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[00:24:02] <CaptHindsight> eric_u_cnc: we have an Asrock board that just wont cooperate here, 780 chipset and broken BIOS
[00:24:35] <CaptHindsight> was a challenge just to get it to run some form of Linux
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[01:04:08] <eric_u_cnc> this board has always cooperated
[01:04:24] <eric_u_cnc> I think they put random bioses on just to mess with people
[01:05:02] <eric_u_cnc> although ubuntu 10 would randomly lock it up
[01:05:13] <eric_u_cnc> 12.04 has been really stable
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[01:35:57] <nsp> how many limit switches are required for a good router function
[01:36:10] <nsp> my 3d printer only uses 3 but i see some router designs use 5
[01:36:44] <kengu> nsp: 3d printers usually use the switches for homing and not limiting for real
[01:37:15] <kengu> in router it might be good to have both limits (min/max) for each axis
[01:37:34] <kengu> depending on the size of router
[01:38:15] <kengu> http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?Homing_And_Limit_Switch
[01:38:27] <nsp> next question- i have one of those tb 6560 boards and they can only handle 4 limit switches
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[01:39:45] <nsp> oh i see
[01:39:46] <nsp> http://www.hobbycncaustralia.com.au/Instructions/iI19wirelimit.htm
[01:39:50] <nsp> looks like this will work
[01:40:53] <kengu> also 1.6.5 in the wiki page
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[01:58:57] <nsp> where can you buy nema 23 with built in linear drives
[02:05:29] <CaptHindsight> a linear positioner with nema23 motors?
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[02:07:27] <CaptHindsight> nsp: something like this?
http://www.powellsurplus.com/picts/Parker402006_a.jpg
[02:08:26] <nsp> no, something that is just a nema 23 with a leadscrew built in. I dont even know how much better this is then jsut attaching a normal nema motor to a lead screw via a coupler
[02:08:47] <CaptHindsight> oh a nema23 leadscrew motor
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[02:09:30] <CaptHindsight> http://image.made-in-china.com/43f34j00mvEaMzRWOOrQ/NEMA-23-Lead-Screw-Stepper-Motor-23HS-8HB-.jpg
[02:09:39] <CaptHindsight> like this ^^^ ?
[02:12:36] <nsp> it looks like that one has a coupler but yeah
[02:14:14] <nsp> do they make M11 thread size?
[02:14:39] <CaptHindsight> lots of suppliers
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[02:16:10] <nsp> im trying to decipher how to make this router and it says they use an antibacklash nut called a TR11 does that mean it accepts M11 threaded rod as the linear drive?
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[02:39:08] <CaptHindsight> nsp: an antibacklash nut might be something like this
http://buildyourcnc.com/CNCMachineMechanicalParts.aspx
[02:39:48] <CaptHindsight> nsp: where are these router instructions posted?
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[02:40:30] <nsp> yep those are them- looking for them on mcmaster now
[02:41:25] <CaptHindsight> others use a delrin nut with a slight interference fit
[02:41:36] <CaptHindsight> but the interference wears out over time
[02:41:40] <nsp> http://www.instructables.com/id/The-AnniRouter-v02body-only/
[02:42:43] <nsp> http://www.mcmaster.com/#general-purpose-acme-rods/=pyvx7v
[02:42:49] <nsp> i want to use these threaded rods
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[02:44:10] <CaptHindsight> just look for matching acme screws and nuts, diameter and pitch
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[02:53:40] <nsp> yeah i got the acme screw and looking for the antibacklash now
[02:54:38] <nsp> problem is in the CAD it says 11mm diam on the leadscrew motor but all that is available is M12 or M8
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[02:57:44] <R2E4> Hi all
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[02:58:15] <R2E4> Has there been a new stable release this year?'
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[03:10:15] <skunkworks> Jul 24, 2013: LinuxCNC 2.5.3 released
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[03:13:31] <nsp> anyone know what this nut is?
[03:13:39] <nsp> i cant find anything on it on the internet
[03:13:42] <nsp> Tr11x4
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[03:20:14] <nsp> anyone?
[03:20:23] <scotty_cnc> ?
[03:20:34] <nsp> anyone know what this nut is?
[03:20:38] <nsp> tr11x4
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[03:26:20] <r2E4> hi All.....
[03:26:25] <r2E4> Anyone up?
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[03:27:53] <r2E4> 40913 latenncy is good enough?
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[03:29:35] <scotty_cnc> i think the wiki says 50000 would yield OK results
[03:32:44] <r2E4> I guess I will load the hard drive then
[03:33:13] <r2E4> 10.04 the latest with the live CD?
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[03:34:12] <scotty_cnc> If the max latency is more like 30-50 microseconds, you can still get good results, but your maximum step rate might be a little disappointing, especially if you use microstepping or have very fine pitch leadscrews.
[03:34:27] <nsp> anybody know what a tr11x4 nut is?
[03:35:47] <scotty_cnc> nut for what
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[03:37:34] <nsp> for a threaded rod
[03:37:48] <nsp> looks like 11x4 is a thread pattern
[03:39:01] <scotty_cnc> looks like a mini threaded rod
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[03:39:19] <nsp> yeah i googled it and saw that
[03:39:30] <nsp> but it looks like its only available from some chinese company
[03:39:37] <scotty_cnc> yeah
[03:39:39] <scotty_cnc> look slike it
[03:40:07] <scotty_cnc> screwtech
[03:42:13] <scotty_cnc> worlds smallest cnc
[03:44:24] <nsp> im trying to make this annirouter
[03:45:06] <r2E4> I am using AC servos on my machine if that matters.
[03:45:36] <nsp> http://www.instructables.com/id/The-AnniRouter-v02body-only/
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[03:50:24] <r2E4> Ubuntu is installing now. 10.04 LTS
[03:50:39] <r2E4> To get my Hitachi VM40 up and running.
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[03:51:44] <r2E4> ANyone using Linuxcnc on commercial VMC?
[03:51:57] <Tom_itx> several are
[03:52:48] <r2E4> bought the machine got back in my shop, paid 6,000.00 for it and the controller is fried.
[03:53:01] <r2E4> They guy said, thats the chance you take.
[03:53:08] <Tom_itx> good candidate for linuxcnc
[03:53:51] <r2E4> I'm worried about the servo amps though.
[03:54:04] <r2E4> Most of the docs are in Japaneese.
[03:54:16] <Tom_itx> there's good help here
[03:54:32] <r2E4> I bought the mesa cards
[03:54:40] <r2E4> 5i25 and 7i77
[03:54:42] <Tom_itx> good call
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[03:55:56] <r2E4> They wanted 7,000.00 to retrofit it with a new pc based control.
[03:55:59] <Tom_itx> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mxxdq6y8z8M
[03:56:05] <Tom_itx> there's a well talked about conversion
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[03:58:35] <nsp> anybody here build this?
[03:58:36] <nsp> http://www.instructables.com/id/The-AnniRouter-v02body-only/
[03:59:30] <scotty_cnc> sweet 5 axis
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[04:00:11] <r2E4> Gotta reboot this ubuntu to get linuxcnc running.
[04:01:57] <r2E4> with the LTS whats roots pass?
[04:02:47] <r2E4> shutdown -r now spits "Need to be root"
[04:03:17] <scotty_cnc> cant you do a sudo or something
[04:03:27] <scotty_cnc> cant ya just reboot through the gui
[04:06:07] <r2E4> I sudo added password for root.
[04:06:10] <r2E4> bizarre
[04:06:24] <r2E4> rebooting now. c-ya
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[05:19:29] <R2E4_> anyone know how to get 5i25 in pncConf?
[05:19:42] <R2E4_> and the 7i77
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[05:26:00] <R2E4_> I fouind the update files
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[05:34:21] <eric_u_cnc> r2e4 there was something on the mail list about the xml files needed
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[05:35:55] <R2E4_> Yeah, I got them now.
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[05:36:04] <R2E4_> thanks
[05:36:13] <eric_u_cnc> do you have an r2e4?
[05:36:23] <eric_u_cnc> that's what I'm working on
[05:36:29] <R2E4_> Seemed to have misplaced my 7i77....
[05:36:49] <R2E4_> Yeah I have an R2E4, boss 9 BP
[05:37:35] <R2E4_> Rewired the iron for 220 single phase and put a VFD on it. Runs great.
[05:37:48] <eric_u_cnc> mine was gutted
[05:37:55] <R2E4_> It is crazy accurate
[05:38:01] <R2E4_> Oh yeah?
[05:38:08] <eric_u_cnc> no electronics
[05:38:30] <eric_u_cnc> unless you count switches
[05:38:31] <R2E4_> I bought the mesa cards for it, then when I got it powered up up, everything worked.
[05:38:48] <R2E4_> Was the servos still there?
[05:40:15] <R2E4_> I am using CAM and drip feeding it.
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[05:48:26] <eric_u_cnc> no motors or anything
[05:48:30] <eric_u_cnc> I put servos on it
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[06:14:21] <RyanS> Those DC sticks welders with basic TIG and don't seem terribly useful. No pulse, start setting, end setting. Is there any point?
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[08:11:53] <Deejay> moin
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[11:35:02] <ler_hydra> cradek, hey there, uh, do you know what power supply voltage you
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[11:35:21] <ler_hydra> *'re aiming for for your delta-structure mill?
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[13:46:00] <Loetmichel> re @ home
[13:56:12] <CaptHindsight> Enco has their 20% off going again until tomorrow
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[15:03:36] <cradek> ler_hydra: I think my power supply is about 42v
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[16:51:30] <IchGuckLive> hi all B)
[16:53:45] <pcw_home> Merry post-Christmas
[16:54:27] <jmasseo> hear hear
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[18:34:21] <IchGuckLive> im off BYE
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[18:35:59] <tjb1> Anyone know the difference betwen 608ZZ VN and 608ZZ AJ?
[18:36:02] <tjb1> Bearings
[18:36:35] <archivist> that probably depends on the bearing maker
[18:38:08] <tjb1> Both are ABEC 7
[18:38:20] <tjb1> But I can not find the VN or AJ anywhere except back to ebay
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[18:41:44] <archivist> abek 7 is a tolerance iirc, it is likely that is could be cage/seal/lubrication materials
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[18:48:45] <Tom_itx> zz is the seals
[18:49:03] <tjb1> Yes, metal shields
[18:49:14] <archivist> RS is rubber shields
[18:49:39] <archivist> but what kind of seal if any on zz
[18:49:50] <Tom_itx> ^^
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[19:12:24] <Tom_itx> AJ could be the angular contact of the bearing
[19:13:10] <Tom_itx> can't find those specific suffix's but:
http://www.isibang.ac.in/~library/onlinerz/resources/enghandbook4.pdf
[19:13:27] <Tom_itx> (big file)
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[19:19:34] <tjb1> Heh, I was looking at bearings from Magic that are supposed to be so good
[19:20:02] <tjb1> Made for longboards and have all these benefits...until someone asked what ABEC rating and the guy who is importing/designed them said ABEC Awesome.
[19:20:09] <tjb1> So not getting those.
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[19:28:29] <garfong> so I'm thinking of switching from mach to linuxcnc
[19:29:06] <garfong> I just ran the latency test for about 20 min and get about 20k jitter with me moving windows around and browsing the web etc
[19:29:43] <garfong> is there an appreciable difference to getting the jitter lower in performance?
[19:33:05] <pcw_home> Jitter will limit your maximum step rate (for parallel port driven systems)
[19:33:38] <skunkworks> 20k is pretty decent - as pcw_home has mentioned - what kind of step rate are you needing?
[19:40:24] <pcw_home> Does Stepconf chose twice the jitter as the base thread rate?
[19:40:25] <pcw_home> If so that would be 25 KHz or so max step rate
[19:40:27] <pcw_home> = 750 RPM for a 10 ustep drive like a Gecko 937 RPM for 8 ustep
[19:40:28] <pcw_home> and a (probably unattainable ) 1875 RPM for 1/4 stepping
[19:40:55] <garfong> umm 2780 steps per inch and I usually cut 60-70 ipm jog around 100
[19:41:37] <tjb1> Tom_itx: Hi,
[19:41:37] <tjb1> No difference, just an inventory control management tag indicator
[19:41:38] <tjb1> Thanks, Jim
[19:42:00] <pcw_home> should be no problem at all at those speeds
[19:42:07] <Tom_itx> did you find it?
[19:42:18] <garfong> thanks for the help :)
[19:42:32] <tjb1> Tom_itx: I messaged the seller, that's what they told me
[19:43:27] <pcw_home> thats only 4633 steps/sec, about 1/5 of whats possible
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[20:37:53] <nlancaster> hello, just learning more about linuxcnc, does it support slaved axis homing, ie to square a gantry during the homing operation?
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[21:19:33] <tom_R2E3> wohoo
[21:19:46] <tom_R2E3> just got my machine powered up for the first time
[21:20:17] <tom_R2E3> I've got some drift on Z and Y (Servos)
[21:20:42] <tom_R2E3> but I don't think my drives have pots to tune this out
[21:22:47] <tom_R2E3> how to I remove this drift before tuning?
[21:23:15] <cradek> surely they have pots
[21:23:34] <cradek> are they NC400s?
[21:23:42] <tom_R2E3> yeah
[21:23:50] <cradek> they have pots
[21:23:56] <tom_R2E3> :)
[21:24:04] <tom_R2E3> just powering down to have another look
[21:26:37] <nlancaster> kewl, custom built machine? or a install on an existing machine tom?
[21:27:03] <tom_R2E3> existing machine, Bridgeport boss 8
[21:27:33] <nlancaster> ah
[21:27:40] <nlancaster> thats a big machine
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[21:32:19] <tom_R2E3> that's exactly what I thought when the lorry was craning it on to my driveway
[21:38:01] <cradek> seb and I had to replace a resistor on each of our NC400s to get them to tune up, but I don't remember what the problem was
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[21:54:26] <tom_R2E3> OK
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[21:55:07] <tom_R2E3> manual says if you can't achieve a static condition with the pot, then you need to change the resistor to one with a wider range..
[21:55:10] <tom_R2E3> damn
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[21:55:51] <tom_R2E3> adjusted most of the way and it didnt seem to make any difference
[21:56:31] <tom_R2E3> does it need to receive feedback from the tacho for this?
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[21:58:43] <Jymmm> I *think* it's coming back to life. After I remove the surface charge, it's holding about 11.8V with no load. I'm cycling it a tad between a 3A load till it hits 10.01V and then charging it back up to 12.72V for a bit
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[22:06:14] <heathmanc> anyone use MESA pc-104 cardcompatibles? I have a single board computer with A pci 104 slot and need to know if they are compatible
[22:08:51] <heathmanc> tackles that first compatibles
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[22:09:38] <heathmanc> take out that is, damn autocorrect
[22:11:00] <heathmanc> I currently use a 5i20
[22:11:26] <heathmanc> would like a 4i65
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[22:26:59] <R2E4> Hi all, hope everyone had a nice Christmas.
[22:27:34] <R2E4> I am trying to get a linuxcnc up and running with a 5i25 and 7i77 board connected
[22:28:16] <R2E4> HEre is the error page I get:
http://irmtl.com/LinuxCNC/error.txt
[22:30:21] <R2E4> IT ininializes the 5i25 and then drops it right away. Other thing I see is it loads the halui, then shuts down right after that.
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[22:40:13] <Jymmm> HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
http://tinypic.com/player.php?v=2cqfz1s%3E&s=5#.UryvtGRDseY
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[22:43:24] <R2E4> hahahaha thats funny
[22:44:25] <ries> R2E4: I don't have experience with that board, but it seems like you missing some config?
[22:45:45] <R2E4> VM40.hal:60: Pin 'hm2_5i25.0.7i77.0.1.analogout0' was already linked to signal 'x-output'
[22:45:53] <R2E4> I think thats it
[22:46:40] <R2E4> I got some reading to do.
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[23:06:57] <JT-Shop> R2E4, where did you get the config?
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[23:13:15] <Deejay> gn8
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[23:19:52] <R2E4> I created it with Pncconf
[23:20:12] <R2E4> I went back through and removed the PWM for each axis and it started.
[23:21:22] <R2E4> I have to read up onhow this isall working. I am good with Linux, but dont understand the fundamentals of the linuxcnc. How it all ties together.
[23:23:11] <JT-Shop> did you read the basic HAL tutorial?
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[23:24:54] <R2E4> not yet. I am reading the getting started again.
[23:25:49] <R2E4> I printed the HAL manual, getting stated and integration manuals
[23:27:24] <JT-Shop> the basic HAL tutorial will make sense when you look at your .hal files
[23:30:16] <R2E4> I'll try and find that documentation
[23:30:36] <JT-Shop> http://linuxcnc.org/docs/devel/html/hal/basic_hal.html
[23:30:54] <R2E4> thanks, I just found it
[23:31:09] <JT-Shop> goodnight
[23:31:29] <Tom_itx> JT-Shop, got your cannons all polished up for the new year?
[23:31:59] <JT-Shop> hehe yea it is ready
[23:33:11] <Tom_itx> i was gonna ask about something i found the other day...
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[23:34:38] <Tom_itx> i pulled up the linuxcnc status screen... is it normal for it to auto scroll?
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[23:34:58] <Tom_itx> seems to want to either go up or down depending on if you're past the halfway point
[23:35:34] <Tom_itx> but won't sit still
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