#linuxcnc | Logs for 2014-04-14

[00:01:38] <MrHindsight> http://psha.org.ru/debian/ the psha repo is back up!
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[00:11:12] <somenewguy_bu> what are your guys thoughts on the std ngcgui samples in linuxCNC? I am writing my own library as I need them, and most are pretty generic. I am going to post a link in the forum tonight, but do you think its worth trying to incorperate them into the main repo?
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[00:12:00] <somenewguy_bu> personally I'd rather keep mine seperate and not have to worry about conforming to proper use of a real repo and just let ppl pull and contribute to my repo, but otoh fragmentation is what is always killing open projects
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[00:13:41] <MrHindsight> somenewguy: I'd post this question on the mail list
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[00:15:09] <somenewguy_bu> ok. how lively is the mail list? I subscribed recenetly and have got naught but confirmation, so I think I botched something lol
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[00:16:15] <Noxz> alright, back to the floorboards...
[00:17:09] <Noxz> I'm essentially looking for either some 80/20 that will work, or something that I can bolt ontop of it (the orirignal plan was a sheet/plate ontop of some, maybe with some holes drilled in)
[00:18:33] <andypugh> Noxz: Did you see my link?
[00:18:43] <Noxz> Yes
[00:18:55] <Noxz> it's just in GBP not USD ;)
[00:18:59] <andypugh> And in what way was that not perfect?
[00:19:21] <andypugh> Yes. But I imagine the stuff is also on sale in the US>
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[00:19:41] <Noxz> yeah, something similar..
[00:20:07] <Noxz> maybe something like this? http://www.ebay.com/itm/80-20-Inc-T-Slot-25mm-x-12-5mm-Aluminum-Extrusion-25-Series-25-2514-x-1220mm-N-/370806724134?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item5655cd9626
[00:20:38] <Noxz> lined up next to one another?
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[00:21:06] <andypugh> http://www.ebay.com/itm/CNC-Router-Extruded-Aluminum-T-Slot-Table-Top-6-W-X-12-L-/291073721288?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item43c55883c8
[00:21:10] <MrHindsight> somenewguy: over 100 messages a week, sometimes >200
[00:22:11] <humble_sea_bass> Noxz: that extrusion shape looks sub-optimal
[00:22:33] <Noxz> the tabletop in the size I want is a decent $420: http://www.ebay.com/itm/CNC-Router-Extruded-Aluminum-T-Slot-Table-surface-3-W-x-4-L-/290747212696?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item43b1e26398
[00:23:06] <humble_sea_bass> $420 bux? I'll take that as a sign. get it
[00:23:26] <Noxz> I guess it'snot too outrageous of a price..
[00:23:38] <Noxz> I wonder if I can build my own, though
[00:24:04] <humble_sea_bass> you always can, trade money for time etc etc
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[00:24:30] <humble_sea_bass> that and being blessed with knowing where to get things for a decent pric3e
[00:24:37] <Noxz> the project has been delayed for quite some time already....
[00:25:32] <MrHindsight> Noxz: that profile is for decorative uses and machine guards, not structure
[00:26:06] <Noxz> which profile?
[00:26:17] <MrHindsight> http://www.ebay.com/itm/80-20-Inc-T-Slot-25mm-x-12-5mm-Aluminum-Extrusion-25-Series-25-2514-x-1220mm-N-/370806724134?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item5655cd9626
[00:26:21] <humble_sea_bass> work holding is one of those unsexy steps that has been solved several times over
[00:26:26] <Noxz> the 80/20
[00:27:05] <andypugh> MrHindsight: His second option is being sold as a router table profile.
[00:27:48] <Noxz> hah, just read shipping on that, $108, so it bumps it up to nearly $550.. again, worth it for the time and such
[00:27:51] <andypugh> looks like T-slots held down by U-shapes.
[00:28:19] <andypugh> I think I have seen cheaper, but that does look usefuly modular.
[00:28:49] <MrHindsight> I need to start importing steel t-slot tables
[00:29:13] <humble_sea_bass> t-slot emporium
[00:29:36] <MrHindsight> http://www.ebay.com/itm/43-5-x-20-x-1-5-Steel-Welding-5-T-Slotted-Table-Cast-iron-Layout-Plate-slots-/131153753213?pt=BI_Tool_Work_Holding&hash=item1e895f747d
[00:30:03] <XXCoder> 1220 mm long surface mount 8020
[00:30:04] <XXCoder> not bad
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[00:31:45] <humble_sea_bass> picture 5 for the t slot is gold
[00:32:06] <MrHindsight> lol
[00:32:08] <humble_sea_bass> fuck it, we don't even have a clean piece of paper to draft the profile dims on
[00:32:43] <Noxz> atleast he didnt draw it in black
[00:33:01] <MrHindsight> http://www.ebay.com/itm/42-x-20-T-SLOTTED-STEEL-TABLE-Cast-Iron-Coolant-Type-Layout-Fixture-Welding-/131045003204?pt=BI_Tool_Work_Holding&hash=item1e82e40fc4
[00:34:27] <LatheBuilder> Hello, starting in on my first retrofit. Have been lurking for ~4 years reading the mailing list. Just checking in to get acquainted. (First time irc user, semi experienced linux user)
[00:34:43] <MrHindsight> LatheBuilder: welcome
[00:34:47] <Tom_itx> 4 years!
[00:34:49] <Noxz> 'coolant type' that means what precisly?
[00:34:51] <Tom_itx> heh
[00:34:53] <humble_sea_bass> LatheBuilder: fuck man, 4 years
[00:34:56] <humble_sea_bass> that's dedication
[00:35:18] <LatheBuilder> ya, I take too long to read up on everything before I start
[00:35:24] <LatheBuilder> !
[00:35:31] <andypugh> What are you retrofitting?
[00:35:39] <Tom_itx> i sorta have been too... since it was just released from a Govt project
[00:35:40] <LatheBuilder> VMC,
[00:35:41] <XXCoder> hguessing from nick, lathe?
[00:36:06] <MrHindsight> too obvious
[00:36:31] <andypugh> My next retrofit will probably be a lathe.
[00:36:32] <LatheBuilder> 3 axis, vfd spindle, drawbar, oiler, coolant. Mesa 5i25 + 7i77. keeping existing servos/drives/vfd
[00:36:51] <andypugh> Sounds like at least a week’s work :-)
[00:36:58] <LatheBuilder> 0-10vdc signals for axis' and vfd control
[00:37:25] <LatheBuilder> grin. building my rpc took easily 10 times longer than it should have
[00:37:35] <humble_sea_bass> i was actually feeling 10 kinds of feelings about the 7i77 today and how I should befriend it
[00:37:46] <MrHindsight> Noxz: are you anywhere near grand rapids mi?
[00:38:14] <andypugh> Time I climbed the wooden hills. See ye tomorrow.
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[00:38:35] <Noxz> MrHindsight: I used to live in Ohio.. but moved out to California (silicon valley) a year ago
[00:38:57] <humble_sea_bass> Noxz: check http://www.govliquidation.com/
[00:39:12] <humble_sea_bass> there are several military bases in the area that are closing
[00:39:21] <LatheBuilder> Noxz >> how do you like the valley?
[00:39:22] <humble_sea_bass> and have great stuff for sale
[00:39:39] <Noxz> LatheBuilder: weather is great ;)
[00:40:29] <LatheBuilder> that's what I hear! what interests me more about the area is the number of similar minded people. Lots of enthusiasts in sv?
[00:40:46] <Noxz> indeed
[00:41:09] <Noxz> but, it's a little strange that everyone you bump into is NOT in the tech industry
[00:41:22] <Noxz> once you get past that, it's just an abnormal amount, but still almost rare
[00:41:23] <LatheBuilder> percentage that big?
[00:41:35] <MrHindsight> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Fixture-Jig-Plate-/161256197651
[00:42:06] <humble_sea_bass> that looks like mechanical mine sweeper
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[00:42:53] <Noxz> what if I laid out a bumch of 80/20 underneath a flat panel, and had some predrilled holes for holding shit
[00:43:38] <LatheBuilder> sry, don't have the chat history. What are you building Noxz/
[00:43:43] <humble_sea_bass> you can 8020 it, but rigidity will be sub optimal
[00:44:54] <Noxz> LatheBuilder: a mill, with 80/20 as the structure.. I am trying to figure out the floorboard situation
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[00:45:38] <LatheBuilder> have a weight limit? IE: top floor of an apartment vs 12" concrete floor under you
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[00:45:57] <Noxz> yeah, top floor..
[00:46:13] <Noxz> but it's also a loft, so I have two stories.. and I may put the mill upstairs (bedroom) because fo space situation
[00:46:17] <MrHindsight> maybe granite epoxy T-slot tables
[00:46:29] <Noxz> although I do not want metal fillings near where I sleep
[00:46:33] <humble_sea_bass> they have those?
[00:47:09] <MrHindsight> DIY wouldn't be too difficult, the most difficult would be surfacing the top after cure
[00:47:25] <Noxz> planing it?
[00:47:29] <humble_sea_bass> http://www.cnccookbook.com/CCMillEpoxyFill.htm
[00:47:33] <LatheBuilder> I built an horizontal mill out of large structural tube a while back. Kept it in the living room because the chips were mean. Lathe was in the bedroom because space and kinder chips...
[00:47:36] <humble_sea_bass> west systems to the rescue
[00:47:41] <MrHindsight> but maybe doing it the cylinder head on glass with sandpaper way
[00:48:19] <MrHindsight> west is too expensive, epoxy is only ~$4/lb in bulk
[00:48:43] <MrHindsight> 1L = ~1Kg
[00:49:05] <Noxz> I guess I should think about collant too?
[00:49:13] <Noxz> that may dictate how the table is put together
[00:49:26] <MrHindsight> but the composite is usually a 20% epoxy to 80% aggregate
[00:49:46] <LatheBuilder> how about prebuilt xy table from enco as base? or are you wanting more of a cnc router type layout? big flat bed
[00:50:04] <Noxz> yeah, more for routing
[00:50:44] <MrHindsight> maybe just a steel t-slot top with epoxy granite base molded into it DIY
[00:51:09] <MrHindsight> then aluminum would work as well
[00:51:19] <LatheBuilder> slat construction might be worth your time looking at. think built-up I-beams layed side by side.
[00:51:47] <MrHindsight> I should build one as an example and show the flexural strength
[00:51:59] <LatheBuilder> what's available surplus in the area? Imagine there should be lots for the picking
[00:53:44] <Noxz> I wish onlinemetals.com had t slot
[00:53:51] <humble_sea_bass> i told him to get his ass over to govliquidation.com since there are lots of bases in cali
[00:53:58] <somenewguy_bu> is that what thsoe welding tables go for? man if my fly by night welding hadn't dried up, I woulda bought one of those ages ago
[00:53:59] <humble_sea_bass> in the SF area
[00:54:04] <MrHindsight> http://www.quietelectronics.com/Missouri-/New-/Cnc-router-aluminum-t-slot-table-top-image_photos.jpg and cast this into epoxy granite
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[00:54:47] <Noxz> I'm already going to be using plenty of htese: http://www.ebay.com/itm/80-20-Inc-T-Slot-25mm-x-75mm-Aluminum-Extrusion-25-Series-25-2576-x-1220mm-N-/400477747218?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item5d3e557812
[00:55:24] <humble_sea_bass> CaptHindsight: West Systems is crazy expensive, but available in midtown manhattan. Any thoughts on http://www.uscomposites.com/
[00:55:31] <MrHindsight> Noxz: those flex quite a but in the 25mm direction
[00:55:37] <LatheBuilder> instead of planing after cure, how about individual "T"'s adjustable with grub screws? Have built machines too big to fit on a mill table that way. True up your surface with many adjustment screws after casting the base.
[00:55:38] <XXCoder> humble_sea_bass: interesting link
[00:55:39] <Noxz> would require ~12 or so for a 36" wide structure
[00:55:56] <Noxz> $325 plus some combined shipping
[00:55:59] <MrHindsight> humble_sea_bass: I buy it by the 200kg drum
[00:56:27] <humble_sea_bass> pfft never needed more than a gallon at a time so we're working at different scales here
[00:56:41] <MrHindsight> well I actually buy the components by the drum and mix my own
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[00:57:03] <LatheBuilder> MrHindsight >> boatbuilder or aerospace?
[00:57:46] <humble_sea_bass> Narcotrafficking submarine builder
[00:57:47] <MrHindsight> I formulate photopolymers and resins for inks, coatings, 3dp, etc etc
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[00:58:15] <MrHindsight> http://www.uscomposites.com/ is $75/gal
[00:58:42] <LatheBuilder> cool. been following the liquid resin 3dp scene closely.
[00:58:43] <MrHindsight> a gal is ~12 lbs so not too far from $50 cost
[00:58:43] <Noxz> MrHindsight: anything with PTFE in it? I'm a fan of that stuff
[00:59:26] <LatheBuilder> high speed converting operations with uv cure a big slice of your biz?
[00:59:39] <MrHindsight> Noxz: all kinds of formulations, carbon fiber, ptfe, silicas, metals, whatever
[01:00:13] <Noxz> I used to be a mechanic at a bicycle shop too.. so plenty of carbon fiber (final product) have I seen
[01:00:14] <MrHindsight> mostly additive manufacturing now
[01:00:30] <MrHindsight> UV or visible light cured
[01:00:48] <humble_sea_bass> I used to silk screen back in the day, there are surprisingly few ink/epoxy manufacturers for tha biz
[01:01:08] <MrHindsight> even resins for repairing broken sewers and pipes
[01:01:30] <Noxz> hrrrm
[01:01:35] <MrHindsight> yeah, very proprietary
[01:01:55] <MrHindsight> prepreg wrapped inflatable bladders
[01:02:15] <MrHindsight> stuff them into a broken pipe, UV cure, good as new for 40 years
[01:03:07] <Noxz> awesome
[01:03:34] <LatheBuilder> very clever. I'd like to build a shop that way - collapsible geodesic dome with prepreg cloth covering. Inflate and cure...skylights for everyone!
[01:03:53] <humble_sea_bass> my college senior design project was based on polymer impregnated vectran
[01:03:54] <Noxz> I want a tree house
[01:04:06] <LatheBuilder> been following the b9creator?
[01:04:15] <humble_sea_bass> also, this http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/mta-blows-inflatable-subway-plug-south-ferry-stop-article-1.1345322
[01:04:35] <somenewguy_bu> magic, I saw a cement tent built like u said lathebuilder
[01:04:55] <MrHindsight> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0UXthJMd4gg
[01:05:08] <somenewguy_bu> pump some kind of impregnated bladder of cloth and cement w/ water, and it inflates into a massive freakin tent, door alreadybuilt in
[01:05:16] <LatheBuilder> that's what made me think of this. =)
[01:05:43] <humble_sea_bass> LatheBuilder: that was actually close to what my project for school was, we did it in conjunction with Nattic Army base or whatecver
[01:05:56] <humble_sea_bass> they are the ones who handle logistics
[01:06:05] <LatheBuilder> sea bass >> does vectran wet out pretty ywell?
[01:07:26] <humble_sea_bass> not really, it is actually annoying as hell to work with
[01:07:36] <LatheBuilder> spendy too?
[01:08:02] <humble_sea_bass> Natic Army base provided the material so we were like "yeah send more"
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[01:09:43] <LatheBuilder> grin. on the topic of Noxz's build, what do you think the cheapest suitable base construction material is?
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[01:09:56] <humble_sea_bass> http://spirit.as.utexas.edu/~fiso/telecon/Lowry-Fogelman_1-29-14/Lowry-Fogelman_1-29-14.pdf
[01:10:21] <LatheBuilder> reading
[01:11:10] <Tom_itx> brrr... cold front definitely moved through. Went from 82F this afternoon to 39F currently
[01:11:36] <LatheBuilder> wherabouts tom_itx?
[01:11:44] <MrHindsight> stronger than steel but not puncture resistant
[01:11:48] <Tom_itx> ks
[01:12:21] <LatheBuilder> I'm in nebraska, been raining here all day.
[01:12:43] <Tom_itx> we got some but it soaked in and you can't tell it even rained
[01:13:03] <MrHindsight> heh 63F today low of 22F tomorrow
[01:14:00] <LatheBuilder> are those beams as light as they look humble_sea_bass?
[01:14:28] <humble_sea_bass> they are pretty light for their volume
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[01:15:13] <humble_sea_bass> it is like dealing with big big moving blankets
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[01:21:52] <Noxz> so, lining up several 80/20s followed by some granite/epoxy mix undeneath?
[01:22:21] <MrHindsight> that will do it
[01:22:33] <humble_sea_bass> square is key
[01:22:38] <Noxz> I can get the table for ~$300 or so
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[01:22:55] <LatheBuilder> have seen cmm bases built with granite/epoxy. can be plenty strong
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[01:23:24] <Noxz> and after the epoxy, it's then waterproof, for coolant?
[01:23:37] <MrHindsight> granite epoxy machine base
[01:23:41] <Noxz> not that I require coolant jsut yet, but htinking for the future
[01:24:17] <MrHindsight> http://www.mediafire.com/imgbnc.php/de1f935da0a0e8b2c31081342c3aece807fe7f9c2e385e2e8986c1baf40bf1c36g.jpg
[01:24:20] <LatheBuilder> think ducting and spash guards. particularly for router speeds tooling will throw chips and coolant everywhere
[01:25:12] <LatheBuilder> (in addition to base design)
[01:25:52] <Noxz> hmm
[01:26:24] <MrHindsight> http://www.newport.com/Granite-Optical-Structures/139776/1033/info.aspx
[01:26:38] <LatheBuilder> even if you only use mist coolant, chip containment is a thing. Does not have to be a big deal though
[01:26:42] <MrHindsight> http://assets.newport.com/web600w-EN/images/1146727.jpg
[01:27:32] <Noxz> neat
[01:27:50] <MrHindsight> http://www.q-sys.eu/images/mechanical%20bearing%206.jpg
[01:28:11] <LatheBuilder> extensive discussion here: http://www.cnczone.com/forums/epoxy-granite/38800-index-epoxy-granite-machine-bases-thread.html
[01:28:32] <MrHindsight> http://www.aerotech.com/media/104470/ags15000_438x320-fit-ffffff.jpg
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[01:29:12] <LatheBuilder> what total footprint noxz?
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[01:29:30] <Noxz> the thicker the better?
[01:30:05] <MrHindsight> yes
[01:30:34] <MrHindsight> but at $10/L it will get pricey for many
[01:30:48] <Noxz> I can see that
[01:31:15] <MrHindsight> well $10/L for the resin, the granite is cheap
[01:31:33] <Noxz> sure
[01:31:43] <MrHindsight> figure 5:1 aggregate to resin
[01:32:17] <MrHindsight> or 4:1
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[01:33:01] <MrHindsight> Home Depot sells polyester resin for $36/Gal
[01:34:18] <pcw_home> Do people still make plastic grapes with that stuff?
[01:35:42] <LatheBuilder> pcw_home Peter Wallace of Mesa?
[01:35:42] <Noxz> anal beads?
[01:35:58] <Noxz> I fregin'ant belevie theres dildos on GroupOn
[01:36:59] <LatheBuilder> first time on iirc, looking for a pointer for getting through first setup on 5i25 with lcnc 2.5.3
[01:38:09] <LatheBuilder> seems to be something i am missing. Am I meant to run through pncconf with, say, a 5i20 selected and then edit? reading through the documentation for it
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[01:40:06] <skunkworks> LatheBuilder: steppers or servos?
[01:40:34] <LatheBuilder> servos. 0-10v dc for 3 axis, same for vfd
[01:41:01] <MrHindsight> pcw_home: did they used to?
[01:41:02] <pcw_home> until 2.6 comes out, you need to download the 5i25 xml files:
[01:41:03] <pcw_home> http://www.linuxcnc.org/index.php/english/forum/39-pncconf/21670-5i25-firmware-xml-files-for-pncconf
[01:41:19] <LatheBuilder> using a 5i25/7i77. I understand field power has to be applied for outputs to appear
[01:41:40] <LatheBuilder> I could switch to 2.6, is it stable enough to use?
[01:41:44] <pcw_home> for the digital (field) I/O yes
[01:41:59] <pcw_home> in any case you probably want the latest pncconf
[01:42:48] <MrHindsight> http://www.hobby-machinist.com/showthread.php?t=14217 Epoxy Granite (EG) The cheap and easy way... I hope.
[01:42:54] <skunkworks> if it where me - I would take a hm2-servo sample config and change it to run the 5i25..
[01:43:06] <pcw_home> or just start with one of the example configs and learn HAL along the way...
[01:43:26] <pcw_home> Ha! we said about the same thing...
[01:43:44] <skunkworks> :)
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[01:44:51] <LatheBuilder> I'll need to learn hal soon regardless. Intending to use this as a 3dprinting testbed. LCNC looks like an easy winner for flexibility to the enthusiast user.
[01:45:33] <LatheBuilder> is the pcnconf in 2.5.3 latest, or a separate update required?
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[01:51:19] <pcw_home> pretty sure its not the latest
[01:53:55] <LatheBuilder> switching to 2.6 or master now then. I the consensus that 2.6 is stable enough for cautious use?
[01:54:30] <Noxz> what's the purpose of having multiple cavaities/sections for the epoxy+granite versus one big pool?
[01:58:16] <LatheBuilder> noxz: strategic placement for material where it is needed perhaps
[02:00:27] <Noxz> I have a new sketchup.. still working on it a little..
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[02:04:21] <LatheBuilder> switching to 2.6 now. Reading the thread you linked. Thanks pcw_home!
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[02:14:54] <cradek> 2.5.4 should be released in a few days
[02:15:11] <cradek> we're waiting on some pncconf changes
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[02:17:35] <shaun413_> Hello all
[02:20:31] <LatheBuilder> hi shaun
[02:21:16] <shaun413_> You build lathes?
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[02:22:21] <LatheBuilder> I did once. I design automation hardware for a living. You?
[02:22:42] <LatheBuilder> pleased to meet you btw
[02:22:56] <shaun413_> You too
[02:23:05] <shaun413_> No. I'm just getting started
[02:23:12] <shaun413_> Trying to find a cheap lathe
[02:23:23] <shaun413_> Thats not too big
[02:23:28] <zeeshan> shaun413_: where are you
[02:23:31] <shaun413_> Nj
[02:23:34] <zeeshan> oh cmon man
[02:23:40] <shaun413_> ?
[02:23:42] <LatheBuilder> what part of the world do you live in? Nebraska
[02:23:43] <zeeshan> you're in usa, you can easily find a decent lathe for cheap.
[02:23:50] <jdh> find em one.
[02:23:52] <jdh> err... me.
[02:23:58] <zeeshan> my friend lives in stockholm, nj
[02:24:05] <zeeshan> and shows me what he finds on craigslist :P
[02:24:06] <shaun413_> Hmmm
[02:24:10] <shaun413_> Well
[02:24:14] <shaun413_> I couldn't find much
[02:24:24] <shaun413_> And I really don't know what I'm looking for...
[02:24:30] <zeeshan> shaun413_: all the good deals will sell in <2 hours
[02:24:30] <LatheBuilder> first machine tool?
[02:24:34] <zeeshan> so you won't even see it pop up
[02:24:38] <zeeshan> unless you constantly monitor
[02:24:38] <shaun413_> Yes
[02:24:48] <shaun413_> First
[02:24:56] <zeeshan> best is have 800$ ready
[02:24:59] <zeeshan> and you can get yourself a very nice lathe
[02:25:11] <shaun413_> Hm
[02:25:20] <shaun413_> What to look for
[02:25:23] <LatheBuilder> I like the harbor freight 7 x 10 for learning, but it is easy to outgrow. space constraints?
[02:25:28] <zeeshan> look for key words like
[02:25:40] <zeeshan> 'lathe' 'southbend' 'myford'
[02:25:40] <shaun413_> That's about the max size 7x15 or so
[02:25:40] <zeeshan> etc
[02:25:48] <zeeshan> there are some tiny myford lathes
[02:25:48] <jdh> I got one of craigslist for $200, still in teh grease
[02:25:56] <zeeshan> jdh haha
[02:25:58] <zeeshan> what'd you search for?
[02:25:59] <LatheBuilder> nice find jdh
[02:26:00] <zeeshan> help shaun out
[02:26:12] <zeeshan> i got my 9x36 for 750$
[02:26:18] <shaun413_> Hm
[02:26:21] <zeeshan> same model sells for 3699 at busybee.ca
[02:26:27] <zeeshan> only thing wrong with it was the contactor
[02:26:30] <LatheBuilder> the harbor freight 7 x 14 is nice for its size/cost
[02:26:41] <zeeshan> the ad was literallyup for 30 minutes
[02:26:43] <zeeshan> before i snagged it :D
[02:26:43] <shaun413_> Really?
[02:27:01] <shaun413_> Everyone tells me to buy an old one
[02:27:05] <shaun413_> Not hf
[02:27:28] <LatheBuilder> my first lathe was a 7 x 10 from hf. Still use it today even though it is the smallest thing in my shop
[02:27:43] <zeeshan> shaun413_: hf lathes are prefectly fine
[02:27:45] <shaun413_> Hhm
[02:27:47] <zeeshan> most people are pro_ USA
[02:27:49] <shaun413_> Rally???
[02:27:55] <shaun413_> Yeah
[02:27:59] <zeeshan> my 9x36 chinese lathe is perfectly fine.
[02:28:05] <zeeshan> look at halligan's videos on youtube.
[02:28:07] <shaun413_> Harbor freight lathes aren't crap.
[02:28:09] <shaun413_> ?
[02:28:13] <zeeshan> he buys both usa made and chinese made
[02:28:32] <zeeshan> i'm assuming you're buy this for a hobbyt
[02:28:35] <zeeshan> they're not crap for that purpose
[02:28:43] <shaun413_> I see
[02:28:55] <LatheBuilder> neighbor bought an old south bend. paid way to much for it but he had to have a "lathe". ways worn out, drive in bad shape, no tooling. it was his first machine tool too, has not used it yet
[02:29:01] <shaun413_> I'm using it to make components for something I'm selling
[02:29:31] <shaun413_> Lathebuilder that's exactly what I'm worried about
[02:29:50] <shaun413_> Lathebuilder is there anything better than HF for the size
[02:30:00] <shaun413_> Like little machine shop
[02:30:31] <zeeshan> http://www.kijiji.ca/v-power-tool/hamilton/metal-lathes/582984294?enableSearchNavigationFlag=true
[02:30:33] <zeeshan> this is another small lathe
[02:30:36] <zeeshan> logan lathe
[02:30:45] <zeeshan> $1300 in canada means you can buy that prolly for 700 in the states
[02:31:09] <shaun413_> Hm
[02:31:11] <zeeshan> the other chinese lathe
[02:31:14] <zeeshan> in white he's selling for 750
[02:31:23] <shaun413_> Yeah
[02:31:29] <zeeshan> but note it has no ability to thread stuff
[02:31:34] <zeeshan> if you're trying to convert to cnc, thats perfect
[02:31:37] <shaun413_> Ah:/
[02:31:47] <shaun413_> I'd need threading
[02:31:52] <LatheBuilder> for the size, i don't think so. HF lathe is made by seig, many others import rebranded versions. Probably the greatest numbers of the 7x sizes around means lots of inexpensive accessories available. collets, toolposts, etc.
[02:32:11] <shaun413_> I see...
[02:32:35] <zeeshan> http://www.kijiji.ca/v-tool-other/hamilton/small-metal-lathe/582932114?enableSearchNavigationFlag=true
[02:32:36] <zeeshan> another lathe
[02:32:38] <zeeshan> 'atlas'
[02:32:41] <zeeshan> but again, no threading i think.
[02:32:49] <shaun413_> Better than sherline or such?
[02:32:50] <zeeshan> im posting this so you can get keywords
[02:32:56] <zeeshan> 10000000x better than sherline
[02:32:59] <zeeshan> sherline is a pansy little lathe
[02:33:03] <zeeshan> thats mean for tiny model engines
[02:33:04] <shaun413_> I mean hf
[02:33:07] <zeeshan> *meant
[02:33:10] <LatheBuilder> thing to know on the hf is not a very powerfull spindle. hands down better than a sherline or a taig
[02:33:17] <shaun413_> Really
[02:33:19] <shaun413_> Hmmm
[02:33:23] <LatheBuilder> though
[02:33:29] <shaun413_> Sherline is more expensive
[02:33:43] <zeeshan> i think sherline is more expensive because of the name
[02:33:47] <shaun413_> I sew
[02:33:57] <zeeshan> and one thing i notice about sherline is you don't get a lot of accessories with it
[02:34:05] <shaun413_> Yeah
[02:34:11] <LatheBuilder> target market for sherline seems to be retired guys who want to occupy their time making tiny models.
[02:34:21] <shaun413_> Yeah
[02:34:21] <zeeshan> like last time i checked, you get things like a 4jaw, 3jaw, steady rest, follower rest
[02:34:26] <zeeshan> included with your hf lathe
[02:34:32] <shaun413_> Hmm
[02:34:36] <shaun413_> Nice
[02:34:47] <zeeshan> if you buy those separately, that can by themself cost 500$
[02:34:47] <LatheBuilder> what size parts do you need to make?
[02:34:51] <shaun413_> Its cheap too
[02:35:02] <shaun413_> Small parts
[02:35:09] <shaun413_> No more an 8 inches or so
[02:35:18] <shaun413_> Long
[02:35:29] <LatheBuilder> small to you may not be small to the lathe we are talking about.
[02:35:44] <shaun413_> I want it to try watchmaking too
[02:35:49] <LatheBuilder> 8 inhces lg by what diameter?
[02:35:56] <shaun413_> 3 maybe
[02:36:13] <LatheBuilder> material?
[02:36:21] <shaun413_> Alum steel brass
[02:36:24] <shaun413_> Plastic
[02:37:05] <LatheBuilder> id threaded both ends?
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[02:37:15] <shaun413_> Possibly
[02:37:24] <skunkworks> find a nice emco trainer...
[02:37:33] <shaun413_> ?
[02:37:47] <LatheBuilder> emco is a brand.
[02:37:57] <shaun413_> Hm
[02:38:44] <LatheBuilder> have a link to pics of what you sell?
[02:38:52] <shaun413_> I don't yet
[02:39:28] <skunkworks> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z_LxyosF2yc
[02:39:53] <zeeshan> skunkworks: fancy
[02:40:01] <zeeshan> sure as hell beats using a dial!
[02:40:08] <skunkworks> sure does!
[02:40:18] <zeeshan> skunkworks: can you know break the sync
[02:40:23] <moorbo> evening
[02:40:26] <zeeshan> when the tool returns to the initial position?
[02:40:27] <moorbo> or morning...
[02:40:27] <LatheBuilder> what i am getting at is: the parts you need to run drive what you "need" in a lathe. If the primary purpose is getting into machining, you can't go wrong with a 7 x 14. If you need to make parts to justify cost, that is something else
[02:40:30] <moorbo> whatever in the internet you are.
[02:41:03] <skunkworks> zeeshan: ?
[02:41:15] <zeeshan> when the spindle goes to the beginning of the thread
[02:41:18] <zeeshan> er
[02:41:28] <zeeshan> the carriage goes to the beginning of the thread, its syncronized with the spindle still
[02:41:35] <zeeshan> can you not speed that up somehow
[02:41:57] <toastyde1th> ?
[02:41:59] <shaun413_> So
[02:42:01] <LatheBuilder> limiter is probably spindle horsepower
[02:42:05] <shaun413_> You all recommend a hf
[02:42:08] <moorbo> shaun413_: stiil looking for a lathe?
[02:42:11] <LatheBuilder> nice vid btw skunkworks
[02:42:18] <shaun413_> Yes moorbo
[02:42:31] <skunkworks> that is about the limit of that machine - using the original electronics... 39ipm iirc
[02:42:37] <zeeshan> ah
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[02:43:49] <skunkworks> 30ipm
[02:43:52] <moorbo> shaun413_: I'm still trying to decide if I want the p5 ;p
[02:43:55] <skunkworks> according the the video
[02:44:10] <shaun413_> ???
[02:44:16] <toastyde1th> something that is 3" in diameter and 8" long is going to be really, really cramped on a 7x14
[02:44:32] <LatheBuilder> agreed.
[02:44:35] <shaun413_> Moorbo people seem to think I should get a hf
[02:44:41] <moorbo> shaun413_: I'd agree
[02:44:47] <shaun413_> Rally???
[02:44:49] <toastyde1th> the number i find on the 7x14s is 4" over the bed
[02:44:50] <moorbo> we have a small one running at my old shop.
[02:44:52] <toastyde1th> er, over the carriage
[02:44:57] <moorbo> or had
[02:45:00] <shaun413_> You say this to get me out of your hair
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[02:45:02] <shaun413_> I feel it
[02:45:06] <moorbo> I haven't worked there
[02:45:10] <moorbo> in a while though
[02:45:13] <moorbo> maybe its been replaced.
[02:45:17] <shaun413_> Hm
[02:45:29] <toastyde1th> all inexpensive import lathes are terrible quality
[02:45:32] <toastyde1th> they will turn, however
[02:45:36] <shaun413_> Hm
[02:45:46] <shaun413_> Well is there better for tg cost
[02:45:48] <LatheBuilder> can't agree with you on that point toastyde1th
[02:45:51] <moorbo> shaun413_: what did reis recommend
[02:45:58] <shaun413_> What makes them terrible quality
[02:46:03] <shaun413_> Idr moorbo
[02:46:09] <moorbo> idr?
[02:46:11] <toastyde1th> sorry - they're terrible castings, the ways are horribly ground
[02:46:21] <shaun413_> Hm
[02:46:21] <toastyde1th> the major casting components are shimmed into place, if anything at all
[02:46:29] <shaun413_> I see
[02:46:33] <moorbo> shaun413_: idr the brand, or is that an abbrev ?
[02:46:35] <zeeshan> toastyde1th: i think its kind of an unfair thing to say 'all inexpesnive import lathes are terrible quality'
[02:46:38] <zeeshan> :P
[02:46:43] <toastyde1th> i don't
[02:46:45] <toastyde1th> because it's the case
[02:46:47] <shaun413_> I don't rememver
[02:46:51] <moorbo> shaun413_: ah
[02:46:55] <zeeshan> you can't have possibly tested all of them
[02:46:57] <toastyde1th> they still TURN things
[02:47:05] <toastyde1th> they just do in in the worst possible way
[02:47:10] <shaun413_> How so
[02:47:12] <zeeshan> then again, i dont have a very cheap ass import either
[02:47:12] <shaun413_> What's bad
[02:47:12] <zeeshan> :P
[02:47:14] <moorbo> shaun413_: I'd suggest working on your budget
[02:47:21] <LatheBuilder> at the price point we are talking about. some import lathes are complete trash I'd agree, but at the small end the 7x10/12/14 family is generally made, if underpowered
[02:47:23] <moorbo> shaun413_: and your requirement, like these guys suggested.
[02:47:24] <shaun413_> So no HF?
[02:47:34] <toastyde1th> the castings also flex like crazy
[02:47:43] <moorbo> you could trust me, but most people don't trust women in the industry apparently ;p
[02:47:43] <toastyde1th> the spindle is itty bitty
[02:47:45] <zeeshan> at what depth of cut?
[02:47:50] <zeeshan> what material?
[02:48:01] <zeeshan> you can get a southbend to flex like crazy if you cut deep enough
[02:48:05] <toastyde1th> lol
[02:48:07] <shaun413_> Hmm
[02:48:13] <shaun413_> Um just so lost here
[02:48:15] <toastyde1th> you realize that "flex like crazy" is a relative judgement
[02:48:21] <zeeshan> yes
[02:48:32] <toastyde1th> do you understand how machine tool static rigidity is tested?
[02:48:35] <shaun413_> Idk where to even start
[02:48:46] <toastyde1th> because if you don't, having a discussion about static rigidity is pointless
[02:48:49] <moorbo> shaun413_: you're mainly turning brass and peek, right?
[02:48:59] <zeeshan> toastyde1th: there are many ways.
[02:49:05] <moorbo> at what, the longest, 100mm ?
[02:50:05] <zeeshan> toastyde1th: what kind of test are you specifically thinking about?
[02:50:07] <toastyde1th> zeeshan, any argument saying that the small import bench lathes are anything but the absolute bottom of the barrel of available lathes is disingenuous at best
[02:50:08] <shaun413_> Yes
[02:50:12] <shaun413_> For now
[02:50:22] <moorbo> shaun413_: whats supposed to come later
[02:50:31] <shaun413_> I want to make watches
[02:50:35] <shaun413_> :p
[02:50:39] <moorbo> shaun413_: i would think about these things as your first machine
[02:50:44] <moorbo> like your first guitar
[02:50:48] <shaun413_> Yes
[02:50:50] <moorbo> you don't buy a billion dollar guitar
[02:50:51] <shaun413_> I'd agree
[02:50:52] <zeeshan> if you're planning to do 100 thou depth of cuts on steel on a small lathe forget about it.
[02:50:55] <moorbo> if you don't know fuck all about them.
[02:51:07] <zeeshan> thats asking a lot out of a 200lb lathe
[02:51:12] <shaun413_> Yes
[02:51:19] <moorbo> zeeshan: his goal atm is for brass and PEEK
[02:51:22] <shaun413_> Not going to happen
[02:51:28] <shaun413_> And alum
[02:51:34] <zeeshan> he can even do steel at lower depth of cuts
[02:51:36] <moorbo> and alu apparently.
[02:51:41] <toastyde1th> zeeshan, you still seem to be completely missing the point. There's a whole constellation of small lathes, and the ones we're discussing are the worst of that size. they still EVENTUALLY cut the part you want to make
[02:51:42] <zeeshan> its all relative size
[02:51:46] <toastyde1th> and they'll get sort of there in terms of accuracy
[02:51:56] <toastyde1th> this argument about "it's relative" is nonsense, because I can take a file and sit there and whittle a part
[02:52:03] <toastyde1th> that does not make my hands and the file a good lathe.
[02:52:11] <shaun413_> True
[02:52:18] <shaun413_> I want a quality lathe
[02:52:23] <moorbo> toastyde1th: whats your suggestion for a sub 1000$ lathe.
[02:52:24] <shaun413_> But not for over 1000
[02:52:24] <toastyde1th> they're inxpensive and a way to get into machining
[02:52:31] <shaun413_> True
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[02:52:39] <shaun413_> I don't need a monarch
[02:52:46] <toastyde1th> and if i couldn't find the budget to get anything else and I was afraid of used equipment (for any reason), i would buy one
[02:53:06] <shaun413_> I'm not afraid of used
[02:53:11] <toastyde1th> because, as the internet has demonstrated, it's quite possible to make parts on all manner of cobbled together machines
[02:53:12] <zeeshan> a lot of older lathes have worn out v-ways
[02:53:19] <shaun413_> Its just a pita sometimes from.my experience
[02:53:40] <toastyde1th> better worn out in the Y axis than never straight to begin with
[02:53:51] <shaun413_> True
[02:54:33] <toastyde1th> most wear occurs in the vertical, and that's why people still like to use old lathes - unless the wear is truly excessive, dropping the tool .005" in height doesn't make a huge difference
[02:54:45] <moorbo> game of thrones time
[02:54:47] <shaun413_> Right
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[02:55:13] <zeeshan> that's true
[02:55:23] <toastyde1th> and in this form factor - stuff under 14x40, few lathes have a ton of wear unless they're abused, because a 14x40 is a toolroom and not a production lathe
[02:55:34] <shaun413_> Yes
[02:55:42] <toastyde1th> but abuse is clearly still something to watch out for and is one of the reasons buying used can be bad for a first timer
[02:55:55] <shaun413_> So what would younrecpmmebd
[02:56:27] <toastyde1th> you aren't going to get a solid recommendation of "buy this," because your budget precludes anything people would strongly, strongly recommend without much argument or contention. you have to decide for yourself, unfortunately.
[02:56:56] <zeeshan> i already told this guy to buy an older southbend, chinese lathe, myford, atlas
[02:56:57] <toastyde1th> you know about some of the used brands, and there's a ton of resources online about the pros and cons of HF-style imports
[02:57:08] <toastyde1th> I'd second any of those
[02:57:37] <zeeshan> the way i looked for my lathe was
[02:57:37] <zeeshan> weight
[02:57:50] <zeeshan> (to narrow down shit from good)
[02:57:53] <toastyde1th> spindle mount and weight are pretty much the go-to methods for speccing out a small lathe
[02:57:56] <zeeshan> and then looked at other things
[02:58:16] <shaun413_> What budget do.I need for a strong reccimendatikn
[02:58:17] <zeeshan> i'm not a big fan of screw on type of chucks
[02:58:19] <toastyde1th> also, the way with vs center height
[02:58:20] <zeeshan> i like the cam lock style
[02:59:01] <toastyde1th> the height of the spindle centerline should not be excessively large compared to the way width, usually 1 to 1.5 on good lathes
[02:59:05] <zeeshan> http://www.busybeetools.com/products/LATHE-12IN.-X-36IN.-2HP-GEAR-HEAD.html
[02:59:06] <zeeshan> i have this baby
[02:59:22] <toastyde1th> shaun413_, unfortunately "good" lathes, used, start in the 2k range
[02:59:23] <zeeshan> can easily do .125 depth of cuts in aluminum
[02:59:32] <shaun413_> Hmm
[02:59:34] <toastyde1th> hopefully you can find one with a bunch of tooling
[02:59:35] <shaun413_> Damn
[02:59:49] <zeeshan> i actually havent tried pushing it
[02:59:49] <shaun413_> In don't need to do those cuts
[02:59:52] <toastyde1th> and "good" import lathes start 5k+
[02:59:59] <shaun413_> Hmm
[03:00:18] <toastyde1th> don't be fooled by talking about depth of cut - just because you aren't going to use that ability doesn't mean the quality and rigidity of construction don't manifest in other areas
[03:00:20] <toastyde1th> like finish cuts
[03:00:36] <toastyde1th> a chatter-free finish cut is greatly assisted by a rigid machine
[03:00:44] <zeeshan> toastyde1th:
[03:00:51] <zeeshan> thats all about dynamic characteristics
[03:00:53] <zeeshan> not static
[03:00:59] <toastyde1th> yes
[03:01:22] <toastyde1th> and none of the lathes we're talking about deal with dynamic rigidity except by adding more mass
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[03:01:42] <zeeshan> well
[03:01:46] <zeeshan> some are stiffer by design
[03:01:56] <zeeshan> you don't necessarily need to add mass to get a better dynamic response out of a lathe
[03:02:04] <toastyde1th> and so, on old lathes, you can very effectively predict dynamic rigidity by measuring the static rigidity
[03:02:04] <shaun413_> Hmm
[03:02:14] <shaun413_> OK I guess I'll be back timmorwo
[03:02:19] <shaun413_> I gtg to bed
[03:02:22] <toastyde1th> if you want to get into a "Who knows more" technical pissing match, that's fine, but it isn't going to help this guy.
[03:02:22] <shaun413_> Night
[03:02:25] <toastyde1th> night
[03:02:28] <zeeshan> cu
[03:02:32] <shaun413_> Cya later
[03:02:34] <zeeshan> toastyde1th: it's not about who knows more
[03:02:47] <toastyde1th> okay, explain to me how bringing that up helped him.
[03:02:57] <zeeshan> no matter what we say its not going to help him
[03:03:03] <zeeshan> cause he doesn't understand the basics
[03:03:07] <zeeshan> if you ask this guy what a tail stock is
[03:03:09] <zeeshan> he prolly doesn't even know
[03:03:14] <humble_sea_bass> toastyde1th: the more important thing to know is that there is no helping shaun413_
[03:03:20] <zeeshan> (no offence shaun)
[03:03:43] <toastyde1th> he's going to waffle until he makes a decision, that's fine
[03:03:54] <toastyde1th> or loses interest, i guess. ha.
[03:04:04] <humble_sea_bass> hopin'
[03:04:05] <zeeshan> i've noticed the people that talk a lot
[03:04:09] <zeeshan> tend to be the ones that dissapear after a while
[03:04:12] <zeeshan> and lose interest
[03:04:26] <zeeshan> the ones that ask specific educated questions tend to end up being successful
[03:06:36] <zeeshan> now back to our WHO KN|OWS more conversation
[03:06:46] <humble_sea_bass> the last word in regidity
[03:06:48] <humble_sea_bass> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pX1cO2XhMrg
[03:06:54] <zeeshan> a while ago, i did an experiment at school trying to determine the static compliance and dynamic compliance of a machine
[03:07:32] <zeeshan> to give you an idea, the static compliance changed from 2.6 micrometers/N to 0.1124 micrometers / N by adding cross bracing
[03:07:44] <zeeshan> but when we did the dynamic compliance study
[03:07:54] <zeeshan> the numbers started getting larger when we added cross-bracing
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[03:08:10] <zeeshan> we actually shifted the natural frequency of the system close to the oscillating load it was seeing
[03:09:16] <zeeshan> how much is that foam cutter
[03:09:16] <zeeshan> lol
[03:09:36] <humble_sea_bass> i think it is made out of the mindstorm kit
[03:09:39] <toastyde1th> yes, but if I can guess, I'd guess the first mode went way up in frequency
[03:09:43] <zeeshan> interesting theyre using nurbs curves
[03:09:44] <humble_sea_bass> and not much else
[03:09:46] <zeeshan> for geometry
[03:10:39] <zeeshan> all we did buy adding the cross braces is changed the stiffness of the machine
[03:10:42] <humble_sea_bass> there are lots of direct modelers folks like
[03:10:49] <toastyde1th> right - i'm not saying you did anything but that
[03:10:51] <zeeshan> naturalfrequency = square root of (stiffness/mass)
[03:10:54] <humble_sea_bass> 3DS max or rhino even
[03:11:17] <zeeshan> so the natural frequency of the system was 120Hz for example
[03:11:25] <zeeshan> but our motor was running at 120Hz also
[03:11:27] <toastyde1th> okay, i'm done, i don't really want to be lectured about things I already know
[03:11:34] <zeeshan> lol okay
[03:11:51] <zeeshan> machinists vs engineers
[03:11:53] <zeeshan> FTW!
[03:12:04] <toastyde1th> no, someone explaining shit someone else already knows to that person
[03:12:15] <zeeshan> well you don't clearly understand it well enough
[03:12:19] <toastyde1th> clearly.
[03:12:26] <humble_sea_bass> i use my advanced vibrations book as a monitor stand
[03:12:29] <zeeshan> because earlier you said mass is a good way to determine how 'rigid a machine is in both static and dynamic modes'
[03:12:35] <toastyde1th> lol
[03:12:49] <toastyde1th> i didn't actually say that
[03:12:52] <zeeshan> humble_sea_bass: lol
[03:12:52] <toastyde1th> you invited a quote wholesale
[03:12:57] <toastyde1th> so again
[03:13:01] <zeeshan> <toastyde1th> and so, on old lathes, you can very effectively predict dynamic rigidity by measuring the static rigidity
[03:13:06] <toastyde1th> YEP
[03:13:09] <toastyde1th> and that's true!
[03:13:18] <humble_sea_bass> that is true
[03:13:24] <toastyde1th> a heuristic!
[03:13:26] <toastyde1th> shocking!
[03:13:29] <humble_sea_bass> it is ano brainer
[03:13:34] <humble_sea_bass> rule of thumb
[03:13:39] <zeeshan> so you're telling me if you changed the oscillating load your machine saw
[03:13:48] <zeeshan> that would have no effect on your dynamic rigidity ?
[03:13:55] <toastyde1th> loooooool
[03:14:22] <humble_sea_bass> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W0Mod_92VZA
[03:14:30] <toastyde1th> if you aren't going to spend even a fraction of a second thinking about what I'm saying, and instead jumping ahead to piss knowledge all over everyone
[03:14:38] <toastyde1th> I'm not sure what to say to you
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[03:15:31] <humble_sea_bass> keeping work load mass the same across the board, a more massive machine will be more rigid
[03:15:54] <zeeshan> unfortunately on a lathe
[03:16:10] <zeeshan> is a variable oscillatory load
[03:16:23] <humble_sea_bass> yeah I just linked that
[03:16:30] <zeeshan> even if you kept the magnitude of the load constant, the frequency varies w/ your spindle
[03:16:37] <zeeshan> or even down to how the chips are breaking off
[03:16:40] <humble_sea_bass> this fucking guy has a maple burl
[03:17:24] <zeeshan> all he has to do is change the spindle speed to match close to the natural frequency of the machine
[03:17:28] <zeeshan> and that thing would go absolutely nuts
[03:17:31] <toastyde1th> zeeshan, you are rushing to respondto what you think other people are saying without taking the time to understand the point that's being made.
[03:17:50] <toastyde1th> none of what you're saying is actually being debated
[03:17:51] <toastyde1th> which is why it's being ignored
[03:18:15] <zeeshan> then explain to me how static mass is a good measure of a machines dynamic rigidity
[03:18:27] <zeeshan> cause i fail to see the relatiosnhip
[03:18:36] <humble_sea_bass> "wow this is cutting like shit"
[03:18:40] <Jymmm> zeeshan: MAgic Carpet Theory
[03:18:53] <zeeshan> i mean if that was the bloody case
[03:19:01] <humble_sea_bass> >> change feed rate and/or spindle speed
[03:19:02] <zeeshan> we wouldnt have bridges oscillating like they weigh 10 lb
[03:19:43] <humble_sea_bass> 10lb weigts can't make a bridge oscilate
[03:19:46] <humble_sea_bass> science fact
[03:19:54] <toastyde1th> lol, okay, that's not what HE said either
[03:20:11] <Noxz> so I was linked to this channel from elsewhere.. linuxcnc is a software control? nothing more?
[03:20:12] <humble_sea_bass> you need some crazy loads to get it going
[03:20:29] <toastyde1th> humble_sea_bass, that's not what he's talking about
[03:20:34] <humble_sea_bass> i know
[03:20:39] <Jymmm> humble_sea_bass: $1000 USD via Paypal says otherwise
[03:21:09] <zeeshan> this is what im talking about
[03:21:10] <zeeshan> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/7/7b/Forced_Vibration_Response.png
[03:21:18] <humble_sea_bass> give me a lever and I'll move the world situations don't count
[03:21:48] <zeeshan> the reason i know mass is not necessarily a good measure of dynamic rigidity is for the same reason
[03:21:59] <humble_sea_bass> yeah. system dynamics 101
[03:22:00] <toastyde1th> zeeshan, what are machine tools made out of
[03:22:06] <zeeshan> why you end up changing spindle speed, feedrate or whatever when you notice chatter
[03:22:15] <zeeshan> because you're trying to change the frequency ratio
[03:22:24] <toastyde1th> seriously - what are they made out of.
[03:22:32] <zeeshan> what the insert
[03:22:35] <zeeshan> or the actual TOOL
[03:22:39] <zeeshan> or the casting
[03:22:39] <humble_sea_bass> cheese
[03:22:40] <toastyde1th> the physical machine
[03:22:41] <Jymmm> toastyde1th: guts and stuff
[03:22:42] <toastyde1th> the casting
[03:22:45] <zeeshan> usually cast iron
[03:22:47] <toastyde1th> right
[03:22:48] <zeeshan> nodular
[03:22:49] <toastyde1th> and what is cast iron
[03:23:05] <zeeshan> basically fe mixed with more than 4% carbon
[03:23:26] <toastyde1th> i guess that was a fairly disingenuous question on my part because i'm looking for a rather edge response
[03:23:27] <toastyde1th> so i apologize
[03:23:32] <toastyde1th> it's a damper
[03:23:41] <zeeshan> yes it is
[03:23:42] <toastyde1th> a pretty good one at the frequencies we're concerned about
[03:24:03] <zeeshan> so then say that
[03:24:11] <zeeshan> a bigger casting means itll have more natural dampening in it
[03:24:14] <toastyde1th> no, because i'm playing the game you're playing
[03:24:22] <zeeshan> that makes sense
[03:24:28] <zeeshan> saying it just has more mass means nothing to me
[03:24:32] <humble_sea_bass> my sister used to have this beat up 1986 toyota something or other that would vibrate like the apocalyps at 76 mph
[03:24:39] <Jymmm> toastyde1th: Words with friends?
[03:26:13] <toastyde1th> it also turns out that the specifics of how gain and damping work at the tool interface are affected by the static rigidity of the machine - it doesn't actually feed into the calculation except that both are functions of the static rigidity
[03:26:21] <zeeshan> interesting cast iron has a damping factor of 0.0015
[03:26:27] <zeeshan> and epoxy granite has 0.01-0.05
[03:26:39] <toastyde1th> ya, epoxy is a much better casting material
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[03:28:52] <toastyde1th> although at the time I was involved with that I didn't stand a chance of understanding the math involved, so i don't understand why that's the case
[03:29:49] <zeeshan> i've never learned at school that its as simple of a relationship as you describe it to be
[03:29:58] <zeeshan> and thats my problem with why i've been "talking back"
[03:30:29] <toastyde1th> in general it isn't that simple - you are correct
[03:31:13] <zeeshan> they've always made us do an experiment to determine the static deflection curves, then do a bunch of tests to determine the systems dynamic response
[03:31:15] <toastyde1th> the specific thing, and i'll describe it as best i'm able because it was somebody's phd dissertation and I was 2nd year mech e at the time
[03:31:26] <toastyde1th> has almost nothing to do with the actual dynamic response of the system
[03:31:30] <zeeshan> after that you can make a good solution on how to fix the problem
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[03:31:46] <toastyde1th> the thing they're looking at is how the tool, oscillating in the cut itself, changes the gain and damping
[03:31:49] <zeeshan> are you a mech eng?
[03:31:54] <toastyde1th> math guy now, i switched out
[03:31:59] <zeeshan> after what year
[03:32:02] <toastyde1th> 2nd
[03:32:06] <zeeshan> i only learned vibrations in 3rd year
[03:32:16] <zeeshan> like a specific course on vibrations
[03:32:20] <toastyde1th> never had one
[03:32:41] <toastyde1th> we wind up seeing a lot of the math as examples in our coursework
[03:32:59] <zeeshan> after all its math where we get our models from :)
[03:33:00] <toastyde1th> but i still haven't had a proper course on vibration
[03:33:07] <pcw_home> Thats interesting, they have used piezoelectric materials with resistive loads as passive damping devices
[03:33:30] <zeeshan> pcw_home: sounds like an acoustics application
[03:36:06] <zeeshan> you've prolly seen this equation
[03:36:15] <zeeshan> mx" + cx' + kx = 0
[03:36:26] <zeeshan> i mean you see 3 things right there that effect the dynamic response of the system
[03:36:32] <zeeshan> mass, damping and stiffness
[03:36:55] <zeeshan> and really out of that the only relationship to static rigidity would be mass
[03:40:05] <humble_sea_bass> laplace everything and you can go home and smoke a doob
[03:40:16] <zeeshan> haha
[03:40:29] <zeeshan> laplace is the man
[03:40:33] <Noxz> so.. I think I might have been convinced to do this epoxy+granite base.. anywhere that I should begin?design, ratios, etc?
[03:40:49] <zeeshan> Noxz: convinced how?
[03:40:51] <zeeshan> :P
[03:41:01] <Noxz> like, it makes sense, right?
[03:41:08] <Noxz> notsure how much extra it may be in the end
[03:41:10] <humble_sea_bass> Nox, trial and error or just copy what some other dude did
[03:41:21] <Noxz> but seems more stable than some 80/20 lined up next to eachother
[03:41:24] <zeeshan> how much does epoxy granite weigh?
[03:42:29] <zeeshan> holy cow
[03:42:32] <Noxz> a bit?
[03:42:35] <zeeshan> that looks like some nasty but neat stuff
[03:43:03] <zeeshan> it looks like concrete
[03:43:23] <toastyde1th> it's epoxy and rock aggrigate
[03:43:27] <humble_sea_bass> I think captain said it was 10% epoxy
[03:43:51] <zeeshan> i can't see it hurting
[03:43:53] <toastyde1th> there's very little publically available data on how to mix the aggrigate
[03:44:05] <zeeshan> but its hard to know what it'll do without measuring the response of your machine right now
[03:44:06] <toastyde1th> and the final outcome is very, very sensitive to the mixture
[03:44:11] <humble_sea_bass> it looks like it is a "to taste" type thing
[03:44:25] <toastyde1th> it's not
[03:44:35] <zeeshan> i wonder how much it'd cost to make your own hammer with a load cell and hook up an accelrometer
[03:45:03] <zeeshan> http://www.cnccookbook.com/CCMillEpoxyFill.htm
[03:45:10] <zeeshan> this guy added 40kg of epoxy
[03:45:16] <humble_sea_bass> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WdfpDenJ2zY
[03:45:20] <toastyde1th> usually what people do is get a mix of different size rock
[03:45:24] <humble_sea_bass> yep. sure looks sensitive
[03:45:49] <humble_sea_bass> some of those look like ass
[03:45:50] <toastyde1th> yes, because what some dude on the internet is doing in his kitchen is the pinnacle of engineering
[03:46:09] <toastyde1th> the issue is you want as much large rock as possible, to minimize the amount of epoxy
[03:46:26] <zeeshan> unfortunately the bottom line is
[03:46:33] <zeeshan> people are "designing stuff"
[03:46:38] <zeeshan> but don't do any calculations :P
[03:46:40] <toastyde1th> haha
[03:46:57] <toastyde1th> it's hard to do it horrifyingly poorly as long as the amount of epoxy stays low
[03:47:01] <humble_sea_bass> Iterate
[03:47:02] <toastyde1th> you can wind up with a lot of voids
[03:47:19] <zeeshan> Noxz: arent you the guy building a milling machine out of 8020?
[03:47:19] <toastyde1th> but if you have a high percentage of epoxy, you wind up with a very weak casting
[03:47:57] <zeeshan> what happens if you take a hammer to epoxy granite
[03:48:00] <zeeshan> does it chip off?
[03:48:07] <zeeshan> like a rock
[03:48:20] <Noxz> zeeshan: did you forget about me that quickly?
[03:48:23] <toastyde1th> not sure, never seen anyone hit a casting
[03:48:26] <zeeshan> Noxz: haha
[03:48:37] <zeeshan> you've never hammered a casting?!
[03:48:43] <toastyde1th> not an epoxy casting
[03:48:44] <zeeshan> its the best way to break apart engine blocks
[03:48:45] <zeeshan> :D
[03:48:47] <toastyde1th> hahah
[03:49:06] <zeeshan> im curious to know if the epoxy piece just falls out
[03:49:14] <zeeshan> or if there is a strong bond between the epoxy and the steel too
[03:49:33] <zeeshan> kinda like if you're making ice cubes, do they fall out easily
[03:49:51] <zeeshan> i bet its something like jb weld epoxy
[03:49:55] <zeeshan> makes a strong bond
[03:50:24] <zeeshan> At this point, I can't see much point in monkeying with success. It may be that a 10% epoxy formula would be better, but this will work just fine for this project. I plan to keep Epoxy Granite in mind for other projects. I understand it sets up with an accuracy of 0.001" on top if you get rid of bubbles, so you could make a surface plate from it.
[03:50:32] <zeeshan> haha
[03:50:39] <zeeshan> that would be sweet, making your own surface plate out of epoxy granite
[03:50:50] <toastyde1th> haha that would be horrifying
[03:50:53] <toastyde1th> how would you make it flat
[03:51:03] <toastyde1th> i mean if .001 was okay, then it's not a problem
[03:51:08] <zeeshan> maybe pour it in some horrendously accurate mold
[03:51:15] <humble_sea_bass> use an expensive precision granite to make yours
[03:51:19] <zeeshan> HBAHA
[03:51:23] <zeeshan> that would work!
[03:51:34] <humble_sea_bass> and get it done before they get back and see what you did
[03:51:35] <toastyde1th> yeah but you still have the same problem - you have to be able to resurface the plate
[03:51:53] <toastyde1th> granite is nice because it's hard as shit and doesn't wear fast at all
[03:52:02] <toastyde1th> and can be resurfaced very accurately
[03:52:10] <zeeshan> ive never seen granite resurfacing
[03:52:16] <zeeshan> what do they use some diamond tools
[03:52:26] <toastyde1th> dry diamond grit and cast iron hand laps
[03:53:00] <zeeshan> now that im looking at a starrett granite plate online
[03:53:01] <toastyde1th> and a beam straightedge that sits maybe 10" up off the plate, on a kinematic mount
[03:53:07] <zeeshan> looks very much like this guys epoxy granite haha
[03:53:13] <toastyde1th> scraped in so that it's level when it's sagging under gravity
[03:54:07] <zeeshan> now im curious to see how flat my glass computer table is
[03:54:32] <zeeshan> i always see people using glass and sand paper on top of it
[03:54:35] <zeeshan> to flatten things out
[03:54:45] <toastyde1th> locally, glass is very flat
[03:54:59] <toastyde1th> it's not at all flat over any actual distance (6" and on"
[03:55:00] <toastyde1th> )
[03:55:03] <zeeshan> ah
[03:55:08] <zeeshan> from what i remember
[03:55:12] <humble_sea_bass> i love large floated glass windows because of the wavyness
[03:55:23] <zeeshan> i saw a guy polishing a 1" diameter mirror
[03:55:43] <zeeshan> for laser usage in his gyro laser setup
[03:55:45] <zeeshan> or whatever you call those things
[03:55:47] <humble_sea_bass> stay away from the telescope mirror polishers
[03:56:06] <humble_sea_bass> it is a religion
[03:56:25] <zeeshan> http://media.npr.org/assets/img/2012/01/25/mirror-polishing_custom-c6e54cca037912aaf033bf94d7a043b37e8c95b7-s6-c30.jpg
[03:56:35] <zeeshan> that comes up when i searched for telescope mirror polishers
[03:56:35] <zeeshan> haha
[03:56:41] <zeeshan> look at the girls screen
[03:56:55] <zeeshan> i think the right screen is showing all the low/high spots
[03:57:04] <toastyde1th> that fucking thing is so crazy
[03:57:18] <toastyde1th> it's a deterministic polishing machine
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[03:57:35] <toastyde1th> deformable lap with like 40 actuators on it
[03:57:48] <zeeshan> thats precision!
[03:58:03] <toastyde1th> so as the lap rotates, the profile of the lapping plate is deformed to match the theoretical curvature of the workpiece
[03:58:16] <humble_sea_bass> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pBuWG32Py1A
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[03:59:04] <zeeshan> that big round frosted looking glass piece = telescope polisher?
[03:59:13] <zeeshan> (is that what youw ere referring to?)
[03:59:18] <toastyde1th> ?
[03:59:23] <zeeshan> humble_sea_bass:
[03:59:31] <zeeshan> > stay away from the telescope mirror polishers
[03:59:57] <humble_sea_bass> yeah those guys with the "How to make a telescope" book (an actual book)
[04:00:25] <zeeshan> i dont think i'd have the patience to make one
[04:00:29] <somenewguy> i know a retired dude who used to do that
[04:00:35] <zeeshan> though ive always wanted a refractive telescope
[04:00:38] <toastyde1th> that guy is grinding that mirror blank in the slowest way i've ever seen
[04:01:39] <somenewguy> never talks details, I assume it was a lot of gov stuff, but the point he always goes back to was the guys who managed the pitch were magicians/clansmen who would NEVER share thier secrets, you best apprentice son
[04:01:57] <humble_sea_bass> here is a bbc video walking you throug the process, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p0iyRgRhvLk
[04:02:45] <zeeshan> man i'd just bust out an orbital sander for that shit
[04:02:50] <zeeshan> screw hand labour
[04:03:01] <humble_sea_bass> yeah see. you're out of the club
[04:03:13] <zeeshan> i did enough hand labour when i prepped my car for paint
[04:03:16] <zeeshan> its kind of a similar process
[04:03:17] <humble_sea_bass> you just got your walking papers from the diy telecope club
[04:03:23] <zeeshan> haha
[04:03:56] <somenewguy> hahaha
[04:05:31] <zeeshan> i wanna show you guys some pics of this
[04:06:43] <zeeshan> cmon imgur
[04:06:45] <zeeshan> don't dissapoint me
[04:07:21] <toastyde1th> christ, all these people are obsessed with making lenses the hardest way possible
[04:07:57] <zeeshan> http://imgur.com/a/xzg82
[04:08:00] <zeeshan> 3rd pic is how it all starts
[04:08:06] <toastyde1th> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=noBWSeozpkI
[04:08:10] <zeeshan> note the low and high spots (black and greyish are low spots)
[04:08:21] <zeeshan> when you're done just painting and stuff it comes out like the 4th pic
[04:08:35] <zeeshan> 2nd and last pic show how you gotta sand the painted clear coat again to get it mirror smooth
[04:08:41] <zeeshan> and the finished product is the first pic
[04:08:57] <zeeshan> so i guess polishing mirrors is very similar to car painting
[04:09:04] <toastyde1th> ya
[04:09:09] <toastyde1th> except minus the interferometry step
[04:09:29] <zeeshan> and the fact you can sit on your butt and do it!
[04:09:32] <zeeshan> ill never paint a car again
[04:09:51] <toastyde1th> you can walk the hell away from a lens grinding op
[04:09:53] <toastyde1th> and just come back later
[04:10:07] <toastyde1th> i never got the hang of running the lapping machine where I used to work
[04:10:10] <toastyde1th> big 40" lapping wheel
[04:10:39] <zeeshan> toastyde1th: you have a funny job path, you finished a math degree and you're doing machine work
[04:10:39] <zeeshan> hehe
[04:10:46] <toastyde1th> other way around
[04:10:52] <zeeshan> oh
[04:10:57] <toastyde1th> machining -> eng -> had to move and restart -> physics -> math
[04:11:08] <zeeshan> are you still doing machining stuff?
[04:11:11] <zeeshan> or math related work
[04:11:14] <toastyde1th> and now I'm working full time in IT, but they pay me to go to school
[04:11:39] <toastyde1th> nah, i just find math interesting, i don't want to be a mathematician
[04:11:41] <zeeshan> im always interested to know what math people end up doing
[04:11:59] <zeeshan> lots of variety of fields hire math degree people
[04:12:00] <humble_sea_bass> making money
[04:12:13] <toastyde1th> ya, everyone i know who did math are all in totally random fields
[04:12:19] <toastyde1th> if they didn't do academia
[04:12:34] <zeeshan> i love math
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[04:13:00] <zeeshan> i like seeing where it comes from and how to use it
[04:13:13] <zeeshan> did you use matlab
[04:13:18] <zeeshan> or fortran or something like that
[04:13:25] <toastyde1th> nope, i'm on the pure math side
[04:13:31] <zeeshan> ah
[04:13:41] <zeeshan> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CKxjikVs_4Q
[04:13:45] <zeeshan> i used to do this for fun
[04:13:46] <zeeshan> haha
[04:13:58] <zeeshan> solve out various wave equations and move em with time
[04:14:58] <toastyde1th> i hated my ode class
[04:15:11] <toastyde1th> it was very very geared toward non-math majors, but didn't have any applications either
[04:15:18] <toastyde1th> it was this weird bastardized class that nobody was happy with
[04:15:22] <zeeshan> got lucky with mine
[04:15:28] <zeeshan> an engineer taught ours
[04:15:34] <zeeshan> so it was very easy to follow
[04:15:46] <toastyde1th> also ours was packed full of every solution method ever, regardless of utility
[04:15:46] <humble_sea_bass> sounds like this complex analysis class i took
[04:15:59] <humble_sea_bass> I was so excited to take it, and then it just blew
[04:16:06] <zeeshan> haha
[04:16:13] <zeeshan> i think learning to solve odes is kind of silly
[04:16:18] <zeeshan> actually nm
[04:16:19] <zeeshan> its important
[04:16:24] <humble_sea_bass> laplace or bust
[04:16:34] <zeeshan> in reality, most real life ones need to be solved numerically
[04:16:37] <toastyde1th> didn't touch laplace with a ten foot pole, which infuriated me
[04:16:51] <zeeshan> humble_sea_bass: when you say laplace
[04:16:56] <zeeshan> are you talking about using laplace transforms?
[04:17:03] <toastyde1th> yeah
[04:17:04] <zeeshan> or laplace partial differential equation
[04:17:05] <zeeshan> oh
[04:17:58] <zeeshan> ODEs i used to solve that equation i posted earlier the mx" + cx' + kx = 0 shit
[04:18:04] <toastyde1th> ya
[04:18:13] <humble_sea_bass> my bad, talking PDE, but that and Controls/Dynamics are what suckered me into the complex analysis class
[04:18:17] <zeeshan> if it wasn't equatl to 0 and equal to some sin function, then you had to use another method
[04:18:35] <toastyde1th> annihilator method or superposition
[04:18:37] <zeeshan> in mechanical vibrations we had to solve em but also understand what was going on
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[04:18:43] <zeeshan> i never learned annhilator
[04:18:50] <zeeshan> we did it through superposition
[04:18:59] <zeeshan> or through 'guessing'
[04:19:02] <toastyde1th> lol
[04:19:05] <zeeshan> what the solution is supposed to look like
[04:19:29] <zeeshan> that's all ODEs were useful for in my opinion
[04:19:32] <zeeshan> the beauty is in PDEs
[04:19:34] <toastyde1th> i'd have preferred to just learn laplace transforms
[04:19:51] <toastyde1th> rather than 400 methods to solve second order linear odes
[04:19:53] <zeeshan> i use that shit in heat transfer, fluid mechanics, CFD, strength of materials
[04:20:14] <toastyde1th> i'll probably never take a PDE class, i am horrible at memorization
[04:20:15] <zeeshan> they taught us how to solve that mx" blah blah equation using laplace transforms in the controls class
[04:20:27] <toastyde1th> i got a D in ODE because i couldn't memorize 40 tables of solutions
[04:20:36] <zeeshan> i dont think pde class has a lot of memorization
[04:20:41] <toastyde1th> understood all the linear algebra and basis for the solution
[04:20:50] <toastyde1th> just couldn't do the work without a book next to me
[04:20:52] <zeeshan> they teach you the wave equation, laplace equation, transport equation and stuf like that
[04:20:58] <zeeshan> which all has very real life applications
[04:21:29] <toastyde1th> yeah
[04:21:34] <toastyde1th> i wanted to learn more modeling
[04:21:46] <somenewguy> why the heck does axis keep claming i don't have aR value declared in my G81
[04:21:55] <zeeshan> like in my current CFD class which i have an exam for on wednesday
[04:22:09] <zeeshan> we're using laplace equation to solve a typical cavity heat transfer problem
[04:22:16] <zeeshan> its pretty frigging cool when you plot it all out using a computer
[04:22:32] <zeeshan> http://i.imgur.com/CCK8Wl7.png
[04:22:40] <zeeshan> the left and right walls are insulation
[04:22:49] <zeeshan> top is cold, bottom wall is hot
[04:23:02] <zeeshan> so you have natural convection happening which you can solve using the energy PDE
[04:23:12] <zeeshan> gives you fancy things like that
[04:23:34] <toastyde1th> maybe one day i'll be able to go back and take that class
[04:23:36] <humble_sea_bass> what's the name of the ansys program to make meshes for testing
[04:23:47] <humble_sea_bass> jack something or other
[04:24:01] <zeeshan> im learned ansys 14.5 workbench
[04:24:13] <zeeshan> you run 4-5 different programs within it
[04:24:23] <humble_sea_bass> anyways, we made dongs and tested how aerodynamic they were 8==D
[04:24:25] <zeeshan> i think the sub program is called CFX-MESH
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[04:24:32] <zeeshan> humble_sea_bass: ROFL
[04:24:38] <zeeshan> great way to learn
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[04:24:53] <zeeshan> making a dong in ansys modeling would be a pain in the ass!
[04:25:10] <zeeshan> better off throwing in an inventor model in there
[04:26:27] <zeeshan> why are mitutoyo telescoping gauges so expensive
[04:27:24] <zeeshan> http://www.ebay.ca/itm/Fowler-and-Mitutoyo-telescoping-gage-/331173777240?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item4d1b7ecf58
[04:27:29] <somenewguy> odes are awesome
[04:27:42] <zeeshan> math is awesome!
[04:27:54] <zeeshan> its the main reason im trying to finish my masters
[04:28:00] <zeeshan> im trying to specialize in plastic deformation
[04:28:05] <zeeshan> and that means learning more math stuff! tensors
[04:28:05] <somenewguy> that is why I take recreational arithmatic
[04:28:22] <zeeshan> whats that
[04:28:32] <somenewguy> my best friends dad 'adopted' me in highschool
[04:28:34] <zeeshan> usually people say 'i take recreational drugs'
[04:28:42] <zeeshan> not 'recreational arthimetic'
[04:28:45] <zeeshan> :)
[04:28:59] <somenewguy> stolen from dr who, but an accurate description
[04:29:26] <somenewguy> but anyways he is a brilliant mathamagician, MIT grad in aero, reads linear algebra books for fun
[04:29:49] <somenewguy> but when we get drunk he just rambles about whatever he is learning about, 90%$ of it goes over my head despite me being pretty good at the stuff, the man is in a league of his own
[04:29:50] <zeeshan> conceptual linear algebra is my weak point
[04:29:55] <zeeshan> as soon as people talk about vector spaces and stuff
[04:29:57] <zeeshan> i get very lost :{
[04:30:13] <somenewguy> translations, mapping, it gets weird fast
[04:30:21] <zeeshan> yep
[04:30:30] <somenewguy> alll his girls were nerdy, but the wrong kind, so he was happy to find someone who almost got it
[04:30:57] <somenewguy> (also they were cute, but we avoid the subject there)
[04:31:06] <zeeshan> haha
[04:31:50] <somenewguy> worked out ok, I'm only actually friends w/ him at this point lol and they have gone off to go get married so we get our math and scotch time all to ourselves
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[11:49:07] <Tom_itx> omg... it was 82F yesterday, now it's snowing
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[11:53:10] <XXCoder> hot snow. heh
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[12:20:12] <somenewguy_bu> tom, you moved to new england?
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[12:26:52] <Tom_itx> nope still in Ks where the weather changes every 5 min
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[12:36:35] <GuShH_> Tom_itx: So the grass is too sharp huh
[12:37:18] <GuShH_> Speaking of which, how come now I'm having to pick up a purchase, after the seller said he would send it over because "it's in my way to work" ?
[12:40:12] <archivist> picking up means you can look at the sellers pile and try to get extra free/cheap goodies
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[12:42:10] <GuShH_> archivist: well we already established as much but he was going to bring the extra stuff on his way to work
[12:42:21] <GuShH_> he wants me to pick it up at the automotive plant he works at...
[12:42:33] <GuShH_> not very convenient.
[12:43:58] <archivist> I went a long way for some assorted stereo zoom microscopes, came back with an HP 3562A, win
[12:44:00] <GuShH_> (2 hours lost for me, it would have been 30 minutes for him)
[12:44:19] <GuShH_> I just traced it on google maps, to figure out where the plant is at.
[12:44:41] <GuShH_> but it's ok.
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[12:45:10] <archivist> http://www.collection.archivist.info/archive/DJCTM/EQ/2009_01_01_a/P3222889_3562A.jpg
[12:45:19] <GuShH_> archivist: he's got some jacobs chucks, some british keyless chucks and live centers I'm interested in, plus a lot of HSS bits I need (which is what I already purchased)... I doubt they've got much else at the plant
[12:45:48] <GuShH_> Faurecia is a big plant, they most likely run carbide insert on everything and they don't keep crap around.
[12:45:54] <GuShH_> assuming they manufacture stuff.
[12:46:06] <archivist> carbide is worth a reasonable amount scrap
[12:46:13] <GuShH_> (I'm kidding of course they do it's a massive plant)
[12:46:37] <GuShH_> But I think they deal with catalytic converters or similar stuff
[12:46:43] <GuShH_> So perhaps mostly stamping work
[12:47:07] <archivist> and welding/plating
[12:51:05] <GuShH_> most likely
[12:51:13] <TekniQue> 12:45:05 < archivist> http://www.collection.archivist.info/archive/DJCTM/EQ/2009_01_01_a/P3222889_3562A.jpg
[12:51:25] <TekniQue> what is that, a network analyzer?
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[12:51:40] <GuShH_> signal analyzer!
[12:51:56] <GuShH_> that's after you cleaned it up or as you got it?
[12:54:09] <archivist> after a bit of a clean and fix one key
[12:54:51] <archivist> sort of a dual spectrum/network analyser .001hs to 25khz
[12:55:33] <archivist> but since then it died and I am looking for a shottky diode to fix it
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[12:56:46] <GuShH_> one of the odd diodes nobody has anymore?
[12:56:47] <archivist> it is meant for mechanical system testing
[12:57:19] <archivist> yes a rare type of diode case
[12:57:54] <archivist> I think it is going to get modded to fit a later type
[12:58:42] <archivist> it is half the switchmode rectifier half wave rectifier
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[13:01:16] <archivist> 50V 75A VSK71
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[13:07:04] <GuShH_> from the smps?
[13:07:21] <GuShH_> why do you need exactly the same diode? for historical reasons? heh
[13:08:01] <archivist> well it would bolt in, where this need a fiddle http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/190836942357
[13:09:24] <GuShH_> why does it need so much power?
[13:09:48] <archivist> no idea, this is better voltage right case http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/60HQ100-Schottky-Rectifier-Diode-100v-60A-DO5-IR-Blocking-Polarity-Safety-etc-/181376376244
[13:10:19] <GuShH_> it might give the smps diarrhea though.
[13:10:34] <GuShH_> (mexico)
[13:10:56] * GuShH_ likes spicy food but he draws the line right about there
[13:11:18] <GuShH_> it should make you sweat coming in, not out.
[13:11:20] * GuShH_ runs
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[14:39:43] <witnit> http://oi60.tinypic.com/2zp70gn.jpg
[14:40:28] <witnit> http://oi61.tinypic.com/21kb881.jpg
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[14:40:48] <witnit> intermec 3400 thermal label printer
[14:40:52] <witnit> verrrrrrrry handy
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[14:54:53] <Jymmm> So is a hooker when you think about it.
[14:55:23] <Jymmm> witnit: Where did the beige come from?
[14:55:58] <witnit> pre printed like that I suppose
[14:56:06] <TekniQue> witnit: is it a thermal transfer or does it use labels impregnated with thermal ink?
[14:56:13] <Jymmm> witnit: ah
[14:56:21] <witnit> preggers
[14:56:31] <TekniQue> k
[14:56:41] <witnit> I think?
[14:57:01] <TekniQue> yeah that's what it would be unless it has an ink ribbon
[14:57:02] <witnit> its only like $60 for 5800 labels on ebay
[14:57:19] <witnit> 4x4 though,. they are 4x6
[14:57:23] <TekniQue> I quite like my Dymo Rhino label printer
[14:57:29] <Jymmm> witnit: does the printer have a ribbon in it?
[14:57:33] <witnit> no
[14:57:39] <witnit> thermal print head I guess
[14:57:45] <Jymmm> k
[14:57:58] <witnit> I dont know much about these things but I know I got three of them now and they are awesome
[14:57:59] <Jymmm> so you use thermal labels
[14:58:09] <Jymmm> ?
[14:58:11] <witnit> with the network card in them
[14:58:12] <TekniQue> there's a good selection of labels available for it, including heat shrink tubing
[14:58:18] <TekniQue> very good for labelling wires
[14:58:26] <witnit> ooooh
[14:58:35] <Jymmm> witnit: where did you get some many ?
[14:58:37] <witnit> I think I want to do some more research on it now
[14:58:48] <Jymmm> so many
[14:58:51] <witnit> I buy bulk from this guy about 40 minutes away
[14:59:05] <TekniQue> and it has a module mode to print labels for things like circuit breakers
[14:59:05] <Jymmm> about how much?
[14:59:11] <witnit> and he had three so I got em all and like $500 worth of other stuff
[14:59:17] <witnit> 10 each... maybe...
[14:59:23] <TekniQue> where you enter the width of the modules and it'll align all the labels in the row accordingly
[14:59:24] <witnit> he gets me great deal
[14:59:44] <Jymmm> witnit: Oh man, I've been wanting one for years
[14:59:45] <witnit> wow tekni that sounds great
[14:59:51] <witnit> well I have three
[15:00:17] <Jymmm> witnit: Well, if oyu get a chance, mdel# and what your asking for me
[15:00:20] <witnit> I dont need three
[15:00:27] <Jymmm> one
[15:00:37] <witnit> I can come off off the lower resolution one.
[15:00:42] <witnit> where you live?
[15:00:47] <Jymmm> Calif
[15:00:56] <witnit> Im in indiana
[15:00:57] <TekniQue> https://scontent-a-lhr.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn2/t31.0-8/1082611_10151561608041662_822024172_o.jpg
[15:01:14] <witnit> prettttyyyy
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[15:01:25] <Jymmm> That's a LOT of XLR connetors!
[15:01:28] <TekniQue> labelled sockets on my dyno controller
[15:01:38] <witnit> you need more plugs like that tekni?
[15:01:53] <witnit> I think i have about 30 or so
[15:01:59] <TekniQue> I think I have plenty
[15:02:21] <witnit> jymm look up the printer cost and the network cards that go into those printers on ebay
[15:02:24] <TekniQue> this box has 8 3 pin connectors for frequency inputs
[15:02:29] <TekniQue> and 16 4 pin for analog inputs
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[15:03:12] <TekniQue> all of the connectors have 12V supply for sensor power and the analog ones have additional 5V reference
[15:03:23] <witnit> add both items together divide the cost in half and cover shipping thats about what I will charge
[15:03:37] <Connor> TekniQue: What was that for ?
[15:04:20] <Jymmm> witnit: Model number?
[15:04:42] <TekniQue> Connor: my dynamometer
[15:04:46] <TekniQue> engine dyno
[15:04:47] <witnit> intermec 3400E
[15:04:59] <witnit> low resolution version 203dip I think
[15:05:00] <TekniQue> that's the sensor interface and controller
[15:05:13] <Jymmm> TekniQue: Yeow, I think I'd use a different connector instead of two of them
[15:05:13] <TekniQue> ARM microcontroller and FPGA
[15:05:28] <TekniQue> speaks ethernet to a control PC
[15:05:52] <Connor> TekniQue: Cool.. Way too many connectors.. :)
[15:06:03] <TekniQue> the connectors are for sensors
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[15:06:23] <TekniQue> I don't always use the same set of sensors
[15:06:33] <witnit> but when you do....
[15:06:57] <TekniQue> when I do I can reuse a project configuration file :)
[15:07:02] <witnit> yes!
[15:07:24] <TekniQue> in the PC software, I load a config file that defines all the inputs
[15:07:29] <TekniQue> and scales them to real units
[15:07:51] <TekniQue> from frequency/duty cycle for the digital inputs or voltage for the analog inputs
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[15:09:46] <witnit> jymmm: I sell alot of oddball shop things on ebay, anyone from the linuxcnc community can half anything half off, if you see anything else you want we will figure it up and Ill ship all at once http://ebay.com/usr/brassmonkey750
[15:09:57] <witnit> have half off*
[15:11:35] <witnit> the arbor press is probably reserved for zeeshan though :P
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[15:17:27] <GuShH_> too bad I live in the wrong country
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[15:18:13] <humble_sea_bass> any of you with with Swiss lathes?
[15:18:46] <witnit> nah, which one you inquiring though?
[15:20:29] <humble_sea_bass> none in particular, I was looking at this listing for a medical device manufacturer thing
[15:21:27] <witnit> I do all automatic barloader machines, but no swiss work
[15:21:37] <witnit> those things make a nice part
[15:22:31] <humble_sea_bass> these guys make artificial hearts and they have a new citizen and a hass 5 axis center,
[15:23:14] <Jymmm> witnit: I was thinking more alng the lines of cheap bastard pricing, but thanks anyway =)
[15:24:14] <humble_sea_bass> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a6fZjUy0_U0
[15:24:41] <witnit> ok well if you get one and just need to lan card hit me up
[15:24:56] <witnit> I can ship that cheap for sure
[15:25:11] <witnit> these things are seriously heavier than they look
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[15:25:20] <humble_sea_bass> wowzers, i'd like to get to know this machine
[15:25:29] <Jymmm> witnit: Well, give me a number foe a networked printer shipped =)
[15:26:46] <Jymmm> witnit: I'm guessing $20 for shipping, not no idea on the weight
[15:27:01] <Jymmm> s/not/but/
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[15:28:54] <witnit> lets do $80, wifi card, printer Ill cover shipping. sound okay?
[15:29:08] <Jymmm> witnit: And you are getting 5000 of these labels for $35 ??? http://oi61.tinypic.com/21kb881.jpg
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[15:29:39] <witnit> no
[15:29:47] <Jymmm> oh =(
[15:29:52] <witnit> those were in one of the printers when I got it
[15:29:57] <Jymmm> ah
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[15:30:48] <Jymmm> witnit: Let me look at what those labels go for =)
[15:31:09] <witnit> http://www.ebay.com/itm/271085003159?_trksid=p2055120.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT
[15:31:14] <witnit> I was looking at those
[15:31:39] <Jymmm> witnit: 4x4? I thought they were like 4x6?
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[15:31:53] <witnit> thats what I currently have is 4x6
[15:32:11] <witnit> Im thinking about the 4x4 though since I use them on my boxes I ship at work
[15:32:17] <witnit> but they do not need to be so big
[15:32:52] <Jymmm> Ah 1000 for $22 shipped
[15:33:04] <Jymmm> http://www.ebay.com/itm/4-Rolls-250-4x6-Direct-Thermal-Labels-Zebra-2844-Eltron/380344275889?_trksid=p2047675.c100005.m1851&_trkparms=aid%3D222003%26algo%3DSIC.FIT%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20643%26meid%3D6200842380878840217%26pid%3D100005%26prg%3D9209%26rk%3D4%26rkt%3D6%26sd%3D271085003159&rt=nc
[15:33:07] <witnit> ooooh
[15:34:06] <witnit> those rolls dont look right
[15:34:14] <witnit> they look like the spindle is too small maybe
[15:34:37] <witnit> they may be all the same I dunno those just look small
[15:34:44] <Jymmm> Says 1" core
[15:35:17] <Jymmm> They have an 800 #
[15:35:59] <Jymmm> witnit: The wifi network, does it also have an ethernet port too?
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[15:36:11] <Jymmm> and is this an internal card?
[15:37:09] <witnit> ohhh sorry not wifi
[15:37:12] <witnit> just ethernet
[15:37:24] <Jymmm> internal?
[15:37:27] <witnit> yeah
[15:37:34] <witnit> I just took some pics
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[15:40:29] <_methods> witnit: do you make any money off the ebay stuff?
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[15:40:43] <witnit> yeah
[15:40:54] <_methods> you hit auctions and just dump it on ebay?
[15:40:57] <witnit> I spend about 600-800 at a time
[15:41:13] <witnit> not auction, I have a guy that does the auctions and I buy from his warehouse
[15:41:20] <_methods> interesting
[15:41:48] <_methods> the prices i see stuff go for at auctions i've been thinking about just buying stuff and selling on ebay
[15:41:48] <witnit> then deliver to my buddy, and he posts and researches, then drops them off with my other buddy who does all the shipping when something sells
[15:41:58] <witnit> and we split the income even
[15:42:06] <_methods> sounds like a nice arrangement
[15:42:12] <witnit> yeah we keep eachother in check
[15:43:01] <Jymmm> Ram usage:FF running 79%, Stopped: 27% DOH
[15:43:11] <_methods> http://www.sadanduseless.com/2014/03/metal-albums-with-googly-eyes/
[15:44:47] <Jymmm> witnit: I'm RTFM now =)
[15:45:01] <witnit> its a bitch to get it working with linux imo
[15:45:32] <witnit> I use a windows so I dont have to try so hard hahaha
[15:46:13] <witnit> It did work with virtualbox too
[15:46:14] <Jymmm> witnit: HEy,um, the revision page of the manual says "roubleshooting tip on uneven print quality and ***ribbon wrinkling***." Are you SURE it doesn't use a ribbon???
[15:46:31] <witnit> Ill send you pics
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[15:47:52] <Jymmm> witnit: Pge 22 of the manual "If you plan to use thermal transfer mode, you must install a thermal transfer ribbon (TTR) to print in thermal transfer mode."
[15:47:55] <archivist> some thermals use ribbon or thermal paper/label
[15:48:37] <Jymmm> archivist: ah. (still reading)
[15:50:01] <_methods> any of you done a sieg x2 conversion?
[15:50:22] <_methods> trying to decide on conversion kit/style to use
[15:51:46] <Jymmm> witnit: Ah, I guess you need that "ribbon" when NOT using thermal labels.
[15:51:59] <witnit> yeah
[15:52:04] <witnit> these printers do everything
[15:52:09] <witnit> they even peel labels I guess
[15:52:15] <witnit> I dunno how though
[15:52:35] <witnit> some way of rerouting the paper
[15:52:38] <Jymmm> witnit: Black magic with a touch of poblano for flavor!
[15:52:59] <witnit> you can feed from a stack in a box like the old dot matrix
[15:53:29] <Jymmm> cool, I still want to see the wire labeling options
[15:53:43] <_methods> damn what printer is this
[15:53:51] <MrHindsight> what are thermal transfer labels used for?
[15:53:54] <_methods> it does wire labeling too?
[15:54:09] <Jymmm> MrHindsight: shipping labels
[15:54:40] <MrHindsight> Jymmm: why not use inkjet?
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[15:54:49] <Jymmm> MrHindsight: too slow?
[15:54:55] <witnit> ink cost?
[15:55:13] <Jymmm> obnoxious ink cost
[15:56:22] <MrHindsight> $100/gallon
[15:56:35] <witnit>
[15:56:51] <witnit> there is a photo at 2,3,4.jpg
[15:57:16] <MrHindsight> the wax ribbons are overpriced just like most inks
[15:57:29] <witnit> I bought a brother laser printer...
[15:57:32] <witnit> best choice ever
[15:57:40] <Jymmm> witnit: is that a 2" core plus the green spacers?
[15:57:58] <witnit> cheap works everytime, VERY low cost
[15:58:10] <witnit> uhhh, CD for scale in one pic
[15:58:27] <cradek> old b&w office laser printer + walgreens for the rare time I want to print a photo = the winning combination
[15:58:31] <Jymmm> witnit: but the roll of labels in that pic cover the spindle =)
[15:58:43] <witnit> 3"
[15:58:47] <Jymmm> k
[16:02:38] <Jymmm> witnit: Oh NOW they spell it out near the very end of the manual... "The 3400e printer is capable of direct thermal (DT) printing or thermal transfer (TTR) printing using thermal transfer ribbon."
[16:02:48] <Jymmm> lol
[16:02:49] <witnit> :)
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[16:03:05] <witnit> good manual easy to do the windows install too
[16:03:19] <witnit> I install two of the three and printed test pages from all three
[16:03:22] <Jymmm> But they also say it comes in both 200 and 400 DPI print heads, but don't say how to tell the difference
[16:03:37] <witnit> yeah I will send you a 200
[16:03:45] <witnit> I have 1 400 and two 200dpi
[16:03:52] <Jymmm> ah
[16:03:52] <witnit> Im keeping the 400 :)
[16:04:09] <witnit> I put little pictures of my parts on the labels
[16:04:22] <witnit> so the guys dont get the boxxes mixxed at work
[16:04:45] <Jymmm> witnit: Do you know how bad it is between the two? I want to print QR codes and other fine details
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[16:05:04] <witnit> I only could tell when doing the pictures
[16:05:15] <witnit> it seems fine with solid lines and blocks
[16:05:26] <Jymmm> barcodes?
[16:05:27] <witnit> I have not tried a qr
[16:05:31] <Jymmm> k
[16:05:32] <witnit> yeah they are made for that
[16:05:44] <witnit> but I dont think it handles gradients very well
[16:05:52] <Jymmm> Yeah, but those are 1D, not the newer 2D ones
[16:05:59] <witnit> like looking at newpaper comics under a micrcope
[16:06:14] <Jymmm> ah
[16:06:38] <witnit> ehhhh this keyboard and my fingers do not meet well
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[16:09:19] <Jymmm> witnit: They say it DOES support QR, but don't make mention of 200/400 requirements if any.
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[16:10:07] <Deejay> re
[16:10:22] <witnit> I thought about trying it
[16:10:25] <witnit> too lazy
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[16:19:21] <IchGuckLive> hi all B)
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[16:27:40] <witnit> take care alll
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[16:52:03] <IchGuckLive> after a busy night in the usa ist quite now here
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[17:06:20] <XXCoder> funtimes
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[17:15:46] <Jymmm> heat shrink printer https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=piFAimwvFls
[17:16:36] <XXCoder> fancy. even captioned
[17:16:50] <XXCoder> for an ad video thats rare.
[17:17:27] <Jymmm> No idea, I never see ads/spam on YT
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[17:19:04] <Jymmm> A different thermal label printer (Zebra brand), but damn that's fast... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=znehNNtmjqA
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[17:20:36] <XXCoder> pretty fast allright
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[17:58:21] <MrHindsight> the price of Zebra and other thermal transfer rolls are why we developed solvent inks for TIJ, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YWrdXeDY_aQ up to 760ft/min
[17:59:26] <IchGuckLive> but the outcome is better quaity
[18:00:00] <Jymmm> 1000 4x6 labels for $22 shipped... I can live with that.
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[18:00:11] <Jymmm> thermal*
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[18:00:26] <Jymmm> no consumables
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[18:00:52] <MrHindsight> flexo and offset for high volume of the same
[18:01:22] <Jymmm> Yeah, screw ink technology imo
[18:01:24] <MrHindsight> thermal or thermal transfer, those are two different types
[18:02:09] <Jymmm> If I was doing archival stuff, mind consider alternatives (toner?)
[18:02:45] <Jymmm> Bt as shitty as the consumer inkjet have been, JUST SAY NO!
[18:02:50] <Jymmm> But*
[18:03:27] <MrHindsight> you just have to refill your ink
[18:03:35] <MrHindsight> yourself
[18:03:38] <Jymmm> Yeah, NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[18:03:43] <Jymmm> No ink
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[18:04:07] <MrHindsight> lowest cost way to go
[18:04:08] <Jymmm> I just gave away a nice AIW inkjet,
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[18:04:43] <Jymmm> ether wifi fax ADF scan to pdf, etc
[18:05:25] <Jymmm> it was given to me, low ink=no print, ordered ink, hated results.
[18:05:30] <Jymmm> gave away
[18:06:14] <Jymmm> toner, dye-sub, or thermal now.
[18:06:56] <MrHindsight> that's like throwing away cnc milling tech since you had bad results
[18:07:21] <Jymmm> No, it's like tosing one of those Smith thingys
[18:07:31] <Jymmm> and rightly so!
[18:07:38] <MrHindsight> when it was just your settings or the end mills
[18:08:28] <Jymmm> inkjet is just crap, way too many headaches
[18:08:57] <Jymmm> Too much mfr bs too, locked cartridges, etc
[18:09:13] <Jymmm> puking ink out obscenly for "cleaning" purposes.
[18:09:37] <zeeshan> since you guys know a lot about printing
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[18:09:40] <MrHindsight> you just bought the wrong ones
[18:09:46] <Jymmm> and slower than hell during startup, or just opening/closing the cover.
[18:09:54] <zeeshan> is there an a4 sheet i can shove into my laser printer
[18:09:58] <zeeshan> and print out some stick on labels
[18:09:59] <Jymmm> ALL of them are like that, HP, Epson, etc
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[18:10:26] <Jymmm> zeeshan: A4? Not sure, could try Avery.com
[18:10:33] <zeeshan> or letter size
[18:10:41] <Jymmm> oh sure
[18:10:52] <Jymmm> any office supply will have a box of em
[18:10:52] <zeeshan> i just wanna print out labels for my tool boxes
[18:11:13] <Jymmm> zeeshan: google "avery laser labels"
[18:11:21] <Jymmm> t get an idea of whats out there
[18:11:24] <Jymmm> to*
[18:11:45] <MrHindsight> you can buy the generic for far less than Avery
[18:11:57] <zeeshan> http://www.staples.ca/en/Avery-5160-White-Laser-Address-Labels-with-Easy-Peel-2-5-8/product_12230_2-CA_1_20001
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[18:12:01] <zeeshan> like that?
[18:12:03] <Jymmm> They used to have mini labels too when you only needed a couple and not a full sheet
[18:12:21] <zeeshan> those are kind of huge
[18:12:21] <zeeshan> :P
[18:12:50] <Jymmm> http://www.avery.com/avery/en_us/Products/Labels
[18:13:06] <zeeshan> found some
[18:13:09] <zeeshan> 1-3/4 by .5"
[18:13:12] <Jymmm> zeeshan: they have shitloads of sizes/types
[18:13:34] <Jymmm> zeeshan: Have you thought about a lhand held label printer?
[18:13:41] <zeeshan> no
[18:13:43] <zeeshan> arent they expensive
[18:13:54] <zeeshan> i dont use it much
[18:14:03] <zeeshan> just mainly for tool box labeling or say wire labels
[18:14:09] <Jymmm> zeeshan: not really dtart at $25
[18:14:44] <Jymmm> http://www.walmart.com/ip/DYMO-LetraTag-Plus-Personal-Label-Maker-2-Lines/5733520?action=product_interest&action_type=title&placement_id=irs_top&strategy=PWVAV&visitor_id=73955360786&category=0%3A3944%3A546952%3A1046059%3A164221&client_guid=2137e39c-115b-421f-85cb-9cf0c6234017&config_id=2&parent_item_id=13969197&guid=73aa16d8-ded0-4a9d-9a19-806b5ef37fe1&bucket_id=irsbucketdefault&findingMethod=p13n
[18:15:20] <MrHindsight> zeeshan: you can probably get Jymms inkjets for nothing and I'll show you how to use them :)
[18:15:26] <zeeshan> haha
[18:15:43] <Jymmm> zeeshan: http://www.walmart.com/ip/Brother-P-Touch-PT-90-Simply-Stylish-Personal-Labeler/14916245
[18:16:01] <zeeshan> damn that brother one makes fancy labels
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[18:16:05] <Jymmm> MrHindsight: If I had any left, he could =)
[18:16:19] <MrHindsight> :)
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[18:16:32] <Jymmm> zeeshan: Since the labels are plastic, they're water resistant too
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[18:17:04] <Jymmm> zeeshan: 1/4 to 1" wide too
[18:17:12] <zeeshan> that would work great for wiring
[18:17:18] <zeeshan> the 1/4
[18:17:37] <Jymmm> zeeshan: There's a fancy one that you can use with or without a computer too
[18:17:50] <Jymmm> if you want to print graphcs, barcodes, etc
[18:18:01] <Jymmm> about $180 iirc USD
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[18:19:17] <ReadError> grab a USB one
[18:19:21] <ReadError> muuuuch easier
[18:19:38] <zeeshan> ReadError: link
[18:20:08] <ReadError> http://www.amazon.com/Brother-Connectable-Labeling-System-PT2730/dp/B0047T7JMW/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1397499597&sr=8-1&keywords=brother+pt+2730
[18:20:10] <ReadError> thats what I got
[18:20:42] <zeeshan> where do you buy the label stock for that
[18:20:49] <ReadError> amazon
[18:20:52] <ReadError> walmart
[18:20:55] <ReadError> anywhere really
[18:20:59] <zeeshan> okay cool
[18:21:02] <zeeshan> ive never played with these things
[18:21:02] <zeeshan> ;p
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[18:21:32] <Jymmm> zeeshan: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16828113202
[18:21:39] <zeeshan> http://www.walmart.ca/en/ip/Dymo-Letratag-Label-Printer-LT100T/6000016939487
[18:21:42] <zeeshan> thats what canada has
[18:21:55] <zeeshan> fak 100$ for a printer!
[18:22:37] <Jymmm> zeeshan: You can connect it to a PC and it's rechargable
[18:23:20] <archivist> I use a much older dymo, just works TM
[18:24:11] <archivist> uses the same cartridge as the current one I think
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[18:25:18] <archivist> for barcodes I cheated and got a roll of preprinted
[18:25:23] <Jymmm> zeeshan: whatever you get, just check the cost/availability of the label carteidges first.
[18:26:18] <zeeshan> yea that dymo one isnt the greatest
[18:26:23] <zeeshan> it only support .5" labels
[18:26:42] <archivist> all I need for shelf labels :)
[18:26:46] <Jymmm> Yeah, the Brother P-Touch stuff supports all kinds of sizes.
[18:27:03] <Jymmm> ...and colors.
[18:27:14] <zeeshan> http://www.canadacomputers.com/product_info.php?item_id=047943
[18:27:17] <zeeshan> here is the pt-90
[18:27:24] <zeeshan> one local
[18:27:40] <Jymmm> zeeshan: now check the cost of labels =)
[18:28:11] <Jymmm> 4x AAA ?! Ewwwwwwwwwwwwwww
[18:28:28] <Jymmm> AA maybe, but not AAA.
[18:29:03] <zeeshan> http://www.canadacomputers.com/product_info.php?cPath=34_1170_452&item_id=035929
[18:29:04] <zeeshan> nice
[18:29:10] <zeeshan> this guy can go down to 1/8" labels
[18:29:54] <zeeshan> can't go wrong for 15$
[18:30:14] <archivist> you can see label prices
[18:30:21] <Jymmm> Sorry, that whole AAA thing personally bugs me
[18:30:29] <zeeshan> well it says you can use an adapter too
[18:30:31] <zeeshan> but its optional
[18:30:58] <archivist> the dymo lasts for ages on 4 AA
[18:31:02] <Jymmm> and cost of labels?
[18:31:12] <Jymmm> archivist: yeah, exactly.
[18:31:12] <zeeshan> trying to find :P
[18:31:33] <Jymmm> oh at the bottom $14
[18:31:52] <zeeshan> http://www.amazon.com/TZe-3-5mm-P-touch-Tape/dp/B005JXYYHS
[18:32:15] <zeeshan> oh
[18:32:16] <zeeshan> i didnt see that
[18:32:17] <zeeshan> haha
[18:32:23] <Jymmm> zeeshan: oh, no keyboard of that for $15
[18:32:25] <zeeshan> thermal transfer means theres no toner right?
[18:32:33] <Jymmm> zeeshan: and no ink either
[18:32:37] <zeeshan> nice
[18:32:58] <Jymmm> zeeshan: it's nice being able to use the labeler without a computer btw
[18:33:04] <zeeshan> yes it is
[18:33:06] <zeeshan> when doing wiring!
[18:33:17] <Jymmm> zeeshan: just keep that in mind
[18:33:27] <zeeshan> http://www.canadacomputers.com/product_info.php?cPath=34_1170_452&item_id=057506
[18:33:29] <Jymmm> that one you linked to has no keyboard
[18:33:30] <zeeshan> here is another
[18:33:32] <zeeshan> has keyboard
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[18:33:37] <zeeshan> and supports down to 3.5mm tape
[18:33:54] <zeeshan> power adapter is 29$
[18:34:02] <archivist> I have a blue version of http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=351042805430
[18:34:06] <zeeshan> so bansically for 50-60$ i can be printing today
[18:34:39] <Jymmm> archivist: I have something like that too
[18:35:00] <Jymmm> archivist: paper tags ar ecrap though
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[18:35:27] <Jymmm> try to peel them off, and you are scraping for days
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[18:36:36] <archivist> I use the yellow plastic middle right shelf edge http://www.collection.archivist.info/archive/DJCPD/PD/2012/2012_04_23_barcodes/IMG_1231.JPG
[18:37:46] <humble_sea_bass> those are small
[18:38:03] <humble_sea_bass> oh i see Algorithms
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[18:46:10] <Jymmm> archivist: pre-rounded labels?
[18:46:25] <archivist> yes
[18:46:32] <Jymmm> cool, never saw those before
[18:46:50] <archivist> 20k on a reel iirc
[18:47:00] <Jymmm> eeeesh
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[18:47:47] <archivist> was a one off fleabay auction never seen elsewhere
[18:48:02] <Jymmm> Ah, nice find
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[18:49:21] <MrHindsight> archivist: you use the thermal transfer type vs thermal?
[18:49:23] <archivist> but some barcode readers struggle, has to be a quality reader
[18:49:46] <Jymmm> archivist: heh, try reaidn apple barcodes, ouch
[18:50:12] <archivist> the reel has Zebra internally
[18:50:22] <Jymmm> archivist: even their own barcode readers used the the Apple Stores can't read them )
[18:50:37] <archivist> hehe
[18:51:08] <MrHindsight> thermal transfer uses a wax+polymer that gets transferred onto the label using heat, thermal printers just heat the paper/polymer to make dark spots
[18:51:18] <archivist> the Symbol and Wasp readers handle them ok
[18:51:48] <XXCoder> heh I just use declawed cuecat
[18:52:01] <XXCoder> itprobably wouldnt rrad that tiny barcode though
[18:52:14] <Connor> Why we talking bar codes and labels for ?
[18:52:27] <archivist> tools etc
[18:52:47] <Connor> barcode on a tool? for what? ATC ?
[18:53:01] <MrHindsight> Connor: comparing experiences on just making labels for whatever
[18:53:11] <Connor> Oh.
[18:53:17] <MrHindsight> mailing, tool boxes, wiring etc etc
[18:53:22] <archivist> my calipers have a label added
[18:54:14] <Connor> I got my PC mounted under my chip tray this weekend.. On rails.. makes things nice..
[18:54:51] <Loetmichel> Connor: mine is below the machine
[18:54:53] <Connor> I need to make some sort of electrical box that has 3 or 4 plugs in it with a disconnect.. and goes back to the main power plug..
[18:55:53] <Connor> http://www.ivdc.com/cnc/mill_04_09_14_05.jpg Were it was..
[18:56:22] <Connor> Now, it's on rails below the chip tray, mounted like a normal 4U Server..
[18:57:07] <Connor> You can see my power plug to the right of it.. 1 for the PC, 1 for the steppers, 1 for the spindle and 1 aux.. for coolant or light or whatever...
[18:57:33] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=12569 <- mine
[18:58:05] <Loetmichel> (the dark pizzabox below the machine)
[18:58:14] <_methods> Connor: is that yoru spindle water pump containers?
[18:58:15] <Connor> I think I'll replace with a twist lock plug, and run it into a box with a disconnect to the left of the PC.. If it doesn't interfere with the coolant shutoff valve.
[18:58:39] <_methods> nice chip tray did you make it?
[18:58:42] <Connor> _methods: No, that's my flood coolant
[18:58:46] <_methods> ah nice
[18:58:47] <Connor> Yea.
[18:59:00] <XXCoder> conn I see you modified piping a bit
[18:59:04] <XXCoder> I think
[19:00:03] <Connor> Not from the other day. That's the finial version. Only diff now is clear vinyl hose going into the cat littler bucket for the pump.
[19:01:10] <Connor> I REALLY wish I could run the spindle on separate line from the PC and steppers.
[19:01:20] <Connor> I can pull allot of amps..
[19:01:48] <Connor> wouldn't mind trying to figure out how to add a UPS into the PC..
[19:02:06] <Connor> but, I don't see how I can do that and get it all tied into one disconnect switch easily.
[19:06:43] <Connor> http://www.homedepot.com/p/Hubbell-TayMac-2-Gang-Weatherproof-Pole-Switch-Toggle-Cover-Wall-Plate-Gray-TC221S/202284519?N=5yc1vZbohm
[19:06:49] <Connor> Hmm.. How about that..
[19:07:33] <Connor> 1 side for Aux and PC, other side for Spindle and Steppers...
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[19:08:51] <Connor> anyone know how easy/hard those are to switch on/off ? I don't want it to vibrate off...
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[19:24:08] <Einar> Loetmichel: Are those spindles asynchronous or PM motors?
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[19:43:37] <Loetmichel> Einar: which splundles?
[19:43:51] <Loetmichel> on my cnc?
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[19:44:04] <Loetmichel> async as far as i know
[19:44:28] <Einar> Yes, this one: http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=12569
[19:44:50] <Loetmichel> you can feel no cogging torque
[19:45:03] <Einar> OK. Asynch then.
[19:45:34] <Einar> Is it OK for aluminum work?
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[19:46:00] <Loetmichel> but cheap as fu** (less than 300 eur with VFD) and enough toque for small work
[19:46:16] <Loetmichel> and the runout is MUCH better than on a Kress or other router motor
[19:46:23] <Einar> Ebay?
[19:47:41] <Loetmichel> einar: would say that, yes: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hnjHd69saXs
[19:48:24] <Loetmichel> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o53RsosYwGg
[19:48:26] <Loetmichel> ebay
[19:48:38] <Loetmichel> look for CNC spindle motor watercooled
[19:48:57] <Loetmichel> i have the 800W version
[19:49:56] <XXCoder> lots holes there loetm, whats it makin
[19:49:56] <Einar> It sounds like it works fine in alu. No strange sounds.
[19:51:28] <Loetmichel> XXCoder: the holes are in the sacrificial plate beneath the 3mm aluminium sheet
[19:51:35] <Loetmichel> ... from the last job...
[19:51:36] <XXCoder> oh
[19:51:54] <Loetmichel> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NxxhvO6wP08
[19:52:11] <Loetmichel> ... some cooling holes in a NAS case
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[19:52:58] <XXCoder> curious if you recycle your swarf into more material or just sell metal?
[19:53:00] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=14184 <- full case
[19:53:01] <Loetmichel> ;-)
[19:53:07] <Loetmichel> nothing
[19:53:13] <Loetmichel> just give it the scrap man
[19:53:17] <XXCoder> looks nice
[19:53:19] <XXCoder> oh cool
[19:53:28] <XXCoder> as long as not trash
[19:55:00] <Einar> 10XX aluminum is no good for castings. And swarf only ends up as oxides anyway. So not good for (home) remelting.
[19:55:32] <Loetmichel> especially when the mill makes more "aluminium Dust" than swarf ;-)
[19:55:55] <Loetmichel> you can see it here as i milled a thread with a engraving bit:
[19:56:01] <XXCoder> makes sense. I recall white strips on alum swarf when I was watching friend work lathe
[19:56:02] <Einar> Mix with clear laquer to make metallic?
[19:56:06] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=14820&g2_imageViewsIndex=1
[19:56:48] <Einar> Are you making threads on the bolt head too? ;-)
[19:57:09] <Loetmichel> no, thats just from a small milling bit
[19:57:13] <XXCoder> I guess it was completing rough run and have yet to smooth
[19:57:15] <Loetmichel> thr traces
[19:57:43] <Loetmichel> they disappear after sanding with a 600 frit paper
[19:57:47] <Loetmichel> grit
[19:57:52] <Loetmichel> ists just optics
[19:58:26] <Loetmichel> the octagon(!) head faces are flat
[19:58:40] <Loetmichel> no, i made the BOLT with the mill
[19:58:46] <Loetmichel> including the thread
[19:58:49] <XXCoder> nice
[19:58:57] <Loetmichel> and that is 7075
[19:58:58] <XXCoder> it sure looked rough. fun illusion
[20:00:33] <Loetmichel> i was surely surprised how easy it is to make a perfect fit thread with a 30° engraving bit ;-)
[20:01:09] <XXCoder> how tight was threads? I recalls grades.. 1 to 5, 5 being REALLY tight
[20:01:20] <Loetmichel> tight?
[20:01:23] <Loetmichel> as in fit?
[20:01:32] <XXCoder> how tight screw fits
[20:02:09] <Loetmichel> it fits snugly into a inside thread cutted with a std M16*2mm 3 flute cutter
[20:02:22] <Loetmichel> and rotated like dampened with oil
[20:02:22] <XXCoder> nice
[20:02:44] <Loetmichel> no clunking around, no rough run, like a charm
[20:02:53] <XXCoder> if I recall, cheap bolts tend to be 1, bit loose but good enough, average qual;ity is 3, 5 tend to be made for airplanes
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[20:03:29] <Loetmichel> the bolt was drilled through an put a power key in.
[20:03:46] <Loetmichel> one of these: http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=11570
[20:03:59] <Loetmichel> ... and a long aluminium bar on the inside
[20:04:11] <XXCoder> so its bolt with power button on it?
[20:04:18] <Loetmichel> and then it fits in the back of there, to press the internal Power switch
[20:04:38] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=14769
[20:05:50] <Loetmichel> because the case will be sealed with tamper labels
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[20:06:01] <Loetmichel> so you can statt the crypto box without openiung the casing
[20:06:18] <XXCoder> start?
[20:06:24] <XXCoder> cool
[20:06:35] <Loetmichel> thats kind of an 1He server
[20:06:48] <Loetmichel> the black 19" box
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[20:07:30] <Loetmichel> and when the aluminium enclosure is sealed (for EMI reasons) there is no other way to start the "server"
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[20:08:02] <Jymmm> XXCoder: http://i39.tinypic.com/1zo9uon.jpg
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[20:08:45] <XXCoder> I dont get ut
[20:09:07] <Jymmm> lol, nm
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[20:38:40] <Connor> So, thoughts on using this http://www.homedepot.com/p/Hubbell-TayMac-2-Gang-Weatherproof-Pole-Switch-Toggle-Cover-Wall-Plate-Gray-TC221S/202284519?N=5yc1vZbohm with 2 two amp switches for my disconnect ?
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[20:39:20] <Jymmm> disconnect what?
[20:40:41] <Connor> Well.. to Going to make a power strip so to speak.. change out my 2 duplex plugs on wall for a twist lock.. and run power into a pvc box, with that on the front.. and have 2 x duplex outlets on the back that the PC, the spindle, and stepper PSU plug into.
[20:41:36] <Connor> Other option would be to mount switches IN the PC case since it's rack mount now.. and I can open the front up, and flip the switches on it..
[20:41:44] <Jymmm> Oh, so you are using an old PC case for an enclosure?
[20:41:55] <Connor> Rack mount 4U
[20:41:59] <Connor> 24" Deep.
[20:42:07] <Jymmm> one thing to consider...
[20:42:53] <Connor> has 3 Plugs.. 1 for the PC PSU, and the other two are wired up to the stepper PSU and spindle speed controller.
[20:43:04] <Jymmm> IF the outlets are going to be computer controlled, are those 2x switches master shutoff?
[20:43:56] <Jymmm> If they are, do you ever want to MANUALLY turn on whatever is plugged into the utlets with out computer control?
[20:43:57] <Connor> No, the outlets aren't.. Just trying to give myself a master switch so I don't have to unplug them all the time.
[20:44:27] <Jymmm> So you dont want to automatically trun/on/off coolant when a job is compelted?
[20:44:55] <Connor> That's a separate issue. :) Yes. the coolant will be both computer and manual.
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[20:45:09] <Connor> I found a 12v 5amp power brick I can use.
[20:45:11] <Jymmm> Then those onw-way switches alone won't do it.
[20:45:42] <Jymmm> you would need OFF/AUTO/ON or soemthign liek that.
[20:45:58] <Jymmm> Unless you do some creative wiring =)
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[20:46:42] <Jymmm> You *could* get away using two/three-way switches potentially
[20:46:57] <Connor> I'll be using a SSR to provide 120v to the power brick, which will be connected to the pump.
[20:47:22] <Jymmm> how many watts is the pump?
[20:47:53] <Connor> Not sure.. really didn't say.. it's 800GPH 12v bilge pump.
[20:48:05] <Jymmm> no idea
[20:48:14] <Jymmm> Just SSR need heatsinks
[20:48:32] <Connor> Looks like 2amps continues 5amps surge..
[20:48:41] <Connor> the SSR are good ones..
[20:48:47] <Jymmm> doens't matter
[20:48:55] <Jymmm> Check their thermal ratings =)
[20:49:08] <Jymmm> At 2A that's 250 Watts
[20:49:23] <Connor> let me see if I can find them...
[20:49:30] <Jymmm> At 5A tha'ts about 600 Watts
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[20:50:30] <Connor> They're rated for 25Amps.
[20:50:44] <Jymmm> I said THERMAL ratings =)
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[20:53:23] <Connor> FOTEK SSR-25
[20:53:27] <Connor> looking for spec sheet.
[20:53:42] <Connor> http://www.fotek.com.hk/solid/SSR-1.htm
[20:55:04] <Connor> All I can find is Operating temperature
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[20:57:37] <Jymmm> how many SSR do you have? 2?
[20:57:54] <Connor> 1 for spindle. 1 for coolant pump
[20:58:45] <Connor> and looks like I can wire a switch up in parallel on the contacts of the SSR
[20:58:46] <Deejay> gn8
[20:58:51] <Jymmm> youll need two of these, one each http://www.amazon.com/Amico-Aluminum-Solid-State-Dissipation/dp/B005D6145G/ref=pd_sim_misc_2?ie=UTF8&refRID=0ZDJ7TFFHY6PHJHXMF8K
[20:58:57] <Jymmm> cya Deejay
[20:59:09] <Deejay> bye jymmm
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[21:00:04] <Connor> Umm.. okay. I've been using the spindle one for a while now without any issues.. also have one of these in my vacuum cleaner control box that's been running for a while..
[21:00:25] <Jymmm> at 5A ?
[21:00:53] <Connor> I have NO idea what the vacuum cleaner is.. is't a large 16 gallon shop vac.
[21:00:55] <Jymmm> As long as you are under that MAX operating temp, you're good.
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[21:01:29] <Connor> the one in the PC case is mounted against the case itself.. so that would act as a heat sink too.
[21:01:32] <Jymmm> If you get near/over, then you'll need a heatsink
[21:01:34] <Connor> I'll probe it.
[21:01:46] <Jymmm> Just FYI
[21:01:55] <Connor> with my IR thermometer..
[21:02:13] <Jymmm> Sure, that works but measure the metal back plate, not the plastic =)
[21:02:32] <Connor> I will. :)
[21:03:42] <Connor> so, I'll wire a 120v switch in parallel with the SSR for the coolant pump.
[21:04:24] <Jymmm> If you do that, you can't bypass computer control.
[21:04:38] <Jymmm> BAD IDEA IMO
[21:05:19] <Jymmm> If you are changing tooling, and the computer wacks out, there goes a hand/finger.
[21:05:22] <Connor> I might be able to with a 3 way.. let me draw it out..
[21:05:31] <Connor> for coolant ?
[21:05:44] <Jymmm> If you want to rely upon a 50¢ switch =)
[21:06:15] <Jymmm> coolant lines can come out of tank and squirt in face, sure.
[21:06:29] <Jymmm> Just sayin'
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[21:07:14] <Connor> OKay.. easy.. center off switch, provides power to SSR or to pump.
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[21:08:07] <Jymmm> Eh, ok. *MY* prefernce is OFF/AUTO/ON, then I dont have to guess where theposition is.
[21:08:26] <Jymmm> and I cna use toggle switch covers to just smack and turn off
[21:09:00] <Jymmm> http://www.wiringproducts.com/images/stories/virtuemart/product/l_2652f-outlined.jpg
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[21:09:21] <Jymmm> but whatever =)
[21:09:36] <Connor> I'll be covered up with door on PC case.
[21:09:55] <Connor> I'll have to check and see if I have clearance..
[21:10:09] <Connor> May have to use a rocker switch instead of a toggle switch.
[21:10:26] <tjb1|2> Any of you know of IRC client that displays name mentions in a separate window?
[21:10:36] <Jymmm> Whatever works for you, just giving you extra options to consider is all
[21:11:03] <zeeshan> label maker works great
[21:11:07] <zeeshan> 30bux total spent
[21:11:07] <Connor> tjb1|2: Mine just highlights the line and beeps.
[21:11:25] <Connor> Jymmm: Yea.. I'm a little OCD, I need LESS options. :)
[21:11:39] <Jymmm> NEVER
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[21:13:43] <JesusAlos> hi
[21:14:15] <JesusAlos> long time not see you
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[21:15:46] <JesusAlos> looking for reference about the structure directory and files from linuxcnc
[21:16:11] <JesusAlos> what is the use of each file etc
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[21:21:04] <JesusAlos> any help please?
[21:22:28] <MrHindsight> http://linuxcnc.org/docs/html/code/Code_Notes.html
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[21:35:47] <JesusAlos> Thank MrHindsight, but I refer a directory structure from linuxcnc in Ubuntu and the use of each file
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[21:37:39] <MrHindsight> nope, that would be too much work and if you need that you probably just need to learn more about Ubuntu
[21:39:15] <MrHindsight> heh, BeagleBone Black "We are planning a price increase for the Rev C somewhere between $5 and $15."
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[21:39:51] <MrHindsight> so a weak GPU and now the price is going to go up
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[21:41:10] <shaun413_> hi all
[21:41:51] <JesusAlos> hi
[21:43:13] <JesusAlos> what hardware combination can use BeagleBone Black to run with linuxcnc
[21:43:25] <JesusAlos> I interest it
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[21:45:02] <MrHindsight> http://blog.machinekit.io/p/machinekit_16.html just FYI is has a underpowered GPU
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[21:48:26] <Connor> MrHindsight: the BBB ?
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[21:51:27] <MrHindsight> Connor: yeah
[21:51:46] <andypugh> Someone on the forum was asking about Linux CAM. I just realosed that CamBam, SheetCAM and HeeksCNC have something in common, country of origin.
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[21:52:16] <Connor> The UK? :)
[21:52:18] <MrHindsight> CAMy Brits? :)
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[21:52:32] <andypugh> Yes. I wonder if this is more than coincidence?
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[21:52:46] <MrHindsight> check their bios
[21:52:56] <MrHindsight> maybe they all used to work fr the same co
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[21:53:20] <andypugh> Possible.
[21:55:32] <MrHindsight> http://www.cnn.com/2014/04/14/tech/innovation/carpenter-fingers-robohand-3-d/ crude but they work, they need to discover better printers
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[21:57:56] <andypugh> Good use of the tech though.
[21:58:21] <MrHindsight> free Yoda head with every arm :)
[21:58:21] <JesusAlos> MrHindsight: are you developer of BBB?
[21:58:31] <shaun413_> Hello all
[21:58:41] <shaun413_> so
[21:58:51] <MrHindsight> JesusAlos: no, I looked into them and decided to pas on them due to the poor GPU and high cost
[21:58:52] <shaun413_> anyone use a hf lathe?
[21:58:55] <shaun413_> are they crap?
[21:59:08] <Tom_itx> what from hf isn't?
[21:59:16] <shaun413_> hmm
[21:59:22] <shaun413_> good point
[21:59:45] <shaun413_> well, what would you recommend lathe wise for that price or maybe a few 100 more?
[21:59:56] <andypugh> I use a similar lathe. It’s junk compared to a real lathe, though I do manage to make good parts.
[22:00:03] <shaun413_> Yeah
[22:00:10] <shaun413_> I have no room for a "real" lathe
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[22:00:30] <MrHindsight> used deals are the best
[22:00:34] <shaun413_> true
[22:00:43] <MrHindsight> most for the money, but it's like fishing
[22:00:49] <shaun413_> dont have a way to transport a half ton lathe though...
[22:00:56] <andypugh> I am especially unimpressed by the saddle keepers (I re-engineered them) and the spindle design (it chatters unless tightened up so far that the bearings overheat)
[22:00:59] <shaun413_> nor a place to put it...
[22:01:03] <shaun413_> I need a benchtop
[22:01:05] <JesusAlos> MrHindsight: so don't recommend for indusrtial use for example?
[22:01:25] <andypugh> shaun413: That South Bend was a benchtop.
[22:01:35] <shaun413_> Yes but no way to transport it
[22:02:00] <MrHindsight> JesusAlos: maybe for headless but I use AMD x86 and also developing with the Allwinner ARM soc's
[22:02:48] <NickParker|2> What CAM programs do all of you use for milling? Ideally on windows because that's my where all my CAD packages live, but I can dual boot if I need.
[22:02:48] <MrHindsight> http://www.asrock.com/mb/amd/e350m1/ been using these lately
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[22:03:16] <JesusAlos> headless=crazy??
[22:03:26] <MrHindsight> http://www.asrock.com/mb/AMD/E350M1USB3/ or these
[22:04:00] <MrHindsight> JesusAlos: those devs seem to like them for repraps and similar
[22:04:54] <MrHindsight> JesusAlos: I have no interest in having to support two different boards for headless and with a HD display
[22:05:11] <NickParker> switch do you use/do you recommend
[22:05:11] <_methods> NickParker: heekscam
[22:05:15] <_methods> mastercam
[22:06:42] <MrHindsight> JesusAlos: http://cubieboard.org/2013/06/19/cubieboard2-is-here/ can support a HD display, even play an HD game while running Linuxcnc, but support is still underway
[22:07:52] <MrHindsight> 8 core version will be about the same price
[22:08:42] <NickParker> _methods: mastercam looks nice and polished, but find a reseller usually falls under the whole "If you have to ask" thing. How much is it really?
[22:12:16] <shaun413_> https://littlemachineshop.com/4100
[22:12:20] <shaun413_> anyone use this?
[22:13:12] <_methods> NickParker: depends on the packages you get
[22:13:21] <_methods> i think basic milling package is around $5k
[22:13:43] <NickParker> _methods: Lol yeah that's an order of magnitude past the max I could pay
[22:13:53] <JesusAlos> E350M1 don't have paralel port
[22:13:56] <_methods> how much would you pay?
[22:14:37] <Jymmm> 50¢
[22:14:37] <shaun413_> http://southjersey.craigslist.org/tls/4401558098.html
[22:14:39] <shaun413_> thoughts?
[22:15:07] <NickParker> I mean in an ideal world 0, but if there's really no usable FOSS, $400 or so
[22:15:20] * NickParker should mention he's 18, and got the mill for free
[22:15:27] <_methods> bobcad/cam is the only thing in that range i think
[22:15:32] <MrHindsight> JesusAlos: yeah, we use them mostly with FPGA
[22:15:35] <_methods> that's why i threw out 2 options
[22:15:44] <_methods> heekscam is free and makes perfectly fine gcode
[22:16:23] <NickParker> Can you link heekscam? I found a bunch of talk about it, but the only download link I found was an empty sourceforge.
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[22:17:08] <_methods> oh wow he's charging now
[22:17:19] <_methods> 10 of those english money things
[22:17:38] <JesusAlos> FPGA like 5i25 mesanet?
[22:17:43] <_methods> http://www.mediafire.com/download/l236g6lht72eo55/HeeksCNC+1.0+Trial+Version.exe
[22:17:45] <MrHindsight> sheckles, dinari??
[22:17:49] <JesusAlos> but neither have PCI port
[22:17:53] <_methods> pounds man
[22:17:57] <_methods> the queens pounds
[22:18:05] <_methods> or is it pounds the queen
[22:18:20] <MrHindsight> JesusAlos: PCIe so 6i25 or other PCIe cards
[22:18:51] <_methods> oh wow heeks looks much prettier than the last time i used it
[22:18:53] <MrHindsight> http://www.mesanet.com/fpgacardinfo.html
[22:19:55] <MrHindsight> JesusAlos: also ethernet based FPGA like the 7i90
[22:20:15] <MrHindsight> trying to get away from LPT anyway
[22:22:22] <MrHindsight> 6i68 for lots of IO
[22:23:32] <humble_sea_bass> the queen's onions
[22:25:43] <_methods> hehe
[22:25:55] <_methods> squiggly ls
[22:25:59] <_methods> L's
[22:26:12] <shaun413_> anyone?
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[22:31:07] <JesusAlos> MrHindsight: so have mesanet drivers to communicate linuxcnc altrought ethernet port, right?
[22:33:57] <shaun413_> so, im looking for southbend?
[22:35:26] <MrHindsight> JesusAlos: yes
[22:38:00] <MrHindsight> what's "God Shave the Queen" supposed to really mean?
[22:40:19] <MrHindsight> http://www.thecarconnection.com/news/1091447_investment-opportunity-help-crowdfund-the-skylys-flying-car
[22:40:26] <MrHindsight> humble_sea_bass: ^^^
[22:41:07] <MrHindsight> https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/skylys-the-flying-car
[22:41:52] <humble_sea_bass> what i'm a watching
[22:41:56] <MrHindsight> €140EUR Raised of €2,250,000 Goal :)
[22:42:41] <MrHindsight> they have an actual logo on a wall
[22:42:47] <humble_sea_bass> lets make a video and say words
[22:42:48] <JesusAlos> MrHindsight: thank for share your knowledge with me
[22:42:59] <humble_sea_bass> watch the money roll in
[22:43:47] <humble_sea_bass> that guy has no idea what he is reading
[22:43:53] <MrHindsight> spray on cheese that's also sunscreen?
[22:44:47] <humble_sea_bass> cheez wiz on everything
[22:45:56] <shaun413_> hmm
[22:46:02] <shaun413_> no help?
[22:46:05] <shaun413_> :(
[22:46:10] <humble_sea_bass> put cheez wiz on it
[22:46:17] <humble_sea_bass> *helped*
[22:46:31] <MrHindsight> the power of cheese
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[22:47:29] <MrHindsight> http://www.amazon.com/80-20-20-2020-T-SLOTTED-EXTRUSION/dp/B001F0K4NW embedding these every 3-4 inches in resin should work well
[22:48:00] <MrHindsight> nice t-slot for clamps and also lots of area for the resin to grip
[22:48:06] <humble_sea_bass> after you hit the sack, we were talking about hussling up a recipe from some academic papers.
[22:48:19] <MrHindsight> for resin?
[22:48:35] <humble_sea_bass> for the granite itself.
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[22:49:02] <MrHindsight> synthetic granite?
[22:49:13] <humble_sea_bass> because it seemed everyone was doing it "to taste" more or less
[22:49:29] <humble_sea_bass> yes, the synthetic granite
[22:50:14] <MrHindsight> why?
[22:50:44] <humble_sea_bass> I said trial and error it
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[22:51:17] <humble_sea_bass> depending on what's easily available, but you said 10% resin is more or less where it is at
[22:51:19] <andypugh> NickParker: Have a look at CamBam. http://www.cambam.info/ref/ref.linux
[22:51:20] <humble_sea_bass> right?
[22:51:40] <MrHindsight> reading the backlog now
[22:51:49] <MrHindsight> 10-20%
[22:51:55] <andypugh> Not free, but under you budget, (£93)
[22:53:12] <MrHindsight> humble_sea_bass: 3d printed lenses for telescopes is possible
[22:53:30] <MrHindsight> already doing optics for eyeglasses
[22:54:15] <humble_sea_bass> oh that crazy aside was about the object mirror
[22:55:19] <NickParker> andypugh: That does look rather more polished.
[22:55:50] <humble_sea_bass> the process is almost medieval and everyone has a slightly different process which is tedious to no end
[22:55:52] <MrHindsight> granite surface plate with t-slot bolted to the top and then surfaced should also work
[22:55:52] <NickParker> I'll probably use heekscad until i run into stuff I can't do with it, then upgrade to something.
[22:56:12] <_methods> yeah i've never tried cambam
[22:56:21] <_methods> i hear it mentioned quite a bit
[22:56:29] <andypugh> It works.
[22:57:16] <_methods> that's a good thing lol
[22:57:26] <andypugh> CamBam did the paths for these: https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/bovTD2Dm9PYPPy6e6OshK9MTjNZETYmyPJy0liipFm0?feat=directlink
[22:57:50] <_methods> i think there is gsimple
[22:57:53] <_methods> which iss fre
[22:57:56] <_methods> free even
[22:58:00] <andypugh> (And once I figured it out, it was quite quick)
[22:58:01] <_methods> and freemill
[22:58:08] <_methods> i've never used either
[22:58:21] <andypugh> FreeMill is a bit limited, and Windows only. (IIRC)
[22:59:11] <shaun413_> is a southbend 9a a good choice?
[22:59:12] <Tom_itx> andypugh i thought those parts were exact mirror but i see they werent'
[22:59:17] <_methods> http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?Cam
[22:59:39] <MrHindsight> http://forums.reprap.org/file.php?148,file=532 whats wrong with this design?
[22:59:47] <andypugh> Tom_itx: I think that they could have been, and might have been on later models.
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[23:00:06] <MrHindsight> how to make your Z as heavy as possible
[23:00:13] <humble_sea_bass> haha
[23:00:17] <Tom_itx> did cambam generate the pockets or did you do the paths manually?
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[23:00:25] <MrHindsight> what were they thinking?
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[23:00:35] <andypugh> CamBam amde the pockets.
[23:00:45] <Tom_itx> looks like they turned out good
[23:01:06] <humble_sea_bass> its ok, that one threded rod can handle it
[23:01:07] <XXCoder> wow. that cnc Z is weird
[23:01:28] <humble_sea_bass> also bearings love to loaded laterally
[23:01:56] <_methods> hahah what is up with that z prox sensor
[23:02:15] <_methods> the gantry is stationary lol
[23:02:29] <andypugh> In fact, I gave CamBam a model of the two parts and told it to do two “Waterline Roughing” paths, followed by a “Pocket” with the ball-nose. Picking the profiles to use was the time-consuming bit.
[23:02:44] <_methods> wow it does waterline
[23:03:19] <andypugh> Here are the part being made; https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/CSu6UI0YPPadVzIdnFPyFtMTjNZETYmyPJy0liipFm0?feat=directlink
[23:04:06] <Tom_itx> did the hot glue come off ok?
[23:04:08] <andypugh> (Held in a fixture with hot-melt glue, as they taper awkwardly)
[23:04:16] <andypugh> Yes, after I got some IPA.
[23:04:19] <Tom_itx> did you use solvent after reheating to remove it completely?
[23:05:37] <andypugh> I am actually making astonishingly good progress with the Ner-a-Car: https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/bFxTlC1Cc1fyUBZGGjtCqNMTjNZETYmyPJy0liipFm0?feat=directlink
[23:06:06] <Tom_itx> what did you use for a reference once the parts were glued in place not knowing how the glue set?
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[23:06:20] <MrHindsight> http://chicago.craigslist.org/nwc/tls/4421483590.html
[23:06:25] <andypugh> From this a month and a bit ago: https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/0sQKiHNnDgwX_WelzL19ddMTjNZETYmyPJy0liipFm0?feat=directlink
[23:06:51] <andypugh> Tom_itx: The pockets were CNC machined to be only .01” bigger than the parts.
[23:07:11] <Tom_itx> you machined the hot glue first?
[23:07:18] <andypugh> And I had a reference hole in the fixture to hole-probe.ngc as the datum.
[23:07:18] <Tom_itx> then baked em?
[23:07:33] <MrHindsight> http://images.craigslist.org/00606_8vR7RToS7pp_600x450.jpg which series is this? J head with what body?
[23:07:44] <Tom_itx> i've never tried hotglue to hold parts yet
[23:08:18] <andypugh> Tom_itx: There is an aluminium fixture, with good-fitting pockets for the parts. The hot glue just holds the parts down in the pockets.
[23:08:24] <Tom_itx> we would have probably pocketed some vise jaws to hold em
[23:08:31] <Tom_itx> ahh ok
[23:08:32] <_methods> looks like series 1
[23:08:39] <_methods> wiht the 7" extension
[23:08:45] <_methods> column extension
[23:09:28] <_methods> hrmm no dovetail on the headstock
[23:09:32] <_methods> the round version
[23:09:42] <MrHindsight> the bridgeport comes complete with collets endmills indicators drills parralels and 2 rotery tables.
[23:09:44] <andypugh> http://www.lathes.co.uk/bridgeport/page15.html
[23:09:57] <_methods> how much?
[23:10:03] <andypugh> 1938 “Round Ram” model
[23:10:20] <MrHindsight> $850 or best
[23:10:36] <_methods> i'd hit him with $600
[23:11:03] <_methods> even if it's a total disaster you can get that much in scrap on it
[23:11:06] <MrHindsight> I have enough already
[23:11:26] <andypugh> Ah, no, it’s a Mk2 with the worm to rotate the ram
[23:12:01] <_methods> yeah i don't know what kind of trouble you can get into with that
[23:12:18] <_methods> even if you lock it down it's still a bridgeport
[23:12:26] <andypugh> http://www.lathes.co.uk/bridgeport/page16.html says it’s a post WW2 one if it has the pancake motor.
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[23:13:13] <_methods> you really can't go wrong with a bridgeport
[23:13:55] <_methods> $1k and under is usually a good price
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[23:20:39] <MrHindsight> look for TIG welders find deals on mills, look for mills find surface grinders
[23:20:48] <MrHindsight> it's all about timing
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[23:31:13] <JesusAlos> gn
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