#linuxcnc | Logs for 2014-01-05

[00:00:11] <R2E4__> PLC http://irmtl.com/LinuxCNC/VM40/PLC/IMG_0388.JPG http://irmtl.com/LinuxCNC/VM40/PLC/IMG_0395.JPG http://irmtl.com/LinuxCNC/VM40/PLC/IMG_0410.JPG
[00:00:46] <R2E4__> Inside cabinet... http://irmtl.com/LinuxCNC/VM40/Control%20Cabinbet/cab1.JPG
[00:01:26] <R2E4__> All the pics I took today are here. http://irmtl.com/LinuxCNC/VM40/ Been working oncleaning it.
[00:03:48] <eric_unterhausen> I think I see two lube/hydraulic pumps?
[00:04:14] <eric_unterhausen> mpg looks simple enough
[00:05:46] <eric_unterhausen> you might not need anything more about the servo amps than the simple schematic that you have
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[00:07:04] <FinboySlick> pcw_home: Got a couple minutes to spare?
[00:07:32] <eric_unterhausen> just ask
[00:07:53] <FinboySlick> eric_unterhausen: Me you mean?
[00:08:03] <eric_unterhausen> ya
[00:08:25] <FinboySlick> This isn't really linuxcnc related. Just something I know pcw_home might have insight on.
[00:09:19] <eric_unterhausen> irc protocol is to ask the real question, no preamble
[00:10:00] <andypugh> FinboySlick: I know a fair bit about Mesa stuff, especially the LinuxCNC interface
[00:10:24] <FinboySlick> eric_unterhausen: Technically, the C part of IRC is for chat but fine.
[00:11:33] <FinboySlick> andypugh: It's not Mesa related either. Just trying to figure out what might be wrong with a mobo and he's the only guy I know with good insight on that kind of circuitry. Wondering what might cause pre-kernel clockspeed to sink horribly. Are those regulated by capacitors usually?
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[00:12:19] <eric_unterhausen> how do you know pre-kernel clockspeed is sinking?
[00:13:07] <FinboySlick> eric_unterhausen: It's mostly a guess, it takes ages to get through POST, grub, decompressing the kernel. Once it's decompressed, things are at a normal speed.
[00:14:02] <FinboySlick> Since there were no hardware or environmental changes, I'm thinking it's a faulty component.
[00:14:27] <eric_unterhausen> all motherboard problems are capacitor related
[00:14:37] <FinboySlick> The seconds countdown in grub (when you make selection) take about 30 seconds per second to count down.
[00:14:54] <eric_unterhausen> Chinese cap manufacturers are now working hard to make sure there is no cosmetic evidence of failed caps
[00:15:19] <eric_unterhausen> weird
[00:15:57] <FinboySlick> So it's as if post used one clock and the kernel used another or some odd thing like that.
[00:16:07] <eric_unterhausen> do you really think that post is slower?
[00:16:31] <eric_unterhausen> the cpu controls the clock, your bios may have gone wanky
[00:17:17] <FinboySlick> Could be. Just don't know enough hardware to know if it really is the CPU or some sort of reference clock circuitry.
[00:17:50] <FinboySlick> The CPU is performing quite well now that it has loaded the kernel.
[00:18:17] <FinboySlick> (I'm using the machine right now)
[00:19:09] <FinboySlick> Whatever is wrong during POST and BIOS is still wrong during GRUB and the decompressing bit of loading the kernel.
[00:19:28] <eric_unterhausen> the kernel sets a batch of chipset/cpu registers
[00:19:48] <eric_unterhausen> you can look in dmesg to see if there are any hints
[00:20:28] <eric_unterhausen> you also may want to turn off the graphical boot and watch the boot messages scroll by
[00:20:36] <FinboySlick> There's no graphical boot.
[00:20:54] <eric_unterhausen> what os?
[00:21:18] <FinboySlick> It's a custom gentoo setup.
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[00:22:15] <FinboySlick> I'm parsing dmesg now to see if I notice anything odd.
[00:22:40] <atom1> skunkworks, seems to be compiling
[00:22:57] <atom1> can i copy my configs into this once it's done?
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[00:27:17] <FinboySlick> Nothing out of the ordinary... I'll try to reset/flush everything bios related.
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[00:41:27] <skunkworks> atom1: I think so - just be sure to add the required settings to the traj section of the ini
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[00:42:58] <atom1> where are the compiled files located?
[00:44:13] <skunkworks> ARC_BLEND_ENABLE = 1
[00:44:15] <skunkworks> ARC_BLEND_FALLBACK_ENABLE = 1
[00:44:16] <skunkworks> ARC_BLEND_OPTIMIZATION_DEPTH = 50
[00:44:18] <skunkworks> ARC_BLEND_SMOOTHING_THRESHOLD = 0.4
[00:44:20] <skunkworks> ?
[00:44:35] <atom1> ahh yeah for the new planner
[00:45:57] <atom1> make: cscope: Command not found
[00:45:57] <atom1> make: *** [cscope] Error 127
[00:46:27] <skunkworks> well - install cscope..,.
[00:47:32] <atom1> once it compiles, where are the output files located?
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[00:47:43] <atom1> so i can edit the ini etc to add my configs
[00:49:07] <atom1> what's it mean to run in place? just a sim?
[00:49:36] <skunkworks> oh - once it compiles - they are in the directory that you built it in - rip
[00:50:49] <skunkworks> so you go into that directory - type . ./scripts/rip-enviroment
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[00:50:52] <skunkworks> then linuxcnc
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[00:55:54] <skunkworks> it should see your configs if they are in the normal linuxcnc directory..
[00:55:56] <FinboySlick> Hmm... Well it's fixed now but I'm not sure what it was.
[00:56:35] <atom1> they are
[00:57:01] <atom1> well... i think they are
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[01:23:06] <andypugh> Night all
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[01:48:43] <skunkworks> Tom_itx: any luck?
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[02:19:19] <Tom_itx> yeah
[02:19:31] <Tom_itx> i gotta copy over some configs though
[02:19:36] <Tom_itx> on the other hdd
[02:19:43] <Tom_itx> i swapped them out to avoid any problems
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[02:49:17] <atom1> skunkworks, not sure what's going on just yet. it tries to load the config then quits
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[02:50:18] <Tom_itx> http://tom-itx.dyndns.org:81/~webpage/cnc/configs/sherline/bitfiles/dmesg.txt
[02:50:23] <Tom_itx> there's the dmesg output from it
[02:51:06] <Tom_itx> oh wait.. do i need to edit the configs?
[02:55:19] <atom1> same thing after adding the ARC_BLEND stuff
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[03:05:05] <atom1> hmm, any ideas?
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[03:52:43] <eric_unterhausen> well, my garage door is on the internet
[03:59:12] <Jymmm> sounds like a dumb idea to me
[03:59:22] <eric_unterhausen> ya, bad ideas abound
[03:59:35] <eric_unterhausen> you have to enter a code to open/close
[03:59:51] <Jymmm> Dont forget to post your ATM PIN number too
[04:00:50] <eric_unterhausen> there's only 10000 of them
[04:01:19] <Jymmm> not necessarily
[04:01:29] <eric_unterhausen> it's probably not as bad as your bank forcing you to have an online account
[04:04:33] <eric_unterhausen> I should look at my internet traffic, it's probably sending out packets at some rate
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[04:13:43] <eric_unterhausen> I figure my family leaving the garage door open because they are a batch of flakes was going to cost me some tools at some point
[04:13:53] <eric_unterhausen> and so now I can check the door if I want
[04:18:26] <Jymmm> you could jsut set a 2hr timer to automatically clsoe the garage door
[04:18:45] <Jymmm> ...with a 5 minute warning
[04:19:42] <FinboySlick> Oooh! Make that a 100HP air raid siren ;)
[04:19:59] <FinboySlick> It'll break the habit of forgetting it open ;)
[04:21:22] <eric_unterhausen> I tried installing the app on my wife's phone, her password didn't work
[04:21:40] <eric_unterhausen> I tried to get her to try to login on her computer, too lazy, will do it tomorrow
[04:22:21] <Jymmm> Install a trian horn IN the house, when the garage is left open more than 15 minutes.... GUARNTEE it'll with =)
[04:22:32] <Jymmm> work*
[04:22:58] <eric_unterhausen> when you open the garage door from the internet, the opener beeps like crazy
[04:23:01] <Jymmm> No internet, no passwords, no too lazy for this, or forgot that, bullshit
[04:23:02] <eric_unterhausen> dogs love that
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[04:23:44] <eric_unterhausen> this is how spammers get gmail addresses
[04:25:17] <Jymmm> eric_unterhausen: So now Google has access to your home =)
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[04:25:48] <Jymmm> physical access that is
[04:26:38] <eric_unterhausen> I was too lazy to put the deadbolt on the door, so you can just lift the garage door anyway
[04:26:53] <Jymmm> lol
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[04:27:37] <eric_unterhausen> If I lived somewhere with a higher crime rate, I'd worry about it
[04:27:45] <RyanS> This is odd.. Goliath gun & spiral flute taps with TiN coating are 20% cheaper than bright.. wtf.
[04:28:09] <RyanS> Unless that's a large quantity discount
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[07:06:49] <somenewguy> hahawhat
[07:11:28] <RyanS> I knew I was not the only person thinking of this http://psas.pdx.edu/lv2cspincan/ToolPostGrinder1.jpg
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[07:35:33] <somenewguy> why is the ngcgui subroutines forum so dead? there is no way all you folks don't have a handfull of nice subs that you use all the time
[07:39:05] <archivist> methinks docs are the right place, what do they say
[07:40:12] <FinboySlick> archivist: Up early or late?
[07:40:34] <FinboySlick> Oh damn... It's later here than I thought!
[07:43:02] <somenewguy> ?
[07:44:03] <archivist> 7:45 am :)
[07:44:17] <FinboySlick> somenewguy: I have 5h difference with archivist. Was surprised to see him active but it turns out that I'm the one staying up way past bedtime.
[07:44:49] <somenewguy> haha oh
[07:44:50] <archivist> sleeping is for the week
[07:44:58] <archivist> weak even
[07:45:07] <somenewguy> I was just confrused, I thought that was a resposne to me originally
[07:45:08] <FinboySlick> archivist: Heh, both work!
[07:45:18] <somenewguy> didn't realizee myconnection had dropped and I am just jumping into a conversation lol
[07:45:22] <somenewguy> man I could use sleep for the week
[07:45:23] <FinboySlick> Assuming you work weekdays.
[07:45:32] <somenewguy> up all night stopping the pipes from freezing
[07:45:50] <somenewguy> plus working nights AND days cause apparently I hate myself....
[07:46:08] <somenewguy> its 3am here
[07:46:10] <FinboySlick> somenewguy: Tell me about it. My mother had to cancel purchase of a house because the previous owner turned off the breaker when she left.
[07:46:33] <FinboySlick> To make matter worse, it's a hot water central heater.
[07:46:41] <somenewguy> rough
[07:48:06] <archivist> winter has been mild so far here
[07:48:51] <somenewguy> winter has been mill over here
[07:48:56] <somenewguy> get it?
[07:48:59] <somenewguy> cause I'm milling
[07:49:01] <somenewguy> and its winter
[07:49:05] <somenewguy> ....oh god I should sleep
[07:49:24] <somenewguy> I honestly thought that would be funny
[07:50:02] <FinboySlick> somenewguy: I'm just glad that I'm not the only one being silly for once.
[07:51:12] <somenewguy> heh. After discovering apparently my new ac/heater doesn't actually work if it is too cold, I could use to let lose a bit
[07:51:35] <somenewguy> happy thoughts
[07:51:53] <FinboySlick> What temperature is it where you are now?
[07:52:56] <FinboySlick> It's warming up here apparently, -22C.
[07:54:04] <somenewguy> nice
[07:54:15] <somenewguy> its been unseasonably cold lasst few days, and windy
[07:54:21] <archivist> I have some fridges that are useless in the cold
[07:54:52] <FinboySlick> archivist: Can't have *one* fridge, like any sensible person huh?
[07:55:59] <FinboySlick> (I think I'm catching up to somenewguy here)
[07:56:01] <somenewguy> but its been sitting at like 0f with a winchill around -10 -20
[07:56:14] <somenewguy> aren't all fridges useless in the cold...
[07:56:25] <archivist> main fridge fails at about 10 deg c room temp, so trying out some peltier things off ebay
[07:56:26] <somenewguy> like its just a cabinet that you plug in at that point
[07:56:57] <archivist> silly thing think they need to defrost and cook the contents
[07:57:16] <somenewguy> so in the cold your fridge becomes a stove?
[07:57:20] <somenewguy> nice feature
[07:57:37] <archivist> my house is unheated so they shout still work not cook contents
[07:57:46] <archivist> should
[07:57:51] <somenewguy> a few yearsago when I was living out of my car I used to keep things in the fridge in the winter to stop them from freezing
[07:57:55] <somenewguy> the fridge was off of course
[07:58:17] <somenewguy> fridges can be strange things I guess
[07:58:59] <FinboySlick> archivist: How about a stirling cycle fridge?
[07:59:41] <archivist> I would have to make or buy it
[07:59:58] <FinboySlick> With a good enough sink for the hot side, you can get pretty darn cold with those.
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[08:01:07] <FinboySlick> Okay, off to bed for real this time.
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[08:01:29] <archivist> I am waiting on fleabay to get a temperature controller to play with a wine cooler I have that has a dumb controller going into defrost
[08:05:58] <somenewguy> just build your own with a microcontroller
[08:06:08] <somenewguy> everyone needs an arduino or threee
[08:06:30] <archivist> I do not need an aaaaarguino ever!
[08:06:34] <somenewguy> I think Iam gonna wrap up for the night. This damn subrouting isn'tgetting fixed tonight
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[08:06:41] <Deejay> moin
[08:06:42] <somenewguy> hahaha I see someone has opinions onthematter
[08:06:47] <somenewguy> night
[08:06:47] <archivist> mebe
[08:06:52] <somenewguy> well actually
[08:06:56] <somenewguy> maybe
[08:07:19] <archivist> I used to write assembler in the day job
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[08:08:07] <somenewguy> and then you went crazy?
[08:08:22] <somenewguy> I'm a mechanical engineer, C++ is hard enough
[08:08:42] <somenewguy> (I say that but i am enjoying coding more and more every time I do it)
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[08:09:43] <archivist> I started out with radio and tv repair moved to welding,then electronics then programming then mechanical
[08:10:05] <RyanS> never enjoyed but was not completely abysmal at programming
[08:10:16] <somenewguy> I would suspect most of us on here end out doing a whole bit of everything
[08:10:29] <archivist> engage brain make hands do what I want except correct speeelin
[08:10:29] <RyanS> Actually I really disliked
[08:10:57] <somenewguy> I wonder what the ratio of folks who use linuxcnc to makemone vs lose money is
[08:10:57] <archivist> I hate maths
[08:10:59] <somenewguy> spelling isoverated
[08:11:17] <somenewguy> i likemath
[08:11:20] <somenewguy> its right,or its wrong
[08:11:27] <somenewguy> no grey
[08:11:30] <somenewguy> or gray
[08:11:37] <RyanS> I think I always hear "this saving money business is expensive"
[08:11:47] <somenewguy> to prove my own point...
[08:11:47] <archivist> I started using it to make money but its not properly feeding me yet
[08:12:03] <RyanS> I will get a $3000 a milling machine to make a $50 part lol
[08:12:17] <somenewguy> ryans, yah that sums me up pretty much
[08:12:34] <somenewguy> I got a 3d printer that is paying for itself, and usedthat to justify getting the mill, which has a long way to go
[08:12:55] <somenewguy> its jsut a little desktop, but I needed like 40 hoels drilled in some square stock, coulda done it on a bridge port in a day...
[08:13:09] <RyanS> can you 3-D print in wax. I'm thinking lost wax metal casting
[08:13:24] <somenewguy> no, PLA and ABS plastic
[08:13:40] <somenewguy> although the pla melts at a low enough temp, I've heards of ppl burning itout of a mold
[08:13:55] <RyanS> Think that would work for casting? I think I saw some video
[08:14:06] <somenewguy> I do, I have been trying to make the time to try such a thing
[08:14:10] <archivist> the amateur market dont like buying gears in because they can make it cheaper, except they dont factor in their time or machine or tooling costs
[08:14:33] <somenewguy> havea small wood fired oven that I can melt aluminum in
[08:14:48] <somenewguy> haven't pulled it out since I got the printer tho
[08:15:15] <RyanS> hmm don't need much heat?
[08:15:16] <somenewguy> yeah archivist, i only recently figured out how to value my time properly
[08:15:42] <somenewguy> ryans, not really. you can print so its like 10% or less plastic by volume, so a torch would melt it out
[08:16:07] <somenewguy> PLA goes liquid at 180C or so
[08:16:52] <RyanS> Sorry I meant to melt aluminium. I thought you need a gas forge
[08:17:01] <somenewguy> oh
[08:17:27] <somenewguy> its a 5 gal steel bucket lined w/ cermainc wool, reinforced on the inside w/ a skim coat of refractory cement
[08:17:43] <somenewguy> shop vac blows in the bottom, melts aluminum pretty easy
[08:17:59] <somenewguy> maaayyyybeee I could melt steel in it, but it would be a push
[08:18:31] <somenewguy> ok im gonna wrap up, catch yall tommorwo
[08:19:27] <RyanS> cya
[08:19:46] <RyanS> achivist Speaking of gears Think this would be at all accurate? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ygh6gmlC0Y&feature=player_detailpage#t=22
[08:20:42] <RyanS> Inkjet printers are reasonably accurate. I guess
[08:22:22] <archivist> RyanS, just get a dividing plate that paper disk is a bit naff
[08:23:54] <archivist> even better get a rotary table that includes the dividing plates
[08:26:29] <RyanS> I suppose you could mount the rotary table vertical on cross slide
[08:27:46] <archivist> but there is a good example of "amateur quality" where he could buy better for less
[08:34:44] <RyanS> The vertical travel could be problematic
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[10:01:52] <CaptHindsight> you can 3d print wax with an extruder a low res but most use SLA (laser or DLP) to print molds for lost wax casting at high res
[10:04:20] <CaptHindsight> 3d systems uses the xerox (tektronics) printheads to print with wax
[10:09:16] <CaptHindsight> http://oliviervanherpt.nl/3d-printed-beeswax/ low res beeswax with a glue gun printer
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[12:01:32] <MattyMatt> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Photoelectric-Speed-Sensor-Encoder-Coded-Disc-Freescale-Smart-car-/121147926866
[12:02:04] <MattyMatt> 100 slot encoder. make your own jogwheel
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[12:06:48] <MattyMatt> I wonder how many rpm that could handle. I could estimate from watching one side on my single trace scope
[12:12:21] <MattyMatt> archivist, wouldn't fitting a stepper on a rotary be cheaper than a set of dividing plates? less error prone too IMO
[12:15:12] <MattyMatt> until you forget to work the locking clamps :p
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[12:18:24] <MattyMatt> I guess it's the hydraulic brake that makes the difference between a £5000 cnc rotary and a £100 manual one
[12:20:06] <MattyMatt> my cnc one is belt drive with no brake :p
[12:22:58] <MattyMatt> I could fit a curved brake shoe around the edge, applied by a motor & cam
[12:24:26] <MattyMatt> or simply make my next rotary out of a drum brake wheel hub
[12:24:54] <MattyMatt> arr that be the way
[12:25:33] <MattyMatt> they are about 6in diameter on an old mini
[12:25:51] <CaptHindsight> is the goal maker quality ghetto style?
[12:26:13] <MattyMatt> goal is top quality, without cash investment
[12:26:46] <CaptHindsight> is time an issue? you can hover over fleabay and wait for a deal
[12:27:07] <MattyMatt> bargains are rare on ebay.uk atm
[12:27:47] <CaptHindsight> parcel post USPS
[12:27:59] <MattyMatt> trying to get an iron surface plate cheap is getting annoying
[12:28:44] <MattyMatt> I doubt any rotary will fit in the 5kg postage limit :)
[12:28:48] <CaptHindsight> what size? 3' x 4'?
[12:29:06] <MattyMatt> 2' x18" is about right
[12:29:19] <MattyMatt> I can survive with an 18x12 tho
[12:29:26] <CaptHindsight> how about granite in that size?
[12:29:39] <MattyMatt> nahh, I want iron, so I can use magnets
[12:30:09] <CaptHindsight> do you want t-slots as well?
[12:30:35] <MattyMatt> nope plain flat is fine
[12:30:36] <CaptHindsight> or just a flat hunk of iron?
[12:31:31] <MattyMatt> I need flat just for measuring and layout, but I'll probably use it for laying up granite-epoxy moulds too
[12:31:46] <CaptHindsight> how much does an hours worth of surface grinding go for there?
[12:32:37] <MattyMatt> I wouldn't know. probably not much if it's at a car head skimming place
[12:33:07] <CaptHindsight> scrap iron + 1 hour
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[12:34:05] <MattyMatt> I'd have to get it upstairs, so a proper ribbed one rather than a solid block is desirable
[12:34:10] <CaptHindsight> auto head mill is typically a fly cutter so the surface ends up with a little bite
[12:36:53] <MattyMatt> I could make up an mdf one, mill it flat, put on the glass, then glue on shim steel
[12:37:20] <CaptHindsight> "I don't want to sound like a dick or nothing but" avoid #reprap for 1-2 weeks, you'll find what you're looking for and gain perspective
[12:37:24] <MattyMatt> or forget the steel and magnets
[12:38:31] <MattyMatt> ah I'm upstairs at momma's. I got my full fill of grief for the last iron tool I hauled up the stairs :)
[12:39:25] <MattyMatt> "It'll damage the floor" "It's no heavier than your husband"
[12:40:48] <MattyMatt> avoiding irc altogether does wonders for my perspective and productivity :p
[12:42:20] <archivist> MattyMatt, of course but he was showing a manual method
[12:44:54] <archivist> I got a dividing head for 3 quid plus the fuel to fetch off fleabay a few weeks ago
[12:45:01] <MattyMatt> nice
[12:45:43] <archivist> was sold as faulty and minus the dividing plates
[12:46:18] <archivist> am intending to upgrade with a servo or stepper drive
[12:46:19] <MattyMatt> the operation of those does seem a complicated to me, but I guess you get used to it pretty quick
[12:47:12] <archivist> I have dividing plates that have never been used, came with the b axis I got for the mill
[12:48:11] <MattyMatt> they be easy enough to make with a 3 axis mill I'm sure
[12:49:05] <MattyMatt> any hole position error would be tiny by the time it bacame a head angle
[12:50:09] <archivist> that is what most people like to think, often the final error is a lot worse due to the worm and wheel in the head
[12:50:34] <MattyMatt> arr
[12:51:07] <archivist> when I get around to it I will make a page documenting one of the rotaries errors one day
[12:51:20] <MattyMatt> I'm gonna upgrade mine to M8 worm on a wheel cut with a tap
[12:51:38] * archivist shudders
[12:51:39] <MattyMatt> the belt drive was only intended to last long enough to do that
[12:51:40] <CaptHindsight> is anyone making a machine quality wood composite?
[12:52:15] <MattyMatt> betonboard seems to be the best plywood for that
[12:52:48] <MattyMatt> it's that hard epoxy soaked stuff. in europe they use it for concrete shuttering (hence the name)
[12:52:51] <archivist> CaptHindsight, probably that stuff Loetmichel uses with is a resin impregnated ply for vehicle trailer floors
[12:53:34] <CaptHindsight> plywood is too unstable, was thinking more about wood particles <100um + polyester or epoxy
[12:53:47] <MattyMatt> I've seen it in US, for boatbuilding, but I can't find it in UK
[12:54:08] <CaptHindsight> sawdust, talc and polyester would be low cost
[12:54:26] <CaptHindsight> MEKP for catalyst
[12:55:00] <CaptHindsight> wood based Bondo
[12:56:39] <CaptHindsight> and add minerals to increase the compressive strength
[12:58:46] <MattyMatt> why not use pure mineral + epoxy?
[12:59:09] <MattyMatt> maybe some glass fibre for tensile strength?
[12:59:31] <CaptHindsight> http://www.ebay.co.uk/bhp/polyester-resin-kg + sawdust
[12:59:54] <MattyMatt> with any mineral in it, you won't be using your woodwork tools unless you want them blunted asap
[13:00:00] <CaptHindsight> glass, minerals and wood
[13:00:01] <Jymmm> carbon fiber swarf!
[13:00:09] <Jymmm> diamond dust!
[13:00:25] <Jymmm> Silly Putty!
[13:00:41] <CaptHindsight> but but but wood is natural
[13:00:47] <MattyMatt> diamond has high thermal expansion doesn't it?
[13:00:52] <CaptHindsight> so is the sand
[13:00:56] <Jymmm> so is decomposing flesh
[13:00:57] <MattyMatt> so are diamonds, according to de beers
[13:02:20] <CaptHindsight> aluminum oxide is cheap and almost as hard
[13:02:49] <Jymmm> sodium is natural =)
[13:02:52] <CaptHindsight> recycled sand paper
[13:03:06] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: that's called sand =)
[13:05:28] <CaptHindsight> polyester resin, sand and saw dust
[13:06:24] <MattyMatt> polyester resin shrinks in curing, but I guess that good for making material rather than precision casting
[13:06:29] <CaptHindsight> call it maker-resin or something else stupid
[13:06:41] <CaptHindsight> that's why you add the sand and sawdust
[13:06:56] <MattyMatt> ah it'd have to be safe in a laser cutter before you could call it maker-crap
[13:07:37] <MattyMatt> hackerspace people love their laser cutters
[13:07:49] <CaptHindsight> sage for children or dogs?
[13:07:55] <CaptHindsight> sage/safe
[13:08:32] <MattyMatt> anyone of a nervous disposition. I think most laser cutters have good extractors tho
[13:08:46] <Jymmm> ?
[13:09:00] <CaptHindsight> the burning wood is natural
[13:09:04] <MattyMatt> hey'd need it with all that acrylic that goes through them
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[13:10:28] <Jymmm> what does that have to do with a nervous disposition?
[13:10:29] <MattyMatt> k, time to deplete my plywood stocks, bbl
[13:10:30] <CaptHindsight> like acrylic polyester, epoxy and urethane?
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[13:35:12] <einar_> Does anyone know how to invert step signal from USC? For my drives it should be Hi when not active.
[13:35:48] <archivist> USC ?
[13:36:04] <eric_unterhausen> unnamed stepper control
[13:38:15] <einar_> URL: http://pico-systems.com/univstep.html
[13:41:22] <eric_unterhausen> you can do it with hal
[13:42:47] <einar_> How?
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[13:45:53] <einar_> If I understand this correctly, the step signals are generated on the USC. But there is no guarantee that I understand anything here.
[13:46:35] <einar_> Flipping them in HAL is only possible if step/dir are generated in software. Or???
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[13:48:45] <archivist> I expect you need to read the usc manual to see how to flip
[13:50:39] <einar_> That was what I tried first. But there are a lot of things there I don't understand. :-(
[13:51:10] <einar_> I read this: http://linuxcnc.org/docs/2.5/pdf/LinuxCNC_Integrator_Manual.pdf p.166. I found nothing else.
[14:00:11] <R2E4> With a 3 axis vmc, what would be the bare minimum pushbuttons or controls on a panel you would need?
[14:00:38] <R2E4> E-stop for one
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[14:09:19] <R2E4> cycle start, feed hold
[14:09:37] <jthornton> MPG, axis select, jog increment selector
[14:09:52] <jthornton> program start/pause
[14:10:13] <R2E4> I have an mpg, oh yeah, good idea
[14:10:29] <jthornton> great for touching off
[14:10:55] <jthornton> a selector switch for what axis and a selector for jog increments
[14:10:59] <R2E4> most can be momentary I am guessing.
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[14:11:17] <jthornton> a rotary works best
[14:11:18] <R2E4> yes yes yes, let me take some notes here.
[14:11:47] <jthornton> I find I use 0.01 for fast jog and 0.001 for final touch off
[14:12:30] <R2E4> well, on my mpg I have some buttons allready, http://irmtl.com/LinuxCNC/VM40/MPG/mpg1.JPG
[14:12:35] * jthornton just created printer friendly pages for his recipes
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[14:13:02] <jthornton> are they toggle buttons or momentary
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[14:13:07] <R2E4> I am going to cut my first wires today....
[14:13:24] <R2E4> They are momentary
[14:14:42] <R2E4> http://irmtl.com/LinuxCNC/VM40/MPG/mpg.jpg
[14:15:02] <R2E4> I havent connected it so I dont know if that will work, but someone here said it should
[14:15:43] <jthornton> looks like a normal mpg
[14:17:08] <R2E4> pushbuttonms to jog axis with increment selector besides the mpg
[14:17:32] <R2E4> I was thinking feedrate overrides also
[14:17:42] <archivist> I find push buttons for jogging not too good
[14:18:03] <R2E4> archivist: no? Why not?
[14:18:18] <archivist> not the right feel
[14:19:08] <Tom_itx> 12 F
[14:19:24] <archivist> when concentrating on the item the feedback to human matters
[14:19:25] <R2E4> I have rpm meter and load meter for spindle allready and it is coming straight from spindle servo amp.....
[14:19:33] <Tom_itx> high of 16 F today
[14:20:44] <R2E4> I might as well purchase another i/o board or maybe another 7i77 and I can put two daughter boards then.
[14:20:58] <R2E4> I really need to map out my i/o's
[14:23:10] <Tom_itx> anybody see anything i'm missing here: http://tom-itx.dyndns.org:81/~webpage/cnc/configs/sherline/bitfiles/dmesg.txt
[14:23:11] <Tom_itx> ?
[14:24:15] <Tom_itx> R2E4, i considered this bare minimum: http://tom-itx.dyndns.org:81/~webpage/cnc/pendant/pendant2.jpg
[14:27:30] <R2E4> Thats looks cool but http://irmtl.com/LinuxCNC/VM40/IMG_0403.JPG would look funny with 4 buttons on it
[14:28:28] <R2E4> manual ATC operator buttons also
[14:28:31] <Tom_itx> use the current ones
[14:29:01] <Tom_itx> i didn't have any to start with
[14:29:07] <R2E4> The membranes are worn down to throiugh to the actuall buttons
[14:29:26] <Tom_itx> you can have those made
[14:29:47] <Tom_itx> the large pannel or the pendant?
[14:30:31] <R2E4> large panel, I am going to cutout the existing monitor and re fiberglass in a mount for a 19" lcd, then create a button panel below
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[14:32:21] <R2E4> Look at these servo's
[14:32:24] <R2E4> http://irmtl.com/LinuxCNC/VM40/IMG_0412.JPG
[14:33:00] <archivist> what no go faster bump to cover it
[14:34:47] <R2E4> The encoders, I dont know what the phaseA and phaseB does from the encoders. Can I leave them off?
[14:34:49] <R2E4> http://irmtl.com/LinuxCNC/VM40/Docs/schematics1.pdf
[14:35:07] <Tom_itx> it's part of the quadrature signal
[14:35:11] <archivist> you need them
[14:35:49] <R2E4> Theres not 8 wires for encoders on the 7i77
[14:35:54] <R2E4> wait
[14:37:40] <Tom_itx> you will probably find phaseA, /phaseA, phaseB, /phaseB to be the case
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[14:40:40] <R2E4> like QA0 /QA0, QB0 /QB0 to be the phase a and b, then IDX1 /idx1 as the one rotation signal?
[14:41:02] <R2E4> 6 connectors on the 7i77 for encoders
[14:41:06] <Tom_itx> likely so
[14:42:48] <R2E4> Just have to figure out the drive enable, which I think will end up being the "Velocity Control ON" signal going into the amp
[14:43:16] <R2E4> Once I get LinuxCNC figured out I can connect one axis and try it....
[14:48:52] <Tom_itx> did you find the right driver manuals?
[14:49:20] <R2E4> I have them but are in Japanese. I am getting a translator
[14:50:20] <R2E4> There are three signals I need to know what they are, then I should be good to go
[14:50:55] <Tom_itx> those links didn't help then?
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[14:51:19] <R2E4> and the pinouts on the driver connectors, I only have to worry about one connector.
[14:51:46] <R2E4> Not really,
[14:52:35] <Tom_itx> time to go shovel the walk
[14:52:52] <R2E4> Thats what kids are for.
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[14:54:56] <R2E4> This is going bye bye!!! http://irmtl.com/LinuxCNC/VM40/IMG_0389.JPG
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[14:56:13] <archivist> put those boards on fleabay
[14:56:44] <R2E4> They are selling expensive on fleabay
[14:57:21] <archivist> well they try to get high prices, do they actually sell?
[14:57:22] <R2E4> I allmost forgot... The PLC...... http://irmtl.com/LinuxCNC/VM40/PLC/IMG_0395.JPG
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[14:59:22] <R2E4> I could probably keep the relay board and use it for my relays
[15:01:14] <R2E4> take the ribbon cables and break them out on terminals
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[15:15:38] <einar_> I'm getting following errors. How can I figure out what parameter is wrong?
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[15:18:09] <einar_> And I'm using Universal Stepper Controller.
[15:25:03] <JT-Shop> this a stepper machine?
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[15:28:37] <einar_> Yes. It's steppers controlled by Universal Stepper Controller (Pico Systems)
[15:29:15] <JT-Shop> http://linuxcnc.org/docs/devel/html/common/Stepper_Diagnostics.html
[15:29:17] <einar_> So there's a PID involved in it, like with servos.
[15:29:29] <JT-Shop> oh
[15:29:48] <JT-Shop> set your following error high until you tune the PID loop
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[16:26:20] <einar_> Decreasing SERVO_PERIOD seems to help. If that's the right solution, I don't know.
[16:34:59] <pcw_home> Does the USC hal file use a normal PID component?
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[16:57:15] <Tom_itx> pcw_home any ideas why after the hostmot2 loads, it all unloads and quits? http://tom-itx.dyndns.org:81/~webpage/cnc/configs/sherline/bitfiles/dmesg.txt this is on 2.6 btw
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[16:59:57] <R2E4__> Can I put a 7i72 and a 7i69 on a single 7i77?
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[17:04:02] <R2E4___> I got disconnected.
[17:04:25] <R2E4___> Can I put a 7i69 and 7i72 on a single 7i77?
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[17:05:03] <eric_unterhausen> tom something else is going on and it's not showing up in dmesg
[17:07:26] <Tom_itx> yeah i didn't see anything unusual there really
[17:07:51] <eric_unterhausen> some hal pin isn't hooked up and lcnc is puking
[17:08:04] <eric_unterhausen> that doesn't make it into dmesg, makes it into lcnclog
[17:08:07] <Tom_itx> it's a working config
[17:08:13] <eric_unterhausen> so says you
[17:08:23] <Tom_itx> it works under 2.5.3 fine
[17:08:38] <eric_unterhausen> are you using 2.5.3?
[17:08:46] <Tom_itx> not for that test
[17:09:01] <Tom_itx> swapped hdd and tried 2.6 with the new TP code
[17:10:18] <eric_unterhausen> u may find the info you want in /home/tom_itx/linuxcnc_debug.txt or /home/tom_itx/linuxcnc_print.txt
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[17:10:39] <Tom_itx> i gotta swap hdd then i'll check again
[17:10:46] <eric_unterhausen> sheesh
[17:12:11] <Tom_itx> what? i don't wanna mess up my 2.5.3 install...
[17:12:48] <R2E4___> din terminals are expensive...
[17:12:58] <eric_unterhausen> ebay
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[17:13:40] <eric_unterhausen> only problem is that the din terminal accessories that you want are never on ebay
[17:14:12] <atom1> i'm not finding the error log
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[17:19:03] <eric_unterhausen> which error log?
[17:19:55] <atom1> the file you suggested i look at
[17:20:29] <eric_unterhausen> ~/linuxcnc_debug.txt?
[17:20:40] <atom1> yeah
[17:21:35] <eric_unterhausen> when linuxcnc shuts down, does it put up an error box with text in it?
[17:21:50] <atom1> ok i found it
[17:22:25] <eric_unterhausen> running linuxcnc over x has some advantages, namely that the debugging stuff is on the terminal
[17:22:50] <atom1> it may have been in the terminal, i didn't look ;)
[17:23:07] <eric_unterhausen> I was about to suggest you enable sshd and log in with ssh and run linuxcnc that way
[17:23:41] <atom1> amongst dos style line ending warnings i get
[17:23:44] <atom1> Can not find -sec MOT -var MOT -num 1
[17:23:52] <atom1> Can not find -sec IO -var IO -num 1
[17:24:02] <atom1> Can not find -sec LINUXCNC -var NML_FILE -num 1
[17:24:10] <atom1> Can not find -sec EMC -var NML_FILE -num 1
[17:24:39] <atom1> 3953 PID TTY STAT TIME COMMAND
[17:24:49] <atom1> Stopping realtime threads
[17:24:49] <atom1> Unloading hal components
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[17:30:35] <eric_unterhausen> did you build that version yourself?
[17:30:47] <eric_unterhausen> or is it packages?
[17:31:05] <atom1> built it
[17:31:32] <eric_unterhausen> what kernel?
[17:31:41] <atom1> 10.04
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[17:35:06] <skunkworks> do the sim configs run?
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[17:37:41] <atom1> yeah axis ran
[17:40:47] <atom1> is there a sample config using the parport only?
[17:41:53] <atom1> tried sherline 3axis and it ran
[17:42:06] <atom1> (loaded)
[17:43:56] <atom1> hm2 7i43 big ran as well
[17:45:42] <atom1> are ^^ those errors sections in the ini that may be needed?
[17:46:47] <skunkworks> no - it runs just fine without the ini settings.
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[17:47:26] <atom1> i may know what it is
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[17:47:45] <atom1> sherline.hal:106: Pin 'hal_manualtoolchange.change_button' does not exist
[17:47:50] <atom1> i'm using a custom file
[17:47:52] <eric_unterhausen> ha, I get those same errors in debug
[17:47:57] <atom1> and it doesn't see it
[17:48:17] <atom1> after a shower i'll comment those out and try again
[17:48:53] <atom1> or can you tell me where to copy the modified file in the master?
[17:49:12] <atom1> bak in a few
[17:50:04] <eric_unterhausen> funny that the actual error isn't in the debug logs
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[17:50:29] <IchGuckLive> hi all B)
[17:51:05] <IchGuckLive> !seen psha
[17:51:06] <the_wench> last seen in 2014-01-04 11:02:26GMT 30:48:54 ago, saying Quit: Lost terminal
[17:51:48] <IchGuckLive> can someone tell psha that the logger needs to be added 2014
[17:54:26] <atom1> duh
[17:54:31] <atom1> same pc different hdd
[17:54:36] <atom1> the file isn't on this hdd
[17:54:53] <IchGuckLive> you need to add the configs
[17:54:59] <IchGuckLive> look in the forum
[17:55:17] <IchGuckLive> or update to 2.5.3
[17:55:30] <IchGuckLive> the 7i43 is in there
[17:56:01] <atom1> you talkin to me?
[17:56:07] <IchGuckLive> yes i am
[17:56:15] <atom1> that's not the issue
[17:56:15] <IchGuckLive> reading your logt today
[17:56:59] <atom1> i think i just forgot to copy a file over
[17:57:02] <IchGuckLive> i see you got a warning at startup 25min ago
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[17:57:18] <IchGuckLive> is it the std_in.ngc
[17:57:30] <IchGuckLive> or in_std.ngc
[17:57:57] <IchGuckLive> then you need to add the subroutine path to RS inini
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[18:10:28] <atom1> it was the custom hal_manualtoolchange file
[18:11:12] <IchGuckLive> ah
[18:11:21] <atom1> i'm not sure where it's looking for the file though
[18:11:27] <atom1> so i can copy the custom one over
[18:11:36] <atom1> i just commented out a line for now
[18:11:40] <IchGuckLive> just delete it in ini
[18:11:48] <IchGuckLive> Hal section
[18:11:49] <atom1> don't want to
[18:11:50] <atom1> :)
[18:12:12] <atom1> i'm running a custom one
[18:12:26] <atom1> but i'd like to copy it over to the master code
[18:12:33] <atom1> not sure where it's at
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[18:15:08] <IchGuckLive> psha: logger 2014 ?
[18:15:51] <atom1> what about it?
[18:16:00] <atom1> you want logs for 2014?
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[19:12:12] <IchGuckLive> BYE
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[19:34:51] <skunkworks> finally install linuxcnc sim on this laptop.. Don't know why I waited so long. works well\
[19:35:00] <skunkworks> (122.04)
[19:35:02] <skunkworks> heh
[19:35:05] <skunkworks> 12.04
[19:35:40] <Tom_itx> skunkworks, are the script files compiled into 2.6?
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[19:35:56] <Tom_itx> i tried replacing one with my custom one and it still complained
[19:36:09] <Tom_itx> it's the hal_manualtoolchange script
[19:36:28] <eric_unterhausen> must be path issue
[19:36:32] <Tom_itx> the changes were supposed to be pushed into the new ver but i dunno if that's been done
[19:36:58] <Tom_itx> adds a physical button along side the axis dialog box
[19:37:42] <Tom_itx> i searched for all the matching files and changed the only other one i found
[19:39:01] <Tom_itx> i'm relatively sure that was my error though
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[19:47:23] <skunkworks> Tom_itx: I don't know..
[19:47:54] <Tom_itx> i'll do some testing here once i get a chance
[19:48:11] <Tom_itx> i did notice the one in master i found had a .py extension and the other one doesn't
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[20:21:30] <JT-Shop> worlds fastest coax stripper made from junk http://gnipsel.com/video/wire-stripper/
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[20:22:20] <JT-Shop> Tom_shop, do you see 3 videos on that page?
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[20:37:21] <Tom_shop> yes
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[20:37:22] <Tom_itx> don't have a viewer for mov though
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[20:39:19] <andypugh> Why would you need to strip that much Co-Ax?
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[20:39:31] <andypugh> Or are you just harvesting the copper?
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[20:48:22] <JT-Shop> yes, someone gave me 8,000' of medical grade coax with copper shield
[20:48:30] <Jymmmm> New uses for all you bearded (men and women alike) folks... http://www.viralnova.com/saved-ducklings-life/
[20:48:42] <Jymmmm> JT-Shop: RG-6 ?
[20:49:16] <Jymmmm> that's a type of coax
[20:49:27] <Jymmmm> it'll be printed on it
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[20:50:05] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: might say Belden and a number too
[20:50:14] <Jymmm> or Carol
[20:55:34] <JT-Shop> no marking on the cable
[20:56:04] <Jymmm> Then it's just cheaper bulk stuff more than likely. Pul out the center conductor and I suspect it's copper plated steel (got magnet?) instead of solid copper.
[20:57:06] <Jymmm> RG-6 is fairly good quality 75ohm coax used for cable TV
[20:58:02] <Jymmm> If it had markings on it, I might have bought some of it off you depending on type.
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[20:59:55] <JT-Shop> no, it is top of the line medical grade
[21:00:13] <Jymmm> There is no such thing as "Medical Grade"
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[21:00:57] <Jymmm> And IF there was, there were be markings on the cable itself to identify it.
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[21:01:24] <Jymmm> ...including the LOT# for traceability.
[21:03:18] <Jymmm> Something like this http://thumbs3.ebaystatic.com/d/l225/m/mxq_IHa9E5dwSD0QGWKr3gg.jpg
[21:04:28] <Jymmm> Better example: http://www.jpmsupply.com/media/05/a20791d136a2e43ac87cc9_l.JPG
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[21:08:02] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: It's kinda like saying Ti dipped tooling is better than solid carbide (sorta)
[21:12:42] <sivu> so.. is there a gallery of gui configurations
[21:14:14] <MrHindsight> sivu: screen shots or actual config files?
[21:14:30] <sivu> MrHindsight: both would be nice
[21:15:47] <MrHindsight> you can google for the wiki pages with screen shots
[21:16:21] <MrHindsight> http://linuxcnc.org/docs/html/gui/
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[21:30:03] <JT-Shop> sivu, the manual comes to mind
[21:30:30] <sivu> yes
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[21:31:22] <sivu> i was hoping for a bigger variety
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[21:42:06] <Deejay> gn8
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[21:43:25] <JT-Shop> the gui section on the forum has some that are not in the manual
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[21:44:10] <JT-Shop> or you could just write your own gui http://gnipsel.com/linuxcnc/gui/index.html
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[22:29:11] <somenewguy> mesa question folks
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[22:29:31] <somenewguy> I have a gecko G540 board and all the digital outputs are fried
[22:29:46] <somenewguy> steppers still work , I just don't ahve my 3 digital outs anymore
[22:30:45] <somenewguy> I was going to buy a second main board sicne its not under warrenty, and for 70 bucks I'd have a spare (machine is operational without digital out)
[22:30:45] <somenewguy> and I'd have output capability, and if I wanted I could have a ~infinite number of inputs for myself to use
[22:31:03] <somenewguy> however mesa boards are cheaper than I thought, and reallllly damn sexy, so maybe I should really buy one of thsoe, but thier website is really written for people who know what they are doing, not idiots like me
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[22:42:33] <somenewguy_lap> so before friday I need to figure out if I am buying a spare gecko motherboard, or if I should get a mesa card
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[22:46:46] <Tom_itx> mesa has good boards
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[22:47:44] <andypugh> somenewguy_home: You might want to look at the 5i25. You can use the 2xG540 config, with one DB25 for the G540 and the other as digital IO.
[22:48:19] <andypugh> (you need a generic parallel port header to bring out the second 25 pins)
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[22:50:18] <somenewguy_home> I have parallel ports floating around, they are nice project connectors so thats no issue
[22:50:34] <andypugh> However, you probably really want some kind of protection, so the 7i75 might save you frying any more digital IO. http://store.mesanet.com/index.php?route=product/product&path=69_71&product_id=118
[22:50:49] <somenewguy_home> in my defense, those IO were fried when I got it
[22:51:09] <andypugh> May be an easy fix if it is just the buffer IC.
[22:51:16] <somenewguy_home> I opened it up and thre were no blown components, so I sadly can't fix it on my own, also I can't read the PNs on the chips I am blaming
[22:51:42] <somenewguy_home> I am only just now noticing the 5i25 isn't actually buffered
[22:52:21] <somenewguy_home> so if my gecko main board dies, I would need to buffere hte output of the mesa board still, and then comple it w/ the 4 individual stepper drivers
[22:52:29] <somenewguy_home> so its not super simple
[22:53:02] <somenewguy_home> how hard is it from a software poitn of view, to have 4 gecko stepper drivers running off the mesa 5i25?
[22:53:18] <somenewguy_home> an afternoon of setup, or a couple days of diddling to get it all right
[22:54:10] <Tom_itx> there's probably a config for it already
[22:54:18] <somenewguy_home> wish I had thought of this sooner, leaving on friday so I need to make up my mind soon
[22:54:45] <somenewguy_home> a generic daughter board would be the normal buffer between the mesa pci/pcie card and the gecko stepper drivers?
[22:57:59] <somenewguy_home> ala the 7i76, now to see how much money I am thinking about throwing away "just cause I can"
[22:58:41] <Tom_itx> http://store.mesanet.com/index.php?route=product/product&path=69_73&product_id=215
[22:58:42] <andypugh> You can change from the G540 firmware to the 7i76 firmware if and when it becomes necessary.
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[22:59:09] <somenewguy_home> oh the 7i76 actually drives the motors, misread that
[22:59:34] <somenewguy_home> only good to 28v? hmm that can't be right
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[23:02:08] <Tom_itx> for driving your drivers
[23:02:12] <somenewguy_home> oh yeah, thats what the manual says
[23:02:21] <somenewguy_home> as I said, very confusing site, and I consider myself good at datasheets...
[23:02:33] <MrHindsight> http://openbuilds.com/ OpenBuilds is a community driven machine/project sharing site that allows people who like to build things to get together and share ideas and the machine designs with everyone
[23:02:46] <Tom_itx> somenewguy_home, it's actually alot better than it was
[23:02:50] <somenewguy_home> for 120 bucks just to isolate my inputs/outputs, doesn't really sound like a good bargain
[23:03:00] <somenewguy_home> for me, i know thats a good price
[23:03:10] <Tom_itx> better than parport by far
[23:03:26] <somenewguy_home> how by far?
[23:03:44] <Tom_itx> the 5i25 clocks the steppers, not the parport
[23:03:47] <somenewguy_home> the 5i25 makes it so my PC is no longer doing step generation, correct? it makes the.
[23:03:49] <somenewguy_home> you beat me to it
[23:03:56] <Tom_itx> it has a much higher clock rate
[23:04:16] <somenewguy_home> and would let me do a servo setup later
[23:04:26] <Tom_itx> with different daughter card
[23:04:33] <somenewguy_home> my 3 year plan includes a full size mill with servos
[23:04:46] <somenewguy_home> and we all know these thigns always go according to plan...
[23:04:58] <somenewguy_home> the 7i76 says it does servos... no?
[23:05:11] <Tom_itx> i'm not that familiar with them
[23:05:15] <somenewguy_home> oh ok
[23:05:23] <Tom_itx> i thought one was for stepper and one was for servo
[23:05:55] <Tom_itx> 7i77 is analog servo interface
[23:05:56] <andypugh> somenewguy_home: Depends on the servos. 7i76 is good for step-dir servos, but for analogue control ones (with encoders) then the 7i77 is the board.
[23:06:12] <somenewguy_home> argh so that would not future proof me...
[23:06:15] <andypugh> The main thing lacking from the 7i76 is encoder inputs.
[23:06:21] <somenewguy_home> that is the only way I could justify this
[23:06:25] <MrHindsight> all the designs seem to be using t-slot as the guide for their linear bearing
[23:06:38] <somenewguy_home> no wait a second, if the 7i76 is basically just a buffer in my setup
[23:06:56] <somenewguy_home> all I need is el-cheapo buffer board between the 5i25 and my geckos for now
[23:07:09] <somenewguy_home> and can purhcase the daughter board my heart desires for any future build
[23:07:12] <somenewguy_home> ?
[23:08:07] <MrHindsight> http://openbuildspartstore.com/ now I see why
[23:08:10] <andypugh> At the moment you don't need anything between the parallel port or the 5i25 and the G540
[23:08:45] <somenewguy_home> the G540 no, but the only way to justify the mesa card is if I can say the mesa will protect me from a "no machine" situation if something bad happens to the G540 main board
[23:09:19] <andypugh> If you get a 5i25 you can connect the G540 and a 7i75, using the 7i75 for the GPIO
[23:09:33] <MrHindsight> http://openbuildspartstore.com/electronics/ featuring 3 USB cnc controllers
[23:09:51] <somenewguy_home> 7i75 is 150 bucks, I can barely justify the original purchase of the mill currently
[23:10:32] <somenewguy_home> that money would be much better spent on a speed controled spindle
[23:10:38] <R2E4____> 7i25 is 119.00
[23:10:43] <MrHindsight> you can smell the quality
[23:10:57] <andypugh> Right, then if that happens you could use the 7i78 ($69) between the 5i25 and generic stepper drives. (or, actually, you could wire direct to the 5i25, just like you can to a parport)
[23:11:45] <somenewguy_home> any idea how much for a daughter board that can directly drive servos?
[23:11:50] <andypugh> 7i75 is $45
[23:12:19] <somenewguy_home> a board that is JUST a buffer is a waste, I could build one for ~30 bucks and that has huge value to me because I need practice laying out circuits and designing pcbs,
[23:12:36] <R2E4____> I think I may have the info to my servo amps, but need clarification.
[23:12:39] <somenewguy_home> meaning I would actually really like to build a plain buffer board as the process of learning it has value to me
[23:13:13] <somenewguy_home> how the heck did I get the wrong prices....
[23:13:14] <Tom_itx> my time is worth more than that
[23:13:23] <andypugh> You can build one for $30 or buy one for $45.
[23:13:24] <R2E4____> would cost more to build one than to buy the 5i25 at 48.00 ....lol
[23:13:25] <somenewguy_home> those are skills I legitmatly need to learn
[23:13:34] <Tom_itx> by the time you get all the nice connectors etc you will have spent more anyway
[23:13:43] <R2E4____> if you dont have all the chems etc boards etc....
[23:14:06] <somenewguy_home> I am in the middle of a startup project and I need to get some decent circuits made for them, so I'd rather get practice on something personal
[23:14:19] <somenewguy_home> if I was just thinking "I can build a board for that" yeah that would be a dumb reason
[23:14:37] <somenewguy_home> and I plan on using my mill to etch teh board
[23:14:46] <somenewguy_home> toner transfer etchign is for the birds, I've done it a few times
[23:14:58] <Tom_itx> it works rather well really
[23:15:17] <Tom_itx> but i've recently sent most of my projects to a chinaman to make for me
[23:15:18] <somenewguy_home> also I will almost deffintly shop out the boards
[23:15:34] <somenewguy_home> yeap tom, you got the right idea
[23:15:41] <somenewguy_home> but I still gotta lay em out
[23:15:45] <somenewguy_home> and a buffer board would be good practice
[23:15:51] <Tom_itx> suit yourself
[23:16:57] <Tom_itx> andypugh do you know if the script files in 2.6 are compiled?
[23:17:00] <R2E4____> http://irmtl.com/LinuxCNC/VM40/servo%20amps/SD_Servo_Amp.pdf item c , is that basically the enable pin? Also item f, WTF is that?
[23:17:31] <Tom_itx> andypugh, i'm getting an error on the hal_manualtoolchange script and tried replacing it in master with my custom one but still get the error
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[23:18:05] <Tom_itx> i did notice the one i found in master had the .py extension
[23:18:41] <andypugh> R2E4____: f sounds like the command voltage input
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[23:19:31] <andypugh> Tom_itx: Linux uses the #! at the beginning of the file rather than the extension, so just remove the .py from your version.
[23:19:44] <R2E4____> andypugh: thats item a. no?
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[23:21:23] <somenewguy_home> So does mesa make boards that actually controll motor voltages?
[23:21:25] <andypugh> Ah, yes.
[23:22:04] <andypugh> somenewguy_home: Not many. Mostly for servo motors. There is a stepper controller, but it is not LinuxCNC compatible.
[23:22:21] <somenewguy_home> what do they have for servos?
[23:22:27] <somenewguy_home> like what do they call it?
[23:22:29] <Tom_itx> leadshine or gecko are probably the best
[23:23:04] <somenewguy_home> I don't intend to buy any stepper drivers
[23:23:12] <somenewguy_home> just trying to understand my upgrade path a bit better
[23:23:18] <andypugh> http://store.mesanet.com/index.php?route=product/category&path=83_90 is a list of all the LinuxCNC-compatible Mesa motor control cards. http://store.mesanet.com/index.php?route=product/category&path=83_90
[23:23:20] <somenewguy_home> oh motion controllers, these are clear
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[23:25:15] <somenewguy_home> ok, looks like I'll just limp along for now
[23:25:24] <somenewguy_home> maybe not even get the gecko fixed
[23:26:58] <andypugh> You can consider breaking out the unused IO lines that feed the G540 into your own interface instead.
[23:27:13] <andypugh> Maybe use a ULN2008
[23:30:55] <somenewguy_home> thats the new plan yeah
[23:31:12] <somenewguy_home> I actually already broke them out on the box all my controlls sit in
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[23:36:13] <somenewguy_home> the 7i75 sure sounds sexy tho, I might need it for otherthigns anyways, maybe when I make a working buffer board I'll buy one as a reward
[23:36:22] <somenewguy_home> nothing like dangling a carrot infront of yourself, right?
[23:37:27] <somenewguy_home> wait no, it only has 4 inputs like a regular lpt??
[23:37:45] <somenewguy_home> man mesa really needs a "typical application" sketch in thier manuals to save idiots like me from themselvs
[23:38:34] <andypugh> Yeah, the 7i75 is purely a parport-style breakout.
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[23:38:51] <andypugh> There are only 17 active pins.
[23:39:08] <somenewguy_home> confusing to say its "designed for use with" thier cards
[23:39:10] <andypugh> The way that the 7i76 adds many more pins is by addressing them serially
[23:39:16] <somenewguy_home> since any pin on a mesa IO card is bidirectional the way I understand it
[23:40:30] <andypugh> Yes, but it is hard to make a buffer bidirectional. (though the GTL2000 manages that magic)
[23:40:49] <somenewguy_home> true, I learened that the hard way, as I had assuemd it was fairly simple...
[23:41:05] <somenewguy_home> but I was expecting like jupmer select or some such
[23:41:32] <somenewguy_home> the 7i75 is best described as a "lpt buffer board" as it will buffer a std lpt port connection
[23:41:49] <somenewguy_home> NOT buffer a 12 pin IO connection
[23:42:02] <somenewguy_home> annoying they refere to pins w/ defined direction as being I/O, rather than what htey are
[23:44:07] <andypugh> If you want a ton of IO and have very deep pockets, you could put the $69 7i74 on the second DB25 header for 8 serial channels, then put 8 digital IO cards on that, say for example 8 x $200 7i64 cards for 192 48V 2.5A outputs and 192 5-24V inputs. Or you could use the much cheaper boards if you don't need 100W per output :-)
[23:44:54] <andypugh> I have a 7i64, it's a lovely card.
[23:45:23] <andypugh> LEDs for all inputs and outputs, drives solenoid valves and contactors directly, etc.
[23:45:59] <somenewguy_home> I think the ULN2008 is obsolete? even findchips doesn't turn it up
[23:46:05] <somenewguy_home> LEDs are a really really nice feature
[23:46:09] <somenewguy_home> they seem silly till youneed them
[23:46:44] <somenewguy_home> I was hoping to find a daughter board that would power servos AND isolate digital IO
[23:46:54] <andypugh> 7i77
[23:47:02] <somenewguy_home> then I could justify buying that in a pinch and use the IO for now, and the servos in the future
[23:47:17] <andypugh> (Well, it won't _power_ servos. It will control servo drives)
[23:48:09] <R2E4____> servo amps are there to power servo's no?
[23:48:46] <somenewguy_home> I thought the 5i25 would do that
[23:49:01] <R2E4____> 7i77 connects to the 5i25
[23:49:02] <andypugh> I <3 Time Machine. I just accidentally deleted the git repo that all my machines share (nfs mounted, physically on the Mac). All I had to do was roll back the backup to earlier in the day, and everything is back :-)
[23:49:03] <somenewguy_home> unless the servo drives are unbufferd then back to square one I gues
[23:49:20] <somenewguy_home> speaking of which I really REALLY gotta get backups setup...
[23:49:26] <somenewguy_home> atleast I finally figured out github
[23:50:10] <somenewguy_home> also ULN2803 I assume is thenewer flavor of the chip you referenced andy
[23:50:24] <somenewguy_home> otherwsie I was looking at ILQ74s
[23:50:50] <somenewguy_home> oh nope, the 2803 is not an isolaator
[23:51:42] <somenewguy_home> woah how did it get so late....
[23:51:45] <somenewguy_home> to the MILL!
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