#linuxcnc | Logs for 2014-04-12

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[00:14:59] <shaun416> hmm
[00:15:04] <humble_sea_bass> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BidGqPaIcAApFy0.jpg:large
[00:15:12] <humble_sea_bass> that's my only opinion
[00:15:32] <shaun416> heh
[00:15:42] <shaun416> who cares?
[00:17:03] <shaun416> do you think a littlemachineshop lathe is good?
[00:17:17] <humble_sea_bass> ah you see, that's exactly how I feel about the microlux vs LMS choice
[00:17:35] <shaun416> hmm
[00:17:38] <shaun416> is it racist?
[00:17:42] <shaun416> lathist?
[00:18:12] <humble_sea_bass> just get one and live with it until you can get one better, it is all min-maxing excersize now
[00:18:25] <zeeshan> what a dissapointing trade day today
[00:18:41] <humble_sea_bass> stocks or tools
[00:18:44] <zeeshan> tools
[00:18:51] <zeeshan> so i went to this old guys house to check out some tools
[00:18:55] <zeeshan> i knew instantly i was in for some shit
[00:19:04] <shaun416> I mean thi LSM one is sexy
[00:19:07] <zeeshan> cause the guy wouldnt give me prices. he was too attached to the tools (84 years old)
[00:19:15] <zeeshan> he tried to sell my starrett telescoping gauges for $250
[00:19:16] <zeeshan> rofl
[00:19:23] <humble_sea_bass> he was 84?
[00:19:25] <zeeshan> yea
[00:19:36] <zeeshan> i'm like "thats the price of new gauges"
[00:19:38] <zeeshan> he's like
[00:19:40] <humble_sea_bass> sounds more like he needs money
[00:19:43] <zeeshan> "this are in new condition"
[00:19:45] <humble_sea_bass> a specific amount
[00:19:55] <zeeshan> nahh man, i wasted an hour there
[00:20:02] <zeeshan> he was trying to sell al lhis tools at brand new prices
[00:20:29] <humble_sea_bass> can't win them all
[00:20:34] <zeeshan> yessir :P
[00:20:41] <humble_sea_bass> what you should do is keep tabs on him
[00:20:52] <zeeshan> how so
[00:20:59] <humble_sea_bass> enough ppl blow him off and he'll get sad, and you swoop in
[00:21:07] <zeeshan> http://www.starrett.com/metrology/product-detail/Precision-Measuring-Tools/Precision-Hand-Tools/Hole-Gages/Telescoping-Gages/S229GZ
[00:21:09] <zeeshan> rofl
[00:21:11] <zeeshan> theyre 211$ brand new
[00:21:19] <zeeshan> so that means local supplier can get em for 160
[00:22:57] <humble_sea_bass> only a rube would give him those prices
[00:23:17] <humble_sea_bass> so he is gonna have to come down to reality at some point
[00:23:19] <zeeshan> the problem is when you have people attached to tools
[00:23:29] <zeeshan> they will be very unreasonable when it comes to priceses
[00:23:46] <zeeshan> you can't sell your old tools that you've owned for 40 years for brand new prices
[00:23:47] <humble_sea_bass> he is 84, there must be a reason he is selling them
[00:23:56] <zeeshan> i think his son has been forcing him to sell em
[00:24:00] <zeeshan> cause the son posted the ad
[00:24:01] <zeeshan> not the father
[00:24:10] <humble_sea_bass> oh. well, fuck the son
[00:24:39] <humble_sea_bass> let your pa keep his fucking tools instead of torturing him in his old age
[00:24:42] <shaun416> hmm LMS seems to have alot of accesories
[00:24:44] <shaun416> and support
[00:25:13] <zeeshan> note to self: never go to a place where the person won't give you aprice on at least one of the items
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[00:34:10] <shaun416> ?
[00:36:21] <XXCoder1> zeeshan: no luck?
[00:36:26] <zeeshan> nope
[00:36:26] <zeeshan> :P
[00:36:56] <XXCoder1> yeah when trying to get rid of lots tools... go for lower than new
[00:37:07] <XXCoder1> I met people like that
[00:37:24] <XXCoder1> one guy wanted $6,000 for car thats at best $1k, bad paint, bad engine
[00:37:30] <zeeshan> lol
[00:37:36] <zeeshan> sometimes you just gotta walk away
[00:37:42] <shaun416> is the LMS mill good too?
[00:37:52] <XXCoder1> maybe it hold tons memories and his wife wanna get rid of it and he "agreed"
[00:38:22] <XXCoder1> "its totally worth 6k. totally."
[00:39:08] <zeeshan> haha
[00:39:16] <zeeshan> its worth 1$ for you to crash it into a wall!
[00:39:57] <zeeshan> what some people don't understand is
[00:40:09] <zeeshan> if you bought a tool 40 years ago that was $200
[00:40:15] <zeeshan> its not worth $200 after 40 years..
[00:40:22] <zeeshan> especially since you've used it for those 40 years :P
[00:40:27] <XXCoder1> lol yeah
[00:40:29] <zeeshan> only rare tools get that treatment..
[00:40:34] <XXCoder1> indeed
[00:40:49] <zeeshan> i always price the stuff that i sell fairly
[00:40:56] <zeeshan> and i've never had anyone even bother negotiating with me
[00:41:01] <zeeshan> :)
[00:41:05] <XXCoder1> and even there not always hold value. for exampke rare tool thats been valuable till some company made something better or same
[00:41:15] <zeeshan> exactly
[00:41:28] <zeeshan> i think the only things that tend to hold their value when they're old
[00:41:31] <zeeshan> is things like
[00:41:33] <zeeshan> anvils, and vises
[00:41:54] <zeeshan> or tools that were never used
[00:42:00] <zeeshan> are in absolute pristine condition :)
[00:42:04] <XXCoder1> unless weird and pointless
[00:42:22] <XXCoder1> I still never could find weird screwdriver in screwdriver thingy
[00:42:43] <zeeshan> the screwdriver that olds multiple bits within it?
[00:42:47] <zeeshan> *holds
[00:42:55] <XXCoder1> lol no thats not special
[00:43:07] <XXCoder1> no it has minture screwdriver inside larger regular one
[00:43:14] <XXCoder1> push handle in and tiny one rotates
[00:43:23] <XXCoder1> inside screwdriver blade
[00:43:39] <shaun416> hmm
[00:43:48] <shaun416> is Litllemachineshop stuff good?
[00:43:53] <shaun416> like the lathes and mills?
[00:44:13] <XXCoder1> Youre spinning wheels atm, sometimes its best just go for it
[00:44:22] <shaun416> I see
[00:44:23] <XXCoder1> You got advice for better ones
[00:44:27] <shaun416> well
[00:44:31] <shaun416> I have no room
[00:44:45] <XXCoder1> for 8"17" ones?
[00:45:16] <zeeshan> shaun415: you gotta research online mate
[00:45:23] <zeeshan> and watch some youtube videfos
[00:45:41] <zeeshan> if you have no room, you shouldnt be buying a lathe or mill to begin with
[00:45:41] <zeeshan> :P
[00:46:00] <zeeshan> the only two machines in your range are dinky little sherlines
[00:46:06] <zeeshan> that in my opinion are pretty useless
[00:46:54] <shaun416> well
[00:46:58] <shaun416> these are in my range
[00:47:03] <shaun416> the littlemachine shop ones
[00:47:12] <shaun416> and they are a lot less dinky than sherline
[00:47:16] <shaun416> 150lbs vs 30lbs
[00:47:23] <shaun416> .7 hb vs .3
[00:47:43] <humble_sea_bass> get that one
[00:47:54] <humble_sea_bass> just fucking get it
[00:48:05] <shaun416> OK
[00:48:10] <shaun416> I will get it
[00:48:20] <zeeshan> https://littlemachineshop.com/products/product_view.php?ProductID=4700&category=
[00:48:24] <zeeshan> that thing?
[00:48:32] <humble_sea_bass> a thing
[00:48:35] <humble_sea_bass> anything
[00:48:38] <zeeshan> haha humble_sea_bass
[00:48:42] <zeeshan> i can tell you're annoyed =D
[00:49:06] <shaun416> yes that thing zeeshan
[00:49:13] <zeeshan> looks pretty decent
[00:49:20] <zeeshan> prolly can do aluminun on it
[00:49:29] <shaun416> its well regarded
[00:49:40] <zeeshan> .34 hp
[00:49:48] <zeeshan> prolly cant handle bigger than a 1/4 end mill
[00:49:55] <shaun416> wiat
[00:50:17] <humble_sea_bass> it is fine
[00:50:39] <zeeshan> my vise weighs more than that mill
[00:50:39] <zeeshan> haha
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[00:50:44] <zeeshan> sorry had to say it
[00:50:48] <shaun416> http://littlemachineshop.com/3900
[00:50:50] <shaun416> this one
[00:51:25] <zeeshan> WOW
[00:51:27] <zeeshan> er
[00:51:28] <zeeshan> wow
[00:51:31] <zeeshan> it uses a r8 spindle
[00:51:36] <shaun416> ?
[00:51:48] <shaun416> is that a good wow?
[00:52:02] <zeeshan> yes
[00:52:10] <shaun416> Ohk
[00:52:13] <zeeshan> means your tool isnt going to fly out in your face
[00:52:13] <zeeshan> :P
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[00:52:14] <shaun416> so these seems good?
[00:52:17] <shaun416> ha
[00:52:19] <shaun416> good
[00:52:21] <zeeshan> yes
[00:52:24] <shaun416> Ok
[00:52:39] <shaun416> shipping is hell
[00:52:46] <shaun416> 200 dollars each item
[00:52:50] <shaun416> :/
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[00:52:59] <XXCoder1> same for my future buy of rails. so expensive
[00:53:08] <shaun416> yeah,,,
[00:53:17] <zeeshan> for 1000$ you can get an old bridgeport
[00:53:17] <zeeshan> :D
[00:53:26] <shaun416> well...
[00:53:27] <shaun416> yes
[00:53:29] <shaun416> but where
[00:53:29] <zeeshan> but then again you have n ospace
[00:53:32] <shaun416> and is it good
[00:53:35] <shaun416> And yeah...
[00:53:38] <shaun416> I dont have room
[00:53:50] <shaun416> think apartment sized
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[00:55:53] <XXCoder1> rent a warehouse heh
[00:56:04] <XXCoder1> seriously overkill though unless you move there too lol
[00:56:17] <zeeshan> that would be cool
[00:56:36] <zeeshan> you could make a loft style apartment
[00:56:36] <GuShH_> is it day dreaming time?
[00:56:39] <zeeshan> Yes
[00:57:00] <GuShH_> the bridgeport would eat shaun up the first time he turns it on assuming he's got 3 phase or a monster vfd
[00:57:14] <shaun416> ha
[00:57:16] <GuShH_> you know it's not just the machine you need tooling....
[00:57:19] <shaun416> Yes
[00:57:21] <GuShH_> and experience...
[00:57:23] <shaun416> hey GuShH_ !
[00:57:29] <GuShH_> also how are you going to cut material, shaun415...
[00:57:35] <shaun416> hmm
[00:57:43] <shaun416> how can I?
[00:57:54] <shaun416> hacksaw :p?
[00:58:00] * GuShH_ eyerolls
[00:58:13] <GuShH_> bandsaw, chopsaw, mitersaw... those come to mind.
[00:58:45] <GuShH_> hacksaw with a fresh blade is OK for a one off...
[00:58:47] <GuShH_> 1
[00:59:11] <shaun416> i have a chop saw
[00:59:17] <shaun416> can get a metal blade
[00:59:20] <GuShH_> in an apartment?
[00:59:33] <GuShH_> you'll get your ass kicked after a day or two.
[00:59:41] <shaun416> not an apartment
[00:59:48] <shaun416> i said thtats the room i have
[00:59:57] <shaun416> something that could fit in one
[01:00:06] <GuShH_> apartments come in all shapes and sizes though
[01:00:48] <GuShH_> you are in love with an idea but you've never ever worked with these tools so you don't really know what's involved... I suggest you gain access to these tools before you attempt to buy any of them.
[01:01:03] <GuShH_> visit a local shop
[01:01:14] <GuShH_> see if it's what you really want.
[01:01:20] <_methods> he's been told all this multiple times
[01:01:35] <shaun416> I have used them
[01:01:48] <GuShH_> where
[01:01:53] <shaun416> at a shop
[01:01:56] <shaun416> at my school
[01:02:06] <humble_sea_bass> he has access to all sorts of great bridgeport shit at his college and he refuses to use it
[01:02:10] <shaun416> its always crowded though, and not convininet to get to
[01:02:32] <humble_sea_bass> and he wont join SAE and build a race car
[01:02:35] <GuShH_> humble_sea_bass: what a tool
[01:02:37] <GuShH_> himself.
[01:02:43] <humble_sea_bass> for credits no less
[01:03:02] <shaun416> I might actually join RFR
[01:03:04] <GuShH_> you want to produce commercial parts, shaun... a lot is involved in this.
[01:03:05] <shaun416> seems neat
[01:03:10] <shaun416> next year
[01:03:30] <shaun416> GuShH_, small commercial parts
[01:03:41] <GuShH_> your answer basically says "I have no known time on those machines"
[01:03:46] <GuShH_> size is irrelevant.
[01:03:57] <shaun416> ok
[01:03:58] <GuShH_> machining is like flying, you need to clock hours.
[01:03:59] <shaun416> I can learn
[01:04:17] <GuShH_> that's how you get experienced. you don't just buy shit and open up a can of "skillz"
[01:04:27] <GuShH_> well start by using those machines if you have access to them...
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[01:04:44] <shaun416> I have
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[01:04:52] <GuShH_> let's see what you made then
[01:05:04] * GuShH_ blinks
[01:05:08] <shaun416> ...
[01:05:11] <shaun416> It wasnt for me
[01:05:18] <shaun416> i dont have it
[01:05:23] <humble_sea_bass> wutang gauntlet just got droooooped
[01:05:26] <GuShH_> alright I don't like the smell of bs so I'ma head to another channel.
[01:05:32] <shaun416> .
[01:06:20] <GuShH_> less lies, more pies.
[01:06:29] <shaun416> the pies are lies
[01:06:37] <GuShH_> only one of them is
[01:06:45] <GuShH_> WE ALL KNOW THAT:
[01:06:46] <shaun416> the cherry
[01:06:50] <shaun416> always the cherry
[01:07:28] <GuShH_> humble_sea_bass: you can get literally a bridgeport mill for that money over there? or were you just talking about generic knee mills
[01:07:35] <GuShH_> universal or just vertical
[01:07:55] <GuShH_> and what size...
[01:08:26] <GuShH_> 1k gets me a universal knee mill but they are not bridgeports....
[01:08:32] <shaun416> hm
[01:08:36] <humble_sea_bass> You can find Bridgeport Series 1 in good condition for 1500
[01:08:51] <shaun416> I cant afford 1500
[01:09:00] <GuShH_> add another 500 in collets or so, maybe another 1000 in endmills and such.
[01:09:03] <GuShH_> heh
[01:09:09] <humble_sea_bass> you also can't fit a series 1 so we ain't even going there
[01:09:10] <GuShH_> shaun415: these weigh over a ton
[01:09:21] <_methods> shhh don't tell him secrets
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[01:10:11] <humble_sea_bass> the best part of being in college was using Bridgeport everythings from WWII
[01:10:31] <GuShH_> it's not just space, you need a floor capable of holding the beast.
[01:10:51] <shaun416> yes
[01:10:56] <shaun416> I cant get that then
[01:11:05] <GuShH_> so keep looking at toys then
[01:11:11] <shaun416> why call them toys
[01:11:15] <GuShH_> but look for used.
[01:11:18] <shaun416> whats toy about them
[01:11:21] <GuShH_> that's what they are.
[01:11:33] <shaun416> why
[01:11:37] <shaun416> whats toyish
[01:11:43] <humble_sea_bass> they are learning tools he means
[01:11:43] <shaun416> I wouldnt let a kid play with it
[01:11:54] <shaun416> and they can make things cant they?
[01:12:11] <GuShH_> jesus, the tiny sherlines don't even have graduated collars you have to buy a "more expensive model" for that...
[01:12:20] <GuShH_> there's no actual compound
[01:12:29] <shaun416> yeah
[01:12:31] <shaun416> that sucks
[01:12:41] <shaun416> GuShH_, what do you think of the LMS one/.
[01:12:55] <GuShH_> LMS what?
[01:13:00] <humble_sea_bass> just get it
[01:13:03] <humble_sea_bass> just get it
[01:13:04] <GuShH_> it's a tiny little thing that you could CNC to make very small parts, but for what it is... too expensive
[01:13:06] <shaun416> littlemachineshop
[01:13:10] <GuShH_> look for something bigger, used.
[01:13:15] <shaun416> humble_sea_bass, you seem to just want me to leave
[01:13:28] <humble_sea_bass> no i want you to choose
[01:13:30] <shaun416> its not that small GuShH_ ...
[01:13:32] <humble_sea_bass> like that Rush song
[01:13:40] <shaun416> bigger than sherline
[01:14:05] <GuShH_> look for the biggest used most complete lathe you can afford, period.
[01:14:17] <humble_sea_bass> for a dude in engineering school you don't apply any of the principles of it
[01:14:23] <GuShH_> haha
[01:14:33] <shaun416> GuShH_, Ive looked
[01:14:38] <shaun416> they are all huge
[01:14:40] <GuShH_> you need to keep looking.
[01:14:46] <shaun416> Any brands?
[01:14:52] <GuShH_> no
[01:15:19] <humble_sea_bass> i'm gonna pretend to drive a race car on the internet..
[01:15:53] <GuShH_> humble_sea_bass: sounds fun.. can I pretend to get hit by your race car so I can claim insurance?
[01:16:53] <humble_sea_bass> you can, but unfortunately it pays out in iRacing bux
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[02:19:39] <shaun416> Woahhho
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[03:53:54] <shaun416> Hi all
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[04:23:13] <Connor> shaun416: http://www.grizzly.com/products/Drill-Mill-with-Stand/G0704
[04:23:22] <Connor> That's what I have
[04:23:33] <shaun416> nice
[04:23:36] <shaun416> how does it work
[04:23:46] <Connor> Works great.
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[04:23:52] <Connor> I thought you where looking for a lathe ?
[04:23:53] <shaun416> and you have a lkathe?
[04:24:06] <shaun416> I was..
[04:24:11] <Connor> I have a mini 7x10
[04:24:13] <shaun416> I need a mill too eventually..
[04:24:16] <Connor> I've used a bit..
[04:24:17] <shaun416> what brand lathe
[04:24:26] <Connor> HF or Grizzly, was given to me.
[04:24:42] <Connor> My plan is to put a 4th axis on the mill and use it as both.
[04:25:32] <shaun416> i see
[04:25:36] <shaun416> I hear hf is crap
[04:25:39] <shaun416> id like to avoid it
[04:25:41] <shaun416> :/
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[04:26:37] <Connor> those mini mills aren't all that hot either.. if your gonna spend the $$ throw a bit more in and get the G0704
[04:26:54] <shaun416> :/
[04:27:19] <Connor> What are you getting the lathe / mill for ?
[04:27:46] <shaun416> for my business
[04:27:49] <shaun416> and fun
[04:27:57] <Connor> What are you planning on making?
[04:27:58] <shaun416> making 3d printer items
[04:28:05] <shaun416> hotend nozzles
[04:28:14] <shaun416> and parts for electornics kits
[04:28:17] <Connor> now, the mill could make those..
[04:28:24] <shaun416> you need a lathe
[04:28:37] <shaun416> essentially you need both...
[04:28:40] <Connor> you can get a R8 - 3 Jaw chuck.. (4")
[04:28:54] <shaun416> well...
[04:29:06] <Connor> and use the mill as a vertical lathe.
[04:29:24] <Connor> as long as you don't need tail stock.
[04:29:30] <shaun416> I do
[04:29:43] <Connor> for what?
[04:29:52] <shaun416> drilling the nozzle
[04:29:56] <Connor> nope.
[04:30:00] <shaun416> heh
[04:30:09] <shaun416> I need a lathe
[04:30:13] <shaun416> to turn the peeks
[04:30:14] <Connor> mount the drill bit in a collet on a collet holder..
[04:30:26] <Connor> on the table.
[04:30:36] <shaun416> its a .3mm bit
[04:30:51] <Connor> brb, let me find a video of someone using a mill as a lathe to make a tool holder
[04:31:17] <shaun416> OK....
[04:32:08] <Connor> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5FYbKxrasDg
[04:32:14] <Connor> here is a mill being used as a lathe.
[04:32:24] <Connor> with a gang tool
[04:32:38] <shaun416> but thats not its entended purpose...
[04:32:51] <Connor> Doesn't matter.
[04:33:00] <shaun416> idk...
[04:33:06] <Connor> Ask anyone on here..
[04:33:27] <Connor> Heck, for that matter, the G0704 lets you tilt the head if you so choose.
[04:33:35] <Connor> just watch that video
[04:34:16] <_methods> hehe
[04:34:30] <shaun416> hmm
[04:34:37] <shaun416> so then why would anyone buy a lathe/
[04:35:00] <Connor> Because, sometimes you DO need one.. If you need to hold something between centers...
[04:35:24] <shaun416> ?
[04:35:24] <Connor> or you need to turn down something much longer..
[04:36:16] <Connor> The key is.. if using a mill as a lathe.. the setup takes a bit longer.. so, it's not so good for one-off's
[04:36:51] <Connor> but, you said your going to be making these for your business.. so, you make a fixture like in that video for all the tools needed.. and you go gang busters.
[04:37:37] <Connor> In fact, would be easier to automate on the mill than on the lathe.. you would have to change tools or make yourself a counsel.
[04:37:54] <Connor> turret I mean.
[04:38:18] <shaun416> Oh lord
[04:38:21] <shaun416> Longer???
[04:38:31] <shaun416> thats no good, this piece take 3hrs on a normal lathe
[04:38:46] <Connor> for ONE-OFF'S
[04:38:51] <shaun416> one-off?
[04:39:03] <Connor> A single part.. first time making it.. only going to make one.
[04:39:09] <shaun416> Im not making one
[04:40:01] <Connor> exactly.. so, setup time wouldn't be a issue. you make your tooling fixture with all the tools needed.. set all the coordinates and offsets.. and then but the stock in the chuck and hit go.
[04:40:04] <Connor> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UtL6RTjONe0
[04:40:07] <Connor> another video
[04:40:28] <shaun416> its not cnc...
[04:40:51] <Connor> I know. Even if you CNC'd the lathe, you would still have to change tools.
[04:40:53] <shaun416> i just have a feeling
[04:41:02] <shaun416> that a lathe should be used for lathed parts...
[04:41:24] <Connor> if your going to try to make these for sale on a MANUAL machine.. your going to loose money.. unless your time isn't worth anything..
[04:41:45] <shaun416> its not
[04:41:58] <shaun416> how am I going to afford cnc?
[04:42:07] <shaun416> I can barely affor manual
[04:42:16] <Jymmm> shaun416: Got Fishnets?
[04:42:18] <Connor> how old are you?
[04:42:37] <shaun416> 20
[04:42:45] <Connor> in school?
[04:42:59] <shaun416> yes
[04:43:43] <Connor> about the only thing I can tell you is get a credit card with low interest.. get another one with 0% on balance transfers for 18 or 24 months..
[04:43:55] <shaun416> 0.o
[04:44:00] <shaun416> thats so fricken stupid
[04:44:03] <Connor> put it on the first CC, transfer it the balance transfer.. and buy the mill or lathe.
[04:44:17] <shaun416> no
[04:44:27] <Connor> or.. SAVE up.
[04:44:35] <shaun416> why even recommend that
[04:44:40] <shaun416> thats the stupidest idea...
[04:44:46] <Connor> because, that gets you making parts NOW
[04:44:58] <shaun416> it gets me into debt too
[04:45:12] <Jymmm> you mill and sell parts,
[04:45:16] <shaun416> ?
[04:45:22] <Jymmm> PROFIT
[04:45:25] <Connor> and you can start paying it off.. it's NO INTEREST for 18 or 24 months..
[04:45:28] <shaun416> I need a lathe
[04:45:31] <shaun416> not a mill
[04:45:37] <Jymmm> whatever, same diff
[04:45:49] <Jymmm> mill/lathe make money
[04:46:08] <shaun416> im not going into debt
[04:46:14] <Connor> Jymmm: He's wanting to make 3d printer nozzles.. I'm telling him he can do with with a CNC Mill using a gang tool setup.. no need for a tail stock.. parts are 2 to 4" long..
[04:46:26] <Jymmm> Then dont ask US how YOU are going to get one then.
[04:46:49] <shaun416> OK
[04:46:53] <Jymmm> Connor: I'm sure ppl would buy them too.
[04:47:13] <Connor> Jymmm: I'm just telling him how i would do it.. a lathe isn't needed.
[04:47:30] <ReadError> btw guys
[04:47:34] <ReadError> shaun415 is a known troll
[04:47:35] <Jymmm> Connor: and a 4th axis, yeah
[04:47:38] <ReadError> banned in many places
[04:47:39] <_methods> yes
[04:47:42] <_methods> don't feed the troll
[04:47:50] <_methods> he's been trollin all day
[04:47:59] <Connor> Jymmm: Not even a 4th axis.. just a R8 4" Chuck.
[04:48:00] <shaun416> ...
[04:48:03] <Connor> and run it vertical.
[04:48:04] <shaun416> I am not a troll
[04:48:10] <shaun416> please dont spread that ReadError
[04:48:28] <Jymmm> Both of ya, just stop
[04:48:38] <shaun416> I am not banned anywhere..
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[04:49:45] <ReadError> how does one have a nozzle buisness but no knowledge or machines
[04:49:57] <shaun416> :/
[04:50:01] <Jymmm> ReadError: Just fucking stop
[04:50:20] <shaun416> Jymmm, was that supposed to be like flashing a gun :p
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[04:51:39] <Jymmm> Timeout, go stand in the corner
[04:51:53] <Connor> Jymmm: Who ?
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[04:52:28] <Connor> I had to reboot
[04:52:47] <shaun416> hm
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[04:57:29] <Jymmm> shaun416: But seriously, you have been coming in here without a clue, then ask silly this like how am I gonna afford it, given a suggestion then call it stupid. It was legit financing option. Act like your 20, not 12 and you might get along better in here.
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[04:58:03] <shaun413> Hm
[04:58:15] <shaun413> Its stupid to go into debt
[04:58:24] <Jymmm> shaun413: Again 20, not 12.
[04:58:28] <shaun413> I am
[04:58:32] <Connor> shaun413 You have to have money to make money
[04:58:39] <shaun413> I know
[04:58:41] <Connor> and sometimes that means going in to dept..
[04:58:41] <Jymmm> but youare acting like a 12yo
[04:58:48] <Connor> debt
[04:59:28] <Connor> that's why I recommended a 0% interest card for balance transfer.. You get a loan for $$$ for FREE for like 18 or 24 months.
[04:59:28] <Jymmm> It's called risk management, taking a chance on a business opportunity, etc.
[04:59:53] <Jymmm> A tool will always make you money.
[05:00:00] <shaun413> I could never get a cc anyway
[05:00:01] <Connor> Just put half of what you make on your sales toward the CC bill.
[05:00:17] <shaun413> And i didn't know there were 0% interest cc....
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[05:01:10] <Connor> Some cards will send out promotional deals where if you get the card, they'll do 0% on balance transfers for 12, 18 or whatever months..
[05:01:33] <shaun413> ,;/
[05:01:49] <shaun413> My parents would never let me do that
[05:02:05] <Connor> They can be tricky.. because if you use that CC for other stuff.. you have to pay off the other stuff before the $$ goes to the balance transfer..
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[05:02:54] <Connor> I'm done. Just trying to help ya man. I hate CC with a passion, but, they're a necessary evil at times.
[05:03:09] <shaun413> .
[05:03:27] <shaun413> I can't get a cc anyway
[05:03:38] <Connor> You have to at some point.
[05:03:47] <Connor> you need to establish credit.
[05:04:18] <Connor> I didn't get credit to I purchased my Ford Ranger.. my Dad had to co-sign on it.. within 6 months.. I had more CC offers than I could shake a stick at.
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[05:04:37] <shaun413> I can't get one now
[05:04:49] <shaun413> And my parents won't let me do that
[05:05:52] <Connor> If you try to make the parts manually, you won't be consistent, it'll take forever, and it wont be worth your time.. you'll make 5 or so and call it quits.
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[05:06:31] <XXCoder> hey
[05:06:33] <Connor> Anyway.. I'm done.. Gotta go.. talk later.
[05:06:40] <shaun413> Hm
[05:06:45] <shaun413> I will?
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[05:08:47] <XXCoder> oh finally made extrasion work in sketchup
[05:08:55] <shaun413> :/
[05:09:39] <XXCoder> how do I set specific size for objects though?
[05:09:52] <XXCoder> say if I wanna object exactly 2' by 4'
[05:10:03] <shaun413> Just type
[05:10:13] <shaun413> Lower right hand corner there's a box
[05:10:37] <XXCoder> must be while its being made?
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[05:12:14] <shaun413> Yes
[05:12:53] <shaun413> Use SW :p
[05:12:57] <XXCoder> ahh
[05:15:17] <shaun413> So I guess I just can't afford this
[05:15:21] <shaun413> And should give up
[05:18:45] <XXCoder> cant say that, only your decision
[05:18:51] <shaun413> Well
[05:18:59] <XXCoder> if you can start with lathe then buy one tool a time or something
[05:19:07] <shaun413> Apparablty ill make 5 and stop
[05:21:59] <XXCoder> 5 what?
[05:22:10] <shaun413> 5 things
[05:22:21] <XXCoder> oh dunno
[05:22:25] <shaun413> As per connor
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[05:23:41] <shaun413> Anyway.... Bedtime
[05:23:45] <shaun413> Goodnight
[05:24:21] <XXCoder> night
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[10:15:35] <Deejay> kurz-tach
[10:21:21] <jthornton> www.wimp.com/tiniestengine
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[11:29:59] <witnit> that guy is too cool
[11:30:11] <witnit> seen that video before, still amazed
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[12:17:06] <Jymmm> I didn't see any spark or glow plugs, so I suspect that was air powered, bummer.
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[12:17:52] <Jymmm> Did I read that right... 1220 hours to make it?
[12:19:36] <Tom_itx> you want one that runs? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KLzzSt04V3w
[12:22:07] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: How many MP is that?
[12:22:17] <Tom_itx> http://www.ohgizmo.com/2013/10/21/worlds-smallest-fully-functioning-v8-engine-with-electronic-injection/
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[12:24:24] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: That article doens't do it justice.
[12:25:00] <Tom_itx> http://www.homemodelenginemachinist.com/f31/1-4-scale-v8-first-project-13548/
[12:25:26] <Tom_itx> that may not be the same one
[12:26:49] <Jymmm> http://www.homemodelenginemachinist.com/f31/1-4-scale-v8-first-project-13548/index10.html
[12:27:35] <Jymmm> looks liek it is, or a clone
[12:28:41] <Jymmm> valve covers are the same, alternator and oil pump (?) look the same
[12:28:59] <Tom_itx> it is. it was linked from the other page
[12:29:00] <Jymmm> water? fuel?
[12:29:27] <Jymmm> I found the one that jthornton linked to... https://www.youtube.com/user/yesuswilder10#p/u/0/3YfTtGCsiD8
[12:30:17] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: I still want to know the MP though
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[13:14:09] <PetefromTn_> Good morning
[13:19:13] * jthornton heads out for a ride on the BlueWing
[13:19:28] <Jymmm> A boy and his tricycle
[13:26:12] <PetefromTn_> I will be heading out for a ride on the red rocket here in a bit LOL.
[13:28:36] <Jymmm> http://www.momofali.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/Adam-and-The-Red-Rocket-2.jpg
[13:31:21] <PetefromTn_> yeah mine is a little bit different RED ROCKET... It is my shop built Short Wheelbase Recumbent Bicycle.
[13:31:41] <Jymmm> Bullshit, that's a pic of you from yesterday!
[13:33:44] <PetefromTn_> yeah probably only I am not that cute..
[13:35:31] <Jymmm> (We know, just being nice about it by not mentioning it)
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[13:37:03] <Jymmm> ;)
[13:37:51] <PetefromTn_> :D
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[13:47:46] <witnit> making some 2" diameter bushings, 1 inch though hole, 3 long.... metal shaving flings off the lathe, directly into my mouth... burnt tongue and both lips. :P
[13:48:14] <PetefromTn_> LOL what are ya a mouth breather ROFL..???
[13:48:27] <witnit> totally was at that moment
[13:48:45] <PetefromTn_> I have had hot pieces fling off and land UNDER my safety glasses burning the sensitive skin around my eyes before...
[13:49:02] <PetefromTn_> That is LOTS of fun.
[13:49:06] <witnit> yeah, worst thing to ever happen was when I was in robotics during high school
[13:49:21] <witnit> we had about 10 minutes to lkighten up the robot to meet the specs
[13:49:55] <witnit> I ended up cutting 1 inshuare 1/16th wall aluminum with a body grinder, the aluminum balled up all molten hot and flung right at me
[13:49:59] <witnit> melted into my skin
[13:50:04] <witnit> sad sad sad panda
[13:50:44] <shaun416> Good morning
[13:50:53] <witnit> morn
[13:51:16] <XXCoder> morning
[13:51:32] <PetefromTn_> I once welded some subframe connectors underneath my old mustang and had some hot slag fall off into my shorts and I STILL have that sweater I was wearing that looks like swiss cheese from the weld holes LOL..
[13:51:43] <witnit> hahahah
[13:51:50] <shaun416> I once got molten solder on my tongue
[13:51:53] <shaun416> dont ask how
[13:52:25] <witnit> yeah I used to tig and mig I had accidently let the cuff my pants turn into a nice little slag funnel directly into the tongue of my boot
[13:52:47] <witnit> I could not remove them quick enough, just let em sizzle and then I peed a little
[13:53:05] <shaun416> hmmm
[13:53:12] <witnit> sooo
[13:53:18] <witnit> how shaun
[13:53:27] <Loetmichel> hrhr
[13:53:41] <shaun416> from theses stories I imagine you as some guy with burn marks and scars all over your tattered body
[13:53:54] <witnit> ive seen better days
[13:54:00] <Loetmichel> i once have accidentally thrown a 17mm spanner into a 2 ton lead-acid battery... exactly on the poles.
[13:54:05] <witnit> benn star of manny playyyys
[13:54:14] <Loetmichel> *flashbang*
[13:54:22] <witnit> nice
[13:54:39] <witnit> you ever get tickled by a capacitor?
[13:54:59] <shaun416> Oh i have
[13:55:03] <shaun416> more than tickled...
[13:55:03] <Loetmichel> <- has seen nothing but stars in a while. and after that my face and my clothes were gray with black dots... and the glasses were like pilot glasses ;-)
[13:55:07] <shaun416> it was like .5F
[13:55:13] <Loetmichel> (mirrored)
[13:55:28] <witnit> oh noeas
[13:55:35] <XXCoder> ypu acciently did metallic depost?
[13:55:42] <XXCoder> glasses still worked?
[13:55:46] <Loetmichel> yeah
[13:56:05] <Loetmichel> just with a -50% in brightness ;-)
[13:56:20] <XXCoder> lol
[13:56:22] <witnit> how close was your face to said battery
[13:56:26] <Loetmichel> and some black dots
[13:56:30] <Loetmichel> about a meter
[13:56:36] <witnit> you lucky sob
[13:56:56] <Loetmichel> the spanner needed about 0,1sec to evaporate completely
[13:56:58] <XXCoder> yeah even worse stuff could have happened
[13:57:02] <witnit> ears ringed for awhile I bet
[13:57:39] <Loetmichel> just the ring and the yaw left over
[13:57:41] <witnit> shaun you wear regular glasses?
[13:57:53] <witnit> O.o
[13:57:55] <Loetmichel> jeah, ears ringed a while also ;-)
[13:58:10] <witnit> did you frame the wrench?
[13:58:13] <witnit> bits.
[13:58:16] <Loetmichel> no
[13:58:23] <Loetmichel> they were welded to the poles
[13:58:27] <Loetmichel> unremoveable ;-)
[13:58:30] <witnit> hahaha
[13:58:37] <Loetmichel> got scrapped with the battery cells
[13:59:05] <witnit> silly they even put the poles that close together on something like that
[13:59:06] <witnit> imo
[13:59:15] <Loetmichel> was only the drive battery of a small lorry for luggage
[13:59:25] <Loetmichel> -> 2 tons, 88V ~2kAh
[13:59:26] <witnit> oh
[13:59:33] <witnit> I assumed it was a big one
[13:59:53] <witnit> Ive seen some pretty big batteries, but I do not know anything about ratings
[13:59:54] <Loetmichel> 2 tons of lead i consider "big"
[14:00:11] <XXCoder> wit my work pallet truck is small but got BIG ass battery
[14:00:22] <witnit> I was thinking like a 4x4x4 cube
[14:00:32] <XXCoder> if I ever acciently cross wires I'd die
[14:01:16] <witnit> what do you guys thinks about making a HHO cnc cutting torch system for a 110V system
[14:01:32] <witnit> does it have any practical uses you think?
[14:01:35] <shaun416> dont get shocked
[14:01:58] <witnit> it only uses 2v as the water per plate
[14:02:08] <witnit> not the full 110
[14:02:16] <witnit> at the water*
[14:02:37] <shaun416> i see
[14:02:43] <shaun416> 110v is not fun
[14:03:16] <witnit> at work the 440 scares me some
[14:03:37] <witnit> I dont like messing with it but I dont trust anyone else to do it
[14:03:52] <witnit> the fear of someone else getting hurt is higher than thyself
[14:04:14] <witnit> btw shaun I asked earlier, do you wear regular glasses?
[14:04:23] <Loetmichel> shaun416: 110 IS fun
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[14:04:28] <Loetmichel> we have 230 over here
[14:04:35] <Loetmichel> that is a bit more dangerous
[14:04:46] <Loetmichel> ... still only tickles a bit ;-)
[14:04:55] <shaun416> meh
[14:04:58] <shaun416> more than tingles
[14:05:07] <shaun416> when you do it twice in a row
[14:05:15] <witnit> made any wire strippers from any good sidecuts?
[14:05:16] <Loetmichel> i worked more than 10 years as EE
[14:05:32] <Loetmichel> i cant count the times i got shocked ;)
[14:05:35] <Loetmichel> you get used to it
[14:05:53] <Loetmichel> as log as you dont get "glued" to the wire all is fine ;-)
[14:06:15] <witnit> yehh............. I have yet to be hit my anything higher than 110
[14:06:22] <witnit> I just assume keep it that way
[14:06:48] <XXCoder> heh friend of mine acciently got "glued" to house wiring. I made double fist and was about to hit his hands when he finally let go
[14:07:00] <witnit> ;(
[14:07:03] <witnit> scary to see huh?
[14:07:17] <XXCoder> no shit. he was nervious wheck for days after. glad hes ok
[14:07:25] <witnit> I bet
[14:07:35] <Loetmichel> witnit: it was a truck like this, only bigger and with a trunk on the back: http://www.ebay.de/itm/MAFI-Elektro-Schlepper-15t-Zugkraft-Druckluftbrem-Batterie-2011Standheiz-Nr-22-/261312810402?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_77&hash=item3cd7750da2
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[14:08:08] <XXCoder> I used double fist rather than grab hands so contact is briefer and faster
[14:08:22] <XXCoder> but he managed to avoid being hit
[14:08:57] <Loetmichel> XXCoder: my boss cauth me standing at the main circuit board of a house... Voltmeter down in the car
[14:09:10] <Loetmichel> so i took my finger and touched the mains screws...
[14:09:15] <witnit> that lil cart made me think of a tetris piece
[14:09:42] <Loetmichel> ... nothing... nothing... *bzzzt* "OUCH!" ... aaand we have a live one!
[14:09:45] <witnit> good call XX
[14:09:50] <Loetmichel> the ticling wasnt that bad
[14:09:57] <Loetmichel> but the yelling of the boss was ;-)
[14:10:12] <XXCoder> never use two hands, current goes though heart
[14:10:29] <witnit> test all panels with the back of your hand before accessing
[14:10:47] <witnit> so to not accidently grab onto a device
[14:10:51] <witnit> and die
[14:10:51] <witnit> haha
[14:11:42] <XXCoder> heh
[14:12:05] <witnit> people gotta know you canbt mess around with electricity
[14:12:35] <Loetmichel> witnit: but you CAN... at least once ;-)
[14:12:35] <XXCoder> yeah, I'm super paraoid, even dead wires I handle one a time while wiring switch and such
[14:13:18] <witnit> if you keep you elbow of your screwdriver hand always toughing the panel box.... well just thank nme later
[14:13:25] <Loetmichel> just lately changet the little meters for the computers at a ISP.
[14:13:27] <witnit> touching&*
[14:13:40] <Loetmichel> ... live, to avoud downtime for the customers ;-)
[14:14:05] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=13992
[14:14:16] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=13989
[14:14:19] <witnit> seriously though when working high voltage if you keep that elbow on a panel the juice will short out there before passing your heart
[14:14:22] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=13986
[14:14:22] <witnit> to the ground
[14:14:48] <Loetmichel> the green lit things are the meters
[14:15:01] <archivist> hot wiring keeps you awake
[14:15:06] <Loetmichel> did about 80 of them in two days ;-)
[14:15:22] <Loetmichel> archivist: i concur ;-)
[14:16:18] <archivist> one works slowly, carefully and deliberately
[14:17:00] <witnit> I noticed usually the slowest people are the most efficient
[14:17:06] <Loetmichel> ... and checks EVERY step at least twice
[14:17:07] <witnit> they break less things and wreck far less parts
[14:17:50] <Loetmichel> if i made an error there (i.e bridging the outputs to the wrong phase for exampe) there would be a big bang.
[14:18:00] <Loetmichel> the panes were fused 3*63A ;-)
[14:18:06] <Loetmichel> panels
[14:18:09] <witnit> had a guy break 1 of the 6 spindles in my acme-gridley... he broke it in HALF
[14:18:50] <witnit> he indexed the machine without locking it up...
[14:18:58] <archivist> a special king of idiot?
[14:19:02] <witnit> terribly sounds came from inside
[14:19:06] <archivist> kind
[14:19:12] <witnit> king works too
[14:19:15] <Loetmichel> king fits also ;-)
[14:19:30] <archivist> with added tyop
[14:19:34] <witnit> ;)
[14:19:41] <witnit> you said it brother
[14:19:53] <XXCoder> lol
[14:20:25] <witnit> immmm be soo excited when my new card gets here
[14:20:45] <witnit> someone want to 3d print me some enclosures for my mesa cards?
[14:21:05] <XXCoder> f you got cnc as well as make em lol
[14:21:14] <witnit> my cncs are turning machines
[14:21:25] <XXCoder> ahh too bad lol
[14:22:02] <archivist> bandsaw and a bit of tin and make your own
[14:22:21] <witnit> yeah, I can I just wanted to give someone a project
[14:22:28] <XXCoder> nahhh wood. all awesome hacks has wood. ;)
[14:22:35] <Loetmichel> witnit: no driven tools?
[14:22:49] <witnit> what do you mean by driven tools?
[14:22:59] <Loetmichel> on the cnc lathes
[14:23:09] <witnit> no, just my automatics
[14:23:18] <witnit> I can tap and pick off an such
[14:23:25] <Loetmichel> so you can put a block of plastic in the chuck and "mill" on the lathe ;-)
[14:23:39] <witnit> haha these are not like that
[14:23:50] <witnit> these are like turret lathe
[14:23:54] <witnit> with barloader
[14:24:11] <Loetmichel> witnit: whats calles "langdreher" in german?
[14:24:54] <witnit> yeah I got 4 of those
[14:24:55] <witnit> :/
[14:24:56] <witnit> hahahah
[14:26:57] <witnit> Loetmichel: http://www.bchs.se/pics/indexb60.jpg
[14:27:37] <shaun416> so, cnc is better for production?
[14:27:48] <witnit> sometimes
[14:27:56] <witnit> depends on what you are producing
[14:28:06] <Loetmichel> wir: oh, the "older" category ;-)
[14:28:06] <shaun416> welll...
[14:28:08] <witnit> quantity means alot
[14:28:15] <shaun416> when would it be bennificial?
[14:29:23] <shaun416> .
[14:30:17] <witnit> your asking a totally wide open question
[14:30:22] <somenewguy_bu> man you guys have fun ways of getting hurt
[14:30:29] <shaun416> heh
[14:30:42] <witnit> it would be better for you to wiki cnc
[14:30:49] <witnit> then get back to us on that one
[14:30:51] <XXCoder> yeah like asking what is best way to get a to b without specificing where
[14:31:34] <witnit> every person in here would give you a different answer depending on their own personal situation. the root of it all is... automation
[14:32:07] <somenewguy_bu> witnit, you think those of us w/ 3d printers don't have projects already? lol
[14:32:08] <witnit> where can you see a benefit of automating something.
[14:32:16] <shaun416> well
[14:32:26] <shaun416> I was told if I went manual. i would make 5 and give up
[14:33:05] <witnit> ahah somenewguy_bu I know some of those machines are just sitting around too :)
[14:33:25] <Loetmichel> witnit: where are you?
[14:33:30] <witnit> indiana
[14:33:36] <witnit> usa
[14:33:37] <Loetmichel> i could make you some aluminium casings
[14:33:45] <Loetmichel> but the shipping would be cruel
[14:33:45] <witnit> oooohhh yeahh ? :)
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[14:33:53] <GuShH_> CRUEL
[14:34:12] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=14778
[14:34:16] <witnit> you from the land of werke?
[14:34:20] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=14595
[14:34:25] <somenewguy_bu> I've got a modest printer if your interested, am currently working on a cake topper but I am still waiting on files
[14:34:32] <GuShH_> shaun416: 5? that seems like an odd number
[14:34:34] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=13531
[14:34:36] <Loetmichel> like this
[14:34:40] <Loetmichel> yes, i am
[14:34:40] <shaun416> GuShH_, you said that
[14:34:41] <witnit> sooo pretty
[14:34:42] <shaun416> :p
[14:34:47] <GuShH_> I never said that!
[14:35:08] <shaun416> Hmmm@
[14:35:25] <witnit> well if you were not so far away we would talk about it
[14:35:27] <Loetmichel> or these: http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=14160
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[14:35:33] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=14217
[14:35:33] <XXCoder> wasnt it connor
[14:35:41] <witnit> oooh
[14:35:48] <witnit> they all nice
[14:36:02] <shaun416> so...
[14:36:07] <witnit> gimme dat fritz!
[14:36:08] <shaun416> what basic cnc lathe is good then...
[14:36:16] <GuShH_> my god shaun
[14:36:18] <GuShH_> let it go.
[14:36:19] <witnit> hahahaha
[14:36:23] <witnit> yes shaun...
[14:36:32] <witnit> you gotta lay off that same question
[14:36:36] <shaun416> :/
[14:36:41] <shaun416> its not the same.
[14:36:41] <Loetmichel> witnit: i tend to use too much screws...
[14:36:49] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=14247
[14:36:54] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=14250
[14:36:55] <GuShH_> Loetmichel: that's good, so when you lose one you are still sane enough
[14:36:55] <witnit> like 4 days of mehhh what lathe meehhhh
[14:37:01] * GuShH_ has lost a few marbles listening to shaun
[14:37:06] <shaun416> well now apparantly i need cnc
[14:37:18] <GuShH_> I think you don't know what you need or want...
[14:37:18] <witnit> ohhhh
[14:37:21] <GuShH_> that's the problem
[14:37:40] <XXCoder> yeah I dont know what I wanted either. I just went for it anyway
[14:37:45] <witnit> I like these they look well made but mine would need to be sealed as well a nice little window to show off my diagnostic lights
[14:37:48] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=14412 <- 144 m3*6 stainless screws ;-)
[14:38:01] <XXCoder> I'm currently making rough draft of my cnc design. its nothing special.
[14:38:04] <GuShH_> ok found another guy doing infill 70% (allegedly, since the 90% guy was full of bs, they were 30%)
[14:38:13] <witnit> ok yeah dood
[14:38:16] <witnit> enough screws
[14:38:18] <witnit> hahaha
[14:38:39] <GuShH_> witnit: fun fact about Loetmichel: he likes to take a bath with his laptop
[14:38:47] <witnit> go on..
[14:38:56] <witnit> =]
[14:38:58] <witnit> hahaha
[14:39:00] <witnit> j/k!
[14:39:10] <shaun416> so
[14:39:11] <Loetmichel> ... may be because the company i work for is making shielded IT tech for the military ;-)
[14:39:16] <shaun416> do you think I need a cnc lathe?
[14:39:24] <shaun416> or will a mnaul one form say LMS work?
[14:39:40] <GuShH_> LMS just resells china shit
[14:39:45] <witnit> hows that one term go..
[14:39:51] <Loetmichel> witnit: i can do sealed also ;)
[14:39:52] <witnit> oh right ... face-palm
[14:39:55] <GuShH_> except for some allegedly USA made aluminum QCTPs...
[14:40:01] <GuShH_> who wants aluminum QCTPs anyway
[14:40:10] <witnit> I like them Loet but you are too far away
[14:40:13] <GuShH_> Loetmichel: looks fantastic, and possibly expensive.
[14:40:24] <witnit> and your do too nice of a job
[14:40:46] <GuShH_> hopefully those were self tapping screws
[14:40:52] * GuShH_ shivers
[14:40:59] <Loetmichel> GuShH_: no
[14:41:04] <Loetmichel> mormal m3 screws
[14:41:09] <GuShH_> I couldn't even watch a CNC tap that many screws
[14:41:12] <witnit> I would not expect any german to ever use self tapping screws
[14:41:14] <GuShH_> let alone think about someone doing it manually
[14:41:14] <Loetmichel> but i tap with a battery screwdriver ;-)
[14:41:16] <GuShH_> specially M3
[14:41:30] <GuShH_> :/ M3x0.5 ? never broke one?
[14:41:34] <Loetmichel> no
[14:41:34] <witnit> this index machine I have, was built like the tiger tanks
[14:41:35] <GuShH_> I haven't, but they feel flimsy
[14:41:39] <GuShH_> so I'm always taking it easy
[14:41:43] <witnit> its a work of art
[14:41:47] <GuShH_> let's ee it
[14:42:17] <GuShH_> Loetmichel: I wonder... for servicing the screen, how many screws do you have to remove?
[14:42:19] <GuShH_> o.o
[14:42:27] <Loetmichel> GuShH_: ALL of them
[14:42:32] <GuShH_> FUCK NO
[14:42:44] <GuShH_> at least they're not rivets
[14:42:45] <GuShH_> haha
[14:42:59] <GuShH_> lcd screen meets boiler.
[14:43:22] <Loetmichel> i.e depends: the two boxes on the back hose the psu and the electronics, the front frame houses the display, the speakers and the keyboards to the menue
[14:43:39] <Loetmichel> house
[14:44:17] <Loetmichel> so if the panel is dead you need to remove about 90 screws, for each box on the back the half of the remains ;-)
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[14:45:04] <witnit> germans overengineer
[14:45:06] <GuShh_Lap2> I don't know man... I think it needs more screws.
[14:45:15] <witnit> bottom line
[14:45:15] <Loetmichel> witnit: no
[14:45:19] <Loetmichel> not overengineer
[14:45:20] <witnit> its in their bloooooooood
[14:45:40] <shaun416> GuShH_, is the best
[14:45:52] <witnit> yes overengineer, because the machines outlast the technology curve by 400%
[14:46:00] <Loetmichel> the distance between 2 screws cant exceed 30mm for EMI shielding reasons (slot antenna)
[14:46:01] <GuShh_Lap2> more screws? jawohl!
[14:46:24] <GuShh_Lap2> shaun416: am not
[14:46:29] <shaun416> Yes you are
[14:46:37] <Loetmichel> these systems are certified to not emit any EMI/data
[14:46:41] * GuShh_Lap2 gives shaun416 a hug and whispers IM REALLY NOT.
[14:46:49] <shaun416> Ok/
[14:46:52] <GuShh_Lap2> Loetmichel: any at all?
[14:47:13] <witnit> gushi, will help you find the right spindles ;)
[14:47:15] <GuShh_Lap2> you know it's possible to pick up the screen data from the EMI radiated from most LCDs
[14:47:18] <Loetmichel> below the enviromental white noise
[14:47:21] <GuShh_Lap2> in theory, across the room.
[14:47:34] <Loetmichel> not in theory, done that
[14:47:38] <Loetmichel> from 100m distance ;-)
[14:47:52] <GuShh_Lap2> 100 meters?
[14:48:00] <GuShh_Lap2> nah!
[14:48:03] <somenewguy_bu> anyone here using weechat?
[14:48:14] <GuShh_Lap2> I sometimes wee when I chat
[14:48:22] <Loetmichel> thats why in front of that 24" panel is a glass plate with a 0,01mm copper mesh
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[14:48:27] <Loetmichel> :-)
[14:48:32] <Loetmichel> 100 meters distance
[14:48:41] <Loetmichel> we have the tech to do that kind of thing
[14:48:46] <GuShh_Lap2> come on the amount of noise would be huge
[14:48:51] <somenewguy_bu> i do too, this is a PeeC
[14:48:59] <GuShh_Lap2> Pee and See
[14:48:59] <witnit> ok guys I just had a new idea
[14:49:00] <Loetmichel> and we are allowed to certify the equipment
[14:49:07] <witnit> I need opinions
[14:49:11] <shaun416> witnit, can you me honest
[14:49:24] <shaun416> is the littlemachineshop lathe the best I can get for my size and needs?
[14:49:31] <witnit> a piggy bank for people that you set a predetermined date before it will open
[14:49:45] <GuShh_Lap2> what
[14:50:00] * somenewguy_bu sees himself out
[14:50:05] <witnit> so they just set a timer, like a date/year
[14:50:11] <Loetmichel> GuShh_Lap2: and you dont want to know the prices of our tech ;.)
[14:50:12] <witnit> and it wont open untill then
[14:50:25] <witnit> so you cant get into to too soonm
[14:50:38] <GuShh_Lap2> Loetmichel: I certainly don't, now I'm scared you might be watching my pr0n from over there.
[14:50:39] <Loetmichel> for example: i am workiing the lat 4 weeks on a project to cover a crypto box and some backup stuff
[14:50:51] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=14769&g2_imageViewsIndex=1
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[14:50:59] <Loetmichel> ... and that will be only TWO boxes
[14:51:04] <GuShh_Lap2> by contract you shouldn't be allowed to talk about it let alone show it
[14:51:17] <Loetmichel> the customer will be "happy" when he gets the invoice ;-)
[14:51:27] <MrHindsight> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/m3d/the-micro-the-first-truly-consumer-3d-printer lots of suckers still left
[14:51:41] <GuShh_Lap2> why is there always sausage in german street names
[14:52:02] <shaun416> :/
[14:52:11] <shaun416> haha MrHindsight
[14:52:17] <XXCoder> 2.4 million out ogf 50k??
[14:52:21] <XXCoder> jeez who
[14:52:22] <GuShh_Lap2> you guys this isn't #reprap
[14:52:23] <XXCoder> whoa
[14:52:29] <shaun416> it isnbt GuShh_Lap2 ?
[14:52:30] <shaun416> Darn
[14:52:30] <MrHindsight> I think it goes back to the days where the streets were mainly paved in cured meats
[14:52:39] <GuShh_Lap2> XXCoder: good luck with the grubmint and your taxes
[14:52:43] <GuShh_Lap2> it's a shitstarter.
[14:52:49] <witnit> shaun416 honestly I wouldnt waste my money on it
[14:52:55] <shaun416> Oh..
[14:52:58] <MrHindsight> repcrap
[14:53:04] <somenewguy_bu> hot damn someone just made som bacnk on that one
[14:53:09] <shaun416> witnit, what would you get.,,
[14:53:14] <shaun416> please dont say something huge
[14:53:20] <shaun416> I can only fit 7x14 or so
[14:53:48] <witnit> I would get a job at a machine shop
[14:53:56] <shaun416> :/
[14:53:59] <shaun416> not what I asked
[14:54:11] <XXCoder> well
[14:54:13] <XXCoder> its free
[14:54:14] <GuShh_Lap2> somenewguy_bu: let's start our own shitstarter scam
[14:54:15] <XXCoder> and you learn
[14:54:26] <witnit> I already answered your question for the last three days the same way, I thought Id try something new
[14:54:28] <somenewguy_bu> promise them the world in the description
[14:54:33] <GuShh_Lap2> witnit: he claims to have access to the uni or school machine shop but he doesn't ever use the machines...
[14:54:42] <somenewguy_bu> promise them trinkets as rewards for expensive funding
[14:54:44] <somenewguy_bu> there is no step 3
[14:54:46] <somenewguy_bu> profit
[14:54:47] <GuShh_Lap2> somenewguy_bu: two worlds and a hooker.
[14:55:18] <GuShh_Lap2> LASER SIGNED BY THE TEAM
[14:55:22] <GuShh_Lap2> ........................
[14:55:24] <witnit> shaun
[14:55:27] <shaun416> witnit
[14:55:34] <GuShh_Lap2> this is retarded. how come nobody shuts these clowns down?
[14:55:41] <witnit> do you have an extra pc laying around and a couple floppy drives?
[14:55:47] <MrHindsight> http://www.3ders.org/articles/20140411-light-directed-epd-a-new-3d-printing-technique-with-nanoparticles.html
[14:55:50] <shaun416> sure do
[14:55:51] <shaun416> a few
[14:56:06] <witnit> do you have a webcam laying around?
[14:56:09] <shaun416> no
[14:56:13] <shaun416> could get one
[14:56:27] <XXCoder> shaun416: get cncsimulator
[14:56:31] <XXCoder> its like free machine
[14:56:32] <shaun416> :/
[14:56:40] <witnit> well why dont you get one of those extra computers rip apart a couple floppy drives and control them with your computer
[14:56:45] <XXCoder> only takes 0"x0" space in your garage
[14:56:53] <XXCoder> or workspace whatever
[14:57:05] <GuShh_Lap2> mom's closet
[14:57:18] <shaun416> witnit, ....why
[14:57:21] <witnit> make the little stepper motors go back and forth
[14:57:27] <shaun416> ...
[14:57:34] <witnit> try that awhile
[14:57:37] <shaun416> what is the point of this
[14:57:39] <XXCoder> yeah I did see someone make cnc with 3 scanner
[14:57:44] <XXCoder> scanners
[14:57:51] <witnit> well, your in a CNC chat room
[14:57:55] <shaun416> Ive made cnc machines before
[14:57:56] <XXCoder> they are extremely precise and free basically
[14:58:08] <shaun416> 3d printers are technically CNC
[14:58:13] <witnit> yeah
[14:58:15] <GuShh_Lap2> you just put together kits, shaun.
[14:58:17] <witnit> learn with that
[14:58:20] <witnit> build things
[14:58:20] <XXCoder> cnc = computer number control
[14:58:21] <somenewguy_bu> 4 axis CNC
[14:58:24] <witnit> start there
[14:58:24] <shaun416> no i didnt GuShh_Lap2
[14:58:25] <XXCoder> it includes cnc lathes
[14:58:28] <somenewguy_bu> 5 if you count time
[14:58:28] <GuShh_Lap2> you did.
[14:58:30] <shaun416> My first one is made from plywood
[14:58:31] <shaun416> Lol
[14:58:38] <witnit> then when you know what you want, the lathe you need will present its self
[14:58:49] <XXCoder> heh mine will be made from high quality plywood I found in trash
[14:58:55] <MrHindsight> 3d printera are not just crappy FDM toyd
[14:58:59] <MrHindsight> toys
[14:59:07] <shaun416> yes they are :p
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[14:59:55] <Loetmichel> i am waiting for the day that someone cuts that troll of the internet
[15:00:01] <Loetmichel> wont be long now ;-)
[15:00:03] <witnit> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s9IdZ2pI5dA
[15:00:06] <MrHindsight> it's sad how 3d printer has been hijacked by crappy repraps
[15:00:19] <shaun416> they arent crappy...
[15:00:22] <somenewguy_bu> I have a few, they are awesome, but I just farmed out some work to a laser cured resin shop, oooooh dear do I need one of those now
[15:00:40] <XXCoder> heh I do want 3d printer but not yet
[15:00:40] <MrHindsight> most people tend to think that 3d printing now is joke toy FDM printing
[15:00:51] <somenewguy_bu> thats cause ppl are dumb
[15:00:56] <shaun416> ^
[15:01:01] <shaun416> fdm is a hobby
[15:01:07] <GuShH_> they ARE actually mostly printing dildos and useless crap.
[15:01:13] <shaun416> genadong
[15:01:17] <somenewguy_bu> fdm is an entrydrug
[15:01:18] <GuShH_> either that or they are selling parts
[15:01:31] <MrHindsight> even FDM has it uses, but repcrap just uses it to print Yoda heads
[15:01:32] <shaun416> yep
[15:01:42] <GuShH_> they make farms to "produce" the parts instead of friggin injecting the parts for cents a pop
[15:01:44] <shaun416> heh
[15:01:47] <GuShH_> heavily retarded.
[15:01:48] <somenewguy_bu> hey I'm makeing a cake topper for a wedding w/ a FDM printer, so yeah
[15:01:49] <shaun416> alot use it for rc stuff
[15:01:51] <XXCoder> if I ever made printer I'd make unprinter too
[15:01:52] <shaun416> making quadcopters
[15:01:55] <XXCoder> and spool creator
[15:02:08] <XXCoder> 3 machines mean I can unprint whenever I dont want yoda head anymore lol
[15:02:23] <somenewguy_bu> up untilll about 18months ago, the FDM tech that repraps are using was wayyy to immature to justify the expense of tooling up for injexted parts, stuff was still in developement and I think every knew that
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[15:03:00] <GuShH_> ...
[15:03:22] <somenewguy_bu> now you can say yeah its worht investing nad just injection molding the working parts
[15:03:24] <shaun416> :/
[15:03:31] <XXCoder> witnit: nice video
[15:03:38] <somenewguy_bu> extruders still ahve room to grow, but the basic layout of machiens atleast works well finally
[15:03:42] <witnit> wave of the future man
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[15:03:52] <MrHindsight> #reprap has an interesting sociology that has a demonstrable temporary "idiocy" effect on its frequent visitors
[15:03:59] <witnit> and people like you and I are going to be building them in our garages
[15:04:25] <somenewguy_bu> yeah, i don't frequent it enought o konow when I should actually be listening to someones bright idea, and when to ignore them
[15:04:34] <somenewguy_bu> you gotta know the smart flolks from the armchair engineers lol
[15:04:36] <shaun416> always ignore
[15:04:40] <somenewguy_bu> and there are alllloott of them
[15:04:55] <somenewguy_bu> there are a couple very bright voices in there, but they are never hte loudest...
[15:04:59] <MrHindsight> you can print molds for injection molding much better and faster using SLA/DLP or inkjet
[15:05:01] <shaun416> half the people tere dont have printers.
[15:05:18] <witnit> http://www.ebay.com/itm/HUGE-Vintage-Watchmaker-Jewelers-Lathe-Tools-Parts-Accessories-Estate-Find-/271445937716?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3f33704e34
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[15:05:34] <shaun416> Oh i so want to get itno watchmaking
[15:05:35] <somenewguy_bu> wait, shaun, aren't you a troll over there?
[15:05:50] <shaun416> I dont troll anywhere tbh
[15:05:54] <witnit> I dont know enough about these to make such purchase but someone may be looking
[15:05:55] <shaun416> people think I do...
[15:06:03] <XXCoder> heh one of ponental projects for me with my cnc is making wood clock
[15:06:13] <witnit> he just has veryt trollike traits
[15:06:22] <witnit> but hes sincerely just like that
[15:06:23] <witnit> :P
[15:06:29] <XXCoder> indecidability does look like trolling
[15:06:37] <somenewguy_bu> hahaha
[15:06:38] <GuShH_> witnit: soooo what lathe should I get
[15:06:40] <GuShH_> witnit: what lathe
[15:06:43] <GuShH_> witnit: lathe, which one
[15:06:44] <XXCoder> I'm far more gung-ho on making decisions
[15:06:52] <shaun416> :/ GuShH_
[15:06:52] <XXCoder> ldr helped me make decisions hella faster
[15:07:09] <witnit> hey we are just keeping honest with you
[15:07:17] <somenewguy_bu> speaking of making decisions, can anyone explain to me why I thought making a square frame out of 304 square tubing was a good idea?
[15:07:21] <shaun416> I just want to make the absolute best decision
[15:07:24] <somenewguy_bu> warping is a BIIIITCH
[15:07:25] <shaun416> its ALOT of money
[15:07:34] <somenewguy_bu> i'm here hiding from the welder tbh, this sucks
[15:07:41] <XXCoder> shaun416: life is a gamble. always.
[15:07:51] <shaun416> hm
[15:07:51] <GuShH_> lean to fart, always.
[15:07:58] <XXCoder> I'm taking months to save up for minor $160 order
[15:08:03] <somenewguy_bu> unless you are wondering "is this gonna hurt?" cuase the answer is always yes
[15:08:05] <GuShH_> somenewguy_bu: did you tack first?
[15:08:11] <XXCoder> risk is hella larger for me, but why not?
[15:08:15] <somenewguy_bu> only tackin, have yet to even attempt a full bead
[15:08:29] <GuShH_> tack, fit, short welds (outside, inside), fit... then finally weld a bit on one end, go to the other, etc.
[15:08:37] <somenewguy_bu> I've been mig welding for ever, tig is new to me tho
[15:08:51] <somenewguy_bu> ok when you say outside inside, which side?
[15:08:54] <GuShH_> what is the frame for
[15:08:58] <somenewguy_bu> like iniside and outside the angle right/
[15:09:01] <witnit> tig is wonnnderful
[15:09:02] <GuShH_> inner weld, outer weld
[15:09:04] <somenewguy_bu> a robot, so it has to be pretty square
[15:09:05] * shaun416 sighs
[15:09:18] * GuShH_ tacks shaun416 to the roof
[15:09:22] <somenewguy_bu> its a flat square frame w/ butted up ends, not mitered
[15:09:36] <GuShH_> helps to have a strong jig
[15:09:45] <witnit> somenewguy_bu have you ever used a sewing machine?
[15:09:51] <somenewguy_bu> yeah I need to invest in a welding table
[15:09:57] <GuShH_> quite honest those magnetic cheap squares are good enough for most things, as long as you keep everything clamped down
[15:10:01] <somenewguy_bu> witnit, yes, have a 1920s pedal machine i use from time to time
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[15:10:14] <witnit> well thats not the kind I was hoping you would say
[15:10:15] <somenewguy_bu> GuShH_: those things changed my life, but today I am working w/ non-magnetic stainless...
[15:10:19] <GuShH_> witnit: which sewing machine to get?
[15:10:24] <GuShH_> witnit: which one
[15:10:27] <witnit> hahahahah
[15:10:46] <witnit> I learned to tig on 16th wall aluminum
[15:10:50] <GuShH_> oh I didn't read you said 304
[15:10:55] <shaun416> witnit,
[15:10:57] <GuShH_> I hate machining 304... never welded it
[15:11:03] <somenewguy_bu> I should have built adjustability into the frame for this thing. If don't get it square, the rover won't track straight
[15:11:04] <shaun416> you never told me what to get :p
[15:11:14] <shaun416> 7x16 max size
[15:11:31] <GuShH_> somenewguy_bu: which is to say, you would have made a gay rover.
[15:11:39] <witnit> somebody buy this
[15:11:43] <witnit> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Benzinger-UD2-Jewelers-Lathe-/351026845720?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item51bad49818
[15:11:45] <witnit> not you sean
[15:11:46] <GuShH_> haaaw
[15:11:49] <somenewguy_bu> I have a slab of granite for flat clamping to, but that means I can't tack to it to keep things in place
[15:11:49] <shaun416> why not me
[15:11:52] <witnit> cailfornia
[15:12:02] <shaun416> Oh
[15:12:04] <somenewguy_bu> my steel tables are all warped to hell nad I have yet to get lucky at the scrap yard for some plate
[15:12:17] <XXCoder> million miles for me. which is to say, over 2k miles lol
[15:12:20] <GuShH_> some thick glass could work, it's way cheaper than the granite
[15:12:30] <XXCoder> my car'd probably break down 3 times lol
[15:12:40] <somenewguy_bu> got it for free, foudn it in the wall of the work shop lol, someone lost it there, its like 4ft x 3
[15:12:46] <GuShH_> assuming it started to begin with
[15:12:48] <somenewguy_bu> just had to scrape all the epoxy off it
[15:13:02] <somenewguy_bu> also dosn't shatter when you tighten down the clamps
[15:13:03] <shaun416> hm
[15:13:08] <XXCoder> you can always cast a alum slab loil
[15:13:15] <XXCoder> use piles of beer cans ;)
[15:13:16] <shaun416> what about the microlux lathe?
[15:13:30] <GuShH_> but it wasn't a surface plate then
[15:13:41] <GuShH_> anyone who slabs expoy onto a real surface plate should get shot or worse.
[15:13:50] <XXCoder> lol yeah, was kidding
[15:13:53] <GuShH_> possibly skinned alive first.
[15:14:23] <XXCoder> glass casting might work though if you got kiln large enough.
[15:14:23] <GuShH_> a cheap surface plate here runs for 2k with an expired certification...
[15:14:27] <MrHindsight> GuShH_: how else do you glue them to a reprap?
[15:14:30] <GuShH_> used, obviously
[15:14:31] <XXCoder> PLENTY of glass scrap
[15:14:34] <GuShH_> haha
[15:14:49] <GuShH_> XXCoder: did you see that solar printer?
[15:14:54] <GuShH_> melts sand.
[15:15:14] <XXCoder> HMM I recall reading about it a sec
[15:15:25] <GuShH_> there's a video
[15:15:39] <XXCoder> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ptUj8JRAYu8
[15:15:49] <MrHindsight> what is the weather supposed to be like today? I'm going out
[15:16:04] <XXCoder> I say heavy storms and ligtining, mr
[15:16:34] <MrHindsight> sure beats -10 and snow, bbl
[15:16:58] <XXCoder> -10f heavy storm and lighting. ;)
[15:17:36] <MrHindsight> that would be worth experiencing
[15:17:55] <XXCoder> design is pretty good there gush. deals with sand which is very damaging
[15:19:05] <somenewguy_bu> no it wasn't a real surface plate, was a cutoff from doing a table counter or somethign
[15:19:29] <somenewguy_bu> they were probably just working on top of it polyerothane or something, couldn't quite tell what I was scraping off
[15:20:04] <somenewguy_bu> I saw cheap surface plates for, well, suprisingly cheap. I always thought they were way out of my price range, but I may need to buy one for my engine building hobbys
[15:20:22] <somenewguy_bu> 800-2k was what I would have expected
[15:20:54] <_methods> shit i just saw 3 96"x40"x6" surface plates go for $125 each
[15:21:04] <XXCoder> http://www.markuskayser.com/
[15:21:29] <GuShH_> somenewguy_bu: sure in the US you could buy one from HF maybe... but that's just cheap ass shit granite
[15:21:29] <_methods> auction is teh place to get surface plates
[15:21:38] <_methods> they usually go for cheap
[15:21:47] <shaun416> you guys really think im better off buyinf something 50 years old?
[15:21:48] <GuShH_> with half a corner missing? :P
[15:22:06] <XXCoder> is granite still better than just metal surface or something lol
[15:22:18] <witnit> headstones work great!
[15:22:18] <somenewguy_bu> 18x12 grade b from mcmaster for 150
[15:22:26] <witnit> ... shouldnt have said that...
[15:22:28] <witnit> :P
[15:22:48] <somenewguy_bu> they don't warp as easy
[15:23:18] <XXCoder> I had to lol at that solar 3d printer "office"
[15:23:29] <XXCoder> guy had to have protection from sun though
[15:24:11] <shaun413> Hmmm
[15:24:41] <shaun413> Would an old 7x14 be good?
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[15:25:38] <somenewguy_bu> for me, my minimum size would be whatever a standarad sheet of sand paper is, so thats probably a lil small
[15:26:22] <somenewguy_bu> _methods: shipping 100 each on those?
[15:26:24] <GuShH_> I want one big enough so I can sleep on it!
[15:26:54] <GuShH_> shaun413: let's see it
[15:26:58] <shaun416> sandpaper is 14 inches long???
[15:27:05] <shaun416> well
[15:27:07] <shaun416> ...
[15:27:23] <somenewguy_bu> 11x8.5 iirc
[15:27:38] <somenewguy_bu> or 10x5,
[15:27:44] <somenewguy_bu> or any other number i make up in the next 20 seconds
[15:27:54] <GuShH_> I'm not going to measure one for you.
[15:28:12] <somenewguy_bu> lmgtfy, but no
[15:30:07] <shaun416> soo...
[15:31:05] <witnit> anyone get sore feet or have a drafy house, a heating pad under the computer desk is magic
[15:31:45] <witnit> http://cdn.sheknows.com/filter/l/gallery/usb_coffee_warmer.jpg
[15:31:47] <witnit> and this
[15:31:55] <witnit> then you are ready to cnc
[15:33:02] <shaun416> https://littlemachineshop.com/3536
[15:33:09] <shaun416> heres an 8.5x16
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[15:34:24] <GuShH_> "hitorque" lawl
[15:34:52] <GuShH_> find something used... LMS resells...
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[15:37:01] <shaun416> hmm?
[15:37:03] <shaun416> not good?
[15:37:27] <GuShH_> you are blindly looking at new toys without even knowing what you need or want
[15:37:28] <jdh> LMS specs better chinese junk
[15:37:34] <shaun416> yeah
[15:37:42] <shaun416> more hp
[15:37:50] <shaun416> autofeed
[15:38:00] <witnit> less china/taiwan
[15:38:08] <shaun416> sherline is uas...
[15:38:10] <shaun416> usa
[15:38:10] <jdh> they all have feed/threading
[15:38:20] <shaun416> not sherline
[15:38:21] <shaun416> :p
[15:38:36] <jdh> all the chinese ones sold by the various importers
[15:38:48] <shaun416> microlux also looks semi decent
[15:39:01] <GuShH_> shitline
[15:39:05] <shaun416> http://www.micromark.com/microlux-7x16-mini-lathe,9615.html
[15:39:51] <jdh> http://www.mini-lathe.com/
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[15:40:47] <shaun416> hmm
[15:40:59] <witnit> http://www.ebay.com/itm/MACHINIST-TOOLS-LATHE-MILL-Mini-Micro-Machinist-Bench-Top-Lathe-/171275675262?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item27e0d3667e
[15:41:06] <witnit> just buy that and shutup
[15:41:20] <witnit> its close
[15:41:27] <witnit> gigigigi is cool seller
[15:41:41] <shaun416> Oh lord
[15:41:44] <shaun416> that looks....
[15:41:49] <GuShH_> gigi girl
[15:41:52] <jdh> what is it you want to make with this?
[15:41:56] <GuShH_> giggity giggity!!
[15:42:01] <shaun416> 3d printer hotends
[15:42:04] <witnit> the chuck on that thing is worth more than every lathe you showed me
[15:42:10] <shaun416> and parts for my electronics kits
[15:42:53] <jmasseo> that's a pretty good price
[15:43:00] <jmasseo> and it looks like it's in pretty good shape
[15:43:11] <witnit> jacobs drill chuck and solid head with nice pulley
[15:43:18] <witnit> parts alone can resell for 200 flat
[15:43:19] <shaun416> heh
[15:43:22] <jmasseo> it's well built.
[15:43:31] <shaun416> whta brand is it
[15:43:48] <jmasseo> i have no idea
[15:43:48] <witnit> make off 180 tell her your a kid and learning
[15:43:52] <jmasseo> the seller does not even know if it works
[15:43:54] <GuShH_> she's got other things you might want... http://www.ebay.com/itm/MACHINIST-LATHE-MILL-Dumont-Minute-Man-NEW-Lathe-Cutters-Bits-Tool-Post-Full-Box-/191129572146?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2c8035d332
[15:44:10] <jmasseo> from the pics it looks mechanically sound
[15:44:12] <GuShH_> http://www.ebay.com/itm/MACHINIST-LATHE-MILL-NICE-Clean-Lantern-Rocker-Tool-Post-for-South-Bend-Atlas-m-/191132769970?pt=BI_Tool_Work_Holding&hash=item2c80669eb2
[15:44:14] <jmasseo> but you never know until you spin the wheels
[15:44:15] <witnit> she will probably throw in some tools that fin the in tool post and maybe some centers or something
[15:44:21] <GuShH_> http://www.ebay.com/itm/MACHINIST-LATHE-MILL-Ultra-Werk-Heavy-Ground-Hardened-Bevel-Machinist-Square-PB-/191130741813?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2c8047ac35
[15:44:42] <GuShH_> buy it all.
[15:44:55] <shaun416> hmmm
[15:45:02] <shaun416> idk
[15:45:13] <shaun416> seems junky
[15:45:20] * GuShH_ walks away
[15:45:21] <shaun416> just look at it...
[15:45:25] <witnit> SMH
[15:45:36] <shaun416> I get where you are comming from
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[15:45:41] <shaun416> but, theres noinfo about it
[15:45:44] <shaun416> what brand is it?
[15:45:47] <shaun416> does it work?
[15:45:59] <witnit> looks like a homebrew
[15:46:09] <shaun416> hmm
[15:46:17] <GuShH_> if it said some american shit like "RIGDIG ULTRA 9402 ELITE" you'd be running toward it
[15:46:27] <witnit> yeah lul
[15:46:39] <GuShH_> what's that shit brand, ridgid
[15:46:46] <MrHindsight> shaun413: by 3D printer hotend did you mean FDM gear pump and nozzle? If you come across a good one please let me know about it
[15:46:47] <GuShH_> plays with "rigid" so people think their china shit is good
[15:46:50] <archivist> make offer 5 dolla
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[15:47:44] <shaun416> MrHindsight, yes
[15:47:47] <XXCoder> chucks so far is around $300 or so
[15:47:57] <XXCoder> 8in ones
[15:48:06] <GuShH_> I'm trying to get a used jacobs for dirt cheap...
[15:48:07] <shaun416> what do you mean by gear pump?
[15:48:24] <GuShH_> and some keyless german chuck
[15:48:25] <XXCoder> so yeah that chuck alone is worth buy apparently. depend on how well it cleans
[15:48:30] <witnit> I see one very shiney lathe three stepper motors and 3 linear rails away from a sweet little cnc
[15:48:50] <GuShH_> witnit: he doesn't want to listen...
[15:48:52] <witnit> just go to ebay and look up "jacobs chuck"
[15:49:06] <shaun416> hm
[15:49:10] <GuShH_> the one I'm after sells for 25 bucks in the US...
[15:49:11] <shaun416> ok
[15:49:11] <witnit> and the google, "three jaw chuck"
[15:49:14] <GuShH_> used
[15:49:17] <witnit> and look for one made in usa
[15:49:19] <witnit> USED
[15:49:25] <witnit> lol you will see what we mean
[15:49:36] <GuShH_> look for a good live center
[15:49:37] <XXCoder> makes me wonder how exactly hard it is to make a chuck lol
[15:49:48] <GuShH_> it takes quite some machining and materials...
[15:49:52] <GuShH_> specially to make a GOOD chuck
[15:49:55] <witnit> not bad if you can handle the hardnening
[15:50:02] <GuShH_> they're not in high demand, so prices aren't low
[15:50:18] <shaun416> witnit, I know
[15:50:21] <shaun416> cast iron is good
[15:50:43] <shaun416> but all the old lathes seem too big,
[15:50:47] <shaun416> this one im weary about
[15:52:06] <GuShH_> go see it and decide on the spot
[15:52:17] <GuShH_> make her an offer for EVERYTHING
[15:52:18] <shaun416> Idk anything about them
[15:52:26] <shaun416> I couldnt make a good decision
[15:52:32] <GuShH_> sigh
[15:52:56] <witnit> something about leading a horse to water
[15:53:03] <witnit> anyone know that story?
[15:53:06] <shaun416> yes
[15:53:31] <CaptHindsight> shaun413, http://www.dynisco.com/gear-pump-extrusion http://www.xaloy.com/Product-Standard-Melt-Pumps
[15:53:32] <shaun416> tbh
[15:53:33] <GuShH_> actually I can make it drink the water.
[15:53:39] <shaun416> Id like to look for something brand name
[15:53:40] <GuShH_> shoot it, falls into the water, drinks it.
[15:53:44] <archivist> a couple of brick to make it drink
[15:53:47] <shaun416> that I can get support for
[15:53:48] <witnit> if you remove the rust and decide you dont like it, you can resell it all and get most of it back if not more.
[15:54:02] <GuShH_> you don't even know brands, shaun416.
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[15:54:06] <witnit> and you will have a damned clue as to to whats going on
[15:54:09] <shaun416> thanks CaptHindsight
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[15:54:36] <GuShH_> witnit: he wants a magical brand spanking new cnc lathe for under 1k and he wants it nao.
[15:54:37] <XXCoder> Guys check this out https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/53432577/CncRoughDraft.png
[15:54:37] <shaun416> why dont people use melt pumps in 3dp...
[15:54:45] <shaun416> GuShH_, No
[15:54:46] <XXCoder> just rough draft see how well it goes together
[15:54:54] <shaun416> I like old things, id love to do a little restoration
[15:54:55] <XXCoder> it looks decent to me but...
[15:54:55] <GuShH_> then go try that one out
[15:55:08] <witnit> that lathe will be sold in a weel
[15:55:10] <witnit> week
[15:55:16] <shaun416> hm
[15:55:22] <CaptHindsight> by "new" does he mean old and needs repair?
[15:55:53] <GuShH_> he wants it in perfect running condition, calibrated
[15:55:58] <GuShH_> with a chest full of tools.
[15:56:01] <shaun416> No i dont
[15:56:03] <GuShH_> and an operator.
[15:56:05] <archivist> and wet nurse support
[15:56:15] <GuShH_> a container full of stock just waiting to get turned.
[15:56:27] <archivist> and a pile of orders
[15:56:27] <shaun416> heh
[15:56:42] <XXCoder> so, any probles spotted with my draft design? lol
[15:56:42] <GuShH_> with phones that answer themselves.
[15:56:59] <XXCoder> and giant warehouse type room in closet
[15:57:04] <shaun416> hmmm
[15:57:16] <GuShH_> it doesn't look very mechanic, what are these blocks? aluminum?
[15:57:26] <GuShH_> that's going to cost!
[15:57:43] <XXCoder> gush its rough draft to get idea of design. it'll probably be wood box
[15:57:54] <GuShH_> XXCoder: machinist's narnia
[15:57:55] <XXCoder> rest being food plywood
[15:58:06] <XXCoder> GuShH_: time lord tech
[15:58:12] <XXCoder> *good
[15:58:19] <GuShH_> haha
[15:58:23] <CaptHindsight> XXCoder, whats wrong with that design?
[15:58:33] <GuShH_> does it also work for his man-thing?
[15:58:50] <witnit> Im thinking your uprights may need some sort of a crossmember of you will find you will have to run your ?X axis slower than y
[15:58:52] <XXCoder> CaptHindsight: dunno thats why I linked a pic, see if see any issues (besides Z being too short I think)
[15:59:12] <witnit> or it may try to flex
[15:59:25] <CaptHindsight> XXCoder, what are you going to do with it? what types of leads will it see?
[15:59:31] <GuShH_> shaun416: maybe that lathe chick is hawt
[15:59:32] <CaptHindsight> leads/loads
[15:59:39] <GuShH_> wink wink
[15:59:40] <shaun416> ...
[15:59:48] <XXCoder> I'm trying for any wood and maybe light alum
[16:00:13] <witnit> curling maple with rosewood inlay?
[16:00:30] <GuShH_> shaun416: chances are her dad passed away and she wants to get rid of the stuff
[16:00:31] <CaptHindsight> the gantry just needs a front crossmember to stiffen it
[16:00:39] <shaun416> I see
[16:00:41] <GuShH_> either that or she took over the place and murdered the old guy living in there.
[16:00:46] <shaun416> ok
[16:01:03] <XXCoder> not too sure how to add that and not have moving part of Z hit it
[16:01:28] <GuShH_> she's got lots of goodies
[16:01:36] <shaun416> should I get a mill instead?
[16:01:44] <GuShH_> you wouldn't know which mill to get.
[16:02:22] <XXCoder> would positions of sbr16 work?
[16:02:45] <XXCoder> imho its nice to place em under workarea so dirt and dust such dont get on em
[16:02:45] <CaptHindsight> XXCoder, http://imagebin.org/303725
[16:02:57] <shaun416> no i wouldnt GuShH_
[16:03:05] <XXCoder> ahh front mounbt with sides being offset back
[16:04:09] <GuShH_> maybe shes an auction slut.
[16:04:16] <shaun416> :/
[16:04:17] <GuShH_> http://www.ebay.com/itm/MACHINIST-TOOLS-LATHE-MILL-Atlas-Metal-Lathe-TH-52-for-Machinist-/171285948903?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item27e17029e7
[16:04:33] <GuShH_> http://www.ebay.com/itm/MACHINIST-TOOLS-LATHE-MILL-9-South-Bend-Model-A-Lathe-42-Long-/191108817668?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2c7ef92304
[16:04:52] <XXCoder> last one is pretty damn long
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[16:04:59] <GuShH_> wink wink
[16:05:04] <XXCoder> indeed
[16:05:09] <Deejay> re
[16:05:09] <GuShH_> light years ahead of what he wants to buy
[16:05:28] <XXCoder> oh CaptHindsight hows rebuild so far
[16:05:32] <witnit> he would lose the fingers on his left hand
[16:05:43] <GuShH_> I need to get off my arse and make some space at the garage for a knee mill
[16:05:47] <GuShH_> but it's not as simple as it sounds!
[16:05:52] <witnit> yeaahhhh hgushi!
[16:05:55] <witnit> pictures!
[16:05:58] <witnit> please
[16:06:00] <witnit> :)
[16:06:02] <GuShH_> no I haven't got it yet
[16:06:09] <witnit> yes but when you do
[16:06:09] <GuShH_> because I don't have the place for it
[16:06:12] <CaptHindsight> XXCoder, delivered it earlier this week
[16:06:12] <GuShH_> I will
[16:06:19] <GuShH_> two options, same model but different conditions
[16:06:19] <XXCoder> awesome, nice work
[16:06:48] <XXCoder> I wonder if using metal braces would make it stiff enough. I probably will move gantry front though
[16:07:15] <GuShH_> one was left to rot in a warehouse, full of surface rust, but looks complete. however it might have seen a lot more work, the other is at a small shop, no rust... currently in use, but the power feed is missing a few parts.
[16:07:22] <witnit> it just appears to be a bit tall for that thinkess of uof upright
[16:07:24] <shaun416> http://cnj.craigslist.org/tls/4414444761.html
[16:07:33] <witnit> it probably really depends on how hard you want to push it ultimately
[16:07:39] <GuShH_> shaunslist.org
[16:07:49] <GuShH_> ohh that's beautiful
[16:08:11] <GuShH_> 600 bucks and it's mine I mean yours. don't be a sucker it might be worth 850 but he ain't getting 850.
[16:08:38] <shaun416> http://cnj.craigslist.org/tls/4404488039.html
[16:08:39] <GuShH_> that bed looks intact, odd.
[16:08:39] <shaun416> WOAH
[16:08:54] <CaptHindsight> XXCoder, the thicker is generally the better
[16:08:56] <GuShH_> that's tiny for a shop lathe
[16:09:01] <witnit> yeah under 1400 is reallllly hard to find a good buy
[16:09:04] <GuShH_> it's actually lightweight
[16:09:12] <CaptHindsight> XXCoder, tools steel vs aluminum alloy
[16:09:28] <XXCoder> Ok. I can always double up on plywood
[16:09:33] <XXCoder> some places anyway
[16:09:39] <witnit> thats a good buy
[16:09:48] <shaun416> ?
[16:09:50] <witnit> it would get alot of guys buy on the farm
[16:09:53] <CaptHindsight> XXCoder, is that plywood?
[16:09:56] <witnit> the leblond
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[16:10:11] <shaun416> its nice
[16:10:12] <GuShH_> they buy on auction and resell
[16:10:17] <XXCoder> the worksurface, entire gantry not of metal yes
[16:10:21] <GuShH_> the mill I'm looking at was bought dirt cheap at auction
[16:10:28] <GuShH_> now they are reselling it for top dollar, but in bad condition
[16:10:30] <GuShH_> machine whores.
[16:10:57] <witnit> if you just spend 1200 you can buy some realllllly nice stuff complete machines with tooling
[16:11:19] <CaptHindsight> XXCoder, what are you going to do with it? cut thin wood laminates?
[16:11:22] <witnit> but under 900 its like... everyone is in the same boat you are
[16:11:44] <GuShH_> shaun416: just get one of these http://mla-s1-p.mlstatic.com/espectacular-torno--4115-MLA145750867_7556-F.jpg
[16:11:58] <XXCoder> CaptHindsight: various wood, it's just to learn stuff really. it will evenually be stripped to build 8020 cnc
[16:12:00] <shaun416> ...
[16:12:22] <GuShH_> the toolpost is the size of a human torso on that thing.
[16:12:40] <XXCoder> oh I reconize a problem with design now. sbr16 blocks bolts would be on way on sbr16 bolt on
[16:12:44] <CaptHindsight> XXCoder, you'l see as you build and use it where it flexes
[16:12:53] <shaun416> http://allentown.craigslist.org/tls/4416179438.html
[16:12:54] <shaun416> hmmm
[16:13:08] <GuShH_> no norton gearbox
[16:13:15] <GuShH_> older
[16:13:18] <shaun416> ah
[16:13:21] <GuShH_> the previous links were much better
[16:13:25] <GuShH_> you want a quick change gearbox
[16:13:28] <CaptHindsight> nice lathe for $675
[16:13:28] <XXCoder> dammit sketchup dont have unselect undo
[16:13:37] <GuShH_> hopefully not flat belt, but they're ok
[16:14:05] <GuShH_> lots of goodies with that one though
[16:14:34] <GuShH_> jacobs chuck, another 3 jaw, some dogs, holders, dead centers.. faceplate
[16:14:43] <GuShH_> not all the gears it seems though
[16:15:16] <GuShH_> shaun416: you might also want a drill press aside from the mill and the lathe... and a belt sander... and a bench grinder... and...
[16:15:16] <CaptHindsight> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Chevalier-Mod-FCL-1840A-18-x40-2-Axis-CNC-Teach-Manual-Lathe-/251498499374?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3a8e7a8d2e look what you get for only $900 more
[16:15:27] <shaun416> hmmmmmm
[16:15:40] <GuShH_> I would so buy that.
[16:15:47] <GuShH_> Put it next to bed.
[16:16:12] <XXCoder> he'd need time lord tech to fit that in his apt, capt.
[16:16:36] <GuShH_> up to now the lathes were OK size
[16:16:38] <GuShH_> they were bench lathes.
[16:16:50] <GuShH_> but you couldn't lift them yourself shaun.
[16:17:13] <GuShH_> the up side is that you can put one of those sherlines between centers and rape it.
[16:17:18] <CaptHindsight> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Shop-Fox-9-x-19-Bench-Top-Metal-Lathe-M1049-New-in-Crate-/400688630740?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item5d4ae74bd4 not the greatest but new for <$1200
[16:17:49] <XXCoder> thats hella good lathe I think
[16:17:55] <shaun416> hmm
[16:18:02] <shaun416> this will not be cheap
[16:18:06] <GuShH_> they're ok.. I would take the old iron though
[16:18:20] <GuShH_> (I have the biggest one of those)
[16:18:45] <shaun416> maybe its time to give up
[16:19:01] * GuShH_ hands shaun416 the drugs
[16:19:07] <shaun416> ;(
[16:19:34] <GuShH_> still hopefully you can see 700 bucks for a sherline is a ripoff for what it is.
[16:19:49] <shaun416> i agree
[16:19:54] <shaun416> I cant afford all the tools though
[16:20:00] <shaun416> i mean maybe
[16:20:07] <GuShH_> you don't need that many
[16:20:14] <GuShH_> to get started
[16:20:33] <shaun416> hmm
[16:20:36] <shaun416> welll...
[16:20:41] <shaun416> i dont know what to get
[16:20:49] <shaun416> and everyone has different opinions
[16:21:02] <GuShH_> chuck, dead or live center, parting blade, a few hss bits...
[16:21:22] <shaun416> hm
[16:21:33] <shaun416> wouldnt i need a shit ton of measuring tools?
[16:21:41] <GuShH_> for what you are doing???
[16:21:49] <GuShH_> digital calipers
[16:21:52] <shaun416> ok
[16:21:55] <GuShH_> and a sharpie
[16:21:56] <shaun416> I have
[16:22:02] <GuShH_> it's not precision work
[16:22:09] <shaun416> i see
[16:22:28] <GuShH_> you might want at least a dial indicator with a holder in the futrue
[16:22:29] <GuShH_> future
[16:22:47] <shaun416> hm
[16:22:54] <shaun416> thats why maybe a newer lathe is better?
[16:22:59] <shaun416> it comes with that
[16:23:05] <shaun416> and support from a company
[16:23:22] <shaun416> accecories easilly bought
[16:23:28] <GuShH_> comes with what?
[16:23:37] <GuShH_> most "accessories" are standard for most lathes...
[16:23:41] <GuShH_> morse tapers are standard.
[16:24:29] <witnit> damn, now im goingto end up buying another lathe
[16:24:40] <witnit> i keep looking as so many good ones
[16:24:45] <witnit> but nice and big
[16:25:05] <XXCoder> hm sketchup does suck on one thing. everything has borders and I can't just move stuff
[16:25:21] <XXCoder> if I delete surface I gonna delete borders too uggh
[16:25:52] <GuShH_> while we're looking at trash... http://www.usmagazine.com/uploads/assets/articles/72078-kim-kardashian-booty-bikini-photoshoot-pictures/1396962577_kim-kardashian-zoom.jpg
[16:26:12] <witnit> last night, my stock was 2" and doesnt fit the smile, i have no steady rest.. I ended up pulling out the shaft in the tailstock which is 2.250 and maching a bushing so i could use my tailstock as a steady rest
[16:26:24] <witnit> spindle*
[16:26:25] <witnit> haha
[16:26:27] <topcyde> shaun416: you can get a 7x10 lathe from harbor freight for $600 and the one slightly larger than that for that much if you wait for it to go on sale.
[16:26:51] <shaun416> i hear those are utter crap
[16:27:12] <witnit> you should go see gigiiigig
[16:27:17] <shaun416> ...
[16:27:22] <witnit> and pester her till she just gives it to you
[16:27:28] <GuShH_> giiigiiii show me the gooooods
[16:27:31] <shaun416> ha
[16:28:43] <topcyde> they are not the greatest but I plugged one in at the shop and ran it. it was passable.
[16:30:08] <GuShH_> you need to fit them
[16:30:11] <GuShH_> they're projects
[16:30:15] <GuShH_> just like a used lathe
[16:30:23] <shaun416> heh
[16:30:26] <topcyde> but it's a crap shoot as to if you get a decent one or a crap one. To me it's the same as buying an old used southbend if all youre wanting to do is dink around.
[16:30:30] <shaun416> I want better than passible
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[16:30:41] <GuShH_> you can't afford that shaun416.
[16:31:35] <shaun416> hmm
[16:31:49] <shaun416> you are right
[16:31:54] <topcyde> GuShH: beat me to the delivery. You need to at least double your budget if youre looking for passable or wait and bide your time for the next decade until one falls in your lap.
[16:32:43] <shaun416> hmm
[16:32:59] <XXCoder> whoa! http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2014/04/10/3425126/scientists-use-solar-power-to-make-more-solar-panels/
[16:33:50] <witnit> can you guys imagine the questons when he finally gets one? =D
[16:33:55] <shaun416> i just need something for small parts tbh...
[16:34:03] <shaun416> watchmaking/ small parts
[16:34:07] <shaun416> thats all ill use it for
[16:35:23] <topcyde> then the harbor freight is plenty good
[16:35:36] <shaun416> that size is good..
[16:35:39] <shaun416> idk about quality
[16:35:51] <topcyde> and learn to use a vernier caliper (a real vernier)
[16:36:16] <XXCoder> if its not percise projects and small harbor probably just fine. you dont even need to shipit
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[16:36:31] <shaun416> it is pretty precise
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[16:36:46] <topcyde> repeatability is about technique, the machine only determines how difficult or easy that technique is.
[16:37:13] <GuShH_> topcyde: he can use what he has, no need to buy another caliper
[16:37:21] <shaun416> hm
[16:37:51] <topcyde> a digital caliper to make watch parts?
[16:38:00] <GuShH_> he won't be making watch parts.
[16:38:05] <shaun416> ...
[16:38:08] <shaun416> Id like to
[16:38:22] <GuShH_> the other day you wanted to make model engines
[16:38:28] <shaun416> no...
[16:38:40] <GuShH_> then hotends
[16:38:43] <GuShH_> now watch parts?
[16:38:47] <shaun416> sure
[16:39:16] <GuShH_> fair to say you don't really know what you want...
[16:39:18] <shaun416> honestly I know HF is junk
[16:39:23] <shaun416> I dont want to buy it
[16:39:35] <GuShH_> any lathe you can afford will require tweaking and fitting
[16:39:57] <GuShH_> you'll learn by taking it apart.
[16:40:11] <GuShH_> and even the best lathes break down and require servicing
[16:40:33] <shaun416> yes
[16:40:38] <shaun416> but HF is known crap
[16:41:02] <GuShH_> yet americans love it
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[16:41:11] <shaun416> heh
[16:41:23] <topcyde> shaun416: you're missing GuShS 's point - we're just trying to give you options that fit within your budget, but you keep batting them down.
[16:41:40] <shaun416> because its crap
[16:42:00] <topcyde> ANything you buy at your price pooint is going to be CRAP.
[16:42:07] <shaun416> well
[16:42:10] <shaun416> HF is the most
[16:42:22] <shaun416> I looked at one in the store
[16:42:26] <shaun416> plastic handwheels broken
[16:42:34] <shaun416> plastic covers snapped
[16:42:36] <archivist> others are selling the same crap with a different badge
[16:42:40] <shaun416> toolpost bent
[16:42:50] <XXCoder> used ones seem good, like that atlas one
[16:43:14] <shaun416> hm
[16:43:18] <topcyde> broken handle is easier to replace than a shot head bearing.
[16:43:36] <shaun416> true
[16:43:36] <GuShH_> shaun416: that's just the people there
[16:43:37] <GuShH_> your people.
[16:43:39] <GuShH_> monkeys.
[16:43:41] <shaun416> but that wasnt even being used
[16:43:45] <topcyde> maybe.. you could make one?.. with a lathe?
[16:43:46] <shaun416> just display...
[16:43:49] <shaun416> and it was broken
[16:43:54] <GuShH_> they steal caps from lawn mower engines
[16:43:58] <GuShH_> they destroy all they can
[16:44:13] <GuShH_> in fact in your country they ought to GLUE the caps so they can't steal them
[16:44:29] <GuShH_> one would think you lot are more civilized than that.
[16:44:55] <XXCoder> gush youre making poretty lot assumations
[16:45:02] <GuShH_> what
[16:45:06] <GuShH_> assumptions you mean.
[16:45:15] <GuShH_> No, it's true. they glue the caps so they can't steal them.
[16:45:27] <GuShH_> shaun416: if the handwheels are plastic and you don't like them, make new ones out of aluminum.
[16:45:32] <shaun416> hmm
[16:45:36] <XXCoder> exactly
[16:45:39] <XXCoder> upgrade parts
[16:45:44] <shaun416> I see
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[16:45:49] <IchGuckLive> hi all
[16:45:51] <XXCoder> hey ich
[16:45:52] <IchGuckLive> B)
[16:46:00] <XXCoder> check this out https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/53432577/CncRoughDraft.png
[16:46:08] <shaun416> this just goes against eveything youve been saying
[16:46:12] <shaun416> i dont get it
[16:46:16] <XXCoder> just a rough drat see what works and what dont
[16:46:21] <XXCoder> draft
[16:46:25] <GuShH_> I said buy used, you refuse.
[16:46:29] <shaun416> I dont
[16:46:30] <GuShH_> so the next best thing is that HF thing.
[16:46:32] <shaun416> find me one
[16:46:35] <shaun416> for a good price
[16:46:42] <GuShH_> and so it doesn't sound too bad, think about making it better
[16:46:48] <GuShH_> instead of complaining about it's shortcomings
[16:46:59] <GuShH_> one with a price low enough might not even be usable
[16:47:02] <shaun416> backlash
[16:47:05] <shaun416> is bad
[16:47:05] <GuShH_> it's probably missing half the parts that make it a lathe
[16:47:10] <GuShH_> you have to adjust them
[16:47:24] <GuShH_> 2-5 thou is as best as you will ever get them.
[16:47:38] <IchGuckLive> XXCoder: realy nice setup
[16:47:41] <Loetmichel> XXCoder: put a sheet UNDER the base
[16:47:47] <Loetmichel> to for a box
[16:47:49] <Loetmichel> form
[16:47:50] <witnit> I still think he should get the rustball, atleast he can guarantee some resell value if decides machinist isnt a good title
[16:48:00] <Loetmichel> MUCH more rigid than an open bottom
[16:48:06] <XXCoder> ok, makes sense, space to add level adjusting feet
[16:48:24] <GuShH_> the compound on mine is 2 thou the cross slide is 1 thou but right out of the crate it was over 30 thou
[16:48:25] <topcyde> Bought and setup an $80K lathe. First thing we had to do was adjust the backlash in the compound. THATS JUST MACHINING!
[16:48:41] <shaun416> If i could
[16:48:48] <shaun416> Id get a good used america made lathe
[16:48:51] <shaun416> but I cant find any
[16:48:56] <GuShH_> 'murica
[16:49:01] <GuShH_> it's going to take you months then.
[16:49:04] <IchGuckLive> XXCoder: on that setup with only 1 rail in x per side you might get in trouble with the precission of the rail wagon
[16:49:06] <Loetmichel> XXCoder: look here: http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=11205
[16:49:10] <shaun416> hmmm
[16:49:11] <shaun416> why
[16:49:17] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=11175
[16:49:18] <GuShH_> shaun416: because that's life
[16:49:23] <shaun416> wll life sucks
[16:49:40] <GuShH_> yeah let's end it, you first!
[16:50:19] <shaun416> OK
[16:50:35] <XXCoder> IchGuckLive: scale isnt that large, maybe max 3 feet or 1000mm or so max for x
[16:51:03] <XXCoder> size is still vague because it depends on whatever best deal I can find on sbr rails
[16:51:18] <topcyde> shaun416: while I commend you for putting down your xbox controller for long enough to actually attempt to do something productive with your life maybe you should return. and ask your mom to make you another sandwich.
[16:51:36] <shaun416> Uhh
[16:51:44] <shaun416> I dont play video games
[16:51:57] <GuShH_> lol
[16:52:25] <topcyde> I don't play with sarcasm either.
[16:52:35] <shaun416> well..
[16:52:40] <GuShH_> I'd like a sammich
[16:52:41] <GuShH_> or two
[16:52:43] <GuShH_> and a beer, please.
[16:52:45] <GuShH_> or two.
[16:52:56] <shaun416> that atlas is good?
[16:53:08] <GuShH_> you'll have to go and see it
[16:53:16] <shaun416> http://cnj.craigslist.org/tls/4414444761.html
[16:53:16] <shaun416> this
[16:53:30] <GuShH_> looks in very good condition, probably needs very little done
[16:53:40] <GuShH_> but no quick change gearbox...
[16:53:45] <shaun416> see
[16:53:58] <GuShH_> so changing feeds and threading takes extra time to get the gears off the banjo, adjusted, etc
[16:54:17] <shaun416> hm
[16:54:26] <GuShH_> they had a quick change gearbox addon for these I think
[16:54:32] <GuShH_> you could just bolt it on
[16:54:38] <GuShH_> as an extra...
[16:54:58] <GuShH_> see the stack of gears, that's pretty much how they sit, horizontally, on the gearbox
[16:55:10] <GuShH_> without it, you have to manually change the relations
[16:55:12] <Einar> It looks like a decent machine. Which is much more important for a rookie than quick chage.
[16:55:16] <archivist> that looks freshly painted for sale, you can probably get cheaper
[16:55:18] <GuShH_> or rather, gear ratios
[16:55:34] <GuShH_> archivist: it does? but look at the ways, seems like it hasn't seen a lot of work
[16:55:50] <GuShH_> I think it's just oil that gives you the reflection
[16:56:03] <Loetmichel> XXCoder: seen the pics?
[16:56:07] <GuShH_> that said, surface rust is ok... don't be put off by it
[16:56:23] <XXCoder> Loetmichel: yeah
[16:56:41] <XXCoder> pretty large cnc
[16:57:07] <Loetmichel> the "boxed" gantry (with missing back plate) and the boxed Table makes this monster rigid enough to mill Aluminium and even steel
[16:57:35] <XXCoder> steels definitely not in my wanted list but alum definitel
[16:58:14] <XXCoder> I probably has to redo gantry, no way to nicely move stuff around in sketchup
[17:01:08] <shaun416> maybe this isnt a good idea
[17:01:15] <IchGuckLive> For all that have seen the 3D animation i made to get a part in look for coustoms here is the real part http://foengarage.de/balkon_gr.jpg
[17:01:31] <GuShH_> shaun416: second guess much?
[17:01:53] <IchGuckLive> the panels are 60mm long and laserengraved
[17:01:56] <shaun416> maybe i should go ack to the machine shop
[17:02:04] <shaun416> and use the bridgeport stuff
[17:02:44] <IchGuckLive> Red ones in one stroke with onel laser the with one is hard wood ans it took 3 lasers to be aligned in one pont and 2 passes at 60mm/min
[17:02:50] <Loetmichel> IchGuckLive: do you live in a "berghuette"?
[17:02:54] <GuShH_> not sure I would let you near a bridgeport
[17:03:02] <shaun416> why noy
[17:03:11] <Loetmichel> that balcony looks like its build for "fensterln" ;-)
[17:03:12] <IchGuckLive> Loetmichel: its for the winsmile ninature
[17:03:23] <IchGuckLive> ;-)
[17:03:38] <topcyde> GuShH: as long as he buys his own endmills
[17:04:08] <Loetmichel> topcyde: buy? grind them from broken mill shafts you mean ;-)
[17:04:23] <XXCoder> this is shawn. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i_jgOb5gUsU
[17:04:42] <topcyde> Oh hell NO! certintly wouldnt let him near a grinder!
[17:05:03] <GuShH_> topcyde: he crashes the endmill, wrecks your table. should he bring his own table?
[17:05:07] <topcyde> He could kill someone! Maybe even himself!
[17:05:16] <IchGuckLive> ok ist BBQ time im off bye
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[17:05:34] <topcyde> NO then he gets to learn machine scraping.
[17:06:07] <GuShH_> your machine though
[17:07:02] <topcyde> Yeah but it would be the crappy mill?drill anyway. I wouldnt need ti to make anything really important in time for him to true it back up.
[17:07:26] <GuShH_> wishful thinking
[17:07:41] <GuShH_> he would gravitate toward your most expensive machine.
[17:07:46] <topcyde> Just trying to give the benefit of doubt?
[17:07:56] <GuShH_> I'm just trying to annoy him.
[17:07:59] <GuShH_> shaun416: so?
[17:08:12] <shaun416> ?
[17:08:15] <topcyde> I think you were successful.
[17:08:53] <GuShH_> shaun416: isn't anything you make at the uni, with their machines, end up being their property?
[17:09:12] <shaun416> probably...
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[17:15:11] <XXCoder> GuShH_: dunno but if you bring in your own mats nope
[17:15:26] <XXCoder> I bought alum rod to be turned into jedi saber by friend. Still has it
[17:16:31] <shaun416> lol?
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[17:24:25] <GuShH_> shaun416: so, what's it gonna be
[17:24:38] <shaun416> what?
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[17:24:42] <shaun416> I cant afford it
[17:24:50] <shaun416> so ill join a club at my school next year
[17:24:56] <shaun416> and use the shop
[17:24:58] <shaun416> have them teach me
[17:25:55] <GuShH_> next year?
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[17:28:03] <shaun416> yes
[17:28:07] <GuShH_> sell one of your toys if you can't afford it
[17:28:12] <shaun416> :/
[17:28:12] <GuShH_> or work?
[17:28:14] <GuShH_> heh
[17:28:14] <shaun416> what tyos
[17:28:18] <shaun416> toys
[17:28:21] <GuShH_> one of your printers
[17:28:22] <shaun416> I have no where to work
[17:28:24] <shaun416> LOL
[17:28:50] <shaun416> ill bbl
[17:36:24] <XXCoder> sell yoda heads for profit till got enough
[17:36:40] <XXCoder> cusom dialos for women and few men :P
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[17:38:25] <GuShH_> shaun416: sell printed parts?
[17:40:26] <archivist> print a lathe !
[17:40:35] * archivist ducks
[17:40:56] <GuShH_> hahaaa
[17:41:03] <GuShH_> archivist: someone already has
[17:41:03] <XXCoder> thats definitely possible
[17:41:08] <topcyde> That would be sweet!
[17:41:09] <XXCoder> probably sucky one but...
[17:41:14] <GuShH_> they spent over 1000 bucks on a printer, to print an unusable lathe.
[17:41:24] <GuShH_> >_<
[17:41:43] <XXCoder> or use wood lathe to make bad metal lathe to make good one
[17:41:54] <GuShH_> what
[17:42:02] <GuShH_> don't ever use a wood lathe with metal...
[17:42:16] <GuShH_> anyway http://www.stemulate.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/Lathe.jpg
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[17:42:30] <topcyde> In that case buy the gingery books and start with building the furnace to melt the metal and cast your own whole machine shop.
[17:42:32] <XXCoder> good plastic lathe I guess
[17:42:35] <GuShH_> I bet you turn delrin and it chatters.
[17:42:55] <XXCoder> GuShH_: yeah but if youre unconcerned about wood lathe life.. lol its like bit over 100 bucks
[17:42:56] <GuShH_> shaun wants all the glory with no effort.
[17:42:57] <shaun416> GuShH_, thats an idea
[17:43:01] <shaun416> I could sell parts
[17:43:19] <GuShH_> XXCoder: no, you have no real toolpost just a toolrest... it's a dangerous preposition
[17:43:23] <GuShH_> maybe if you only used a file
[17:43:26] <shaun416> I have a wood lathe
[17:43:27] <shaun416> :p
[17:43:33] <XXCoder> possible
[17:43:35] <GuShH_> let's see what you've made out of wood?
[17:43:36] <shaun416> a small dremel
[17:43:42] <shaun416> I havent made anything...
[17:43:48] <GuShH_> you are not making a lathe better than that china shit
[17:43:53] <GuShH_> why do you have it then
[17:43:55] <shaun416> thats true
[17:43:59] <shaun416> i was given it
[17:44:01] <GuShH_> sell it.
[17:44:02] <XXCoder> if you made nothing out of wood lathe why get metal one
[17:44:03] <shaun416> old dremel lathe
[17:44:07] <shaun416> its workth 20 dollars
[17:44:14] <shaun416> becasue wood sucks
[17:44:23] <shaun416> and a machining lathe is not a wood lathe
[17:44:24] <topcyde> If he really wanted to learn to use the equipment he'd work part time in a manual job shop and actually learn. Have an engineer friend that put himself through school working as a machinist.
[17:44:28] <shaun416> totally different things
[17:44:30] <GuShH_> XXCoder: he's simply infatuated with the idea.
[17:45:08] <topcyde> bwst engineer I've ever worked with
[17:45:13] <GuShH_> once he gets it he will play 20 minutes with it, realize he doesn't like it and let it gather dust
[17:45:27] <topcyde> or worse gather rust
[17:45:34] <GuShH_> heh yeah
[17:45:43] <GuShH_> shaun413: print yourself that toy lathe?
[17:45:54] <XXCoder> it's also a possibility for my cnc lol but I know risks
[17:45:56] <topcyde> what?... Oil??? WHat???
[17:46:01] <XXCoder> I go for it anyway
[17:46:05] <GuShH_> what's oil?
[17:47:36] <topcyde> I got theis cap on my crosslide labeled 710... I wonder what it's for?
[17:47:38] <shaun416> heh?
[17:47:39] <GuShH_> http://www.thingiverse.com/thing:12472
[17:47:41] <shaun416> toy lathe?
[17:47:41] <GuShH_> haha
[17:47:54] <shaun416> oh lord
[17:48:16] <shaun416> tbh GuShH_
[17:48:19] <XXCoder> if printed out of abs you can make it smooth and shiny by acetone vapor
[17:48:25] <shaun416> im jjust trying to find a way to make some money
[17:48:26] <XXCoder> theres method online
[17:48:38] <XXCoder> just dont that in apt
[17:48:46] <topcyde> shaun416: here's a clue. Get a job.
[17:48:49] <XXCoder> laters
[17:48:50] <shaun416> I cant
[17:49:06] <topcyde> WOn't
[17:49:07] <GuShH_> shaun416: sell your bodily fluids
[17:49:12] <shaun416> ...
[17:53:02] <GuShH_> shaun416: sell parts kits then, period
[17:54:01] <shaun416> Maybe
[17:54:06] <shaun416> I hear there isnt alot of markuo
[17:54:09] <MrHindsight> XXCoder: if you use photopolymers and DLP you can print the same parts smooth and 10-100x faster
[17:54:14] <GuShH_> what did you expect
[17:54:15] <shaun416> maybe better selling statues or something
[17:54:22] <MrHindsight> and for lower cost
[17:55:13] <MrHindsight> that way he'll have made his money faster selling Yoda heads
[17:55:57] <shaun416> ^
[17:56:00] <shaun416> thats what I thought
[17:56:28] <GuShH_> yoda headed... sex toys?
[17:56:32] <shaun416> ...
[17:56:34] <GuShH_> BOOM money.
[17:56:36] <MrHindsight> 1-2 seconds per 100um layer is 3-6mm per minute Z growth
[17:56:50] <shaun416> hm
[17:57:05] <MrHindsight> just think of all the Yoda heads you can make!
[17:57:11] <shaun416> I can
[17:57:18] <shaun416> but who the hell would buy that
[17:57:29] <GuShH_> offer "printing services" and realize it's not what you wanted to do.
[17:57:51] <GuShH_> shaun416: a company or individual was making religious sex toys... seems they were selling
[17:57:56] <shaun416> :/
[17:58:04] <GuShH_> the yoda dildo WOULD SELL
[17:58:10] <shaun416> Im not making that
[17:58:10] <GuShH_> people are messed up in the head.
[17:58:30] <Jymmm> GuShH_: What is a "religious" sex toy?
[17:58:56] <MrHindsight> http://www.3ders.org/articles/20140408-high-speed-high-resolution-dlp-3d-printer-titan-1-with-psp-tech.html Yoda heads, Eiffel Towers, human busts, toys, it's all the craze :)
[17:59:09] <shaun416> oh lord
[17:59:16] <MrHindsight> it's going to change the world
[17:59:16] <GuShH_> let's spend over 1k to print shit we could have ordered off of ebay for cents
[17:59:32] <MrHindsight> just about everyone needs a Yoda head
[17:59:57] <GuShH_> http://www.vice.com/read/these-religious-sex-toys-are-disturbing-and-hilarious
[18:00:13] <GuShH_> I've seen better.
[18:00:31] <GuShH_> (or worse)
[18:00:55] <GuShH_> what would shaun do...
[18:00:55] <MrHindsight> Yoda sex toys
[18:01:01] <shaun416> NO
[18:01:02] <GuShH_> I already suggested it.
[18:01:05] <GuShH_> IT WOULD SELL
[18:01:06] <shaun416> so toys
[18:01:11] <MrHindsight> 2 birds, one stone
[18:01:15] <GuShH_> lots of nerds want to feel the deep force...
[18:01:27] <GuShH_> "wear the force with you"
[18:01:30] * GuShH_ rofls
[18:01:35] <shaun416> :/
[18:01:47] <GuShH_> shaun416: I'm afraid you are SOL.
[18:01:59] <MrHindsight> http://www.3ders.org/articles/20140403-studio-under-develops-a-large-fast-ceramic-3d-printer.html ceramic yoda heads
[18:02:08] <GuShH_> it already exists.
[18:02:24] <MrHindsight> do I make things up?
[18:02:35] <shaun416> why
[18:02:39] <shaun416> Im not selling those toys
[18:02:56] <shaun416> anyhting else
[18:02:59] <GuShH_> you couldn't even model them if you wanted to, shaun.
[18:03:05] <GuShH_> copypasta boy.
[18:03:06] <shaun416> true
[18:03:11] <GuShH_> where's your talent
[18:03:17] <MrHindsight> http://www.3ders.org/articles/20140410-scientists-trying-to-3d-print-a-working-human-heart-out-of-fat-cells.html sell new livers by mail order
[18:03:34] <MrHindsight> the livers are only $500 ea but the operation is $100K
[18:04:14] <GuShH_> http://www.randompicturesblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/random_pictures_blog_1442.jpg hahaha
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[18:05:49] <GuShH_> shaun416: clip-on religious symbols for AK47s you can print that!
[18:05:55] <shaun416> LOL
[18:06:15] <MrHindsight> start up a new Guns for Jesus campaign
[18:06:19] <GuShH_> Because this is MY RELIGION <unloads mag>
[18:06:29] <MrHindsight> or "What would Jesus shoot?"
[18:07:18] <shaun416> :/
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[18:08:18] <MrHindsight> religious fundamentalism is the current craze, think of a way to tie it all together for the win
[18:10:01] <shaun416> NO
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[18:14:46] <GuShH_> http://funnymama.com/post/259397
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[18:17:05] <MrHindsight> custom printed adult toys is a big untapped market
[18:17:11] <shaun416> :/
[18:17:16] <shaun416> not right materials
[18:17:28] <MrHindsight> whats not right for it?
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[18:17:49] <shaun416> I dont want to do that
[18:17:49] <MrHindsight> print a mold, or just print latex
[18:17:51] <shaun416> stop please
[18:18:04] <gushhtab> Do what
[18:18:30] <gushhtab> Print guuuuns
[18:18:39] <shaun416> :/
[18:19:04] <gushhtab> Free 22 on every purchase
[18:19:11] <MrHindsight> chocolate or candy printing is also gaining popularity
[18:19:21] <gushhtab> Fatso
[18:19:28] <shaun416> get a lathe
[18:19:31] <shaun416> make a real gun
[18:19:56] <MrHindsight> you need a license to resell them in the US
[18:20:04] <MrHindsight> takes some $$ to get one
[18:20:19] <Tecan> forget a lathe use a nuke
[18:20:20] <shaun416> yes
[18:20:21] <gushhtab> Print the license
[18:20:26] <shaun416> I wasnt really going to...
[18:20:30] <shaun416> o lord
[18:20:33] <shaun416> stop it
[18:20:44] <gushhtab> You are too lazy
[18:21:06] <gushhtab> :p
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[18:21:09] <MrHindsight> http://blog.sfgate.com/techchron/2012/01/11/now-you-can-recharge-your-cell-phone-with-pee/
[18:21:34] <gushhtab> Yey lets pee on your iPhones
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[18:23:11] <Tecan> pp stands for pee power now ?
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[18:23:36] <MrHindsight> PeePhone, think of the logo
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[18:24:05] <Tecan> big hairy snatch
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[18:25:47] <gushhtab> Meanwhile in the history channel ... Hitler eats an icecream.
[18:26:40] <MrHindsight> any video?
[18:27:53] <shaun416> will need proof
[18:29:43] <gushhtab> Joke ...
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[18:35:42] <MrHindsight> I'm looking for high speed dispensing vales (on/off <1mS) for high viscosity fluids (>1,000 cps) with orifices in the 100um to 500um range
[18:38:07] <gushhtab> Good luck
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[18:46:44] <MrHindsight> looks like DIY
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[19:13:00] <humble_sea_bass> that's the pee-its
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[19:23:25] <twk> I am trying to persuade people on CNCZone that linux is better but I am not doing a very good job of it.
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[19:24:11] <twk> I was trying to use the "end of life for XP" as an example of what can happen
[19:24:46] <twk> CNCZONE link is: http://www.cnczone.com/forums/operating-system-software/217662-windows-xp-end-life-april-8-2014-a.html
[19:25:34] <twk> Anyone else out there that would like to take a stab at it.
[19:25:45] <MrHindsight> no real time in Winders unless you use another closed kernel by Radysis
[19:26:30] <twk> Take a look at my posting in the forums on CNCZone
[19:26:43] <MrHindsight> they like winders for other reasons
[19:26:45] <twk> CNCZONE link is: http://www.cnczone.com/forums/operating-system-software/217662-windows-xp-end-life-april-8-2014-a.html
[19:27:04] <MrHindsight> familiar interface and how to install a program
[19:27:09] <MrHindsight> thats really about it
[19:27:37] <MrHindsight> the rest is drama
[19:28:03] <twk> I was trying to point out that device drivers could also be a big issue in the not too distant future
[19:28:04] <MrHindsight> these discussions went on back in the 90's with winders and mac as well
[19:28:41] <twk> So I am wasting my time with the winders folks
[19:29:15] <moorbo> maybe some of them might switch over....but probably yes.
[19:29:18] <MrHindsight> pretty much
[19:29:24] <MrHindsight> they don't seem to care
[19:29:51] <MrHindsight> I find open loop mach3 to be pretty useless
[19:30:25] <MrHindsight> it even seems to see position info when the motors aren't moving
[19:30:58] <MrHindsight> even closed loop with servos sees motion when there is none
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[19:31:30] <MrHindsight> lock the motors, turn the MPG, instant movement even though no motor is even attached
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[19:32:02] <twk> I have a desire to develop oipen source laser engraver drivers for linux.
[19:32:27] <MrHindsight> for what laser engravers?
[19:32:29] <twk> Dirvers can be a lot owrk work and I need to be able to pay the mortgae and eat also
[19:32:38] <moorbo> Is anyone here familiar with the p5 (pocketnc.com) ?
[19:33:16] <twk> "for what laser engravers?" I was thinking maybe Rabbit lasers
[19:33:36] <MrHindsight> twk: do they need a driver? what's the input? g-code, gerber ???
[19:34:37] <twk> I do not know yet, and I do not have the funds to be able to spend full time working on this project to answer that question.
[19:35:00] <twk> I do not think the controllers opn the Rabbbit use GCode
[19:35:41] <twk> I would probably have to contact the manufacture and hope that tehy would give me the correct info.
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[19:36:43] <twk> My typing is horrible today, fingers are getting ahead of my brain
[19:36:56] <moorbo> what's a good 3 axis cam
[19:37:09] <moorbo> pycam seems to be fairly popular?
[19:37:13] <moorbo> (sorry a free one)
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[19:37:37] <zeeshan> twk
[19:37:40] <zeeshan> linux isn't better than windows :P
[19:37:57] <zeeshan> linux isn't as intuitive as windows is
[19:38:03] <zeeshan> and i think thats why most people use windoze
[19:38:49] <Jymmm> linux isn't as expensive as windows is
[19:39:01] <zeeshan> shrug, it comes free with most computers
[19:39:17] <Jymmm> linux isn't as restrictive as windows is
[19:39:17] <zeeshan> and windows 8 is like 120$
[19:39:21] <twk> Linux is better for machinery if you have open source drivers and therefore ability to reinstall and upgrade drivers
[19:39:22] <humble_sea_bass> you know that cnczone sees linuxcnc as a cult, right?
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[19:39:38] <zeeshan> i totally agree, linux is better for running machinery only
[19:39:44] <zeeshan> but not as a day to day use desktop
[19:40:07] <twk> Linux works fine for me on everyday stuff as well
[19:40:26] <Jymmm> Linux doens't have viruses
[19:40:28] <moorbo> until something breaks, and you have to jump into terminal
[19:40:30] <zeeshan> shrug, i cant use solidworks, inventor, nx, alias, autocad, matlab, ansys in linux
[19:40:35] <zeeshan> also ms office
[19:40:36] <zeeshan> :)
[19:40:47] <Jymmm> Open Office is free
[19:40:53] <zeeshan> its also slow
[19:40:58] <zeeshan> =D
[19:40:59] <humble_sea_bass> it all depends on your lifestyle. I can't do without all the programs zeeshan mentions
[19:41:00] <moorbo> Jymmm: there are viruses on linux
[19:41:00] <twk> Libre Office is also free
[19:41:04] <Jymmm> Not really
[19:41:04] <humble_sea_bass> well, fuck inventor
[19:41:06] <moorbo> mainly through java
[19:41:09] <moorbo> well malware(s)
[19:41:34] <zeeshan> i think they both have their ups and downs
[19:41:47] <zeeshan> but for machinery purposes, Linuxcnc FTW!!
[19:42:02] <twk> I would love to work on linux CAD, CAM, device drviers etc if I could just find enough funds to eat.
[19:42:48] <twk> I am a 54 year old Electrical Engineer, who has done mostly low level programming work
[19:43:35] <MrHindsight> we still use windows for video games and CAD after lots of service and registry tweaks
[19:43:44] <MrHindsight> also drivers hacks
[19:43:52] <zeeshan> i only listed a few software
[19:43:53] <humble_sea_bass> i can't live without mah vidia games
[19:43:59] <zeeshan> most engineering software is made for windows too :{
[19:44:11] <humble_sea_bass> and CAD on windows is where it is at, just because that's life
[19:44:16] <MrHindsight> I have to put up with it
[19:44:18] <zeeshan> like mdsolids, computer assisted thermodynamics, etc
[19:44:28] <twk> Inventor, AutoCAD etc are very expensive for the small business and a free open source alternative would be nice to have.
[19:44:38] <zeeshan> i used to hate windows before xp
[19:44:44] <zeeshan> but after xp, and especially after 7
[19:44:50] <zeeshan> microsoft got their shit together
[19:44:50] <zeeshan> :D
[19:45:07] <MrHindsight> we are really paranoid about malware ans virus and we still end up having to rebuild the systems every few months
[19:45:11] <humble_sea_bass> Windows 7 is sweet, but then windows 8 happened
[19:45:17] <zeeshan> i havent tried windows 8
[19:45:21] <humble_sea_bass> dont
[19:45:29] <humble_sea_bass> you'll get so upset
[19:45:29] <moorbo> windows 8 is fine
[19:45:32] <MrHindsight> we tried win8 and went back to 7
[19:45:41] <moorbo> especially with the 8.1 update that comes out soon
[19:45:46] <MrHindsight> we even tried a combo of the two
[19:45:54] <zeeshan> another thing linux is superior to windows for
[19:45:56] <zeeshan> is development
[19:46:33] <twk> Windows also tends to have closed source programs and especially device drivers
[19:46:49] <humble_sea_bass> linux is superior to ________ if your personal temperament allows it
[19:46:53] <zeeshan> closed source has its benefits and cons
[19:47:07] <zeeshan> for example, the recent heartbleed bug
[19:47:16] <zeeshan> so much for the opensource SSL bs.
[19:47:20] <MrHindsight> I don't mind closed if it actually works, but it's rarely the case
[19:47:27] <MrHindsight> we always have to fix things
[19:47:47] <twk> What do you do when the manufacturer goes out of business or decides not to support your hardware anymore, especailly those $10,000+ machines that you have
[19:48:16] <zeeshan> twk i guess thats why big companies always buy from the big boys
[19:48:57] <twk> As a quick example, I have a perfectly good scanner that the manufacturer will not upgrade drivers for aything above Windows XP
[19:49:11] <zeeshan> time to upgrade :P
[19:49:19] <twk> So I will soon have a scanner that will only be good as a boat anchor
[19:49:27] <moorbo> take it apart
[19:49:30] <moorbo> and salvage the parts
[19:49:59] <zeeshan> or start using linux!
[19:50:14] <zeeshan> things that die in windows tend to brought back to life in linux
[19:50:18] <twk> My point is that this could also happen with an expensive peace of equipment, CNC mill, Laser engraver etc.
[19:50:52] <zeeshan> i use rslogix which is an ancient software by allen bradley to talk to micrologix family plcs
[19:51:04] <zeeshan> it was made for windows 98 i think
[19:51:13] <zeeshan> but somehow it still works in windows 7
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[19:51:37] <zeeshan> nm looked it up
[19:51:58] <zeeshan> they still develop it for windows 7 thats why
[19:52:08] <MrHindsight> might actually work in Wine if you spend the time searching and installing missing extensions
[19:52:22] <humble_sea_bass> wine = tears most days
[19:53:19] <MrHindsight> .dll hell
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[19:57:58] <twk> Hope your manufacturer still support you, ==> End of Main Stream support for Windows 7 is ending soon ==> Jan 13, 2015
[19:58:13] <zeeshan> :P
[20:00:14] <zeeshan> extended support till 2020
[20:00:15] <zeeshan> :P
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[20:02:21] <twk> "extended support till 2020" ==> but what does that mean for the manufacturer, do they finally force you to upgrade hardware becasue the software support is becoming too expensvie
[20:02:58] <twk> Ok time to get off of my soap box
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[20:04:09] <humble_sea_bass> windows xp is still plenty supported in its old age
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[20:09:53] <MrHindsight> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811208054 these work out pretty well for itx cases, I used 2 of them for a complete system with stepper drivers and power supplies
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[20:10:18] <MrHindsight> one case for PC mainboard the other had the supplies and drivers
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[20:11:16] <MrHindsight> I need to find some PCIe LPT cards with headers vs just the external connectors
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[20:13:18] <pcw_home> its tall enough for LP PCIE cards
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[20:16:07] <MrHindsight> yes, it fits the LP 6i25's
[20:17:03] <pcw_home> aren't most PCIE LPT cards dual port (header + DB25)?
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[20:19:08] <MrHindsight> not that I've found
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[20:22:13] <MrHindsight> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16815166031 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16815158148 just one DB25
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[20:23:43] <MrHindsight> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16815114018 you have to spend 2x to get 2 ports
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[20:45:20] <Deejay> gn8
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[21:33:49] <somenewguy> i didn't even know there was one with 2 ports
[21:34:11] <somenewguy> I got a RC 303, haven't installed it yet since I haven't recieved my idolator yet
[21:34:15] <somenewguy> 1 lpt port two serial ports
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[21:34:55] <somenewguy> ohhhh those are PCIe cards, the 303 is pci
[21:37:09] <twk> Is there a need for a LinuxCNC image already on a CD or USB drive like OSDisc.com does for some versions of Linux. In-other-words for users with slow internet connections.
[21:37:37] <somenewguy> mrhindsight, for that price if I had a miniATX mobo lying around I'd grab that case so I can finally have a real card reader, and not have to use devices!
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[23:31:20] <andypugh> This is a strangely good video of what it is like to ride on our Fire Engine. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kyz6fTQtlj8
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[23:47:49] <CaptHindsight> looks like fun ride around London, I'd buy a ride
[23:48:41] <andypugh> It is great fun. And the only way I know to have a pretty girl wave at you, and have her boyfriend wave too :-)
[23:49:14] <Jymmm> andypugh: by him waving, I'm assuming not giving you the bird then?
[23:49:24] <andypugh> No, that’s the point.
[23:49:34] <ink> hehe
[23:49:38] <ink> looks fun :)
[23:49:39] <CaptHindsight> but you're driving on the wrong side of the road :)
[23:50:21] <Jymmm> andypugh: And he doens't mind when you show her your fire house?
[23:50:28] <Jymmm> hose*
[23:50:29] <andypugh> No, we are driving on the correct side of the road. We don’t go round roundabouts Widdershins. A very important point. :-)
[23:52:21] <Jymmm> andypugh: You REALLY need to get someone to drive along side taking video; POV just doens't work by itself
[23:53:17] <andypugh> There are lots of other vidoes, but that one does a really good job of what it feels like to be _on_ the Fire Engine.
[23:53:28] <Jymmm> gotcha
[23:53:44] <Jymmm> But it feels something is "missing" from it
[23:54:03] <Jymmm> I could be riding a bicyle for all I know.
[23:54:12] <Jymmm> or walking for that matter.
[23:54:22] <Jymmm> (Just the perception)
[23:54:30] <Jymmm> and context
[23:54:44] <Jymmm> teaser if you will
[23:55:13] <Jymmm> good song for it though
[23:55:41] <andypugh> I _think_ I am the driver here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y7Q7mabaVeI
[23:56:21] <Jymmm> andypugh: Do you charge to ride it?
[23:57:27] <andypugh> We aren’t allowed to, but neither can we offer rides to the general public.
[23:57:52] <Jymmm> Because it's a fire truck, or historic vehicle?
[23:58:24] <andypugh> Because it is insured as a private vehicle “Not for Hire or Reward”
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[23:58:45] <Jymmm> Ah, ok. How many gallons of water does it hold?
[23:58:51] <andypugh> None.
[23:59:01] <Jymmm> oh, strictly pump only?
[23:59:07] <andypugh> It needs a hydrant or pond.