#linuxcnc | Logs for 2014-03-10

[00:00:22] <s1dev> what drives do you have?
[00:00:27] <zeeshan|2> PetefromTn_: honestly im out of ideas
[00:00:33] <zeeshan|2> i know its one of those 3 things thats wrong
[00:00:44] <zeeshan|2> if it was the driver im using, i'd be of more help!
[00:01:14] <Gamma-X> s1dev, http://www.ebay.com/itm/CNC-Stepper-Motor-Driver-Controller-2MA860H-Peak-7-2A-l-/300938576135?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item4611564107
[00:01:28] <PetefromTn_> Sheeeit that sucks.
[00:01:36] <PetefromTn_> I thought we were almost there.
[00:02:37] <zeeshan|2> you are!
[00:02:43] <zeeshan|2> but you have communication errors :P
[00:02:48] <CaptHindsight> humble_sea_bass: that quantum website seels braille readers that supposedly use dielectric elastomer displays
[00:03:02] <s1dev> Gamma-X: do you use encoders on your steppers?
[00:03:09] <Gamma-X> no.
[00:03:20] <humble_sea_bass> time to call them up and order one i guess
[00:03:33] <CaptHindsight> humble_sea_bass: in Australia
[00:03:34] <Connor> What's it doing ?
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[00:03:44] <PetefromTn_> not communicating...
[00:03:51] <humble_sea_bass> they must have yankee distributors
[00:04:18] <Connor> start the spindle up.. let me look at the serial ports..
[00:04:25] <Connor> see which one is dumping data.
[00:04:36] <CaptHindsight> humble_sea_bass: 11:04:17 AM there now
[00:04:45] <Gamma-X> zeeshan|2, you lookin for 9 amp stepper drivers before?
[00:04:54] <zeeshan|2> Gamma-X: yea
[00:04:59] <PetefromTn_> just did..
[00:05:07] <Gamma-X> zeeshan|2, http://www.ebay.com/itm/Nema-34-42-stepper-motor-driver-DM2722A-110-230VAC-peak-9-8A-200micsteps-/271265165876?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3f28a9f234
[00:05:09] <CaptHindsight> http://www.quantumrlv.com.au/blindness/braille-notetakers-and-displays.html
[00:05:23] <zeeshan|2> i dont trust that longs company
[00:05:26] <zeeshan|2> shits gonna catch on fire
[00:05:28] <zeeshan|2> lol
[00:05:37] <Gamma-X> zeeshan|2, there all rebranded leedshine
[00:05:41] <zeeshan|2> o
[00:05:57] <Connor> I'm pretty sure that ttyS0 is the db9
[00:06:23] <andypugh> s1dev: Encoders on steppers typically don't buy you much.
[00:06:26] <zeeshan|2> can you see data being passed
[00:06:27] <zeeshan|2> through it?
[00:06:38] <s1dev> I do need a spindle encoder
[00:06:40] <s1dev> though
[00:06:42] <PetefromTn_> spindle is running..
[00:06:57] <andypugh> The exception is when the encoder goes to the stepper drive, and the stepper drive is really a servo drive that can handle a 50-pole motor
[00:06:59] <Connor> not seeing anything.
[00:07:01] <Connor> Hmm.
[00:07:08] <Gamma-X> s1dev, ok...
[00:07:28] <CaptHindsight> humble_sea_bass: no bargain http://www.quantumrlv.com.au/blindness/braille-notetakers-and-displays/focus-40-blue.html $3K AuD
[00:07:30] <s1dev> don't worry, I wasn't asking about stepper encoders for my spindle :P
[00:07:32] <humble_sea_bass> CaptHindsight: those are standard braille products made by US/Korean companies. none of it is EAP
[00:07:33] <zeeshan|2> connor
[00:07:36] <zeeshan|2> nothing on s1 either?
[00:07:49] <Gamma-X> s1dev, might need to make one...
[00:07:54] <CaptHindsight> humble_sea_bass: the NASA site linked to them
[00:08:04] <Gamma-X> s1dev, have a photo of lathe ?
[00:08:24] <Connor> I did cat /dev/ttyS0
[00:08:42] <Connor> and it returns nothing and exists.
[00:08:51] <s1dev> http://www.lathe.com/images/820.jpg
[00:08:52] <Connor> cat /dev/ttyS1 just sits there.. and nothing..
[00:08:53] <s1dev> something like that
[00:09:07] <s1dev> let me see if I can get a better view of the headstock
[00:09:08] <zeeshan|2> connor
[00:09:13] <zeeshan|2> so its more than likely a driver issue
[00:09:23] <zeeshan|2> let me check what mine does
[00:09:26] <zeeshan|2> when i send signals
[00:09:26] <Gamma-X> s1dev, http://www.ebay.com/itm/US-Ship-Promote-3-Axis-Nema34-Stepper-Motor-1232-OZ-IN-Drivers-CNC-Mill-/271334216268?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3f2cc7924c
[00:09:48] <s1dev> hmm
[00:10:16] <CaptHindsight> humble_sea_bass: http://spie.org/x37076.xml?ArticleID=x37076
[00:10:36] <KreAture> hgey guys
[00:10:43] <KreAture> anyone know of an app like heekscnc ?
[00:10:54] <zeeshan|2> hm
[00:10:54] <Gamma-X> s1dev, prolly wont get easier than that.
[00:10:58] <zeeshan|2> mine doesnt output anytjing
[00:11:00] <zeeshan|2> but my vfd isnt on
[00:11:01] <CaptHindsight> opencad, freecad
[00:11:05] <zeeshan|2> thats why :P i cant power it up here
[00:11:17] <KreAture> CaptHindsight they don't output gcode do they?
[00:11:31] <Connor> does it cat just exit? or hang ?
[00:11:36] <zeeshan|2> it exits
[00:11:40] <CaptHindsight> KreAture: you want CAM or CAD?
[00:11:42] <zeeshan|2> without showing anything
[00:11:48] <KreAture> both in one please
[00:11:53] <CaptHindsight> pycam
[00:11:59] <Connor> well... if you don't have the VFD powered on... no telling...
[00:12:09] <KreAture> in heeks I can easily take a stl add some scetches on it, maby some support and then dropcut it
[00:12:21] <KreAture> adding drills and contours where I need
[00:12:24] <humble_sea_bass> i think that was maybe a protoype, but these cats arent selling anything new. I remember seeing this back in 2009
[00:12:36] <KreAture> it hasn't been very stable though
[00:12:37] <KreAture> hehe
[00:13:45] <CaptHindsight> humble_sea_bass: http://spie.org/documents/newsroom/videos/1738/Pisa-HCDE.mov
[00:13:47] <s1dev> Gamma-X: something about that company's listing doesn't make me confident in their ability to keep it from bursting into flames
[00:13:49] <Connor> PetefromTn_: Start spindle up again..
[00:13:59] <Connor> I'm not doing tail -f /dev/ttyS0
[00:14:02] <Connor> err. now doing
[00:14:03] <PetefromTn_> never turned it off...
[00:14:26] <CaptHindsight> humble_sea_bass: I can see how to make them really easily now
[00:14:29] <Connor> Hmm.
[00:14:30] <Connor> okay.
[00:14:41] <CaptHindsight> no coils, all printed
[00:14:56] <Gamma-X> s1dev, lots of people have had good use of leedshine stuff. There the same company and same motors youd be buying before. I use the same stuff on my mill. top quality although I will eventually be switching to a mesa card...
[00:16:25] <Connor> are we getting ANY communications ?
[00:16:25] <PetefromTn_> how would I tell?
[00:16:25] <Connor> I dunno, asking zeeshan|2
[00:16:25] <zeeshan|2> Connor:
[00:16:25] <zeeshan|2> no nothing
[00:16:25] <zeeshan|2> cause you'd see the led's light up
[00:16:25] <zeeshan|2> and change in hal config
[00:16:25] <PetefromTn_> still have the hal config up and watching the outputs.
[00:16:25] <Connor> okay. It possible we got the Rx and Tx backwards ?
[00:16:25] <zeeshan|2> the wiring was slightly off
[00:16:36] <Connor> What did we have wrong with the wiring ?
[00:16:38] <s1dev> Gamma-X: I would also be paying for the drivers and psu half again, an extra motor I can easily sell
[00:16:45] <zeeshan|2> sp was okay
[00:16:48] <zeeshan|2> but sn was going to rx
[00:16:51] <zeeshan|2> it shoulda been going to tx-
[00:16:56] <zeeshan|2> ignore the rx tx bs
[00:17:02] <zeeshan|2> i was looking D+ and D-
[00:17:08] <Connor> What. You sure ?
[00:17:09] <CaptHindsight> humble_sea_bass: http://spie.org/documents/newsroom/videos/1738/SRI_Braille-prototype_Squares-lines.MPG
[00:17:10] <zeeshan|2> yes
[00:17:37] <zeeshan|2> http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p252/turbozee84/3DECDB3D-BCB3-40A1-A8E7-D1A06BF7070E_zps7vz2efew.jpg
[00:17:40] <zeeshan|2> check that out connor
[00:17:43] <Connor> I though it was differential.. and we're only using it as single ended..
[00:17:43] <zeeshan|2> thats how mine is wired
[00:18:09] <zeeshan|2> d+ for me is SP
[00:18:12] <zeeshan|2> d- is SN
[00:18:16] <zeeshan|2> left 2 pins
[00:18:36] <Connor> OKay, He Has TX + , TX - , RX + RX -, GND and 5-12V
[00:18:40] <zeeshan|2> yea
[00:18:42] <PetefromTn_> yeah but it sounds like yours does not actually work no?
[00:18:46] <zeeshan|2> but if you look at under TX+ and TX-
[00:18:47] <zeeshan|2> it says
[00:18:52] <Gamma-X> s1dev, buy it all seperatly but thats a good deal.
[00:18:53] <zeeshan|2> PetefromTn_: mine works
[00:18:55] <zeeshan|2> damn you it works
[00:19:01] <zeeshan|2> its not working cause the vfd doesnt have 220v running into it
[00:19:03] <zeeshan|2> cause im in my room
[00:19:16] <PetefromTn_> then how do you know it works?
[00:19:18] <Gamma-X> PetefromTn_, please take notes for this as I have same adapter and in a year ill be reaching out to you for help on it! lol
[00:19:24] <zeeshan|2> PetefromTn_: cause i tested it out?!!?
[00:19:32] <Connor> Have we tried it with RX + yet ?
[00:19:32] <zeeshan|2> remember when i was powering it with my dryer plug
[00:19:33] <zeeshan|2> lol
[00:19:44] <PetefromTn_> okay okay just checkin' hehehehe
[00:19:46] <zeeshan|2> Connor: rx + and rx-
[00:19:51] <zeeshan|2> and tx+ and tx-
[00:19:54] <zeeshan|2> are for rs422
[00:19:55] <zeeshan|2> not rs485
[00:20:23] <Connor> Isn't that just rs485 but differential ?
[00:20:25] <PetefromTn_> Gamma-X Don't hold yer breath man...LOL
[00:20:36] <zeeshan|2> rs485 is single line
[00:20:37] <zeeshan|2> differential
[00:20:54] <zeeshan|2> http://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/MTAwMFgxMDAw/z/5EAAAOxyONBSaTs8/$(KGrHqR,!jgFEg8q1K1RBS,Ts8(PiQ~~60_57.JPG
[00:20:59] <zeeshan|2> look at d- and d+
[00:21:03] <zeeshan|2> under those pins
[00:21:19] <Connor> ok
[00:21:41] <Connor> It possible we have the TX- and TX + swapped ?
[00:21:46] <zeeshan|2> thats quite possible
[00:21:51] <zeeshan|2> cause then the 0s are 1s
[00:21:55] <zeeshan|2> would be happening inverted
[00:21:57] <zeeshan|2> i'd think
[00:22:06] <Gamma-X> http://sun-store.ru/data/big/img_4853.jpg
[00:22:08] <Connor> Red was in TX +
[00:22:09] <zeeshan|2> http://img.tomshardware.com/us/2004/11/29/the_tft_connection/differential-signal.jpg
[00:22:13] <zeeshan|2> actually it shouldnt matter
[00:22:14] <zeeshan|2> look at that
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[00:23:04] <zeeshan|2> theres no harm is
[00:23:10] <zeeshan|2> in moving red to d-
[00:23:14] <zeeshan|2> and the white to d+
[00:23:18] <zeeshan|2> swap em pete!
[00:23:20] <zeeshan|2> and try it out
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[00:24:30] <zeeshan|2> http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p252/turbozee84/VFD_GUI_zps548be878.png
[00:24:35] <zeeshan|2> ^remember pete? :D
[00:24:41] <zeeshan|2> http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p252/turbozee84/A17C43E5-4B2F-4CB1-A4A8-F02A440D06A7_zpsxfj8q1ag.jpg
[00:24:44] <zeeshan|2> test setup
[00:24:44] <zeeshan|2> :D
[00:24:47] <PetefromTn_> http://imagebin.org/298198 http://imagebin.org/298196
[00:24:49] <zeeshan|2> http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p252/turbozee84/F18BB830-4E76-46F3-B6F0-010852820697_zpsr2x9i3sn.jpg
[00:25:28] <zeeshan|2> try swapping the sn and sp wires
[00:25:53] <andypugh> zeeshan|2: Extreme Carpeting.
[00:26:03] <PetefromTn_> Do I gotta shut it all down and restart?
[00:26:09] <zeeshan|2> PetefromTn_: prolly
[00:26:38] <PetefromTn_> okay standby.
[00:26:41] <zeeshan|2> andypugh: i was paranoid my vfd would short on the floor
[00:26:42] <zeeshan|2> lol
[00:26:55] <zeeshan|2> rubber mat for the win
[00:27:07] <andypugh> I was really meaning the way that the stair treads are wrapped.
[00:27:22] <zeeshan|2> oh
[00:27:22] <zeeshan|2> haha
[00:27:26] <andypugh> It's not like you can walk on the parts outside the spindles.
[00:27:37] <zeeshan|2> sometimes im paranoid
[00:27:39] <zeeshan|2> =)
[00:28:36] <andypugh> Hang on, you are in the US? I hadn't considered the possibility that each tread is a slab of roadkill.
[00:29:21] <Gamma-X> andypugh, you have any files for that encoder wheel you made?
[00:29:26] <zeeshan|2> canada
[00:29:28] <andypugh> I actually quite like the old fashioned narrow carpet and brass stair-rods look.
[00:30:01] <andypugh> Gamma-X: I have made lots of encoder wheels
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[00:30:49] <zeeshan|2> i want to replace it with hardwood
[00:30:54] <zeeshan|2> its a pain in the ass the vacuum
[00:31:26] <PetefromTn_> okay just restarted and still all maroon damnit.
[00:31:38] <PetefromTn_> Did you see the pics I posted?
[00:31:44] <zeeshan|2> yuea
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[00:31:55] <zeeshan|2> all you did was swap the wires
[00:31:56] <zeeshan|2> right
[00:32:07] <PetefromTn_> yeah on the VFD panel.
[00:32:12] <Gamma-X> andypugh, Do you share any of your cad files?
[00:32:35] <Gamma-X> PetefromTn_, did you setup the vfd to be controlled from external source and not keypad?
[00:32:37] <andypugh> I am willing to share any of them
[00:32:50] <PetefromTn_> Gamma-X They said not to yet.
[00:33:45] <andypugh> Gamma-X: Do you mean this one? https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/izs9EehSiBmY_omIxaSJBtMTjNZETYmyPJy0liipFm0?feat=directlink
[00:33:49] <Gamma-X> andypugh, im interested in getting any of them haha something to start off with is better than nothing in my case. Gotta make the encoder wheel for my rf45.
[00:34:00] <zeeshan|2> Gamma-X: you don't need to
[00:34:08] <zeeshan|2> when you're only trrying to read data from vfd
[00:34:10] <zeeshan|2> not write
[00:34:34] <Gamma-X> zeeshan|2, I have a sj200 and I beleive it required you to change it.
[00:34:44] <Gamma-X> could be wrong though!
[00:34:56] <Gamma-X> andypugh, jesus@ you made that?!
[00:34:58] <PetefromTn_> zeeshan|2 Hey man tell ya what I am gonna take a break here and get some dinner my wife is cooking and maybe we can get back to it in a bit if you are available?
[00:35:05] <zeeshan|2> sounds good
[00:35:08] <zeeshan|2> connor can chime in too
[00:35:11] <zeeshan|2> hopefully we can get it working
[00:35:26] <PetefromTn_> Okay be back in abit.. thanks so much guys.
[00:35:56] <andypugh> Gamma-X: No, I paid a PCB solder-mask company down the road to make those. But they were only £20 each..
[00:36:16] <Gamma-X> thats a good idea. I was reffering to the one on the mill you shown me the other night.
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[00:36:41] <andypugh> If you mean the top-hat one on the mini-mill then I don't think there was any CAD, I just made it.
[00:37:56] <andypugh> What are you counting with?
[00:38:10] <s1dev> Gamma-X: so you have this kit?
[00:38:45] <andypugh> I don't think I am actually using any of my home-made encoders any more. There may be a lesson there :-)
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[00:40:07] <Gamma-X> andypugh, probably opto... I need something.. lol
[00:41:27] <andypugh> The Harrison has a resolver on the spindle now. The combo machine has a commercial encoder gear-driven from the lathe spindle, but still has the home-made one on the mill spindle. That one has acually always worked. The lathe one used reflective sensors and was always going out of adjustment.
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[00:41:27] <Gamma-X> s1dev, Im basicly using every component on that except for the size motors.
[00:41:27] <Gamma-X> andypugh, Ill do anything, thinner the better...
[00:43:06] <andypugh> My spindle encoder is basically a thin aluminium top-hat that fits between the spindle bearing locknuts, and is top-hat shaped to reach around those nuts to where slot-detectors could be mounted.
[00:43:35] <andypugh> (it makes adjusting spindle preload a lot harder, I had to make special tools)
[00:44:10] <Tom_itx> you probably enjoyed that though
[00:44:16] <andypugh> Then I just hand-coded some G-code to make the slots with a slitting saw and rotary axis.
[00:44:36] <Gamma-X> Yeah I dont have that lol
[00:45:07] <s1dev> Gamma-X: got a solution for controlling the spindle and putting an encoder on it?
[00:45:22] <s1dev> it's a single phase motor
[00:45:46] <Gamma-X> ac or dc motor
[00:45:53] <s1dev> ac
[00:46:06] <s1dev> 220V
[00:46:13] <s1dev> if that's any help
[00:46:43] <andypugh> Tom_itx: I was talking to my dad today about scraping the Rivett lathe bed, and how a carbide scraper would be nice. He mentioned that years ago he somehow aquired the box of a toolmaker with an actual commercial carbide bed scraper. The box also contained 8 other scrapers. This is in addition to the 4 or 5 of his that I know live in the file drawer.
[00:47:19] <andypugh> So, I now own a carbide scraper. Just when I have almost finished.
[00:47:56] <Gamma-X> s1dev, vfd
[00:48:09] <CaptHindsight> I just use old broken carbide facemill inserts
[00:48:22] <s1dev> I thought VFDs were only for 3 phase motors?
[00:48:32] <Tom_itx> andypugh, aren't you the lucky one!
[00:51:03] <Tom_itx> that is if it was all found..
[00:51:12] <andypugh> Ah, yes, I also brought back a pot of 3/4" carbide squares he had. Like inserts but with no cutter geometry. He has _so_ much stuff.
[00:51:49] <Tom_itx> i've got a small piece of tungsten but it was for ballast
[00:52:16] <Gamma-X> s1dev, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AToHf7yf2nw
[00:52:21] <andypugh> s1dev: Typically, yes, you use a 3-phase motor with a VFD, because 3-phase motors are simply better.
[00:52:23] <Tom_itx> not sure how that differs from tool carbide
[00:53:51] <andypugh> Gamma-X: I can't watch portrait-mode videos. It's a religius thing.
[00:53:57] <Gamma-X> lol
[00:54:31] <Gamma-X> ghetto cheapest way to control single phase motor
[00:54:45] <andypugh> If you have a VFD there is no reason _not_ to use a three-phase motor.
[00:55:00] <s1dev> andypugh: other than not having a three-phase motor
[00:55:28] <Gamma-X> s1dev, they can be had for cheap! and more reliable more power...
[00:55:29] <andypugh> I used a dimmer switch to control a heated crucible thing. That was fun.
[00:55:51] <s1dev> Gamma-X: how much for a 1hp 3 phase motor?
[00:56:28] <andypugh> Indeed, no internal contacts, and they actually have a real direction of rotation, rather than a hint and a sense of habit
[00:56:36] <Gamma-X> check ebay. I picked up a brand new 3hp 3 phase baldor for 75 bucks on craigslist!
[00:57:04] <Gamma-X> s1dev, whats current motor rated at?
[00:57:12] <s1dev> brb
[00:58:41] <andypugh> s1dev: $30 ? http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_odkw=1+hp+motor&_osacat=0&_from=R40&_trksid=p2045573.m570.l1313.TR0.TRC0.H0.X1+hp+motor+%283PH%2C+three+phase%29&_nkw=1+hp+motor+%283PH%2C+three+phase%29&_sacat=0
[00:59:52] <s1dev> I'm not sure but the drum switch says 1hp
[01:01:03] <CaptHindsight> what's more powerful a 1HP single phase motor or a 1HP 3 phase motor?
[01:02:10] <Gamma-X> 3 phase if your running 3 phase.
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[01:02:49] <andypugh> Well, technically they are idenitacally powerful, at 1HP
[01:03:24] <PetefromTn_> Okay back again LOL...
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[01:08:28] <CaptHindsight> http://www.ebay.com/itm/261366798165 I have one of these I can't decide what to do with
[01:08:42] <CaptHindsight> ENCO 110-2075 LATHE 12'' X 36''
[01:08:49] <Gamma-X> sell it
[01:09:19] <PetefromTn_> Wow that one is hozed !
[01:09:25] <CaptHindsight> all those crazy gears
[01:09:28] <Gamma-X> seriosuly!
[01:09:38] <Gamma-X> i dont ever wanna mess with a lathe and gears.
[01:09:55] <PetefromTn_> why mine has the same stuff works great...
[01:10:31] <CaptHindsight> PetefromTn_: how rigid is it?
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[01:11:54] <CaptHindsight> I got this similar one since it was dead, one of the pins for the gears had sheared off and the wiring in the controller was cut
[01:12:14] <CaptHindsight> I fixed the gear but I never actually powered it up
[01:13:17] <PetefromTn_> Well compared to what exactly?
[01:13:53] <PetefromTn_> I use it tons and works fine for me with whatever I need to do. Cuts decent. It is not a 4klb lathe and never will be..
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[01:26:55] <CaptHindsight> CHNC vs HNC whats the difference?
[01:27:30] <PetefromTn_> That one looks pretty sweet man...
[01:27:37] <Gamma-X> PetefromTn_, how much?
[01:27:41] <PetefromTn_> The machine itself is not very big tho...
[01:27:42] <andypugh> This is a friend's HXL. Without the tinwork and a modern control cabinet it is fairly comact, and you can see what is going on, and fit special tooling. https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/Qll6-unQntbnBFe2fjfNbSE34QWor4gUzfw_1O9qsPw?feat=directlink
[01:28:24] <PetefromTn_> Gamma-X How much what?
[01:28:43] <andypugh> (He made the control console from scratch)
[01:28:48] <Gamma-X> the machines u saw
[01:28:53] <Gamma-X> or you meant they use em.
[01:29:36] <s1dev> battery charger as a power supply? <y/n>
[01:29:40] <andypugh> OK, work day tomorrow. Goodnight chaps.
[01:29:50] <PetefromTn_> yeah they were running the berries off of them.... I was jealous.
[01:29:52] <Gamma-X> s1dev, what?!
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[01:30:00] <s1dev> disregard :P
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[01:31:07] <PetefromTn_> Looked like nice machines tho and honestly probably only took up a few more square feet than my 12x36 did from the looks of them.
[01:31:27] <PetefromTn_> It was a slant bed with hydro chuck and had a tailstock too...
[01:32:02] <Gamma-X> does the lcnc forums have people seling equipment? I need a chuck.
[01:32:20] <PetefromTn_> http://www.ital-tech.com/cnc01.jpg That is almost exactly what it looked like...
[01:33:04] <PetefromTn_> both had chip conveyors and were covered in sludge and shit but that is what it looked like.
[01:35:18] <Gamma-X> sludge is kinda like a lubrication! lol
[01:36:12] <PetefromTn_> yeah well they musta REALLY wanted it lubed up nice especially on the outside covers...lazy bastards LOL.
[01:36:20] <Gamma-X> lol
[01:39:56] <PetefromTn_> well I thought we really had the modbus spindle thing wired there for a minute LOL.
[01:40:24] <Gamma-X> PetefromTn_, do you have a o scope?
[01:40:26] <PetefromTn_> I mean the program part seems to be working unless there is some kinda setting we need to turn on there we are not seeing.
[01:40:39] <PetefromTn_> No unfortunately not. Would like to get one tho..
[01:40:55] <Gamma-X> have one you can borrow from someone
[01:40:55] <Gamma-X> ?
[01:40:59] <PetefromTn_> I wonder if Halscope can see something or what...
[01:41:17] <Gamma-X> only issue is output from that converter.
[01:41:26] <PetefromTn_> no only my pal Art down in Georgia and he is too far.
[01:41:31] <Gamma-X> maby a multimeter can tell you
[01:41:44] <Gamma-X> something with hz
[01:41:51] <Gamma-X> or freq
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[01:42:38] <PetefromTn_> Dunno man I have a decent multimeter but It is just your basic stuff.
[01:43:04] <PetefromTn_> I think we got it wired right and we tried both ways with it I swapped the wires the second time.
[01:43:45] <Gamma-X> the wires have continuity? check all that?
[01:44:15] <PetefromTn_> impossible... Computer is in front and VFD is in back ten feet away...
[01:44:42] <Gamma-X> unhook wires :D
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[01:45:23] <s1dev> spindle encoder solution suggestions
[01:45:53] <PetefromTn_> Well it was a brand new cable and we installed it yesterday so I doubt there is a break anywhere in it.
[01:46:19] <Gamma-X> solid core or braided
[01:46:33] <s1dev> and what should I do for motor mounts and couplings?
[01:47:34] <PetefromTn_> braided four conductor shielded
[01:48:18] <Gamma-X> PetefromTn_, http://askubuntu.com/questions/79302/how-do-i-know-if-my-serial-adapter-card-is-working
[01:48:22] <Gamma-X> loopbacktest.
[01:48:46] <PetefromTn_> I still wonder if we need to remove the wires that used to run the VFD for it to work...
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[01:50:56] <PetefromTn_> Isn't that for serial adapters like pCi or something>?
[01:51:02] <Gamma-X> doesnt matter
[01:52:51] <PetefromTn_> I dunno man not sure if I should try that.
[01:54:39] <PetefromTn_> Is that the D- and D+ wires you are talking about?
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[01:56:06] <PetefromTn_> zeeshan Hey man any ideas?
[01:56:18] <CaptHindsight> http://linuxgizmos.com/tiny-quad-core-mini-pc-ships-for-69/ with SPI on the GPIO
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[01:58:43] <zeeshan> hi
[01:58:47] <zeeshan> any idea about what
[01:59:01] <PetefromTn_> about what to do next with this modbus of course.
[01:59:05] <zeeshan> lol
[01:59:20] <zeeshan> well we know the wiring is correct
[01:59:20] <PetefromTn_> Gamma is suggesting some kinda loopback test..
[01:59:41] <zeeshan> you dont happen to have an oscilliscope
[01:59:42] <zeeshan> do you :)
[02:00:17] <PetefromTn_> nope unfortunately...
[02:00:31] <PetefromTn_> Can we use Halscope?
[02:00:44] <zeeshan> honestly i havent used halscope before
[02:00:44] <zeeshan> ;p
[02:00:46] <Gamma-X> zeeshan, tell him to run loopback test.
[02:00:46] <pcw_home> You should be able to verify polarity by checking the idle levels at the VFD and serial port with a DVM
[02:01:04] <zeeshan> pcw_home: we flipped tghe wires
[02:01:08] <zeeshan> and it still doesnt communicate
[02:01:24] <pcw_home> all 4 combos?
[02:01:24] <Gamma-X> loopback test will tell you if anything is coming out.
[02:01:33] <zeeshan> well theres only 2 wires
[02:01:39] <zeeshan> d+ d-
[02:01:46] <pcw_home> ahh RS-485
[02:01:49] <zeeshan> yes
[02:01:58] <zeeshan> and the polarity shouldnt matter i'd think
[02:02:20] <pcw_home> polarity is critical
[02:02:28] <zeeshan> why
[02:02:34] <zeeshan> its a differential signal
[02:02:40] <Gamma-X> you guys dont know if the serial port is outputting data do you?
[02:02:41] <zeeshan> it looks at the difference between the two signals
[02:03:02] <PetefromTn_> no we do not know for sure..
[02:03:08] <pcw_home> (its just async serial, if the polarity is backwards you will get a constant break when idle)
[02:03:22] <Gamma-X> then you need an oscilioscope or do a loopback test.
[02:04:02] <zeeshan> PetefromTn_: did you change the SP back t D+
[02:04:06] <zeeshan> and SN back to D-?
[02:04:33] <PetefromTn_> no I have not changed anything since before we took a break here.
[02:04:38] <zeeshan> i'd change them back
[02:04:49] <zeeshan> cause i know SP has to be positive
[02:04:52] <zeeshan> cause its shown in your pdf
[02:05:04] <PetefromTn_> okay so SP to D+ and SN to D- correct?
[02:05:08] <zeeshan> yessir
[02:05:12] <zeeshan> so red to d+
[02:05:13] <zeeshan> and white to d-
[02:05:21] <zeeshan> don't want that causing problems later on
[02:05:58] <PetefromTn_> okay hang on..
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[02:07:02] <pcw_home> I wonder if the adapter has built in rx disable or expects the driver to drop the echos
[02:07:11] <zeeshan> pcw_home: i have the same adapter
[02:07:32] <zeeshan> i have sp connected to d+ and sn connected to d-
[02:07:41] <zeeshan> its either a bad converter
[02:07:45] <zeeshan> or the driver is bad
[02:08:05] <Gamma-X> whats so hard about the concept of... a loopback test on the connector?! lol
[02:08:22] <Connor> zeeshan: Or we missed something on the VFD.
[02:08:30] <zeeshan> but we looked at the pdf
[02:08:39] <zeeshan> connor
[02:08:40] <pcw_home> you should try looping back the serial port to make sure its working
[02:08:59] <zeeshan> whats the link to the src again
[02:09:00] <zeeshan> https://github.com/robEllenberg/linuxcnc-mirror/tree/master/src/hal/user_comps
[02:09:04] <Connor> Loop back the Rs232 ?
[02:09:05] <zeeshan> where is it located there
[02:09:09] <Gamma-X> Is everything im writing not being seen?
[02:09:31] <PetefromTn_> Okay got it switched back now..
[02:09:40] <pcw_home> thats easy enough (short serial pin 2 and 3)
[02:09:41] <Connor> https://github.com/OKComputers/linuxcnc-mirror/tree/wj200_vfd
[02:09:46] <Gamma-X> Connor, minicom and bridge what would be pins 2-3
[02:10:06] <PetefromTn_> Is that the d- and D+?
[02:10:10] <Connor> okay, so remove the adapter then..
[02:10:14] <zeeshan> yea
[02:10:22] <zeeshan> dont short d+ and d-!
[02:10:22] <zeeshan> lol
[02:10:39] <PetefromTn_> remove the RS232-RS485 apapter?
[02:10:43] <Connor> yes.
[02:10:53] <PetefromTn_> do I need to shutdown first?
[02:10:59] <zeeshan> no
[02:11:00] <Gamma-X> no,
[02:11:06] <Gamma-X> rs232 is a dumb port.
[02:11:39] <PetefromTn_> okay removed
[02:12:40] <PetefromTn_> http://www.arcelect.com/9_PIN_PIN_OUT.GIF
[02:13:04] <Connor> zeeshan: https://github.com/OKComputers/linuxcnc-mirror/tree/wj200_vfd/src/hal/user_comps/wj200_vfd
[02:13:15] <zeeshan> yea
[02:13:16] <Connor> pins 2 and 3
[02:13:19] <zeeshan> im going through the source code
[02:14:38] <zeeshan> connor
[02:14:44] <Connor> yea
[02:14:46] <zeeshan> where is the mbslaveaddr being set?
[02:14:56] <Connor> no clue.
[02:15:05] <zeeshan> cause i dont see it defined anywhere
[02:15:21] <Connor> it's a parameter pin.. I said something about that a while back
[02:15:29] <Connor> when I was talking about the pins.
[02:15:33] <Connor> it needs to be set.
[02:15:40] <zeeshan> well
[02:15:40] <Connor> I'm assuming via a set
[02:15:45] <zeeshan> you can set it to 1-25
[02:15:49] <zeeshan> on his actual vfd
[02:15:50] <zeeshan> or something
[02:16:08] <zeeshan> yea
[02:16:13] <zeeshan> this looks like you need to define it in the program.
[02:16:16] <Connor> okay, so I need to do a setp
[02:16:19] <Connor> No.
[02:16:28] <Connor> I think it's a settable pin value
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[02:16:50] <Connor> PetefromTn_: What's when looking at it in hal config, what's the prefix?
[02:16:50] <zeeshan> how come we didn't see it listed under wj2000 in hal config
[02:16:55] <Connor> wj200.0. ??
[02:17:37] <PetefromTn_> hang on I am homing it out now..
[02:17:42] <s1dev> what encoders are compatible with linuxcnc?
[02:18:02] <Connor> setp.wj200_vfd.0.mbslaveaddr = 1
[02:18:04] <Connor> I'm thinking
[02:18:10] <Connor> err..
[02:18:19] <Connor> setp wj200_vfd.0.mbslaveaddr = 1
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[02:18:41] <zeeshan> thats definitely the problem
[02:18:48] <zeeshan> =D
[02:19:00] <PetefromTn_> says wj200-vfd.0-command freq for instance..
[02:19:27] <PetefromTn_> in hal watch,,
[02:20:03] <PetefromTn_> sorry wj200-vfd.0.
[02:20:15] <zeeshan> so type in what connor said
[02:20:15] <zeeshan> :D
[02:20:31] <PetefromTn_> where?
[02:20:42] <zeeshan> in hal config
[02:20:46] <PetefromTn_> should I hook the adapter back up?
[02:20:49] <zeeshan> yes
[02:21:07] <zeeshan> http://linuxcnc.org/docs/html/hal/images/HAL_Configuration.png
[02:21:14] <zeeshan> where it says "test hal command"
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[02:21:22] <zeeshan> to test it out
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[02:21:58] <Connor> setp wj200-vfd.0.mbslaveaddr = 1
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[02:22:11] <s1dev> zeeshan: what's your spindle encoder setup?
[02:22:25] <Connor> wait. don't do the =
[02:22:32] <Connor> setp wj200-vfd.0.mbslaveaddr 1
[02:22:33] <PetefromTn_> okay what do I need to click on in the tree?
[02:22:38] <zeeshan> nothing
[02:22:59] <zeeshan> PetefromTn_: do you see a mbslave under wj200_vfd in the tree
[02:23:06] <zeeshan> mbslaveaddr
[02:23:24] <PetefromTn_> before I type that in?
[02:23:34] <zeeshan> (this is an aside)
[02:23:37] <zeeshan> you can type that in first
[02:24:06] <PetefromTn_> okay just did that...
[02:24:08] <PetefromTn_> It says
[02:24:25] <PetefromTn_> setting paramter (what I typed) to 1
[02:24:30] <zeeshan> good
[02:24:36] <zeeshan> can you check my aside thing plz
[02:24:36] <zeeshan> :D
[02:24:41] <PetefromTn_> Paramter (what I typed) set to1
[02:24:49] <zeeshan> s1dev: http://www.cnc4pc.com/Store/osc/product_info.php?cPath=25&products_id=129
[02:24:52] <zeeshan> im using 2 of those cards
[02:25:00] <zeeshan> one for index pulse, one for speed
[02:25:04] <Connor> Adapter hooked back up?
[02:25:29] <zeeshan> connor
[02:25:30] <PetefromTn_> no I only see command freq,watchdog, run, revers, is running, is at speed, is alarm,enable.
[02:25:32] <zeeshan> once this driver is working
[02:25:39] <zeeshan> we gotta add some more functions in the code :)
[02:25:45] <Connor> zeeshan: I know
[02:25:49] <PetefromTn_> yeah adapter is hookedup
[02:26:00] <Connor> fire up the spindle and see if you get anything I guess.
[02:26:14] <zeeshan> watch all the pins in wj200_vfd
[02:26:51] <PetefromTn_> Okay thats different. I cannot turn on the spindle now and the hal shows alarm in yellow.
[02:27:03] <s1dev> zeeshan: shouldn't you be able to just count the index pulses
[02:27:12] <zeeshan> s1dev: not enough resolution
[02:27:21] <Connor> okay.
[02:27:24] <s1dev> *for RPM
[02:27:36] <Connor> turn it off and see if alarm goes away
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[02:27:52] <PetefromTn_> VFD shows E 12.1
[02:28:01] <zeeshan> yay
[02:28:04] <zeeshan> you have communication!!!
[02:28:05] <zeeshan> :D
[02:28:05] <zeeshan> :D
[02:28:05] <zeeshan> :D
[02:28:10] <zeeshan> even though the results are a fail
[02:28:16] <zeeshan> at least its communicating
[02:28:23] <Connor> adding that line into his custom.hal file
[02:28:31] <PetefromTn_> okay so shut the whole thing down now?
[02:28:35] <zeeshan> nah
[02:29:12] <PetefromTn_> how can I reset the alarm code?
[02:29:27] <Connor> okay. You should be able to close linuxcnc and open it back up now and replicate that without hving to enter anything into hal config
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[02:29:39] <Connor> Did it not go away ?
[02:29:49] <PetefromTn_> the alarm?
[02:29:53] <Connor> yea
[02:29:56] <zeeshan> e 12 means
[02:29:57] <Connor> when you turned off the spindle
[02:29:58] <zeeshan> external trip
[02:30:04] <zeeshan> i think the driver did it
[02:30:22] <Connor> Probably because it was running when mobbus didn't tell it too..
[02:30:29] <zeeshan> lol
[02:30:41] <PetefromTn_> okay so now what?
[02:31:12] <zeeshan> dont you have a reset button
[02:31:13] <zeeshan> on the vfd
[02:31:17] <Connor> You need to change params on vfd to take commands from modbus.
[02:31:26] <Connor> which we DIDN'T do.
[02:31:38] <Connor> which DOES require a VFD reset.
[02:31:50] <zeeshan> connor
[02:31:54] <zeeshan> poor petes reset his system
[02:31:56] <zeeshan> like 10 times
[02:31:57] <zeeshan> haha
[02:32:05] <PetefromTn_> Okay I clicked the reset and it goes right back to alarm 12.1
[02:32:35] <zeeshan> pete
[02:32:41] <zeeshan> are you still monitoring the hal config?
[02:32:44] <Connor> He needs a way to by-pass the master switch for the PC so the PC can stay running
[02:32:45] <zeeshan> what do the pins look lkike
[02:32:46] <PetefromTn_> change A001 and 002 to 3
[02:33:10] <PetefromTn_> yeah I am
[02:33:19] <zeeshan> did any of them change? :P
[02:33:20] <PetefromTn_> everything is maroon except alarm
[02:33:27] <zeeshan> cool
[02:33:54] <PetefromTn_> should I switch the VFD command source?
[02:33:59] <zeeshan> well we know its communicating
[02:34:03] <zeeshan> cause before it was maroon
[02:34:16] <zeeshan> and the only way it'd go to true is through modbus communication
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[02:34:38] <zeeshan> a001 a002 to 3
[02:34:41] <zeeshan> and reset
[02:34:48] <PetefromTn_> okay standby,,
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[02:39:27] <zeeshan> hm
[02:39:36] <zeeshan> ^ hope hes okay!
[02:40:33] <Connor> his machine is back up.
[02:40:38] <Connor> looks like he timed out on chat
[02:40:44] <zeeshan> ah
[02:41:08] <Connor> custom.hal:4: parameter or pin 'wj200-vfd.0.mbslaveaddr' not found
[02:41:18] <Connor> wtf..
[02:41:33] <zeeshan> make sure he's doing it after
[02:41:34] <zeeshan> loadusr
[02:41:39] <Connor> I am
[02:41:39] <zeeshan> nm u added it
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[02:41:48] <zeeshan> honestly
[02:41:51] <zeeshan> i had problems with that
[02:41:57] <Connor> should it not be wj200_vfd ?
[02:41:57] <zeeshan> i didnt quite understand why
[02:42:04] <zeeshan> the way i got around it, is by naming the component
[02:42:17] <zeeshan> like you have
[02:42:25] <zeeshan> loadusr wj200_vfd right now right?
[02:42:25] <Connor> with the _
[02:42:29] <Connor> yes
[02:42:42] <s1dev> zeeshan so this can wire to a parallel port?
[02:42:44] <zeeshan> whats the setp
[02:42:50] <RyanS> Is flood coolant really the best performing option compared to mist/'fogbuster' (which appears to be effective with limitations, ie a compromise)?
[02:42:52] <zeeshan> command you set
[02:42:52] <Connor> with a dash
[02:42:55] <zeeshan> oh
[02:42:57] <zeeshan> maybe try underscore
[02:42:58] <zeeshan> thats weird.
[02:43:05] <Connor> I'm not sure what he did in the command.
[02:43:16] <zeeshan> prolly as you wrote it
[02:43:22] <Connor> machine not responding now.. I bet he had to reset his router
[02:43:59] <Connor> waiting for my phone to ring...
[02:44:02] <Connor> :)
[02:44:11] <Connor> dinner almost ready.
[02:44:18] <Connor> if he comes back on, have him change that.
[02:44:31] <zeeshan> ok
[02:44:32] <Connor> I'll be AFK for a bit.. I'll listen for my BEEP if you say my name
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[02:45:24] <PetefromTn_> Jeez man I can't get a break here frackin' internet just quit on me for a minute had to reset the damn router.
[02:45:38] <PetefromTn_> can ya hear me now LOL?
[02:45:44] <Connor> yes.
[02:45:49] <Connor> restart linuxcnc
[02:45:52] <Connor> it errored.
[02:45:59] <Connor> Internet was up.. I think it was just your wireless.
[02:46:07] <Connor> I was on the machine before you reset the router.
[02:46:17] <PetefromTn_> got an error here...
[02:46:46] <PetefromTn_> wj200_vfd.0.mbslaveaddr not found.
[02:47:12] <PetefromTn_> is that syntax on the custom hal
[02:47:32] <Connor> What did you type in before ?
[02:47:40] <Connor> in the hal config ?
[02:47:52] <PetefromTn_> whaddya mean?
[02:47:52] <zeeshan> the way i got mine working was loadusr mvx9000 -n vfd
[02:47:56] <Connor> is the comp named wj200_vfd or wj200-vfd
[02:48:09] <zeeshan> then i did setp vfd.frequency 10
[02:48:11] <zeeshan> for example
[02:48:32] <PetefromTn_> don't remember
[02:48:42] <Connor> okay, restart linuxcnc again
[02:49:17] <Connor> /tmp/linuxcnc.debug.ErSNXt
[02:49:19] <Connor> err
[02:49:24] <Connor> wj200_vfd: invalid option -- 'n'
[02:49:25] <PetefromTn_> error... mbslaveaddr not found.
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[02:49:58] <zeeshan> i guess it doesnt have a name option in it
[02:49:59] <zeeshan> :P
[02:50:05] <Connor> okay. I put it back like it was.
[02:50:20] <Connor> restart linuxcnc and get the comp name along with the sub tree..
[02:50:30] <Connor> wj200_vfd.0 or something like that...
[02:50:33] <Connor> dinner time.
[02:51:16] <PetefromTn_> wj200-VFD
[02:51:29] <PetefromTn_> whats the sub tree?
[02:51:57] <zeeshan> do you have custom.hal open/
[02:52:10] <zeeshan> what does it say
[02:52:10] <PetefromTn_> no do I need to?
[02:52:39] <Connor> vfd in capitals ?
[02:52:51] <PetefromTn_> it says loadusr wj200_VFD
[02:53:11] <PetefromTn_> but in the hal it says -VFD...
[02:53:37] <zeeshan> component wj200_vfd "Hitachi wj200 modbus driver";
[02:53:41] <zeeshan> ^ right from the source code
[02:53:53] <zeeshan> should be loadusr wj200_vfd
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[02:54:17] <PetefromTn_> yeah and when it was that linuxCNC loaded without errors.
[02:54:39] <PetefromTn_> but in the hal config it says -VFD.
[02:54:46] <zeeshan> im almsot 99% sure
[02:54:51] <zeeshan> hal doesn't like underscores
[02:54:53] <zeeshan> and renames it to -
[02:55:26] <PetefromTn_> okay so what do I need to put into the custom Hal
[02:55:28] <zeeshan> i dunno if connor has tried it
[02:55:37] <zeeshan> but just do loadusr wj200_vfd
[02:55:38] <zeeshan> then
[02:55:44] <Connor_iPad> Not with uppercase VFD
[02:55:53] <zeeshan> setp wj200_vfd.mbslaveaddr 1
[02:56:08] <Connor_iPad> Needs a 0 doesn't it?
[02:56:19] <zeeshan> i'm not sure, mine didnt
[02:56:24] <zeeshan> might be different for your driver
[02:56:34] <PetefromTn_> this has a zero below the wj200 in the tree
[02:56:42] <PetefromTn_> in hal
[02:56:58] <zeeshan> try it both ways
[02:56:58] <zeeshan> :P
[02:57:06] <PetefromTn_> try what?
[02:57:13] <Connor_iPad> Try step wj200-VFD.0.mbslaveaddr 1
[02:57:19] <s1dev> anyone want to double check my BOM?
[02:57:23] <Connor_iPad> In custom.hal
[02:57:35] <PetefromTn_> in hal or in custom'
[02:57:58] <Connor_iPad> Custom.hal
[02:58:22] <PetefromTn_> capitol VFD or not?
[02:58:38] <Connor_iPad> Yes. Capital.
[02:58:59] <PetefromTn_> so shut down linuxCNC and type that in custom hal save and reopen right.
[02:59:23] <Connor_iPad> Yup
[02:59:40] <PetefromTn_> okay does that go under the loadusr wj200_vfd?
[02:59:49] <Connor_iPad> Yea
[03:00:03] <s1dev> http://pastebin.com/rFUYBwZh this is the BOM for my lathe conversion
[03:01:14] <PetefromTn_> Okay error.. not found.
[03:02:06] <Connor_iPad> Wtf.
[03:02:29] <s1dev> zeeshan: take a look http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=rFUYBwZh
[03:02:37] <s1dev> and tell me if I'm forgeting anything
[03:02:41] <Connor_iPad> You don't remember how you typed it in via Hal config ?
[03:03:01] <zeeshan> u need 2 encoders
[03:03:04] <zeeshan> for spindle
[03:03:39] <PetefromTn_> okay I just added the line after loadusr and it opened in linuxCNC without error but I can't enable the system for some reason.
[03:03:58] <zeeshan> what line did you add
[03:04:06] <zeeshan> s1dev: get a charge pump too
[03:04:09] <zeeshan> from cnc4pc
[03:04:25] <s1dev> a charge pump?
[03:04:30] <PetefromTn_> loadusr wj200_vfd.0.mbslaveaddr 1
[03:04:36] <zeeshan> you mean
[03:04:37] <zeeshan> setp
[03:04:41] <zeeshan> eifghr
[03:04:42] <zeeshan> right
[03:04:51] <PetefromTn_> no
[03:05:03] <zeeshan> lol
[03:05:04] <zeeshan> wtf
[03:05:37] <s1dev> zeeshan: I'm still confused why the encoder that does indexing doesn't have enough resolution for being a tachometer?
[03:06:01] <zeeshan> http://www.cnc4pc.com/Store/osc/product_info.php?cPath=23&products_id=51
[03:06:03] <zeeshan> you want that
[03:06:04] <zeeshan> look into it
[03:06:09] <s1dev> I guess either way, I'm going to hold off on a VFD and 3ph motor and just manually change rpm
[03:06:12] <zeeshan> trust meyou want that to have a safe ssystem
[03:06:14] <s1dev> so I don't need a tachometer
[03:06:34] <zeeshan> well i guess you wont be threading with your lathe then
[03:06:34] <zeeshan> :P
[03:06:43] <cheater> hey guys, what is it called when two parts are held together because of their shape rather than because of friction?
[03:06:46] <PetefromTn_> oops nevermind I had not pressed the servo on button on the console.
[03:07:03] <PetefromTn_> Okay should I try that line again now?
[03:07:16] <cheater> i know the friction one is called a "friction lock"
[03:07:32] <zeeshan> PetefromTn_: what line
[03:07:32] <zeeshan> ;p
[03:07:51] <s1dev> zeeshan: could you not just take the time it takes to change indexes and then use that to calculate RPM?
[03:08:08] <PetefromTn_> Loadusr wj200_vfd.0.mbslaveaddr 1
[03:08:26] <zeeshan> PetefromTn_: just ignore that stuff for now
[03:08:36] <zeeshan> all u need in your cusstom.hal is loadusr wj200_vfd
[03:08:37] <zeeshan> thats it
[03:08:45] <zeeshan> go into hal config and set the pin using setp
[03:08:46] <PetefromTn_> okay thats whats in there now.
[03:08:47] <zeeshan> manually for now
[03:08:52] <zeeshan> at least to get it working
[03:09:07] <zeeshan> okay in hal config, type setp wj200-vfd.0.mbslaveaddr 1
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[03:10:03] <PetefromTn_> okay...
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[03:10:33] <zeeshan> s1dev: all i know is in linuxcnc
[03:10:34] <PetefromTn_> okay alarm and watchdog are yellow watchdog is blinkng
[03:10:43] <zeeshan> it expects a separate input for speed
[03:11:08] <s1dev> hmm, I might just implement that then
[03:11:15] <zeeshan> PetefromTn_:
[03:11:19] <zeeshan> what happens if you click enable?
[03:11:31] <s1dev> but other than that, it's good?
[03:11:34] <PetefromTn_> servo enable?
[03:11:37] <zeeshan> s1dev: yes
[03:11:45] <zeeshan> PetefromTn_: no the power button
[03:11:47] <zeeshan> in the gui
[03:12:06] <PetefromTn_> just did still the same.
[03:12:22] <zeeshan> watchdog still blinks right
[03:12:22] <PetefromTn_> servos are on machine is on.
[03:12:27] <zeeshan> okay turn it off
[03:12:28] <zeeshan> lol
[03:12:36] <PetefromTn_> the whole thing?
[03:12:36] <zeeshan> watchdog is blinking right?
[03:12:41] <zeeshan> no just the gui power button
[03:12:41] <PetefromTn_> yup..
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[03:12:50] <zeeshan> from the code
[03:12:54] <zeeshan> watchdog only blinks
[03:12:57] <zeeshan> if you're communicating :)
[03:13:06] <zeeshan> "Alternates between 1 and 0 after every update cycle. Feed into a watchdog component to ensure vfd driver is communicating with the vfd properly."
[03:13:29] <zeeshan> i'm trying to figure out through the code
[03:13:32] <zeeshan> whats causing the alarm to go on
[03:13:37] <zeeshan> are you getting that
[03:13:40] <zeeshan> e 12 code again on the vfd?
[03:14:02] <PetefromTn_> yeah E12.1
[03:14:14] <zeeshan> okay
[03:14:15] <zeeshan> type this
[03:14:17] <zeeshan> in halconfig
[03:14:32] <zeeshan> setp wj200-vfd.0.enable 1
[03:14:45] <zeeshan> does the alarm go off, and the error code go away on the vfd? :)
[03:15:36] <PetefromTn_> yup!
[03:15:40] <zeeshan> good
[03:15:46] <zeeshan> does your vfd display frequyency
[03:15:49] <zeeshan> as default?
[03:15:54] <PetefromTn_> I think so.
[03:15:59] <zeeshan> what is it saying right now
[03:16:00] <zeeshan> 0?
[03:16:16] <PetefromTn_> 0.00
[03:16:18] <zeeshan> setp wj200-vfd.0.commanded_frequency 100
[03:16:21] <zeeshan> do that in half config
[03:16:25] <zeeshan> *hal config i mean
[03:16:27] <s1dev> anyone want to buy a 1200oz NEMA34 stepper?
[03:16:48] <zeeshan> your vfd should say 10.0
[03:16:48] <zeeshan> on it
[03:16:52] <zeeshan> after you type that
[03:17:10] <PetefromTn_> say application error...
[03:17:21] <zeeshan> where does it say that
[03:17:29] <PetefromTn_> on the linuxCNC screen
[03:17:31] <zeeshan> oh in the hal config
[03:17:32] <zeeshan> okay
[03:17:36] <zeeshan> setp wj200-vfd.0.commanded_frequency 10.0
[03:17:37] <zeeshan> try that
[03:18:01] <PetefromTn_> error again.
[03:18:07] <zeeshan> setp wj200-vfd.0.commanded_frequency 2
[03:18:09] <zeeshan> try that
[03:18:35] <PetefromTn_> error
[03:18:39] <zeeshan> wtf
[03:18:51] <zeeshan> OH
[03:18:52] <zeeshan> LOL
[03:18:56] <zeeshan> damn it
[03:18:58] <zeeshan> stupid underscore
[03:19:06] <zeeshan> setp wj200-vfd.0.commanded-frequency 100
[03:19:07] <zeeshan> try that
[03:19:59] <s1dev> zeeshan: you used 5056 motor drivers right?
[03:20:03] <zeeshan> no
[03:20:06] <zeeshan> 8070D
[03:20:23] <zeeshan> PetefromTn_: tell me it worked
[03:20:30] <PetefromTn_> okay no error
[03:20:37] <zeeshan> what does the vfd say
[03:20:38] <PetefromTn_> vfd says 0.00
[03:20:48] <zeeshan> can you scroll up
[03:20:57] <zeeshan> i think its current on the "operating frequency"
[03:20:58] <PetefromTn_> to what?
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[03:21:01] <zeeshan> not commanded frequency screen
[03:21:10] <zeeshan> on the vfd dont you have arrows
[03:21:16] <zeeshan> that let you scroll up and view different parameters?
[03:21:27] <zeeshan> like for my vfd i can see current, commanded frequency, run frequency
[03:21:28] <zeeshan> etc
[03:21:46] <s1dev> zeeshan: do you think I should be fine using the kl-5056s which are rated to 5.6A which is the same as the steppers
[03:21:56] <zeeshan> s1dev: yes
[03:21:59] <zeeshan> they run a bit hotter
[03:22:13] <PetefromTn_> yeah I know but I gotta figure out what command is run freq here.
[03:22:22] <zeeshan> lemme look
[03:22:24] <s1dev> that's fine I can run a few fans across it
[03:22:36] <zeeshan> no
[03:22:39] <zeeshan> the stepper motor runs hotter
[03:22:43] <s1dev> ah
[03:22:57] <PetefromTn_> we might actually have something here huh..!!
[03:23:01] <zeeshan> yea man
[03:23:02] <zeeshan> it works!
[03:23:07] <zeeshan> is your spindle far away
[03:23:11] <zeeshan> from stuff?
[03:23:15] <PetefromTn_> yeah..
[03:23:24] <zeeshan> i dont wanna risk running it
[03:23:31] <zeeshan> cause i'm not sure of the units we set to
[03:23:37] <zeeshan> 100 might mean 10.0 hz or 100hz
[03:23:48] <zeeshan> when you setup your vfd the first time
[03:23:54] <zeeshan> did you set the upper limit of maximum frequency
[03:24:01] <PetefromTn_> yeah I think so.
[03:24:05] <zeeshan> okay then we're okay
[03:24:31] <zeeshan> in the watching of pins
[03:24:36] <zeeshan> what color is reverse
[03:24:39] <zeeshan> maroon or yellow
[03:24:54] <PetefromTn_> maroon... just noticed commanded freq says 100
[03:24:58] <zeeshan> good
[03:25:14] <zeeshan> on my system 100 = 10.0hz
[03:25:26] <zeeshan> cause its defined as a floating point variable
[03:25:27] <zeeshan> in hal
[03:25:42] <PetefromTn_> okay.
[03:25:54] <zeeshan> is run maroon
[03:25:54] <zeeshan> ?
[03:25:59] <PetefromTn_> yeah.
[03:26:17] <Connor_iPad> You didn't set run to 1 yet
[03:26:18] <zeeshan> setp wj200-vfd.0.run 1
[03:26:21] <zeeshan> setp wj200-vfd.0.run 0
[03:26:27] <zeeshan> set it to 0 when you want to stop it
[03:26:37] <zeeshan> Connor_iPad: im taking it slow
[03:26:38] <zeeshan> lol
[03:26:44] <PetefromTn_> can I just click the spindle fwd button>
[03:26:48] <zeeshan> no
[03:26:51] <zeeshan> cause its not linked.
[03:26:54] <zeeshan> you gotta do it manually
[03:27:02] <zeeshan> youre just testing the driver right now
[03:27:18] <zeeshan> linking the pins to the appropriate buttons is easy
[03:27:24] <PetefromTn_> okay try it?
[03:27:30] <zeeshan> setp wj200-vfd.0.run 1
[03:27:31] <zeeshan> yes
[03:27:38] <zeeshan> and set it to 0 to stop.
[03:27:44] <PetefromTn_> okay spindle is on.
[03:27:48] <zeeshan> your vfd should say 10.0 hz
[03:27:50] <zeeshan> check plz
[03:27:55] <Connor_iPad> It turning?
[03:28:49] <zeeshan> PetefromTn_:
[03:28:50] <Gamma-X> you guys get this vfd configured yet?! lol
[03:28:50] <zeeshan> wake up
[03:28:55] <PetefromTn_> yeah spindle is turning sounds like around 1k
[03:28:59] <zeeshan> PetefromTn_:
[03:29:02] <zeeshan> what does the spindle say
[03:29:03] <zeeshan> er
[03:29:04] <tjtr33> progress!
[03:29:04] <PetefromTn_> vfd is in a mode I cannot see any numbers.
[03:29:06] <zeeshan> VFD display say
[03:29:14] <zeeshan> but i thought you saw 0 before
[03:29:23] <PetefromTn_> cannot remmeberhow to see the run freq.
[03:29:39] <zeeshan> shut off the spindle
[03:29:39] <zeeshan> :P
[03:29:40] <Gamma-X> congrats on getting it to run! What was major malfunction?
[03:29:52] <zeeshan> Gamma-X: slave address
[03:29:52] <zeeshan> lol
[03:30:19] <Gamma-X> howd u figure it out?
[03:30:29] <zeeshan> we saw the code
[03:30:33] <Gamma-X> ahhh
[03:30:44] <Gamma-X> loopback woulda figured that out! lol
[03:30:48] <PetefromTn_> okay spindle off.
[03:30:53] <zeeshan> PetefromTn_: congrads
[03:30:54] <zeeshan> its working
[03:31:00] <Gamma-X> but good job on getting it workin! Congrats PetefromTn_
[03:31:02] <zeeshan> take the 0-10v card
[03:31:06] <zeeshan> and throw it across the room
[03:31:25] <Connor_iPad> zeeshan: Umm. No. It's the Mesa 7i77 card
[03:31:35] <zeeshan> take the 0-10v card
[03:31:38] <zeeshan> and put it on ebay
[03:31:40] <zeeshan> :-)
[03:32:08] <PetefromTn_> there is not one but I appreciate your celebration anywyas!
[03:32:09] <Gamma-X> whats wrong with 7i77 card?
[03:32:19] <PetefromTn_> not a damn thing it rocks!!
[03:32:26] <Gamma-X> was gonna say! lol
[03:32:27] <zeeshan> don't lie
[03:32:28] <zeeshan> its garbage
[03:32:36] <zeeshan> compared to your modbus !
[03:32:36] <zeeshan> :D
[03:32:41] <PetefromTn_> okay so now what...
[03:32:42] <Gamma-X> lol
[03:33:07] <zeeshan> PetefromTn_: now you gotta assign all the pins
[03:33:10] <zeeshan> and signals
[03:33:15] <zeeshan> to the appropriate commands
[03:33:16] <PetefromTn_> how can I view the run freq to make sure we are all correct with this.
[03:33:16] <zeeshan> :P
[03:33:23] <pcw_home> Depends... Modbus is lousy for closed loop control
[03:33:26] <Connor_iPad> zeeshan: Btw. We have custom stuff in his normal Hal. So we can move stuff into it.
[03:33:39] <zeeshan> oh
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[03:34:33] <zeeshan> PetefromTn_: from what isee on your manual
[03:34:35] <Gamma-X> i wish I had money to buy mt mesa cards...
[03:34:38] <zeeshan> if you press "up and down"
[03:34:40] <Gamma-X> my*
[03:34:44] <zeeshan> first hit escape a bunch of times
[03:34:48] <zeeshan> to make sure you're at the upmost level
[03:34:58] <zeeshan> then press up or down
[03:35:10] <zeeshan> and you'll see Hz or A
[03:35:14] <zeeshan> light up
[03:35:20] <PetefromTn_> it goes a d c etc.. what is the upmost level?
[03:35:39] <zeeshan> oh
[03:35:41] <zeeshan> go to "D"
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[03:36:14] <zeeshan> d001
[03:36:16] <zeeshan> is your output frequency
[03:36:21] <zeeshan> so turn the spindle on again
[03:36:26] <zeeshan> and see if it says 10.0Hz there
[03:37:20] <PetefromTn_> okay you hold down escape to get to hz.. 100 on halcmd is 100.0 on vfd.
[03:37:42] <zeeshan> okay
[03:37:59] <zeeshan> setp wj200-vfd.0.commanded-frequency 10.5
[03:38:00] <zeeshan> try that
[03:38:31] <Gamma-X> zeeshan, I hope your arround in a year when i get all my equipment back up and runnin!
[03:38:52] <PetefromTn_> spindle slowed way down....vfd shows 10.5
[03:38:56] <zeeshan> yay
[03:38:59] <zeeshan> so its working as is
[03:39:11] * Gamma-X Applauds!
[03:39:12] <PetefromTn_> awesome jawsome!!
[03:40:44] <zeeshan> when i get more time
[03:40:49] <zeeshan> we'll make you a fancy dashboard
[03:40:55] <zeeshan> to monitor all your VFD parameters
[03:40:55] <zeeshan> :D
[03:41:11] <zeeshan> well at least the important ones
[03:41:16] <PetefromTn_> sounds good. right now I just need to get it working thru the control fwd rev stop and freq.
[03:41:32] <Gamma-X> im jealous!
[03:41:41] <PetefromTn_> ;)
[03:42:15] <PetefromTn_> I suppose the work we did her today is sharable right?
[03:43:04] <PetefromTn_> how do we get it working permanently now?
[03:43:21] <Gamma-X> deff sharable. should go on the wiki if you ask me.
[03:43:34] <zeeshan> wait up
[03:43:35] <PetefromTn_> fine with me man..
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[03:44:25] <zee-Lathe> net spindle-run vfd.run <= motion.spindle-on
[03:44:25] <zee-Lathe> net spindle-fwd vfd.forward <= motion.spindle-forward
[03:44:25] <zee-Lathe> net spindle-cmd vfd.rpmset
[03:44:25] <zee-Lathe> net estop-ext vfd.nofault
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[03:45:08] <zeeshan> we gotta figure out 2 things
[03:45:17] <zeeshan> how to set the mbslaveaddr
[03:45:21] <zeeshan> in the custom.hal
[03:45:51] <zeeshan> after your loadusr line
[03:46:12] <zeeshan> try setp wj200-vfd.0.mbslaveaddr 1
[03:46:14] <PetefromTn_> okay..
[03:46:15] <Connor_iPad> Move stuff out of custom file. His other stuff is in main Hal file.
[03:46:27] <s1dev> zeeshan: http://www.cnc4pc.com/Store/osc/product_info.php?products_id=565 can I just put this in the power supply circuit?
[03:46:31] <zeeshan> do it after
[03:46:31] <zeeshan> :P
[03:46:50] <PetefromTn_> okay so close linuxCNC and open custom.hal
[03:47:06] <zeeshan> s1dev: depends on your application
[03:47:10] <zeeshan> i dont use a tiny switch like that
[03:47:16] <s1dev> what do you use?
[03:47:18] <zeeshan> i use an industrial disconnect switch
[03:47:26] <zeeshan> because my vfd power, power supply power
[03:47:29] <zeeshan> disconnects using it
[03:47:39] <s1dev> hmm
[03:48:11] <zeeshan> http://www.ebay.ca/itm/LOVATO-GA040A-3P-DISCONNECT-SWITCH-PANEL-MOUNT-40A-NIB-/390719172470
[03:48:15] <zeeshan> i use that exact switch
[03:48:37] <Gamma-X> i need something like that...
[03:48:50] <PetefromTn_> okay that errored not found.
[03:48:53] <zeeshan> http://www.automationdirect.com/adc/Shopping/Catalog/Circuit_Protection_-z-_Fuses_-z-_Disconnects/Disconnect_Switches/UL_508_Rated_Non-Fusible_Disconnects
[03:49:03] <zeeshan> there you go
[03:49:04] <zeeshan> nice and cheap
[03:49:20] <s1dev> thanks
[03:49:39] <zeeshan> i also use an auxuliary contact
[03:49:41] <zeeshan> with mine
[03:49:52] <zeeshan> to put the VFD in error mode
[03:49:58] <zeeshan> if i switch off the power
[03:50:12] <zeeshan> PetefromTn_: hm
[03:50:41] <zeeshan> setp wj200_vfd.0.mbslaveaddr 1
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[03:50:42] <zeeshan> try that?
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[03:51:46] <PetefromTn_> just tried error
[03:52:03] <zeeshan> ugh
[03:52:29] <PetefromTn_> supposed to say loadusr wj200_vfd first line right.
[03:52:34] <zeeshan> yes
[03:52:56] <PetefromTn_> okay thats what is has.
[03:53:06] <PetefromTn_> tried that second line error.
[03:53:23] <zeeshan> maybe its cause
[03:53:25] <zeeshan> the component isnt ready
[03:53:27] <zeeshan> try this
[03:53:41] <zeeshan> loadusr -W wj200_vfd
[03:53:42] <zeeshan> then
[03:53:52] <zeeshan> setp wj200-vfd.0.mbslaveaddr 1
[03:54:03] <PetefromTn_> in custom.hal?
[03:54:06] <zeeshan> yes
[03:54:10] <zeeshan> wherever youve been working
[03:54:30] <zeeshan> you can move these commands into the main hal file later
[03:54:42] <zeeshan> i personally dont touch the main hal file
[03:54:51] <zeeshan> cause i like to use stepconf whenver i can
[03:55:24] <PetefromTn_> okay no error.
[03:55:31] <zeeshan> yay
[03:55:34] <zeeshan> so that was the problem
[03:55:40] <zeeshan> when you monitor the pins in hal config
[03:55:44] <zeeshan> is the watchdog for wj2000
[03:55:47] <zeeshan> still blinking on and off
[03:56:15] <PetefromTn_> yeah.
[03:56:20] <zeeshan> okay good
[03:56:40] <PetefromTn_> you really know your shit here man huh LOL...
[03:56:57] <zeeshan> just the guessing game
[03:56:57] <zeeshan> :P
[03:57:05] <zeeshan> okay lets assign your pins
[03:57:09] <zeeshan> after the setp you did
[03:57:11] <zeeshan> do this:
[03:57:29] <PetefromTn_> in custom.hal again and close linuxCNC...
[03:57:37] <zeeshan> yes
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[03:58:15] <PetefromTn_> okay
[03:58:22] <zeeshan> net spindle-run wj200_vfd.0.run <= motion.spindle-on
[03:58:51] <zeeshan> net spindle-fwd wj200_vfd.0.reverse <= motion.spindle-forward
[03:58:54] <Connor_iPad> He has those pin assignments in his main Hal file.
[03:58:58] <zeeshan> oh
[03:59:11] <zeeshan> well set them up quickly :P
[03:59:40] <zeeshan> Connor_iPad: do it!
[03:59:41] <zeeshan> :P
[04:00:40] <PetefromTn_> huh?
[04:00:48] <PetefromTn_> do I delete this stuff now then?
[04:00:51] <zeeshan> yea
[04:01:08] <zeeshan> i didnt know you had motion.spindle-on reference in your main file
[04:01:17] <zeeshan> just move loadusr , and setp lines
[04:01:32] <PetefromTn_> okay so what do I do now?
[04:01:32] <zeeshan> to somewhere on the top of your main hal file
[04:01:36] <zeeshan> or let connor do it
[04:01:36] <zeeshan> :P
[04:02:13] <zeeshan> you'll need to post your main hal file
[04:02:17] <zeeshan> on pastebin for me to be of any hlep
[04:02:30] <s1dev> zeeshan: how did you couple your motors?
[04:02:52] <Gamma-X> im thinkin about getting a g0704 but i know for double the price i can get a used older vmc! lol
[04:03:23] <PetefromTn_> what the hell do you need an 0704 for you got an RF45?
[04:03:38] <Gamma-X> small stuff.... hobby type thing.
[04:04:01] <zeeshan> s1dev: http://www.cnc4you.co.uk/image/cache/data/Flexible%20coupling2-500x500.jpg
[04:04:03] <PetefromTn_> Connor Are you doing something or do I need to do it somehow>
[04:04:36] <PetefromTn_> that is what I have on this machine only MUCH BIGGER lol.
[04:06:46] <PetefromTn_> pastebin.com/hH7wipXF
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[04:07:21] <zeeshan> did you delete
[04:07:23] <zeeshan> everything from custom.hal
[04:07:26] <zeeshan> that you added
[04:07:34] <zeeshan> including loadusr and setp lines
[04:07:38] <PetefromTn_> everything but the stuff that worked before.
[04:07:44] <zeeshan> delete the stuff
[04:07:47] <zeeshan> that stuff too
[04:07:50] <PetefromTn_> no thats still in there...
[04:07:55] <zeeshan> ya delete it
[04:08:05] <PetefromTn_> okay as long as you are sure...
[04:08:10] <zeeshan> yessir
[04:08:26] <zeeshan> do you have line numbers showing
[04:08:27] <zeeshan> in your editor
[04:09:26] <PetefromTn_> in the hal file?
[04:09:32] <zeeshan> yea
[04:09:34] <zeeshan> what editor do you use?
[04:09:35] <PetefromTn_> no..
[04:09:35] <zeeshan> gedit?
[04:09:41] <PetefromTn_> yeah Gedit'
[04:09:43] <Gamma-X> s1dev, i wish I knew the company that made my couplings
[04:09:45] <zeeshan> click edit
[04:09:46] <Gamma-X> top notch quality.
[04:09:46] <zeeshan> preferences
[04:09:49] <zeeshan> and check line numbers
[04:09:57] <Gamma-X> made in floral parl ny
[04:10:11] <s1dev> I need to go from threaded leadscrew to stepper shaft
[04:10:22] <PetefromTn_> okay
[04:10:35] <s1dev> I'm thinking that I'll use a setscrew or two for the stepper side
[04:10:53] <s1dev> (I plan on machining this since I don't have much cash left)
[04:11:00] <Gamma-X> found it!
[04:11:00] <PetefromTn_> hang on a minute here...
[04:11:04] <s1dev> but I'm still deciding for the threaded rod side
[04:11:10] <s1dev> *leadscrew
[04:11:34] <Gamma-X> http://www.sdp-si.com/web/html/newprdcouplings.htm
[04:12:29] <s1dev> thanks
[04:12:52] <PetefromTn_> okay sorry..
[04:13:12] <Gamma-X> I bought a5A27-4012
[04:13:42] <Gamma-X> little pricey but made in america and there all quality.
[04:14:15] <Gamma-X> but if your trying to go cheap... china it is
[04:14:37] <s1dev> iirc the leadscrew has a keyway
[04:14:50] <s1dev> so I think I might be able to take advantage of that
[04:17:29] <Gamma-X> s1dev, that sdpsi site you can buy 2 couplings of diff sizes and mix n match the couplings sizes if need be.
[04:17:56] <s1dev> it's an idea for sure
[04:18:03] <s1dev> I think I might make something like that
[04:18:24] <Gamma-X> and id recomend the spider couplings as they are great quality and are great for angular mismatch.
[04:20:10] <PetefromTn_> been at this all day long LOL...
[04:20:15] <zeeshan> lol pete
[04:20:28] <Gamma-X> PetefromTn_, I forgot to tell you, I got my steppers to slip while doing a 2 and a half inch depth of cut with a 3/4 inch inch mill cutting at half 3/4 moving FAST! lol First time cutting on the machine and it actually clogged the eng mill with aluminum...
[04:20:29] <PetefromTn_> and several hours yesterday..
[04:21:20] <PetefromTn_> what the frak kinda cut was that Kamikaze?
[04:21:24] <Gamma-X> carbide end mill tin coated.
[04:21:34] <Gamma-X> still havnt found a way to get the aluminum out.
[04:21:42] <Gamma-X> wanted to push it to its limit...
[04:21:49] <PetefromTn_> don't like tin coated much of anything.
[04:22:30] <Gamma-X> i have a guy wanting totrade me like 300 pieces of carbide tooling new in cases for my dillon 650 xl...
[04:22:38] <Gamma-X> or a shotgun and case.
[04:22:48] <Gamma-X> shotgun and money* mind is freezing
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[04:23:02] <PetefromTn_> getcha some Maritool 3 flute carbides for aluminum and try them...
[04:23:17] <PetefromTn_> uncoated...
[04:23:33] <Gamma-X> this was a 4 fluter I believe
[04:23:44] <PetefromTn_> 3/4 endmill is a lot for an RF45 pushing hard.
[04:23:59] <Gamma-X> it took it!
[04:24:05] <Gamma-X> just moving to fast.
[04:24:07] <Gamma-X> no coolant...
[04:24:23] <Gamma-X> clogged end mill and it mistepped
[04:24:33] <PetefromTn_> well no wonder..LOL
[04:24:38] <zeeshan> PetefromTn_:
[04:24:40] <Gamma-X> lol
[04:24:41] <zeeshan> no more vfd? :D
[04:24:51] <PetefromTn_> huh?
[04:24:56] <zeeshan> what are you doing!
[04:24:58] <zeeshan> concentrate
[04:24:59] <zeeshan> lol
[04:25:04] <s1dev> Gamma-X: I've found that if you take pliers to the aluminum squeeze and wiggle it a bit, you can clear the flutes
[04:25:11] <PetefromTn_> I was waiting for you man?
[04:25:14] <zeeshan> rofl
[04:25:18] <zeeshan> did you setup the line numbers
[04:25:24] <PetefromTn_> yeah.
[04:25:25] <Gamma-X> s1dev, youve had this problem? lol
[04:25:29] <s1dev> yep
[04:25:40] <zeeshan> after line 17
[04:25:42] <Gamma-X> its IN there!
[04:25:47] <s1dev> Gamma-X: I had to improvise some coolant in a spray bottle
[04:25:55] <zeeshan> type loadusr -W wj200_vfd
[04:26:04] <PetefromTn_> on line 18"
[04:26:06] <Gamma-X> yeah the machine has a coolant system but dont have it hooked up atm
[04:26:09] <zeeshan> yes
[04:26:43] <zeeshan> at line 235
[04:26:44] <zeeshan> type
[04:26:46] <PetefromTn_> okay
[04:27:06] <zeeshan> setp wj200-vfd.0.mbslaveaddr 1
[04:27:12] <s1dev> Gamma-X: although using a spray bottle isn't exactly possible if it's a manual machine
[04:27:44] <zeeshan> at line 246 where it says
[04:27:52] <zeeshan> net spindle-cw hm2_5i25.0.7i77.0.0.output-02 <= motion.spindle-forward
[04:27:54] <zeeshan> change that to
[04:28:27] <zeeshan> #net spindle-cw hm2_5i25.0.7i77.0.0.output-02 <= motion.spindle-forward
[04:28:30] <zeeshan> (comment it out)
[04:28:34] <zeeshan> and right below that line
[04:28:42] <zeeshan> put:
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[04:29:36] <PetefromTn_> go to end of line 246 and hit enter?
[04:29:43] <zeeshan> yea
[04:29:45] <zeeshan> you want a new line there
[04:29:56] <PetefromTn_> ok
[04:30:45] <zeeshan> net spindle-cw wj200-vfd.reverse <= motion.spindle-reverse
[04:30:54] <zeeshan> comment out line 248
[04:31:06] <zeeshan> net spindle-ccw hm2_5i25.0.7i77.0.0.output-01 <= motion.spindle-reverse
[04:31:07] <zeeshan> that line
[04:31:40] <zeeshan> how do you currently turn on your spindle?
[04:31:44] <zeeshan> through the gui
[04:31:46] <zeeshan> or through a button
[04:32:25] <PetefromTn_> line 248 already has the # no?
[04:32:46] <zeeshan> you want to comment out this line: net spindle-ccw hm2_5i25.0.7i77.0.0.output-01 <= motion.spindle-reverse
[04:32:58] <zeeshan> (it moved down to 249)
[04:33:02] <zeeshan> cause you added a line on top
[04:33:02] <zeeshan> lo
[04:33:04] <zeeshan> lol
[04:34:39] <PetefromTn_> okay I just typed in the line ending in reverse you gave me on line 247, 248 says #net spindle-ccw <=motion.spindle-reverse
[04:34:58] <zeeshan> we're gonna make a mistake
[04:34:59] <zeeshan> lol
[04:35:02] <zeeshan> let me edit it
[04:35:05] <zeeshan> and send it back to you
[04:35:13] <zeeshan> ill post it on pastebin
[04:35:21] <zeeshan> just copy and paste it into your main hal file
[04:35:49] <PetefromTn_> okay just need to have a copy saved here in case we screw this up no?
[04:35:55] <zeeshan> yea
[04:35:58] <zeeshan> make a backup
[04:36:35] <PetefromTn_> okay can I copy and paste it and put it on my flash drive somehow?
[04:36:44] <zeeshan> just open it on the brwoser
[04:36:46] <zeeshan> on the other comp
[04:36:46] <zeeshan> sec
[04:37:06] <zeeshan> dude
[04:37:07] <zeeshan> honestly
[04:37:11] <zeeshan> i think you should let connor do this part
[04:37:18] <zeeshan> because
[04:37:22] <zeeshan> he prolly knows your hal inside out
[04:37:31] <zeeshan> give it one shot with mine
[04:37:33] <zeeshan> if it doesnt work
[04:37:37] <zeeshan> get connor :P
[04:37:59] <PetefromTn_> Okay so I changed the file here am I screwed>
[04:38:07] <zeeshan> don't save it
[04:38:08] <zeeshan> :P
[04:38:18] <PetefromTn_> I did not click save so If I close it and reopen it we should be good right>
[04:38:23] <zeeshan> yzeeshan: ep
[04:38:25] <zeeshan> yep
[04:38:36] <PetefromTn_> so I am gonna close it now.
[04:39:23] <PetefromTn_> okay hit close without saving...
[04:40:21] <PetefromTn_> okay re-opened it and line 18 is not there so back to where we were.
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[04:42:24] <zeeshan> how were you currently turning on your spindle
[04:42:25] <zeeshan> through the gui
[04:42:26] <PetefromTn_> Okay now what.
[04:42:27] <zeeshan> or using a switch
[04:42:37] <PetefromTn_> thru GUI or with Gcode.
[04:42:41] <zeeshan> ok
[04:45:10] <zeeshan> http://pastebin.com/UVRL55Hm
[04:45:19] <zeeshan> make a backup of your hal
[04:45:21] <zeeshan> file
[04:45:35] <zeeshan> and then copy and paste this stuff into your main hal file
[04:46:26] <PetefromTn_> whats a good way to make a backup?
[04:46:33] <zeeshan> copy and paste the file
[04:46:37] <zeeshan> :P
[04:46:41] <zeeshan> and itll be a copy
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[04:47:06] <PetefromTn_> yeah but where is there a notepad in linuxCNC?
[04:48:52] <zeeshan> gedit
[04:48:52] <zeeshan> :P
[04:49:12] <zeeshan> open the file in gedit
[04:49:14] <zeeshan> and save as
[04:49:16] <zeeshan> to another file
[04:49:20] <zeeshan> "halbackup"
[04:49:21] <zeeshan> or something
[04:49:21] <zeeshan> ;p
[04:49:57] <PetefromTn_> okay I think I got it backed up to a documents folder I created. will that work>
[04:50:05] <zeeshan> yep
[04:50:42] <PetefromTn_> Okay now delete the hal file and paste yours in there right.
[04:50:51] <zeeshan> yep
[04:50:55] <zeeshan> select the entire thing
[04:50:55] <zeeshan> delete it
[04:50:58] <zeeshan> and copy and paste mine
[04:51:45] <PetefromTn_> from the raw paste data right..
[04:51:49] <zeeshan> yes
[04:53:03] <PetefromTn_> okay saved now open linuxCNC right.
[04:53:14] <zeeshan> yes
[04:53:19] <zeeshan> *Crosses fingers for no errors*
[04:53:25] <PetefromTn_> error
[04:53:33] <zeeshan> what is the errro
[04:53:59] <PetefromTn_> says wj200-vfd.0.command_frequency does not exist
[04:54:13] <zeeshan> i made a typo
[04:54:35] <zeeshan> plz go to line 226
[04:54:45] <zeeshan> and change the _ to a -
[04:55:49] <PetefromTn_> okay it ran'
[04:55:53] <zeeshan> really?
[04:55:55] <zeeshan> haha
[04:56:04] <zeeshan> set the speed in the gui
[04:56:06] <PetefromTn_> servos on system on...
[04:56:21] <PetefromTn_> you mean like MDI?
[04:56:37] <zeeshan> i dont know how you usually use your system
[04:56:39] <zeeshan> for me i have a slider
[04:56:39] <PetefromTn_> m3 s1000 or something like that.
[04:56:41] <zeeshan> that i slide
[04:56:59] <zeeshan> yea try m3 s1000
[04:57:13] <PetefromTn_> okay just turned spindle on but it kinda ran away...
[04:57:20] <zeeshan> what do y oueman
[04:57:20] <PetefromTn_> shut it off real quick..
[04:57:33] <zeeshan> what do you mean it ran away
[04:58:05] <zeeshan> you have an e-stop
[04:58:06] <zeeshan> that shuts off the drive
[04:58:07] <zeeshan> right?
[04:58:13] <zeeshan> physical one
[04:58:16] <PetefromTn_> well usually it takes several presses of the spindle speed up button to go faster but it only took one to get pretty damn fast.
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[04:58:33] <PetefromTn_> yeah but i just hit spindle stop and it shutoff...
[04:58:40] <zeeshan> well at least the start
[04:58:41] <zeeshan> and stop
[04:58:43] <zeeshan> are working
[04:58:47] <zeeshan> and the spindle enable is working too
[04:59:12] <zeeshan> there is something wrong with spindle-vel-cmd
[04:59:43] <zeeshan> i know whats wrong
[04:59:49] <PetefromTn_> okay hit MDI M3 s100 and it starts and runs stable. But it seems faster than 100 rpm.
[04:59:50] <zeeshan> when you commanded S1000
[05:00:03] <zeeshan> its prolly running it at 1000Hz!
[05:00:04] <zeeshan> lol
[05:00:06] <zeeshan> (maximum speed)
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[05:00:15] <zeeshan> i think its off by a scaling factor of 10.
[05:00:21] <zeeshan> for test purposes
[05:00:27] <zeeshan> can you do m3 s10
[05:00:41] <zeeshan> does it spin clockwise
[05:00:43] <zeeshan> or counterclockwise
[05:01:40] <zeeshan> when you do m3 s10
[05:01:45] <zeeshan> go into hal config
[05:01:45] <PetefromTn_> okay just grabbed my digital tacho...
[05:02:00] <PetefromTn_> M3 s10 is around 150 RPM
[05:02:02] <zeeshan> and monitor the wj200_vfd commanded freequency pin
[05:02:14] <zeeshan> and tell me what it says
[05:02:14] <zeeshan> plz
[05:02:28] <PetefromTn_> I think it is spinning clockwise..
[05:02:55] <PetefromTn_> 10
[05:03:06] <PetefromTn_> sorry counter clockwise.. backwards.
[05:04:02] <PetefromTn_> yup commanded freq says 10 spindle is running backwards and RPM is 150..
[05:04:18] <PetefromTn_> m5 works too.
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[05:04:29] <zeeshan> so see
[05:04:35] <zeeshan> its off by a factor of 10
[05:05:21] <zeeshan> try doing m4 s10
[05:05:23] <zeeshan> what happens
[05:05:40] <zeeshan> PetefromTn_: btw you need to go in your vfd settings
[05:05:43] <zeeshan> and setup max hz
[05:05:45] <zeeshan> and min hz peroperly
[05:05:49] <zeeshan> they are there for safety
[05:05:54] <PetefromTn_> reversed immediately
[05:06:02] <zeeshan> is that normal? :D
[05:06:25] <PetefromTn_> whaddya mean?
[05:06:32] <zeeshan> the way it reversed
[05:06:34] <zeeshan> did it feel normal
[05:06:40] <PetefromTn_> yeah very fast.
[05:06:53] <zeeshan> cool
[05:06:56] <zeeshan> so it all works
[05:07:02] <zeeshan> except the fact that the frequency scaling is messed up
[05:07:36] <PetefromTn_> well it is saying the freq is 10 on the VFD and the machine has a 2-1 belt drive on it...dunno if that matters.
[05:07:59] <PetefromTn_> and it is backwards in direction...
[05:08:12] <zeeshan> okay
[05:08:16] <zeeshan> lets fix the backwards first
[05:08:36] <zeeshan> line 253
[05:08:51] <zeeshan> change it to net spindle-ccw wj200-vfd.0.reverse <= motion.spindle-forward
[05:09:12] <zeeshan> retry m3 s10
[05:09:14] <zeeshan> and m4 s10
[05:09:18] <zeeshan> to make sure they're working.
[05:09:19] <Connor> Probably a way to reverse it in the VFD
[05:09:30] <Connor> so that forward = forward and reverse = reverse. :)
[05:09:30] <zeeshan> dconnor
[05:09:37] <zeeshan> dude
[05:09:42] <zeeshan> how is his frequency set?
[05:09:55] <Connor> What do you mean ?
[05:09:56] <zeeshan> when he does s1000
[05:10:00] <zeeshan> it outputs 1000hz to his vfd
[05:10:00] <zeeshan> lol
[05:11:22] <PetefromTn_> okay spinning right way now.
[05:11:38] <zeeshan> pete
[05:11:38] <zeeshan> oaky
[05:11:50] <zeeshan> do m3 s20
[05:11:55] <Connor> setp scale.spindle.gain 60
[05:11:55] <Connor> setp lowpass.spindle.gain 1.000000
[05:11:55] <zeeshan> and measure the rpm
[05:12:11] <zeeshan> ahhh
[05:12:13] <Connor> those might have something to do with it..
[05:12:35] <PetefromTn_> 300rpm
[05:12:40] <zeeshan> so double
[05:12:43] <zeeshan> intereesting
[05:12:46] <PetefromTn_> yeah.
[05:12:59] <Connor> # spindle-velocity is signed so we use absolute component to remove sign
[05:13:00] <Connor> # ACTUAL velocity is in RPS not RPM so we scale it.
[05:15:01] <PetefromTn_> damn man we are CLOSE!!! YEAH BABY!!
[05:15:03] <zeeshan> PetefromTn_:
[05:15:07] <zeeshan> does it say 10hz
[05:15:11] <zeeshan> in the commanded frequency?
[05:15:18] <zeeshan> when you do m3 s10
[05:15:33] <zeeshan> what are your motor specs?
[05:15:58] <PetefromTn_> yeah..
[05:16:18] <PetefromTn_> whaddya mean?
[05:16:22] <zeeshan> like
[05:16:26] <zeeshan> 20 hp @ 1725 rpm
[05:16:28] <zeeshan> or something
[05:16:35] <zeeshan> i need motor name plate specs
[05:16:42] <PetefromTn_> 7.5hp 12k RPM max motor Spindle 6k max
[05:16:54] <PetefromTn_> 2-1 ratio..
[05:16:56] <zeeshan> what rpm does it run at
[05:16:59] <zeeshan> at 60hz
[05:17:15] <PetefromTn_> no idea..
[05:17:21] <zeeshan> it should say on the motor name plate
[05:17:23] <PetefromTn_> its a 50 HZ motor...
[05:17:26] <zeeshan> oh
[05:17:29] <zeeshan> okay so 50hz then
[05:17:30] <zeeshan> ;p
[05:17:45] <Connor> Could just do a command freq in hal config and check the RPM. :)
[05:18:01] <Connor> but, should run at 12000 RPM @ 50hz I think... :)
[05:18:11] <zeeshan> s10 gave him 10Hz.
[05:18:16] <zeeshan> s20 gave him 20Hz
[05:18:25] <zeeshan> 150 rpm and 300 rpm
[05:18:48] <Connor> true hz? as read by the driver or the VFD ?
[05:18:56] <zeeshan> by the driver
[05:19:06] <zeeshan> PetefromTn_: can you see what your VFD says
[05:19:08] <Connor> would rather know what the vfd thought..
[05:19:12] <zeeshan> when you run s10
[05:19:13] <PetefromTn_> sure.
[05:19:29] <Connor> whatch it be 1 or something. :)
[05:19:33] <zeeshan> rofl
[05:19:34] <zeeshan> that'd make more sense
[05:19:44] <PetefromTn_> it says 10.0
[05:19:50] <zeeshan> that makes no sense man
[05:19:56] <zeeshan> at 10hz, you should be running at
[05:20:21] <PetefromTn_> maybe I am seeing command freq on the VFD then?
[05:20:35] <zeeshan> what you see on the vfd
[05:20:37] <zeeshan> is for sure in Hz.
[05:20:56] <PetefromTn_> dunno..
[05:20:56] <zeeshan> let me get this straight
[05:21:01] <zeeshan> at 50Hz you should be running 6000 RPM
[05:21:02] <zeeshan> right?
[05:21:09] <zeeshan> (max speed)
[05:21:12] <PetefromTn_> not sure..
[05:21:23] <Connor> well.. motor @ 12000 spindle at 6000 I would think.. since the motor is a 50hz motor..
[05:21:30] <zeeshan> ah
[05:21:34] <PetefromTn_> I doubt it... Most of the time you overclock the VFD
[05:21:38] <PetefromTn_> to get max RPM.
[05:21:50] <zeeshan> so 50Hz should mean 12000 rpm @ the motor.
[05:21:50] <PetefromTn_> 60 HZ is something in the middle
[05:22:05] <PetefromTn_> no I dont think so..
[05:22:27] <zeeshan> dude
[05:22:29] <zeeshan> you got a tachometer
[05:22:30] <zeeshan> lets find out
[05:22:31] <zeeshan> lol
[05:22:36] <zeeshan> m3 s50 it
[05:22:41] <zeeshan> vfd should say 50hz.
[05:23:26] <Connor> probably somewhere around 2500 RPM... ??
[05:23:42] <zeeshan> i guess 750 RPM
[05:23:43] <zeeshan> :)
[05:24:16] <PetefromTn_> M3 S50 Vfd says 50.0 Spindle RPM is 750
[05:24:21] <zeeshan> :D
[05:24:28] <Connor> Hmm.
[05:24:33] <Connor> What the heck is the scale then.
[05:24:39] <zeeshan> theres some messed up scaling going on
[05:24:58] <zeeshan> look at it this way
[05:25:03] <Connor> Would have to be in the VFD then.
[05:25:05] <zeeshan> at 10hz, he was getting 150 rpm
[05:25:14] <PetefromTn_> Mike Kilroy setup the vfd for me to where it needs to be to work with the motor and he knows his shit.
[05:25:14] <zeeshan> so 1Hz = 15RPM
[05:25:40] <Connor> PetefromTn_: Yea, but, that was when you was using it with the analog 0-10v
[05:25:44] <Connor> scalling might be different.
[05:26:18] <zeeshan> basically
[05:26:22] <zeeshan> you need to scale by 1/15.
[05:26:25] <PetefromTn_> sure but the freq output is the freq output to the VFD.
[05:26:54] <Connor> unless the VFD is doing some sort of scaling.. I dunno.. I don't know much about VFD's
[05:27:21] <zeeshan> PetefromTn_:
[05:27:23] <zeeshan> youre monitoring d001
[05:27:24] <zeeshan> right?
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[05:28:12] <zeeshan> can you tell me what parameter a075 says
[05:28:14] <zeeshan> on your vfd
[05:28:14] <PetefromTn_> yes d001
[05:28:29] <PetefromTn_> while it is running?
[05:28:37] <zeeshan> no
[05:29:30] <PetefromTn_> A075 is 1.0
[05:30:02] <PetefromTn_> 1.00 rather
[05:30:12] <zeeshan> change that to 2
[05:30:19] <PetefromTn_> what is that?
[05:30:21] <zeeshan> and so m3 s10
[05:30:31] <zeeshan> a scaling option
[05:31:10] <zeeshan> measure rpm with your tacho please
[05:31:16] <zeeshan> if it says 300 rpm
[05:31:17] <PetefromTn_> so you mean past 1.99 to 2 right..
[05:31:17] <zeeshan> we're in business
[05:31:22] <zeeshan> yea
[05:31:59] <zeeshan> er
[05:32:02] <zeeshan> don't change that.
[05:32:05] <zeeshan> set it back to 1.
[05:32:17] <zeeshan> it's for PID control
[05:32:51] <zeeshan> PetefromTn_:
[05:32:57] <zeeshan> while youre at your VFD
[05:33:03] <zeeshan> can you check a004 (maximum frequency)
[05:33:06] <zeeshan> ajnd
[05:33:08] <zeeshan> a003
[05:33:08] <zeeshan> and
[05:33:12] <zeeshan> a204
[05:33:20] <zeeshan> er.
[05:33:23] <zeeshan> a003 and a004
[05:33:24] <zeeshan> i mean
[05:33:27] <zeeshan> not a204.
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[05:35:03] <PetefromTn_> A003 is 70.0 and A004 is 400
[05:35:22] <Connor_iPad> What are those?
[05:35:29] <zeeshan> base frequency
[05:35:29] <zeeshan> nad
[05:35:31] <zeeshan> max frequency
[05:35:33] <zeeshan> see this makes sense now
[05:35:41] <zeeshan> 400 Hz * 15 = 6000RPM
[05:35:47] <zeeshan> at 400Hz, your spindle runs at MAX rpm.
[05:36:30] <PetefromTn_> sounds familiar
[05:36:39] <zeeshan> so when you do S10, and you're wanting 10RPM, its actually giving you 150RPM
[05:36:46] <zeeshan> meaning you need to scale down by 1/15.
[05:37:02] <PetefromTn_> okay how?
[05:37:18] <zeeshan> thats a good question
[05:37:18] <zeeshan> lol
[05:37:48] <zeeshan> change
[05:37:59] <zeeshan> line 269
[05:38:00] <zeeshan> to
[05:38:09] <zeeshan> setp scale.spindle.gain 4
[05:38:38] <zeeshan> restart linuxcnc
[05:38:39] <zeeshan> and
[05:38:47] <zeeshan> m3 s10 it
[05:38:50] <zeeshan> if it doesnt do anything
[05:38:55] <zeeshan> m3 s150 it
[05:39:13] <zeeshan> stay ready to shut off the spindle just incase.
[05:40:07] <PetefromTn_> okay restarted it and M3 S10 is 150 RPM
[05:40:15] <zeeshan> still?
[05:40:43] <PetefromTn_> saving and trying again,
[05:41:18] <PetefromTn_> yup 10 is 150
[05:41:24] <zeeshan> okay change that back to 60
[05:41:25] <zeeshan> plz
[05:41:30] <zeeshan> cause ithink it's for something else.
[05:41:33] <zeeshan> maybe your encoder
[05:42:14] <PetefromTn_> okay done.
[05:42:46] <zeeshan> PetefromTn_: to be honest
[05:42:50] <zeeshan> i faced this issue with my setup too.
[05:42:56] <zeeshan> you know what idid?
[05:42:58] <zeeshan> i went into the driver
[05:43:02] <zeeshan> and divided by 10.
[05:43:02] <zeeshan> lol
[05:43:16] <Connor_iPad> It can be done in hal
[05:43:16] <zeeshan> cause i wasn't sure how you'd do it in hal.
[05:43:32] <Connor_iPad> I just don't remember how. Andy probably could tell us.
[05:43:32] <zeeshan> Connor_iPad: help us
[05:43:39] <zeeshan> we just need to divide by 15.
[05:45:58] <PetefromTn_> line 220 to 222 talks about scaling and has mesa stuff'
[05:46:56] <zeeshan> whats abs.spindle_out.out
[05:47:02] <zeeshan> how come your config is using that
[05:47:03] <zeeshan> and not
[05:47:10] <zeeshan> motion.spindle-speed-out
[05:47:11] <zeeshan> ?
[05:47:31] <Connor_iPad> That might be for his rpm display.
[05:47:36] <PetefromTn_> what line is that?
[05:47:45] <Connor_iPad> I don't remember.
[05:48:13] <zeeshan> line 247
[05:50:13] <PetefromTn_> Okay guys We made a LOT of progress here tonight. I am damn tired now as I am sure you guys are too. I gotta get up early to take the kids to school. Maybe we can take this up tomorrow morning?
[05:50:20] <zeeshan> yea
[05:50:25] <zeeshan> everything is set
[05:50:33] <zeeshan> just ask some elite tommorrow
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[05:50:42] <zeeshan> how to scale down your frequency down by 1/15.
[05:50:53] <PetefromTn_> So far you ARE the Elite man hehehe
[05:51:08] <zeeshan> im far from elite, its guess work
[05:51:10] <zeeshan> :P
[05:51:20] <Connor_iPad> Thhppt.
[05:51:24] <zeeshan> cya guys tommo!
[05:51:35] <PetefromTn_> Thanks man so much to both of you.
[05:52:38] <PetefromTn_> shuttin the monster down here.
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[05:59:10] <PetefromTn_> Gn8
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[06:25:07] <RyanS> Is this a bad idea? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gdLNY4FIIic
[06:26:15] <Gamma-X> lol thats pretty cool if no lathe..
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[06:27:16] <RyanS> Would it require some sort of custom programming or a no-brainer for simple things?
[06:27:52] <Gamma-X> hmmm might have to run your machine as a lathe... i have no idea with linuxcnc
[06:28:59] <CaptHindsight> a tool is a tool, you can move the parts or move the tool or move both
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[06:29:39] <RyanS> I suppose if you use g-code the machine doesn't care if it's a mill or lathe
[06:30:07] <RyanS> No idea how CAM Software would implement it
[06:39:40] <RyanS> Do I want the power drawbar ....
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[06:45:34] <Gamma-X> RyanS, what machine?
[06:47:44] <RyanS> tormach 770. The drawbar looks like a real frustration saver, but the extra price is a little painful
[06:47:58] <Gamma-X> RyanS, you can make one by yourself...
[06:48:08] <Gamma-X> fairly simplistic.
[06:48:23] <Gamma-X> http://www.cnczone.com/forums/benchtop-machines/104146-rf-45-cnc-advice-needed-36.html
[06:48:40] <RyanS> I have seen designs for a belleville spring jobby]
[06:48:48] <Gamma-X> same thing...
[06:49:07] <Gamma-X> Thats what I plan on doing to my rf45 and I already have the quick change tooling holders
[06:49:17] <RyanS> I suppose if you have CNC you can machine the parts
[06:49:42] <Gamma-X> dont even need cnc for this...
[06:50:17] <RyanS> However with no knowledge of mechanical engineering . I would not want to cause any damage to the spindle
[06:51:04] <Gamma-X> just need to tune it so the cylinder doesnt put too much pressure on bearings... just enough to let collet out.
[06:51:34] <RyanS> Are you using TTS?
[06:51:52] <Gamma-X> basicly.
[06:52:08] <Gamma-X> bought it off ebay for 1/3 the price :) same thing from same supplier to tormach! lol
[06:52:26] <RyanS> I've read suggestions that the tools can 'pull out'
[06:53:16] <RyanS> Because they are not directly connected to the drawbar, but via R8 collet
[06:53:27] <Gamma-X> I had an end mill 2 -1/2 inches deep into a aluminum block and taking about 2/5 off theblock... it didnt pull out! lol but the end mill got clogged.
[06:54:20] <RyanS> Okay so the retention is more than enough considering the capabilities of the entire machine
[06:54:43] <Gamma-X> yes! lol
[06:55:00] <Gamma-X> just have appropriate torque on the tts
[06:56:26] <RyanS> the tormach power drawbar seemed to have some sort of control circuit board
[06:57:15] <RyanS> Actually, maybe not http://www.tormach.com/uploads/images/Gallery/products/upgrades/power_drawbar/32436_770_Drawbar_Parts.jpg
[06:57:31] <Gamma-X> its just an electronicaly actuated cylinder
[06:57:35] <Gamma-X> hooked up to a relay.
[06:58:09] <RyanS> And how do you get that to talk to the controller if you want to set up ATC
[06:58:24] <Gamma-X> which controller u have?
[06:59:03] <Gamma-X> lcnc?
[06:59:11] <Gamma-X> what breakout board...
[06:59:30] <RyanS> It will be the tormach one if I get the machine. Although there is apparently a utility to test the interrupt delay of other PCs
[06:59:46] <Gamma-X> oh so your not running lcnc?
[06:59:49] <RyanS> No not sure if I could use one of the old computers. I have
[07:00:29] <RyanS> nah . I just hang around here to talk about machining :)
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[07:03:10] <RyanS> And then to reverse engineer this http://www.tormach.com/uploads/images/Gallery/products/pcnc770/PCNC770_Options_Other/32570_ATC_In_EX-Close_MG_4634.jpg
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[07:09:48] <s1dev> RyanS: this might help you http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rrxHBsPyUj4
[07:10:17] <s1dev> looks like just a pneumatic cylinder to move it, and a stepper motor or something similiar to rotate the tools
[07:11:21] <s1dev> yep, seems just like that + power drawbar
[07:11:50] <s1dev> and then some sort of shelf for the collets to sit on
[07:13:27] <Gamma-X> ive been trying to source a cylinder..
[07:13:43] <RyanS> why bother with pneumatic
[07:13:52] <Gamma-X> quick change.
[07:13:57] <RyanS> It doesn't need to be that fast
[07:14:08] <Gamma-X> its simplistic.
[07:14:39] <Gamma-X> and reliable
[07:14:51] <RyanS> And how would you control the direction and indexing.. ?
[07:15:08] <Gamma-X> optical encoders prolly
[07:15:39] <Gamma-X> one on each for alignment maby and 1 for homing
[07:19:44] <Gamma-X> RyanS, pretty good start!
[07:19:45] <Gamma-X> http://www.ebay.com/itm/NUMATICS-Air-Slide-Guided-Cylinder-3-4-Bore-x-8-Adjustable-Stroke-/170908749255?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item27caf48dc7
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[10:21:42] <jthornton> yuck it is really 4:20 am
[10:27:26] <archivist> nah...10:23 AM :)
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[13:26:43] <pingufan> Hello, I am currently adding a 4th axis to my CNC mill. it is a rotary axis and parallel to X-axis. What I want to do with it is working on material from some sides (i.e. milling a part from an L-shaped material), but also to mill i.e. a thread and or small gears (if possible with an end-mill, because the lowest rpm of my mill is 20000rpm, it is a very small mill).
[13:28:03] <pingufan> So I am trying to understand how to use the 4th axis "A" in combination with X/Y/Z.
[13:28:11] <archivist> form tool is best for gears
[13:28:51] <archivist> write a small bit of gcode to rotate A then do the cut in a loop
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[13:29:55] <pingufan> Turning axis "A" and then working with X/Y/Z only, is simple. This I understand. But how can I mill a thread? I will have to do an X-move and hereby rotate the "A" axis to create the helix on the material.
[13:30:10] <pingufan> Can somebody explain this to me, please?
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[13:31:24] <pingufan> Also I am unsure about homing. I have three daisy-chained end switches for X/Y/Z. I want to home only X/Y/Z, but not "A". it shall not require to be homed.
[13:31:47] <archivist> I put the A pointing up for threads, then it is a simple g1 A3600 Z(10*pitch)
[13:32:44] <archivist> you need to fiddle the F to suit see inverse time mode
[13:32:48] <pingufan> Your "A" axis points upwards (parallel to "Z" ?
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[13:34:09] <archivist> if you want to be pedantic and get it right, set the A to the helix angle and traverse up the triangle
[13:35:26] <archivist> you can see the lean in this vid http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbp8SJ9RxqI
[13:35:34] <pingufan> My mill has only 60mm space for Z-AXIS. So I decided to let "A" point in "X" and use the chuck of my little "EMCO UNIMAT SL"
[13:36:03] <pingufan> This is yourt mill?
[13:36:07] <archivist> I jacked up the column
[13:36:13] <archivist> yes
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[13:37:06] <pingufan> Your baby is much(!) bigger than mine. :)
[13:37:26] <archivist> you need A in different directions depending on the job, you soon need a B
[13:37:47] <archivist> and then more space to get around the axies
[13:38:47] <pingufan> No chance. Not wit hthis machine. http://www.hantsch.co.at/_temp/DSCF5625.JPG
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[13:39:28] <archivist> I put a box under the column http://www.archivist.info/cnc/stage8/IMG_0268.JPG
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[13:40:21] <pingufan> This looks really heavy... :)
[13:41:04] <archivist> made from scrap and second hand bits
[13:42:20] <archivist> an end mill is not quite the right cutter for gears and threads, although you can do the maths and generate the form
[13:43:27] <archivist> with a form tool and lean you can do helicals too http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HAtziCsUj5Q
[13:43:37] <pingufan> Really impressive. My mill was/is a modified "Gravograph VX" engraving machine. Unbelievable high rpms on spindle (because it is designed for engraving), but I primarily use very small end-mills, so this matches perfectly my meeds. I had to replace the electronics, the drives were burned out.
[13:43:53] <archivist> weeee 651,675 views :)
[13:44:44] <archivist> if you can grind your tooling you can generate involute
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[13:44:58] * Valen shouts archivist the ability to resize images or a faster internet connection ;-P
[13:44:59] <pingufan> Also your mill? Well, I will not need a 5th axis. I do not want to make such gears.
[13:45:41] <archivist> see http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SJQtx80euGM
[13:46:10] <archivist> yes the plastic helical is mine
[13:46:46] <archivist> Valen, there is no faster internet here
[13:46:53] <Valen> :-<
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[13:47:29] <rodfrey> Hello, newb here. New router build, 3 axis with ATC spindle. Using Mesa 5i25 with 7i76 daughterboard, driving Gecko 320x (open loop servo drives)
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[13:48:04] <pingufan> But it should also work to place an end-mill above the A axis, and then rotate A while moving the tool along X. Also gives a thread.
[13:48:08] <rodfrey> Just powering up, want to test. Ran pncconf with mostly default settings. When I try to run linuxcnc it won't start, reports that it can't find pins.
[13:48:24] <rodfrey> Raptor.hal:39: Pin 'hm2_5i25.0.7i76.0.0.input-00' does not exist
[13:48:24] <rodfrey> 7220
[13:48:39] <rodfrey> Q: Do I need field power on for linuxcnc to start?
[13:48:53] <pingufan> Guys, your machines are 100 times bigger than mine. :D
[13:49:34] <archivist> pingufan, yes but the endmill has to be thread form or you need to do some evil maths to get the right angle for thread flank angle
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[13:50:28] <pingufan> I am afraid to do it as in the last link. With 20000 rpm this is no fun any more. (and this is slowest speed)
[13:51:23] <rodfrey> http://pastebin.com/YqpD8i8d for error message. Thanks for any help!
[13:52:06] <archivist> note that cutter has 40 deg sides, to use an endmill you have to think a bit
[13:52:20] <pingufan> But I should also get an alost acceptable result with a V-shaped endmill from top. No?
[13:52:54] <archivist> if you follow that videos generating path as well
[13:53:36] <pingufan> Sure. Are this G-Codes manually made, or coming from a program?
[13:54:32] <archivist> manually for me
[13:56:21] <pingufan> Sorry I have no hat on my head. Otherwise I would lift it. I am happy to have my 3 axes meanwhile under control (I also code most stuff manually).
[13:57:21] <Valen> thats some nice gear cutting there
[13:57:35] <archivist> pingufan, this was written for mine but will give you some clue http://www.archivist.info/cnc/generate_gear_n_teeth.ngc
[13:58:25] <pingufan> I mainly do not much more than milling plastic (Acrylic), Aluminum, somethimes Fiberglass.
[14:00:35] <pingufan> archivist: Do you know how to disable this nasty "unexpected Realtime delay" warning? It happens from time to time, but I never had issues because of it.
[14:02:00] <archivist> pingufan, fix latency and adjust acceleration and top speed
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[14:02:39] <Valen> pingufan: does it happen only when you start or when you are running?
[14:03:19] <pingufan> I ran the latency test for really long. Then I even added 40% to the reading. It still appears. -- During running. The PC is a VIA EPIA 1000 MHz, with OnBoard Graphics, ...
[14:05:55] <pingufan> I watch your manual lathe picture right now. I s this also from somewhere around 1960 ?
[14:08:10] <archivist> having an acceleration or top speed set to high also gives the error
[14:08:26] <archivist> which lathe
[14:09:13] <pingufan> The old green Shaublin, barried under dirt ;)
[14:10:40] <pingufan> Somewhat remembering me to my EMCO UNIMAT SL.
[14:10:56] <pingufan> But a little bit bigger and more gugged.
[14:11:43] <pingufan> ...rugged.
[14:13:38] <pingufan> archivist, is there no way to simply turn off this warning?
[14:13:50] <archivist> no you fix it
[14:17:09] <pingufan> Ok. Get a phone call. Come back later.
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[14:17:16] <CaptHindsight> pingufan: the VIA Epia's always had some latency glitches with the factory BIOS. What are your numbers when running the latency test?
[14:17:22] <CaptHindsight> heh
[14:17:31] <CaptHindsight> maybe a shared line?
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[15:11:23] <CaptHindsight> http://www.3ders.org/articles/20140310-3d-printing-branches-out-with-new-clay-based-filament-for-ceramics.html polymer clay (ceramic and thermoplastic) printer
[15:12:36] <CaptHindsight> unfortunately their future improvements don't include making a proper machine
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[15:18:09] <CaptHindsight> is there some sort of mental block that occurs after entering #reprap? There are even devs here that seem to be caught up in some irrational cult like behavior with glue guns.
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[15:43:32] <CaptHindsight> humble_sea_bass: any idea how many grams of force min. should be required to keep a dot in a high state?
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[15:49:26] <syyl-> grams of force?
[15:49:27] <syyl-> Oo
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[15:50:00] <syyl-> right now, mr. newton is spinning pretty fast in his grave
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[15:52:13] <CaptHindsight> Nm are fine
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[15:56:25] <CaptHindsight> syyl-: http://www.aqua-calc.com/what-is/force/gram-force
[15:56:48] <syyl-> what the hell
[15:57:16] <CaptHindsight> gf is typically used to rate the amount of force required for tactile feedback on small pushbutton switches
[15:57:38] <CaptHindsight> like the bumps on a braille reader
[15:57:47] <syyl-> interesting
[15:58:26] <CaptHindsight> too light and you might not feel the press, too heavy and your fingers go numb from pressing a small dot
[15:58:48] <syyl-> gram force is more than uncommon here
[15:59:27] <syyl-> here mN oder something in that range would be used
[15:59:40] <CaptHindsight> same here, but for engineering purposes there are lots of short cuts used
[16:00:50] <CaptHindsight> gf is common everywhere for specifying push button switches
[16:01:24] <syyl-> ok, sry for my ignorance :)
[16:02:02] <syyl-> dont judge me for that as a dumb german potato ;)
[16:02:24] <CaptHindsight> heh, pound or kg of potato?
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[16:03:03] <syyl-> kg of course ;)
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[16:03:22] <syyl-> but for the older guys here, pound ("pfund") is also common
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[16:04:47] <archivist> ounces
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[16:05:19] <CaptHindsight> http://www.e-switch.com/ProductCatalog/tabid/88/entity/tabid/95/entityname/category/categoryid/1/sename/Tact/default.aspx
[16:05:36] <syyl-> ok, now i am a believer
[16:05:44] <syyl-> and i hope mr. newton stops rotating
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[16:07:11] <CaptHindsight> http://www.digikey.com/product-search/en/switches/tactile-switches/1114206 heh they even include it as a search spec
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[16:24:07] <PetefromTn_> Wow man is it possible to have a LinuxCNC/serial Modbus hangover?? hehehe
[16:24:47] <somenewguy> sure, anything can give you a hangover if you try hard enough
[16:25:04] <PetefromTn_> Oh we tried man...we tried HARD LOL..
[16:25:17] <PetefromTn_> up til' almost 2:30 I think..
[16:27:03] <somenewguy> mans gotta do what a man can't stop himself from doing lol
[16:27:11] <cheater_> cya
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[16:27:36] <PetefromTn_> precisely.. It's a sickness. I am NOT well.
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[16:37:49] <somenewguy> speaking of sickness, can someone confirm that the price is a bit high here?
[16:37:55] <somenewguy> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Bridgeport-Boss-10-CNC-Milling-machine-without-Controller-/231132640719?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item35d09435cf
[16:41:05] <CaptHindsight> yes, way high, it better come with a bag of cash, $5k in tooling, a car etc etc
[16:41:33] <somenewguy> CRUD
[16:41:39] <Connor> PetefromTn_: Just need to figure out how to scale the speed by dividing it by 15 from what I remember from last night..
[16:41:40] <somenewguy> ...I just found one local, in my price range
[16:41:42] <cradek> heh "slides ... like new" on a 30 year old dovetail cnc
[16:41:43] <PetefromTn_> damn thats crazy.
[16:41:47] <CaptHindsight> somenewguy: where are you located near?
[16:41:51] <somenewguy> boston
[16:41:59] <somenewguy> https://boston.craigslist.org/nwb/tls/4358275212.html
[16:42:09] <PetefromTn_> Connor HEY MAN are you awake yet now I'm not LOL...
[16:42:09] <somenewguy> I have no where to put it, so it does me no good right now of course
[16:42:28] <Connor> PetefromTn_: I'm fine. remember.. I normally stay up till 3am anyways..
[16:42:29] <Connor> :)
[16:42:31] <somenewguy> that millport atually ooks like a good deal
[16:43:01] <PetefromTn_> millport is a nice machine got a neighbor has two of them. one is CNC like that.
[16:43:33] <PetefromTn_> Connor Yeah I know but I don't. Had to get up at 6:30 to take kids to school this morning and it was NOT EASY.
[16:43:37] <somenewguy> price even sounds reasonable. What I wouldn't do for a a real shop space
[16:43:53] <PetefromTn_> I feel like we made some damn good progress last night. VERY very cool.
[16:43:57] <somenewguy> hahahahah there is some guy selling a TAIG for 3k
[16:44:09] <CaptHindsight> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Bridgeport-Milling-Machine-/141189498226?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item20df8cc572
[16:44:45] <PetefromTn_> That thing looks like a wet noodle.
[16:45:02] <CaptHindsight> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Bridgeport-Vertical-Milling-Machine-9-x-32-M-head-MT2-1943-Round-Ram-/271418818769?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3f31d280d1
[16:45:10] <somenewguy> who looks like a wetnoodle?
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[16:45:45] <PetefromTn_> that 1k bridgie.
[16:45:50] <PetefromTn_> the first one.
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[16:46:31] <PetefromTn_> Connor Hey man do you have any ideas about the spindle scaling or for that matter does anyone else. We need to scale the spindle down by a factor of 15 apparently.
[16:47:14] <somenewguy> glad I am getting a better feel for what I amllooking at finally
[16:47:23] <CaptHindsight> http://www.ebay.com/itm/MATSUURA-MC-710V-DC-CNC-VERTICAL-MACHINING-CENTER-WITH-FANUC-CONTROL-/291096585270?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item43c6b56436
[16:47:59] <CaptHindsight> I might pick that up my next trip out east
[16:48:15] <somenewguy> I imagine that is gonna sell closer to 8-12k?
[16:48:16] <PetefromTn_> that looks like a beast man.
[16:48:27] <Connor> PetefromTn_: Not yet. Someone on here is going to know the best way to do that.
[16:48:36] <CaptHindsight> $3500 or best
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[16:48:53] <somenewguy> looksl ike it s worth a heck of alot more than that, and with a month left
[16:48:57] <PetefromTn_> you got room for that monster?
[16:49:09] <CaptHindsight> probably 10 more
[16:49:15] <somenewguy> thisi s why I am feeling out the market now tho, so I know what I am looking at when I do buy lol
[16:49:37] <somenewguy> give me a year or two, and one of these things is coming home with me
[16:49:42] <PetefromTn_> I bet that thing weighs like 12k...
[16:50:10] <CaptHindsight> 16k lbs
[16:50:38] <PetefromTn_> thats a mother hunk of iron LOL. Twin spindles AND toolchangers right.
[16:50:52] * somenewguy drools a little
[16:50:59] <CaptHindsight> i might use a slightly larger magic wand to move this one
[16:51:27] <CaptHindsight> it's sitting out on long island in storage at a rigger/mover
[16:51:36] <PetefromTn_> yeah like a monster forklift or a crane LOL.
[16:51:55] <somenewguy> convenient, maybe I'll buy a truck and build the shop around it when I get home eh?
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[16:52:55] <CaptHindsight> steel shed maybe
[16:52:55] <PetefromTn_> Connor Hey man I gotta run and meet my wife for something here I will be back in an hour or two. I really need to get that spindle scaling sorted so I can get back to making these parts. LOL NO pressure man hehehe
[16:53:54] <PetefromTn_> Thanks for your help.
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[16:54:08] <Connor> PetefromTn_: Ha. :) I'll see if I can get someone to help.
[16:54:28] <PetefromTn_> appreciate it talk soon.
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[17:38:15] <zeeshan> anyone really good with power distribution circuits?
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[17:38:51] <archivist> ask a better question :)
[17:38:55] <zeeshan> no
[17:39:12] <zeeshan> you must answer my vague question!
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[17:39:34] <archivist> impossible
[17:39:50] <JT-Shop> yes, someone is good with power distribution circuits
[17:40:09] <zeeshan> damnit lost the jpg.
[17:40:12] <archivist> insufficient data for meaningful answer error at line one, redo from start
[17:41:26] <JT-Shop> lol
[17:41:41] <humble_sea_bass> zeeshan: see National Electrical Code
[17:41:52] <zeeshan> NEC doesnt tell me about this one!
[17:42:11] <humble_sea_bass> in lieu of that, a copy of Ugly's electrical reference
[17:43:24] <humble_sea_bass> ok back to coughing and wheezing
[17:43:30] <archivist> at least there is quality here http://www.quick-tech-news.com/2009/08/wiring-gone-wrong.html
[17:43:42] <zeeshan> http://i.imgur.com/Dl2r7t0.png
[17:43:51] <zeeshan> would L1 be seeing 27+8A here
[17:43:58] <zeeshan> and L2 be seeing 27+8A?
[17:44:03] <zeeshan> and neutral would be seeing at most 16A?
[17:44:26] <zeeshan> i should prolly draw the joints. sec
[17:44:39] <humble_sea_bass> http://www.quick-tech-news.com/images/wiring/crazy-wiring-3.jpg
[17:44:46] <humble_sea_bass> mad fucking respect
[17:45:24] <zeeshan> http://i.imgur.com/UEjfSXo.png
[17:45:25] <zeeshan> there we go
[17:45:41] <zeeshan> lol at that picture
[17:46:41] <archivist> your question is not about wiring but about current
[17:46:57] <zeeshan> current determines wire size :P
[17:47:25] <archivist> you have a balanced load
[17:47:56] <archivist> it depends on phase too
[17:48:07] <humble_sea_bass> if you care about wire size, just look at the AWG vs ampacity table
[17:48:10] <humble_sea_bass> done
[17:48:15] <zeeshan> humble_sea_bass: i know that.
[17:48:18] <zeeshan> re-read my question
[17:48:41] <humble_sea_bass> anyone really good with power distribution circuits?
[17:48:46] <zeeshan> archivist this ia single phase circuit
[17:48:57] <archivist> zeeshan, think about direction of currents on the neutral
[17:49:03] <zeeshan> would L1 be seeing 27+8A here? and L2 be seeing 27+8A? and neutral would be seeing at most 16A?
[17:49:09] <zeeshan> .^ thats the q
[17:49:19] <archivist> phase matters in this question
[17:49:30] <zeeshan> please explain
[17:49:53] <archivist> methinks there is a 180 degrees here
[17:50:22] <pcw_home> if L1 and L2 are 180 (as you woudl expect with 220V single phase) N current = 0
[17:50:56] <archivist> balanced as I said earlier
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[17:51:15] <IchGuckLive> hi all B)
[17:51:15] <pcw_home> (beyond the connection between supplies and assuming draw is equal)
[17:51:45] <zeeshan> so what im understanding is L1,L2 will see 27+8A while N will see 0A.
[17:51:48] <zeeshan> since it's a balanced load
[17:51:53] <archivist> one would at least design for one dead supply
[17:51:53] <pcw_home> its also very unlikely those supplies actually draw 8A
[17:52:08] <pcw_home> or unloaded
[17:52:11] <Einar> Zeeshan: Answer is no. 27+8 is not right. L1-N and L2-N are not in phase.
[17:52:26] <zeeshan> yes, im planning to keep neutral wire the same size as the L1 and L2 conductors.
[17:52:56] <archivist> Einar, rethink
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[17:53:33] <CaptHindsight> are those wires going to be in a raceway or a control cabinet?
[17:53:37] <IchGuckLive> zeeshan: did you sleep today in the log there is only your name full 24h
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[17:54:00] <zeeshan> lets say both power supplies were connected to L1 and none were connected to L2
[17:54:14] <zeeshan> then wouldnt L1 see a draw of 8+8+27A?
[17:54:21] <pcw_home> yes
[17:54:46] <archivist> no
[17:54:52] <zeeshan> so basically when i connected each power supply to L1 and L2 respectively, im drawing less current per phase
[17:54:56] <zeeshan> IchGuckLive: lol
[17:55:00] <zeeshan> IchGuckLive: i never sleep
[17:55:01] <archivist> the two 8s are in series
[17:55:07] <pcw_home> imagine the power supplies are perfectly balanced (then the n connection does nothing)
[17:56:03] <zeeshan> 2 different answers
[17:56:06] <zeeshan> dun dun dun
[17:56:06] <zeeshan> :)
[17:56:20] <pcw_home> they are the same
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[17:56:49] <Einar> Zeeshan: Read all about it: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three-phase_electric_power
[17:56:58] <zeeshan> einar. give me a break.
[17:56:59] <zeeshan> you read that.
[17:57:07] <archivist> Einar, it is NOT 3 phase
[17:57:15] <zeeshan> lol
[17:57:15] <CaptHindsight> are we designing to meet a code like the NEC or just making back of the napkin calculations on loads?
[17:57:32] <zeeshan> CaptHindsight: i'm just try ing to find the amps running through each conductor right now
[17:57:47] <archivist> this is american/canadian 180 degree junk
[17:57:51] <zeeshan> from what i'm understanding, the way it is in the schematic right now, i need to size the conductors for 27+8A per phase.
[17:57:51] <CaptHindsight> it's just single phase 120/240
[17:58:03] <zeeshan> so 35A.
[17:58:13] <archivist> zeeshan, plus switch on surge
[17:58:17] <CaptHindsight> zeeshan: no, it depends on the loads and how you are going to wire them
[17:58:25] <pcw_home> Current is probably a lot less than you think
[17:58:43] <zeeshan> and if i were to connect both of them to L1, i'd need to size to 16+27A.
[17:58:52] <archivist> over here we are supposed to size for fault currents
[17:59:09] <zeeshan> archivist: same here
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[17:59:19] <zeeshan> 27A, 8A, 8A are fault currents
[17:59:19] <humble_sea_bass> archivist: america is the best. freedom phase #1
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[17:59:24] <zeeshan> for each item
[17:59:32] <pcw_home> if you drew 27A you would have a fire in your spindle motor
[17:59:45] <zeeshan> pcw_home: this is a 3hp motor 3 phase
[17:59:51] <Einar> archivist: So what is N? I read that as a TN grid where L3 is not in use.
[17:59:53] <zeeshan> the vfd draws 27A from single phase 240V.
[17:59:54] <archivist> might be a big motor :)
[18:00:05] <zeeshan> at max
[18:00:08] <zeeshan> that rating came directly from the vfd manual
[18:00:30] <CaptHindsight> the 120V loads and the 240V loads can't share the same conductors to meet the NEC
[18:00:39] <zeeshan> i want to power all 3 things, power supplies and vfd from the same 4-wire conductor.
[18:00:45] <pcw_home> IT probably a peak value (that > 50 KW!)
[18:00:59] <zeeshan> CaptHindsight: wrong
[18:01:05] <CaptHindsight> since they will require separate overload protection, different breakers
[18:01:06] <zeeshan> CaptHindsight: look at your stove, and dryer
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[18:01:10] <pcw_home> sorry 5KW
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[18:01:30] <zeeshan> CaptHindsight: your stove and dryer use a 2 pole breaker.
[18:01:48] <zeeshan> and i have fuses in front of both power supplies
[18:01:50] <CaptHindsight> zeeshan: yes and you can't put single pole loads on a 2 pole breaker
[18:01:53] <zeeshan> the vfd has builtin overcurrent protection
[18:02:11] <zeeshan> i just need to size the main wire coming in
[18:02:12] <zeeshan> :{
[18:02:14] <CaptHindsight> not in the NEC
[18:02:39] <zeeshan> your light bulb in the dryer and control system
[18:02:40] <CaptHindsight> but Canada has CE
[18:02:44] <zeeshan> is run by 110AC
[18:02:55] <zeeshan> while the motor is run off 240VAC
[18:03:34] <CaptHindsight> zeeshan: are you sizing for conductors in a raceway or withing a control cabinet?
[18:03:46] <zeeshan> control cabinet
[18:03:50] <CaptHindsight> thank you
[18:03:57] <zeeshan> i know how to size the wire
[18:04:00] <zeeshan> after finding the ampacity.
[18:04:03] <JT-Shop> archivist, you guys warm up yet? I have the doors open and there is some snow still on the ground
[18:04:11] <zeeshan> i'm still confused at the ampacity value
[18:05:46] <Tom_itx> supposed to be 70f here today
[18:05:50] <CaptHindsight> 27A + 8A = 35A for L1 and L2 , what insulation is the next question
[18:05:51] <Tom_itx> snow is still melting
[18:06:06] <zeeshan> so thje answer is 35A.
[18:06:07] <zeeshan> okay :D
[18:07:00] <zeeshan> using 90C SOOW cable
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[18:07:15] <zeeshan> so 8 gauge will be fine
[18:07:16] <CaptHindsight> #8 for safety
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[18:07:17] <zeeshan> 45A.
[18:07:30] <zeeshan> er 55A
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[18:07:38] <zeeshan> thats based on ambient
[18:07:50] <zeeshan> only 6" of the wire inside the cabinet
[18:07:58] <zeeshan> the rest goes to aplug on the wall
[18:08:13] <zeeshan> even with a 70% derating factor
[18:08:15] <zeeshan> its safe :P
[18:08:44] <CaptHindsight> I'd put overcurrent protection on min #16 for the 8A taps
[18:09:02] <CaptHindsight> but #14 is more common
[18:11:41] <CaptHindsight> same here high 40'sF and snow in 20 ft piles
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[18:13:22] <zeeshan> CaptHindsight:
[18:13:28] <zeeshan> http://i.imgur.com/84IMGlK.png
[18:13:35] <zeeshan> thats the wire sizes im using
[18:13:39] <zeeshan> and how it's actually wired
[18:13:46] <zeeshan> the only thing i wasn't sure about was the main wire
[18:15:37] <CaptHindsight> #12 will do it!
[18:15:44] <zeeshan> i know its overkill
[18:15:49] <zeeshan> but i have 1000 feet of 12 gauge
[18:15:58] <zeeshan> but no 14 gauge
[18:15:58] <zeeshan> lol
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[18:16:21] <CaptHindsight> if these were loads off of a load center you'd have to have seperate conductors and breakers for the 240V devices and the 120V
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[18:17:23] <zeeshan> hm
[18:18:16] <zeeshan> those wires go into a 4 prong receptcacle on the wall
[18:18:19] <zeeshan> which is rated for 40A.
[18:18:33] <zeeshan> and the hots (l1 l2) go to a 2 pole 40A breaker
[18:19:02] <CaptHindsight> but they are all in a control cabinet
[18:19:11] <zeeshan> ohh
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[18:19:28] <zeeshan> so you're saying you can't power 110v and 220V seperate devices
[18:19:37] <zeeshan> if they weren't in the cabinet.
[18:19:43] <CaptHindsight> yeah
[18:19:48] <Loetmichel> *gnah* first of four 19" front plates done... to mill THAT much aluminium with a 3mm mill bit... i must be totally nuts! ;-) -> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=14766
[18:19:49] <zeeshan> makes sense
[18:19:52] <zeeshan> that could be hazardous
[18:20:36] <CaptHindsight> I forget the Canadian rules and regs on this but usually all the control cabinets we build need to meet CE
[18:21:05] <CaptHindsight> but that depends on the location and local ordinances and insurance co
[18:21:18] <zeeshan> yep
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[18:21:49] <zeeshan> thanks for the help :D
[18:21:57] <CaptHindsight> down here it's local codes, or NEC for wiring up to the panel and then UL within
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[18:23:35] <CaptHindsight> much of it has little connection to current technology, some places still require soldered connections
[18:24:27] <CaptHindsight> or no romex even for residential
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[18:34:19] <humble_sea_bass> japan was exclusively romex in spite of the fact most of their home construction is stick
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[18:37:39] <CaptHindsight> no stones?!
[18:39:10] <CaptHindsight> don't they just rebuild every few decades anyway after earthquakes, tsunamis, Mothra, etc ?
[18:39:26] <Loetmichel> humble_sea_bass: romex is that cable that looks like a shower hose?
[18:39:44] <humble_sea_bass> they also find old homes to be distasteful
[18:40:01] <humble_sea_bass> Loetmichel: yes, sometimes flattened too
[18:40:11] <Loetmichel> CaptHindsight: a wooden japanese home will not need any rebuild after an earthquake
[18:40:21] <CaptHindsight> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/47/Romex_cable.agr.jpg/1024px-Romex_cable.agr.jpg
[18:40:40] <humble_sea_bass> their wooden homes are amazing
[18:40:45] <Loetmichel> ah, so not the metal armored stuff?
[18:40:53] <CaptHindsight> the shower hose stuff is flexible non-metallic conduit
[18:41:05] <humble_sea_bass> the metal armor stuff is usually refered to as BX
[18:41:06] <Jymmm> ...just shit loads of rice paper
[18:41:19] <CaptHindsight> there are a few types of metal flex conduit
[18:41:38] <Jymmm> armored cable
[18:41:52] <CaptHindsight> greenfield for over 6'
[18:42:20] <Jymmm> https://www.google.com/search?q=armored+cable
[18:43:02] <CaptHindsight> well we ran 8' of 3/4 greenfield from a 1900 box to the cans
[18:44:05] <CaptHindsight> I once passed an electrical contractor exam just because I knew the lingo
[18:44:30] <humble_sea_bass> here at the office we're designing this coast guard station and dock, and the connectors for the ships are lol funny
[18:45:04] <CaptHindsight> health care centers have the most complicated codes
[18:45:49] <humble_sea_bass> ATS switches out the butt
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[18:46:03] <humble_sea_bass> color coded armored cable
[18:46:34] <CaptHindsight> humble_sea_bass: how much pressure should a braille dot have to be sure it's read as a high?
[18:47:02] <CaptHindsight> also is there a standard for the dia, height and spacing?
[18:47:33] <humble_sea_bass> the spacing is 2.54mm usally for western braille
[18:47:39] <humble_sea_bass> dot pitch
[18:48:05] <CaptHindsight> is there a problem with 1-2KV on the surface of the dot or should we insulate? :)
[18:48:07] <humble_sea_bass> the and .5mm for height
[18:48:56] <CaptHindsight> 0.5mm should be no problem
[18:49:01] <humble_sea_bass> the holding strength of the cell is debatable
[18:49:48] <CaptHindsight> http://www.risoe.dk/rispubl/pol/polpdf/ris-r-1286.pdf
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[18:50:05] <CaptHindsight> and it has already been patented for inkjet
[18:50:07] <humble_sea_bass> because some companies like Freedom Scientific, they seem to leverage their actuators so you get a much stiffer cell
[18:50:27] <humble_sea_bass> but some ppl bitch about it and prefer a more forgiving dot
[18:50:44] <CaptHindsight> they do it since PZT doesn't flex much, maybe 2%
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[18:51:27] <CaptHindsight> 0.5mm with a 10:1 lever means only 0.05mm is required
[18:51:49] <CaptHindsight> even 50um is a lot for PZT
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[18:54:40] <CaptHindsight> http://www.shop3m.com/3m-vhb-tape-4910-group.html a few papers use this tape as material
[18:55:30] <humble_sea_bass> heh, i actually used this tape bakc in college, completely forgot about it
[18:55:48] <CaptHindsight> http://multimedia.3m.com/mws/mediawebserver?mwsId=66666UgxGCuNyXTtnxMtLXs6EVtQEcuZgVs6EVs6E666666--
[18:56:40] <CaptHindsight> but I should be able to print a display pretty easily using liquids
[18:57:36] <humble_sea_bass> i drafted up an 8 point cell testing jig
[18:58:22] <humble_sea_bass> with with levers and all, i should get it all cut out in the next few days
[18:59:10] <CaptHindsight> I'm shooting for direct drive 0.5mm travel
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[19:00:44] <humble_sea_bass> do you have access to this polymers? I was looking at that openmaterials database for EAPs
[19:02:11] <CaptHindsight> yes, I work with acrylates all the time
[19:02:48] <CaptHindsight> from the papers they seem to be more durable and higher efficiency than PDMS
[19:05:35] <CaptHindsight> the main downside is the 1KV needed or more to drive them
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[19:06:03] <humble_sea_bass> that's a bit high for lithium batteries
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[19:07:18] <CaptHindsight> well the actual display might be $2 in plastic parts but the 876 LiIon batteries are bit cost prohibitive :)
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[19:07:39] <humble_sea_bass> they can run a rail gun off of it
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[19:08:06] <CaptHindsight> nah just one battery and a step up supply
[19:08:14] <CaptHindsight> realy low current
[19:09:48] <CaptHindsight> the main draw is when turning on/off, capacitive load
[19:10:29] <CaptHindsight> but if rise and fall times can be slow like for a reader it's low
[19:10:51] <CaptHindsight> and printhead would be another story at 50khz vs 1hz
[19:15:31] <humble_sea_bass> one application where it wouldn't be an issue would be a low cost embosser
[19:17:55] <CaptHindsight> you can print the DEA and also the button surface
[19:18:05] <IchGuckLive> im off by
[19:18:08] <IchGuckLive> e
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[19:18:43] <CaptHindsight> http://spie.org/documents/newsroom/videos/1738/SRI_Braille-prototype_Squares-lines.MPG
[19:19:28] <CaptHindsight> it just needs an insulator for the 1-4KV you charge it with
[19:20:58] <humble_sea_bass> the grid is the conductor we are seeing?
[19:23:18] <CaptHindsight> yes, it's where the conductors/plates are placed
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[19:26:17] <humble_sea_bass> well, if you use a lever then you dont have to insulate anything too much
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[20:19:07] <PetefromTn_> http://www.youtube.com/embed/ZWpLfncliwU?rel=0 WOW not topic related but ....amazing.
[20:23:22] <humble_sea_bass> the problem with that is that it is opera
[20:23:30] <Deejay> hrhr
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[20:24:15] <humble_sea_bass> http://time.com/18173/this-7-year-olds-incredible-voice-will-give-you-chills-as-she-channels-billie-holiday/
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[20:26:00] <humble_sea_bass> here is a nother child with the abilitity to channel what its like to OD on heroin
[20:26:01] <PetefromTn_> I don't see a problem seabass I see an amazing talent from an amazing kid. Just blew me away.
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[20:28:05] <humble_sea_bass> i should have just said " she is singing in a style I don't care fore"
[20:28:32] <humble_sea_bass> because I would have gushed if she did some Jean Ritchie
[20:28:51] <PetefromTn_> surely a guy like you can look past that and enjoy an amazing voice right ;)
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[20:31:36] * JT-Shop is in a short sleeve shirt and there is still snow in some places
[20:34:20] <Loetmichel> JT-Shop: i dont get it, too
[20:34:37] <Loetmichel> i used to shovel snow from the driveway in a thshirt
[20:34:45] <Loetmichel> ... when ther was snow ;-)
[20:35:29] <PetefromTn_> JT-Shop Hey man it is really nice here today like 60 degrees and sunny FINALLY!
[20:38:39] <humble_sea_bass> i will leave the office today and the sun will be shining
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[20:44:25] <JT-Shop> PetefromTn_, same here 60f and sunny
[20:46:02] <JT-Shop> I've been running a box fan in my shop with a 20 x 20 house air filter on the intake side and you would not believe the amount of dirt it collects
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[20:47:18] <humble_sea_bass> that's flavor
[20:49:46] <PetefromTn_> I need to get a nice big fan for the shop at some point. My shop is kinda directed to where there really is never any direct sunlight hitting the big doors so it is usually quite cool in there during the summer. Sucks in the winter tho I need to run the heaters all the time I am in there.
[20:50:17] <humble_sea_bass> what kind of insulation do you have
[20:51:01] <PetefromTn_> just the regular pink stuff in the walls and ceiling but there is a HUGE attick above it that kinda holds the cold and it is of course a concrete slab..
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[20:52:07] <PetefromTn_> I usually run the turbo forced air heater for maybe a half hour when it is really cold then switch to the electric heater to maintain it. The big heater sometimes will kick in if it is really cold tho.
[20:52:14] <humble_sea_bass> the pink stuff is not dense enough to prevent air infiltration
[20:52:27] <humble_sea_bass> and wind washing
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[20:53:20] <humble_sea_bass> I've begun using Roxul lately and it is by far the best
[20:53:36] <PetefromTn_> well the shop is sided with OSB sheeting and then has tyvek style house wrap before the vinyl siding on the outside so it is actually pretty closed up but the Garage doors are wood and uninsulated so that kinda sucks. Need to get some new ones at some point.
[20:54:26] <humble_sea_bass> dense as heck, hydrophobic, not with very good sound attenuation properperties
[20:54:55] <humble_sea_bass> and with very good
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[20:55:42] <PetefromTn_> is that like a board or sheet good?
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[21:06:51] <humble_sea_bass> it is like a rigid sponge
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[21:10:00] <cpresser> for a special application (tensile strenght testing machine) i would like to program a linear move with increasing feedrate.
[21:10:16] <cpresser> does anybody have an idea how to do this?
[21:12:21] <jthornton> just using HAL? or Axis?
[21:14:57] <cpresser> HAL only. i will do a custom gui
[21:16:08] <cpresser> the machine will have a stepper in velocity mode with an encoder on the leadscrew. its a single axis machine
[21:16:44] <jthornton> I wonder if my winder example would be of any help, it is just a hal thing for a spool winder
[21:17:33] <jthornton> http://www.gnipsel.com/linuxcnc/examples.html
[21:17:37] <cpresser> jthornton: this one? http://linuxcnc.org/docs/html/hal/hal-examples.html (point4)
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[21:18:57] <jthornton> well I was thinking of this one http://www.gnipsel.com/linuxcnc/examples.html
[21:19:13] <cpresser> jthornton: nice, this is very similar to my (future) setup!
[21:19:56] <jthornton> you're welcome
[21:20:43] * cpresser is about to do his first retrofit
[21:21:14] <jthornton> sounds like fun
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[21:22:54] <cpresser> yep. i am looking forward to it. i need to do some digging on which mesa-cards to get and which drive-train to use
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[21:23:26] <cpresser> but its not to complicated fortunately. a perfect project for learning new stuff
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[21:33:18] <PetefromTn_> Okay folks I have been reading here trying to sort my final issue with this new Modbus setup I have here. thanks to tireless efforts from Zeeshan, Connor, PCW and others I have the modbus working as of last night, we have communication for FWD, REverse, and stop etc.
[21:33:37] <PetefromTn_> Only problem we are having now is the spindle speed setup is wrong.
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[21:34:16] <PetefromTn_> the machine right now basically runs 15 times faster than it should. IE commande 10 RPM gives us 150 RPM.
[21:35:18] <PetefromTn_> I have been reading about spindle scaling here this afternoon online trying to get the thing sorted out. Apparently there are settings for 0-10v control as well as PWM spindle control schemes but I am not sure if either works with serial modbus or how.
[21:36:01] <PetefromTn_> We tried some hal file changes last night but it was getting late and we were getting tired so I left it for today to try to figure this out.
[21:36:25] <PetefromTn_> Good news is everything works as it should other than this thanks to my friends help I cannot thank them enough.
[21:36:42] <PetefromTn_> Anyone have any experience with spindle speed scaling in Modbus?
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[21:43:07] <zeeshan> PetefromTn_: can you post your latest .hal file online
[21:46:27] <cpresser> PetefromTn_: i suppose you are using a VFD? the vfd also has scaling parameters. you should check these as well
[21:47:29] <PetefromTn_> zeeshan Sorry man I was reading something on the zone about linuxCNC and modbus... I will fire up the machine here and post it in a minute okay.
[21:47:39] <zeeshan> im gonna check out your vfd manual
[21:47:44] <zeeshan> and see if we can scale it n there
[21:47:47] <zeeshan> i know on my vfd you can
[21:48:24] <PetefromTn_> cpresser Yeah this is the Hitachi WJ200 VFD and honestly I don't care how we do it as long as it is accurate to the speed until I can get the feedback working.
[21:50:03] <PetefromTn_> I was looking at setting B086 says some kinda freq scaling.
[21:51:40] <zeeshan> that just scales the display frequency
[21:51:50] <zeeshan> so you can actually read see "RPM" on your vfd led screen
[21:52:21] <PetefromTn_> yeah that is what I think too.
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[21:55:12] <PetefromTn_> would be nice if it was just a simple hal line change.
[21:57:46] <zeeshan> post it up! :P
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[22:02:45] <zeeshan> i think we just gotta do this
[22:02:47] <PetefromTn_> workin on it man...
[22:02:57] <zeeshan> loadrt multi2 count=1
[22:03:22] <zeeshan> mult2.0.in0 0.066667
[22:04:00] <zeeshan> mult2.0.in1 thecommandedfreq
[22:04:21] <zeeshan> and then associate wj200-vfd.0.commanded-frequency with mult2.0.out
[22:08:43] <PetefromTn_> sorry man experiencing TECHNICAL difficulties please stand by ;)
[22:11:34] <Deejay> gn8
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[22:15:49] <PetefromTn_> pastebin.com/g71PkAcU
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[22:17:36] <PetefromTn_> are you thinking those lines would be added after line 17?
[22:17:46] <zeeshan> yea
[22:17:50] <zeeshan> sec
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[22:25:17] <PetefromTn_> zeeshan can you show me the screenset you made with the spindle load metering and spindle speed options on it, I wanna show my wife LOL.
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[22:25:43] <zeeshan> spindle_out.out
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[22:25:45] <zeeshan> man what is that
[22:25:47] <zeeshan> andypugh: hi
[22:25:51] <zeeshan> spindle_out.out what is this?!
[22:26:11] <zeeshan> PetefromTn_: http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p252/turbozee84/VFD_GUI_zps548be878.png
[22:26:28] <andypugh> spindle_out.out sounds like a pncconf signal name.
[22:26:34] <zeeshan> oh
[22:26:48] <zeeshan> apparently thats how pete's spindle runs
[22:27:00] <zeeshan> spindle's speed is set i mean
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[22:27:30] <zeeshan> on my hal config im using motion.spindle-speed-out
[22:27:31] <andypugh> It is almost certainly netted to motion.spindle-speed-out somewhere in the HAL.
[22:27:40] <zeeshan> ah
[22:28:00] <andypugh> Is it the fist thing after the word "net"
[22:28:10] <zeeshan> andypugh: i bet you can solve this problem in like 2minutes
[22:28:36] <zeeshan> net spindle-vel-cmd => wj200-vfd.0.commanded-frequency <= abs.spindle_out.out
[22:28:43] <PetefromTn_> Hey man just realized that for some reason the reverse button for spindle on the manual tab is now missing?
[22:29:14] <andypugh> Ah, abs.spindle-out is a named instance of an abs conponent.
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[22:29:44] <andypugh> You will see a "loadrt abs count=N names=...,abs.spindle,....
[22:29:56] <zeeshan> loadrt abs names=abs.spindle,abs.spindle_out
[22:29:57] <zeeshan> you're right
[22:30:22] <andypugh> (It's actually pretty good practice to include _what_ the named component is in it's name, otherwise it gets more confusing still.
[22:30:36] <zeeshan> PetefromTn_: not sure
[22:31:08] <zeeshan> net spindle-out-abs motion.spindle-speed-out => abs.spindle_out.in
[22:31:11] <zeeshan> there IT IS.
[22:31:18] <PetefromTn_> yeah man it was there before last night I am sure it is something stupid tho..
[22:32:18] <PetefromTn_> M4 still works in MDI so it must be some kinda GUI setting
[22:32:29] <andypugh> What's the problem?
[22:32:43] <zeeshan> the big problem right now is
[22:32:55] <zeeshan> when he does m3 s10
[22:32:57] <PetefromTn_> andypugh We need to change the spindle scaling by 15 factor and I need to get my reverse button back on the manual tab
[22:33:04] <zeeshan> it sets wj200-vfd.0.commanded-frequency to 10.
[22:33:09] <zeeshan> and his drive runs at 10hz.
[22:33:21] <zeeshan> his tachometer says its running at 150rpm.
[22:33:22] <andypugh> And that bothers you?
[22:33:33] <zeeshan> so we know its off by a scale of 1/15.
[22:33:49] <PetefromTn_> no man I LIKE my machine to rapid spindle up to the sky when I program 1k LOL
[22:33:54] <zeeshan> trying to figure out how to scale S10 -> to actually output 10/15 to wj200-vfd.0.commanded-frequency
[22:34:21] <zeeshan> the way i'm thinking of doing it is using mult2.
[22:34:37] <andypugh> You can use the "scale" HAL component
[22:35:28] <PetefromTn_> just found it how does that work?
[22:35:29] <andypugh> Or, if you intend to use closed-loop spindle control, then use PID and set the FF0 to 1/15
[22:35:55] <zeeshan> setp scale.spindle.gain 60
[22:35:56] <PetefromTn_> we actually will be using closed loop as soon as I can get the damn encoder mount built and installed.
[22:35:57] <zeeshan> you already have that
[22:36:34] <PetefromTn_> Yeah we changed it to four last night to try it remember.
[22:36:37] <andypugh> that gain of 60 looks to be wrong.
[22:36:46] <zeeshan> we changed that to 10 yesterday
[22:36:49] <zeeshan> to see if it did anything
[22:36:52] <zeeshan> it didn't do anything
[22:37:13] <andypugh> It looks like it isn't in the net.
[22:37:22] <zeeshan> yes
[22:37:35] <PetefromTn_> I am afraid since we used pncconf to setup originally with the 5i25 7i77 cards even tho we have things working in modbus there are still settings in the hal file that are setup for the mesa stuff.
[22:37:49] <andypugh> Are you sure that the wj200 comp doesn't have a built-in scale?
[22:37:59] <zeeshan> andypugh: i looked through his pdf
[22:38:02] <zeeshan> i couldn't find anything
[22:38:15] <andypugh> Where's the wj200 source?
[22:38:20] <zeeshan> driver
[22:38:22] <zeeshan> or pdf.
[22:38:22] <Connor> one sec. let me get it.
[22:38:38] <zeeshan> PetefromTn_: btw you don't have a reverse gui button
[22:38:39] <zeeshan> because:
[22:38:44] <zeeshan> #net spindle-ccw hm2_5i25.0.7i77.0.0.output-01 <= motion.spindle-reverse
[22:38:50] <zeeshan> i commented that out yesterday
[22:38:55] <zeeshan> we can fix that later
[22:38:57] <Connor> andypugh: https://github.com/OKComputers/linuxcnc-mirror/tree/wj200_vfd/src/hal/user_comps/wj200_vfd
[22:39:05] <PetefromTn_> okay so we can fix that easy then good.
[22:39:21] <zeeshan> PetefromTn_ is a famous guy
[22:39:27] <zeeshan> he's got 3 people helping him
[22:39:30] <zeeshan> :D
[22:39:45] <andypugh> Yeah, there is no scale pin. I would probably just add a scale pin if it was my machine :-)
[22:39:54] <zeeshan> andypugh:
[22:39:55] <zeeshan> EXACTLY
[22:39:58] <zeeshan> when i wrote my driver
[22:40:01] <zeeshan> i did exactly that
[22:40:12] <zeeshan> cause i can only do basic stuff in the hal config.
[22:41:14] <zeeshan> net spindle-vel-cmd => wj200-vfd.0.commanded-frequency; net spindle-vel-cmd <= abs.spindle_out.out
[22:41:16] <andypugh> But, you have a scale HAL component, so feed the abs.spindle-out.out to scale.spindle.in and then the scale.spindle.out to the VFD
[22:41:17] <zeeshan> how do you scale :D
[22:41:29] * PetefromTn_ wonders how I became so damn famous er...inept.
[22:42:02] <zeeshan> gotcha.
[22:42:11] <andypugh> replace wj200...... in that line with the scale...in
[22:42:42] <PetefromTn_> andypugh Are you seeing the hal I posted here?
[22:42:43] <Connor> I'm not too happy with the wj200 driver.. it needs some tweaks..
[22:42:46] <andypugh> Then add a line underneath net spindle-frequency-command scale....out => wj200....commanded-frequency
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[22:46:04] <Connor> PetefromTn_: Got my linear bearings in today
[22:46:24] <PetefromTn_> AWESOME!
[22:46:43] <zeeshan> setp scale.spindle.gain 10 setp lowpass.spindle.gain 1.000000
[22:46:48] <zeeshan> net spindle-vel-cmd => scale.spindle.in net scale.spindle.out <= wj200-vfd.0.commanded-frequency
[22:46:55] <zeeshan> thats all that was changed
[22:47:00] <zeeshan> i wonder why the gain has a lowpass in front ofhim
[22:47:18] <Connor> Don't remember...
[22:47:31] <Connor> was probably done by pnconf program
[22:47:33] <zeeshan> im leaving it alone :P
[22:48:12] <zeeshan> http://pastebin.com/CRCRjFu6
[22:48:14] <zeeshan> try that out PetefromTn_
[22:48:26] <zeeshan> don't go crazy with m3 sxxx
[22:48:28] <PetefromTn_> Okay we sure about it LOL...
[22:48:31] <zeeshan> start with m3 s10.
[22:48:47] <zeeshan> and measure the speed
[22:48:53] <zeeshan> if i've done it right
[22:48:58] <zeeshan> you'll be running at 100hz.
[22:49:06] <zeeshan> (just to test)
[22:49:16] <zeeshan> actually do m3 s1.
[22:49:23] <zeeshan> that should get you running at 10hz.
[22:49:35] <zeeshan> if that works, its easy to fix the scale :P
[22:49:52] <zeeshan> connor did you buy linear bearings from linearmotionbearings2008?
[22:49:58] <zeeshan> his prices on linear bearings are stupid cheap
[22:50:05] <zeeshan> and theyre amazingly of high quality.
[22:50:24] <PetefromTn_> Oh great my damn firefox browser on the machine has been hijacked.
[22:50:43] <andypugh> The lowpass will add a slow ramp to commanded speed (well, with a gain of 1 it won't do anything).
[22:50:43] <zeeshan> ??
[22:51:03] <zeeshan> andypugh: did you help create hal?
[22:51:17] <andypugh> I would get rid of the lowpass I think, and let the VFD control the speed ramp.
[22:51:27] <zeeshan> ok we'll change it up
[22:51:35] <andypugh> No, HAL was written long before I got involved in LuinuxCNC. I am a bit of a noob really.
[22:51:38] <Connor> zeeshan: No, this is for something else..
[22:51:49] <zeeshan> connor ah
[22:55:01] <PetefromTn_> okay errored out.
[22:55:12] <zeeshan> whats the error
[22:56:01] <PetefromTn_> says signal name 'scale.spindle.out' must not be the same as a pin. Did you omit the signal name? That is what is says exactly..
[22:56:33] <Tom_itx> andypugh, in too deep to back out now noob
[22:56:53] <PetefromTn_> Tom_itx TOM!! Where ya been man?
[22:57:23] <zeeshan> net scale.spindle.out <= wj200-vfd.0.commanded-frequency
[22:57:26] <zeeshan> something wrong with that line.
[22:57:29] <zeeshan> line 228
[22:57:39] <Tom_itx> PetefromTn_, took a week off
[22:57:57] <PetefromTn_> nice..
[22:58:12] <zeeshan> pete first of all
[22:58:15] <zeeshan> change line 224
[22:58:19] <zeeshan> change the lowpass
[22:58:19] <zeeshan> to
[22:58:23] <zeeshan> scale
[22:58:25] <PetefromTn_> We're neck deep in my modbus spindle control conversion.
[22:58:40] <Tom_itx> i see
[22:58:59] <PetefromTn_> okay done.
[22:59:22] <PetefromTn_> probably more like eyebrow deep and sinkin' hehehe
[22:59:28] <Tom_itx> drove back from Galveston yesterday
[22:59:42] <JT-Shop> Tom_itx, I uploaded a bug fix to the G code generator
[22:59:49] <zeeshan> i'm not sure whats wrong with line 228
[22:59:52] <JT-Shop> and you didn't stop by on your way home?
[23:00:11] <Tom_itx> it was a rather brisk pace to get back
[23:00:24] <JT-Shop> lol I can imagine
[23:00:36] <Tom_itx> 9.5 hrs... do the math
[23:00:41] <Tom_itx> :)
[23:01:04] <Tom_itx> she wanted to get back to her puppies
[23:01:15] <zeeshan> oh
[23:01:20] <zeeshan> change line 228 to
[23:01:31] <PetefromTn_> does the setp line we editited change that?
[23:01:38] <Tom_itx> i'll check your changes once i get caught up here
[23:01:48] <zeeshan> net spindle-frequency-command spindle.scale.out => wj200-vfd.0.commanded-frequency
[23:01:53] <Tom_itx> JT-Shop, what sort of bug fix
[23:01:57] <zeeshan> try that out on line 228.
[23:02:25] <zeeshan> i really dislike hal sometimes :{
[23:02:25] <JT-Shop> facing step over was borked
[23:02:39] <Tom_itx> ok
[23:03:38] <PetefromTn_> okay hang on.
[23:04:34] <PetefromTn_> Oops spindle.scale.out does not exist.....
[23:04:59] <zeeshan> i typed that wrong.
[23:05:03] <zeeshan> scale.spindle.out
[23:05:06] <zeeshan> not spindle.scale.out
[23:05:07] <zeeshan> :)
[23:06:30] <PetefromTn_> Okay error...Pin 'scale.spindle.in' was already linked to signal 'spindle-vel-cmd
[23:07:48] <zeeshan> comment out line 274
[23:08:21] <zeeshan> comment out lines 272-274
[23:08:29] <zeeshan> and 275
[23:09:22] <PetefromTn_> Okay it opened..
[23:09:28] <zeeshan> m3 s1
[23:09:46] <zeeshan> you have a bunch of extra lines in your hal :P
[23:09:56] <PetefromTn_> holy crap that is slow...
[23:10:04] <zeeshan> what speed
[23:10:36] <PetefromTn_> hard to measure but looks like 30 RPM.
[23:10:56] <zeeshan> try s10
[23:10:59] <zeeshan> and remeasure
[23:11:01] <zeeshan> and s20
[23:11:24] <PetefromTn_> s10 is 150
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[23:12:07] <PetefromTn_> s20 is 300....
[23:12:16] <zeeshan> okay
[23:12:16] <zeeshan> lol
[23:12:16] <zeeshan> line 223
[23:12:17] <PetefromTn_> my wife is yelling at me to come eat dinner...
[23:12:19] <zeeshan> and line 224
[23:12:23] <zeeshan> arent they the exact same thing?
[23:12:24] <zeeshan> :P
[23:12:35] <zeeshan> go eat dinner! :P
[23:12:39] <zeeshan> ill be back in a few too
[23:12:47] <PetefromTn_> okay thanks man appreciate ya.
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[23:16:10] <andypugh> I wonder how the guy who is trying to set up a toolchanger from scratch with no previous knowledge, in 2 weeks, is getting on?
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[23:21:39] <Tom_itx> probably still 2 weeks behind
[23:21:56] <mcell> I need to choose a linux distro for a Parport CNC PC. If I compile emc2-dev/ from git, and compile my own kernel, 32bit debian (stable) will work as good as Ubuntu I guess ? (I would favor Debian then).
[23:22:23] <PCW> I wonder if the same toolchanger has been done before
[23:22:28] <andypugh> Yes, all you lose is the easy install from LiveCD
[23:22:58] <andypugh> PCW: Do you recall that very extensive comp that JR1050 showed
[23:23:05] <PCW> Yes
[23:23:32] <andypugh> I couldn't find it the other day, but I think it was incomplete and different anyway.
[23:23:53] <andypugh> I am actually sat here trying to ork out how a comp can move the Z axis.
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[23:24:38] <andypugh> I think it needs to latch the current motor-position-command then take over control.
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[23:24:39] <Jymmm> andypugh: telepathically
[23:25:08] <PCW> Yeah via an offset
[23:25:32] <andypugh> (ie, feed the Z-axis PID from an alternative source). But I can't find a HAL pin that directly provides G53 position.
[23:25:38] <PCW> (or like you say latch if Z can change out from under the comp)
[23:26:13] <mcell> ahh, I see... http://www.linuxcnc.org/docs/2.4/html/install_installing_emc2.html "custom Live-CD based on Ubuntu 6.06 and 8.04 that will let you try out EMC2 before installing, and it's also the easiest way to install Ubuntu and EMC2 together." ... I thought because of the upgrades and recompiles (I expect I'll need to disable Intel SMI) that sounded like little gain, but maybe a good starting point at least to have something worki
[23:26:13] <mcell> ng without 4 hours of install...
[23:26:44] <andypugh> I guess that a comp can read accel limits from the INI. I have never tried it, but I think it could be done in the setup code.
[23:27:33] <andypugh> There is a 10.04 package available.
[23:28:10] <andypugh> Actually, there is a 12.04. http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?LinuxCNC_On_Ubuntu_Precise
[23:28:39] <andypugh> mcell: You seem to be browsing the archive site, 2.4 is old. We are on to 2.5 now.
[23:29:24] <andypugh> mcell: This is the link for the 10.04 Live-CD http://www.linuxcnc.org/index.php/english/download
[23:30:09] <andypugh> But it is not inconceivable that the 12.04 debs will work on Debian.
[23:31:13] <mcell> ahh, thanx... I wanted to ask about that (8.x Ubuntu sounded like ancient)
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[23:32:42] <PetefromTn_> You talking CHNCguy?
[23:34:00] <PetefromTn_> why is it not easy to move the Z during the toolchange like that?
[23:34:29] <zeeshan> PetefromTn_:
[23:34:32] <zeeshan> distracted AGAIN!
[23:34:33] <zeeshan> :P
[23:34:45] <PetefromTn_> sorry man I am too easily distracted LOL
[23:34:48] <zeeshan> hah
[23:34:53] <PetefromTn_> look squirrel!
[23:35:27] <PetefromTn_> now where the hell were we? LOL
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[23:35:49] <zeeshan> delete line 224
[23:35:59] <zeeshan> and change linme 223 to
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[23:36:06] <PetefromTn_> I am kinda concerned that the hal has a lot of crap in it now...LOL
[23:36:10] <zeeshan> setp scale.spindle.gain 0.066666667
[23:36:40] <zeeshan> nah man
[23:36:48] <zeeshan> i've noticed while going through your hal
[23:36:57] <zeeshan> you have a lot of signals that dont even get used
[23:37:29] <zeeshan> anyway, once you do that modification to the hal
[23:37:40] <zeeshan> and so m3 s100
[23:37:44] <zeeshan> the spindle should run close to 100 rpm.
[23:39:07] <PetefromTn_> okay works..
[23:39:16] <PetefromTn_> 100 is 99.8
[23:39:30] <zeeshan> close enough :P{
[23:39:41] <PetefromTn_> yeah LOL..
[23:39:51] <zeeshan> i'd put 1/15 instead of 0.0666667
[23:39:57] <zeeshan> but chances are hal won't understand it.
[23:40:27] <PetefromTn_> okay..
[23:40:42] <PetefromTn_> still don't have reverse button LOL...
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[23:41:51] <zeeshan> try uncommenting out line 254: #net spindle-ccw <= motion.spindle-reverse
[23:41:52] <PetefromTn_> zeeshan what signals are not being used? We have some stuff for the toolchanger setup yet not implemented like the low air pressure sensor and the ram pneumatic for the tool carousel in and out..
[23:42:07] <zeeshan> lines 256-260
[23:42:11] <zeeshan> are not being used from what i can tell.
[23:44:01] <PetefromTn_> okay that made error... Signal 'spindle-ccw' can not add OUT pin 'motion.spindle-forward' it already has OUT pin 'motion.spindle-reverse'
[23:44:45] <PetefromTn_> that line says it is tied to the 5i25/7i77
[23:46:43] <zeeshan> my bad
[23:46:49] <zeeshan> comment that back.
[23:47:17] <zeeshan> try uncommenting 251
[23:47:20] <zeeshan> and see what happens
[23:47:26] <zeeshan> actually
[23:47:26] <zeeshan> nm
[23:47:29] <zeeshan> thats not gonna do anything.
[23:47:40] <zeeshan> honestly im not sure how we're gonna get this to work.
[23:47:47] <zeeshan> on my driver, i have a pin called "Forward"
[23:47:50] <zeeshan> and a pin called reverse
[23:47:52] <PetefromTn_> should 250 be motion.spindle.forward>
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[23:48:31] <zeeshan> not sure =/
[23:48:41] <zeeshan> change it back to how it was :P
[23:48:50] <zeeshan> now it''s upto connor :)
[23:49:04] <zeeshan> your driver im pretty sure needs another pin in it called "forward"
[23:49:06] <PetefromTn_> to how what was...
[23:49:19] <zeeshan> 19:41:53] <zeeshan> try uncommenting out line 254: #net spindle-ccw <= motion.spindle-reverse
[23:49:23] <zeeshan> line 254
[23:49:28] <zeeshan> put a # back.
[23:49:37] <PetefromTn_> okay already did that..
[23:49:44] <zeeshan> rerun linuxcnc to make sure it works
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[23:50:54] <PetefromTn_> Okay man it is working..
[23:52:38] <PetefromTn_> nice.. s1000 is 999.8...
[23:54:37] <PetefromTn_> Almost there, Got spindle control fwd,reverse, accurate speed control... this is looking good man!! Excited to be able to remove the 0-10v stuff here once it is fully configured.
[23:56:36] <PetefromTn_> jeez man gotta shut down here for a minute to reset my wireless router. BRB...
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