find a quality desktop lathe or mill which is affordable
[00:48:52] <shaun413> guys want to see some lathe pron?
[00:48:57] <witnit> yep
[00:49:07] <shaun413> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NmqkeLp_amI#t=889
[00:50:38] <witnit> that guy has a nice tool post ;) ;)
[00:50:44] <shaun413> :p
[00:50:57] <shaun413> all that coolant ;)
[00:51:24] <witnit> hahah ohhh get outta a here hahaha
[00:51:27] <witnit> thats too much
[00:51:28] <witnit> ahaha
[00:51:28] <moorbo> you should be watching BOST stuff
[00:51:40] <moorbo> if you want lathe porn
[00:52:05] <shaun413> lol
[00:52:33] <shaun413> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Za0t2Rfjewg
[00:52:37] <shaun413> Im actually watching this
[00:53:18] <moorbo> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F2Wxfn5_pbA
[00:53:21] <witnit> http://www.ebay.com/itm/CUSHMAN-PRECISION-12-X-16-XY-COMPOUND-CROSS-SLIDE-MACHINIST-TABLE-/231202284177?pt=BI_Tool_Work_Holding&hash=item35d4bae291
[00:53:42] <witnit> moorbo imagine two descent stepper motors on something like that
[00:53:47] <witnit> and then... just keep imaginine
[00:53:51] <witnit> ing*
[00:54:27] <moorbo> heh
[00:54:34] <moorbo> nice looking bed
[00:54:35] <witnit> then go back and think about that other machine you were considering for 3000, im sure you will see the difference
[00:54:38] <humble_sea_bass> that cushman looks mad dank
[00:54:42] <humble_sea_bass> i'm down wit it
[00:54:58] <witnit> yeah ask anyone in here
[00:55:28] <witnit> if you can are smart enough and ambitious enough you will have a VERY nice machine to last you if you build in those ways instead
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[00:56:33] <humble_sea_bass> i think aiming for perfect is not a good idea
[00:56:58] <moorbo> witnit: I think building will be the better option
[00:57:01] <moorbo> like you said
[00:57:13] <humble_sea_bass> committing to a reasonably priced low tier solution is optimal, because you can say "this is ok, but it sucks because _____
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[00:57:41] <shaun413> so wwhat should I commit to?
[00:57:47] <witnit> well, take your time and see what other people are doing I think you will find that if you use these tools often you will actually save yourself alot of time
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[00:58:19] <witnit> alot of guys that do buy like an harbor freight and then actually get into machining
[00:58:26] <witnit> ditch it and buy a real machine or build one
[00:58:36] <shaun413> hf is cheap
[00:58:40] <shaun413> also a doorstop
[00:58:57] <witnit> so its really a matter of how serious you will be about your machine in the future
[00:59:02] <witnit> shaun knows hahaha
[00:59:10] <humble_sea_bass> shaun413: you're hopeless and you sit on a spot in autistic spectrum which prevents you from making decisions because you theorycraft min/max
[00:59:15] <witnit> HAHAHHAHA
[00:59:20] <shaun413> so?
[00:59:27] <witnit> decide shaun!
[00:59:31] <humble_sea_bass> so ther you go
[00:59:32] <witnit> you must buy your lathe
[00:59:38] <shaun413> i cnt afford much more than HF
[00:59:52] <humble_sea_bass> make a good decision, make a bad decision, but choose
[01:00:05] <witnit> I second that motion
[01:00:08] <CaptHindsight_> nah it's just negative attention, don't feed it
[01:00:25] <witnit> hungriest of them all
[01:00:36] <humble_sea_bass> it is the lemniscate of trollinf
[01:01:23] <shaun413> :/
[01:01:24] <witnit> http://www.practicalmachinist.com/vb/antique-machinery-history/bench-mill-lathe-parts-id-needed-186826/
[01:01:32] <shaun413> I just want to get a start
[01:01:36] <shaun413> and make some small items
[01:02:01] <witnit> something like this would also be alright to start with as well, it would atleast provide a solid XYZ base
[01:02:04] <humble_sea_bass> the long con troll
[01:02:11] <humble_sea_bass> i gotta hand it to you
[01:02:15] <shaun413> give it up humble_sea_bass
[01:02:18] <shaun413> Im not a troll
[01:02:24] <witnit> nothing tooo heavy but also capable of taking cuts in steel at a reasonable rate
[01:02:28] <humble_sea_bass> what small items are you making
[01:02:45] <shaun413> 3d printer hotend, models
[01:02:51] <shaun413> maybe watch parts
[01:02:57] <shaun413> rc parts
[01:03:01] <CaptHindsight_> when he mentioned wanting to design a melt pump for FDM he just took a leap into the doodoo
[01:03:04] <humble_sea_bass> comedy watch parts
[01:03:54] <CaptHindsight_> I haven't seen anyone banned in here for over a year
[01:04:18] <witnit> heh, this is a really chill bunch
[01:04:26] <witnit> they guy must have been pretty bad
[01:04:42] <witnit> prolly asking the same question over an over hahah
[01:04:59] <shaun413> o.0
[01:05:42] <witnit> watch the price on that cushman slide go up
[01:05:46] <witnit> 15 mins left :)
[01:05:58] <witnit> gets me all excited
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[01:06:05] <shaun413> link?
[01:06:12] <witnit> its above
[01:06:47] <witnit> very good tool there
[01:06:51] <shaun413> So
[01:07:00] <shaun413> you guys really recommmend a mill over a lathe?
[01:07:07] <witnit> well, im a machinist and it gets me all happy
[01:07:09] <witnit> huh?
[01:07:15] <shaun413> ive been told this
[01:07:18] <witnit> thats apples and oranged dood
[01:07:21] <witnit> oranges*
[01:07:27] <shaun413> how?
[01:07:40] <witnit> two totally different machines made for different things
[01:07:47] <witnit> you cannot recommend one over the other
[01:08:02] <shaun413> do i need both?
[01:08:16] <witnit> if you dont know that you need it, you probably dont need it
[01:09:05] <witnit> I use mine once a week, and my lathe three times as often
[01:09:15] <shaun413> what do you make?
[01:09:19] <witnit> but I maked turned parts for a living
[01:09:22] <witnit> not millwork
[01:09:27] <shaun413> what is it"?
[01:09:33] <witnit> many parts
[01:09:44] <shaun413> is this a good way to make money?
[01:09:52] <witnit> yes?
[01:09:58] <shaun413> hhmmm
[01:10:03] <shaun413> you think I could?
[01:10:28] <witnit> of course you could
[01:10:34] <shaun413> 0.o
[01:10:41] <shaun413> what do you make?
[01:10:55] <witnit> I will show an example of a job one might make with a cnc
[01:11:01] <shaun413> OK!
[01:11:09] <witnit> that would be a turned part that you could profit and sell on ebay
[01:12:08] <witnit> http://www.ebay.com/itm/TAP-HANDLE-FERRULE-STANDARD-5-16-18-TOP-3-8-16-BOTTOM-THREAD-1-LONG-250-PCS-/121311075227?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item1c3eb41b9b
[01:13:12] <witnit> I can pump those out at about 14 seconds
[01:13:26] <witnit> on a multispindle automatic lathe
[01:13:32] <shaun413> yeah but 250 of them
[01:13:39] <shaun413> how much does that cost raw?
[01:13:50] <witnit> you would have to quote the material
[01:13:58] <witnit> so bar length 12ft
[01:14:13] <witnit> and part is prolly an inch
[01:14:28] <witnit> so count up how many bars it would take and call a supplier
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[01:16:15] <shaun413> what do you think I could make?
[01:16:21] <shaun413> if hotends dont work
[01:16:45] <witnit> I couldnt begin to guess
[01:16:51] <shaun413> ://
[01:17:11] <humble_sea_bass> hold on shawn, let me stop doing the math for my hot mess of a life and figure out how I can make you money with frosting nozzles
[01:17:15] <witnit> I dont think you are going to start a profitable business with less than $1000 and your current knowlege
[01:17:29] <shaun413> ...
[01:17:32] <witnit> haha yes, lemme just run that through my spreadsheet
[01:17:43] <shaun413> ?
[01:18:13] <humble_sea_bass> oh, you didnt get a copy of the So You Want To Be A Machinist spreadsheet
[01:18:17] <humble_sea_bass> ?
[01:18:45] <PetefromTn_> I need a copy here man...
[01:18:56] <_methods> omg is this still going on
[01:19:04] <_methods> mah brain
[01:19:08] <humble_sea_bass> war
[01:19:08] <witnit> your carriage is so far ahead of your horse its not even possible for me to help you decide such things ahahha
[01:19:11] <humble_sea_bass> war never changes
[01:19:33] <moorbo> shaun413: your best bet is to find a reason to buy the machine
[01:19:41] <witnit> yeaaah mooorbo
[01:19:43] <witnit> give it to em
[01:19:43] <shaun413> to make money
[01:19:51] <witnit> we been at this a week now with shaun
[01:19:54] <moorbo> rather than hoping you'll have a reason to find when you own it
[01:19:58] <humble_sea_bass> no! drugs shawn, drugs
[01:20:10] <moorbo> witnit: I know shaun413 from the reprap side ;p
[01:20:11] <witnit> flip dat fluff
[01:20:15] <witnit> ahahahahah
[01:20:19] <witnit> I see I see
[01:20:34] <humble_sea_bass> it has been two weeks now
[01:20:37] <humble_sea_bass> maybe 3
[01:20:42] <shaun413> moorbo can vvouch for my awesomeness
[01:20:43] <witnit> ughh really?
[01:20:56] <humble_sea_bass> is he as hopeless and autistic over at #reprap?
[01:21:02] <moorbo> I can vouch for your odd questioning
[01:21:05] <moorbo> thats for sure
[01:21:15] <shaun413> but I get things done
[01:21:21] <witnit> I should do a search for "lathe" on the linuxcnc chat logs and count how many times I see his name
[01:21:22] <humble_sea_bass> or is #reprap trying to pawn him off on us?
[01:21:23] <moorbo> have you bought a lathe yet
[01:21:33] <shaun413> no
[01:21:35] <moorbo> humble_sea_bass: some of this some of that
[01:21:40] <moorbo> then I don't think you got anything done yet
[01:21:40] <humble_sea_bass> he gets dick done
[01:21:52] <shaun413> .
[01:21:55] <moorbo> you've been asking about lathes over there since I started seeing you in the channel
[01:22:14] <witnit> ohh such a small world
[01:22:20] <humble_sea_bass> its pretty clear he needs a network wide b an
[01:22:27] <_methods> oh dayum
[01:22:30] <_methods> kline indeed
[01:23:45] <witnit> 20 seconds!
[01:24:22] <witnit> there goes your X and Y moorbo :)
[01:24:37] <moorbo> witnit: hehh
[01:24:46] <PetefromTn_> moorbo You should watch these videos in order to the end...lots of nice tips and ideas to learn here.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q7UvwyLSdsM
[01:25:04] <moorbo> PetefromTn_: thank you!
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[01:25:55] <witnit> you guys notice how high priced the hardware stores have gotten
[01:26:02] <PetefromTn_> Tubalcain is a good source if technique for machining and learning how to measure and setup stuff....and the videos are very explanatory.
[01:26:29] <witnit> this guy is usuing all the right tools too
[01:26:34] <witnit> looks like he has a solid shop
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[01:28:24] <PetefromTn_> yup he is no joke.
[01:28:31] <witnit> pete
[01:28:38] <witnit> you ever use a geometric die head
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[01:30:30] <ReadError> tubalcain has some good vids
[01:30:32] <ReadError> for sure
[01:30:32] <PetefromTn_> no but I have seen them. Interesting tools. Do you use them on your screw machines?
[01:30:38] <witnit> yes
[01:30:45] <witnit> they are great even for a cnc
[01:31:13] <witnit> simple use
[01:31:58] <PetefromTn_> I am just looking forward to getting my rigid tap feedback working on the VMC here LOL
[01:32:22] <witnit> ooh
[01:32:23] <R2E4> Did you get your encoder installed on your spindle?
[01:33:32] <shaun413> witnit, $162.48
[01:33:34] <PetefromTn_> Nope not yet.
[01:33:35] <shaun413> that cushmann
[01:33:55] <witnit> its a nice tool shaun,it could have gone to 250
[01:34:01] <shaun413> cool
[01:34:05] <witnit> sometimes you will see guys fight over them
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[01:38:26] <shaun413> oh boy
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[01:52:46] <witnit> moorbo "some" people are into these but you would want to keep in mind this is a horozontal mill, so you would have to add your own spindle
[01:52:48] <witnit> http://www.ebay.com/itm/CRAFTSMAN-CHANGE-O-MATIC-BENCH-MILLING-MACHINE-MODEL-10115500-NEEDS-REBUILT-/131169462197?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item1e8a4f27b5
[01:53:23] <moorbo> witnit: thats a different design
[01:53:28] <moorbo> don't think I've ever seen one like that
[01:53:37] <witnit> yes they use a horozontal spindle
[01:54:07] <witnit> not good for doing drilling and tapping or pockets, these are good for large linear cuts
[01:54:29] <witnit> but if you are just using xyz it is a good base, not as good as that cushman
[01:54:43] <witnit> but better than harbor freight and aluminum beds
[01:55:41] <shaun413> :/
[01:55:48] <shaun413> everything is betteer than HF
[01:55:59] <shaun413> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wnv0DAR_gWA
[01:56:03] <shaun413> this is better than a HF lathe
[01:56:13] <witnit> agreed
[01:56:27] <moorbo> witnit: alu extrusion beds you mean?
[01:56:36] <witnit> yeah they are not ridgid
[01:56:55] <shaun413> uses his toes to guid the blade
[01:56:56] <shaun413> :/
[01:56:57] <moorbo> I'm kinda weary of them
[01:57:06] <witnit> and they tend to mar up easily causing your tools to lift of the sirface and loser good contact
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[01:57:13] <witnit> off*
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[01:57:58] <witnit> vibration and flexing is also an issue
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[02:06:24] <shaun413> anyone know the best heatsink design?
[02:06:40] <shaun413> I need to keep heat in one area, and make it cool rapidly outside of that area
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[02:15:43] <witnit> Im betting this one goes unanswered
[02:18:55] <moorbo> shaun413: didn't you say you did somethinh in school about plans
[02:19:03] <shaun413> No??
[02:19:09] <moorbo> planes*
[02:19:14] <shaun413> Oh yes
[02:19:31] <moorbo> and thermodynamics
[02:19:34] <moorbo> never came into play
[02:19:35] <shaun413> yep
[02:19:40] <moorbo> and heat dissapation ?
[02:19:41] <shaun413> didnt take it yet
[02:19:45] <moorbo> spelt correctly*
[02:21:35] <moorbo> shaun413: I'd probably recommend looking at cpu heat sinks
[02:21:53] <moorbo> and then the wii u heat sink
[02:21:57] <shaun413> well yes
[02:21:59] <moorbo> and probably a xbox one
[02:22:06] <shaun413> most have copper cores and alum fins
[02:22:21] <moorbo> the wii u has a very interesting heatsink
[02:22:37] <witnit> maybe a small alchohol engine would givce some cylindrical designs.....
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[02:23:02] <shaun413> moorbo, this is for a hotend...
[02:23:37] <moorbo> so
[02:23:42] <moorbo> it's very basic then
[02:23:58] <moorbo> shaun413: look at other peoples hotend designs
[02:24:16] <moorbo> most hotends have questionable ideas
[02:24:19] <shaun413> ^
[02:24:22] <shaun413> weird ideas
[02:24:26] <moorbo> but
[02:24:27] <shaun413> that arent easy to machine
[02:24:30] <moorbo> the nice thing is
[02:24:37] <moorbo> shaun413: thats just the jhead
[02:24:42] <shaun413> ^
[02:24:44] <shaun413> yup...
[02:24:57] <moorbo> anyways, the nice thing is that the hotends have a lot of iterations
[02:25:04] <moorbo> and hundreds of testers
[02:25:07] <moorbo> so they work well
[02:25:20] <skunkworks_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IkhlpdRWREE
[02:25:25] <moorbo> look at other hotends
[02:25:31] <moorbo> the arcol is easy to machine
[02:25:33] <shaun413> yeah
[02:25:37] <moorbo> same as others
[02:25:39] <shaun413> but how can I make it unique...
[02:25:46] <moorbo> why make it unique
[02:25:48] <moorbo> make it work
[02:25:50] <moorbo> and simple
[02:25:51] <shaun413> to sell more
[02:25:53] <moorbo> use npt threads
[02:26:07] <moorbo> shaun413: you'll never sell the reprap community
[02:26:13] <shaun413> ?
[02:26:18] <moorbo> from reprap
[02:26:25] <shaun413> if they dont know its me...
[02:26:26] <moorbo> they're too entrenched in known parts
[02:26:42] <moorbo> you'll be able to sell to everyone else though
[02:29:10] <moorbo> shaun413: I would make your own hotend
[02:29:14] <moorbo> and not try to copy othes
[02:29:19] <shaun413> im trying too
[02:29:20] <moorbo> but don't worry about making it unique
[02:29:21] <moorbo> make it work
[02:29:27] <moorbo> fix the known issues
[02:29:28] <witnit> lasers use heatsinks
[02:29:31] <shaun413> right
[02:29:47] <witnit> http://users.telenet.be/nihao/Laser/heatsink3.jpg
[02:29:48] <shaun413> known issues are ones that can do abs and pla are hard to find
[02:30:00] <moorbo> huh
[02:30:01] <shaun413> one that can do abs pla and nylon all in one would be nice
[02:30:06] <moorbo> every hotend can do abs and pla
[02:30:10] <shaun413> meh
[02:30:17] <shaun413> ed3 has a hard time with pla
[02:30:17] <moorbo> and nylon
[02:30:18] <moorbo> and PC
[02:30:22] <moorbo> ed3 is shit
[02:30:28] <shaun413> why?
[02:30:42] <moorbo> can they do pla?
[02:31:10] <shaun413> no
[02:31:50] <moorbo> case in point.
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[03:00:18] <shaun413> anyone here know how to add a slight amount of surface roubhness to glass?
[03:00:20] <shaun413> roughness
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[03:18:29] <Tom_itx> shaun413 acid or bead blast it
[03:18:48] <shaun413> :/
[03:20:50] <XXCoder> acid is easy to get even
[03:20:58] <XXCoder> and well dangerous a bit of course
[03:21:16] <shaun413> hmm
[03:21:21] <shaun413> is a bead blaster cheaper?
[03:21:33] <XXCoder> asssuming you got equipment
[03:21:37] <shaun413> no
[03:25:36] <XXCoder> then no, acid etching is cheaper, since blaster and air pressure equipment is not free
[03:26:14] <shaun413> i have compressors
[03:26:30] <XXCoder> not sure if renting blaster is cheaper than buying some acid
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[03:33:16] <bilboquet> hi, do you know what cutting tool to use for milling a LQFP pcb ? is some one can do it ?
[03:37:06] <XXCoder> sorry dunno, but didnt want no reply at all
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[04:49:49] <shaun413_> Hi
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[05:41:22] <witnit> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Johnson-Temp-controller-A419-w-Idec-relays-timer-lamps-alarm-from-AC-panel-/121321746757?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item1c3f56f145
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[13:27:44] <cnclx> have Turk?
[13:40:32] <cnclx> I don't good work my linux cnc
[13:40:50] <cnclx> which setting to choice , sherline?
[13:41:05] <cnclx> my cnc is 5mm pitch universal cnc
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[14:30:20] <PetefromTn_> Morning
[14:30:47] <XXCoder> morning
[14:32:07] <PetefromTn_> Nice to sleep in some this morning ;)
[14:32:24] <XXCoder> yeah, woke at 6:40 am. luxuriy of sleeping in
[14:32:42] <XXCoder> if it was workday I'd be late by whole hour and 10 min lol
[14:33:27] <_methods> ugh i woke up at 5am
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[14:34:30] <PetefromTn_> me about 9:30
[14:34:33] <_methods> did manage to fall back to sleep for a little
[14:36:10] <PetefromTn_> If it were not for my Siberian Husky wanting to go out I would probably still be asleep LOL
[14:36:29] <_methods> yeah that's what got me up......crzy dog
[14:36:38] <_methods> better than cleaning up piss at 5am though
[14:36:39] <_methods> lol
[14:38:14] <PetefromTn_> yeah my dog has a way of shaking his collar which clanks like a freakin cowbell when he needs to go out and if I TRY to ignore it he starts yelping like a mad dog until I get my ass up and let him out.
[14:40:04] <_methods> ah mine whines like some pathetic shelter dog that hasn't been fed for 3 months
[14:40:46] <_methods> i was gonna go grab some tubing from work today and weld up a stand for my mini mill
[14:41:07] <_methods> but then i saw some genius on the internet bought one of those cheap ass harbor freight tool boxes and attached his to that
[14:41:20] <PetefromTn_> You don't need a stand for a mini mill just use a folding couch dinner table LOL
[14:41:23] <_methods> so now it looks like i'm going to harbor freight lol
[14:41:29] <_methods> haha right
[14:41:42] <_methods> i have some twigs in the bag yard i was eyeballing
[14:42:50] <PetefromTn_> just get a bag of pipe cleaners and twist one up hehe
[14:42:55] <_methods> hahah
[14:43:22] <PetefromTn_> Actually I have one of those larger Harbor Freight roll around tool boxes here and it is REALLY nice...
[14:43:36] <PetefromTn_> It is like General branded or something.
[14:43:49] <PetefromTn_> It is quite heavy duty even with a lot of weight in the drawers.
[14:44:02] <PetefromTn_> They still roll nice and smooth and don't twist and bend.
[14:44:05] <_methods> yeah
[14:44:16] <_methods> hard to beat for the price
[14:44:23] <_methods> especially if i'm just gonna use it for a mill stand
[14:44:39] <_methods> by time i get done cuttin all the tubing, welding, grinding shit
[14:44:44] <PetefromTn_> http://www.harborfreight.com/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/i/m/image_23816.jpg
[14:44:48] <PetefromTn_> This is the one I have.
[14:44:56] <_methods> yeah i'll waste a whole day
[14:45:03] <_methods> and i can get one of those for nothing
[14:45:48] <_methods> got a 25% off coupon too
[14:46:02] <PetefromTn_> http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/picture.php?albumid=788&pictureid=6277 This is the upper for it. I would like to get it at some point.
[14:46:13] <PetefromTn_> They also sell side boxes and other stuff for it.
[14:46:59] <_methods> i got a kennedy so i could be cool
[14:47:07] <_methods> but in my garage i have harbor freight lol
[14:47:14] <PetefromTn_> When I bought it I got it used from a local guy and was not aware it was made by Harbor Freight.
[14:47:30] <PetefromTn_> I was actually quite surprised to find it was.
[14:47:39] <PetefromTn_> It is very heavy and well made.
[14:47:45] <_methods> wouldn't want to be seen in shop with harbor freight box lol
[14:48:03] <_methods> catty bitches would all be makin fun of me
[14:48:17] <PetefromTn_> I ALMOST bought that big Black Husky Box they had on sale at Home Depot last year.
[14:48:30] <PetefromTn_> One of the guys at the shop has one and it broke the other day.
[14:48:48] <PetefromTn_> The drawer was not even full and the slide had bent enough to drop the drawer out.
[14:48:49] <_methods> http://www.harborfreight.com/26-in-4-drawer-580-lb-capacity-glossy-black-roller-cart-61634.html
[14:48:55] <_methods> i think that's what i'm gonna get for it
[14:49:17] <_methods> even got a backsplash lol
[14:49:20] <PetefromTn_> Personally I could give a rats ass what other people think of my tools or boxes. As long as they work they are good enough for me.
[14:49:36] <_methods> oh man it's a fuckin fashion show at the shops i work at
[14:49:47] <_methods> you better have starret and mitutoyo
[14:49:50] <_methods> and kennedy box
[14:49:58] <PetefromTn_> Kennedy are nice boxes but they have very small shallow drawers..
[14:50:15] <_methods> man my craftsman does the same thing.........
[14:50:20] <_methods> and it was way less
[14:50:31] <PetefromTn_> I could fit everything my work friend has in his Kennedy in the top drawer of this General toolbos.
[14:50:34] <PetefromTn_> toolbox.
[14:50:35] <_methods> and i'm sure this harbor freight box will also do the "same" thing
[14:51:27] <PetefromTn_> I have been asked by several customers where I got my roll around and several had thought it was a mac or something.
[14:51:52] <PetefromTn_> It is quite nice really despite the price and origin. I am proud to have it in my shop.
[14:52:11] <PetefromTn_> The top drawer holds every one of my MANY pneumatic hand tools.
[14:52:20] <PetefromTn_> quite easily actually.
[14:52:32] <_methods> awww gawt dayum
[14:52:41] <_methods> 25% coupon no good on tool boxes
[14:53:07] <_methods> guess that means i can go get it today lol
[14:53:13] <PetefromTn_> I think this bottom box with their upper matching box would be enough toolbox for about anyone...
[14:53:55] <PetefromTn_> If you got TONS of heavy tools you can always add the sideboxes they sell.
[14:54:23] <_methods> i got a couple drawers FULL of taps, end mills, reamers and drills
[14:54:30] <PetefromTn_> yeah me too...
[14:54:41] <_methods> the junk drawers lol
[14:54:51] <_methods> i need to organize them and get those drill dividers
[14:54:59] <_methods> pain in the dick findin tap drills
[14:55:16] <PetefromTn_> I actually have two boxes here for my tools. One is a vertical craftsman style with upper and lower and the other is the much larger General box.
[14:55:51] <_methods> hehe tool junkies
[14:55:56] <PetefromTn_> You could put everything I have in the vertical box setup in the single lower box and have lots of room left over.
[14:56:14] <_methods> well i think i'm off to harbor freight
[14:56:21] <PetefromTn_> Good luck man.
[14:56:28] <_methods> thank you sir
[14:56:33] <PetefromTn_> Make sure you get one with locking castors.
[14:56:45] <_methods> yeah it doesn't look like it has lockers
[14:56:51] <_methods> i may just pull the casters
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[14:57:05] <_methods> put i really don't need it roll too much
[14:57:18] <_methods> and like you said a stiff breeze will pick that little chinese turd up
[14:57:23] <PetefromTn_> They sell some decent heavy duty castors there for cheap.
[14:57:32] <PetefromTn_> LOL
[14:57:41] <PetefromTn_> Just telling it like it is man...
[14:57:47] <_methods> hahah indeed
[14:57:51] <_methods> me too
[14:58:04] <_methods> it needs a lot of work
[14:58:09] <PetefromTn_> I could not believe how small it was when I first saw one.
[14:58:15] <_methods> but i think in the end it will do everything i need
[14:58:26] <_methods> i'm just using it for fun
[14:58:33] <_methods> i'm not actually tryin to do production on it
[14:58:42] <PetefromTn_> They are actually quite nice for hobby stuff..
[14:58:47] <_methods> yeah
[14:58:55] <PetefromTn_> Some guys go nutz with them.
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[14:59:10] <_methods> i want to throw a 4th on it so i can play around with more 4 axis toolpath stuff
[14:59:20] <PetefromTn_> Sounds like fun.
[14:59:28] <_methods> yeah i rarely get to do it at work
[14:59:37] <_methods> i just had to do a 4th axis job the other day though
[14:59:38] <PetefromTn_> I need to find me a nice Commercail Fourth axis that needs work or something for cheap
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[14:59:48] <_methods> auctions man
[14:59:53] <_methods> i see them go for nothing....
[14:59:55] <_methods> all the time
[15:00:00] <_methods> $500
[15:00:03] <_methods> hass rotabs
[15:00:05] <_methods> all day
[15:00:11] <_methods> haas even
[15:00:28] <_methods> bidspotter is your friend
[15:00:28] <PetefromTn_> Every time I went to an auction around here there were about a dozen rednecks with wads of cash in their pockets buying up everything in sight for what it costs new seemingly.
[15:00:40] <_methods> yeah you never know what's gonna get hit
[15:00:46] <_methods> i just went to one last week
[15:00:57] <_methods> 4 surface plated 6'x4'x6"
[15:01:00] <_methods> all went for $120
[15:01:13] <_methods> all the little stuff went for nothing
[15:01:23] <_methods> everyone was there fopr the same thing we were though
[15:01:26] <PetefromTn_> I would definitely be willing to put a couple hundred like that into a fourth from Haas or whoever even a 5c unit for the machine.
[15:01:30] <_methods> they had a big poreba 330" lathe
[15:01:43] <_methods> thing went for $75k
[15:02:06] <PetefromTn_> CNC?
[15:02:11] <_methods> they had a monster VTL that went for like $5k after that
[15:02:13] <_methods> nah manual
[15:02:30] <_methods> they did have a small cnc vertical that went for like $5k
[15:02:48] <PetefromTn_> Was watching the guy run those Okuma's yesterday at work. Some damn nice lathes man. Expensive as hell tho.
[15:02:54] <_methods> but check bidspotter they have online bidding
[15:03:00] <_methods> hell yeah
[15:03:05] <_methods> okuma is $$$$$$$
[15:03:19] <_methods> but with all the probes, auto offsets
[15:03:23] <PetefromTn_> You can hear it spinning up and down with the CSS working all day long.
[15:03:29] <_methods> it's worth it if you have a bunch of button monkeys
[15:03:32] <PetefromTn_> Makes some beautiful parts.
[15:03:53] <_methods> put a pile of metal in front of them and tell them to keep hittin that big green button
[15:04:09] <PetefromTn_> There is a couple Okuma Howas at the metal supplier I use in knoxville. Nice small footprint machines with decent size.
[15:04:22] <_methods> those are good machines
[15:04:27] <PetefromTn_> Also make some good parts.
[15:04:31] <_methods> we had one that was 25 years old still rockin it
[15:04:39] <PetefromTn_> Would love to get my hands on a used one of those in decent shape for a song.
[15:04:41] <_methods> take a cut like a beast too
[15:05:04] <PetefromTn_> Oh the shop has one Okuma there that is an 89 believe it or not and it STILL holds tenths...
[15:05:16] <_methods> we were usin it to turn down bearing journals on 3" dia feed rollers
[15:05:23] <PetefromTn_> Not quite as tight as the newer ones so they use it for less critical stuff.
[15:05:25] <_methods> yeah
[15:05:30] <_methods> they're slower
[15:05:41] <_methods> they don't change tools like these new dogs
[15:05:44] <_methods> but hey
[15:05:51] <_methods> they do it all day
[15:06:03] <PetefromTn_> All damn day long man. Printing money LOL...
[15:06:16] <PetefromTn_> I SO need one like that here..
[15:06:22] <_methods> that's what the guys makin inserts say..... :(
[15:06:33] <PetefromTn_> My 12x36 manual AINT cutting it LOL...
[15:07:05] <_methods> man i saw a nice little ikegai gang tool lathe go at an auction a few months ago for $1k
[15:07:13] <_methods> full blown cnc
[15:07:16] <_methods> running
[15:07:17] <PetefromTn_> Oh I like those Ikegai machines.
[15:07:18] <_methods> under power
[15:07:27] <_methods> my boss was gonna buy it for me
[15:07:30] <PetefromTn_> they are not terribly huge either.
[15:07:31] <_methods> and i was like no damnit
[15:07:38] <_methods> i don't know where the hell i'll put it
[15:07:43] <_methods> my wife will cut my nuts off
[15:07:49] <PetefromTn_> I had to laugh at the guy at the shop who runs most of the lathes.
[15:07:52] <_methods> killed me lettin that go
[15:08:12] <PetefromTn_> I asked him how he liked the Big Okumas they have there.
[15:08:22] <PetefromTn_> He was like yeah they are sweet and the control is easy to use.
[15:08:27] <_methods> yeah
[15:08:44] <PetefromTn_> Then he pointed at the brand new Haas turning center and said that thing is nice but it's a pussy....
[15:08:50] <_methods> yep
[15:08:57] <PetefromTn_> He said it had no balls.
[15:09:05] <_methods> man i don't know why anyone buys those things
[15:09:11] <_methods> you can get a doosan for the same price
[15:09:16] <_methods> and it's 1000x better
[15:09:36] <PetefromTn_> He uses a LOT of larger diameter insert drills and he said the Haas has stalled several times on him with even the smaller ones.
[15:10:02] <_methods> yeah the only good thing about a haas is they break so much
[15:10:03] <PetefromTn_> He said the Okuma will weld the metal before it stalls LOL.
[15:10:07] <_methods> the service guys are fuckin awesome
[15:10:28] <_methods> they come to fix a machine and they have every part to rebuild a whole haas
[15:10:40] <_methods> cause they have to lol
[15:10:44] <PetefromTn_> Thats true they have great support around here too..
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[15:10:59] <PetefromTn_> I cannot afford either one.
[15:10:59] <_methods> dude no one can service a machine like haas
[15:11:07] <_methods> i've never seen anything like it
[15:11:10] <PetefromTn_> I will have to settle for a nice used one I can get for a song.
[15:11:16] <_methods> they break so much their guys are super pros
[15:11:32] <PetefromTn_> Their mills are pretty nice tho I think.
[15:11:42] <_methods> they're ok
[15:11:48] <PetefromTn_> I will say their coolant enclosures are made of tinfoil.
[15:11:49] <_methods> just like your buddy on the lathe said
[15:11:54] <_methods> don't try and take a real cut
[15:12:08] <_methods> we can barely run high feed cutters on them
[15:12:17] <_methods> i stalled the spindle on one the other day
[15:12:19] <PetefromTn_> I dunno man we push them kinda hard over there makes me nervous a lot of the time.
[15:12:35] <_methods> haha if my spindle meter isn't on 80-100 something is wrong
[15:12:39] <PetefromTn_> But I am not terribly experienced with this stuff yet.
[15:13:05] <PetefromTn_> Yeah that is what they try to do over there.. load meter is swinging all the time. ;)
[15:13:06] <_methods> i used to get yelled at in my last shop
[15:13:18] <_methods> if the owner walked buy and the spindle wasn't loaded
[15:13:26] <_methods> or big gap between chips
[15:13:31] <_methods> wtf
[15:13:37] <_methods> reprogram that shit
[15:13:44] <_methods> you're wasting money
[15:13:54] <PetefromTn_> It's true unfortunately...
[15:14:06] <_methods> used to piss me off like a mofo
[15:14:10] <PetefromTn_> If you are not making chips and parts real fast money is flying out the window.
[15:14:16] <_methods> i'd put a nice leadin to keep it safe
[15:14:19] <_methods> and i get yelled at
[15:14:34] <PetefromTn_> Oh I ALWAYS put a nice leadin on everything just to keep my sanity.
[15:14:35] <_methods> oh i know
[15:14:46] <_methods> yeah man i would get skull fucked for a big leadin
[15:14:50] <_methods> takin too long
[15:15:03] <PetefromTn_> I USUALLY run the parts at 50 percent rapid too for the first couple parts just in case something goes wrong.
[15:15:03] <_methods> why you got 1/8" leadin
[15:15:04] <_methods> wtf
[15:15:30] <_methods> because i don't know how the saw is gonna cut.......
[15:15:43] <_methods> is there gonna be .06" hangin off
[15:15:45] <PetefromTn_> The virgin run I run it at 5percent and they are like WTF that is way too slow man. whassammatta your reflexes sux?
[15:15:48] <_methods> is it a parallelogram
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[15:15:58] <_methods> yeah fuck that
[15:16:01] <_methods> i run it slow too
[15:16:22] <_methods> rapid override baby
[15:16:30] <_methods> and one hand on the feed override dial
[15:16:36] <PetefromTn_> Their view is that breaking tools or scrapping parts is kinda gonna happen just do your best but do it QUICKLY.
[15:16:51] <_methods> yeah i'm glad i'm in a job shop now
[15:16:54] <PetefromTn_> It is a whole new world compared to how I run my own machine.
[15:17:02] <PetefromTn_> This IS a job shop.
[15:17:06] <_methods> i odn't have to put up with that shit
[15:17:28] <_methods> alright damnit time to go for real lol
[15:17:30] <_methods> later
[15:17:33] <PetefromTn_> I have NEVER seen anyone cut air above the part to check a toolpath. They just run it and see...
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[15:17:57] <PetefromTn_> Cya.
[15:18:02] <_methods> yeah i don't air cut
[15:18:07] <_methods> but yeah later lol
[15:18:14] <PetefromTn_> later man
[15:18:47] <PetefromTn_> I need to get my ass out in the shop here now enough breakfast sitting around LOL.
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[15:57:55] <CaptHindsight_> which of the woodworker electric routers have the highest speed? I just need a cheap spindle to last few minutes/hours in a mixer
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[16:27:10] <GuShH_> CaptHindsight: they are all pretty standard and the same
[16:27:25] <GuShH_> professional grade half inch may be found in faster speeds, at a cost
[16:27:36] <CaptHindsight_> yeah can't seem to find anything near 100k rpm :)
[16:27:42] <GuShH_> remember the cutters are designed for a specific maximum speed in mind anyway
[16:27:53] <GuShH_> no way you won't find such speeds standard
[16:28:17] <GuShH_> what are you trying to do that requires such speed? can't you lower your feed rates?
[16:28:25] <CaptHindsight_> have to see about running them at 2-3 the voltage or upping the frequency until they fly apart
[16:28:34] <GuShH_> heh sounds dangerous
[16:28:56] <CaptHindsight_> not cutting, emulsifying, so cutting liquids
[16:29:01] <GuShH_> I guess the bearings will overheat, since they are not forced lubricated, just sealed with a bit of grease... once they expand they'll grind themselves to nothingness
[16:29:32] <GuShH_> the motors are not water cooled either....
[16:29:33] <CaptHindsight_> probably by 40-50k
[16:29:50] <GuShH_> the little fan is only meant to keep it chilled for the given duty cycle and the given frequency :p
[16:30:01] <CaptHindsight_> cooling is easy
[16:30:14] <GuShH_> and the small 1/4" standard routers have a low duty cycle
[16:30:38] <GuShH_> the external plastics are part of the motor assembly
[16:30:42] <GuShH_> on the cheapest ones
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[16:32:26] <CaptHindsight_> looks like Bosch, porter-cable and few others have easily swapped motors
[16:34:22] <CaptHindsight_> ah the cheap HF routers go to 28K rpm
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[16:39:11] <pcw_home> what about ultrasonic emulification?
[16:39:22] <CaptHindsight_> using both
[16:39:47] <CaptHindsight_> knock it down fist with high shear then sonification
[16:40:07] <CaptHindsight_> fist/first
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[16:41:22] <CaptHindsight_> making high tech nano mayonnaise of sorts
[16:42:24] <pcw_home> how much torque? maybe a a PCB drill motor (Westwind)
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[16:42:43] <CaptHindsight_> real low, few oz of water
[16:43:07] <CaptHindsight_> probably more resistance from the bearings at high speeds
[16:43:42] <CaptHindsight_> this is just a proof of concept, then I spend the $10-20K on the real parts
[16:44:22] <humble_sea_bass> a newer better mayo
[16:44:56] <pcw_home> gear up a router 3X or so
[16:45:22] <GuShh_Lap2> gears at 100krpm, homemade?
[16:45:23] <CaptHindsight_> I'll see what it does at 28k
[16:45:40] <CaptHindsight_> sure why not
[16:45:46] <pcw_home> belt (like a old time dentist drill)
[16:45:55] <GuShh_Lap2> ok belt and pulley like a toolpost grinder
[16:46:03] <pcw_home> yep
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[16:46:43] <CaptHindsight_> trying to use low cost high shear vs expensive high pressure 40k psi
[16:47:07] <GuShh_Lap2> this is for... mayo?
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[16:48:01] <CaptHindsight_> mayo is an emulsion
[16:48:06] <pcw_home> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Westwind-1194-2-14-Air-Bearing-Spindle-Rebuilt-/171297763444?pt=BI_Tool_Work_Holding&hash=item27e2247074
[16:48:11] <GuShh_Lap2> yes.
[16:48:24] <GuShh_Lap2> who spends 20k on mayo is the better question
[16:48:32] <GuShh_Lap2> not a black person I tell you that much, badam-tish
[16:48:52] <moorbo> ;?
[16:49:13] <GuShh_Lap2> moorbo: the stereotype dictates mayo is a no, hot sauce is a yes
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[16:49:34] <moorbo> with kfc and watermelons?
[16:49:44] <GuShh_Lap2> look for a low friction alternative, beef up a magnetic stirrer
[16:50:10] <GuShh_Lap2> moorbo: now that's just racist!
[16:50:14] <GuShh_Lap2> we all like watermelons and chicken.
[16:50:29] <moorbo> i'm anti whites anyways
[16:50:35] <moorbo> and antimales
[16:50:37] <CaptHindsight_> I know how to build a real emulsifier, the exercise in what can be done under $50 by 4pm today
[16:50:53] <CaptHindsight_> in/is
[16:51:16] <GuShh_Lap2> CaptHindsight: strap it to the turbo of your car, rev up. done
[16:51:54] <pcw_home> dentists air drill
[16:52:00] <GuShh_Lap2> for 50?
[16:52:05] <CaptHindsight_> except for that pesky engine getting in the way
[16:52:14] <GuShh_Lap2> heh
[16:53:13] <GuShh_Lap2> go balls out, get a cheap pneumatic grinder, instead of air use CO2 from a bottle, watch as parts fly off
[16:53:34] <CaptHindsight_> http://static.flickr.com/24/50528339_45f6a4c51a_o.jpg suped up version of this
[16:54:41] <GuShh_Lap2> CaptHindsight: are you pretending to be into molecular gastronomy or are you trying to impress a lady?
[16:55:17] <CaptHindsight_> not food related
[16:55:37] <pcw_home> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Dental-High-Speed-LED-Handpiece-Large-Torque-Ceramic-Bearing-180286-hp09R6-NEW-/111235740764?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0
[16:55:39] <pcw_home> they claim 450,000 RPM
[16:55:53] <CaptHindsight_> GuShh_Lap2: where did you used to troll before coming in here?
[16:56:07] <GuShh_Lap2> where did you use to steal ideas from before you came here?
[16:56:12] <humble_sea_bass> making mayo is fun, and if you call it aioli ppl think you're fancy
[16:56:15] <GuShh_Lap2> your question is not CNC related.
[16:56:26] <GuShh_Lap2> you are just a weasel on a mission
[16:56:54] <CaptHindsight_> so you are new here
[16:57:23] <CaptHindsight_> is school out already?
[16:57:36] <moorbo> its the weekend
[16:57:40] <moorbo> kids abound.
[16:57:49] <GuShh_Lap2> CaptHindsight: Time for your pills.
[16:57:55] <CaptHindsight_> seems like late spring when there's the usual peak until they find something else to do
[16:57:56] <GuShh_Lap2> Don't get them mixed up this time.
[16:58:17] <pcw_home> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Dental-High-Speed-Handpiece-Large-Torque-Push-Button-3-Spray-4-H-Ceramic-Bearing/191019663541?_trksid=p2047675.c100005.m1851
[16:58:22] <pcw_home> cheaper
[16:58:39] <GuShh_Lap2> You are acknowledging the fact that you will go first and I'll get to buy your shit for pennies.
[16:58:50] <GuShh_Lap2> Very nice.
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[17:00:25] <GuShh_Lap2> Face a middle aged man with his mortality and he shall go away, write his will and warm up his testicles by the fireplace.
[17:02:08] <CaptHindsight_> low self esteem, fragile ego, narcissistic, defensive, yet arrogant
[17:04:02] <CaptHindsight_> do those dental drills have some standard chuck?
[17:05:42] <moorbo> I imagine they would
[17:08:29] <humble_sea_bass> i think it is mechanism akin to one of those mechanical lead holders
[17:09:00] <humble_sea_bass> pushing a button on the back of the handpiecelets you pull out the bit
[17:13:05] <CaptHindsight_> humble_sea_bass: http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_eye/2014/04/17/the_citicorp_tower_design_flaw_that_could_have_wiped_out_the_skyscraper.html
[17:15:13] <humble_sea_bass> roofles.
[17:15:38] <CaptHindsight_> the Sears/Willis Tower built in the same era here had the curtain wall slowly coming apart from poor assembly
[17:16:29] <CaptHindsight_> they quietly replaced every bolt over 1-2 years at night when nobody was in their offices
[17:21:34] <humble_sea_bass> the crazy part is that municipal workers don't have the experience and knowhow to review these things
[17:22:22] <humble_sea_bass> they assume that the engineer has it covered, but the thing is that the engineer stops being involved inspection wise during construction because of how rushed things are
[17:23:26] <CaptHindsight_> in Chicago they way to get your plans approved is either to use previously approved plans (why so many building here are the same) or..
[17:23:44] <CaptHindsight_> get a well know firm to stamp your plans
[17:24:25] <CaptHindsight_> they don't even know how to check something that requires engineering skills
[17:24:52] <humble_sea_bass> most plans are copy pasta
[17:24:54] <CaptHindsight_> they just look for the typical sizes of structural members vs span and similar
[17:26:46] <humble_sea_bass> sometimes I get comments back from the examiner regarding hydraulically calculated fire protection systems
[17:27:27] <humble_sea_bass> because a graph doesn't "look right" i.e. I changed the logarithmic scale
[17:27:47] <humble_sea_bass> bvecause fuck reading out the values and thinking about it
[17:27:56] <CaptHindsight_> yeah it looks different
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[17:46:56] <Jymmm> Does anyone know how to read the dates on gas tanks (nitrogen/argon) ?
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[17:49:08] <PetefromTn_> Happiness is Blow dart gun practice in the shop with your kids :D
[17:50:27] <_methods> Jymmm: if it's been sitting for a long time just roll it around on the floor to remix it
[17:50:54] <Jymmm> _methods: No, this is for hydro purposes
[17:50:57] <_methods> if it's mixed
[17:50:58] <_methods> oh
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[17:51:05] <_methods> nm then lol
[17:51:21] <Jymmm> _methods: someone is sellign 100lb tanks cheap
[17:51:37] <_methods> yeah hydro is probably out
[17:51:41] <_methods> you using them for paintball
[17:51:56] <Jymmm> _methods: No, compressor alternative
[17:52:00] <_methods> ah
[17:52:43] <zeeshan> Jymmm: they are sstamped near the neckl
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[17:53:11] <Jymmm> zeeshan: theres shitloads of stuff stamped near theneck =)
[17:53:37] <Jymmm> http://www.airgas.com/content/details.aspx?id=7000000000243
[17:53:43] <zeeshan> its the 4th one down
[17:53:51] <zeeshan> in that pic
[17:53:53] <zeeshan> #3
[17:53:55] <zeeshan> 4-55
[17:54:20] <zeeshan> i wouldnt buy that tank!
[17:54:29] <zeeshan> april 1955 haha
[17:54:32] <Jymmm> ya think? lol
[17:54:51] <Jymmm> but it's the RETEST markings I need to know
[17:55:02] <zeeshan> retest is on the right
[17:55:10] <zeeshan> #7
[17:55:25] <zeeshan> so that one got tested on
[17:55:34] <Jymmm> zeeshan: not THAT pic, but in reality its much worse to read
[17:55:36] <zeeshan> april 1960
[17:55:39] <zeeshan> april 65
[17:55:43] <zeeshan> and april 75
[17:55:50] <zeeshan> yea i know what you mean
[17:55:52] <zeeshan> but its readable!
[17:56:00] <zeeshan> and if its not readable at all due to rust or something
[17:56:05] <zeeshan> i wouldnt be buying it to begin with :LP
[17:56:32] <Jymmm> usually it's 25 layers of paint hiding the rust
[17:57:06] <_methods> hah just sneak them in with the tanks at work one by one
[17:57:07] <Jymmm> right pic , what is the "A1/25" mean?
[17:57:22] <zeeshan> jymmm
[17:57:25] <zeeshan> you got the tank near you?
[17:57:27] <_methods> get em swapped lol
[17:57:30] <zeeshan> do you want me to take a pic of mine
[17:57:47] <Jymmm> Nah
[17:57:57] <Jymmm> but look at the right pic...
[17:57:59] <zeeshan> A1 25 i think its a facility code
[17:58:00] <zeeshan> i think.
[17:58:10] <Jymmm> 3 (A1/25)95
[17:58:14] <Jymmm> ah
[17:59:17] <zeeshan> its funny how they stamp these tanks
[17:59:31] <zeeshan> considering that causes a stress concentration right there
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[18:00:11] <Jymmm> Like wth is this shit? http://images.craigslist.org/01515_3T1pfZaPwrJ_600x450.jpg
[18:00:18] <Jymmm> ICC ??
[18:00:25] <Jymmm> T3200???
[18:00:27] <Jymmm> LINDE???
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[18:00:51] <_methods> linde gas
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[18:00:58] <Jymmm> ah
[18:01:06] <moorbo> zeeshan: arn't those tanks generally baked?
[18:01:06] <zeeshan> im pretty sure thats the 'left' side
[18:01:09] <zeeshan> of the pic you were looking
[18:01:16] <zeeshan> moorbo: what do you mean baked
[18:01:30] <moorbo> stress releaved
[18:01:32] <Jymmm> Oh, so T32... is the SN ?
[18:01:35] <moorbo> spelt correctly.
[18:03:15] <zeeshan> those big welding tanks are made from one thick ass blank
[18:03:21] <zeeshan> and they are stress relieved yea but still
[18:03:23] <moorbo> I know
[18:03:26] <moorbo> press formed
[18:03:38] <zeeshan> any marks on the surface = stress concentrations
[18:03:42] <moorbo> same as seamless pipe
[18:03:43] <Jymmm> I want to seee the press!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[18:03:57] <moorbo> zeeshan: yeah, its why we (at my old job anyways) stopped stamping welds
[18:04:44] <zeeshan> moorbo: it was funny
[18:04:54] <zeeshan> i was doing this case study in 2nd year about a cast steel part
[18:05:01] <zeeshan> for a rail car
[18:05:08] <zeeshan> kinda where the wheels attach
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[18:05:14] <zeeshan> it had cracked, and they were wondering why
[18:05:17] <moorbo> but I guess the stamps arn't enough
[18:05:28] <moorbo> to case stress that could be an issue
[18:05:53] <moorbo> cause*
[18:07:16] <moorbo> Jymmm: I beleieve the t320097 number is a trace number
[18:07:18] <moorbo> for materail type
[18:07:26] <moorbo> the icc I beleive is the serial
[18:08:16] <Jymmm> ICC (3AA material type)(2400 working pressure)
[18:08:27] <moorbo> then the other way around
[18:08:28] <moorbo> hehehe
[18:09:02] <_methods> making a portable "compressor"
[18:09:17] <Jymmm> Well, hell, the guy replies back with "I'll be around all day never some HS", but no name, number, or address. WTF
[18:09:53] <moorbo> Jymmm: you want to buy that bottle or something?
[18:10:17] <Jymmm> Honestly, I don't WANT 100lb tank, I'd just want a 2nd 40lb one.
[18:10:28] <Jymmm> moorbo: YEah, off craigslist
[18:10:37] <moorbo> ah
[18:10:38] <moorbo> heh
[18:10:40] <moorbo> sketchy ;p
[18:10:44] <Jymmm> why?
[18:10:56] <Jymmm> I just do tank exchange anyway
[18:11:05] <moorbo> I suppose eh
[18:11:06] <Jymmm> but it's gotta be within date
[18:11:23] <Jymmm> or they'll charge me to hydro it
[18:11:25] <moorbo> I guess I'd just feel uncomfortable buying pressure things second hand
[18:12:12] <_methods> local fire station if you get in good with them.....
[18:12:28] <_methods> i got homies in the fire station that hook me up with free hydro
[18:12:44] <Jymmm> Eh, no need with tank exchange.
[18:12:57] <Jymmm> Just check the date before accepting the new one
[18:13:09] <Jymmm> make sure it doens't expire tomorrow
[18:13:36] <_methods> lol
[18:13:39] <_methods> the way of the world
[18:14:06] <Jymmm> Good price, but I just cant manipulate a 100lb tank as easily, nor really store it either
[18:14:27] <Jymmm> My 40lb is perfect to refill tires, blow off shit, etc
[18:14:42] <Jymmm> Just need a backup
[18:14:47] <_methods> heheh those gas guys man they can rock those tanks
[18:14:59] <_methods> we had a guy that would roll 2 dewers in at a time
[18:15:04] <_methods> one in each hand
[18:15:11] <_methods> same with tanks
[18:15:34] <Jymmm> Sure, but I walk around with this thing as needed. no cords to strung out etc
[18:15:52] <_methods> like no country for old men lol
[18:16:00] <_methods> whackin mofos
[18:16:03] <_methods> on the couch lol
[18:16:15] <Jymmm> _methods: EXACTLY!!! I actually looked into that for the hell of it, nothing on CL =)
[18:16:22] <_methods> hehe
[18:16:31] <_methods> he was rockin a co2 tank i think
[18:16:45] <Jymmm> 2000psi it really doens't matter much
[18:16:49] <_methods> food service makes those easier to find
[18:17:18] <Jymmm> can a co2 tank accept nitrogen?
[18:17:39] <_methods> i have no idea
[18:17:50] <_methods> i've never tried the air tank assassin market out lol
[18:18:08] <Jymmm> sucks to be you
[18:18:11] <_methods> heheh
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[18:19:02] <Jymmm> crap, a nicer looking tank, but again 100lbs
[18:19:52] <Jymmm> cheaper to fill, but a bitch to load/unload
[18:20:14] <Jymmm> I have a nice lil air chuck setup on mine with quick release
[18:20:40] <Jymmm> set the pressure on the regulator, and fill tires!
[18:21:00] <_methods> interesting
[18:21:08] <_methods> i just use my compressor lol
[18:21:12] <moorbo> same
[18:21:40] <Jymmm> Nitrogen good for fire supression and no moisture
[18:22:23] <Jymmm> Works GREAT for displacing oxygen too
[18:28:36] <Jymmm> Actually, REALLY good for that. Packed some bird seed in contianers after removing the oxygen, tested for 9 months, and it great condition!
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[18:29:26] <Jymmm> you can't even freeze or nuke seed and have it last that long. It naturally has "seed flies" on it that are resiliant.
[18:31:51] <XXCoder> seed flies?
[18:32:19] <Jymmm> Yeah, larva
[18:32:29] <XXCoder> ahh
[18:32:29] <Jymmm> it's a species of moth
[18:32:48] <Jymmm> harmless, just annoying when they hatch. All grain has them
[18:33:05] <Jymmm> wheat, millet, etc
[18:33:47] <Jymmm> But even freezing the grain will not stop them from hatching.
[18:34:12] <Jymmm> But tested with removing the oxygen, and so far so good.
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[18:34:55] <XXCoder> would it recover if removed from no oxy area?
[18:35:12] <XXCoder> if not you probably found a method that would make grain darn near immortal
[18:35:32] <Jymmm> It might, havent' unsealed them to find out. But you just have to use the seed before they hatch sorta thing.
[18:36:01] <gene78> Hi all, what do I comment out to go back to individual per axis homing on a lathe?
[18:36:02] <Jymmm> dormant is perfectly fine
[18:36:33] <XXCoder> indeed as long as it lasts a long time.
[18:37:18] <gene78> I have comment the HOME_SEQUENCE lines, but I still get a "HOME ALL" button
[18:37:21] <Jymmm> XXCoder: 9months is GREAT!, if it last 2 years would be better, but have to see if they go rancid after 2 years
[18:37:34] <XXCoder> yeah theres other ways to decay
[18:37:40] <Jymmm> XXCoder: I do a bit of age testing on various food stuffs
[18:38:16] <XXCoder> maybe start off with UV to kill most germs and fungus then nitrogen to stop those moths
[18:38:26] <XXCoder> combined it may last long time indeed
[18:38:54] <Jymmm> XXCoder: Nah, too much of a pita.
[18:39:03] <XXCoder> yeah
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[18:44:38] <gene78> how do I make the "Home All" into a home selected axis?
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[18:47:15] <cradek> gene78: you remove the homing sequence lines from your ini
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[19:00:15] <ve7it> Jymmm, hey
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[19:04:49] <Jymmm> ve7it: Hi MR L
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[19:36:11] <humble_sea_bass> NYC's new bike share program fills their tires with nitrogen
[19:37:13] <XXCoder> heard there is lot of benefits to that
[19:37:27] <XXCoder> cooler longer, as well as not expanding as much
[19:37:37] <humble_sea_bass> no moisture in the tire, reduced expansion etc
[19:37:52] <humble_sea_bass> and since these things are outside all the time, it matters
[19:38:36] <humble_sea_bass> also one of my favorite beers is keg pressurized with nitrogen
[19:39:25] <humble_sea_bass> http://allthesamesong.com/post/41391713613/beer-review-0314-left-hand-milk-stout-nitro
[19:40:40] <CaptHindsight_> I once floated on a sea of inert gas (nitrogen)
[19:41:30] <CaptHindsight_> I'm suprised they managed to get the bike tires that sealed
[19:42:50] <humble_sea_bass> everything on those bikes is custom to deter theft
[19:43:13] <humble_sea_bass> I don't doubt they used some crazy valve and thicker tubes
[19:43:43] <CaptHindsight_> including their lovely color scheme, they are about as attractive as the shared bikes here
[19:43:54] <CaptHindsight_> and by shared I mean you pay for
[19:46:37] <CaptHindsight_> http://www.trbimg.com/img-52157393/turbine/chi-chicago-divvy-station-20130821/600/600x412
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[19:46:51] <CaptHindsight_> http://www.fastcompany.com/multisite_files/fastcompany/poster/2013/06/3012602-poster-1920-new-york-citys-bike-share-hits-100000-rides.jpg
[19:47:13] <humble_sea_bass> they are gross looking, but all said and done it is a wonderful ammenity
[19:47:48] <humble_sea_bass> it is cool to go out for lunch and not feel locked into eating in a 2 block radius
[19:47:50] <CaptHindsight_> I wish they allowed electric scooters on the roads
[19:48:36] <humble_sea_bass> they do, or at least they don't care. chinese electric bikes have flooded the city for better or worse
[19:48:56] <CaptHindsight_> humble_sea_bass: how year around are the bike lanes busy there?
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[19:49:36] <CaptHindsight_> some die hards here are out even when -10F
[19:49:44] <humble_sea_bass> always busy
[19:50:02] <humble_sea_bass> thankfully we don't have crazy chicago temps too often
[19:51:03] <humble_sea_bass> I used to be one of those crazies riding over the manhattan bridge in the middle of winter, I have yet to meet someone whose devotion is unshaken as they approach the apex of the span
[19:51:38] <CaptHindsight_> I used to ride a 2-cycle nitromethane motor/skateboard, but the streets are to lousy now
[19:53:25] <humble_sea_bass> those motorized scateboards terrify me because their turning radius is so large
[19:54:09] <XXCoder> custom bicycle http://cheezburger.com/5740813056
[19:54:12] <CaptHindsight_> you don't just turn by leaning, you do at higher speeds but now when slow
[19:54:21] <CaptHindsight_> now/not
[19:54:46] <CaptHindsight_> XXCoder: now that's real style
[19:55:03] <XXCoder> bicycle physics is still not fully understood
[19:55:41] <humble_sea_bass> Cornell has a lab devoted to bike physics
[19:55:43] <humble_sea_bass> or dide
[19:56:20] <CaptHindsight_> chinese food delivery, those should be mandatory here
[19:56:39] <CaptHindsight_> glowing eyes for headlights
[19:57:05] <XXCoder> yep lol
[19:58:06] <CaptHindsight_> http://blog.walkscore.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/choicemap-chicago-car-bike-share.png thats pretty good coverage of the city
[20:00:20] <CaptHindsight_> http://www.walkscore.com/NY/New_York not nearly as good as NYC
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[20:03:23] <CaptHindsight_> >60f here today, time to air out the shop
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[21:11:56] <Deejay> gn8
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[21:17:15] <CaptHindsight> emulsion a success just using an old blender I forgot I had in a box
[21:17:41] <CaptHindsight> everybody take the rest of the day off
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[21:22:19] <witnit> ughh there is too much to learn regarding computers..
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[21:26:36] <witnit> cannot remember all the steps, must learn linux to use cnc, must learn git to obtain cnc software, learn programming to configure devices... learn devices to know how to program... everythings progress is conditional to my personal knowledge... ughhh
[21:28:30] <witnit> I should have dropped out of highschool at grade 9 and educated myself properly.
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[21:30:51] <CaptHindsight_> Linuxcnc doesn't need too much skill
[21:31:10] <witnit> skill is not what I mentioned
[21:31:12] <CaptHindsight_> some reading and a text editor is all many people need
[21:31:16] <witnit> just knowedge
[21:31:30] <witnit> "some" is a pretty damned loose term
[21:31:54] <CaptHindsight_> but yeah, to be able to build and use computers just the way you want you don't learn that in school, it requires an education
[21:32:03] <CaptHindsight_> time and effort
[21:32:16] <witnit> I just said all those things above lol,
[21:32:33] <witnit> "educate myself properly"
[21:33:07] <CaptHindsight_> using Linuxcnc doesn't take that much effort
[21:33:11] <CaptHindsight_> :)
[21:33:53] <witnit> neither does turning on a lightswitch, but wiring a whole house takes effort
[21:34:02] <witnit> which is where you are not seeing my point I think
[21:34:17] <witnit> Im doing more than "using linuxcnc"
[21:35:56] <CaptHindsight_> I see you point
[21:36:01] <CaptHindsight_> your even
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[22:05:14] <witnit> does anyone know how to fix this? I have a 7i90 and linux cnc wont talk to it, neither will mesa flash.. so I try mesaflash3 and this occurs
[22:05:47] <witnit> https://gist.github.com/anonymous/11099014
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[22:06:25] <witnit> I am talking to it via epp
[22:06:44] <witnit> bios is set at epp1/9 for my parallel port.
[22:11:04] <CaptHindsight_> you don't have PCI utils installed
[22:11:26] <CaptHindsight_> after installing LSPCI should give you the port for the LPT
[22:12:14] <CaptHindsight_> then you use that LPT address in the config
[22:12:21] <CaptHindsight_> have to bbl
[22:13:33] <witnit> pciutils is already the newest version.
[22:13:47] <witnit> lspci
[22:14:45] <micges> witnit: use https://github.com/micges/mesaflash and make it from sources, it will run
[22:15:07] <witnit> thank you micges
[22:15:48] <micges> it's some compatibility issues, will be removed along with libpci dependency
[22:16:51] <witnit> im just too clueless for this
[22:16:51] <witnit> hahah
[22:16:59] <witnit> I dont know what im doing at all
[22:17:25] <witnit> so I do like, git clone http://....mesaflash, then type make?
[22:18:24] <micges> yes, but after clone do 'cd mesaflash'
[22:18:29] <witnit> well yeah
[22:18:32] <witnit> but it doesnt do anything
[22:18:37] <witnit> gcc -I/usr/include -O0 -g -lm -c common.c
[22:18:37] <witnit> common.c:20:21: error: pci/pci.h: No such file or directory
[22:18:59] <micges> sudo apt-get install libpci-dev
[22:19:08] <witnit> ughh
[22:19:33] <witnit> I need instructions ahahah I cant come in here everytime I have a problem and ask people its so time consuming for all involved
[22:20:15] <witnit> see. if someone just wrote this down....
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[22:20:56] <micges> witnit: I know I know...
[22:21:21] <witnit> okay I got this mic but still It doesnt show the card
[22:21:49] <micges> got correct address ?
[22:21:50] <witnit> I go to bios set to epp for parallel and then do something like sudo ./mesaflash --list
[22:22:00] <witnit> or addr-- 0x378
[22:22:23] <witnit> yellow light on card is normal I thik
[22:22:29] <witnit> 1 yellow power on light
[22:22:45] <micges> sudo ./mesaflash --device 7i90 --addr 0x378
[22:23:08] <witnit> genious
[22:23:10] <witnit> err
[22:23:13] <witnit> genius
[22:23:39] <micges> use 'mesaflash --help' there is basic help there
[22:23:58] <witnit> yeah, I never could view it before, I just had the old mesaflash working
[22:24:28] <witnit> If I knew more I would make it to where when you download an iso it would have all this stuff already on it
[22:24:49] <witnit> I just never know where to look to learn these things
[22:26:06] <witnit> all you developers are too busy, we need more people involved :P
[22:26:18] <micges> I'll add README and configure script and info about 'mesaflash --help' to short info showed with no args
[22:27:00] <witnit> could you make a small change to the readme included with the git download
[22:27:20] <micges> mesaflash is still 3.0 beta, got few bugs there
[22:28:04] <micges> what change?
[22:28:29] <witnit> https://gist.github.com/anonymous/11099610
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[22:28:48] <witnit> that should have before the ./configure a ./autogen.sh you think?
[22:29:05] <witnit> its what I needed to do to get the ./configure option..
[22:31:16] <witnit> it had ME stumped for 5 minutes anyhow :P
[22:31:31] <witnit> not hard to confuse me though
[22:32:21] <micges> will add it, thanks
[22:32:55] <witnit> awesome... im a contributor now
[22:32:57] <witnit> hahahah no
[22:32:59] <witnit> np
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[22:47:36] <micges> witnit: readme added
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[22:57:51] <witnit> you are great sir, you just saved man y a noob a heartache
[22:58:02] <witnit> many*
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