#linuxcnc | Logs for 2014-04-05

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[14:06:49] <R2E4> mornin
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[14:19:27] <miss0r> goodmornin'
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[14:58:58] <OldMrHindsight> tjtr33: http://hothardware.com/News/Stratasys-Launches-Objet500-Connex3-Worlds-First-MultiMaterial-Color-3D-Printer/
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[15:02:08] <OldMrHindsight> "There are 8 print heads that can handle build layers as small as 16 microns" what they don't mention is the drop volume
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[15:07:27] <OldMrHindsight> http://www.gizmag.com/stratasys-color-multi-material-3d-printer/30613/ $330K
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[15:09:18] <zeeshan|2> hi
[15:11:39] <humble_sea_bass> fuck skiing
[15:12:16] <zeeshan|2> why
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[15:13:44] <humble_sea_bass> it is wet and grey all aroubd sub optimal. at the bar at the base of the mountain
[15:14:03] <zeeshan|2> fak winter in general
[15:14:04] <zeeshan|2> !
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[15:22:25] <Loetmichel> zeeshan|2: its 17.1°c here outside ;-)
[15:22:33] <zeeshan|2> :)
[15:22:37] <Loetmichel> and i am in germany ;-)
[15:22:48] <zeeshan|2> 0C here
[15:22:51] <Loetmichel> and a sunny day
[15:23:06] <zeeshan|2> starting sunday it will be in the double digits
[15:23:08] <Loetmichel> with only a few clouds
[15:23:43] <Loetmichel> the car has said 21°c outside on the grocerys run a fet hrs ago
[15:23:46] <Loetmichel> few
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[15:30:04] <miss0r> I have 5 degrees and rainy&snowy = Danish summer!
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[15:38:02] <tjtr33> Denmark http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y1VuKvB4yxA Germany http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pvylxN7ibso&list=PL27s6ccRnO40zVG8e-5z6v1TvWQhB2rnv USA http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZwzY1o_hB5Y
[15:38:03] <tjtr33> get outside!
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[15:44:00] <miss0r> tjtr33, I don't care how pretty the nature might be... at the moment it is cold & rainy.. Ant stuff isn't really all that green yet ;)
[15:44:39] <miss0r> also, I am milling the surface of my vacuum table at the moment.
[15:45:59] <miss0r> in addition I am working on designing a sign saying 'World class idiot' for a buddy of mine ;)
[15:46:03] <tom_R2E3> ubuntu wants to do a "distribution upgrade" which is 900mb, is that ok? Or will linuxcnc get upset?
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[15:53:36] <Loetmichel> it will get upset unless you install the right rt kernel again afterwards
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[16:02:10] <tom_R2E3> ok
[16:02:25] <tom_R2E3> no upgrade it is then!
[16:02:27] <tom_R2E3> thank you
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[16:06:40] <motioncontrol> Hi at all. I don't understant because if i write g64
[16:06:40] <motioncontrol> g0 x0 y0
[16:06:40] <motioncontrol> g2 i10 f1000
[16:06:40] <motioncontrol> g2 i10 f1000
[16:06:40] <motioncontrol> m2 the motion not stop when finisch first circle, but if i write g64
[16:06:41] <motioncontrol> g0 x0 y0 z0
[16:06:43] <motioncontrol> o100 repeat[2]
[16:06:45] <motioncontrol> g91 g2 z5 i10 f1000
[16:06:47] <motioncontrol> o100 endrepeat
[16:06:49] <motioncontrol> m2 the motion stop at first finished circled and after remove. can help me ?
[16:07:27] <motioncontrol> i thing g64 not fuction in sub ?
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[16:10:49] <archivist> try using a pastebin with a repeatable bit of complete code
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[16:11:17] <IchGuckLive> hi all B)
[16:11:20] <zeeshan|2> hi archivist
[16:11:20] <zeeshan|2> :D
[16:12:06] <archivist> hooomeee
[16:12:16] <zeeshan|2> you need to help me figure out
[16:12:18] <zeeshan|2> some stuff!
[16:12:35] <archivist> do I!
[16:12:38] <zeeshan|2> yessir
[16:12:42] <archivist> oh
[16:12:43] <zeeshan|2> you're the resident archivist
[16:12:46] <zeeshan|2> you know all
[16:12:52] <archivist> no I dont
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[16:13:05] <tjtr33> (yet)
[16:13:28] <zeeshan|2> ARE YOU READY???!!?
[16:13:43] <zeeshan|2> http://i.imgur.com/BmuDq1V.jpg
[16:13:44] <archivist> run out of brain cells error
[16:13:46] <zeeshan|2> image @1
[16:13:54] <zeeshan|2> 'no. 2. starrett micrometer'
[16:14:02] <zeeshan|2> the anvils change from 0 to 1 and 1 to 2
[16:14:09] <zeeshan|2> never seen this type on the starrett website?
[16:14:22] <humble_sea_bass> zeeshan|2: how much did you post the kennedy box for
[16:14:42] <archivist> as does mine http://www.collection.archivist.info/showresult.php?prog=1&srcprog=searchv13.php&srcdata=title&Type=PD&Accn_no=9395&subject=26733
[16:15:01] <zeeshan|2> well new, both the sections go for like 500$
[16:15:12] <zeeshan|2> so i'd prolly be happy with getting 180 for both the boxes
[16:15:19] <zeeshan|2> theyre in pretty nice condition
[16:15:28] <zeeshan|2> archivist: so with this type of micrometer
[16:15:31] <humble_sea_bass> where are you again? Thunder bay?
[16:15:35] <zeeshan|2> you just change the anvil and then have to recalibrate?
[16:15:41] <zeeshan|2> humble_sea_bass: near toronto .. im in hamilton
[16:15:43] <archivist> meh, Starrett new prices are just silly
[16:15:58] <zeeshan|2> archivist: those priceses are for the felt lined kennedy boxes
[16:16:08] <humble_sea_bass> check how much shipping would be to 10010
[16:16:19] <archivist> if you look at my moore and wright set it comes with standards
[16:16:19] <zeeshan|2> L0R 1W0 is postal code
[16:16:26] <humble_sea_bass> america
[16:16:26] <zeeshan|2> archivist: yes
[16:16:48] <zeeshan|2> http://i.imgur.com/yFnojf3.jpg
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[16:17:01] <zeeshan|2> oktheres 2 things in this pic idont know what they are
[16:17:05] <zeeshan|2> left to the depth gage
[16:17:11] <zeeshan|2> and bottom to the depth gage
[16:17:31] <zeeshan|2> bottom to the depth gauge looks like something that measures angles?
[16:17:35] <zeeshan|2> it goes from o to 90
[16:17:48] <tjtr33> i looked at the 'key with dial' thingy looks like a depth gauge
[16:18:15] <tjtr33> it goes 0 to 100
[16:18:15] <archivist> the with a dial is a rpm measuring device
[16:18:20] <zeeshan|2> 0 to 100
[16:18:24] <zeeshan|2> ah
[16:18:42] <zeeshan|2> 100 rpm increments
[16:18:58] <tjtr33> is this april 1?
[16:18:58] <archivist> use a watch and keep in contact for a set period, probably a minute
[16:19:12] <zeeshan|2> tjtr33: hah
[16:19:21] <zeeshan|2> okay whats that slotted weird gauge thing?
[16:19:24] <zeeshan|2> i have no clue what it is
[16:19:32] <archivist> 100 rpm per minute
[16:20:04] <archivist> a form of bevel gauge
[16:20:24] <humble_sea_bass> jesus christ canada post is expensive
[16:20:55] <zeeshan|2> archivist: yea it looks like a bel gauge
[16:20:58] <zeeshan|2> bevel
[16:21:08] <zeeshan|2> will investigate further
[16:21:24] <zeeshan|2> http://i.imgur.com/7OhX0Ql.jpg
[16:21:33] <zeeshan|2> the middle two scales (big one and small one)
[16:21:48] <zeeshan|2> are those wire measurement gages?
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[16:22:04] <tjtr33> unfold the last element inside the pocket-knife like thing & take another pic
[16:22:12] <archivist> or for clock spring measurement
[16:22:42] <archivist> I see two clock spring things there
[16:23:24] <zeeshan|2> i dont see any clock springs
[16:23:24] <zeeshan|2> ;p
[16:23:33] <tjtr33> the dogbone holes have a c-sink on one end, are those threaded?
[16:23:37] <archivist> nickname for the taper slot is pivot breaker
[16:24:21] <zeeshan|2> tjtr33: thats just a hook scale
[16:24:23] <zeeshan|2> in that pouch
[16:24:24] <archivist> it is for measuring the thickness of watch/clock springs
[16:24:50] <zeeshan|2> interesting
[16:24:54] <zeeshan|2> i don't think ill be ever using those
[16:24:56] <archivist> the thing with slots on the sides is a spring height measurement
[16:25:22] <zeeshan|2> that was my next question
[16:25:24] <zeeshan|2> haha
[16:25:35] <archivist> unless the wording on it states awg etc
[16:25:44] <zeeshan|2> lemme go take a closer look
[16:26:03] <archivist> makers name helps
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[16:28:53] <zeeshan|2> it does not say awg on it
[16:29:04] <zeeshan|2> the little gauge is adrill gage
[16:29:15] <zeeshan|2> i didnt see it closely before, but it says drill gage on it -- i guess for extremely tiny drill bits
[16:29:24] <zeeshan|2> that taper looking thin says 'martin fils'
[16:29:45] <zeeshan|2> and looks like its got threads in each hole
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[16:30:14] <zeeshan|2> googling that shows something to do with watch makers screw gauge
[16:30:58] <tjtr33> fils = wire in french?
[16:31:27] <zeeshan|2> fils = son in french
[16:31:28] <zeeshan|2> :)
[16:31:31] <archivist> here are some the camera could not be arsed to focus on http://www.collection.archivist.info/archive/DJCPD/PD/2014/2014_04_05_tools/IMG_1795.JPG
[16:31:53] <zeeshan|2> yes
[16:31:57] <zeeshan|2> is that a wire gauge chart
[16:32:06] <zeeshan|2> wire gage i mean
[16:32:07] <zeeshan|2> or spring gage
[16:32:17] <zeeshan|2> that one has no markings on it in terms of makers mark
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[16:32:47] <tjtr33> martin fils, one for sale on ebay
[16:33:02] <archivist> mine had martin on the rear
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[16:33:20] <zeeshan|2> this is a martin fils #60
[16:33:21] <zeeshan|2> i think
[16:33:48] <zeeshan|2> okay, all this watch makers stuff is useless to me :{
[16:33:56] <archivist> 100ths of a mm left and Dtr on the right
[16:33:56] <tjtr33> ebay is yelling, not me "ANTIQUE WATCH CLOCK MAKERS SCREW THREAD GAUGE PLATE MARTIN FILS No 22 SWISS"
[16:34:02] <R2E4_> hi guys
[16:34:09] <zeeshan|2> haha tjtr33 @ ebay yelling
[16:34:36] <zeeshan|2> i have any layout tools
[16:34:37] <zeeshan|2> finally
[16:34:55] <zeeshan|2> http://imgur.com/5EMMGfW
[16:35:08] <zeeshan|2> i was really looking for inside ones
[16:35:21] <zeeshan|2> cause you can measure internal o-ring grooves quickly with them
[16:36:31] <zeeshan|2> i still don't know what this definitively:
[16:36:33] <zeeshan|2> http://i.imgur.com/mVMpLyr.jpg
[16:36:35] <zeeshan|2> middle of the picture
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[16:36:37] <zeeshan|2> top
[16:36:39] <R2E4_> archivist: Those clock gears on your site, are you making them?
[16:36:42] <zeeshan|2> its some sort of caliper
[16:37:12] <zeeshan|2> its a starrett and it says No.426 on it
[16:37:18] <zeeshan|2> but when i google that, it comes up w/ micrometer set.
[16:37:40] <R2E4_> zeeshan|2: you studying someone else toolbox? lol
[16:38:01] <zeeshan|2> R2E4: no, i bought a tool box mainly for other stuff
[16:38:09] <zeeshan|2> but this is the extras im trying to identify
[16:38:32] <zeeshan|2> i think that caliper is called a 'caliper square'
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[16:38:43] <zeeshan|2> its just a small vernier caliper i guess?
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[16:40:12] <tjtr33> duh, fill is latin for thread
[16:40:25] <zeeshan|2> ah
[16:40:52] <zeeshan|2> last question
[16:41:08] <zeeshan|2> http://i.imgur.com/7hQLGat.jpg
[16:41:10] <zeeshan|2> those round things
[16:41:13] <zeeshan|2> what the heck are those?!
[16:42:49] <tjtr33> looks like tube clamp, tube sits on inside v, clamp sits on outside flats, screw pins tube to v
[16:43:44] <tjtr33> the guy does seem to have watchmaker type tools, so thats a hint
[16:44:31] <zeeshan|2> he worked at TRW
[16:44:45] <zeeshan|2> trw automotive
[16:44:49] <zeeshan|2> machinist there
[16:44:56] <zeeshan|2> im not sure why he has watch makers stuff
[16:44:56] <archivist> R2E4_, I do make gears when asked
[16:45:28] <archivist> the other site http://gears.archivist.info/
[16:46:18] <zeeshan|2> archivist: you could use these gauges
[16:46:19] <zeeshan|2> :P
[16:46:35] <zeeshan|2> and some money
[16:46:39] <zeeshan|2> for a nice level?!:! :)
[16:46:40] <zeeshan|2> haha
[16:46:49] <zeeshan|2> this box came with a level
[16:46:55] <zeeshan|2> but its a no. 98
[16:47:03] <zeeshan|2> so only good to 0.005"
[16:47:16] <archivist> 5 thou in what
[16:47:22] <zeeshan|2> 8 inches
[16:47:35] <zeeshan|2> i _think_
[16:47:35] <archivist> 10 inches/10ft
[16:47:35] <zeeshan|2> http://i.imgur.com/mVMpLyr.jpg
[16:47:44] <zeeshan|2> left
[16:48:06] <zeeshan|2> http://www.starrett.com/metrology/product-detail/Precision-Measuring-Tools/Precision-Hand-Tools/Machinsts-Levels/Levels/98-8
[16:48:06] <archivist> that should be quite usable
[16:48:09] <zeeshan|2> .005 per foot
[16:48:13] <zeeshan|2> seems like
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[16:48:38] <zeeshan|2> 0.0002 seems more appealing ;[
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[16:49:19] <tjtr33> TRW = Thompson Ramo Wooldridge never knew what trw stood for
[16:49:26] <zeeshan|2> th anks for your help archivist + tjtr33
[16:49:31] <zeeshan|2> back to organizing garage :)
[16:49:40] <archivist> I have to have a panic tidy as someone is coming later ....
[16:49:51] <zeeshan|2> haha
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[16:50:29] <Loetmichel> archivist: in german there is a proverb: "und ist der ruf erst ruiniert, lebts sich gänzlich ungeniert"
[16:50:34] <archivist> I only ever get to .0000001% tidy
[16:50:51] <Loetmichel> meaning: once your reputation is down the drauin you dont have to look out for it ;-)
[16:51:17] <humble_sea_bass> that's great
[16:53:19] <humble_sea_bass> what's the name of that mill simulator
[16:55:53] <tjtr33> openscam(free , shows final result), or cncsimulator(free closed src shows actively), or predator( closed, pay-for, live )?
[16:56:07] <tjtr33> lots more in the commercial side
[16:56:25] <humble_sea_bass> i was trying to recall cncsim. thx
[16:59:28] <XXCoder1> openscam does show result if not live
[16:59:49] <XXCoder1> it also replays toolpath so its not too bad
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[17:05:18] <archivist> or use vismach in linuxcnc to see your machine move but no cut simulation
[17:05:55] <XXCoder1> I wonder if theres any cnc simulator that would show if cnc was cutting material too slow to fast
[17:05:57] <XXCoder1> or
[17:07:09] <Tom_itx> i doubt it
[17:07:30] <XXCoder1> yeah doubted it. or very expensive
[17:07:35] <Tom_itx> that's the knowledge a good machinist should have
[17:07:46] <XXCoder1> yeahtoo bad I arent one
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[17:08:54] <Tom_itx> http://www.onsrud.com/plusdocs/Doc/index.html?model.code=FeedSpeeds
[17:08:57] <Tom_itx> http://zero-divide.net/index.php?page=fswizard&shell_id=199&load_tool_id=27011
[17:09:05] <Tom_itx> learn from those
[17:09:37] <Tom_itx> http://www.daycounter.com/Calculators/GCode/Feed-Rate-Calculator.phtml
[17:09:50] <XXCoder1> yeah has those as favorites. thanks/
[17:10:28] <XXCoder1> my first inital ones will be cut on scrap wood
[17:11:02] <XXCoder1> oh a random question - you guys ever got mice come in and live in car?
[17:11:11] <XXCoder1> I just got rid of mine, and wondered how common it was
[17:14:10] <IchGuckLive> marder ;-) and lots of corn
[17:15:23] <PetefromTn_> http://imagebin.org/303945 Just got some pictures back from a customer that I machined those wheels for...
[17:16:17] <PetefromTn_> http://imagebin.org/303946
[17:16:21] <XXCoder1> whats it for
[17:16:35] <XXCoder1> looks like survey thingy
[17:16:46] <Tom_itx> he gonna shoot his Yamaha?
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[17:18:56] <PetefromTn_> http://www.pimpmyairgun.com/download/file.php?id=3243&mode=view this is the rifle it is going on....
[17:19:31] * JT-Shop wonders if he will actually get any work done today or not
[17:19:34] <tjtr33> the book is "field target shit"?
[17:19:46] <XXCoder1> oh
[17:20:02] <XXCoder1> guy wanted more sensive control I guess
[17:20:03] <Tom_itx> JT-Shop, time for a spring BBQ
[17:20:11] <Tom_itx> no work today
[17:21:02] <tjtr33> oh shiessen = shoot
[17:21:16] <JT-Shop> been making fixtures and rigging up and fixing this and that trying to powder coat some parts
[17:22:25] <Tom_itx> do you have to charge the material for the powdercoat to stick?
[17:28:17] <JT-Shop> yea, you hook a clip onto the the fixture that they hang from
[17:28:34] <Tom_itx> what sort of voltage does it take?
[17:29:10] <JT-Shop> 30KV - 50KV so you don't want to stick your tongue on it while it is on
[17:29:26] <Tom_itx> i figured high voltage low current
[17:29:49] <Tom_itx> DC?
[17:29:58] <JT-Shop> yea
[17:31:27] <Tom_itx> i worked at a place that had a paint line similar to that
[17:31:34] <Tom_itx> not powder coat though
[17:34:24] <PetefromTn_> You can do your own powdercoating for pretty cheap Tom if you want... You can buy guns from eastwood and Sears Craftsman that work rather well for pretty cheap and cure the parts in a used toaster oven.
[17:34:48] <Tom_itx> no, just curious about the process
[17:34:59] <Tom_itx> i'd just take it to a local shop if i had anything
[17:35:14] <PetefromTn_> me too but it is fun to play with.
[17:36:39] <JT-Shop> I use a pottery kiln for an oven
[17:37:00] <PetefromTn_> man it does not need to get that hot....
[17:37:07] <Tom_itx> what temps do you bake it at?
[17:37:16] <Tom_itx> like 400f?
[17:37:21] <Tom_itx> less...
[17:37:41] <PetefromTn_> the kiln probably has great temp control tho.
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[17:43:20] <zeeshan|2> 400F is on the high side
[17:43:26] <zeeshan|2> my friend owns trgcoatings.com
[17:43:41] <zeeshan|2> you need an air compressor air dryer
[17:43:52] <zeeshan|2> parts washer, sand blaster
[17:44:05] <zeeshan|2> oven and gun
[17:44:16] <zeeshan|2> so it adds up pretty quick =P
[17:46:15] <archivist> under the dust and crap at my local powder coating co was a Southbend
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[17:46:58] <archivist> I asked, I got, after a small fee of £125 :)
[17:47:20] <zeeshan|2> you get some crazy deals man.
[17:47:20] <zeeshan|2> :P
[17:47:25] <zeeshan|2> Can you find me a proper level?!?!
[17:47:25] <archivist> 20-30 years ago so was not all that cheap
[17:47:27] <zeeshan|2> for cheap!
[17:47:28] <zeeshan|2> oh
[17:48:03] <archivist> sounds better if you ignore inflation
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[17:49:06] <archivist> deals take a lifetime of waiting for them to pop up
[17:49:43] <zeeshan|2> the thing is
[17:49:47] <zeeshan|2> they come and go really quick
[17:50:02] <zeeshan|2> that kijiji deal was up for 2 hours
[17:50:04] <zeeshan|2> and i got it:D
[17:50:20] <archivist> you had fun with that chest, keep watching
[17:50:39] <zeeshan|2> i really need 3 things
[17:51:03] <archivist> 4 dont forget the money to pay for it all
[17:51:04] <zeeshan|2> height gage, a starrett precision pin set, proper level
[17:51:05] <zeeshan|2> okay 4
[17:51:07] <zeeshan|2> angle plates
[17:51:08] <zeeshan|2> haha
[17:51:11] <zeeshan|2> 5 then i guess
[17:51:21] <zeeshan|2> i located a person selling two 10" identical angle plates
[17:51:22] <zeeshan|2> for $80
[17:51:37] <archivist> you level is proper, just it is workshop grade
[17:51:39] <zeeshan|2> but i don't wanna buy em till i sell the kennedy boxes empty first
[17:51:46] <zeeshan|2> archivist: i want lab grade
[17:51:51] <zeeshan|2> proper is lab grade in my eyes :D
[17:52:05] <zeeshan|2> the level i have i think will work good for setups
[17:52:06] <archivist> you will want the draws later for the extra goodies
[17:52:23] <zeeshan|2> i have tons of empty drawerrs still
[17:52:27] <zeeshan|2> in the big kennedy box i got
[17:52:58] <archivist> empty draw is an error, fill
[17:54:29] <archivist> draws that wont close is another error, more draws needed
[17:54:38] <zeeshan|2> haha
[17:54:58] <zeeshan|2> if i keep these two kennedy boxes
[17:55:01] <zeeshan|2> gf is gonna take em from me
[17:55:08] <zeeshan|2> and store her jewellery nonsense in there
[17:55:13] <zeeshan|2> which is in my opinion a crime!
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[18:11:00] <gene_> Awful quiet, you could hear a pin drop.
[18:11:22] <IchGuckLive> ;-)
[18:11:33] <IchGuckLive> all tirered after a full workday
[18:11:39] <IchGuckLive> tons of steel
[18:12:05] <IchGuckLive> and more then a shipload of ....
[18:12:11] <gene_> This is saturday! Time to get a beer & watch the final 4 or whatever
[18:12:29] <IchGuckLive> its sahara dessert storm outside
[18:12:42] <Deejay> nachtisch? :)
[18:12:43] <Deejay> lecker
[18:12:58] <Deejay> das andere wäre: desert
[18:13:17] <gene_> And just where are you? Cool, slight wind, otherwise quiet in WV, USA
[18:16:32] <gene_> And just where are you? Cool 6.1C, slight wind @9KT, otherwise quiet in WV, USA
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[18:20:02] <gene_> FWIW, a chinese trawler towing a hydrophone claims to have heard a pinger for about 1.5 minutes earlier today.
[18:20:42] <IchGuckLive> im off dessert is ready BYE ;-) O.O
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[18:21:03] <gene_> about 150 klicks NE of all the floating junk.
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[18:24:33] <gene_> I see I am here twice, but that name hasn't been used in about a year. How do I make the server forget me?
[18:25:50] <gene_> Thats the name that needs expunged.
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[18:30:55] <Jymmm> gene_: Just close the app that gene78 is logged in from.
[18:31:11] <Jymmm> It'll then time out.
[18:32:58] <gene_> It, unless its one of the machines in the shop running a copy of konversation, which isn't impossible, its had a year to time out.
[18:33:02] <PetefromTn_> gene_ You mean they mighta found the plane finally?
[18:33:40] <Jymmm> gene_: It probably keeps logigng back in. You have to close the app, then it'll time out.
[18:34:35] <gene_> At least they claim to have hear a 37.5Khz ping at slightly more than 1 second intervals. There isn't a hell of a lot that can imitate one of those in normal shipping traffic noises.
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[18:37:36] <gene_> That would be a trip to the shop, and not something I would enjoy. I have 2 vcd's here to take to a neurosergeon Tuesday, one showing failed disks by recent MRI, and one showing a pretty good calcium deposit in the artery 2" or less from where they'd be working on it.
[18:38:08] <gene_> I don't recommend getting old, its not for wusses.
[18:40:27] <gene_> The problem is, I got old without growing up, mostly sideways :)
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[18:42:12] <Connor> Getting ready to make a manifold for my coolant.. Hoe many outlets? I'm thinking 3, 1 striaght through, and 2 at right angles pointed down. I can cap them with plugs.. I think.. If I can find 1/4" NTP plugs at home depot.. Thoughts?
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[18:43:58] <gene_> I did a sudo killall konversation from an ssh -Y session, it was the milling machines box.
[18:44:32] <PetefromTn_> Well the number of outlets depends on how much flow you have.. If your pump is wimpy you need to lower the number of nozzles and if it is greater you can of course have more. I find that the Haas machines have that programmable coolant nozzle which is sweet but it uses a brass tube and for some reason with no nozzle the flow is quite powerful.
[18:45:34] <Connor> PetefromTn_: Yea, my flow is wimpy at the moment.. I'll be adding a larger pump.. which is why I was going to cap two of them off.
[18:45:45] <PetefromTn_> My machine has the loc line nozzles which are nice and directional but i have seen just a simple small diameter brass tube work amazingly well.
[18:46:13] <Connor> I've got loc line, 3 knock off's and 1 original. the original has a valve on it.
[18:46:47] <PetefromTn_> I went thru two different pumps on the RF45 and the larger pond pump from Horrible freight worked okay.
[18:47:00] <PetefromTn_> I had two nozzles one coming from each side of the head.
[18:47:06] <Connor> So, my thinking is, drill alumn block all the way through, and then 2 holes in the bottom.
[18:47:36] <Connor> I'll cap the two bottom holes and use the straight through for now..
[18:48:04] <Connor> Yea, this pump is out of a parts washer from Harbor Freight..
[18:48:37] <Connor> I don't think it's going to have enough umph to move very much chips...
[18:48:44] <Connor> but don't know till I get the nozzle on it.
[18:49:31] <Connor> What sort of pump can I use ?
[18:49:49] <PetefromTn_> Well if you screen it well the pond pump worked okay for as long as I had it.
[18:49:55] <Connor> from harbor freight.
[18:50:01] <gene_> How do you folks contain the fluid so as to let it settle & recycle it? I keep looking for a pan big enough to set my large table HF sx1 in, but haven't found one with a truly flat bottom.
[18:50:06] <PetefromTn_> a real diry water pump would probably be better..
[18:50:43] <Connor> I have a 2 stage setup... I have a collection tank which is nothing more than a plastic trash can with 4 layers of filter in it.. and it has a overflow..
[18:51:15] <Connor> and it drains into a bucket below which is the coolant reservoir.
[18:52:10] <Connor> http://www.harborfreight.com/6-1-2-half-gallon-parts-washer-96952.html
[18:52:16] <PetefromTn_> I used a rubbermaid rectangular trough as the coolant sump and cut the snap on lid to accept believe it or not a baby diaper box. In that box I diverted the pipe from the enclosure and i packed the baby diaper box with filter mostly the green type pads.
[18:52:17] <Connor> thats the part washer I got the pump from.
[18:52:49] <Connor> It says 317 gallons per hour..
[18:53:00] <Connor> which.. I think was changed..
[18:53:08] <PetefromTn_> I also had a sink screen in the enclosure to catch the larger stuff and keep it from going down the drain into the sump.
[18:53:24] <Connor> well.. no, that's 5.2 gallons per minute..
[18:53:32] <Connor> I don't even think I'm getting 1 a minute..
[18:54:18] <gene_> How is that plumbed so as to prevent swarf from bridging the drain?
[18:54:38] <PetefromTn_> Connor Did you see the pics of the wheel I posted earlier? The customer sent those to me. He is quite pleased LOL.
[18:54:47] <Connor> No.
[18:54:59] <gene_> pop the link again
[18:55:03] <Connor> I just started typing as soon as I asked the question. :)
[18:55:39] <PetefromTn_> http://imagebin.org/303945 http://imagebin.org/303946
[18:56:00] <Connor> nice.
[18:56:37] <PetefromTn_> He did say I misssed a spot where I did not deburr it enough.
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[18:57:01] <gene_> Wow, what a windage dial. Its removeable for transport I hope.
[18:57:16] <PetefromTn_> yeah actually that is the best part about it.
[18:57:18] <gene_> Hi Michael!
[18:57:31] <mhaberler> Hi Gene! found the -out on the floor ;-?
[18:57:46] <PetefromTn_> There is a single setscrew that locks the wheel onto a machined hub that fits the factory scope knob. It is for elevation actually.
[18:57:47] <gene_> Yep
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[18:58:19] <gene_> elevation, on the side of the tube?
[18:58:21] <mhaberler> just do a Red Greene job and duct-tape it onto that pin
[18:58:34] <gene_> I did, worked fine
[18:59:04] <gene_> But I found the duct tape in gedit ;-)
[18:59:04] <PetefromTn_> actually sorry it is a side focus scope and the side wheel is for focusing which determines your elevation setting for rangefinding...
[18:59:19] <mhaberler> yep, 3M did gedit
[18:59:28] <Connor> http://www.harborfreight.com/catalogsearch/result/index/?AttribSel=Pump+Type%3D%27Submersible+Pumps%27&CatPath=All%2BProducts%252F%252F%252F%252FUserSearch1%253Dpump&RequestData=CA_AttributeSelected&q=pump
[18:59:39] <gene_> Ahh, rith, wrong side of tube for windage :(
[18:59:48] <Connor> pumps.. which one? remember.. I only have around 3 or 4 gallon coolant tank.
[19:00:01] <Connor> can I think I'm using 3/8" clean line.
[19:00:03] <PetefromTn_> http://www.harborfreight.com/620-gph-submersible-fountain-pump-68393.html
[19:00:08] <PetefromTn_> I think that is the one I had..
[19:00:10] <tjtr33> the Maxwell Smart Cone Of Silence flush method http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uuUvqZqso1E
[19:00:20] <Connor> How big of a hose ?
[19:00:59] <PetefromTn_> Man thats nice... Apparently my machine had the option of TSC but I do not have it....
[19:01:08] <PetefromTn_> wish I did..
[19:01:24] <PetefromTn_> There are actualy hoses up top there that are capped off for coolant tho...
[19:01:59] <PetefromTn_> I cannot remember how big the hose was... probably 3/8 but the main line was like half or larger...
[19:02:04] <gene_> Good grief, doesn't that camera have an auto exposure?
[19:02:12] <PetefromTn_> Two 3/8 branching from the main.
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[19:04:26] <Connor> PetefromTn_: How Strong was the flow? Could you hook up a extra line and use it to spray down the enclosure ?
[19:05:44] <tjtr33> sandvik high pressure coolant holders not only have indexable bits, but similar replaceable coolant jets for each bit shape. 80bar but not much flow, just hi pressure. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QwoI_F4Xed0
[19:07:06] <gene_> pcw_home - I never did get that short bracket for the 5i25
[19:07:34] <PetefromTn_> actually yeah I had a ball valve underneath the enclosure that I shutoff to divert the flow to the garden hose but it was not anything like the VMC...it worked tho...
[19:13:39] <gene_> I assume you folks have something in the water to keep the machine from rusting from the constant exposure? Trade secret ??
[19:14:11] <PetefromTn_> no trade secret....just coolant. I use trim sol
[19:14:21] <PetefromTn_> There are TONS of different types.
[19:14:51] <PetefromTn_> depending on your material you intend to cut the most and what kind of machining you are doing.
[19:14:56] <gene_> That I fugured on, each with its evangelists of course :)
[19:15:28] <PetefromTn_> no evangelista here man.. I just use trim sol because it is cheap and so far works well.
[19:15:41] <pcw_home> I'll make a note so I dont forget about your bracket
[19:15:58] <gene_> Some steel/brass, but more than likely alu, ok Peter, thanks
[19:17:07] <gene_> Needs to fit that ARK shoebox intel was putting the atom boards in a couple years ago.
[19:18:56] <PetefromTn_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=re1nVUy5Www Interesting..
[19:19:06] <gene_> I've never rigged a liquid coolant, only a mister nozzle, usuall fed safflower oil for its highest flash point. Pain in the ass fills the shop with oil fog, but tools last 5x longer.
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[19:20:21] <R2E4_> hi guys
[19:20:33] <PetefromTn_> Hey R2
[19:23:58] <R2E4_> still cutting and testing.
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[19:24:53] <gene_> Hey Andy!
[19:24:58] <andypugh> Hi
[19:25:08] <andypugh> Today I have been mainly: https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/gDrOzjzfK2OSz2eo2zzLTdMTjNZETYmyPJy0liipFm0?feat=directlink
[19:25:46] <PetefromTn_> cool..
[19:25:55] <tjtr33> frame repair?
[19:26:16] <gene_> What is?
[19:26:45] <andypugh> https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/0sQKiHNnDgwX_WelzL19ddMTjNZETYmyPJy0liipFm0?feat=directlink
[19:27:02] <andypugh> Shows the original state of the frame rail ends.
[19:27:08] <tjtr33> neracar
[19:28:29] <gene_> yikes, 600,000 klicks and 40years of rust?
[19:29:34] <andypugh> 93 years of rust. ’Tis even older than Gene.
[19:29:55] <gene_> Aww, damn, I've been upstaged again...
[19:30:43] <XXCoder1> PetefromTn_: cool! video you linked is captioned
[19:30:48] <andypugh> In a bizarre coincidence, they were made by Zultron’s grandad…
[19:31:05] <andypugh> (If I recall correctly)
[19:31:12] <gene_> It really is a small world!
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[19:31:30] <zultron> It's true! Great-granddad. :)
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[19:31:36] <andypugh> No, I have been all the way round, and it’s huge
[19:34:47] <gene_> Yeah, with salt in your face no less :)
[19:36:06] <PetefromTn_> yeah that is interesting stuff by sandvik coromant.
[19:36:14] <gene_> Andy, did you ever get crazy nuff to do the Isl og Man TT?
[19:36:24] <gene_> Andy, did you ever get crazy nuff to do the Isl of Man TT?
[19:37:04] <andypugh> No. I have visited the IoM and watched the racing, but I am not really fast enough to be cometitive, or good enough to survive the attempt.
[19:37:49] <andypugh> I can strongly recommend http://www.amazon.com/Tt-Closer-The-Edge-DVD/dp/B008EUZNP0/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1396726657&sr=8-1&keywords=closer+to+the+edge
[19:38:03] <andypugh> It gives a really good feeling for the event and the characters.
[19:39:50] <gene_> I watched 3 laps taken by a handlebar cam by someone good enough, scared the hell outta me just sitting here in my office chair. This from someone who once took 1/4" off the rigid footpeg at the top of Freedonner pass in CA when the wind switch and pushed me down right at the apex
[19:41:16] <gene_> But I'm now 35 years older, sold my last bike about 15 years ago when I realized my reflexes weren't anymore.
[19:41:38] <gene_> Do I miss it, hell yeah
[19:43:37] <gene_> That little balancing act put scuff marks 55 degrees up the side of a pair of Dunlaps, swore by em ever since.
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[19:44:37] <andypugh> I seem to have settled on Michelin for the moment.
[19:45:14] <gene_> Used all 4 lanes of the westbound side before I finally managed to pick it up off the peg. They make good tires too, pricy though.
[19:46:42] <gene_> Last time I was pricing a fresh set, ISTR the Michelins would have been about $50 USD higher than the Dunlaps.
[19:47:24] <gene_> But that was also 20 years back up the log...
[19:47:41] <andypugh> Bridgestone seen to be the spendy ones now.
[19:47:57] <PetefromTn_> Had over a dozen sportbikes over the years, tried them all. Bridgestones, Dunlops, Michelins, Pirellis, you name it. They are all nice. Mostly ran dunlops tho.
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[19:48:45] <PetefromTn_> Have not had a bike since my youngest daughter was born.
[19:48:55] <PetefromTn_> Been itching to get another one.
[19:49:07] <andypugh> I seem to keep my bikes until they die. I had the FJ1100 for 10 years (and it was 10 years old when I bought it). I bought the 2004 R1 that I use now new.
[19:49:09] <PetefromTn_> Probably wind up with a cafe racer project bike or something cheap.
[19:49:29] <PetefromTn_> I love Yamaha, Had a bunch.
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[19:50:18] <gene_> One of the reasons I put Dunlaps on our Toy last summer. Bstones were about $150/set higher. I got back off the rack for about $650, then 3 hours later put Fstones best street truck tire on the GMC for 800 & change. Lots bigger tire.
[19:50:19] <PetefromTn_> Favorite was the 1992 Yamaha FZR1000R....
[19:50:23] <PetefromTn_> http://www.cyclechaos.com/images/8/87/1992-Yamaha-FZR1000-White-9681-0.jpg?title=images/8/87/1992-Yamaha-FZR1000-White-9681-0.jpg
[19:50:46] <andypugh> Just ordered some fresh alternator shaft bearings for the R1 in the hope of making it a bit quieter.
[19:51:04] <PetefromTn_> R1 are sweet bikes.
[19:51:09] <PetefromTn_> Wheelie machines LOL
[19:51:17] <andypugh> Yours looks like a motorcycle, only cleaner :-)
[19:51:36] <PetefromTn_> I used to rub it with a daiper.
[19:51:51] <PetefromTn_> mine had white wheels I repainted with some better paint.
[19:52:00] <andypugh> Mine gets cleaned for the MOT test and for the tracj day.
[19:52:07] <PetefromTn_> I used to ride it to bike night and then wipe the crud off the wheels so they shined all the time.
[19:52:31] <andypugh> After being used all winter it is curently filthy. Properly minging.
[19:52:32] <gene_> I'd get s speeding ticket sitting saddle empty in the driveway. :)
[19:52:45] <PetefromTn_> I also had a sweet FZ700 for awhile.
[19:53:21] <PetefromTn_> http://i1.ytimg.com/vi/ofKvD9RB6DU/maxresdefault.jpg
[19:53:47] <PetefromTn_> Mine was exactly like that but it had a hand polished swingarm and complete racing exhaust from Yoshimura.
[19:53:50] <gene_> Biggest bike I ever had was a GS-1000-G, that thing could eat more miles than my kidney could in one sitting.
[19:54:04] * Loetmichel thinks he eats to many babybel chesses. the hulls that were stacked on my desk were sufficient to melt into a small can as a candle... (the battery is an AAA for size comparsion ;-) *cooling down* -> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=14823
[19:55:04] <andypugh> You could have used it to coat a normal-sized wheel of cheese. Sort-o “Pimp my Cheese”
[19:55:14] <PetefromTn_> The FZR1000 was about the perfect bike IMHO.. Fast as hell, big enough to be comfortable on longer rides, had room for my wife to be and could still take a corner fast if necessary.
[19:55:57] <andypugh> (If you don;t get what I am on about: http://www.pimpthatsnack.com )
[19:57:41] <gene_> any one of them would raise my glucose into the meter yelling at me altitude. Darnit...
[19:58:35] <PetefromTn_> Me to my daughter; Hey what do you want me to get you for your birthday? daughter; Umm I dunno... Me; Well I gotta get you something... daughter; Umm okay I want a Lava Lamp and some pokemon cards.... Me: seriously???!!! Daughter; Oh yeah I LOVE Lava Lamps... Should I be worried??? LOL
[19:58:41] <Loetmichel> andypugh: i just cant throw anything away
[19:58:54] <Loetmichel> and i used that wax as a candle before
[19:59:16] <Loetmichel> the toilet paper wick is working astonishing well for that job ;-)
[19:59:20] <gene_> Has Bil Brettle ever checked into here? I tried to help on the list several hours ago, but the list has died.
[19:59:46] <andypugh> I get the impression he is probably running now.
[20:00:49] <gene_> Yeah but what about that logic 0 at 2 volts. Thats a problem that sticks out like I used to look at Debie Reynolds.
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[20:02:50] <gene_> My memory can't be too far gone, I can still remember that...
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[20:06:10] <pcw_home> maybe isolated BOB and measuring the wrong way?
[20:07:42] <gene_> That 2 volts says he got something doing a serious pullup on that line, probably 50+ milliamps worth. The gate can't take that for very long. Possibly. The BOB I am using will crowbar its 7805 without being damaged.
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[20:09:37] <gene_> I've seen all the leds on it go out if I tried to put a ground on the wrong terminal, more than once.
[20:10:50] <gene_> Hands aren't as steady as they used to be, darnit.
[20:11:22] <pcw_home> not sure if the other outputs were really working or not so dont know if its power supply, grounds or what
[20:12:02] <gene_> He's using one of your BOB's?
[20:12:09] <pcw_home> no
[20:12:34] <pcw_home> Dont think so anyway
[20:13:04] <pcw_home> (since its a parallel port config)
[20:13:52] <gene_> Humm, wonder if its even buffered/
[20:14:25] <gene_> some parports don't have much drive.
[20:18:04] <gene_> I'd better go check and see what the missus has in mind for dindin.
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[20:20:09] <gene_> She must have an idea, she just left for the grocery store.
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[20:27:45] <zeeshan|2> fuck
[20:27:48] <zeeshan|2> what to do
[20:27:51] <zeeshan|2> sell the kenned y box or not to
[20:28:00] <zeeshan|2> archivist had a point, you always need storage space
[20:28:05] <humble_sea_bass> always
[20:28:22] <zeeshan|2> if isell it, i can buy more machine tools though
[20:28:22] <zeeshan|2> :P
[20:28:42] <humble_sea_bass> and lose em because you don;t know where to put em
[20:28:56] <zeeshan|2> i still have decent amount of space in the main kennedy box
[20:29:22] <zeeshan|2> http://i.imgur.com/sm9MQAI.jpg
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[20:29:28] <zeeshan|2> i was thinking of moving the top 2 boxes to the left
[20:29:35] <zeeshan|2> i mean right
[20:29:41] <zeeshan|2> and putting the machinist box to the left
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[20:34:28] <Connor_mill> whats the diff between g83 and g73 ?
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[20:34:39] <Connor_mill> I need to peck drill a hole down to 1" deep
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[20:36:11] <zeeshan|2> connor
[20:36:24] <Connor_mill> hey. I think I want g83
[20:36:25] <zeeshan|2> g83 from what iremember retracts al the way out of the hole
[20:36:30] <zeeshan|2> so you can to do deep hole drilling with it
[20:36:32] <zeeshan|2> g73 doesnt
[20:36:38] <zeeshan|2> it retracts a small amount
[20:36:44] <zeeshan|2> i could have the codes mixed up
[20:36:48] <zeeshan|2> but i know thats the main diff
[20:36:56] <Connor_mill> I think that's it.
[20:37:05] <Connor_mill> now.. to figure out the paramaters..
[20:37:30] <PetefromTn_> 73 does not fully retract...
[20:37:50] <PetefromTn_> I think anyways..
[20:38:25] <Connor_mill> G83 z-1 r.1 q .050 ?
[20:38:32] <PetefromTn_> it is coded basically the same way tho. just the 73 does not go to the R value until the end.
[20:39:14] <Connor_mill> z is the depts.. q is the increment of depth per retract.. r is the safe height.
[20:39:16] <Connor_mill> ?
[20:39:41] <PetefromTn_> Z is final depth, Q is the peck distance, R is the retract height.
[20:40:05] <PetefromTn_> safe z is whatever you set in Cambam LOL...
[20:40:11] <zeeshan|2> 10 inches !
[20:40:18] <zeeshan|2> help me decide what to do
[20:40:19] <zeeshan|2> guys
[20:40:21] <zeeshan|2> http://imgur.com/a/LF4BI
[20:40:22] <zeeshan|2> sell it
[20:40:24] <zeeshan|2> or NOT!
[20:40:42] <humble_sea_bass> i'll buy it if you can quote me the shipping
[20:40:49] <humble_sea_bass> and it isn't madness for shipping
[20:40:56] <zeeshan|2> itll prolly be madness for shipping
[20:40:57] <zeeshan|2> cause
[20:41:02] <zeeshan|2> its like 50lb
[20:41:05] <zeeshan|2> and odd shaped
[20:41:14] <zeeshan|2> might be 60
[20:41:32] <PetefromTn_> Connor so you are up and running I presume LOL.
[20:41:32] <humble_sea_bass> i know. check ups, canada post is full of socialism i think
[20:42:32] <Connor_mill> PetefromTn_: for the moment.. still using the old pulley on the spindle..
[20:43:00] <Connor_mill> okay.. feed and RPM for a 7/32" drill bit in alum ?
[20:43:07] <zeeshan|2> 10,0000 rpm
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[20:43:14] <zeeshan|2> connor
[20:43:16] <zeeshan|2> i will kill you!
[20:43:18] <zeeshan|2> you should know that info
[20:43:24] <zeeshan|2> remember this in your head
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[20:43:39] <zeeshan|2> RPM = 2*cutting speed / diameter of drill bit
[20:43:40] <Connor_mill> zeeshan|2: I'm not a machinist.
[20:43:41] <zeeshan|2> for drilling
[20:43:46] <zeeshan|2> RPM = 4*cutting speed / diameter of drill bit
[20:43:47] <zeeshan|2> for
[20:43:53] <zeeshan|2> end milling
[20:44:02] <zeeshan|2> surface speed
[20:44:04] <zeeshan|2> not cutting space
[20:44:11] <zeeshan|2> surface speed for steel is 75-100
[20:44:18] <zeeshan|2> for aluminum it 250-800
[20:44:25] <zeeshan|2> (use lower end if your machine isn't as rigid)
[20:44:50] <zeeshan|2> just use this
[20:44:51] <zeeshan|2> http://www.custompartnet.com/calculator/drilling-speed-and-feed
[20:45:19] <zeeshan|2> 4360 rpm
[20:45:44] <zeeshan|2> 0.006 feed rate
[20:45:58] <zeeshan|2> ipr i mean
[20:46:03] <zeeshan|2> so that means 26 ipm
[20:46:52] <zeeshan|2> can't you set the material type
[20:46:53] <PetefromTn_> He is running a small machine with limited HP so I would say the speed is fine but maybe 10 -12 ipm...
[20:47:02] <zeeshan|2> in cam bam?
[20:47:16] <zeeshan|2> and choose conservative values
[20:48:00] <zeeshan|2> its aluminum
[20:48:12] <zeeshan|2> you can drill that shit at 60 miles per hour
[20:48:13] <zeeshan|2> :D
[20:48:29] <PetefromTn_> yeah I know but having used smaller machines quite a bit I would recommend less feed.
[20:48:43] <zeeshan|2> im kidding
[20:48:55] <PetefromTn_> no actually you are right aluminum is like butter...
[20:49:06] <zeeshan|2> i dont think ive ever broken a tool in aluminujm before
[20:49:19] <zeeshan|2> the aluminum just starts extruding if the drill bit is dull
[20:49:19] <zeeshan|2> lol
[20:49:22] <PetefromTn_> but with marginal flood and minimal HP slower is safer.
[20:49:36] <PetefromTn_> I have broken quite a few tools in aluminum..
[20:50:06] <PetefromTn_> usually when the cutter loads up in a pocket due to lack of flood chip extraction. on my RF45.
[20:50:46] <Deejay> gn8
[20:50:49] <zeeshan|2> http://ontario.kijiji.ca/c-buy-and-sell-tools-other-Machinist-Tool-Box-W0QQAdIdZ580825006
[20:50:49] <zeeshan|2> omfg
[20:50:52] <zeeshan|2> another killer deal
[20:50:54] <PetefromTn_> gm8 deejay.
[20:50:54] <zeeshan|2> popped up
[20:51:33] <PetefromTn_> hard to know what wonders await in that box... It's like a box of chocolates!
[20:51:41] <zeeshan|2> he's got two boxes for sale
[20:51:42] <zeeshan|2> for 100$
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[20:51:53] <zeeshan|2> one of them i see a couple of mitutoyothings in
[20:52:06] <PetefromTn_> if those are starrett telescoping gauges in the top there and not chinese copies ...
[20:52:14] <zeeshan|2> those look like starrett
[20:52:15] <zeeshan|2> for sure
[20:52:19] <zeeshan|2> i can tell my the anvils
[20:52:26] <zeeshan|2> the chinese ones hare turning marchines on em
[20:52:28] <zeeshan|2> *marks
[20:52:31] <zeeshan|2> asdkljhasklsdja
[20:52:35] <zeeshan|2> the chinese ones have turning marks on them
[20:52:54] <PetefromTn_> where? Mine are chinese and look pretty good..
[20:53:04] <zeeshan|2> on the anvil
[20:53:08] <zeeshan|2> if you look very closesly
[20:53:11] <zeeshan|2> you can feel em with your nails
[20:53:18] <zeeshan|2> its not a satin finish
[20:53:26] <PetefromTn_> huh..
[20:53:41] <PetefromTn_> never inspected them with a microscope but they feel smooth to me.
[20:53:53] <zeeshan|2> you dont need a microscope
[20:53:54] <zeeshan|2> you can feel it
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[20:53:59] <zeeshan|2> and hear it
[20:54:04] <zeeshan|2> and it snaps you can feel it grind
[20:54:22] <zeeshan|2> mine did at least
[20:54:30] <PetefromTn_> There is a criterion boring head for sale on the local CL for $100.00 I would not mind having but no other machine tools worth grabbing.
[21:07:01] <andypugh> PetefromTn_: What taper do you have?
[21:08:51] <PetefromTn_> the mill is Cat40...
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[21:09:30] <andypugh> http://www.ebay.com/itm/WOHLHAUPTER-UPA-4-BORING-FACING-HEAD-NMTB-40-SHANK-MILLING-OR-BORING-MILL-/360811010561
[21:10:00] <zeeshan|2> wtf
[21:10:03] <zeeshan|2> only 625$
[21:10:05] <zeeshan|2> ONLY!
[21:10:11] <PetefromTn_> jeez thats a monster..LOL
[21:10:46] <andypugh> Only a UPA4, I have one of those myself (too big for my machine). They go up tu UPA6
[21:10:57] <PetefromTn_> They have a SWEET boring head set at the shop there
[21:11:13] <PetefromTn_> it is a precision head and has several insert toolholders with it.
[21:11:15] <andypugh> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Wohlhaupter-UPA5s6-universal-boring-facing-head-/151197804053?pt=BI_Tool_Work_Holding&hash=item2334176615
[21:11:23] <PetefromTn_> It is like a $4k set...
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[21:12:00] <andypugh> My UPA4 is the most nicely-made thing I have ever handled.
[21:12:06] <PetefromTn_> That wolhaupter looks like it is built to last...
[21:12:09] <andypugh> But I thnk they are nearer 8k
[21:12:53] <PetefromTn_> I sold my criterion 3" with the RF45 because it was mounted to a TTS holder like a dumbass.....
[21:13:10] <andypugh> The newer Wohlhaupters have interchangeable shanks. But it is very difficult to tell if a particular one on eBay is fixed ot removable.
[21:13:14] <PetefromTn_> it is not a super precise one but it worked fine and made some nice holes..
[21:13:18] <zeeshan|2> PetefromTn_: scary!
[21:13:24] <zeeshan|2> did it ever fly off
[21:13:34] <PetefromTn_> did what fly off?
[21:13:40] <zeeshan|2> the 3" boring head
[21:13:46] <PetefromTn_> why would it fly off?
[21:14:06] <PetefromTn_> it threads into the toolshank..
[21:14:37] <zeeshan|2> the tool shank flys out
[21:14:40] <zeeshan|2> of the 3/4 straight sh ank
[21:14:49] <zeeshan|2> if that makes any sense
[21:14:58] <andypugh> This is a good price, and it’s a removable-shank version too. http://www.ebay.com/itm/Wolhaupter-Germany-UPA-3-23332-boring-head-Microbore-flash-40-FC-5-8-/370834006576?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item56576de230
[21:15:17] <PetefromTn_> never had that happen with any of the tools. I did have a larger cutter pull out of my r8 collet once tho and dig into the work.
[21:15:20] <zeeshan|2> my chinese boring head is a piece of shit
[21:15:30] <andypugh> (It has to be a removable shank, they couldn’t have assembled it otherwise
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[21:16:02] <tjtr33> is the t slot for limits?
[21:16:06] <andypugh> The nice feature of the Wohlhaupters (and other facing heads) is that you can adjust them without stopping the spindle.
[21:16:30] <andypugh> Yes, the T-slot should have stops, and the stops kick-off the feed when facing.
[21:16:40] <tjtr33> very very nice
[21:16:58] <PetefromTn_> No kidding how do you do that?
[21:17:30] <andypugh> The knurled ring is connected (by gears and magic) to the feed screw.
[21:17:44] <zeeshan|2> haha
[21:17:45] <zeeshan|2> thats cool
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[21:19:18] <PetefromTn_> the one at work is real sweet I cannot remember the name but one nice feature of it is you can slide the action to coarse adjust the cutter to the edge and then lock it down and continue with the fine adjust.
[21:19:46] <PetefromTn_> That thing is serious quality. crazy espensive tho.
[21:20:18] <andypugh> You can see me applying more cut to mine in this video at 1:50 http://youtu.be/i4fTythQj5s
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[21:24:19] <PetefromTn_> that is a sweet external threading op man. That boring head is a chunky bastard. NICE!!
[21:25:02] <zeeshan|2> i like the multiple lamps
[21:25:05] <zeeshan|2> in the video
[21:25:11] <PetefromTn_> what is that little L shaped lock on the side of it?
[21:25:52] <zeeshan|2> andypugh: is that a bridgeport?
[21:26:35] <zeeshan|2> that is a pretty bad ass use of the boring head
[21:26:55] <zeeshan|2> (the ext. thread cutting)
[21:27:34] <PetefromTn_> so moral of the story is when looking for a cat40 boring head for the VMC... Think WOLHAUPTER LOL....
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[21:32:01] <andypugh> Pete, that’s my litte boring head. Here it is next to it’s big brother: https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/zAh6K3E0uRG9Uhj9WWvqG9MTjNZETYmyPJy0liipFm0?feat=directlink
[21:33:20] <andypugh> zeeshan|2: It’s a Harrison. Quite a lot smaller than a Bridgeport. It’s a horizontal miller with a vertical head fitted. Makes a nice hobber.
[21:33:32] <PetefromTn_> Oh awesome man... so since you have that nice BIG one...you can send me that puny one I will take good care of it for you LOL...
[21:34:30] <Loetmichel> Harhar, candle works. (after cooling down so that the toilet paper wick isnt tipping any more ;-) -> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=14826
[21:34:45] <PetefromTn_> that harrison is probably beefier than a bridgeport LOL...
[21:34:52] <andypugh> PetefromTn_: The L-shaped lock is something that I have fitted in place of the normal facing-arm fitting for an experiment.
[21:35:16] <PetefromTn_> aah.
[21:35:37] <PetefromTn_> I am trying to find a link to that sweet boring head system they have at work. It makes some beautiful holes...
[21:35:41] <andypugh> I have a CNC-controlled motor for it :-)
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[21:38:01] <zeeshan|2> i talked to that guy
[21:38:06] <zeeshan|2> those are indeed starrett telescoping gauges
[21:38:18] <zeeshan|2> he's got a bunch of stuff inthere
[21:38:18] <andypugh> Nobody has seen this before, I wanted to patent the idea, but it didn’t work out: https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/1gX6p3sVta2YivGyk8rrX9MTjNZETYmyPJy0liipFm0?feat=directlink
[21:38:20] <zeeshan|2> for 200$ for both boxes
[21:38:22] <zeeshan|2> im gonna go pick it up
[21:39:48] <PetefromTn_> Holy smokes that is cool man..
[21:40:09] <PetefromTn_> You are a clever bastard I tell ya...LOL where do you come up with this stuff??!!
[21:40:36] <PetefromTn_> do you have a video of it adjusting the bore?
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[21:40:55] <zeeshan|2> PetefromTn_: make your own boring head!
[21:41:03] <zeeshan|2> and make me one too :)
[21:41:35] <andypugh> No video. I have a problem with one of the internal encoders so it doesn’t actually work :-(
[21:41:37] <PetefromTn_> I can't find the time to make my own damn encoder mount let alone boring head....
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[21:41:53] <zeeshan|2> let the cnc do the work for you!
[21:41:54] <zeeshan|2> :-)
[21:42:14] <PetefromTn_> I do that...I am NOT what you would call a FAST machinist.
[21:42:24] <andypugh> (Well, it spins, but it loses position)
[21:42:54] <andypugh> I rescued one of these from the skip at work last week: http://www.1stmachineryauctions.com/lots/-mercer-ball-comparitor-lot-456
[21:43:17] <zeeshan|2> omg
[21:43:20] <zeeshan|2> that is a nice tool.
[21:43:31] <PetefromTn_> zeeshan|2 Hey man since it seems you are not AS sore at me anymore, Can I tell you something I found out?
[21:43:37] <zeeshan|2> sup
[21:44:00] <zeeshan|2> my grudges last a couple hours
[21:44:00] <PetefromTn_> nice bore gauge...
[21:44:34] <PetefromTn_> After you got mad at me about my comments on the aluminum welding of that large bracket.
[21:44:34] <PetefromTn_> the next day I went back to work and the welder came into the machine shop.
[21:44:42] <PetefromTn_> I asked him about how he tig welded that plate.
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[21:44:59] <PetefromTn_> He said it was 3/4 welded to 5/8 bracketry.
[21:45:08] <PetefromTn_> I asked him how many amps he used.
[21:45:19] <PetefromTn_> He said 260-270...
[21:45:25] <PetefromTn_> I asked him if he pre-heated the material with a torch...
[21:45:28] <PetefromTn_> He said no..
[21:45:37] <PetefromTn_> I asked him about the tig unit they have.
[21:45:41] <zeeshan|2> i don't know how that is possible
[21:45:48] <zeeshan|2> cause the aluminum will absorb all the heat
[21:45:50] <PetefromTn_> He said it is a standard Lincoln 355 tig.
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[21:46:00] <zeeshan|2> i have a lincoln precision tig 225
[21:46:17] <zeeshan|2> when i try to weld 1/2" aluminum plate with 1/2" aluminum plate
[21:46:23] <zeeshan|2> it won't weld properly
[21:46:45] <zeeshan|2> when i say weld properly, the puddle doesnt form
[21:47:02] <andypugh> Sounds like your machine might be too small?
[21:47:11] <zeeshan|2> it is
[21:47:13] <zeeshan|2> for something like that
[21:47:25] <zeeshan|2> but pete is saying the welder welded the 3/4" aluminum plate to 5/8"
[21:47:29] <zeeshan|2> at 260-270amps
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[21:47:42] <zeeshan|2> so with those parameters scaled to 1/2"
[21:47:48] <zeeshan|2> i should be able to weld it easily at 225A
[21:47:55] <andypugh> I missed the part where the other stuff was thicker.
[21:48:11] <zeeshan|2> the only way i got it to even form a puddle was
[21:48:15] <zeeshan|2> by preheating the part to 500F
[21:48:17] <andypugh> When they weld thick alu at work they use MIG.
[21:48:29] <zeeshan|2> yea
[21:48:39] <zeeshan|2> cause w/ tig, it absorbs the heat instaneously
[21:48:47] <andypugh> Well, not any old mig. A special HF-AC MIG
[21:49:14] <zeeshan|2> like say you have a 8" x 11" 1/2" plate
[21:49:27] <zeeshan|2> and you're welding it the an 8"x11" plate (butt weld)
[21:49:43] <zeeshan|2> you'll feel it get extremely hot at the opposite end of the plate from where you're trying to butt weld
[21:49:59] <zeeshan|2> after 2-3 min, you'll start seeing a puddle form
[21:50:02] <zeeshan|2> but its very weak
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[21:50:39] <witnit> you should accompany the welder with a small torch to get the material very hot ina small location prior to the weld stream, maybe?
[21:50:58] <zeeshan|2> yea thsts what i preheated to about 500F
[21:51:04] <zeeshan|2> *why
[21:51:15] <zeeshan|2> but a proper dynasty 700 series welder
[21:51:25] <zeeshan|2> will weld 1/2" plate like a joke
[21:51:29] <zeeshan|2> even 3/4" plate is a joke
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[21:51:33] <zeeshan|2> but it costs a lot
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[21:51:43] <PetefromTn_> jeez man just got kicked off..
[21:52:00] <witnit> you could add a sweet little hydrogen torch to surround the tig tip, that would be too cool
[21:52:31] <zeeshan|2> you prolly don't want that
[21:52:36] <zeeshan|2> you'll blow the argon gas away :P
[21:52:38] <witnit> no probably not hahahah
[21:52:47] <witnit> but why use argonat all then?
[21:52:55] <witnit> would the fire not eleminiate the oxygen?
[21:52:56] <zeeshan|2> you need to shield it
[21:52:57] <PetefromTn_> I dunno man all I can tell you is what the guy said...
[21:53:04] <PetefromTn_> He said they do it all the time....
[21:53:15] <zeeshan|2> PetefromTn_: i dunno i guess i've experienced otherwise
[21:53:19] <PetefromTn_> My machine is quite similar to theirs. It is a 350 amp machine.
[21:53:48] <PetefromTn_> I will also add that when you are welding into the corner like that it kinda heats faster..
[21:53:58] <zeeshan|2> corner as in a fillet weld?
[21:54:03] <PetefromTn_> yeah.
[21:54:04] <zeeshan|2> or corner of plate
[21:54:08] <zeeshan|2> fillet welds need more amps
[21:54:10] <PetefromTn_> I did NOT see how he set it up..
[21:54:37] <PetefromTn_> all I know is they make those semi often and they have it dialed in.
[21:55:05] <PetefromTn_> The guy is real good... he showed me some pics of his welds on wakeboard towers...BEAUTIFUL.
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[21:55:27] <PetefromTn_> The Tig is for sure a lincoln 355 they have that and a smaller lincoln.
[21:56:09] <zeeshan|2> okay
[21:56:14] <zeeshan|2> look this information is right from miller
[21:56:16] <zeeshan|2> http://www.millerwelds.com/resources/calculators/tig_amperage_calculator.php
[21:56:20] <zeeshan|2> click 1/2" butt weld
[21:56:23] <zeeshan|2> and aluminum
[21:56:31] <PetefromTn_> http://www.exapro.com/product/2009/11/PE77585/7e7b414932d3709a43fb810b8a200373/lincoln-355-acdc-squarewave-tig-welding-machine-pe77585_2.jpg
[21:56:36] <PetefromTn_> looks like that.
[21:56:36] <zeeshan|2> says 120-290A , Joint requires 5 passes. Root pass;3/32 Filler; All remaining passes 1/8 Filler. 1st Root pass: 270-290. 2nd pass:150-170. 3rd pass:140-160. 4th pass: 130-150. 5th pass: 120-140.
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[21:56:53] <zeeshan|2> fillet weld:
[21:57:00] <zeeshan|2> says 320-350A
[21:57:04] <zeeshan|2> Requires 3 passes. (Welding speed for multiple passes cannot be accurately predicted.)
[21:57:20] <zeeshan|2> so i guess it can be done
[21:57:25] <zeeshan|2> but the thing that ticked me off is
[21:57:27] <zeeshan|2> you said 'easily'
[21:57:38] <zeeshan|2> and easily means to me: a single pass weld
[21:57:41] <PetefromTn_> easily what?
[21:57:51] <zeeshan|2> you said your welder can do that easily
[21:58:03] <zeeshan|2> easy to me means single pass
[21:58:11] <zeeshan|2> with no special material grooving requirements
[21:58:27] <zeeshan|2> easy to me means dynasty 700 dx
[21:58:29] <PetefromTn_> I said my welder could do it I did not specify what the particulars were..
[21:58:33] <zeeshan|2> crankced to 500amps
[21:58:39] <zeeshan|2> does 1/2" aluminum in a single pass :P
[21:58:48] <zeeshan|2> you said your welder can do that easily.
[21:59:09] <PetefromTn_> my machine is no toy tho. it is a large commercial machine that has some serious balls..
[21:59:18] <zeeshan|2> amps is amps
[21:59:22] <zeeshan|2> has nothing to do with how big your machine is
[21:59:31] <zeeshan|2> a larger transformer type machine will obviously put out more amps
[21:59:37] <PetefromTn_> I knew I should not have brought this up..
[21:59:38] <zeeshan|2> amps is directly proportional to heat generated
[21:59:51] <zeeshan|2> power = volts * current
[22:00:10] <zeeshan|2> power == heat generated
[22:00:11] <PetefromTn_> All I know is the machine he did that with is no more powerful than the one I own.
[22:00:25] <zeeshan|2> lets just agree it's doable
[22:00:31] <zeeshan|2> it's just not easy.
[22:00:31] <Tom_itx> chinese power = volts / amps
[22:00:36] <PetefromTn_> Oh it is doable alright LOL...
[22:00:48] <zeeshan|2> and requires multiple passes and material prep
[22:00:59] <PetefromTn_> Dunno what it takes but he did it..
[22:01:08] <zeeshan|2> at magnus motorsports, they had a dynasty 700
[22:01:14] <zeeshan|2> when they did 1/2 aluminum frame welding
[22:01:15] <PetefromTn_> From the looks of the weld it does not LOOK like multiple passes....
[22:01:18] <zeeshan|2> they could do it in a single pass
[22:01:41] <PetefromTn_> I will ask him about how many passes on monday.
[22:02:10] <zeeshan|2> you can hide a multi pass weld with a single weld pretty easily
[22:02:34] <PetefromTn_> He said he has a Miller Dialarc at his home shop that he does the same thing with apparently altho I have not seen evidence of it.
[22:02:38] <zeeshan|2> http://www.twi-global.com/EasysiteWeb/getresource.axd?AssetID=14156&type=full&servicetype=Inline
[22:02:39] <PetefromTn_> Yeah I know I do it often.
[22:02:40] <zeeshan|2> can you see th at pic?
[22:03:06] <PetefromTn_> yeah.
[22:03:27] <zeeshan|2> its hard to tell just by looking at it
[22:03:35] <zeeshan|2> and if he did that at 260A single pass
[22:03:39] <zeeshan|2> its a weak weld anyway
[22:03:45] <andypugh> I used to do research for twi
[22:03:55] <zeeshan|2> andypugh: what field
[22:03:59] <andypugh> Electron Beam welding is what you want
[22:04:15] <andypugh> zeeshan|2: Electron beam welding.
[22:04:19] <zeeshan|2> i did a small research project at school on welding
[22:04:27] <zeeshan|2> not sure what electron beam welding is
[22:04:43] <PetefromTn_> http://imagebin.org/303988
[22:05:13] <PetefromTn_> Can you see the bored hole in the middle?
[22:05:15] <andypugh> It can weld 1m thick material in a single pass with no weld-prep. (other than tightly butted faces)
[22:05:20] <zeeshan|2> yes
[22:05:27] <zeeshan|2> andypugh: holy cow
[22:05:33] <zeeshan|2> 1 meter?
[22:05:37] <PetefromTn_> I personally drilled and reamed that hole myself...
[22:05:37] <andypugh> Yes
[22:05:43] <zeeshan|2> that is crazy
[22:05:54] <PetefromTn_> I can tell you that the weld penetrates JUST fine...
[22:06:20] <zeeshan|2> http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p252/turbozee84/null_zps41752af4.jpg
[22:06:22] <zeeshan|2> andypugh: ^
[22:06:30] <zeeshan|2> i did research on resistance spot welding
[22:06:35] <zeeshan|2> on a particular alloy of steel
[22:07:13] <zeeshan|2> was trying to figure out why some sheet metal pieces @ a company were failing at the weld
[22:07:25] <zeeshan|2> ended up w/ their weld settings were wrong
[22:07:34] <PetefromTn_> to be honest I can weld pretty damn nice in steels and stainless but aluminum is not my strong point.
[22:07:49] <PetefromTn_> I do practice quite a lot on thinner materials.
[22:07:58] <zeeshan|2> i find welding easier on aluminum
[22:07:59] <zeeshan|2> than stainless
[22:08:07] <zeeshan|2> mainly because stainless thin stuff needs back purging
[22:08:08] <PetefromTn_> not me...I LOVE stainless.
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[22:08:12] <zeeshan|2> and is a pain in the butt
[22:08:21] <PetefromTn_> back purging is easy tho.
[22:08:27] <zeeshan|2> it is
[22:08:33] <zeeshan|2> but takes extra time
[22:08:35] <zeeshan|2> which annoys me :P
[22:08:37] <zeeshan|2> and gas too
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[22:08:58] <PetefromTn_> I know you showed some pics of your headers or whatever that was you welded you look like you got some skills there man.
[22:09:12] <zeeshan|2> PetefromTn_: heres the thing
[22:09:13] <zeeshan|2> that was hard
[22:09:14] <zeeshan|2> http://i.imgur.com/uwgk1Za.jpg
[22:09:17] <zeeshan|2> that flange is 1/2"
[22:09:19] <zeeshan|2> 6061
[22:09:29] <PetefromTn_> I have welded everything from trailer hitches to church bells in my shop for customers..
[22:09:34] <zeeshan|2> the velocity stacks are 1/8"
[22:09:58] <PetefromTn_> does your machine have pulsing?
[22:10:01] <zeeshan|2> the only way i got it to weld was by preheating
[22:10:02] <zeeshan|2> yes
[22:10:10] <zeeshan|2> but i dont use it much
[22:10:12] <PetefromTn_> see that helps a LOT...
[22:10:12] <andypugh> Gosh!http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z8ermkydLS4&feature=share&list=PL3f0O-D3NXi8SsBbGTYmLod9Zl8grm0l3&index=8
[22:10:19] <zeeshan|2> unless the material is < 30 thou thick
[22:10:27] <zeeshan|2> mostly to stop warping from happening
[22:10:51] <PetefromTn_> I wish my machine had pulsing but honestly I have never met anything that a customer brought me that I could not weld.
[22:11:07] <XXCoder1> andy heh heck of a spikey thing
[22:11:49] <PetefromTn_> I did an intake like that for a local kid but I forgot to take pictures of it.
[22:12:08] <PetefromTn_> welded in lots of bungs for sensors and stuff..
[22:12:13] <XXCoder1> thats basically metal printer
[22:13:39] <zeeshan|2> PetefromTn_:
[22:13:43] <zeeshan|2> you can pulse with your foot :D
[22:13:49] <zeeshan|2> thats how i do it 99% of the time
[22:13:49] <zeeshan|2> haha
[22:13:55] <zeeshan|2> especially on stainless
[22:14:06] <andypugh> How useful is a foot pedal? I don’t have one.
[22:14:07] <zeeshan|2> cause you know this already, but if you overheat stainless
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[22:14:31] <zeeshan|2> you get chromium carbide percipitation
[22:14:42] <zeeshan|2> you can make some frigging tooling out of that weld :D
[22:14:46] <zeeshan|2> but it'll rust
[22:14:53] <zeeshan|2> andypugh: extremely useful
[22:15:09] <zeeshan|2> is your hand trigger variable
[22:15:09] <zeeshan|2> or
[22:15:12] <zeeshan|2> on/off
[22:15:21] <andypugh> No, my hand-trigger is on-off
[22:15:26] <zeeshan|2> wow
[22:15:31] <zeeshan|2> how the hell do you weld with that?
[22:15:35] <XXCoder1> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hSHWawjpprU&list=PL3f0O-D3NXi8SsBbGTYmLod9Zl8grm0l3 lol
[22:15:36] <andypugh> Badly?
[22:15:49] <Tom_itx> :)
[22:15:50] <zeeshan|2> dude that is a big problem in aluminum..
[22:16:13] <zeeshan|2> cause say you're welding .0625" aluminum you'll need to set the welder to 90amps
[22:16:46] <zeeshan|2> and then you go full throuttle at the beginning of the weld and then when you see the weld puddle, you back off to 62.5amps (you can see the right amount to back off in the weld puddle)
[22:17:02] <zeeshan|2> but with an on/off trigger, you'll always be at 90amps, and make a hole
[22:17:02] <PetefromTn_> Yeah I know I do that sometimes... Most pros call it cheating LOL
[22:17:14] <andypugh> This might explain my less-than-stellar performance at welding aluminium.
[22:17:36] <Tom_itx> pulse is very handy for aluminum
[22:18:20] <andypugh> This is about at good as my Alu welding gets: https://picasaweb.google.com/108164504656404380542/HarrisonMill#5901893708289493010
[22:18:44] <andypugh> (I have probably only even tried it about 6 times)
[22:19:23] <andypugh> On some levels I am chuffed that I can weld aluminium at all.
[22:20:36] <Tom_itx> i tried with mig once
[22:20:40] <Tom_itx> not very successful
[22:21:21] <andypugh> I have made parts stick together with MiG. Lots of black soot, puzzlingly.
[22:21:31] <Tom_itx> what gas?
[22:21:39] <Tom_itx> you need pure argon i think
[22:21:47] <Tom_itx> but mine was similar
[22:21:47] <andypugh> I guess that the Alu was reducing the shielding gas (probably CO2 is a bad choice)
[22:22:09] <Tom_itx> it stuck but didn't look very pretty
[22:22:20] <Tom_itx> it was just practice anyway
[22:22:36] <archivist> argon for alu
[22:22:42] <Tom_itx> yep
[22:22:52] <zeeshan|2> i tried using my argon tank with my friends mig welder
[22:22:58] <zeeshan|2> it failed miserably on steel
[22:22:59] <zeeshan|2> lol
[22:23:05] <zeeshan|2> its amazing how much effect the shielding gas has.
[22:23:07] <Tom_itx> you need mix for steel
[22:23:10] <zeeshan|2> yes
[22:23:10] <Tom_itx> or co2
[22:23:11] <andypugh> Yeah, mine survived 5 series of RobotWars. It was a very strange pulley shaped like a top-hat that put the drive belt half way down the motor body.
[22:23:13] <zeeshan|2> argon co2 mix
[22:23:17] <zeeshan|2> 75% co2
[22:23:24] <Tom_itx> i use a tri mix
[22:23:30] <zeeshan|2> thats exotic
[22:23:31] <zeeshan|2> ;p
[22:23:36] <Tom_itx> pretty common here
[22:23:59] <Tom_itx> i foget what the other gas was
[22:24:22] <zeeshan|2> helium
[22:24:41] <zeeshan|2> PetefromTn_:
[22:24:46] <zeeshan|2> can you check weld welding gas they were using?
[22:24:53] <zeeshan|2> if they're usiing a helium-argon mix
[22:25:06] <zeeshan|2> that might explain why they can get away with a single pass with lower amps
[22:25:26] <PetefromTn_> yeah I can check..
[22:25:37] <PetefromTn_> I THOUGHT he said straight argon tho..
[22:25:38] <zeeshan|2> you get a much hotter arc with helium
[22:25:45] <PetefromTn_> yeah I know.
[22:25:46] <zeeshan|2> 50/50
[22:26:22] <zeeshan|2> pete you know im quite lazy
[22:26:30] <zeeshan|2> when i weld sch 40 stainless piping for exhaust manifolds
[22:26:39] <zeeshan|2> (i believe .105 wall)
[22:26:49] <zeeshan|2> ill just dial the amps to 88
[22:26:52] <zeeshan|2> and weld full throttle
[22:27:05] <zeeshan|2> that way i don't have to back purge it cause it won't penetrate through
[22:27:13] <zeeshan|2> and the back of the weld is protected by a layer of stainless :p
[22:27:43] <PetefromTn_> huh..
[22:27:55] <zeeshan|2> its when it penetrates through
[22:27:57] <zeeshan|2> it starts to sugar
[22:28:09] <zeeshan|2> and make the weld turn grey
[22:28:09] <PetefromTn_> I did some stainless welding for a guy on a beer brewing stand.
[22:28:26] <PetefromTn_> used the schedule 40 piping and fittings.
[22:28:41] <PetefromTn_> It was pretty thick so that was not really a problem.
[22:28:55] <PetefromTn_> He dropped in a couple times while I was working on it and we checked with a mirror.
[22:28:56] <zeeshan|2> well if you set the amps to more than the thickness of the pipe
[22:28:59] <zeeshan|2> itl'll penetrate through
[22:29:10] <zeeshan|2> and sugar if its not back purged
[22:29:42] <PetefromTn_> yeah I know it is time consuming.
[22:30:02] <PetefromTn_> I just use duct tape and make a little hole LOL usually.
[22:30:15] <zeeshan|2> duct tape residue !!!
[22:30:24] <PetefromTn_> yeah ya gotta clean it off..
[22:30:24] <zeeshan|2> aluminum foil works with painters masking tape
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[22:30:42] <PetefromTn_> but ya gotta clean the pieces anyways..
[22:30:42] <zeeshan|2> ill try my best to avoid backpurging as much as i can..
[22:30:57] <zeeshan|2> you know color is a bad thing right?
[22:31:00] <zeeshan|2> in a stainless weld
[22:31:25] <zeeshan|2> my friend welds stainless for the food instustry
[22:31:30] <PetefromTn_> I cannot believe how many guys local I know who build jeeps that do not even sand the mill scale off...
[22:31:43] <zeeshan|2> *industry.. they have to remove all color from the pipes
[22:31:49] <zeeshan|2> and smoothen out then weld
[22:31:56] <zeeshan|2> and polish
[22:32:31] <zeeshan|2> http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p252/turbozee84/weld-2.jpg
[22:32:34] <zeeshan|2> ^ guess the weld settings
[22:32:36] <PetefromTn_> I usually use acetone and wipe the welds down and then hit it with a stainless wire brush...
[22:32:47] <zeeshan|2> fillet weld, 1 side is .0625 thick, the other is 3/8 thick
[22:33:05] <andypugh> Is Connor about? (I am not 100% sure that Connor != Zeeshan)
[22:33:07] <PetefromTn_> I love the colors...LOL
[22:33:27] <PetefromTn_> huh?
[22:33:35] <PetefromTn_> Connor is peck drilling LOL...
[22:33:49] <zeeshan|2> andypugh: you called me connor?!?!
[22:33:50] <zeeshan|2> OMG!
[22:34:06] <PetefromTn_> Connor is THE MAN!!
[22:34:22] <PetefromTn_> Zeeshan is.....well... LOL
[22:34:30] <PetefromTn_> ;)
[22:34:32] <zeeshan|2> zeeshan is... depends on the day
[22:34:33] <zeeshan|2> :)
[22:35:28] <zeeshan|2> have you ever fusion welded
[22:35:29] <zeeshan|2> only?
[22:36:05] <andypugh> You mean as opposed to brazing or silver-soldering?
[22:36:05] <PetefromTn_> you mean not adding rod..
[22:36:14] <PetefromTn_> sure..
[22:36:14] <zeeshan|2> yes
[22:36:16] <zeeshan|2> not adding rod
[22:36:20] <zeeshan|2> and just fusing
[22:36:25] <zeeshan|2> andypugh: no still tig
[22:36:42] <PetefromTn_> I have done that for thin stuff sometimes.
[22:36:46] <andypugh> That’t still fusion welding, but is autogenous fusion welding.
[22:37:05] <andypugh> I do it whenever I can, as it’s easier :-)
[22:37:08] <zeeshan|2> http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p252/turbozee84/4g_eclipse/weld.jpg
[22:37:10] <zeeshan|2> not my best stuff
[22:37:12] <zeeshan|2> but thats fusion welded
[22:37:31] <zeeshan|2> works good for intercooler pipes
[22:37:36] <zeeshan|2> that will only at most see 30psi
[22:37:47] <zeeshan|2> and abuse when putting it on/off the car
[22:38:02] <andypugh> I autogenous-welded all the Ti on the RobotWars robot because I couldn’t find Ti fller rod. :-)
[22:38:11] <zeeshan|2> haha
[22:38:18] <zeeshan|2> i've never welded Ti before
[22:38:32] <zeeshan|2> http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p252/turbozee84/4g_eclipse/piping_polished3.jpg
[22:38:40] <zeeshan|2> i like fusion welding cause it makes removing color a lot easier
[22:39:53] <PetefromTn_> http://imagebin.org/304000 that is a HUGE church bell I Tig welded for a local customer.
[22:40:08] <zeeshan|2> that is indeed HUGE
[22:40:09] <zeeshan|2> lol
[22:40:09] <PetefromTn_> The top area is THICK...
[22:40:15] <zeeshan|2> cast iron?
[22:40:21] <PetefromTn_> I had to grind down into it quite a bit.
[22:40:23] <PetefromTn_> Bronze..
[22:40:26] <zeeshan|2> dude
[22:40:29] <zeeshan|2> you shouldnt have returned it.
[22:40:31] <andypugh> I would assume “Bell Metal”
[22:40:32] <zeeshan|2> recycle that shit
[22:40:38] <zeeshan|2> that stuff is worth so much money haha
[22:40:46] <PetefromTn_> then add layers on top of layers.
[22:40:55] <andypugh> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bell_metal
[22:41:09] <PetefromTn_> had to preheat the crap out of it and then slowly cool it down over a couple hours..
[22:41:16] <zeeshan|2> i dont know why i said cast iron (cast iron would dampen impulses)
[22:41:48] <PetefromTn_> the guy actually brought me the proper rod because when he asked me if I could do it I told him hell no I never welded a church bell before.
[22:42:03] <zeeshan|2> haha
[22:42:10] <andypugh> There is a bell in London with a crack in it. You could offer to fix it. It’s called Big Ben.
[22:42:13] <PetefromTn_> He actually specializes in restoring them..
[22:42:35] <PetefromTn_> He had a special large commercial van with a gantry mounted in it to lift them.
[22:42:41] <zeeshan|2> i know two things that are stupid expensive to weld
[22:42:44] <PetefromTn_> He wanted me to come work for him down in his shop
[22:42:46] <zeeshan|2> inconel and bronze
[22:42:50] <zeeshan|2> and ofcourse copper
[22:42:58] <zeeshan|2> the filler rods are $$$$$$$
[22:43:10] <PetefromTn_> I almost did but he told me the bell work is not consistent.
[22:43:25] <PetefromTn_> I also tig welded a heavy part for his gantry mechanism.
[22:44:05] <PetefromTn_> The funny thing is while that bell was really big he was like laughing at me and said that one is TINY!!
[22:44:14] <zeeshan|2> i honestly refuse any jobs that can hurt someone
[22:44:23] <PetefromTn_> He wanted to bring me one of the big ones but I had no way to move it around the shop.
[22:44:34] <zeeshan|2> if that weld fails, they can sue you for everything you have!
[22:44:37] <PetefromTn_> Yeah me too I refuse to do work on brakes or suspension.
[22:45:07] <zeeshan|2> even though we know how to weld to some degree
[22:45:10] <PetefromTn_> meh actually it rocks inside a large yoke that kinda houses it.
[22:45:10] <zeeshan|2> we don't have our papers.
[22:45:12] <andypugh> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_ben#Great_Bell is quite a big bell.
[22:45:33] <zeeshan|2> andypugh: i've taken a tour inside it :D
[22:45:49] <zeeshan|2> it's huge.
[22:46:01] <andypugh> I have no idea why they traditionally swing the bell rather than move the hammer.
[22:46:05] <PetefromTn_> yeah I don't take on certain work if it could cause injury if anything goes wrong...
[22:46:27] <PetefromTn_> I also do not take on work that I am not fully confident I can do... Except for that bell LOL...
[22:46:28] <andypugh> (Though not in the case of clock bells, as far as I know)
[22:46:38] <zeeshan|2> you guys distract me from doing work
[22:46:41] <zeeshan|2> BACK To the garage!
[22:46:42] <zeeshan|2> :P
[22:47:13] <PetefromTn_> I should get something done in the shop too but I was comfortable on my recliner here LOL...
[22:47:18] <archivist> I was just going to distract you with belfry pictures :)
[22:47:36] <andypugh> I have stood here while this was going on. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1gNEdsAgmiI
[22:48:32] <PetefromTn_> LOL glad I could inspire some interesting conversation
[22:49:26] <andypugh> Much better sound quality here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RjjfJe469As
[22:51:43] <andypugh> archivist: Reading the comments, what do they mean by “ringing down to a 10” ?
[22:52:47] <archivist> you need to ask a bell ringer they have some funny terms
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[22:57:15] <archivist> can be fun testing the clock striking on a quiet weekday, wake the village up
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[23:49:11] <Tom_itx> andypugh what character set are you using here? about every line you type has odd characters in it here...
[23:49:59] <andypugh> I have no idea
[23:50:30] <Tom_itx>
[23:50:32] <Tom_itx> is one
[23:50:40] <andypugh> Asking the wider audience, it this a generic problem, or is it just him?
[23:50:54] <Tom_itx> you're the only one i see
[23:51:09] <XXCoder1> normak here
[23:51:32] <andypugh> I am using Unicode (UTF-8)
[23:51:33] <XXCoder1> tom you might want to change fon
[23:51:36] <Tom_itx> it's likely my client but he's the only one here that looks odd
[23:51:54] <XXCoder1> oh hmm my client hexchat handles unicode just fine
[23:51:57] <andypugh> I am likely to also be the only one using unicode
[23:52:09] <Tom_itx> i'm using mirc here
[23:52:13] <Tom_itx> i use xchat on linux
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[23:52:28] <XXCoder1> hexchat is fork of xchat
[23:52:37] <Tom_itx> let's see what xchat looks like on here
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[23:52:40] <XXCoder1> pretty lot more modern thougg but same look and such
[23:52:41] <andypugh> I changed to ASCII. Did it help?
[23:52:49] <XXCoder1> you gonna use " and such
[23:53:00] <Tom_itx> i dunno, try those same characters i posted
[23:53:04] <andypugh> "
[23:53:07] <andypugh> '
[23:53:13] <Tom_itx> looks fine now
[23:53:39] <XXCoder1> xchat is oretty old
[23:53:46] <XXCoder1> some parts of it predate unicode
[23:54:01] <Tom_itx> i'm not sure how to change it in mirc
[23:54:15] <XXCoder1> heh I dont like mirc
[23:54:27] <Tom_itx> i've used it for years
[23:54:32] <andypugh> The problem now is that I can’t talk about my trips to Köln, for example.
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[23:55:07] <andypugh> Actually, I probably can, as I think umlaut-o is in Ascii.
[23:56:39] <Tom_itx> xchat handles them fine
[23:56:43] <Tom_itx> just mirc
[23:56:44] <andypugh> I probably can’t spell Encyclopædia correctly any more
[23:57:00] <XXCoder1> tom if you like xchat you'll do great with hexchat
[23:57:07] <XXCoder1> not all that different
[23:57:16] <Tom_itx> i got no reason to change
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[23:59:42] <Tom_itx> hmm, i don't see anywhere to change the font in mirc..