#linuxcnc | Logs for 2014-04-11

[00:00:01] <KreAture> important to put stuff in there they can move
[00:00:05] <KreAture> keeps em buisy
[00:00:15] <KreAture> well, bedtime :)
[00:00:18] <Connor_iPad> Large pole barn. Had wire cages in U shape around the perimeter and back to back row down the middle.
[00:00:24] <Connor_iPad> In the end.
[00:00:27] <KreAture> just gotta fill water and give em more hay for the night
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[00:01:20] <Connor_iPad> Started off as a single New Zealand White for sister for Easter or birthday. Both in April.
[00:01:51] <KreAture> I don't do easter stuff
[00:01:52] <Connor_iPad> We had mini lops, New Zealand white, Netherlands dwarfs.
[00:02:01] <KreAture> I adopted these from local shelter though
[00:02:20] <Connor_iPad> This was in the 80's
[00:10:01] <XXCoder1> wow http://sploid.gizmodo.com/photographer-reveals-the-secret-of-the-windows-xp-deskt-1561984824
[00:10:11] <XXCoder1> I always though it was entirely cgi something\
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[00:18:08] <KreAture> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AVXY8OEZAEQ
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[00:18:50] <XXCoder1> imho, its one of better default wallpapers
[00:19:06] <XXCoder1> sure, theres very nice ones in 7, many nice ones
[00:19:19] <XXCoder1> but that wallpaper beats all. too damn bad its tiny now
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[00:21:57] <KreAture> I was actually convinced it was photoshopped
[00:22:00] <KreAture> nice story
[00:22:13] <XXCoder1> yeah
[00:22:16] <KreAture> and it's not really tiny
[00:22:25] <KreAture> microsoft can release it in large format if they chooe
[00:22:33] <KreAture> they have the original 4x6"
[00:22:34] <XXCoder1> guess so, but I doubt it.
[00:22:58] <KreAture> he used a really god medium format camera
[00:23:16] <zeeshan> fake !
[00:23:19] <zeeshan> trees are missing!
[00:23:19] <KreAture> lol
[00:23:22] <KreAture> :p
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[00:23:40] <XXCoder1> night
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[00:45:02] <zeeshan> hi PetefromTn_
[00:46:53] <PetefromTn_> hello
[00:47:34] <zeeshan> ever heard of peacock brand?
[00:47:55] <Tom_itx> brand of what?
[00:47:55] <PetefromTn_> yeah from you about those import mics.
[00:48:20] <zeeshan> well i just did research on them back then and theyre japanese
[00:48:25] <zeeshan> but i wonder if anyone has felt them
[00:48:31] <zeeshan> i sold my starrett outside mics
[00:48:34] <zeeshan> they are garbage
[00:48:51] <zeeshan> the lock mechanism is really odd to engage
[00:49:08] <zeeshan> http://www.ebay.ca/itm/PEACOCK-0-300MM-OUTSIDE-MICROMETER-SET-01MM-GRADS-/261383779025
[00:49:11] <zeeshan> ive been communicating with this guy
[00:49:25] <zeeshan> we've worked out a deal, but i dont know if i should go ahead with it
[00:49:27] <zeeshan> theyre dirt cheap
[00:51:27] <zeeshan> i dont see these micrometers on their website
[00:51:35] <zeeshan> but the actual micrometer says 'japan' on em
[00:52:28] <shaun415> so
[00:52:41] <shaun415> It seems I cant afford to buy a larger lathe, what Is the best mini lathe?
[00:52:58] <PetefromTn_> save your pennies.
[00:53:12] <shaun415> i have no room for anything large
[00:53:16] <zeeshan> shaun415: watch out PetefromTn_ is ruthless when it comes to tiny machinery
[00:53:17] <zeeshan> :D
[00:53:27] * shaun415 fears
[00:54:02] <zeeshan> im gonna skip on these peacocks
[00:54:03] <XXCoder1> shaun you could always do concete lathe like one I linked to lol
[00:54:12] <shaun415> gingery?
[00:54:31] <shaun415> i dont want to mess with that
[00:54:31] <shaun415> lol
[00:55:01] <XXCoder1> lol yeah guessed so
[00:55:12] <XXCoder1> you could always make one lol
[00:55:16] <XXCoder1> some good rails
[00:55:24] <XXCoder1> somehow make ends
[00:55:36] <shaun415> meh
[00:55:36] <zeeshan> http://www.kijiji.ca/v-view-image.html?adId=582444359&image=0&enableSearchNavigationFlag=true
[00:55:38] <zeeshan> fancy
[00:55:51] <zeeshan> do you guys trust digital dial indicators? :)
[00:56:32] <Tom_itx> digital calipers?
[00:56:33] <Tom_itx> yean
[00:56:37] <Tom_itx> yeah*
[00:56:38] <zeeshan> not calipers
[00:56:41] <zeeshan> dial indicators
[00:56:57] <Tom_itx> dunno, i don't own any
[00:57:11] <Tom_itx> the digital height gage was good
[00:57:24] <zeeshan> yea but thsoe are only good for 0.001" resolution
[00:57:45] <shaun415> well bbl
[00:59:06] <XXCoder1> shaun if you had access to some cnc and lathe
[00:59:11] <XXCoder1> you could make lathe lol shaun415
[00:59:42] <zeeshan> http://www.kijiji.ca/v-hand-tool/hamilton/starrett-no-220-anvil-micrometer/580976574?enableSearchNavigationFlag=true
[00:59:44] <zeeshan> someone buy this!
[00:59:45] <zeeshan> :P
[01:01:41] <XXCoder1> pay me $100
[01:01:44] <XXCoder1> ill buy it
[01:02:10] <zeeshan> haha
[01:02:35] <XXCoder1> wow http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/03/090331153010.htm
[01:06:07] <witnit> you seen the "additive machining" its like a cnc milling machine but also a cnc welder type thing which build up the metal like a printer then mills it to spec
[01:06:17] <zeeshan> http://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/NDc4WDY0MA==/z/X-MAAOxyaTxTQYA2/$_20.JPG
[01:06:24] <zeeshan> this guy is committing a crime
[01:06:29] <zeeshan> by putting those micromters on a brick floor.
[01:07:43] <XXCoder1> damaging those accuracies eh
[01:07:59] <zeeshan> there is a reason they come in a wooden box with foam
[01:07:59] <zeeshan> :P
[01:09:13] <witnit> you know if you throw 6 inch mics down just right they bounce right back up
[01:09:19] <XXCoder1> well "those was on brick floor, 75% off"
[01:09:24] <zeeshan> haha
[01:09:27] <zeeshan> i wouldnt buy those anyway
[01:09:30] <zeeshan> theyre in really rough condition
[01:09:36] <witnit> maybe
[01:09:47] <witnit> depends on the machinist
[01:09:52] <witnit> they may be just well used
[01:10:27] <zeeshan> no sane machinist would take a pic of them on a brick floor
[01:10:28] <zeeshan> :P
[01:10:34] <witnit> hahhaah
[01:10:39] <witnit> you speak the truth
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[01:42:43] <humble_sea_bass> you missed the part where he starts pissing on them
[01:42:47] <humble_sea_bass> for good measure
[01:55:03] <zeeshan> rofl
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[02:58:26] <Connor_iPad> It's dead tonight.
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[02:58:42] <zeeshan> :)
[02:58:57] <XXCoder1> quiet yes
[02:59:06] <zeeshan> its cause you guys are tool people like me
[02:59:10] <zeeshan> you guys are too busy with your cnc
[02:59:33] <zeeshan> archivist and me get along
[03:01:11] <zeeshan> http://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/NzUwWDEwMDA=/z/9rQAAOxyUylTRr4H/$_20.JPG
[03:01:13] <zeeshan> another crime
[03:01:23] <zeeshan> vacuum stored under surface plate
[03:01:24] <zeeshan> wtf !
[03:03:16] <skunkworks> I bought one of those surface plate - vacuum cleaner combos from harbor freight!!
[03:03:27] <zeeshan> haha are you serious
[03:03:30] <zeeshan> or pulling my leg
[03:03:48] <skunkworks> ;)
[03:03:57] <zeeshan> all the carts ive seen with surface plates
[03:04:10] <zeeshan> have boxes w/ height gages and gauge blocks and stuff
[03:04:18] <zeeshan> not shop vacs!
[03:04:47] <XXCoder1> zeeshan: yeah busy with my fake cnc lol
[03:04:53] <Connor_iPad> Dude. Sometimes. If you have a small workshop. Stuff ends up in strange places.
[03:05:31] <skunkworks> we have a problem with flat surfaces..
[03:05:48] <zeeshan> haha
[03:05:57] <zeeshan> flat surfaces collect all the possible tools they can see
[03:05:58] <zeeshan> http://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/NzY4WDEwMjQ=/z/QbUAAOxyaTxTRuec/$_20.JPG
[03:06:08] <zeeshan> can you guys tell what those green micrometers are?
[03:06:09] <Connor_iPad> As in. Keeping them clean of crap?
[03:06:18] <skunkworks> yes
[03:07:28] <XXCoder1> just bought cnc electric system
[03:07:57] <XXCoder1> http://www.ebay.com/itm/3Axis-Nema23-Stepping-Motor-110N-cm-3-0A-4wire-board-TB6560-Power-for-CMC-mill-/281188392513?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item4178225e41
[03:08:26] <zeeshan> nice
[03:08:31] <XXCoder1> yeah
[03:08:34] <zeeshan> test those out :D
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[03:08:46] <zeeshan> i was considering longs motors for the cnc mill
[03:09:03] <XXCoder1> I got enough money finally
[03:09:28] <XXCoder1> paid $100 after balance from paypal
[03:09:32] <Connor_iPad> I have longs for my CNC router. Kelings for my mill
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[03:09:57] <Connor_iPad> That driver board is crap.
[03:10:09] <XXCoder1> of course it is
[03:10:29] <XXCoder1> my plan is to evenually upgrade with http://www.ebay.com/itm/CNC-4-Axis-Driver-2M542-4-2A-Breakout-interface-board-for-Router-system-kit-/250986991782?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3a6ffd90a6
[03:10:46] <Connor_iPad> I have a 4 axis version for the router. I changed out the capacitors to reduce stepper hissing.
[03:10:48] <XXCoder1> oh hey it decreased in price. it was 220 or so
[03:13:29] <Connor_iPad> Get the MX3660
[03:13:29] <Connor_iPad> From automation technologies.
[03:13:54] <XXCoder1> few hundred bucks right?
[03:14:02] <Connor_iPad> Yea
[03:14:14] <XXCoder1> yeah thats why I'm getting cheap one
[03:14:25] <XXCoder1> rails is a toughie though
[03:14:30] <XXCoder1> so expensive
[03:14:40] <XXCoder1> http://www.ebay.com/itm/3-ballscrews-ballscrew-3set-SBR-rails-3sets-BK-BF12-3-couplings-Promotions-/251449603748?pt=BI_Heavy_Equipment_Parts&hash=item3a8b9076a4 not bad though
[03:15:09] <XXCoder1> 1' 2.5' 3' roughly
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[03:53:18] <shaun413> Hello!
[03:55:32] <shaun413> Everyone sleeping?
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[04:17:02] <shaun413> Everyone gone to bed?
[04:19:38] <XXCoder1> not me, but soon
[04:19:51] <shaun413> Well hi
[04:20:07] <shaun413> I'm starting to lean towards mini lathes again
[04:20:11] <shaun413> Cost and size..
[04:21:26] <XXCoder1> well I guess those can teach you pretty much same thing
[04:22:07] <shaun413> Well
[04:22:12] <shaun413> I want something decent
[04:22:19] <shaun413> The issue is just the Mooney
[04:22:28] <XXCoder1> money as usual indeed
[04:22:34] <shaun413> Yep
[04:22:37] <XXCoder1> I finally ordered first parts kit for my cnc
[04:22:43] <shaun413> Neat
[04:22:50] <XXCoder1> motors and 3axis controller, as well as power source
[04:23:11] <XXCoder1> once it arrives I guess I'll bolt it to some crappy board wire up and test em
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[13:10:03] <PetefromTn_> Good morning.
[13:10:08] <R2E4_> morning
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[13:10:53] <PetefromTn_> How are you this morning bob?
[13:11:06] <R2E4_> morning?
[13:11:13] <R2E4_> haha.
[13:11:23] <R2E4_> Good you?
[13:11:37] <PetefromTn_> what time zone are you in?
[13:11:44] <R2E4_> Eastern
[13:11:58] <PetefromTn_> then is it not morning there?
[13:12:10] <R2E4_> its 9:12AM
[13:12:28] <R2E4_> I am in the same time zone as you....
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[13:12:33] <PetefromTn_> as it is here.
[13:12:37] <PetefromTn_> morning..
[13:12:42] <PetefromTn_> ;)
[13:13:09] <R2E4_> I wrote Good Morning, and it came out morning? ..... Dont know how that happenbed....lol
[13:13:21] <PetefromTn_> aah
[13:13:56] <R2E4_> What are you using for drill tooling?
[13:13:56] <PetefromTn_> I am fine... paying some bills, gonna head to sears to buy some new front drive wheels for my self propelled push mower the ones on it are stripped out.
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[13:14:11] <PetefromTn_> just standard jobber length drills.
[13:14:31] <R2E4_> What toolholder?
[13:14:40] <PetefromTn_> I try to buy norseman brand from Fastenal but most of the ones in my large index are cheapo chinese.
[13:14:56] <PetefromTn_> Er20 or ER32 Cat40 Collet holders.
[13:15:05] <PetefromTn_> depending on drill size.
[13:15:18] <R2E4_> Do you have a drill chuck that fits on the cat40?
[13:15:26] <PetefromTn_> yeah one.
[13:15:27] <R2E4_> or you using collets
[13:15:29] <R2E4_> AH
[13:15:56] <PetefromTn_> ERcollets are quite accurate
[13:16:31] <PetefromTn_> much better than the typical drill chucks. Altho they do make some expensive quality drill chucks.
[13:18:38] <R2E4_> I have a retention stud on my tool holders. You have draw bar or what?
[13:18:46] <PetefromTn_> have you been able to make anything interesting on the machine lately?
[13:19:12] <PetefromTn_> mine uses a retention stud and pneumatic drawbar.
[13:19:30] <R2E4_> I have been testing. Cutting pockets and chamfers and profiles. Just making sure everything is ok.
[13:19:34] <PetefromTn_> just like most VMC's
[13:19:42] <PetefromTn_> good idea..
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[13:20:29] <R2E4_> I have to clean up wiring, make it look nice and neat, and close up. Whats left is the tool changer.
[13:20:46] <PetefromTn_> Once I get the lawn mowed here today my goal is to finish some machine projects I am working on and then sometime this weekend get that damn encoder mount machined finally.
[13:21:15] <R2E4_> I need to figure out an encoder for my spindle
[13:21:32] <PetefromTn_> I cannot wait to get the toolchanger and rigid tapping working.
[13:21:49] <PetefromTn_> Oh I thought your machine had that built into the motor/drive package?
[13:22:13] <R2E4_> The machine was able to rigid tap and tool change etc.... I am being told with linuxcnc you cant unless you have encoder into Lcnc.
[13:22:33] <R2E4_> IT does have it built in.
[13:22:35] <PetefromTn_> huh I wonder how it was accomplished initially.
[13:23:14] <PetefromTn_> I suppose for LinuxCNC to be able to track the movment it MUST have that feedback.
[13:23:17] <R2E4_> encoder goes directly into spindle drive. Spindle drive outputs analog into old controller and opld controller was able to use that
[13:23:44] <PetefromTn_> aah... Will it be difficult to affix an encoder?
[13:23:47] <R2E4_> I am sure it would work, I just dont know Lcnc enough
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[13:24:22] <R2E4_> Directly attached to the spindle is a fan. I think underneath the fan I will be able to add spindle.
[13:24:34] <PetefromTn_> that is exactly like mine...
[13:24:59] <PetefromTn_> Mine had an resolver mounted atop the actual motor and an electric fan built into the cooling enclosure atop that.
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[13:25:23] <R2E4_> I havent had the heart to take the servo apart....hehe
[13:26:00] <PetefromTn_> I will be using the environmental housing and wire covering for the new encoder just building a mount that goes underneath it from 3/4 aluminum 6061 plate.
[13:26:16] <R2E4_> I have three weeks to put some kind of lock on the machine. The city paid a visit the other day.
[13:26:37] <PetefromTn_> You do not have to take it apart right just remove the fan?
[13:26:45] <PetefromTn_> HUH what do you mean put a lock on it?
[13:27:12] <R2E4_> They said so someone cannot flip the breaker and operate the machine.
[13:27:24] <PetefromTn_> Interesting..
[13:27:37] <PetefromTn_> You intend to put a keylock on it?
[13:27:48] <_methods> did you tell them that you can't stop natural selection?
[13:27:49] <PetefromTn_> My Cincinatti Had a keylock on the control panel
[13:28:02] <R2E4_> I am going to put a biometric fingerprint reader on it....
[13:28:04] <PetefromTn_> it made it impossible to enable the drives.
[13:28:09] <R2E4_> I have a few of them.
[13:28:51] <R2E4_> I could just put a login for linux
[13:28:53] <PetefromTn_> You should have told them that you doubt anyone else could run it as it is on LinuxCNC LOL..
[13:29:31] <R2E4_> no, no I was ok with that. I had one fire extinguisher hidden away in the corner. He didnt see that.
[13:29:41] <R2E4_> HE could have nailed me on a million things.
[13:29:53] <PetefromTn_> Big Brother..
[13:29:56] <_methods> yeah better not to rock the boat with inspectors
[13:30:00] <_methods> just nod and smile
[13:31:16] <R2E4_> HE was really ok, We stood in front of the machine and I showed hi how it worked.... What I rebuilt etc.... He was ok. Kept his interest on the machine. then he left.
[13:32:10] <R2E4_> I think he wants some things machined. I could see his brain burning.
[13:32:15] <_methods> a fight with an inspector can get expensive real fast
[13:32:20] <PetefromTn_> Well I gotta head out and fix this damn mower..
[13:32:31] <PetefromTn_> cya guys later.
[13:32:34] <R2E4_> C-YA
[13:32:36] <_methods> later pete
[13:32:46] <PetefromTn_> :)
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[13:53:53] <eren_> I would like to ask a question about LinuxCNC and BeagleBoneBlack. My company wants to develop a 3 axis CNC machine with Beagle Bone Black and LinuxCNC. Do you think Beagle Bone Black is suitable for develop a product? because when i run the linuxCNC example program, it handles very slow on the GUİ
[13:54:02] <eren_> what do you think about it?
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[13:54:30] <jdh> what's the projected lifespan of a BBB? Will buy enough spares to handle EOL?
[13:55:03] <jdh> (no clue on your real question, but the graphics are known slow)
[13:57:08] <Jymmm> jdh: I know you're a dive light snob, but when I come across any, you interested?
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[13:57:26] <jdh> thanks, but you probably can't even guess the depths of my snobitude :)
[13:57:30] <_methods> yeah bbb might be fun for a toy or just messin around
[13:57:38] <_methods> but for a real machine probably not so much
[13:57:42] <_methods> or consumer machine
[13:58:06] <Jymmm> jdh: Oh, I'm aware of it... $1000+++++ lol
[13:58:07] <jdh> 3020 style with integrated BBB + stepper drivers/etc
[13:58:14] <_methods> yeah
[13:58:21] <_methods> that would be alright but slow i'm sure
[13:59:24] <jdh> $40 worth of hardware to make it self-contained
[14:00:11] <Jymmm> jdh: I did come across a 20,000 lumen flashlight though =)
[14:00:33] <jdh> yeah. chinese lumens
[14:00:49] <Jymmm> jdh: Noooo, 18 T6 emitters
[14:01:00] <_methods> jeeebus
[14:01:04] <jdh> if you coudl focus that, it might be cool
[14:01:14] <jdh> but, I like a 4-6 degree beam.
[14:01:35] <Jymmm> jdh: Snob away... http://www.dx.com/p/richfire-sf-749-cree-xm-l-t6-8-mode-800lm-white-diving-flashlight-grey-1x26650-1x18650-3xaaa-293320
[14:01:47] <jdh> uhm. dx.
[14:02:03] <Jymmm> jdh: Keep snobbing...
[14:02:52] <jdh> so, my last dive was 280ft deep, and about 2000ft back in a cave.
[14:03:19] <jdh> so the light thing isn't really snobbishness.
[14:03:51] <Jymmm> 20,000 lumens... http://www.kaidomain.com/product/details.S023130#
[14:04:01] <_methods> freshwater cave?
[14:04:07] <jdh> yeah
[14:04:16] <_methods> what altitude you at?
[14:04:37] <jdh> sea level more or less
[14:04:48] <_methods> rebreather dive?
[14:04:58] <jdh> yeah
[14:05:01] <_methods> nice
[14:05:03] <jdh> rEvo
[14:05:04] <Jymmm> jdh: BTW... I didn't say your snobitude isn't justified, just that it exists =)
[14:07:23] <jdh> I've done about the same dive on open circuit. It cost about $300 for gas fills vs. $10 or so for the rebreather.
[14:07:44] <_methods> bubble and caves = :(
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[14:10:43] <Jymmm> I've always had the mindset that when you have to depend on a device, to NOT use rechargeable batteries, especially when in storage for months. But what about Li-Ion batteries (18650, etc), do they have the ability of low internal resistance for 3-6 month storage and reliability vs disposable lithium (CR2 as example) ?
[14:11:06] <_methods> yeah protected 18650
[14:11:18] <Jymmm> why protected?
[14:11:30] <Jymmm> (in this context)
[14:11:35] <_methods> to protect it from over discharge
[14:11:39] <jdh> 3 lights minimum (I take 5) Primary is rechargable. Backups are primary cells with burn time in excess of planned dive time.
[14:11:42] <_methods> if it did discharge
[14:12:27] <Jymmm> _methods: I'm not talking safety, just reliability when stored and needed. In this case is a rail light.
[14:12:49] <_methods> oh well i was just talkin safety
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[14:12:58] <_methods> i'm sure you could use unprotected cells
[14:13:05] <_methods> people do it all the time
[14:13:08] <_methods> but......
[14:13:16] <_methods> why risk it
[14:13:50] <Jymmm> In what respect, protected or disposable?
[14:14:24] <_methods> not sure what you mean ?
[14:14:43] <Jymmm> CR2 (disposable) vs 15270 (rechargeable)
[14:15:00] <_methods> oh the rechargeables
[14:15:08] <_methods> you could use them unprotected if you wanted to
[14:15:48] <Jymmm> _methods: See, you are still on the safety thing, I dont care about that, I'm talking someone breaks i the front door and want to see who I'm about to shoot. ok?
[14:16:56] <Jymmm> I'm looking for reliability here, not safety =)
[14:17:27] <Jymmm> lithium vs Li-Ion
[14:17:35] <Jymmm> that's what I'm not sure about.
[14:17:39] <jdh> I use LiFe in my scooter
[14:18:02] <Jymmm> jdh: I don't know if there is iron versions of CR2
[14:18:18] <jdh> nope
[14:19:20] <Jymmm> Ah CR2 10yr shelflife, vs 2-3yr shelflife
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[14:20:42] <_methods> gotcha
[14:20:45] <_methods> you want shelf life
[14:20:56] <_methods> li-ion is not the way to go then
[14:21:18] <_methods> unless you keep it ona charger next to your bed
[14:21:36] <Jymmm> Well, I never trust battereies to last that long without inspection. Just need 6-9 month
[14:22:06] <_methods> the flames from your shotgun should give you enough illumination to complete themission
[14:22:14] <Jymmm> If I get li-ion, I could just charge and swap every 6 months
[14:22:57] <Jymmm> hand gun actually, but still has a bit of flamage!
[14:23:03] <_methods> right
[14:23:10] <_methods> shoot more to add light
[14:23:19] <Jymmm> lol
[14:23:29] <_methods> tell the cops you had no flashlight
[14:23:35] <_methods> so you used muzzle flash to illuminate
[14:23:46] <_methods> and enlighten
[14:24:45] <Jymmm> I need to retrain myself now, adds a lot of front end weight
[14:26:59] <Jymmm> jdh: SOB.... They DO have LiFePo in the CR2 size, but they are *HALF OR LESS* the mAH
[14:27:17] <Jymmm> jdh: 14430
[14:27:18] <jdh> yeah, for energy density you need Li-ion
[14:27:25] <jdh> for safety, LiFe
[14:27:46] <Jymmm> s/safety/overall life/
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[14:34:42] <eren_> did you develop a product with linuxCNC?
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[14:35:45] <eren_> have you ever developed a product with linuxCNC? if it is possible could you write here a link?
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[14:58:35] <_methods> always look up
[14:58:37] <_methods> http://www.businessinsider.com/mta-metrocard-subway-credit-card-scam-2014-4
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[15:00:48] <Jymmm> And thus why I ALWAYS cover the pin pad =)
[15:01:00] <Connor> R2E4_: This in a commercial shop?
[15:01:19] <Connor> You could always have LinuxCNC boot up and ask for password on boot.
[15:01:42] <R2E4_> Connor, yeah i think thats what I am going to do.
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[15:02:02] <R2E4_> It is in a commercial garage in an industrial park.
[15:02:23] <Connor> Ah. What's wrong with having the fire extinguisher ?
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[15:02:33] <Connor> or was it the fact it was hidden in the corner ?
[15:02:50] <R2E4_> IT was put away, and for the square footage I have with the machines, I would need at least three more....
[15:03:12] <Connor> Ahh.
[15:04:34] <Connor> I'm happy I got my new coolant pump installed and running..
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[15:05:31] <Connor> I just now need to decide how to power it.. if I want to use 12v from the PC PSU with a TIP120 Darlington to turn it on and off..or a external 120V to 12v PSU with a Solid State Relay.
[15:05:32] <R2E4_> What size pump?
[15:05:45] <Connor> Little 800GPH Bilge pump.
[15:06:15] <witnit> wwr
[15:06:17] <witnit> ssr
[15:06:19] <witnit> imo
[15:06:23] <Connor> http://shoreline-marinedevelopment.com/products-bilgepump
[15:06:28] <R2E4_> I like the SSR's.
[15:06:44] <Connor> witnit: Back that opinion with a valid reason. :)
[15:07:33] <Connor> It'll be a tad harder to wire it up with the Wall Wart..
[15:07:35] <witnit> you can control it with the machine or add a switch to turn it on so that way you can clean of flush parts whether you actually are using the machine or not
[15:07:43] <witnit> or*
[15:08:05] <Connor> SSR would have to go inline on the 120v side.. which means putting the Wall Wart and SSR in enclosure and running another 120v line..
[15:09:40] <Connor> I need to take a updated picture of my PC enclosure..
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[15:10:50] <R2E4_> IS it a low voltage input to turn the pump on or is it 120 v it needs?
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[15:11:09] <Jymmm> jdh: Don't know if you care, but found this interesting... http://lygte-info.dk/info/How%20do%20I%20test%20a%20charger%20UK.html
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[15:12:17] <Connor> okay.. had to reboot..
[15:12:19] <Connor> I miss anything?
[15:12:33] <Jymmm> OMG, YES
[15:12:44] <witnit> <R2E4_> IS it a low voltage input to turn the pump on or is it 120 v it needs?
[15:12:52] <witnit> you missed that
[15:12:54] <Connor> As I was saying.. I have 3 120v coming into the enclosure.. 1 for the PC PSU. 1 for the Spindle, and 1 for the Stepper PSU.
[15:12:54] <witnit> I Think
[15:13:15] <Connor> pport can toggle SSR or a TIP120
[15:13:29] <Connor> 12v for pump..
[15:14:13] <Connor> I might be able to tap the 120v on the stepper PSU..
[15:14:43] <Connor> and wire in a SSR and Wall Wart brick..
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[15:14:51] <witnit> well if you already have a hardline in, and it always active just hook your ssr there and run the 12v line back to the pump with you stuff in any one
[15:15:15] <witnit> of the enclosures
[15:15:20] <Jymmm> jdh: Interesting read on TYPES of Li-Ion... http://www.candlepowerforums.com/vb/showthread.php?325456-What-exactly-does-quot-IMR-quot-mean
[15:15:21] <R2E4_> SSR's usually are low voltage to energize 6-30v. Put the SSR in the vicinity of your pump and switch the power.
[15:15:36] <witnit> http://www.ebay.com/itm/WRC-Western-Reserve-Controls-1781-ROXS-Relay-Output-Module-24-Volt-/181224196741?pt=BI_Control_Systems_PLCs&hash=item2a31cdca85
[15:15:39] <witnit> can ytou use that?
[15:15:48] <Connor> the SSR I have is 3-30V on the input side. 120v AC on the output side.
[15:15:56] <witnit> crydom?
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[15:16:51] <Connor> witnit: I have no 24v in my system..
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[15:17:06] <witnit> well cut the 120 line so you arent using your transformer all the time unecessarily
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[15:17:29] <witnit> and just hide all the stuff right in the same box you are running the 120vac and then shoot the 12v lines out
[15:17:56] <_methods> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9DhJZAhjbcI
[15:18:02] <_methods> how bout that for a battery
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[15:18:55] <Connor> _methods: I think that could cause the cell battery to explode if not careful..
[15:18:56] <witnit> he needs gloves :P
[15:20:03] <Connor> Now to find a 12v wall wart that can handle 5amps...
[15:20:11] <Connor> Not sure I have one...
[15:20:13] <witnit> wth webbrowser crashes at every video now
[15:20:59] <Jymmm> Connor: use a bunch of smaller ones =)
[15:21:41] <GuShH_> what exactly is a "floating fit" when the drawings call for 1 thousand interference, by floating it means it's not constricted in any way other than the interference or what exactly is the meaning? I would have thought floating meant 1 thousand down, not up!
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[15:30:58] <Jymmm> Ah, 15266 is the LiFePo4 equiv of CR2
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[16:00:00] <Connor> Jymmm: What's your fascination with batteries and flashlights the past few days ?
[16:00:25] <Jymmm> Connor: I got a new rail light in a few days ago
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[16:01:02] <Jymmm> and I've ALWAYS had an obsession with light in general
[16:01:17] <shaun415> goodmorning
[16:02:47] <Jymmm> Connor: Hell, I've even worked for a R&D company that grows lasers
[16:03:17] <Connor> Oh. okay.
[16:04:02] <Jymmm> Connor: Did you see my latest find?
[16:04:08] <Connor> I dunno.
[16:04:30] <Jymmm> Connor: 20,000 lumen http://www.kaidomain.com/product/details.S023130#
[16:05:07] <Connor> What in the heck would someone need something like that for? To blind them ?
[16:05:43] <Jymmm> SAR, Marine, Sporting, etc
[16:06:44] <Jymmm> You get in the middle of BFE, you dont realize how dark it is with a "typical" flashlight.
[16:08:39] <Jymmm> Before LED flashlights, I have a 2,000,000 candlepower spotlight I plug into the cigar lighter. At dusk I was searching for a lost bird in trees, roofs, etc while driving down the street. It was barely enough light to see anything significantly.
[16:09:02] <Jymmm> ...at a distance that is.
[16:09:17] <Connor> and that's the other thing.. lumen vs candlepower..
[16:09:41] <Connor> how does 2M candle power compare to 20K lumen ?
[16:10:41] <Jymmm> It doesn't, not even close =)
[16:11:03] <Jymmm> “Lumen” is the unit of total light output from a light source.
[16:11:07] <Connor> They're different measurements.. how do you COMPARE them ?
[16:11:12] <Jymmm> “Candlepower” is a measure of lighting concentration in a light beam.
[16:11:17] <Jymmm> Connor: You don't.
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[16:12:32] <Jymmm> Connor: The official unit of candlepower is the “candela,” which is equal to one lumen per steradian. (A steradian is a fraction of the surface area of a sphere that is equal to the square of the radius divided by the total surface area. This is approximately 8% of the total surface area.) This term is rarely used in practical work.
[16:13:15] <Jymmm> But cp was a good marketig thing at the time =)
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[16:15:23] <witnit> we should start a website for active users of the chatroom, with a log of the chatroom and a place for an rss feed of items we found on ebay that are a GREAT buy for someone else if they need it
[16:15:37] <shaun415> yes
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[16:15:56] <witnit> and a wanted list
[16:16:19] <witnit> because right now there are things i want, and Im sure others have found them on ebay.
[16:16:24] <witnit> at the right price
[16:17:02] <Jymmm> http://linuxcnc.mah.priv.at/irc/search?q=ebay&channel=linuxcnc&go=Go
[16:17:40] <witnit> good logs
[16:17:47] <Jymmm> but since ppl are flakes, you also have to include 'fleabay' and just the 8-11 digit numbers too
[16:17:50] <witnit> but need a frame on the right
[16:17:54] <witnit> yep
[16:18:07] <Jymmm> witnit: quit yer bitchin or make it your self =)
[16:18:15] <witnit> Im busy tho jym
[16:18:24] <shaun415> anyone here ever do the gingery thing?
[16:18:24] <Jymmm> witnit: so is everyone else
[16:18:47] <witnit> im making a program that sifts through your .hal file finds your mesa cards and makes schemtics for your outputs =D
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[16:19:21] <witnit> and two machines to finish builds on :)
[16:19:46] <witnit> anyhow someone else is much better with php than myself
[16:20:21] <archivist> the ebay listings just dont last long enough to be catching them, lurk in the channel lazy bums :)
[16:20:53] <witnit> yeah but we dont want a habit of people posting descent buys for ebay right in the room
[16:21:18] <archivist> and sometimes one does not post a fleabay item till one as grabbed it :)
[16:21:38] <Jymmm> lol @ archivist true that!
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[16:21:58] <archivist> and there are many we post as bad examples
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[16:22:18] <Jymmm> ...and entertainment purposes too
[16:22:23] <ben5446> has anyone using 2.5.3 had problems with the tool change command not loading the correct tool number into the #5400 variable after a tool change?
[16:22:23] <witnit> archivist your name suits the job
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[16:53:40] <archivist> clock oils are not suppose to dry and go gummy
[16:53:51] <zeeshan> where do you buy 'clock oil' from
[16:54:42] <archivist> there are also thicker oils used on clock and watch springs
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[16:55:16] <archivist> any clock/watch spares supplier
[16:56:26] <archivist> or for most expensive google moebius
[16:58:05] <zeeshan> http://i.imgur.com/oviisk4.jpg
[16:58:06] <zeeshan> rofl
[16:58:10] <zeeshan> my friend just sent me a pic of his parts washer
[16:58:13] <zeeshan> that grey stuff is ROCK hard
[16:58:34] <Connor> what IS that grey stuff ?
[16:58:42] <zeeshan> no idea haha
[16:58:55] <zeeshan> he cleans automotive parts before powdercoating
[16:59:50] <zeeshan> 'i tried chiseling it'
[16:59:52] <zeeshan> 'hard as fak'
[16:59:54] <zeeshan> ^
[17:00:36] <Connor> Strange.
[17:01:22] <archivist> there is also a separate oil for measuring faces designed to keep from rusting and also be easy to clean off for measuring
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[17:01:45] <archivist> never bought any yet
[17:02:13] <zeeshan> its all from crude oil
[17:02:18] <zeeshan> its prolly just a virgin light oil
[17:03:01] <zeeshan> i have the itch to buy some tools today
[17:03:04] <zeeshan> but no good deal :{
[17:03:05] <archivist> not true, some synthetic some from animals
[17:03:14] <zeeshan> gross
[17:03:21] <zeeshan> you put animal guts on your tools?
[17:03:35] <zeeshan> if it can't be good for your heart, it cant be good for you
[17:03:42] <zeeshan> *your tools
[17:04:02] <archivist> neatsfoot oil
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[17:04:23] <zeeshan> http://www.koat.com/national/bmw-gets-hosed-during-fire/25427070?utm_source=hootsuite&utm_medium=facebook&utm_campaign=koat
[17:04:23] <zeeshan> don
[17:04:28] <zeeshan> don't park in front of fire hydrants
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[17:09:23] <witnit> zeeshan what you wanting to buy
[17:10:21] <archivist> I think, one of each from a tool catalogue :)
[17:11:26] <witnit> I remember the feelings of OMG I WANT THAT! and that... and THAT and those there too!.... happened everytime I looked into the tool room
[17:12:27] <IchGuckLive> witnit: dont go to expo with that feeling
[17:12:58] <witnit> Its just tlike my mind races to every moment where I could have used such a thing..
[17:13:04] <archivist> getting damaged old second hand and restoring is a way to build up a pile of tooling
[17:13:19] <witnit> and I die a little inside knowing I lost so much time doing something the hard way
[17:13:39] <witnit> auctions man
[17:14:01] <witnit> all conditions sometimes NIB scrap prices
[17:14:06] <archivist> the base of my 5 axis came from an auction
[17:14:20] <witnit> like 300$ buy wasnt it?
[17:14:25] <zeeshan> im looking for a mitutoyo height gauge
[17:14:27] <zeeshan> 24"
[17:14:33] <zeeshan> theyre stupid expensive
[17:14:35] <archivist> about £10
[17:14:45] <witnit> what kind of base you talking?
[17:14:53] <witnit> vernier okay?
[17:14:56] <zeeshan> no
[17:14:58] <witnit> or dial or what?
[17:14:58] <archivist> the X Y part
[17:14:59] <zeeshan> digital
[17:15:01] <witnit> ahh
[17:15:11] <witnit> need a digital out on it?
[17:15:15] <zeeshan> height gauges are typically 0.001" resolution
[17:15:21] <zeeshan> so its okay to have digital encoders on it in my opinion
[17:15:47] <witnit> you need the option to port the gauge to another source with cable?
[17:15:54] <zeeshan> no
[17:15:57] <witnit> k
[17:15:59] <zeeshan> just a basic height gauge
[17:16:04] <archivist> it is hiding under the ally http://www.collection.archivist.info/archive/DJCPD/PD/2008/2008_01_19_cnc/P1190004.JPG
[17:16:05] <zeeshan> i'd settle with a 12" one
[17:16:08] <zeeshan> if its cheap enough
[17:16:24] <zeeshan> archivist:
[17:16:29] <zeeshan> where do you get that BEEFY angle plate from
[17:16:38] <witnit> ohhh I expected a big cnc
[17:16:39] <witnit> hahaha
[17:16:48] <kb8wmc> lol
[17:17:08] <archivist> noo its is small but imperfectly formed
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[17:17:29] <witnit> this is a VERY ridgid machine
[17:17:32] <witnit> good job
[17:17:42] <archivist> zeeshan, so long ago I cannot remember
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[17:18:04] <witnit> good choices in base, now you can add more to it and not worry about problems
[17:18:21] <witnit> did you machine dovetails yourself?
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[17:18:43] <archivist> well one of those two axes could not handle the off centre loads and has been replaced
[17:19:29] <archivist> no the dovetails were off the measuring machine that the base is was part of
[17:19:41] <witnit> good find
[17:19:41] <zeeshan> archivist: do you have starrett micrometers and mitutoyo?
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[17:20:17] <ben5446> cradek, i figured out the problem. there was a sensor on the to detect the tool changer arm swinging out of the way. The sensor was not making contact so the tool change was never completed
[17:20:24] <archivist> starrett micrometers no, mitutoyo yes
[17:20:32] <zeeshan> have you used a starrett before?
[17:20:51] <zeeshan> i sold the starretts, ive been using them for the last little while
[17:20:58] <zeeshan> and the lock mechanism is retarded
[17:21:06] <archivist> not a micrometer, but other starrette tools yes
[17:21:17] <zeeshan> i dunno if you know this but
[17:21:34] <zeeshan> http://media.midwayusa.com/productimages/880x660/Primary/581/581575.jpg
[17:21:44] <zeeshan> but that knurled knob is the lock
[17:21:47] <zeeshan> its quite annoying to use vs
[17:22:05] <zeeshan> http://headway-tech.com/shop/16-56-thickbox/mitutoyo-outside-micrometer-25-50mm.jpg
[17:22:06] <archivist> the Moore and Wright has a similar lock
[17:22:17] <zeeshan> its really annoying to use..
[17:22:25] <zeeshan> cause you're trying to use your thumb to really twist it
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[17:22:41] <zeeshan> where as with the mitutoyo you have the torque arm to help
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[17:23:43] <archivist> the accidental rotation of the screw is a mistake
[17:24:14] <zeeshan> are yours ratchet type mechanism
[17:24:18] <zeeshan> or friction thimble
[17:24:32] <archivist> I have both
[17:24:38] <zeeshan> what do you perfer
[17:25:28] <archivist> neither, see http://www.collection.archivist.info/searchv13.php?searchstr=bench+micrometer
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[17:25:41] <zeeshan> haha
[17:25:42] <zeeshan> what the hell
[17:25:56] <archivist> there is an anvil force guage
[17:26:09] <zeeshan> thats intense.
[17:26:27] <archivist> down to 4 microns iirc
[17:26:51] <zeeshan> http://www.kijiji.ca/v-hand-tool/london/micrometer-mitutoyo-dial-indicator/580290157?enableSearchNavigationFlag=true
[17:26:54] <zeeshan> that kind of looks like that?
[17:27:11] <zeeshan> actually it doesnt
[17:27:14] <zeeshan> but yea. :p
[17:28:12] <zeeshan> good way to measure shim stock
[17:28:21] <zeeshan> feeler gauges
[17:28:24] <archivist> starrett version http://www.collection.archivist.info/searchv13.php?searchstr=Starrett+thickness+gauge
[17:28:43] <zeeshan> thats a work of art.
[17:28:51] <archivist> that was outdoors in a scrap yard
[17:29:06] <zeeshan> archivist: hunt stuff or me :{
[17:29:08] <zeeshan> *for
[17:29:14] <archivist> got it just in time before it got too rusty
[17:29:27] <zeeshan> i'm going to visit the two local flea markets today (havent been there before)
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[17:29:58] <witnit> http://images1.hellotrade.com/data2/VJ/HU/HELLOTD-1807813/dovetail-250x250.gif I have 6 of these I been saving for projects
[17:30:12] <witnit> like 6" wide
[17:30:17] <witnit> maybe8" I forget
[17:30:31] <archivist> same day found this too http://www.collection.archivist.info/searchv13.php?searchstr=PD9354
[17:31:35] <archivist> witnit, you could make a small measuring machine with them
[17:32:05] <witnit> well, I need a servo based cross slides for my ACME-Gridleys
[17:32:08] <zeeshan> how dose that work?
[17:32:16] <zeeshan> you press it into a material on a surface plate?
[17:32:37] <XXCoder1> it looks like it uses that loop
[17:32:37] <witnit> but I dont have any gearboxes/motors to do it with :/
[17:32:58] <XXCoder1> you put it around something and use that knob I guess
[17:33:00] <zeeshan> i see a lever on the bottom
[17:33:19] <XXCoder1> no idea really lol
[17:34:11] <archivist> zeeshan, it has a small indenting probe in one of its feet
[17:34:23] <zeeshan> ah
[17:34:36] <XXCoder1> that loops probably so it can be attached to something
[17:34:37] <witnit> that thickness gauge is awesome
[17:34:37] <XXCoder1> ?
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[17:35:59] <witnit> wait, what are you guys asking about on "<zeeshan> how dose that work?"
[17:36:24] <zeeshan> don't retype my typo
[17:36:25] <zeeshan> ;[
[17:36:29] <witnit> oh ahahah
[17:36:50] <witnit> what item were you asking about though?
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[17:36:56] <zeeshan> the hardness meter thing
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[17:37:43] <witnit> oh
[17:37:49] <zeeshan> hi archivist
[17:37:52] <zeeshan> http://www.collection.archivist.info/showresult.php?prog=1&srcprog=searchv13.php&srcdata=title&Type=PD&Accn_no=9372&subject=26710
[17:37:54] <zeeshan> you don't need that
[17:37:57] <zeeshan> you should send that to me
[17:38:50] <archivist> along with the height guage I suppose.....NO
[17:38:57] <zeeshan> haha
[17:39:05] <zeeshan> http://www.kijiji.ca/v-business-industrial/kitchener-waterloo/machinist-retiring/582696286?enableSearchNavigationFlag=true
[17:39:08] <zeeshan> im going to visit this guy today too
[17:39:13] <zeeshan> and see if he's got anything of interest.
[17:40:04] <archivist> fill your car
[17:40:06] <witnit> take pictures zeeshan
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[17:40:18] <zeeshan> yessir
[17:40:21] <witnit> I may buy things from you or trade for like... I dunno an arbor press
[17:40:28] <zeeshan> haha
[17:40:31] <witnit> :)
[17:40:44] <zeeshan> starting tonight, no more tool buying
[17:40:50] <zeeshan> its back to converting lathe to cnc
[17:40:56] <zeeshan> im so close to getting it moving
[17:40:59] <witnit> same with me tomorrow
[17:41:13] <witnit> must do up my dsm-a
[17:41:20] <witnit> that will be such a fun build
[17:41:26] <zeeshan> dsm-a?
[17:41:31] <zeeshan> diamond star motors? :P
[17:41:38] <witnit> noooo
[17:41:44] <witnit> look up hardinge dsm-a
[17:41:51] <witnit> it has hydraulic slides :P
[17:41:59] <zeeshan> oo turrent lathe
[17:42:02] <witnit> yes
[17:42:37] <witnit> http://www.superiormachinery.com/display_machine.php?ref=5061&wc=22#captcha
[17:42:44] <witnit> there are good pictures there I think
[17:43:21] <witnit> imchanging the turret out for a gange style XY
[17:43:40] <zeeshan> are you converting that to cnc?
[17:43:43] <witnit> yah
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[17:43:57] <witnit> but the slides will stay hydraulic with pneumatic return
[17:44:03] <zeeshan> interesting
[17:44:04] <witnit> for heavy form tools
[17:44:15] <zeeshan> looks like a beefy machine
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[17:44:29] <XXCoder1> "auto screw" lol
[17:44:29] <witnit> then a spot drill , pickoff and profile and bore on the turret space
[17:44:30] <zeeshan> 3,000lb
[17:44:31] <zeeshan> lol
[17:44:42] <zeeshan> 220v 3 phase
[17:44:45] <zeeshan> you're putting a vfd on it?
[17:45:00] <witnit> no, it has a reverse and brake already via relays
[17:45:04] <witnit> and spindle speed change
[17:45:12] <zeeshan> ah
[17:45:13] <witnit> I will not waste the money on such things
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[17:45:25] <zeeshan> i dont have 3 phase power @ home
[17:45:25] <zeeshan> ;[
[17:45:42] <witnit> I got that machine and dv-59 for $500
[17:45:56] <witnit> nice rusty pair for the garage
[17:46:15] <zeeshan> :)
[17:46:17] <zeeshan> good deal
[17:46:33] <witnit> yeah I could gut the machines relays and make my money back if I wanted
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[17:48:27] <witnit> Aero-Tec2: do you know much about AEROTECH BA servo amps by chance?
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[17:55:10] <witnit> to the shop I go wish me good fortune!
[17:55:21] <XXCoder1> good luck
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[18:09:27] <zeeshan> off i go
[18:09:30] <zeeshan> WISH ME LUCK
[18:09:34] <zeeshan> GOOD TRADING!
[18:09:39] <XXCoder1> good luck
[18:09:42] <zeeshan> =]
[18:10:45] <archivist> do we rewrite the actors break a leg to break a drill
[18:10:53] <Jymmm> Unique Japanese light bulbs… https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5cOjZVi8BT8
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[18:14:44] <_methods> thanks to led's and global warming their likes will never be seen again
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[18:20:40] <XXCoder1> too bad
[18:20:46] <Jymmm> Eh, there are still useful.
[18:20:52] <Jymmm> they're*
[18:21:14] <Jymmm> 40W in a chicken coop is a perfect heater.
[18:21:32] <Jymmm> Also good for dummy loads
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[18:21:47] <cradek> ben5446: yay! thanks for telling me you figured out the problem.
[18:22:09] <Jymmm> 1000W halogen vs 80W LED https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Puw5812DSzA
[18:22:28] <_methods> noooooooooooo
[18:22:34] <_methods> you're causing global warmng
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[18:22:48] <Jymmm> Somebody has to
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[19:12:13] <Jymmm> This is the proprietary battery for streamlight flashlights, bothe pos and neg terminals are on the same end... http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51nmaPunDAL._SL1500_.jpg
[19:12:58] <Jymmm> Can anyone thik of a way to make an adapter that I could use for Li-Ion batteries (it uses Ni-Cad)
[19:13:17] <Jymmm> primarily the contacts and alignment
[19:14:06] <_methods> looks like 3 cells stacked in series
[19:14:40] <Jymmm> _methods: Again... you hit the wrong subject. Dont care about the electronics, just the mechanical
[19:14:43] <_methods> i'm guessing there's a wire in there coming from neg back to that cap
[19:15:40] <_methods> just take the cap of that
[19:15:42] <_methods> or copy it
[19:15:49] <Jymmm> copy it how?
[19:15:54] <_methods> use the same design and stick a liion in there
[19:16:04] <Jymmm> what materials?
[19:16:14] <Jymmm> how to insulate them?
[19:16:40] <_methods> well with no dimensions it's hard to say
[19:16:51] <_methods> all i have is a picture to look at
[19:17:08] <Jymmm> dims are irrelevant
[19:17:11] <_methods> but from what i can see it looks like 3 subc cells in parallel
[19:17:21] <_methods> in seriies
[19:17:25] <_methods> not parallel
[19:17:59] <_methods> how can dims be irrelevant
[19:18:06] <_methods> that determines what fits in there
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[19:21:38] <XXCoder1> only max dims matter
[19:21:38] <_methods> but anyways mechanically you just need 2 contacts insulated from each other
[19:21:47] <_methods> run a wire to the center contact
[19:21:57] <_methods> make a disk out of delrin
[19:22:01] <XXCoder1> if regular AA is smaller you could make adoptor or something
[19:22:02] <_methods> or some other insulater
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[19:23:20] <Jymmm> What contact material? How do you insulate them? How do you align them during assembly? How do you fasten the contacts together? How to connect the wiring?
[19:25:37] <Jymmm> those are the quesitons I've been trying to figure out in a simplistic manner.
[19:26:16] <_methods> ok
[19:26:18] <_methods> one sec
[19:26:50] <_methods> make a puck like this out of and insulator (i.e. rubber, delrin)
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[19:26:55] <_methods> http://3dfile.io/N3VoPX#file-1
[19:27:09] <_methods> hole in center run lead to metal tabe
[19:27:10] <_methods> tab
[19:27:25] <_methods> slot in side run wire up side of battery to 2nd metal disk
[19:27:35] <_methods> now you have 2 contact points
[19:27:37] <_methods> on same side
[19:27:50] <Jymmm> contact material?
[19:27:50] <_methods> insulated from each other
[19:27:55] <_methods> steel
[19:27:56] <_methods> nickel
[19:28:05] <_methods> whatever conductive you want
[19:28:06] <_methods> copper
[19:28:08] <_methods> gold
[19:28:10] <Jymmm> not steel, rusts.
[19:28:12] <_methods> beryllium
[19:28:20] <Jymmm> copper oxidizes
[19:28:25] <Jymmm> O_o
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[19:29:09] <_methods> the conductive metal of your choosing
[19:29:25] <_methods> they typically make battery tabs out of nickel mix
[19:29:40] <Jymmm> chrome plated I believe
[19:29:51] <Jymmm> fancy are the silver plated ones
[19:29:56] <Jymmm> no oxidation
[19:29:56] <_methods> nickel plated steel
[19:30:23] <Jymmm> never seen that on the shelfs
[19:30:34] <Jymmm> shelves
[19:30:37] <_methods> me either i don't know shit about batteries
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[19:31:22] <Jymmm> Hows much of a pita is it to solder a wire to SS ?
[19:31:37] <_methods> hrmm no idea
[19:31:42] <_methods> should work
[19:31:46] <_methods> guess i'll try when i get home
[19:31:58] <Jymmm> wait, I may not need to solder.
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[19:32:48] <Jymmm> If I make a flat delrin disc, get a SS screw and thread the center of the disc for the center contact, then
[19:33:13] <_methods> now you're using your noodle
[19:33:26] <Jymmm> a ss washer for the outside, I could just thread two more holes and attach the wire there
[19:33:34] <Jymmm> as well as use them for mounting
[19:33:59] <Jymmm> Now, just to find that washer will be a bitch!!!
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[19:34:28] <Jymmm> thick walled, large ID
[19:36:19] <_methods> ju8st get one with and OD you like and drill out the center
[19:36:54] <Jymmm> that might work too.
[19:37:02] <XXCoder1> strip to - side, tiny adoptor at +?
[19:37:05] <_methods> probably be easier to find
[19:37:11] <_methods> yeah
[19:37:17] <_methods> strip runs up side
[19:37:18] <XXCoder1> you'd be careful to surround + dample but somehow isyulate
[19:37:23] <_methods> that's hwo they do it in those packs
[19:37:40] <XXCoder1> maybe as simple as paint? lol
[19:37:44] <_methods> you can get thin nickel strip to run up the side of the battery pack
[19:38:01] <_methods> they sell insulated nickel strips for that purpose i believe
[19:38:07] <_methods> like magnet wire
[19:38:08] <XXCoder1> cool
[19:38:18] <_methods> you just clean off the ends b efore you solder them
[19:38:21] <XXCoder1> if has cnc can always mill out of thin nickel sheet lol
[19:38:35] <XXCoder1> paint correct areas then bend it to shape
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[19:40:17] <_methods> you could always use 2 sided copper pcb and make it that way too
[19:40:25] <_methods> ah nm
[19:40:37] <_methods> pain to insulate
[19:40:40] <XXCoder1> cant bend em I wouldnt think
[19:41:02] <XXCoder1> yeah paint and nickel seems simplest lol
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[19:43:51] <_methods> i don't know the correct terminology for the wire they use to connect parallel cells
[19:44:12] <_methods> they make a thin flat wire that's insulated for connecting cells
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[19:45:38] <XXCoder1> dunno too
[19:45:39] <Jymmm> not necessary, will use a single Li0Ion cell instead of 3x1.2V pack.
[19:45:55] <_methods> well good deal
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[19:46:19] <XXCoder1> easier
[19:46:28] <XXCoder1> just need to somehow move - front
[19:46:42] <XXCoder1> with more room you could easily make adoptor
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[19:54:37] <shaun416> helllo
[19:55:31] <XXCoder1> heyyy
[19:56:17] <shaun416> so, Ive been doing more reasearch
[19:56:28] <shaun416> It seems that these desktop lathes are limited
[19:56:54] <XXCoder1> well your opions is save up longer or buy desktop model
[19:57:09] <shaun416> Right
[19:57:20] <shaun416> Even the tooling on the desktop ones are pricy though
[19:59:40] <XXCoder1> yeah. what machines does you have already though?
[19:59:57] <XXCoder1> too bad its not a lathe. you can make most machines out of lathe
[20:01:07] <shaun416> i have no real machines
[20:01:13] <shaun416> I have 3d printers...
[20:01:18] <shaun416> but they arent real machines
[20:01:29] <XXCoder1> yeah unless they print metal its useless
[20:01:34] <shaun416> yes
[20:01:36] <XXCoder1> for toolmaking anyway
[20:01:40] <shaun416> fun toys though
[20:01:41] <shaun416> :p
[20:01:48] <XXCoder1> I do want one
[20:02:00] <shaun416> cool
[20:02:50] <shaun416> I mean the desktop lathes are nice
[20:02:53] <shaun416> and good price
[20:02:55] <shaun416> good size
[20:02:59] <shaun416> do what i want
[20:03:18] <shaun416> i was recommended to stay away and save my pennies
[20:03:28] <XXCoder1> can one make much larger lathe out of that lathe?
[20:03:32] <XXCoder1> I wonder
[20:03:37] <shaun416> idk...
[20:03:57] <shaun416> its a 3.5x17
[20:04:07] <shaun416> or 3.5x8
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[20:04:18] <shaun416> 30lbs
[20:04:51] <XXCoder1> is it type that stock can be fitted though chuck?
[20:04:56] <XXCoder1> hard to explain
[20:04:59] <shaun416> ?
[20:05:07] <shaun416> dont think so
[20:05:11] <XXCoder1> so it can hold material much longer than lathe
[20:05:19] <shaun416> dont believe so
[20:05:50] <XXCoder1> no such thing as 8020 project for lathe, I looked.
[20:05:55] <shaun416> ah
[20:06:38] <shaun416> http://www.sherline.com/4400pg.htm
[20:07:16] <shaun416> it has a through hole through the spindle im told
[20:07:35] <XXCoder1> limited size
[20:07:39] <shaun416> indeed
[20:07:47] <shaun416> its meant for model engineering
[20:07:51] <shaun416> minatures
[20:08:07] <XXCoder1> 17 on long thickness 3.5 dim
[20:08:13] <shaun416> yes
[20:08:15] <XXCoder1> pretty small
[20:08:23] <shaun416> can only through feed aboout 3/8th
[20:08:24] <XXCoder1> fun maybe lol but too expensive for me
[20:08:28] <shaun416> I agree
[20:08:35] <_methods> yeah it has 10mm spindle bore
[20:08:37] <shaun416> Id much prefer an old southbend or something
[20:08:48] <shaun416> but I cant find any
[20:08:48] <XXCoder1> maybe you can get lucky with college
[20:08:55] <shaun416> and dont know what to look for
[20:09:06] <XXCoder1> I once saw GIANT lathe left alone for years at college I attended
[20:09:15] <XXCoder1> probably would sell for couple thousand
[20:09:28] <_methods> a school is your best bet
[20:09:31] <XXCoder1> would need massive repairs
[20:09:33] <_methods> and will cost you nothing
[20:09:38] <XXCoder1> well
[20:09:42] <XXCoder1> besides fuel and time yes
[20:09:55] <shaun416> I have a school
[20:10:01] <shaun416> the shop is always being used
[20:10:03] <XXCoder1> if you cant afford gas you shouldnt buy a lathe ;)
[20:10:12] <shaun416> I share it with 60k students...
[20:10:24] <_methods> 60k students?
[20:10:29] <shaun416> Ive tried. tools are never available...
[20:10:37] <shaun416> well, 4000 engineering students..
[20:11:01] <_methods> hrmm
[20:11:06] <humble_sea_bass> what
[20:11:13] <humble_sea_bass> 4000?
[20:11:16] <XXCoder1> thats huge
[20:11:18] <shaun416> I even took the saftey class
[20:11:20] <_methods> that's a lot of engineers
[20:11:23] <shaun416> and then try to use it
[20:11:25] <XXCoder1> college I went barely had 10 lol
[20:11:28] <shaun416> and its never available...
[20:11:30] <humble_sea_bass> not in my america
[20:11:39] <XXCoder1> actually 40 or so, I thinj. I wasnt one of em
[20:11:40] <humble_sea_bass> what college
[20:11:44] <shaun416> rutgers
[20:11:51] <humble_sea_bass> dog don't even go there
[20:11:56] <shaun416> 60k students
[20:12:02] <XXCoder1> enginner is not "popular" in usa
[20:12:07] <humble_sea_bass> I've been in the rutgers shop, it isn't that bad
[20:12:17] <shaun416> Ive tried to use it
[20:12:32] <_methods> and?
[20:12:37] <_methods> they kicked you out?
[20:12:38] <shaun416> Nothing was available
[20:12:43] <humble_sea_bass> are you a member of SAE/ASME?\
[20:12:45] <_methods> they don't have a sign up sheet
[20:12:59] <shaun416> hmm?
[20:13:18] <shaun416> in any case...
[20:13:24] <shaun416> I do want my own regardless
[20:13:24] <humble_sea_bass> join SAE and ASME, knock some beers with those guys, build shit with them
[20:13:38] <humble_sea_bass> why buy when you can learn for free
[20:13:38] <XXCoder1> theres hacker space ships
[20:13:40] <XXCoder1> shops
[20:13:45] <_methods> exactly
[20:13:48] <shaun416> hmmm
[20:13:50] <XXCoder1> dunno what those shops has but..
[20:13:53] <humble_sea_bass> XXCoder1: this is NJ, they don't even have traffic signs
[20:14:01] <_methods> who am i to stop you from spending your money though
[20:14:04] <XXCoder1> lol visited NJ twice
[20:14:09] <humble_sea_bass> i'm sorry
[20:14:12] <shaun416> we dont have space ships
[20:14:12] <XXCoder1> didnt get jobs I interviewed for lol
[20:14:34] <XXCoder1> actually no, once. its maryland thats twice
[20:15:04] <humble_sea_bass> shaun416: join SAE, http://rfr.rutgers.edu/
[20:15:10] <humble_sea_bass> it will change your fucking life
[20:15:11] <shaun416> :/
[20:15:28] * shaun416 is not a social guy
[20:15:33] <humble_sea_bass> trust me they can get you in front of any machine tool with the quickness
[20:15:44] <shaun416> Oh RFR
[20:15:46] <shaun416> NO WAY
[20:15:51] <humble_sea_bass> SEA isn't social, it is about spergin on a car
[20:15:51] <shaun416> Im not doing that
[20:15:56] <shaun416> I hate people in that club
[20:16:17] <humble_sea_bass> hate is a strong word
[20:16:20] <shaun416> good
[20:16:59] <shaun416> some people are very annoying
[20:17:03] <shaun416> did you go to RU?
[20:17:31] <humble_sea_bass> no, I dated someone there though, she was a landscape architect
[20:17:37] <shaun416> i see
[20:17:43] <_methods> oh a pot head lol
[20:17:44] <humble_sea_bass> I was across the river in manhattan
[20:18:12] <shaun416> I want to lathe to make products
[20:18:14] <shaun416> to sell
[20:18:25] <shaun416> Cant really use school equip regurally for that
[20:18:30] <humble_sea_bass> anyways, don't let your social anxieties keep you from learning some shit
[20:18:34] <shaun416> Im also 30 min away... and dont live there
[20:19:25] <humble_sea_bass> you can get the prototyping done for free at school, then move on to buying your own equiptment
[20:19:37] <shaun416> I dont need to prototype...
[20:19:37] <_methods> ^^
[20:19:42] <shaun416> I have a design
[20:19:53] <humble_sea_bass> you're not the only shady guy who has used school equipment to make money
[20:20:12] <shaun416> I dont want to do it because its not convenient
[20:20:21] <shaun416> Its too far away to go everday
[20:20:23] <humble_sea_bass> well then, you should go on shark tank
[20:22:14] <_methods> hell if you have a proven design take it to a real shop
[20:22:27] <_methods> have them makeit for you until you can buy your own equipment
[20:22:30] <shaun416> meh
[20:22:31] <humble_sea_bass> ^^ truth ^^
[20:22:40] <shaun416> Id rather make it myself...
[20:23:12] <humble_sea_bass> having an autism attack over the *perfect* machine is moot because you'll never find it
[20:23:22] <shaun416> I see
[20:24:09] <shaun416> so lets focus on finding a lathe...
[20:24:14] <humble_sea_bass> there are limitiations, be they money, weight, space etc -- engineering is about threading the needle of your boundary conditions
[20:24:23] <shaun416> Yes
[20:24:28] <shaun416> I cant have one too big
[20:24:36] <shaun416> tabletop is my only option really
[20:25:01] <shaun416> as much as I want a monarch10ee
[20:25:35] <humble_sea_bass> smart money says find a tabletop, one that doesn't belong to you, and see if you can make your part in a reasonable amount of time, with reasonable quality outcomes
[20:25:46] <shaun416> I see
[20:25:56] <shaun416> meh
[20:25:57] <_methods> go to your local hackerspace
[20:26:06] <_methods> someone there may have a machine meeting your specs
[20:26:08] <shaun416> if i buy from CL
[20:26:13] <humble_sea_bass> and if you can do that with that lathe, then spend the money, if not you bought a fucktarded lathe that doesn't meet your needs
[20:26:13] <shaun416> it didnt belong to me
[20:26:31] <shaun416> thats why Im asking eperineced people what to buy
[20:26:57] <humble_sea_bass> find one you can use for a prototype run, to see if it will work at reasonable quality/speed to justify the cost
[20:27:07] <humble_sea_bass> I can almost assure you it won't
[20:27:17] <shaun416> heh?
[20:27:23] <humble_sea_bass> but if you're just looking to learn
[20:27:45] <shaun416> I dont care if it takes 3hrs to make one
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[20:29:08] <_methods> well then
[20:29:11] <_methods> hobby lathe
[20:29:16] <humble_sea_bass> if you are overwhelmed by the engineering machine shop, go to physics and look at theirs
[20:29:31] <_methods> harbor freight or grizzly lathe
[20:29:55] <shaun416> wel
[20:30:04] <humble_sea_bass> http://njaes.rutgers.edu/machine-shop/
[20:30:06] <shaun416> would a larger lathe allow me to make bigger items?
[20:30:09] <shaun416> or just faster?
[20:30:14] <humble_sea_bass> agricultural has bridgeports
[20:30:17] <shaun416> I meant te opposite
[20:30:58] <shaun416> why not sherline _methods ?
[20:31:08] <_methods> any bench lathe
[20:31:12] <_methods> they're all about the same
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[20:31:35] <shaun416> hmmm
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[20:31:45] <shaun416> would a larger lathe cut faster?
[20:31:50] <humble_sea_bass> i've seen floppy dildos more rigid than the sherline lathe
[20:31:57] <shaun416> really?
[20:31:58] <_methods> you said you don't care how long it takes
[20:32:05] <shaun416> Well I do to an extent
[20:32:15] <humble_sea_bass> oh so the truth comes out
[20:32:19] <shaun416> yes
[20:32:27] <shaun416> But I dont need a professional lathe
[20:32:43] <_methods> well it all goes back to this one famous equation
[20:32:47] <_methods> time = money
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[20:33:10] <_methods> you want a machine that makes a part in less time
[20:33:12] <shaun416> yes
[20:33:15] <_methods> you gonna pay MONEY
[20:33:24] <shaun416> I know
[20:33:29] <shaun416> I could start cheap
[20:33:33] <shaun416> and get better...
[20:34:18] <humble_sea_bass> its friday, i'm gonna go pick up a six pack, get on the subway, get home, drink it, and then look at this channel again
[20:34:27] <shaun416> Ill still be here
[20:34:30] <humble_sea_bass> I expect the circular handwringing to be over
[20:34:30] <shaun416> guarunteed
[20:34:56] <shaun416> http://littlemachineshop.com/info/minilathe_compare.php
[20:34:58] <humble_sea_bass> engineer up and make a decision, and live with it
[20:35:00] <shaun416> look at this!
[20:35:43] <shaun416> of course a 7x12 is better than 3.5x17?
[20:35:49] <XXCoder1> it dont list prices
[20:36:23] <humble_sea_bass> bigger numbers always= better
[20:37:16] <humble_sea_bass> that's what i'v been taught. so is something is caled the Whatever 1000 and the whatever 2000, logic dictates that 2000 is better
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[20:37:41] <shaun416> http://littlemachineshop.com/4200
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[20:37:45] <shaun416> ooks nice...
[20:37:50] <jdh> blood pressure?
[20:37:55] <XXCoder1> not too expensive too
[20:37:58] <XXCoder1> 1050
[20:37:59] <shaun416> hmm
[20:38:05] <shaun416> a bit over budget...
[20:38:11] <syyl_ws> i bet you can get a real lathe for that money
[20:38:18] <shaun416> thats the thing...
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[20:39:59] <shaun416> I mean
[20:40:02] <shaun416> its 120lbs
[20:40:17] <shaun416> thats better than sherlines 30
[20:40:59] <shaun416> can you make mini stuff on a real lathe?
[20:41:12] <syyl_ws> define mini
[20:41:39] <shaun416> that size^
[20:41:44] <syyl_ws> i had no problems drilling smaller than 1mm on a weiler prakticant lathe
[20:41:51] <Deejay> gn8
[20:41:52] <syyl_ws> or turning stuff that small in diameter
[20:41:57] <shaun416> I need to drill .25
[20:42:00] <shaun416> mm
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[20:42:44] <shaun416> 7x12 means 7in diamater?
[20:42:48] <shaun416> 12 in lenght?
[20:42:52] <syyl_ws> yes
[20:42:55] <shaun416> OK
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[20:43:45] <shaun416> looks like a modernized atlas crafstmasn
[20:44:00] <shaun416> digital readouts.
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[20:47:54] <shaun416> http://littlemachineshop.com/4100
[20:48:01] <shaun416> heres the one w/o DRO
[20:52:33] <shaun416> thoughts?
[20:53:39] <shaun416> Can I make my own lathe :p?
[20:53:56] <_methods> yep
[20:53:57] <_methods> gingery
[20:54:26] <Connor> shaun41 Micromark 7x16
[20:54:39] <shaun416> Is gingery a good idea/.
[20:54:46] <Connor> http://www.micromark.com/microlux-7x16-mini-lathe,9615.html
[20:55:16] <shaun416> Im thinking I may need something larger
[20:55:27] <shaun416> I mean,, making parts for cars and such seems fun
[20:57:34] <Connor> for $1k your not going to get much bigger unless you go used.
[20:57:41] <_methods> wow that micromark is kinda nice
[20:57:51] <_methods> got halfnut too?
[20:58:09] <Connor> all the 7x do. they can all thread
[20:58:13] <_methods> nice
[20:58:27] <Connor> that one is just higher quality than the grizzly and harbor freight models.
[20:58:33] <_methods> yeah
[20:58:44] <_methods> i just got an x2 to convert
[20:58:48] <shaun416> hmm
[20:58:57] <_methods> i might do one of those micromarks after that
[20:58:57] <shaun416> Im fine with used
[20:59:00] <shaun416> TBH
[20:59:19] <syyl_ws> i had a mini lathe
[20:59:21] <syyl_ws> it was ok
[20:59:27] <syyl_ws> did pretty much work on it
[20:59:27] <_methods> for $1k you better be fine with it lol
[20:59:38] <shaun416> Im more than fine
[20:59:45] <syyl_ws> i went for a 9x20 after that
[20:59:45] <_methods> it's your only option heheh
[20:59:53] <shaun416> yes
[20:59:57] <shaun416> I just need to find one
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[21:01:30] <_methods> http://jerseyshore.craigslist.org/tls/4411598493.html
[21:02:07] <shaun416> hm
[21:02:10] <_methods> http://jerseyshore.craigslist.org/tls/4415629011.html
[21:02:28] <_methods> http://jerseyshore.craigslist.org/tls/4388329041.html'
[21:02:56] <_methods> http://newyork.craigslist.org/brk/hvo/4417641868.html
[21:03:22] <_methods> http://newjersey.craigslist.org/tls/4418207372.html
[21:03:30] <shaun416> heh i know the guy selling that enco
[21:04:00] <XXCoder1> last nes pretty large for sub 1k
[21:04:01] <_methods> nice little tsugami
[21:04:05] <_methods> http://newyork.craigslist.org/fct/tls/4402204417.html
[21:04:07] <XXCoder1> 1';x3'
[21:04:54] <shaun416> hmmm
[21:04:59] <_methods> ah the grand mastah
[21:05:02] <_methods> http://newyork.craigslist.org/fct/tls/4416909451.html
[21:05:05] <_methods> south bend
[21:05:16] <shaun416> damn
[21:05:38] <shaun416> thats huge
[21:05:45] <_methods> i hear that alot
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[21:05:52] <shaun416> :/
[21:06:22] <_methods> off to eat some dinner
[21:06:23] <_methods> peace
[21:06:27] <shaun416> that micromark looks nice...
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[21:23:29] <shaun416> Hmmm
[21:23:38] <shaun416> anyonew have littlemachineshop experience?
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[21:30:00] <jdh> you send them money, they send you toys
[21:30:29] <shaun416> hmm
[21:30:31] <shaun416> toys?
[21:31:26] <jdh> toys for me.
[21:31:32] <shaun416> hmm
[21:31:34] <shaun416> you use them?
[21:32:08] <jdh> I have bought stuff from them.
[21:32:15] <shaun416> a lathe?
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[21:32:36] <jdh> oh, no... just stuff for lathes and mills. I can't afford their machines
[21:32:42] <shaun416> ahh
[21:32:51] <shaun416> is there a cheaper lathe?
[21:33:06] <jdh> grizzly, harbor freight
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[21:33:31] <shaun416> hmmm
[21:33:34] <jdh> what size?
[21:33:35] <shaun416> hf isnt crap?
[21:33:44] <shaun416> I dont need anythingt too big
[21:33:48] <andypugh> This is a really neat idea: http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?UpdatingConfigurationsForDevelopmentVersions
[21:33:53] <shaun416> i just want something decent
[21:33:58] <andypugh> Sorry, wrong link, let me try that again
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[21:34:18] <shaun416> Ill also need a mill eventually...
[21:34:23] <andypugh> http://thepihut.com/products/adafruit-pcb-ruler-6
[21:36:33] <shaun416> jdh, ?
[21:37:02] <jdh> yes?
[21:37:08] <shaun416> idk?
[21:37:22] <shaun416> thought you were talking.
[21:37:44] <jdh> they are mostly all made in teh same factory. Some spec better quality perhaps.
[21:38:02] <jdh> but, if you tear them down and clean them yourself, they are about the same.
[21:38:12] <shaun416> I see...
[21:38:26] <jdh> I paid $239 new for a HF 7x lathe. I'd rather have that than nothing.
[21:38:26] <shaun416> so a 400 dollar hf is just as good as a 1000 ?
[21:39:08] <jdh> one you have is better than one you wish you had.
[21:39:26] <jdh> a 7x lathe is better than nothing.
[21:39:38] <shaun416> yes
[21:39:44] <shaun416> some may say its not though
[21:39:45] <jdh> the LMS one is much bigger.
[21:39:55] <jdh> (longer)
[21:39:58] <shaun416> no its a 7x
[21:40:01] <shaun416> 7x16
[21:40:10] <jdh> it is 8 inches longer than the cheap HF one
[21:40:18] <shaun416> Ah
[21:40:25] <shaun416> but it must be lower quality?
[21:40:50] <jdh> arguing quality on various 7x lathes is kind of pointless
[21:41:09] <jdh> yes, it is probably lower quality as shipped, but it's not like either of them is good.
[21:41:10] <shaun416> ?
[21:41:15] <shaun416> i see
[21:41:22] <shaun416> so why buy something that is not good?
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[21:41:43] <shaun416> GuShH_, !!!
[21:41:43] <jdh> for me, something not-so-great is better than not having one.
[21:42:16] <jdh> so, now I have 4 not-very-good lathes, 2 of which are HF 7x ones.
[21:42:32] <shaun416> i see
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[21:42:35] <shaun416> It is cheap...
[21:45:00] <Jymmm> jdh: If you combine all 4, would that make a Super Shitty one?
[21:45:18] <andypugh> I have a cheap 7x lathe, and it is perfectly capable of making good parts.
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[21:45:40] <Jymmm> andypugh: how may tons does it weight?
[21:45:42] <andypugh> But it’s a shock to the system any time I go back to proper lathe.
[21:45:43] <Jymmm> many*
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[21:46:22] <andypugh> I lifted my 7x out of the crate and onto the bench myself.
[21:46:23] <Connor> jdh: The Micromart one is a bit better quality than the HF or grizzly.
[21:46:36] <Connor> I would say MM and LMS are on pare, then grizzly, then HF
[21:46:44] <Jymmm> andypugh: ah =)
[21:47:12] <andypugh> Actually, mine is a 9x, but that just means a thicker foot on the tailstock really.
[21:47:15] <Connor> hf has 7x10, 7x12, not sure if they have the 7x14
[21:47:24] <Connor> MM is the ONLY one that has a 7x16
[21:47:25] <andypugh> The bed is even more “too narrow”
[21:47:50] <andypugh> Mine is a 9x40 So it is also too long for its own good as well as too high :-)
[21:48:20] <Connor> Grizzly has a 7x12 and 7x14
[21:48:53] <andypugh> This is mine. http://www.ecvv.com/product/2797578.html
[21:49:04] <andypugh> Don’t. Just don’t :-)
[21:49:08] <shaun416> ?
[21:49:34] <Jymmm> andypugh: That loks HF'ish
[21:49:38] <Jymmm> looks*
[21:49:46] <shaun416> hmmm
[21:49:55] <shaun416> Idk
[21:50:07] <shaun416> the micromark and LMS look nice...
[21:50:39] <Connor> http://littlemachineshop.com/3536
[21:50:43] <Connor> that one is really nice.
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[21:50:58] <shaun416> well
[21:51:02] <shaun416> the smaler one,...
[21:51:12] <shaun416> 7x12
[21:51:15] <Connor> but, for $1.6k go for http://www.grizzly.com/products/10-x-22-Bench-Top-Metal-Lathe/G0602
[21:51:18] <_methods> yeah that's pretty nice bench lathe
[21:51:22] <_methods> $1700
[21:51:23] <shaun416> I cant afford 1.6
[21:51:25] <shaun416> no way
[21:51:51] <andypugh> Buy used.
[21:52:05] <shaun416> OK
[21:52:07] <Connor> or http://www.grizzly.com/products/8-x-16-Variable-Speed-Lathe/G0768
[21:52:08] <shaun416> where....
[21:52:11] <andypugh> Ad preferably something made in the 1960s.
[21:52:30] <shaun416> yes
[21:52:34] <shaun416> can I get it cheaper/
[21:52:37] <shaun416> under 1000?
[21:52:41] <shaun416> 500 or so :p?
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[21:54:22] <andypugh> This would be nice: http://www.ecvv.com/product/2797578.html
[21:54:29] <andypugh> Sorry, I keep doing that
[21:54:35] <andypugh> http://www.ebay.com/itm/HARDINGE-HLV-TOOLROOM-LATHE-VS-ELECTRONIC-FEEDS-Collett-Closer-3-Jaw-Chk-/271444992688?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3f3361e2b0
[21:54:38] <andypugh> Is the one I meant
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[21:56:34] <Einar> I second that. It is probably not possible to wear a Hardinge down to the quality level of a chinese lathe.
[21:59:08] <shaun416> WAY to big
[21:59:13] <andypugh> There is a lot here, and the price is right at the moment: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Southbend-Lathe-9-Accessories-Attachments-Extra-Headstock-Motor-NO-RESERVE-/400691871513?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item5d4b18bf19
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[22:30:11] <shaun416> That does look nice andypugh
[22:30:15] <shaun416> Is that a good one?
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[22:30:48] <shaun416> how do you measure on that?
[22:31:18] <andypugh> It’s quite old, flat-belt drive is pretty old-school. But the good thing is that they weren’t afaid to put metal in things back then.
[22:32:09] <shaun416> Yeah...
[22:32:28] <shaun416> is that easy to clean up?
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[22:33:22] <andypugh> It might be one of these: http://www.lathes.co.uk/southbend9-inch/index.html
[22:34:02] <shaun416> I mean could I easily restore it?
[22:34:16] <andypugh> It look sprety clean. The slides look encouragingly clean. The paint would probably clean up with a bit of white spirit on a rag.
[22:34:36] <shaun416> hm ok
[22:34:59] <andypugh> The handles are shiny too. I think it has been in use weeks ago at the most.
[22:35:37] <shaun416> Hmm
[22:35:40] <shaun416> interesting
[22:36:18] <andypugh> That stand at the back looks like the one here: http://www.lathes.co.uk/southbend9-inch/page9.html
[22:36:31] <shaun416> missing some parts
[22:36:55] <shaun416> http://s6.photobucket.com/user/mcruff/media/Southbend%20lathe/Lathe.jpg.html
[22:36:56] <shaun416> see
[22:37:00] <shaun416> thats a complete one
[22:37:23] <andypugh> What do you think is missing?
[22:37:31] <Jymmm> link
[22:37:31] <_methods> those are great lathes
[22:37:33] <shaun416> part in the front right
[22:37:37] <shaun416> left reather
[22:37:39] <shaun416> rather
[22:37:39] <_methods> hands down
[22:37:49] <shaun416> _methods, http://www.ebay.com/itm/Southbend-Lathe-9-Accessories-Attachments-Extra-Headstock-Motor-NO-RESERVE-/400691871513?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item5d4b18bf19
[22:37:50] <andypugh> The screwcutting box was an option, it looks like the eBay one never had one.
[22:37:51] <shaun416> this?
[22:38:09] <shaun416> Can I make it look like that...
[22:38:17] <shaun416> Looks a bit rsuty
[22:38:20] <shaun416> rusty
[22:38:56] <andypugh> I think it would clean up.
[22:39:08] <shaun416> hm
[22:39:11] <shaun416> is it electric??
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[22:39:46] <_methods> sure
[22:39:56] <andypugh> Yes, it comes with a motor and layshaft
[22:40:05] <shaun416> Hmm
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[22:40:58] <_methods> extra headstock too
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[22:42:19] <_methods> that toolpost though heheh
[22:42:23] <_methods> replace that right away
[22:42:42] <shaun416> whats that?
[22:42:45] <shaun416> whats a toolpost?
[22:42:57] <_methods> heh
[22:43:02] <_methods> now you're trollin
[22:43:05] <shaun416> No im not
[22:43:08] <shaun416> Im new to lathes
[22:43:45] <shaun416> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n-pFPFNoMzI
[22:43:52] <shaun416> I want to do this :)
[22:43:59] <shaun416> thats beautiful
[22:44:06] <andypugh> If you want your lathe to be shiny and pretty, perhaps yo uneed one of these; http://www.lathes.co.uk/rivett/page2.html
[22:44:43] <shaun416> <3
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[22:46:11] <_methods> they don't make em like that anymore
[22:46:23] <shaun416> I agree
[22:46:28] <shaun416> thats a bid though
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[22:46:31] <shaun416> price will go up
[22:46:51] <andypugh> I have a Rivett as an room decoration: https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/-gcVaCprBDw1urh2GG3DmNMTjNZETYmyPJy0liipFm0?feat=directlink
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[22:47:11] <shaun416> nice...
[22:47:18] <shaun416> _methods, there are no dials?
[22:47:21] <shaun416> how do you measure
[22:47:50] <_methods> heh
[22:47:56] <_methods> with an indicator and a magnet
[22:48:14] <shaun416> hmmm...
[22:48:15] <_methods> like a boss
[22:48:24] <shaun416> that seems bad
[22:48:27] <shaun416> less accurate
[22:48:32] <_methods> what?
[22:48:34] <shaun416> idk
[22:48:39] <_methods> less accurate than a dial indicator lol
[22:48:43] <shaun416> Idk
[22:48:44] <andypugh> There are dials, but they are quite small.
[22:49:02] <_methods> mighty mag and a 6" dial
[22:49:06] <_methods> get to work
[22:49:07] <andypugh> One drawback of the older lathes.
[22:49:11] <shaun416> ?
[22:49:23] <shaun416> I dont want to spend too much....
[22:49:28] <shaun416> I need it to be precise too
[22:49:38] <_methods> you're in the wrong hobby then
[22:49:46] <_methods> go try squash
[22:49:50] <shaun416> not a hobby
[22:49:50] <_methods> or badminton
[22:49:56] <shaun416> trying to make it a business
[22:49:56] <andypugh> I reckon that the old SB will be more precise than the Chinese thing.
[22:50:16] <_methods> 1000x more precise
[22:50:46] <shaun416> Hmm why?
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[22:51:07] <_methods> good iron
[22:51:11] <shaun416> I see
[22:51:14] <_methods> quality craftsmanship
[22:51:59] <andypugh> Unless, of course, it is worn out.. Hard to tell just from eBay photos.
[22:52:12] <shaun416> Yes
[22:52:35] <andypugh> Refurbishment is possible, but not free.
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[22:54:44] <shaun416> i see
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[23:24:02] <shaun416> so
[23:24:09] <shaun416> Oh hey tjb1
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[23:24:54] <tjb1> You troll this channel too?
[23:25:06] <shaun416> I dont troll
[23:25:10] <tjb1> Idiot.
[23:25:18] <shaun416> OK
[23:25:36] <shaun416> So Im looking at the littlemachineshop or a microlux
[23:25:41] <shaun416> any opinions?
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