#linuxcnc | Logs for 2014-01-18

[00:00:53] <Loetmichel> andypugh: sounds equally frightening
[00:01:00] <andypugh> One of the bunkers here does explosively-driven hopkinson bar tests: http://goo.gl/maps/zZICC
[00:01:29] <Loetmichel> i made the error of moving a few mm to far with the table once... ( problem with setting the soft limits)
[00:01:40] <zeeshan|2> man
[00:01:47] <zeeshan|2> i thought all of uk was just a large city
[00:01:58] <zeeshan|2> but it's amazing how much greenery you have there
[00:02:16] <andypugh> And if you look around the site you will see two parallel railway tracks where they run heavy cars and put samples between trucks running in different directions.
[00:02:42] <Loetmichel> ... the mechanical endstop made of a 500gr lump of steel and bolted down with two m8 screws in 12.9 had made a dent in the brick wall 20m across the room ;-)
[00:03:51] <andypugh> Given that it takes a couple of acres to feed a human for a season the world will always be argely green.
[00:04:04] <zeeshan|2> im researching viscoelastic polymer and metal interaction ;D
[00:04:13] <zeeshan|2> no explosive testing here :[
[00:04:45] <andypugh> Yeah, that was my field. I was developing materials models for FE code to simulate crash tests
[00:04:48] <Loetmichel> zeeshan|2: what do you think of germany?
[00:05:06] <Loetmichel> its even denser in population tan GB...
[00:05:13] <zeeshan|2> war damaged houses everywhere
[00:05:25] <Loetmichel> and still we have at least 80% woods ;)
[00:05:31] <andypugh> Is it? Certainly the French have more room than us
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[00:05:42] <Loetmichel> zeeshan|2: remember when the war was...
[00:05:43] <zeeshan|2> with a highly distributed top of the line precision facilities surrounding the war damaged houses
[00:05:45] <zeeshan|2> =-)
[00:05:51] <Loetmichel> there are no damaged hosues left ;-)
[00:06:04] <zeeshan|2> Loetmichel: what do you think of canada?
[00:06:12] <andypugh> zeeshan|2: I think they fixed the war damage by now.
[00:06:16] <Loetmichel> its nice what i hear from my wife
[00:06:44] <zeeshan|2> BS!, i went to germany when they broke the berlin wall
[00:06:45] <andypugh> I was meant to be in Canada next month. It looks cold and empty.
[00:06:47] <Loetmichel> a few big citys on the east/west/south border, rest wilderness.
[00:07:03] <zeeshan|2> i was a kid there
[00:07:06] <zeeshan|2> *then
[00:07:15] <zeeshan|2> andypugh: it's beautiful
[00:07:15] <zeeshan|2> :]
[00:07:29] <zeeshan|2> i have a piece of the berlin wall in my collection
[00:07:30] <andypugh> I was heading for Thomson, Manitoba. That is cold and empty in February
[00:07:45] <Loetmichel> zeeshan|2: i was in berlin as the borders opened
[00:07:48] <zeeshan|2> andypugh: i think when people refer to "hell freezes over"
[00:07:52] <zeeshan|2> they were living in manitoba
[00:07:55] <Loetmichel> ... in a west german navvy uniform...
[00:08:03] <zeeshan|2> Loetmichel: hehe
[00:08:18] <zeeshan|2> i came a couple days after
[00:08:24] <zeeshan|2> and collected pieces of the wall
[00:08:25] <zeeshan|2> :)
[00:08:26] <Loetmichel> had holydays from the navvy and decided to meed a girlfriend in berlin.
[00:08:44] <andypugh> Yeah, I am not sorry to have missed out on those two weeks of driving a car in -40(C/F) temps and not being allowed to use the heater.
[00:08:51] <Loetmichel> you should have seen the customs officer checking tha passports in the train seeing my uniform ;-)
[00:09:11] <zeeshan|2> what i like about canada is it's multicultural
[00:09:24] <zeeshan|2> you can eat some arabic food, chinese food, indian food, mexican food
[00:09:27] <Loetmichel> my wife likes the polite and friendly ppl
[00:09:30] <zeeshan|2> =D
[00:09:35] <zeeshan|2> its everywhere
[00:09:46] <zeeshan|2> and then if you're hiker type of person like me
[00:09:52] <zeeshan|2> and like prospecting minerals
[00:09:57] <zeeshan|2> there's tons of spots.
[00:10:16] <andypugh> Remarkably, Lonely Planet put my home region high on the list of places to visit.
[00:10:30] <Loetmichel> Vancouver is like NY in friendly and polite she said once
[00:10:40] <andypugh> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-24713858
[00:11:12] <andypugh> And that seems odd, as we prie ourselves on being rude to strangers, albeit in an inpenetrable accent.
[00:11:53] <Loetmichel> andypugh: wounlnt help with my wife
[00:11:56] <zeeshan|2> english are some of the rudest!
[00:11:57] <zeeshan|2> :]
[00:12:13] <zeeshan|2> but at the same time, they have very proper ways.
[00:12:22] <andypugh> We do try, but that is one area where the French tend to best us :-)
[00:12:24] <Loetmichel> she fancies herself to have no accent (or a fake one on will)
[00:12:27] <zeeshan|2> for example, you pass on the left when walking on a walkway
[00:12:34] <zeeshan|2> here people walk everywhere
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[00:13:01] <Loetmichel> the engllish are putting her to australia, the americans to ireland but nooone ever guessed germany ;-)
[00:13:30] <andypugh> Joking apart, if I had infinite money I probably would still choose to live in Yorkshire.
[00:13:51] <Loetmichel> is that where the proverbial pudding comes from?
[00:13:54] <Loetmichel> ;-)
[00:13:59] <andypugh> Inded.
[00:14:25] <Loetmichel> ...which is more like a noodle in form of a cace iirc ;-)
[00:14:28] <Loetmichel> cake
[00:15:18] <andypugh> My friend Nina is the same, folk guess Aus, Ireland, the US. She's from Hannover, but he boyfriends have been from Aus, Ireland, the US.
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[00:16:13] <andypugh> Yorshire Pudding is more aerated than a noodle. It's more a hard pancake.
[00:16:57] <andypugh> You have to differntiate between the material and the form
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[00:17:31] <Loetmichel> my wife has studied german and english at the universty
[00:17:48] <Loetmichel> she is certified teacher for the college
[00:18:07] <Loetmichel> mybe that helped wth the language skills ;-)
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[00:18:57] <Loetmichel> ok, more areated makes sense
[00:19:10] <Loetmichel> but i meant the ingrediens of the dough
[00:19:50] <andypugh> http://theordinarycook.co.uk/2009/12/18/swaddled-toad-in-the-hole/ is based on the batter, but the traditional form is http://kitchenneeds.com.au/files/2013/03/yorkshire-puddings.jpg served with roast beef and lots of gravy. But http://www.lovefood.com/images/content/body/gary-kingshott-sweet-yorkshire-pud-294x196.jpg with jam and ice-cream is also perfectly OK.
[00:19:52] <Loetmichel> i've only eaten it once, and that was in the outskirts of londong, 30 years ago at a "bed and breakfeast" family
[00:20:29] <Loetmichel> london
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[00:20:58] <Loetmichel> so it was maybe not so close to the "original" it could have been ;)
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[01:49:57] <dmz_> hello ppl
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[01:57:29] <dmz_> Anyone got experience with scr drives
[01:59:26] <dmz_> I have a lathe with a 40hp dc motor and scr drive ran by a vax
[02:00:32] <dmz_> It would be sweet if I could replace everything up to the scrs
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[02:03:57] <andypugh> What input do the SCRs need?
[02:04:13] <andypugh> And a Vax? Blimey!
[02:04:58] <andypugh> There might be folk who would swap your Vax for a drive :-)
[02:05:41] <andypugh> Can you scope the SCR PWM frequency?
[02:06:04] <andypugh> If it's 20kHz then a parallel port might do it.
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[02:14:30] <dmz_> ive never had the vax going
[02:18:33] <andypugh> Have you tried? Don't disregard that if the machine has the same job to do as when it was built, then it can still do the job.
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[02:20:34] <andypugh> I work for a significantly large car manufacturer. Until last year we were still running dynamometers controlled by PDP11s, because the job was the same, and they still did the job,
[02:21:08] <dmz_> I have the os on tape
[02:21:26] <dmz_> haven't tried to load it
[02:21:32] <andypugh> They were replaced when the dyno's needed to run dynamic tests.
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[02:22:17] <andypugh> But, yes, if you want an SCR drive, there is a wa
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[02:22:29] <andypugh> ..y to do it with LinuxCNC
[02:22:41] <dmz_> hmm
[02:22:49] <uw> do you have more info on the VAX?
[02:23:31] <andypugh> Yeah, driving your SCRs is boring, but your old Vax is interesting :-)
[02:23:48] <dmz_> Not much it's from 1980 in a Giddings and lewis lathe
[02:24:59] <dmz_> I read somewhere its 32 bit. pretty good for something that old
[02:25:35] <andypugh> It would be enormous fun to port LinuxCNC to that!
[02:26:09] <dmz_> I dont think it has much ram
[02:26:26] <andypugh> Pay me my current salary for two years and I will see what I can do :-)
[02:26:39] <dmz_> 256k maybe
[02:26:57] <dmz_> hah
[02:27:38] <andypugh> If thats RAM, it would be hard, if that was a $ offer, I start Feb 1
[02:27:53] <andypugh> :-)
[02:28:16] <dmz_> old stuff can be neat but new stuff is tons more user friendly
[02:28:48] <dmz_> if I could pay that I'd buy a new lathe hah
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[02:29:01] <andypugh> What's the bis in the VAX>
[02:29:22] <andypugh> Sorry, let me spelll that correctly.
[02:29:28] <dmz_> bis?
[02:29:44] <andypugh> What is the bus of the IO cards in the VAX?
[02:29:57] <dmz_> No idea
[02:31:06] <andypugh> It is potentially easier to swap the motherboard, keep the cards and write drivers.
[02:31:28] <jdh> I have lots of VAXen still running (and a few pdp11s)
[02:31:35] <andypugh> Writing kernel drivers is really easy.
[02:32:17] <andypugh> (It's a hard sort of easy, there is not a lot you can do, so not a lot to learn)
[02:32:33] <dmz_> What kinda motherboard might work
[02:32:39] <jdh> none
[02:33:15] <andypugh> Depends on the Vax, and if it overlaps a PC for bus spec
[02:33:20] <jdh> it doesn't
[02:35:12] <andypugh> OK, so we need to move out to the "0 to 5v" interface level?
[02:35:31] <dmz_> from what I remember its 10-12 boards with about 1ft wide edge card connectors on the back
[02:35:45] <dmz_> plugged into a backplane
[02:36:04] <jdh> soundsd like a BA-123 case and Q-BUS
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[02:36:20] <dmz_> runs off a 75amp 5v supply
[02:36:33] <andypugh> This is history, one day it will be worth hundreds of dollars,
[02:36:41] <andypugh> :-)
[02:36:53] <jdh> or tens anyway
[02:36:58] <Tom_itx> maybe in a museum
[02:37:41] <andypugh> It's 10s now, Hundreds in 20 years. 1000 years, millions
[02:37:55] <Tom_itx> VAXBI buss
[02:37:58] <andypugh> I meant 100 years
[02:38:02] <dmz_> its hard finding any parts for stuff that old
[02:38:15] <jdh> nah, I still have vendors for parts
[02:38:20] <Tom_itx> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VAXBI
[02:38:24] <dmz_> I have a mill with fanuc 5m control I got working
[02:38:37] <dmz_> That was hard enough
[02:38:44] <andypugh> When Ford were running PDPs we had a man with an eBay account
[02:39:14] <jdh> there were very few BI bus machines. tons of Q-BUS
[02:39:46] <Tom_itx> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unibus
[02:40:02] <jdh> unibus was pdp11
[02:40:13] <jdh> later pdps were qbus
[02:40:28] <dmz_> I dropped a flashlight on the fanuc board and busted a ceramic memory ic. cost $20 for the one chip when I finally found it
[02:40:33] <andypugh> Anyway, the Vax is no goof to you, but is is probably less than % of all of them that were made. It's not usable, but please dont't throw it away.
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[02:40:58] <dmz_> and it was something like 128 bytes of mem
[02:42:10] <andypugh> I come to this from the other end. My hobby is 100 year old commercial vehicles. And we bless folk who just didn't actually get round to throwing stuff away,
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[02:42:35] <Tom_itx> there was some guys in the Twin Cities Robotics Group that had an arm that used VAX
[02:44:04] <andypugh> A friend of mine found a 1908 chassis under house a few years ago, and pulled it out. It was a truck, then a caravan, then a shed then a summer house, then a house, then a big hiuse with one room bizarrely high....
[02:46:42] <uw> i was like that too, never throwing stuff away
[02:46:47] <uw> but then you get too much stuff
[02:46:49] <uw> all this stuff
[02:46:55] <dmz_> yep..
[02:47:15] <R2E4_> I cant get the classicladder to cooperate. It wont listen to me.
[02:47:39] <Tom_itx> err maybe it wasn't VAX controlled... http://www.sampson-jeff.com/rsoh/030422/
[02:49:42] <jdh> there were several commercial control systems based on VAXen but you wouldn't know it unless you looked inside (ie. Provox)
[02:50:05] <Tom_itx> meh, sry these were CRAY: http://www.sampson-jeff.com/rsoh/020208/
[02:56:56] <R2E4_> I'm trying to get a relay to follow machine-is-on This doesn't work inhal. net MIO-follow hm_25i25.0.7i77.0.0.output-05 machine-is-on
[02:58:47] <R2E4_> output-05 is suppose to follow machine is on no? I am getting 'machine-is-on' does not exist
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[03:01:32] <Tom_itx> machine.is-on
[03:01:46] <Tom_itx> halui.machine.is-on iirc
[03:02:03] <Tom_itx> i'm using it
[03:04:17] <Tom_itx> is true when the machine comes out of ESTOP
[03:04:33] <RyanS> andypugh: I read a quote that was something like "there is no bigger hoarder of stuff than a farmer with a welder" I guess they have lots of room to leave the junk
[03:05:12] <R2E4_> I need it true when the pushbutton on in axis is on
[03:06:44] <andypugh> Yeah. If you have a farm and see a double-decker bus you like, you can have it. If you want to build a car-throwing trebuchet, then you can.....
[03:07:14] <RyanS> A catapult?
[03:07:18] <R2E4_> When I use halui.machine.is-on I get allready linked to machine-is-on and when I use machine-is-on I getr 'machine-is-on' does not exist
[03:08:24] <andypugh> R2E4: Yes, that is all possible. You need to learn HAL.
[03:08:43] <R2E4_> thats what I am trying to do..lol
[03:08:44] <skunkworks> your flailing again...
[03:09:11] <andypugh> Specifically that signals are your choice and pins are not
[03:10:06] <R2E4_> I had it working at the shop last week....
[03:10:15] <R2E4_> at work rather
[03:10:28] <andypugh> machine-is-on is a signal (you could call it "Lucy"
[03:10:58] <andypugh> because thats a signal that yiu creared
[03:11:09] <jdh> perhaps lucy-is-on would be better.
[03:11:36] <pcw_home> crearly better
[03:12:23] <andypugh> Ah, whatever, read the docs, its 3am and +1 bottles of wine
[03:12:25] <RyanS> I was watching videos of propane potato guns... made of PVC...PVC! gas, pressure, plastic, explosion. It seems close to being Darwin award material
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[03:12:55] <dmz_> I've never seen one blow up
[03:13:20] <RyanS> That's because the person is dead and can't post a video
[03:14:09] <RyanS> At least use steel pipe and even then
[03:15:44] <dmz_> I read some were the peak pressure is pretty low. like 25 psi
[03:15:56] <R2E4_> sorry to say it but the docs are not that clear.
[03:16:57] <RyanS> yeah but what's the temperature of the explosion
[03:17:53] <dmz_> doesn't last long enough to heat up the plastic much
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[03:19:37] <pcw_home> R2E4: I think of signals as wires with pins being the endpoints so you need a wire to connect pins
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[03:25:38] <R2E4_> net Power-Switch hm2_5i25.0.7i77.0.0.input-00 classicladder.0.in-00
[03:26:12] <R2E4_> the signal with a pin connected to it represented in CL. that seems to work
[03:26:29] <pcw_home> yeah
[03:26:30] <pcw_home>
[03:27:04] <R2E4_> the output on the rung I want to me halui.machine.is-on
[03:28:12] <R2E4_> the problems when I try to connect an output to machine-is-on signal
[03:28:42] <R2E4_> cant use halui.machine.is-on cause machine-is-on is connected to it
[03:32:52] <pcw_home> net machine_is_on halui.machine.is-on hm2_5i25.0.7i77.0.0.output-05
[03:32:53] <pcw_home> should work
[03:33:10] <pcw_home> for example
[03:33:44] <pcw_home> halui.machine.is-on is an output and can drive any number of inputs
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[03:37:07] <pcw_home> you just cant connect two outputs to the same signal
[03:37:45] <R2E4_> Can I use a signal to represent an output in classicladder?
[03:38:45] <R2E4_> haha, well, that answer is no.
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[03:57:03] <pcw_home> classic ladder pins are no different than any other pins
[03:57:43] <pcw_home> (but you do have to be aware of the directions of the pins)
[03:57:55] <pcw_home> (and types of course)
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[04:05:19] <Jymmm> safety, bobby, push, prick, and needles,
[04:08:35] <Tom_itx> glad i re read that
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[04:59:34] <R2E4_> IT is working.... WOW, that was painful.
[05:04:22] <R2E4_> I used net Power-On hm2_5i25.0.7i77.0.0.input-12 halui.machine.off
[05:05:03] <R2E4_> Power-Off hm2_5i25.0.7i77.0.0.input-00 halui.machine.off
[05:05:35] <R2E4_> and net machine-is-on hm2_5i25.0.7i77.0.0.output-00
[05:06:07] <R2E4_> Power-On line should have read halui.machine.on
[05:08:02] <R2E4_> The only thing is on, takes 1 second for the relay to fire. Power off shuts it off right away.... Is that normal?
[05:09:07] <Tom_itx> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=geMHGydIvqI
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[07:28:37] <lwizardl> hello I just started to take apart a few old inkjet printers and was wondering if these motors could be useful in building a raprap. RK-370CA-14420 & RS-385SH-14180
[07:29:24] <lwizardl> or cnc machine
[07:32:05] <eric_unterhausen> those are both very cheap dc motors
[07:32:21] <eric_unterhausen> so not useful for cnc
[07:32:50] <eric_unterhausen> did the printer have a linear encoder?
[07:33:16] <lwizardl> that was what I thought, I did a few google searches and and those motors seem to be about $5 each.
[07:33:39] <lwizardl> eric_unterhausen: not sure what that is, I can check if you can tell me how :)
[07:34:08] <eric_unterhausen> I don't think it's useful, it's usually a piece of clear plastic ribbon the width of the rollers
[07:34:28] <eric_unterhausen> just curious how they used a dc motor without feedback
[07:34:58] <lwizardl> yeah it has that transparnt strip
[07:35:20] <lwizardl> above the belt and roller
[07:36:11] <lwizardl> looks like it says c8v-146
[07:36:23] <eric_unterhausen> there probably is a cheap rotary encoder on one of the rollers
[07:36:33] <lwizardl> it is held in place by a spring
[07:36:57] <eric_unterhausen> at one time I thought that those could be useful
[07:38:00] <lwizardl> I haven't got it fully part yet, seen the motors had to clean off some grease from them to read the part numbers and went to check google and here
[07:39:00] <lwizardl> not my site/pictures but this is the same model printer i have http://breakingyard.blogspot.com/2008/07/lexmark-z1300-printer.html
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[07:43:19] <Deejay> moin
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[08:31:37] <Loetmichel> mornin'
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[16:47:41] <jthornton> pretty chatty today in here
[16:48:38] <Tom_itx> nice sunny day
[16:49:20] <archivist> I am cutting spastic gears
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[17:31:43] <skunkworks> Before I left I read it as plastic gears
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[17:33:52] <IchGuckLive> hi all B)
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[17:34:10] <IchGuckLive> what a great weather here in germany today
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[17:40:54] <IchGuckLive> hi MacGalempsy
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[17:51:14] <IchGuckLive> pcw_home: mesa is gread today 2 more plasmas on the boards
[17:55:36] <IchGuckLive> 30min at 7.5m/min 300in/min no failure in steps gauge got 0.03mm off steppers 8Nm 75V leadshine 880a
[17:58:17] <kengu> coolio
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[18:00:08] <archivist> skunkworks, they are plastic but the furries after cutting annoy me
[18:00:48] <archivist> just cut the fur off two gears, two more to do later
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[18:07:42] <IchGuckLive> im off BYE it has beebn a long day
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[18:07:58] <Loetmichel> archivist:f furries like these? -> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=14547
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[18:08:09] <Loetmichel> (beside the steploss in y )
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[18:09:12] <CaptHindsight> how often do they shed or molt?
[18:11:08] <Loetmichel> CaptHindsight: these are really little
[18:11:25] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=14550
[18:11:53] <Loetmichel> its module 0,5m 3mm thic POM
[18:12:10] <Loetmichel> -m
[18:12:11] <CaptHindsight> machined?
[18:12:19] <Loetmichel> milled from top
[18:12:33] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=14544
[18:21:34] <archivist> furries like these from a job a couple of years ago http://gears.archivist.info/gears/fan_gears.html
[18:22:11] <archivist> nylon probably
[18:37:17] <Loetmichel> archivist: nice stuff
[18:37:40] <Loetmichel> but the furries are gone after a bit of (metal) brushing. thats not much work
[18:38:19] <archivist> those were easy to defur todays are 53 teeth .5 mod
[18:38:36] <Loetmichel> archivist: so like the ones i showed, just more teeth ;-)
[18:38:37] <archivist> wire brush wrecks the teeth too
[18:38:56] <archivist> no not like yours, I use a proper cutter
[18:39:12] <Loetmichel> (mine are 5,6,8 and 10 teeth
[18:39:30] <Loetmichel> the cutter is ok, just the machine is loosing steps on y
[18:39:43] <Loetmichel> it seems there is a coupling gone bad
[18:40:55] <Loetmichel> repaired the one from y a year ago, now the y axis is starting to slip, same syptoms as last time
[18:40:56] <Loetmichel> last time this was the problem: http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=12564&g2_serialNumber=2
[18:40:56] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=12566 <- fix
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[18:41:06] <Loetmichel> repaired the one from x i meant
[18:41:26] <archivist> I make a stick of disks and cut the batch in one, then drill and part
[18:41:58] <Loetmichel> you cut them on a rotary table with a disc module cutter, dont you?
[18:43:03] <archivist> I have for these
[18:43:55] <archivist> the 5 axis should have hobbing soon as well
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[18:47:22] <zeeshan|2> anyone use a carbide 3" long end mill before
[18:47:25] <zeeshan|2> 1/16" diameter
[18:49:29] <jdh> sounds flexy
[18:49:30] <zeeshan|2> yea, i've never used something that small before
[18:49:30] <zeeshan|2> i have a round piece of 1018 mild steel
[18:49:30] <zeeshan|2> 2.5" in diameter. solid.
[18:49:52] <zeeshan|2> i need to make .25 wide from the 0 degree face
[18:50:03] <zeeshan|2> and .25 slot from the 90 degree face, so both the slots meet at the center of the round stock
[18:50:14] <zeeshan|2> feels like the bit will break :P
[18:50:26] <archivist> feel/will
[18:50:46] <archivist> use a slitting saw
[18:51:01] <zeeshan|2> won't work
[18:51:07] <zeeshan|2> i'll just post the geometry
[18:51:11] <zeeshan|2> sec.
[18:53:43] <zeeshan|2> hm actually i can get away with 1/8" end mill.
[18:54:23] <archivist> still a silly diameter/length ratio
[18:56:51] <zeeshan|2> it's what the application needs
[18:56:54] <zeeshan|2> so it's far from silly
[18:57:53] <zeeshan|2> archivist: have you used 1/8 or 1/16 end mills before?
[18:57:53] <archivist> I mean for the endmill
[18:57:53] <zeeshan|2> i haven't used a 1/16, but i have used a 1/8
[18:58:04] <zeeshan|2> might work if i keep the rpm at 10k and depth of cut slow and use a ramp cut profile in mastercam
[18:58:27] <zeeshan|2> just need a very rigid machine
[18:59:03] <archivist> the tooling will bend machine wont notice or control it
[18:59:24] <syyl_ws> a 3" long 1/8 inch endmill?
[18:59:25] <jdh> I've used 1/8" in aluminum. Broke a few.
[19:00:10] <archivist> there are some tapered endmills for deep work
[19:00:13] <syyl_ws> i have 1/16 endmills that are almost 2" long
[19:00:19] <syyl_ws> for steel (even hardened)
[19:00:37] <syyl_ws> but using them is no fun
[19:00:37] <zeeshan|2> i just remeasured the slot, its exactly 1.00 deep in both directions
[19:00:38] <archivist> but at that depth, EDM
[19:00:39] <zeeshan|2> so i can use a smaller length end mill
[19:00:58] <jdh> I have a 1" cut 1/8" 4-flute carbide. Only used it in acrylic though
[19:01:12] <zeeshan|2> 4 flut isnt good for pluging
[19:01:14] <zeeshan|2> *plunging
[19:01:29] <jdh> ramp plunge
[19:01:34] <zeeshan|2> thats fine then :P
[19:01:47] <zeeshan|2> i can definitely use a ramp plunge for this too since its a slot
[19:01:50] <zeeshan|2> and not a circule
[19:02:23] <zeeshan|2> http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p252/turbozee84/feature_zps4ed6d962.png
[19:02:25] <zeeshan|2> here it is
[19:02:43] <zeeshan|2> .25 diameter x .25" long slot x 1" deep
[19:02:46] <syyl_ws> thats sink edm work
[19:02:49] <zeeshan|2> meeting at 90 degrees
[19:03:05] <syyl_ws> or make it from two pieces
[19:03:20] <zeeshan|2> i was thinking of making it from two pieces
[19:03:27] <zeeshan|2> but then i'd have to worry about sealing the two pieces
[19:03:41] <zeeshan|2> this disc you see is rotating in a valve
[19:03:41] <syyl_ws> steel?
[19:03:47] <syyl_ws> silver solder on full surface?
[19:03:50] <zeeshan|2> and its carrying 600psi,600c steam
[19:04:14] <jdh> why does it need to be 90 degrees
[19:04:22] <zeeshan|2> the outside of this disc has to be 1.625 -0.001" in tolerance
[19:04:25] <jdh> or that geometry
[19:04:25] <archivist> edm and you can curve the hole
[19:04:31] <zeeshan|2> jdh because of the timing
[19:04:38] <syyl_ws> i vote for hanging the engineer on the next tree
[19:04:54] <zeeshan|2> syyl_ws: i am the engineer
[19:04:59] <syyl_ws> bad luck ;)
[19:05:06] <zeeshan|2> you don't know the entire application, so why make comments like that?
[19:05:15] * archivist gets the rusty nails ready
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[19:05:37] <archivist> design for manufacture
[19:05:41] <zeeshan|2> i've shown it to 2 machinists and 1 other engineer
[19:05:45] <zeeshan|2> they say it's possible
[19:05:49] <zeeshan|2> but they're not machining it, i am
[19:05:50] <zeeshan|2> lol
[19:05:57] <jdh> anything is possible
[19:06:05] <zeeshan|2> i need to order some carbide end mills, which take a week to come in
[19:06:07] <syyl_ws> there are so much egineers out that draw parts that can only be manufactured with an horrible amount time
[19:06:09] <zeeshan|2> so i gotta order the right quantity :P
[19:06:53] <archivist> drill the bulk out and use a slotter
[19:07:01] <syyl_ws> thats retro :D
[19:07:15] <jdh> broach?
[19:07:21] <archivist> drill and broach then
[19:07:21] <syyl_ws> in a blind hole?
[19:07:24] <syyl_ws> naah
[19:07:30] <syyl_ws> still sink edm
[19:07:31] <syyl_ws> :D
[19:07:34] <zeeshan|2> i have access to edm
[19:07:36] <zeeshan|2> but then i'd need to make an electrode
[19:07:43] <zeeshan|2> so i'm avoiding that
[19:07:47] <syyl_ws> the electrode for that si a piece of cake Oo
[19:07:50] <archivist> but get the bulk out with a drill and edm is best
[19:07:51] <zeeshan|2> i'd like to do this on the 4 axis
[19:08:06] <zeeshan|2> so i can use a nice curvey tool path
[19:08:13] <archivist> but the port shape is terrible for steam
[19:08:44] <archivist> a 5 axis edm is the best possible
[19:09:11] <syyl_ws> lost wax casting ;)
[19:09:24] <archivist> that is cheating
[19:09:30] <syyl_ws> but done ;)
[19:09:47] <zeeshan|2> lol at lost wax casting
[19:09:47] <zeeshan|2> that would be nice
[19:09:50] <archivist> all easier than milling
[19:10:03] <zeeshan|2> screw you guys!
[19:10:05] <zeeshan|2> im gonna just order 3 end mills
[19:10:07] <syyl_ws> make that 30
[19:10:08] <zeeshan|2> and go at it , i just gotta make 2 of these
[19:10:12] <archivist> 3 gross of
[19:15:32] <zeeshan|2> i'll report back on this in 1.5 weeks
[19:15:32] <zeeshan|2> :)
[19:15:32] <syyl_ws> you will get horrible wall finish and even more horrible machining times
[19:15:33] <syyl_ws> but what do i know ;)
[19:15:33] <zeeshan|2> wall finish isn't a problem
[19:15:33] <zeeshan|2> at this moment, i just need to get steam through this port
[19:15:33] <archivist> it is for steam
[19:15:33] <zeeshan|2> that is all
[19:15:33] <archivist> I have seen steam damage :)
[19:15:34] <syyl_ws> and why cant you change to round ports and drill/ream em?
[19:15:35] <pcw_home> That seems much easier
[19:15:35] <syyl_ws> can be done on a drillpress ;)
[19:15:35] <zeeshan|2> cause, this disc is spinning
[19:15:35] <zeeshan|2> the length of the slot determines the steam injection duration
[19:15:36] <archivist> larger diameter then to set timing
[19:15:36] <zeeshan|2> that might work for intake
[19:15:36] <zeeshan|2> but not for exhaust
[19:15:36] <zeeshan|2> the exhaust is open for 90 degrees roughly.
[19:15:36] <zeeshan|2> i haven't worked on the exhaust yet though :P
[19:15:36] <archivist> dont have to be the same size holes
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[20:32:41] <zeeshan|2> http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p252/turbozee84/drillslot_zps84eb227c.png
[20:32:41] <zeeshan|2> i think ill connect the slots like that
[20:32:41] <zeeshan|2> and plug the one end with a npt 1/8 plug
[20:32:41] <zeeshan|2> :P
[20:32:42] <archivist> nuts
[20:32:42] <archivist> just two round drilled holes
[20:32:42] <zeeshan|2> then ill need 2 plugs
[20:32:42] <jdh> instead of the slots
[20:32:42] <zeeshan|2> i've done this sort of thing on a stainless steel mold before
[20:32:42] <archivist> no plugs needed
[20:32:42] <zeeshan|2> for cooling slots
[20:32:42] <zeeshan|2> two round drilled holes where?
[20:32:43] <archivist> at 90
[20:32:43] <zeeshan|2> cant do that
[20:32:43] <zeeshan|2> itll mess up the timing
[20:32:43] <archivist> or whatever phase to suit
[20:32:43] <zeeshan|2> http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p252/turbozee84/timing_shaft_zps6c8f0fa0.png
[20:32:43] <zeeshan|2> thats how the whole piece looks like
[20:32:43] <zeeshan|2> to get a better idea
[20:32:43] <zeeshan|2> i still gotta fillet the ends of the exhaust slots
[20:32:43] <zeeshan|2> those will be easy to do
[20:32:43] <archivist> try to get the need for rectangular lots out of ones thoughts
[20:33:41] <zeeshan|2> http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p252/turbozee84/timing_shaft2_zps98daab7d.png
[20:33:41] <zeeshan|2> better pic
[20:34:00] <zeeshan|2> the exhaust slots are easy
[20:34:10] <zeeshan|2> i mount the round stock onto a rotary table on the mill, use a .375" end mill and do a couple of depth of cuts ;p
[20:38:47] <zeeshan|2> fak i forgot an o-ring groove
[20:38:48] <Jymmm> zeeshan|2: grab a file =)
[20:38:48] <archivist> I hate photobukket by the way I see the image for .2 of a second then it goes to a white screen
[20:38:49] <zeeshan|2> got a better image host? :D
[20:39:12] <zeeshan|2> i like photobucket cause i can upload from the phone too through an app
[20:39:12] <zeeshan|2> in 2 clicks
[20:39:13] <archivist> http://www.collection.archivist.info/archive/grabs/Screenshot-2.png
[20:39:13] <zeeshan|2> linux linux :)
[20:39:13] <archivist> I self host :)
[20:39:14] <zeeshan|2> the only thing i run linux for is linuxcnc
[20:39:14] <zeeshan|2> or router :)
[20:39:14] <zeeshan|2> can't run siemens plm nx, autodesk inventor, autocad, solidworks, mastercam
[20:39:14] <zeeshan|2> :{
[20:39:14] <zeeshan|2> though it can handle ansys a lot better than windows can
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[21:01:50] <eric_unterhausen> I started running linux on my home desktop when Steve Ballmer said that all his customers were stealing from him.
[21:03:07] <eric_unterhausen> fair's fair, msft is in the habit of stealing from customers
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[21:08:01] <uw> yea i hate those emails too
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[21:27:44] <giacus> hello
[21:30:19] <giacus> are U alive ? :)
[21:30:44] <zeeshan|2> no
[21:31:02] <giacus> cool :D
[21:31:16] <Deejay> zombie alert! ;)
[21:33:56] <CaptHindsight> cue the netsplit music
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[21:36:53] <giacus> I'm planning to build a new terminator, does anyone know a connor here around ?
[21:37:12] <giacus> i'm looking for john connor
[21:38:09] <kengu> have you seen that boy
[21:42:01] * giacus now scanning..
[21:42:36] <giacus> found a connor on te right side!
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[21:47:45] <giacus> oops missing the name, the captain of the resitance is john kasunich
[21:48:00] <giacus> is here around ?
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[21:49:39] <skunkworks> thank goodness it isn't sara connor..
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[21:49:48] <giacus> mmmhhh
[21:50:02] <Connor> Okay.. stop saying my name.. it beeps me everytime you do.
[21:51:54] <giacus> Hi Connor , sorry, you choosed a cool name
[21:52:31] <giacus> right now you are on my target
[21:52:48] * giacus reload the water gun
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[21:53:12] <Loetmichel> giacus: may not for long if Jymmm wakes up ;-)
[21:53:15] <heathmanc> just got the spindle mounted to the taig, world of different
[21:53:31] <heathmanc> difference even. was able to take a .060doc at 25ipm
[21:53:43] <heathmanc> which is awesome for this little taig
[21:54:33] <heathmanc> didn't even break a sweat, sure i could have gone deeper
[21:54:45] <heathmanc> now, just need to figure out how to control the spindle with linuxcnc
[21:55:16] <Loetmichel> taig is the size of a hbm20 isnt it?
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[22:01:36] <heathmanc_> is it possible to do it with a 7i48, since it has +-10VDC, when the vfd expects 0-10
[22:03:25] <Deejay> gn8
[22:03:27] <eric_unterhausen> I guess I can filter the lcnc forum messages to the trash
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