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[06:04:16] <Guest3351> hmm for locking the bearing nut on a ballscrew .. is red loctite to be recomended? =) i guess i will not remove the nut until i need to change the bearing ... :P
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[06:04:39] <Guest3351> the little set screw on the side is to wimpy to hold it in place and it works itself loose :/
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[06:11:51] <CaptHindsight> red might work, it has the highest adhesion available in an anaerobic from Henkel
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[06:30:54] <MrSunshine> mm was thinking red but then i will ahve to heat it if i need to remove it for some reason ? i should never need to until the bearing is shot like i said but =)
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[06:31:45] <MrSunshine> kinda annoying when parts starts to get ***ed up and you notice the screw moves like 1mm back and forth when the machine turns :P
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[13:49:49] <R2E4> I have 2.5, do I need to go to w.5.1?
[13:49:54] <R2E4> 2.5.1
[13:52:35] <R2E4> It says to see below on rebranding changes for 2.5.1, but it doesnt show anything.
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[14:31:04] <jthornton> 2.5.3 is current
[14:40:35] <Jymmm> jthornton: Are speakon connectors suppose to be waterproof that you know of?
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[14:42:02] <jasen> no its not
[14:43:30] <Jymmm> jasen: thanks
[14:53:55] <jthornton> speakon?
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[14:59:55] <jasen> yea , commonly used for stepping motor connectors.
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[16:22:01] <JT-Shop> the white plastic square connectors?
[16:23:58] <CaptHindsight> http://www.neutrik.com/en/speakon/ he might mean these
[16:25:09] <Tom_itx> if it were stepper he would be looking for at least 4 wire
[16:26:43] <CaptHindsight> http://www.neutrik.com/en/speakon/speakon-chassis-connectors/speakon-chassis-connectors/ up to 8-pole and airtight for audio applications (leakage 30 cm3/s at 10 kPa differential pressure)
[16:27:32] <CaptHindsight> current rating for some is up to 30A per contact
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[16:48:00] <JT-Shop> heh
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[17:55:50] <IchGuckLive> hi all B)
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[18:01:54] <IchGuckLive> !seen asah
[18:01:55] <the_wench> last seen in 2013-12-28 22:22:22GMT 19:39:46 ago, saying Quit: asah
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[19:05:09] <IchGuckLive> asah: Hi did you solve the pin problewm
[19:05:20] <IchGuckLive> i read the logs
[19:05:35] <IchGuckLive> you wanted to put 2 pins ??
[19:05:52] <asah> I made an out pin on my comp so I could visualize...
[19:05:54] <asah> =(
[19:06:06] <IchGuckLive> yes
[19:06:16] <IchGuckLive> and to a pyvcp led
[19:06:18] <asah> basically a pass through pin. this seems like a largish limitation.
[19:06:20] <asah> yes
[19:06:34] <IchGuckLive> and where is the problem
[19:06:37] <asah> it would be nice if there could be more of a DAG like connection.
[19:06:43] <IchGuckLive> anable=enabled
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[19:07:00] <IchGuckLive> or the other way
[19:07:09] <asah> so you could wire something into multiple locaitons.
[19:07:20] <IchGuckLive> yes
[19:07:31] <IchGuckLive> you can put a signal to more then one location
[19:07:33] <asah> basically a silent, inline, "or" node
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[19:07:49] <IchGuckLive> or2 is available
[19:07:55] <asah> right.
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[19:08:09] <IchGuckLive> so whee is the problem
[19:08:33] <asah> I have worked with a ton of node based systems that don't require a 1 to 1 connection between any node.
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[19:09:19] <asah> how do I connect an existing signal into a pin?
[19:09:23] <asah> I must be missing something.
[19:09:39] <IchGuckLive> net sigout pin
[19:09:40] <asah> signals are basically named connections between pins from what I can tell.
[19:09:55] <IchGuckLive> lets make a example
[19:10:45] <IchGuckLive> net switchx <= hm2_5i25.0.7i76.0.0.input-10
[19:10:53] <asah> are there limitations on that destination pin?
[19:10:58] <IchGuckLive> now switchx holds the signal
[19:11:22] <pcw_home> signals are wires, pins are nodes (only one driving node is allowed per signal)
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[19:11:50] <asah> but a signal can be a source for many pins?
[19:11:58] <IchGuckLive> pcw is wright for more use a OR2 AND
[19:12:41] <pcw_home> and the driving node is hm2_5i25.0.7i76.0.0.input-10
[19:12:56] <pcw_home> yes and many as you like
[19:13:01] <pcw_home> as many
[19:13:15] <IchGuckLive> loadrt or2 count=4
[19:13:18] <asah> so if I want switchx to drive 3 entities I would need to inline "or" nodes?
[19:13:19] <IchGuckLive> addf not.0 servo-thread
[19:13:19] <IchGuckLive> addf not.1 servo-thread
[19:13:19] <IchGuckLive> addf not.2 servo-thread
[19:13:21] <IchGuckLive> net remote-speed-slow or2.0.in0 input.0.btn-a
[19:13:23] <IchGuckLive> net remote-speed-medium or2.1.in0 input.0.btn-x
[19:13:25] <IchGuckLive> net remote-speed-fast or2.0.in1 or2.1.in1 input.0.btn-y
[19:13:40] <IchGuckLive> not0or2 Sorry
[19:13:55] <pcw_home> no it can drive any number of hal 'in' pins
[19:14:07] <IchGuckLive> as entries YES
[19:14:13] <IchGuckLive> as outgoing NO
[19:14:37] <pcw_home> but only one 'out' pin (like hm2_5i25.0.7i76.0.0.input-10) per signal
[19:15:02] <asah> I suppose that is the limitation.
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[19:16:06] <asah> it seems logical that a given input (like hm2_5i25.0.7i76.0.0.input-10) could drive many other pins in various ways.
[19:16:06] <pcw_home> well how do you define what happens when two sources connect to the same net?
[19:16:09] <IchGuckLive> is it a AND input or an OR
[19:16:14] <pcw_home> It can
[19:16:32] <asah> (I am probably being very confused here)
[19:16:33] <asah> ok
[19:16:36] <pcw_home> it can drive as many as you like
[19:16:38] <IchGuckLive> so the source maybe 3 buttons for one event
[19:16:50] <pcw_home> (its a hal out pin)
[19:17:13] <asah> so hm2_5i25.0.7i76.0.0.input-10 is a hal out or in?
[19:17:24] <IchGuckLive> in
[19:17:25] <asah> this is the source of my missunderstanding I think.
[19:17:42] <pcw_home> No its a HAL OUT pin
[19:18:05] <pcw_home> out meaning it sources data to HAL
[19:18:25] <IchGuckLive> pcw_home: its sourcing the interpreter from your mesa board so its a in
[19:18:32] <asah> so it seems that many other nodes should be able to be driven by that one OUT connection.
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[19:18:57] <asah> no?
[19:19:22] <asah> and you are saying I can make a signal out of hm2_5i25.0.7i76.0.0.input-10
[19:19:35] <asah> and use that signal to drive other HAL IN pins?
[19:19:55] <JT-Shop> asah,
http://linuxcnc.org/docs/devel/html/hal/basic_hal.html
[19:19:56] <IchGuckLive> the input from the mashine can necer source a out driver stage
[19:20:30] <IchGuckLive> i did this 40+ times yesterday on the plasmas
[19:20:43] <pcw_home> hm2_5i25.0.7i76.0.0.input-10 is a HAL out pin and can drive as many HAL input pins as you like
[19:21:05] <IchGuckLive> THATS wright
[19:21:13] <pcw_home> hm2_7i76e.0.7i76.0..input-31 0.000000 0
[19:21:13] <pcw_home> 32774 bit OUT TRUE
[19:21:14] <IchGuckLive> but it will confuse asah
[19:21:15] <asah> directly or through signals?
[19:21:25] <IchGuckLive> true signals
[19:21:34] <IchGuckLive> but in one line
[19:21:44] <asah> so I make a signal first, then push that signal into the destination INs?
[19:21:54] <IchGuckLive> yes
[19:22:08] <asah> but I cannot have that PIN drive more than one SIGNAL
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[19:22:32] <IchGuckLive> net mysig hm2_7i76e.0.7i76.0..input-31-not axis.0.home-sw-in axis.0.neg-lim-sw-in axis.0.pos-lim-sw-in
[19:22:54] <IchGuckLive> or
[19:22:56] <IchGuckLive> net mysig hm2_7i76e.0.7i76.0..input-31-not
[19:23:06] <IchGuckLive> net mysig axis.0.home-sw-in
[19:23:21] <IchGuckLive> net mysig axis.0.neg-lim-sw-in
[19:23:22] <pcw_home> net foobar hm2_5i25.0.7i76.0.0.input-10 pin_x pin_y pin_z
[19:23:32] <IchGuckLive> net mysig axis.0.pos-lim-sw-in
[19:23:47] <IchGuckLive> fore more then one line
[19:23:59] <asah> ok, thats the wall I hit.
[19:24:09] <IchGuckLive> one pin at my plasmas is driving all home limit
[19:24:38] <asah> I was trying assign the pin multiple times to multiple signals.
[19:24:59] <IchGuckLive> so you can go for all 9 switches in a chain
[19:25:12] <asah> so it sounds like signals are more like what I am used to to connect things together.
[19:25:38] <IchGuckLive> no load the signal and then drive it trou the destination
[19:25:43] <asah> I thought a signal was more like a named connection between two pins, but if I can turn a pin into a signal all by itsself, then connect it to other things later, that is what I am looking for.
[19:25:59] <IchGuckLive> asah: what mashine is it
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[19:26:07] <asah> 3 axis mill
[19:26:11] <asah> maho 400e
[19:26:20] <JT-Shop> asah, see the example here
http://linuxcnc.org/docs/devel/html/hal/basic_hal.html
[19:26:26] <IchGuckLive> drivven by 7i77
[19:26:28] <pcw_home> signals are like wires and pins are endpoints
[19:26:36] <JT-Shop> Figure 2. Signal Direction
[19:27:00] <asah> byt in the above example you have a signal only connected to a pin : net mysig hm2_7i76e.0.7i76.0..input-31-not
[19:27:07] <asah> so thats a very short wire =)
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[19:27:36] <IchGuckLive> this is the source
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[19:27:57] <IchGuckLive> and mysig holds the value
[19:28:13] <IchGuckLive> True if off and False if on
[19:28:18] <asah> that is exactly what I am looking for. the confusing bit for me was the signal definitions with multiple pins on the line.
[19:29:08] <IchGuckLive> humen reading is different to hal
[19:29:18] <asah> so I like your example IchGuckLive where you connect the signal to one pin, essentially giving it a nice named handle, then wiring it up later on.
[19:29:34] <IchGuckLive> agree
[19:29:36] <asah> Ill use that route. thanks!
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[19:29:45] <Tom_itx> a signal can source only one output though?
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[19:30:44] <archivist> if you wish to AND/OR outputs us a comp to do that
[19:30:51] <IchGuckLive> asah: are you running the 7i76e
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[19:35:20] <asah> no, I have servos, driven by a 7i83
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[19:35:38] <IchGuckLive> ok im off BYE
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[19:38:06] <pcw_home> (VHDL has output types you can wire together and get wire-or and wire-and behaviour)
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[21:18:46] <Jymmm> Has anyone tried PULSING a SSR by chance?
[21:32:44] <Tom_itx> Finally, an electronic relay can be pulsed very fast. Nope, we’re not talking about just switching on and off a few times a second, but instead being pulsed hundreds of times per second
[21:32:48] <Tom_itx> http://www.autospeed.com/cms/A_112737/article.html
[21:33:57] <Jymmm> nice
[21:33:59] <Jymmm> ty
[21:34:26] <Tom_itx> no personal experience
[21:35:14] <Jymmm> Yeah, I think I'd need a HUGE heatsink too
[21:35:17] <skunkworks> depending on the ssr - you may only be able to pulse it at the 60hz rate
[21:35:39] <Tom_itx> yeah, some are made for pulsing
[21:36:09] <eric_unterhause1> I would guess a big heatsink would be a good idea
[21:36:16] <Tom_itx> http://www.thomasnet.com/profile/00686451/schneider-electric-magnecraft.html?what=Pulse+Solid+State+Relays&cov=NA&heading=96219250&searchpos=1&cid=686451
[21:36:48] <Tom_itx> Manufacturer of AC/DC solid state pulse programmable relays
[21:39:26] <Jymmm> Eh $44
http://www.mouser.com/ProductDetail/Magnecraft-Schneider-Electric/6425AXXSZS-AC90/?qs=QXs58j9tPLt/c77DPHrD9Q==
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[21:41:09] <Jymmm> Heh, the heatsink
http://magnecraft.thomasnet.com/Asset/SSR-HS-1_W_CLASS6.gif
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[21:47:27] <eric_unterhause1> have I complained about grub2 today?
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[21:54:47] <eric_unterhause1> good news is xenomai kernel boots
[21:55:38] <eric_unterhause1> I hope my latency isn't smi related because the smictrl couldn't find any smi enabled chipsets
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[22:00:56] <eric_unterhause1> what is the regression testing doing when it says "recieves banana mango"
[22:02:09] <eric_unterhause1> what is linuxcnc dev chat?
[22:02:25] <eric_unterhause1> what is name of ^
[22:07:13] <Tom_itx> linuxcnc-devel
[22:07:17] <ries> eric_unterhause1: it's possible to turn off SMI just in case you are wondering
[22:07:48] <eric_unterhause1> ries: looks like bios only on my machine
[22:08:02] <ries> you lucky....... :)
[22:08:05] <eric_unterhause1> I am not sure I have the problem
[22:08:24] <eric_unterhause1> just installed xenomai to see if it's kernel related
[22:08:30] <ries> I run LinuxCNC of a old laptop where I had SMI, only way to get reliable pulses was to turn on all fans, then turn off SMI during boot
[22:09:13] <eric_unterhause1> it's been a while since I ran the livecd version on it, had good results with that
[22:09:31] <eric_unterhause1> at least as I remember
[22:09:44] <eric_unterhause1> xenomai regression tests passed
[22:19:01] <eric_unterhause1> I am building linuxcnc in order to get a latency test, huh
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[22:20:18] <eric_unterhause1> xeno latency gives me numbers I don't understand
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[22:21:20] <eric_unterhause1> have to go to the basement to see if I can spike it
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[22:29:55] <eric_unterhause1> darn, that did it
[22:30:15] <eric_unterhause1> 851 microseconds
[22:30:25] <eric_unterhause1> might have to give up
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[22:37:46] <Deejay> gn8
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[22:46:01] <eric_unterhause1> on ubuntu, does installing vesa drivers uninstall radeon drivers?
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[23:08:04] <eric_unterhause1> I forgot what a cluster changing video drivers is
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[23:17:58] <eric_unterhause1> I can't believe that linux is moving away from X
[23:18:31] <eric_unterhause1> I hope there is a schism that maintains it, because the new thing is going to be a pain to use from remote systems
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