#linuxcnc | Logs for 2013-12-15

[00:00:28] <CHNCguy> it looks like it
[00:02:40] <andypugh> Yes.
[00:02:53] <jthornton> cool
[00:03:06] <andypugh> You need to buy the little crimp terminals separately, and you need a pretty small crimping too.
[00:03:44] <jthornton> that's just the socket?
[00:03:54] <andypugh> Yes.
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[00:05:44] <CHNCguy> ill have to check that out, but I thought u could get a ribbon cable for the 7i73 and just terminate to that>
[00:05:45] <CHNCguy> ?
[00:06:25] <andypugh> You can use ribbon cable, yes. But sometimes individual wires are more convenient.
[00:06:42] <andypugh> jthornton: Bag of 100 terminals: http://uk.mouser.com/ProductDetail/Harwin/M20-1180042/?qs=sGAEpiMZZMuMCDEXnIBRnIk8qVTlOFUB
[00:08:06] <andypugh> You probably don't want to buy the offical crimping tool! http://uk.mouser.com/ProductDetail/Harwin/Z20-320/?qs=sGAEpiMZZMu6TJb8E8Cjr9Pwp7Y5qQgU
[00:08:47] <jthornton> ouch
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[00:09:21] <CHNCguy> haha expensive,
[00:09:49] <CHNCguy> can i play with the ios without getting the 12v to them? just for testing purposes, ill get a power supply for it tomorrow....
[00:10:53] <jthornton> are you talking about field power on the 7i76?
[00:10:59] <andypugh> jthornton: I use this crimper with good results: http://www.rapidonline.com/Tools-Equipment/Ratchet-Action-Crimp-Tool-Ht225d-85-0262?sourceRefKey=QtkkseedW
[00:11:38] <CHNCguy> yes
[00:12:10] <jthornton> none of the I/O will work without field power
[00:13:00] <jthornton> I normally use 24v for field power and the proxes on your CHNC should be 24v
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[00:17:40] <CHNCguy> ya I think they are.
[00:17:58] <CHNCguy> Hey John can u help me get those subroutines loaded into linux, the ones in this link
[00:18:03] <CHNCguy> https://github.com/cnc-club/linuxcnc-features
[00:18:31] <CHNCguy> or anyone ;D
[00:20:05] <CHNCguy> First off how do I even download these files LOL
[00:20:16] <jthornton> what is it?
[00:20:18] <CHNCguy> nevermind, I saw the right side LOL
[00:20:30] <CHNCguy> its aparently features for linuxcnc lathe
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[00:20:39] <CHNCguy> subroutines
[00:20:44] <jthornton> what kind of features?
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[00:20:59] <jthornton> use ngcgui, it's part of LinuxCNC
[00:21:18] <CHNCguy> how do i use ngcgui? I just got my motors to work here......LOL
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[00:22:22] <jthornton> http://linuxcnc.org/docs/html/gui/ngcgui.html#_ini_file
[00:22:54] <jthornton> all my lathe subroutines http://gnipsel.com/shop/hardinge/hardinge.xhtml
[00:23:18] <jthornton> so you add a few lines to your ini file and copy all my subroutines
[00:24:55] <CHNCguy> k
[00:25:44] <jthornton> my [DISPLAY] section of the ini file http://pastebin.com/pt6Jx9nZ
[00:25:58] <jthornton> anything with a # is a comment
[00:26:28] <jthornton> oh and this line too
[00:26:30] <jthornton> TOOL_EDITOR = tooledit x orien back front z diam
[00:29:44] <CHNCguy> k
[00:31:49] <andypugh> My lathe subs are prettier than ngcgui, but can't be assembled into a G-code file (in fact, no G-code is produced).
[00:32:50] <jthornton> yours does look better. how does that work with no G code?
[00:33:40] <andypugh> It uses fixed G-code subs, and calls them with parameters, rather than creating a g-code file that can be re-used.
[00:33:54] <jthornton> ok, that makes sense
[00:34:14] <CHNCguy> wheres ur subs andy?
[00:34:17] <jthornton> Dewey like to use helper subs with ngcgui
[00:34:27] <jthornton> I get confused by them
[00:34:31] <andypugh> (Though I am working on some mill tabs that simply MDI the G-code in from Python :-)
[00:34:40] <andypugh> CHNCguy: http://www.linuxcnc.org/index.php/english/forum/41-guis/26550-lathe-macros
[00:35:05] <jthornton> I do like the way ngcgui can concatenate the subroutines into one file
[00:35:43] <andypugh> Yeah, there are definite advantages to ngcgui if you make things more than once, and know what you want to make.
[00:36:07] <CHNCguy> true, that would work for single ops, but im my case with multiple tools and such, im not sure it would work nicely...expecially without seeing the toolpath
[00:36:10] <andypugh> My subs are more like a 2-axis version of manual lathe power feed :-)
[00:36:16] <jthornton> even for one offs it is faster than anything else I've tried
[00:36:51] <andypugh> Yeah, my stuff is for standing at the machine and thinking in metal :-)
[00:37:02] <CHNCguy> lol
[00:38:34] <andypugh> That's why I have decided I don't need a "proper" CNC lathe, the sorts of things I do suit the conventional centre-lathe layout and access for measuring tools etc.
[00:38:35] <jthornton> say for example I chuck up a blank and touch off Z then I can take a facing cut and zero Z, turn the OD, drill, rigid tap, part off etc just by filling in the blanks and telling ngcgui to use all of them in the order I placed them
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[00:41:18] <CHNCguy> hey jt im trying to install the features at the link first and see how they are, https://github.com/cnc-club/linuxcnc-features
[00:41:24] <CHNCguy> but i cant install python for some reason
[00:41:33] <CHNCguy> can u guide me through it?
[00:41:49] <jthornton> it's greek to me
[00:41:55] <CHNCguy> is says type in terminal sudo apt-get install python-1xm1
[00:42:06] <CHNCguy> says couldnt find package
[00:42:08] <andypugh> Wheres my typical process would be to open the facing tab, load my T1, jog close to the work, touch of Z to 1, then face to zero. Then realise I haven't quite cleaned up enough, so face to -1mm, then re-touch off. Then I might turn a diameter to Z = -20, offer up the mating part, decide to make it a bit longer, so do it a bit further. The way I work is very iterative and hands-on.
[00:42:09] <jthornton> you should have python installed, just open a terminal and type in python
[00:42:30] <CHNCguy> yup i got
[00:42:31] <jthornton> don't know what python-1xml is
[00:42:32] <CHNCguy> it'
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[00:44:38] <andypugh> I wonder if i could sell my l33t Google skillz?
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[00:44:59] <jthornton> this is my facing subroutine http://pastebin.com/AceSu1rH
[00:45:28] <jthornton> if I pass a 1 to the set z I use G11 L20 to zero Z
[00:45:45] <andypugh> Either other folk are lazy, or bad at google, or I am particularly good at thinking of ways to search. (viz the wire-end rounding tools I found for that guy on the users list).
[00:45:53] <jthornton> so I tell it the diameter and how much to face off, if it don't clean up I run again
[00:46:40] <jthornton> heh I see that now
[00:46:57] <andypugh> I used the mill with the big Y screw and the gibs all nice and tight today. Very happy.
[00:47:35] <jthornton> it's nice when things work like they should
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[00:48:21] <andypugh> 8mm tool, 5mm DOC 40mm/min, 600rpm, nice long swarf, lovely finish (in steel). The Mini mill would have wobbled and snapped the cutter.
[00:48:50] <CHNCguy> damn im stuck trying to get this subroutine loaded, can someone step by step this with me ;D
[00:48:54] <CHNCguy> https://github.com/cnc-club/linuxcnc-features
[00:49:01] <CHNCguy> scroll to the start 0
[00:49:21] <andypugh> Did you see my cnc-zone post about the games I had to play to fit the new nut? It had an unexpected ball transfer tube...
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[00:49:41] <jthornton> no, I missed that
[00:50:05] <jthornton> but I don't visit the zone anymore... too many commercials to wade through
[00:51:02] <Jymmm> jthornton: ABP FTW
[00:51:09] <andypugh> CHNCguy: Ah, yes, the Russian stuff. It looks really very good, but I have no idea how it works. There are youtube videos that show how poweful it is, but don't really elucidate how to use it.
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[00:52:18] <CHNCguy> yup, looks great, but dang...how do i install it!
[00:52:30] <jthornton> beats me
[00:52:34] <CHNCguy> I see the tutorials, but i keep getting 1n unkown command
[00:52:47] <CHNCguy> what is : (1n)?
[00:54:03] <andypugh> CHNCguy: You risk having a system that even you don't understand if you install ncggui + cnc-club "features" + anything else you find.
[00:54:21] <andypugh> I would certainly suggest creating backup configs :-)
[00:54:57] <andypugh> jthornton: Well, this was my special-order preloaded nut, 6 week delivery from GTEN.
[00:54:59] <andypugh> https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/XLMGb2yLNvqkK70U11MJ7dMTjNZETYmyPJy0liipFm0?feat=directlink
[00:55:22] <CHNCguy> yup I agree, but at this elementary stage of my build it wont hurt, I have every setting written down...
[00:55:26] <andypugh> thats a 16mm screw, a huge upgrade on the 12mm.
[00:55:45] <jthornton> nice, what was the catch to install it?
[00:55:50] <CHNCguy> andypugh: so what is the thing he is using gladevcp?
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[00:56:02] <CHNCguy> I don't know jt still trying to figure it out
[00:56:27] <jthornton> http://linuxcnc.org/docs/html/gui/gladevcp.html
[00:56:29] <andypugh> But wait! what's this? The nut has a tube not shown on that catalogue drawing, how is one meant to screw this into anything? https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/TToLLpPtd1N2Gx-mynggUtMTjNZETYmyPJy0liipFm0?feat=directlink
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[00:56:54] <jthornton> holy mackrel andy
[00:57:49] <andypugh> I am not a man to give up easily when I have spent £100 on a ball nut: https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/ku1VIKupjIF3SwbYoYN909MTjNZETYmyPJy0liipFm0?feat=directlink
[00:58:26] <andypugh> it works, too: https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/iwmInbQ6dhJEJzz6GOivzNMTjNZETYmyPJy0liipFm0?feat=directlink
[00:58:44] <jthornton> very nice!
[00:59:03] <jthornton> did you make the two halves then bore and thread it?
[00:59:27] <andypugh> Made it in one piece then split it with a slitting saw
[01:00:07] <jthornton> so it clamps on the threads?
[01:00:19] <jthornton> ok, I see the gap now
[01:00:41] <andypugh> The next issue is that the original screw just went in from the front, so can't be inserted from the back with the nut on: https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/ezpd2gtGljk1WyDEkfw9idMTjNZETYmyPJy0liipFm0?feat=directlink
[01:01:19] <andypugh> Yes, it clamps the thread. I never thought of doing it until I had to, but it's a really solid way to hold that style of nut.
[01:01:32] <jthornton> it looks solid
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[01:02:38] <andypugh> You can see in that last photo that I already solved that issue, using a taper and a differential screw. https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/qzxm1XbHqIUZS5GCtz1CCdMTjNZETYmyPJy0liipFm0?feat=directlink
[01:02:50] <jthornton> did you see the Yaskawa Mechatrolink post
[01:03:15] <andypugh> And https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/Gu1YtXinbAdzUHSIB5aBAdMTjNZETYmyPJy0liipFm0?feat=directlink then https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/i0nmI4mYbTEeNgR8m-_f7tMTjNZETYmyPJy0liipFm0?feat=directlink
[01:03:38] <andypugh> Yeah, that's another "open but strangely closed" standard
[01:03:47] <jthornton> lol
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[01:04:51] <Mr_Mayhem> So, any Mesa card folks around? I got the Mesa 5I25 and the matching 7I76 daughterboard for my mill, all the stepper outputs work now, so now and I am trying to get the analog 10v spindle control to show signs of life on a digital voltmeter. Its wired up to 12v in the proper circuit, and my 5th stepgen is set for spindle, but what else do I need to do to make it work? I don't see changes on
[01:04:51] <Mr_Mayhem> the meter when I play with the + and - buttons. The numbers go up and down in the test screen, so stepgen is working, hmmm.
[01:07:55] <andypugh> I had a very interesting problem, it took me a whilr to figure it out. The Y axis went very tight at the column-end. I initially thought that it was wear in the slides (which would make me sad), but it seemed odder than that, the table almost seemed to levitate at the column end. It was one of those things solved when not quite asleep. The swarf-shield had to be modified to suit the new nut:
[01:07:56] <andypugh> https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/5UZI2W8BDMIhhgEybHfF9NMTjNZETYmyPJy0liipFm0?feat=directlink
[01:09:11] <andypugh> Spindle speed isnt a stepgen
[01:09:38] <Mr_Mayhem> oh. Serial?
[01:09:49] <andypugh> Mr_Mayhem: I don't suppose you are the Mayhem I know from Ixion?
[01:10:19] <Mr_Mayhem> No, I am different Mayhem, hehe.
[01:10:50] <andypugh> Mr_Mayhem: If you list the HAL pins you should see three pins with "spindle" in the name (IIRC_
[01:12:20] <Mr_Mayhem> ok let me get the list up on the screen.
[01:12:24] <andypugh> I can't recall the exact names, but id you have linuxnc "live" just open a terminal and do "halcmd show pin *5i25*" and you should be able to see them.
[01:12:42] <Mr_Mayhem> ok
[01:14:16] <andypugh> jthornton: The swarf shield hole wasn't quite big enough, so when the shield hit the column and started to slide, it pushed the table sideways. As the left-side guide is a V way, the effect was to push the table upwards......
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[01:15:21] <jthornton> wow, I bet that was fun to sort out
[01:15:40] <andypugh> 45 minutes to disassemble, 30 seconds with a file, 1 hour to reassemble, and it all moved lovely.
[01:17:38] <andypugh> You might have noticed the rope in https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/ku1VIKupjIF3SwbYoYN909MTjNZETYmyPJy0liipFm0?feat=directlink which is suspending the whole table from the head so I can work on the knee ways...
[01:20:33] <andypugh> CHNCguy: You still there? I am sorry, I got distracted.
[01:20:39] <Mr_Mayhem> I see spindir, spinena, and spinout.
[01:21:03] <andypugh> Them be the ones. spinout is the spindle speed
[01:21:20] <jthornton> I see the rope
[01:21:40] <andypugh> There is probably a parameter for scale. halcmd show param *spind*
[01:21:58] <andypugh> Sorry, don't type the "d" there.
[01:22:05] <Mr_Mayhem> ok
[01:23:31] <andypugh> I am being lazy, I have a 7i76 wired in behind me, all I need to do is boot that PC.
[01:24:46] <Mr_Mayhem> Yes, spindir - invert, spinena invert, spinout - maxlim, spinout - minlim, spinout - scalemax.
[01:25:03] <Mr_Mayhem> hehe
[01:25:09] <CHNCguy> im back andy :)
[01:25:48] <andypugh> The last three let you alter the relationship between spinout and the voltage on the terminals
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[01:26:11] <Mr_Mayhem> ok, where do they ultimately need to be typed in?
[01:26:25] <andypugh> What spindle speed corresponds to 10V to the spindle drive?
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[01:27:49] <Mr_Mayhem> well, I don't know but it goes up to 24000 rpm. I know the vdf can scale it, but I haven't played yet to that level of detail. I am just trying to see my voltmeter go up and down at this point. I do have the 12v wired to the 7I76.
[01:28:36] <Mr_Mayhem> If I set 10v to be 24000 rpm that would be a good start.
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[01:29:23] <andypugh> If 10V is 3000 rpm at the vfd then the HAL file needs to include "setp hm2_5i25.0.7i76.00.spinout-scalemax 3000" to set the scaling, then set the min and max similarly to what you want the limits to be.
[01:29:47] <CHNCguy> Mr_Mayhem where in the pncconf did u set your spindle up at?
[01:30:11] <andypugh> (check the parameter name, I am guessing). Pncconf might know how to do this, I am not sure.
[01:30:19] <Mr_Mayhem> It was done as a 5th stepgen set to spindle.
[01:30:39] <andypugh> Yeah, stepgen, he be wrong.
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[01:30:52] <CHNCguy> ya i think thats wrong
[01:30:56] <Mr_Mayhem> ok
[01:31:03] <CHNCguy> there is a place
[01:31:11] <CHNCguy> in smart serial 0
[01:31:13] <CHNCguy> 3rd tab
[01:31:25] <CHNCguy> but my pncconf crashes when I set it to spindle output
[01:31:37] <CHNCguy> not really crashes, but just doesnt let me finish, gives me errors
[01:31:44] <Mr_Mayhem> I tried the only other spindle thingie I could find, smart serial 0. It always crashes the pncconfig.
[01:31:52] <Mr_Mayhem> Error
[01:31:54] <andypugh> I doubt it actually "crashes"
[01:31:54] <Mr_Mayhem> yes
[01:32:23] <Mr_Mayhem> I think this is the 3rd tab, smart serial 0, yes?
[01:33:00] <CHNCguy> yes why does it have it there if all we get is errors, we must not be selecting something else also
[01:33:24] <andypugh> Now, here is something that might surprise you. When folk write software they tend to choose error messages that mean something. They may not mean anything to you, but I bet that Chris would know exactly what the error message meant.
[01:33:27] <Mr_Mayhem> One would assume this, yes. Maybe we need a dependency.
[01:34:31] <Mr_Mayhem> Yeah, he would be the person most familiar.
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[01:35:33] <andypugh> The smart-serial stuff will only work if you have a smart-serial accessory attaached to TB3. The spindle VFD should actually be on TB4
[01:36:04] <andypugh> (I just noticed that the 7i76 manual was open in the background all along...)
[01:37:08] <Mr_Mayhem> yes, tb4. I assumed it uses pcm pulses or something. So what signal does control the output of the 10v output pot? hmm.
[01:37:31] <pcw_home> The 7I76 spindle stuff is part of sserial channel 0
[01:37:57] <CHNCguy> I see the pinout in the manual but nothing about how to select and set it up ;|
[01:38:17] <Mr_Mayhem> ok. That't the one tab I get the error on when I set it to spindle.
[01:38:31] <pcw_home> do you have field power applied?
[01:38:34] <Mr_Mayhem> at the end when I click apply.
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[01:38:42] <Mr_Mayhem> Yes. 24v
[01:38:48] <CHNCguy> I don't LOL Mr_Mayhem does :D
[01:39:14] <Mr_Mayhem> Both yellow LED are lit steppers work fine.
[01:39:19] <pcw_home> probably a pncconf bug then
[01:40:15] <pcw_home> if this is the latest pncconf you will have to edit the hal file by hand
[01:40:22] <Mr_Mayhem> I have the last cd image, but it seems the same as the one I dl in March 2013
[01:40:42] <andypugh> I am playing with pncconf here, having also found a live LinuxCNC VM also lurking in a background window
[01:41:30] <Mr_Mayhem> Funny what you can find just laying around on your system.
[01:42:00] <andypugh> When you get to the "Mesa0 Configuration" stage of Pncconf, select the firmware you actually have (probably 7i76x2)
[01:42:40] <andypugh> Then click the "accept component changes" butan
[01:43:25] <andypugh> (oops, using the wrong vernacular there, that's the gaming window where they use "butan" :-)
[01:43:37] <Mr_Mayhem> I think it said 7I76 x1 in the help page that showed pinouts.
[01:43:42] <Mr_Mayhem> checking.
[01:45:32] <Mr_Mayhem> yes, /usr/share/doc/hostmot2-firmware-5I25/7I76x1.PIN
[01:46:07] <Mr_Mayhem> under the help/ Output tab in Pnconfig
[01:46:15] <andypugh> Fine, choose that, then hut the big "Accept..." button
[01:47:06] <andypugh> Then Smart Serial 0 tab should have a 7i76-Analog Output sub-tab?
[01:47:16] <Mr_Mayhem> Done, it did it's progress bar animations, and is done.
[01:47:57] <andypugh> Then set the analog output to "Spindle Output" and it ought to just work?
[01:48:29] <Mr_Mayhem> No, it has 7I76 Mode 0 I/O Card Tab 0, Tab 1, Tab 2
[01:49:02] <Mr_Mayhem> They are all 7I76 Mode 0 i/O Card x
[01:49:03] <andypugh> Can you put a screen grab on imagebin?
[01:49:14] <pcw_home> different versions?
[01:49:29] <pcw_home> (of pncconf)
[01:49:46] <pcw_home> Andy is likely running master
[01:50:02] <Mr_Mayhem> Yeah, that analog tab is not there.
[01:51:02] <Mr_Mayhem> I can't do the pastebin right now as the box isn't wired, what do I use to take a screen shot anyway? I am a linux newbie.
[01:51:25] <Mr_Mayhem> I'd have to copy the image file over via usb dongle.
[01:52:07] <CHNCguy> hey
[01:52:14] <CHNCguy> u said u have tab 2 right?
[01:52:17] <andypugh> The VM claims to be "v2.5-release"
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[01:52:23] <CHNCguy> click smart serial 0
[01:52:38] <Mr_Mayhem> I clicked it.
[01:52:43] <CHNCguy> it should then say 7i76 mode i/o card tab 2
[01:52:49] <CHNCguy> its the 3rd tab
[01:52:58] <Mr_Mayhem> It does.
[01:53:04] <CHNCguy> k
[01:53:11] <CHNCguy> top drop down select spindle output
[01:53:14] <andypugh> And, in fact, Help-about claims to be "beta 1 version"
[01:53:16] <Mr_Mayhem> Unused analog input is noticable.
[01:53:23] <CHNCguy> click
[01:53:28] <CHNCguy> and dropdown
[01:53:32] <CHNCguy> then select spindle output
[01:53:42] <Mr_Mayhem> When I select this, I get the error when I get to "Apply" at the end.
[01:54:02] <CHNCguy> same here.... :( BOOOoooooOoooOoO
[01:54:14] <CHNCguy> hey guys how can we edit the file manually?
[01:54:17] <Mr_Mayhem> Yeah, that's how I feel.
[01:55:15] <CHNCguy> there has to be another setting that we are missing which causes the error, I don't have field power on right now so that might be my prob
[01:55:16] <andypugh> I always edit the files manually, FWIA
[01:55:22] <Mr_Mayhem> Andy mentioned an 7i76-Analog Output sub-tab, which is not here on my setup.
[01:55:39] <Mr_Mayhem> I have what you said, IO Tab 2
[01:55:52] <Tom_itx> catching up here... those terminals are C-Grid
[01:55:56] <Tom_itx> to fit the 7i73
[01:56:07] <Tom_itx> pretty sure
[01:56:12] <CHNCguy> ahhh i see
[01:56:19] <CHNCguy> one sec
[01:56:42] <Mr_Mayhem> I have to eject, I have a dinner to get to. Sorry about that. If you know what to do manually, please put it here and I will try when I return from dinner.
[01:56:46] <CHNCguy> haha i know now........
[01:56:54] <CHNCguy> i have ur answer ;D
[01:56:58] <Mr_Mayhem> ok
[01:57:03] <CHNCguy> ill type it in here
[01:57:05] <CHNCguy> have fun :D
[01:57:24] <Mr_Mayhem> thanks, I really appreciate the help, all of ya.
[01:57:31] <CHNCguy> ;D
[02:00:11] <CHNCguy> ********** OK so this might work ************* on the 3rd i/o table (I/O Connector 3) on the right hand side num 0 says unused encoder, you should select spindle input here. Then change the smart serial 0 tab 2 to spindle output. Then you will be able to test the spindle, if it runs here then ur good. I don't have field power so I can't test, gonna
[02:00:11] <CHNCguy> try it tomorrow. Hope this gets it working ;)
[02:00:25] <CHNCguy> andy, how do u modify the file to work the spindle?
[02:01:07] <CHNCguy> which file and what do you do to it?
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[02:01:57] <andypugh> Manually it is just a case of adding "net somesignalnameorother motion.spindle-speed-out => hm2_5i25.0.7i76.0.spinout" to the HAL file.
[02:03:49] <andypugh> You can choose any signal names you want, and anywhere you use them in the HAL file they will represent the same value. The pins created my the motion module (which include the spindle speed) are all listed here: http://www.linuxcnc.org/docs/html/man/man9/motion.9.html
[02:04:24] <Tom_itx> any reserved words on those?
[02:05:23] <andypugh> There are no reserved signal names. In fact I think that signal names can be identical to pin names, even, but that would be asking for trouble. :-)
[02:05:56] <Tom_itx> for any number of reasons
[02:06:56] <andypugh> Ah, no, HAL does refuse to allow you to do that "Signal name 'motion.tooloffset.z' must not be the same as a pin"
[02:07:01] <Tom_itx> andypugh, when you did your LCD were you playing with the 7i73 at the time?
[02:07:17] <Tom_itx> i ran across your lcd pic the other day again..
[02:07:19] <andypugh> Yes, the LCD is connected via a 7i73
[02:07:45] <Tom_itx> do you remember how the lcd shows up in hal?
[02:07:59] <andypugh> subtly
[02:07:59] <Tom_itx> or is it just io pins
[02:08:10] <andypugh> it is just a single pin.
[02:08:25] <Tom_itx> what interface was the lcd?
[02:08:30] <Tom_itx> nibble?
[02:08:32] <Tom_itx> or spi
[02:08:35] <Tom_itx> or other
[02:08:41] <andypugh> hm2_5i25.0.7i73.0.1.display
[02:09:02] <Tom_itx> so the 7i73 handles it?
[02:10:07] <andypugh> Yes, one byte per servo thread, (gives a perfectly adequate update rate)
[02:10:24] <Tom_itx> lcds are pretty slow anyway
[02:10:36] <andypugh> The "lcd" HAL component handles the formatting, and creates net-able HAL pins
[02:10:56] <Tom_itx> i haven't looked into it much yet
[02:11:42] <TangentAudio> woohoo, just got the first signs of motion out of the VFD driver i've been writing
[02:12:08] <TangentAudio> (modbus-rtu control of an Emerson/Control Techniques Commander SK)
[02:12:12] <andypugh> "lcd" looked easy when i started it, then I foind that there was no floating-point printf in the kernel, so I ended up writing printf from scratch on HAL...
[02:13:23] <andypugh> Right, I am going to retire now, in the hope of seeing actual AM tomorrow, and getting stuff done.
[02:13:26] <andypugh> Night all
[02:13:31] <Tom_itx> later andy
[02:13:33] <pcw_home> 'nite
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[02:15:45] <CHNCguy> nite
[02:16:51] <Tom_itx> pcw_home i'm not finding a pdf for the 7i73
[02:17:41] <pcw_home> google 7i73man
[02:18:02] <pcw_home> is there a broken link?
[02:18:23] <Tom_itx> ahh there it is
[02:18:35] <Tom_itx> usually they're listed on the product page
[02:18:39] <Tom_itx> i didn't see one there
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[02:21:04] <Tom_itx> ok i was on the store page
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[03:09:25] <CHNCguy> night yall ;D
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[07:52:04] <Deejay> moin
[07:52:26] <uw> MOIN DEEJAY
[07:52:36] <Deejay> hi shouting uw ;)
[07:52:51] <uw> oh thats right, im sorry
[07:53:02] <uw> I forgot germany is a quiet place on sunday :)
[07:53:49] <Deejay> ;-)
[07:53:58] <Mr_Mayhem> I'm back CHNCguy, Andy, in case you are still around tonight. I have a new screen for the spindle settings after following those pncconf instructions. Looks good so far.
[07:56:46] <Mr_Mayhem> Bottom line, you have to set the encoder input to prevent the error. I wonder, what if I have no encoder? Because I don't. Best I could do would be some kind of voltage coming from the vfd which corresponds to frequency/rpm. Hmmm. I will play around with this new arrangement to see what happens.
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[09:36:19] <vikingsraven> morning
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[09:39:10] <vikingsraven> got my machine setup and sort of running yesterday, its homing fine and the servos sound and run well. im doing something wrong after homing i tried to run the default linuxcnc but it comes up line 13 would exceed joint 0's negative limit.
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[09:43:18] <vikingsraven> i think i have to set a zero point that would reference some material but not sure how to do that, do i just jog the tool to the origin i want and use the zero x,y,z from the drop down, total noobies sorry if its baltantly obviuos
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[09:48:29] <Mr_Mayhem> The hint I use is look at the 3d screen different views to determine which part of it is out of bounds (the red rectangle is the bounds as set by earlier settings) Then touch off more in the opposite direction.
[09:48:38] <rob_h> vikingsraven, u probly neeed to set a machine postion, G28.1 normaly its a home point
[09:49:33] <rob_h> then set a work postion also probly, ie G54, not sure what demo program runs code wise you might need tools if it uses any
[09:59:07] <vikingsraven> ok thanks guys, the touch off is the sort of referencing button. sorry first time trying this software, linux and this setup. Huge learning curve. Did try the manuals but im dyslexic and it all mixes up!
[10:08:00] <Mr_Mayhem> Ha, well good luck to you. It is a fairly steep learning curve but its so nice when you get it all to work! Nice to see your own parts get cut when you are set up.
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[10:56:05] <vikingsraven> mr mayhem , thanks for the info, still having issues with the z axis, just need to get head around the axis directions.
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[11:15:51] <Mr_Mayhem> Basically you have a zero point in your drawing and final gcode file. You put the tool tip to the same place on the stock (usually the corner closest to home position) and this sets the machine to use the same zero position as your gcode file/drawing.
[11:16:47] <Mr_Mayhem> so both "zero" reference postions then become the same.
[11:17:05] <Mr_Mayhem> You make linuxcnc follow the convention used in the gcode.
[11:19:40] <Mr_Mayhem> so first you set home for each axis (near the lower limit of travel for each axis), then you touch off x and y on the corner that is considered zero in the gcode or drawing. Then touch z barely to the top of the workpiece somewhere, assuming it is flat.
[11:21:13] <Mr_Mayhem> The home positions become "soft limits" which prevent the machine from moving too far in the minus direction.
[11:21:52] <Mr_Mayhem> The upper limits are set in the stepgen settings, generally.
[11:22:12] <Mr_Mayhem> And are keyed from the home positions as a reference.
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[11:24:41] <Mr_Mayhem> So, the general idea is, home all axis near their lowest minus position, then touch off x and y to the zero point of the workpiece on the table. Then touch off z to the top of the workpiece. It can get much more sophisticated, but that is the basics.
[11:26:29] <Mr_Mayhem> The idea is, the whole planned motions in the gcode file must fit within the box you defined and touched off, without hitting the lower limit (home) or the upper limit. Or drilling into your table, hehe.
[11:26:54] <Mr_Mayhem> That for each axis I mean.
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[11:28:13] <Mr_Mayhem> I am no machining expert, but that is the minimal essentials I remember.
[11:33:15] <jthornton> vikingsraven, http://gnipsel.com/linuxcnc/g-code/index.html
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[11:57:51] <Loetmichel> mornin'
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[13:59:11] <CHNCguy> HEY HEY :D
[14:00:37] <Tom_itx> JT-Shop, what does .7 do differently?
[14:01:20] <jthornton> hmm I forget
[14:01:22] <CHNCguy> Hi Tom
[14:01:27] <CHNCguy> Hey JT
[14:01:46] <jthornton> morning
[14:02:20] <CHNCguy> So early.......:|
[14:02:40] <CHNCguy> hey JT your subroutines can compile into tool paths right?
[14:02:47] <jthornton> I've been up for 3 hours
[14:02:50] <CHNCguy> I mean complete tool paths that the display updates?
[14:03:01] <CHNCguy> Same... :| haha
[14:03:34] <jthornton> yes the ngcgui creates a G code file from your choices and loads it into Axis
[14:03:47] <CHNCguy> Do you have a tutorial for loading your subroutines?
[14:04:52] <jthornton> hmm, no but it is pretty simple to do... add a few lines to the ini and copy the subroutines to the /subroutine directory
[14:05:10] <jthornton> well maybe I do too have something
[14:05:27] <CHNCguy> That would be great ;D
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[14:05:54] <jthornton> no, it is just the subroutines
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[14:06:16] <jthornton> do you still have the pastebin from yesterday where I gave you the lines you needed to add?
[14:07:05] <CHNCguy> for some reason pastebin wont load on my comp :( can u paste them in a private message?
[14:07:44] <jthornton> give me a bit
[14:09:13] <CHNCguy> I appreciate it, I also could not find a suitable power supply last night to power the field IO so I will order one tonight. So I am currently working on the interface of linuxcnc for my needs
[14:14:33] <jthornton> I put my ini file in the chnc directory http://gnipsel.com/files/
[14:15:12] <jthornton> copy the [DISPLAY] section down to DISPLAY = axis
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[14:15:43] <jthornton> and the SUBROUTINE_PATH = ncsubroutines:/home/john/linuxcnc/subroutines in the [RS274NGC] section
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[14:18:02] <CHNCguy> ok, one sec let me try ;)
[14:18:20] <CHNCguy> is it the hardinge.ini?
[14:18:56] <jthornton> yea, I'm uploading the subroutines from the CHNC now as well
[14:20:25] <jthornton> do a refresh on the chnc directory
[14:21:09] <jthornton> I uploaded my complete configuration directory
[14:23:16] <CHNCguy> Remind me on how to make a fresh directory? Also the NGCGUI section under display says= /home/john/linuxcnc/subroutines/std.ngc would I change these to my path where the .ngc subroutines go?
[14:23:41] <jthornton> yea the path needs to be yours
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[14:24:23] <jthornton> if you click on Places > Home Folder you can navigate to linuxcnc and right click to add a folder
[14:25:04] <jthornton> some important things to know about using linux http://linuxcnc.org/docs/html/common/user_intro.html
[14:25:20] <jthornton> opps wrong link
[14:25:39] <jthornton> http://linuxcnc.org/docs/html/common/Linux_FAQ.html
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[14:29:17] <CHNCguy> thanks, so where was ur subroutines on ur site located?
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[14:30:15] <jthornton> the are also on my CHNC page in the CNC Machine Shop
[14:30:35] <jthornton> now you can download them from the files if you refresh the page
[14:31:20] <CHNCguy> ok trying to mod the .ini file not,
[14:31:22] <CHNCguy> now*
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[14:34:06] <jthornton> breakfast
[14:34:30] <archivist> past lunchtime!
[14:36:03] <CHNCguy> LOL
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[14:47:01] <CHNCguy> JT i keep getting errors saying file not in search path
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[14:48:58] <tangentaudio> can anyone direct me where to find the latest and greatest hostmot2 firmware, but not from synaptic?
[14:51:57] <CHNCguy> Still cant get it to work JT
[14:52:34] <micges> tangentaudio: zip files on mesanet.com webpage
[14:53:45] <micges> if not then http://git.linuxcnc.org/gitweb?p=hostmot2-firmware.git;a=summary
[14:54:10] <tangentaudio> thanks, found it on their page
[14:54:32] <tangentaudio> are you up to speed on hm2 stuff? i'm having some weird issues with 2.6.0~pre and trying to sort it out
[14:54:49] <tangentaudio> (current git as of yesterday)
[14:55:03] <micges> sure what's up?
[14:56:18] <tangentaudio> i've been happily running a 7i43 on 2.5.1 for about a year, using CONFIG="firmware=hm2/7i43/SVST4_4B.BIT num_encoders=2 num_pwmgens=2 num_stepgens=4"
[14:58:04] <tangentaudio> due to some other development i'm doing (modbus driver for a vfd) i pulled latest git yesterday and tried to get my basic config up and running on that.. the issue is that the stepgens seem to be taking up a bunch of extra pins which i am using as gpio in my setup
[14:59:39] <tangentaudio> the formerly available pins now show up as "Table2Pin" "Table3Pin" etc... I found reference to them in pins.c in the hm2 driver, with a comment " FIXME: these depend on the stepgen mode"
[15:00:38] <tangentaudio> one sec and i'll paste some text somewhere to show you
[15:00:47] <micges> ok, pastebin output from dmesg after start
[15:00:49] <pcw_home> Thats because Andy added table mode to the stepgen in master
[15:02:02] <pcw_home> its arguable that the pins beyond step and dir should be left as GPIO unless the config line invokes them
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[15:03:35] <tangentaudio> working one: http://pastebin.com/sK3BHW4a not working: http://pastebin.com/UjqAznHy
[15:04:33] <tangentaudio> pcw_home: is there a config argument to turn that on and off? i don't care so much what the default state is, i just need to turn those back to GPIO and get my stepgen's back to 2 pins only
[15:05:00] <tangentaudio> i did look through the code a bit yesterday and couldn't find anything obvious, but i only tried for 15 minutes or so
[15:05:10] <pcw_home> Not until the source is fixed
[15:05:52] <micges> ahh, Andy left debug code
[15:06:12] <tangentaudio> this is classic yak shaving, my main goal was to get my vfd driver written... which i've done, so now i'd like to get it running with my real config and not the sim
[15:07:15] <tangentaudio> i'd like to contribute my vfd driver back once i polish it up a bit
[15:08:00] <pcw_home> a fixed bitfile is a workaround
[15:08:26] <tangentaudio> i'm totally fine with a workaround for now, any pointers?
[15:08:50] <dgarr> jthornton in your ini, all lines like: NGCGUI_SUBFILE = /home/john/linuxcnc/subroutines/face.ngc
[15:08:52] <dgarr> would be simpler and more portable written as NGCGUI_SUBFILE = face.ngc
[15:08:52] <dgarr> because linuxcnc always has to find the file in the search patch: PROGRAM_PREFIX, then SUBROUTINE_PATH
[15:08:52] <dgarr> and SUBROUTINE_PATH already defines /home/john/linuxcnc/subroutines
[15:09:39] <pcw_home> If you are setup for building bitfiles is easy, if not its a 5G download of the tools
[15:09:55] <tangentaudio> the full Xilinx FPGA suite?
[15:10:01] <JT-Shop> dgarr, I'm not sure why I did that
[15:10:01] <pcw_home> yep
[15:10:03] <Tom_itx> yup
[15:10:45] <JT-Shop> CHNCguy, pastebin the exact error
[15:10:48] <tangentaudio> well, i'm not opposed to it... i'm a bit rusty on VHDL but it's probably not even that involved
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[15:11:29] <tangentaudio> are the bitfiles part of the hm2 firmware? i ask because i'm still using the same firmware files from my 2.5.1 install
[15:11:45] <pcw_home> its editing one file: PIN_SVST4_4_48.vhd
[15:12:05] <pcw_home> and recompile
[15:12:23] <tangentaudio> well i was actually looking for an excuse to play with the FPGA code anyway, so this is a way to force the issue
[15:15:06] <tangentaudio> is this reasonably accurate? http://tom-itx.dyndns.org:81/~webpage/emc/xilinx/xilinx_install_index.php
[15:15:33] <tangentaudio> presumably that's your site, Tom_itx?
[15:23:16] <JT-Shop> CHNCguy, I cleaned up my ini file http://gnipsel.com/files/chnc/configuration/hardinge.ini
[15:23:36] <tangentaudio> xilinx appears to be operating their corporate web server off of a 1200 baud modem
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[15:25:37] <JT-Shop> bbl
[15:27:14] <skunkworks> that fast?
[15:27:53] <archivist> I remember 1200/75 they could be uploading at 75 :)
[15:28:24] <tangentaudio> i started out at 300 in the mid 80s
[15:29:07] <tangentaudio> i don't think i've used any actual equipment below 300... null modems don't count
[15:29:52] <tangentaudio> at least my mom won't pick up the phone and trash my download like back in the old days
[15:29:59] <archivist> I used a teletype for a uni assignment, never knew what rate it was set at
[15:32:01] <pcw_home> WYLBUR at 134.5 baud...
[15:32:20] <skunkworks> I became conscious around 28.8
[15:32:25] <skunkworks> I think
[15:32:45] <CHNCguy> JT hi, ill check it out now
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[15:33:49] <tangentaudio> i was working at one of the first internet providers in my area by the time 28.8 was common... we had hand-built racks of hundreds of 28.8 modems, stripped of their plastic cases
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[15:34:32] <tangentaudio> what an ungodly mess that was, but it was better than having hundreds of wall warts and all those plastic cases too
[15:35:59] <archivist> I got an ex isp rack, that had cased modems but a common industrial psu and flying leads
[15:37:05] <tangentaudio> the common psu makes a huge difference
[15:37:46] <tangentaudio> our solution was about as slick as it could be... the guy in charge of that was an old retired engineer.. he fabricated some really nice cases out of clear polycarbonate, so each modem slotted in nicely
[15:38:04] <tangentaudio> but you still had a rats nest of serial and phone wiring coming out the back
[15:39:29] <pcw_home> Speaking of wall warts I notice On-Semi has a chip whose entire purpose is to discharge the AC line filer capacitor when the wart is unplugged
[15:39:38] <archivist> http://eddie.niese.net/20090313/dont-pity-incompetence/
[15:41:43] <tangentaudio> 2 hours, 1 minute remaining... oy.
[15:42:54] <tangentaudio> i don't suppose anyone is already set up with this that could give me a hand while i wait for the bits to trickle down?
[15:45:55] <tangentaudio> archivist: that is what interns are for!
[15:46:16] <archivist> :)
[15:46:27] <archivist> its the yellow wire
[15:46:40] <tangentaudio> that one with all the yellow wires is classic
[15:46:55] <archivist> we actually wired a raft with red wire only for a giggle
[15:47:36] <tangentaudio> i've seen chairs made of woven CAT5
[15:50:29] <tangentaudio> my download times are going up, not down... i think i better form a plan B for the day
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[15:52:23] <tangentaudio> maybe the better solution short term is getting my vfd driver to compile for my 2.5.1 install
[15:54:51] <pcw_home> what does man hostmot2 (in master) say about the stepgen, maybe there's a way to disable the extra outputs
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[15:56:15] <jthornton> http://linuxcnc.org/docs/devel/html/man/man9/stepgen.9.html
[15:56:45] <tangentaudio> let me check
[15:57:13] <jthornton> is man9/stepgen.9.html up to date?
[15:58:47] <pcw_home> This is for hostmot2
[15:59:17] <jthornton> oh
[15:59:34] <jthornton> http://linuxcnc.org/docs/devel/html/man/man9/hostmot2.9.html#stepgen
[16:00:35] <tangentaudio> " Each stepgen uses between 2 and 6 IO pins. The signals on these pins depends on the
[16:00:39] <tangentaudio> step_type parameter (described below).
[16:00:40] <tangentaudio> maybe step_type is the key
[16:03:02] <tangentaudio> nope, i'm already setting it to 0 for all of my instances
[16:03:28] <pcw_home> OK so its a driver "feature" in master
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[16:04:55] <tangentaudio> wonder how recent it is and if i could just revert hm2 in my git tree
[16:05:27] <pcw_home> its pretty recent (last week or so)
[16:06:36] <tangentaudio> if that's the case i could probably roll back the whole tree, it's not critical for me to be bleeding edge
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[16:13:29] <tangentaudio> is this the commit in question? http://git.linuxcnc.org/gitweb?p=linuxcnc.git;a=commit;h=ac5345e61e2dba5b7fe367907e454326d15779ce
[16:14:28] <pcw_home> yep
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[16:19:13] <heathmanc> could use some help with a 7i37 and a 5i20 Z probe
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[16:23:04] <heathmanc> anyhow, my probe works, can see the pin in halmeter
[16:23:19] <heathmanc> during pnfconf i selected the z probe ladder
[16:23:35] <heathmanc> and in the HALUI section the MDI commands are there
[16:23:44] <heathmanc> I need to figure out how to invoke this
[16:28:11] <pcw_home> is the input pin wired to motion.probe.input ?
[16:28:28] <pcw_home> motion.probe-input
[16:28:58] <tangentaudio> i was able to take the patch from that commit and do patch -p1 --reverse to back it out
[16:29:11] <tangentaudio> for some reason the man page reverse patch failed, but who cares
[16:30:13] <tangentaudio> the pin mapping in dmesg looks correct, now it's on to ripping out the stuff to run my old spindle and get the new stuff in there
[16:30:35] <heathmanc> it is wired to the probe-in pin
[16:31:01] <heathmanc> i can bring up the halmeter and select probe-in
[16:31:13] <heathmanc> and watch it go false to true as it should
[16:31:32] <pcw_home> ok so a probe operation is invoked with G38.x
[16:32:01] <pcw_home> http://linuxcnc.org/docs/html/gcode/gcode.html#sec:G38-probe
[16:32:55] <heathmanc> so a g38.3 will invoke the halui commands and ladder?
[16:33:01] <heathmanc> this is on linuxcnc 2.5.3
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[16:34:45] <pcw_home> I dont know anything about halui and ladder :-(
[16:35:20] <pcw_home> in a normal program or MDI a probe operation is invoked with G38
[16:35:32] <heathmanc> lol, ok.. this is for a touch off plate
[16:35:41] <heathmanc> z axis
[16:36:40] <cradek> I'd do that by O-call-ing a file containing the appropriate G38.2 and G10 gcodes
[16:36:57] <heathmanc> I'll take it anyway I can get it
[16:37:08] <heathmanc> the implementation is the problem
[16:37:20] <Tom_itx> tangentaudio that's my site but it's no longer accurate for newer xilinx versions
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[16:40:36] <tangentaudio> tom_itx: no worries, it seems to be moot for now
[16:41:01] <Tom_itx> i will try to post the steps for 14 somewhere
[16:41:37] <tangentaudio> i was downloading 9.2 but i decided to bail on it
[16:42:16] <CHNCguy> does anyone have any experience with loading gladevcp subroutines?
[16:42:23] <pcw_home> You probably dont want 9.2 anyway (unless you have Spartan2 FPGAs)
[16:45:45] <tangentaudio> i think the 7i43 is a spartan iii
[16:46:16] <Tom_itx> yeah by the time you finish downloading 14 ... (sometime next week) maybe i'll have some notes on it
[16:46:29] <tangentaudio> sounds about right
[16:47:34] <tangentaudio> i need to jar my memory to see if i can remember what it was i wanted to add
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[16:54:15] <tangentaudio> i've got axis motion on 2.6.0~pre!
[16:55:15] <tangentaudio> roughly integrated with my new vfd code
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[17:07:44] <CHNCguy> Can anyone help me get a gladevcp to work?
[17:08:53] <archivist> ask the real question in irc, none of us know till then
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[17:13:14] <CHNCguy> ok
[17:13:32] <CHNCguy> im trying to get these 'features' developed by a russian developer to work
[17:13:37] <CHNCguy> heres the link
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[17:13:43] <CHNCguy> https://github.com/cnc-club/linuxcnc-features
[17:14:10] <CHNCguy> my issue is that with me being so new to linux, some of his explinations are vague, can anyone step by step help me.
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[17:15:38] <archivist> I thought you were using ngcgui, there is support for that
[17:15:39] <CHNCguy> he first says move everything to /usr/share/pyshared/gladevcp/
[17:15:57] <CHNCguy> im using axis, and this is supposedly an addon or stand alone
[17:17:09] <CHNCguy> ngcgui is axis correct?
[17:17:13] <archivist> getting known stuff working first rather than bleeding edge
[17:17:48] <CHNCguy> Im not sure I follow ur reference....
[17:17:52] <CHNCguy> I got my motors working
[17:18:03] <CHNCguy> Don't have field power right now, will later
[17:18:21] <archivist> do you have the stuff jt told you about working yet
[17:18:25] <CHNCguy> but while im sitting here I would like to get these features to work in axis
[17:18:30] <CHNCguy> yes I do
[17:18:40] <CHNCguy> changed the subfile and they all worked
[17:19:13] <archivist> then that should be the same/similar as the russian stuff no need for both probably
[17:19:26] <CHNCguy> I don't want JT, I want the russian guys
[17:19:40] <CHNCguy> I can just delete the .ini lines
[17:19:53] <CHNCguy> JT did a great job, but I like the look and feel of the russians
[17:19:59] <archivist> none of us in here know that stuff though
[17:20:01] <CHNCguy> (At least from his video ;O)
[17:20:26] <CHNCguy> so no one ever uses gladevcp?
[17:20:42] <CHNCguy> it comes standard in the linuxcnc setup, even manuals for how to edit them
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[17:22:20] <skunkworks> it is relatively new to linuxcnc. You will probably get better response on the forum...
[17:22:33] <skunkworks> you could ask in his thread
[17:23:05] <CHNCguy> I have, yet have not heard back from him for a few weeks, yet he explains how to install it here...https://github.com/cnc-club/linuxcnc-features
[17:23:19] <CHNCguy> perhaps someone can try to install it and see if it works for them?
[17:23:48] <IchGuckLive> hi CHNCguy all ok
[17:24:06] <CHNCguy> hey Guck :D
[17:24:16] <CHNCguy> still trying to get this gladevcp to work https://github.com/cnc-club/linuxcnc-features
[17:24:19] <CHNCguy> wanna help out? :D
[17:25:03] <IchGuckLive> why glade not pyvcp this is easy to use and meeds your need
[17:25:34] <IchGuckLive> see page 92... in the integreader manual
[17:25:46] <CHNCguy> i dont have a preference, but this russian guy made a great looking feature interface and I wanted to try it
[17:26:15] <IchGuckLive> look at mine
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[17:32:22] <CHNCguy> So how would I do this:
[17:32:23] <CHNCguy> Move everything to /usr/share/pyshared/gladevcp/ Or better create links there:
[17:32:23] <CHNCguy> cd /usr/share/pyshared/gladevcp/
[17:32:24] <CHNCguy> sudo ln /full-path-to-git-repository/features.py -s
[17:32:24] <CHNCguy> sudo ln /full-path-to-git-repository/features.glade -s
[17:32:24] <CHNCguy> sudo ln /full-path-to-git-repository/subroutines -s
[17:32:30] <CHNCguy> sorry so many spaces***
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[17:32:41] <CHNCguy> How do i create links?
[17:33:03] <CHNCguy> i have tried to type this in terminal but I get an error
[17:34:41] <IchGuckLive> gladevcp is in the 2.5.3
[17:34:50] <IchGuckLive> you dont need to compile
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[17:35:27] <CHNCguy> I have 2.0.0 I installed linux from the live cnc
[17:35:49] <CHNCguy> at least thats what I think I have LOL
[17:36:00] <IchGuckLive> 2.5.0
[17:36:04] <IchGuckLive> you got
[17:37:31] <CHNCguy> ok, I remember u said to update, which I will tomorrow, i just didnt know if I could get it to work with my setup here
[17:37:35] <IchGuckLive> CHNCguy: so your lathe is running what has been the hint yesterday
[17:39:16] <archivist> you need to update first, else wasting time and effort
[17:39:25] <CHNCguy> the fix was the step timing, all parameters needed to be at 2800
[17:40:00] <CHNCguy> archivist, when I update, will it delete all my files? Never updated linux yet
[17:40:13] <archivist> no it wont
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[17:40:50] <CHNCguy> What is the process for updating?
[17:41:19] <IchGuckLive> idid get advice yesterday
[17:41:26] <IchGuckLive> to you
[17:41:47] <archivist> the update manager will prompt you for the main os stuff, you need to change the repository url for linuxcnc to be updated
[17:42:31] <CHNCguy> Yes I remember you mentioning i need an update, don't have internet to that comp until tomorrow, wanted to play with what I could till then
[17:42:43] <CHNCguy> how do u access the update manager?
[17:43:06] <CHNCguy> The last time I plugged the ethernet to the linux pc nothing popped up for updates
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[17:43:41] <archivist> it fires up automatically and will add a tab on the bottom
[17:44:18] <archivist> I know this having a newly installed cd running in the next room
[17:44:54] <archivist> you can also get to it via a menu
[17:46:18] <IchGuckLive> CHNCguy: gedit /etc/apt/sources.list
[17:46:22] <CHNCguy> is it under administration software sources?
[17:46:48] <IchGuckLive> deb http://buildbot.linuxcnc.org/ lucid v2.5_branch-rt
[17:46:50] <IchGuckLive> deb-src http://buildbot.linuxcnc.org/ lucid v2.5_branch-rt
[17:46:52] <IchGuckLive> put this lines in
[17:47:08] <IchGuckLive> sudo apt-get update
[17:47:14] <IchGuckLive> sudo apt-get install linuxcnc
[17:47:20] <IchGuckLive> DONE SMILE
[17:47:55] <CHNCguy> i typed that gedit in popped up a box which I can not edit
[17:47:59] <CHNCguy> readonly
[17:48:25] <skunkworks> sudo gedit..
[17:48:54] <skunkworks> (this could all be done through the synaptic gui also)
[17:49:06] <CHNCguy> Thanks skunk
[17:50:03] <IchGuckLive> Someone got a free android app for STEP view
[17:50:39] <IchGuckLive> om3dcad has no color within step
[17:51:39] <CHNCguy> linuxcnc is like a new language to me LOL
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[17:56:44] <IchGuckLive> CHNCguy: so you now got the new one
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[18:03:25] <CHNCguy> i wont be able to update till tomorrow,
[18:04:00] <CHNCguy> so lets say for example I have the update, how would I install these features? https://github.com/cnc-club/linuxcnc-features
[18:06:38] <IchGuckLive> CHNCguy: procedure is on the git side itself
[18:07:43] <CHNCguy> so heres the thing, I see the procedure, but half of the things he says to do, I have no idea how to do ;)
[18:08:01] <IchGuckLive> CHNCguy: i think y<ou will soon reinstall all as your features will kill the system !!
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[18:10:48] <CHNCguy> Im not sure I am following you Guck.......if I install features it will kill inux? Why?
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[18:26:49] <CaptHindsight> http://www.ebay.com/itm/370729400325?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649 ~$3K
[18:27:51] <CaptHindsight> http://i.ebayimg.com/t/JONES-LAMSON-TNC210A-COMBI-CNC-CHUCKER-TW237-/00/s/Mzk5WDYwMA==/$T2eC16FHJIYE9qUcNTrIBQ5%29eNPh0w~~60_3.JPG anyone recognize the tool holders?
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[18:29:23] <CaptHindsight> http://i.ebayimg.com/t/JONES-LAMSON-TNC210A-COMBI-CNC-CHUCKER-TW237-/00/s/Mzk5WDYwMA==/$T2eC16NHJGQE9noMZGd5BQ5%29eMG,5w~~60_3.JPG
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[18:44:06] <tangentaudio> off to play in the snow for a while. thanks for the help!
[18:44:27] <IchGuckLive> tangentaudio: does all work
[18:44:36] <IchGuckLive> the 7i43
[18:45:04] <tangentaudio> yes, i backed out a change that andy pugh made a couple weeks ago and that fixed it
[18:45:28] <IchGuckLive> good to know
[18:45:45] <tangentaudio> he had some development code in there for table-driven stepgen, and it breaks normal 2 pin step/dir operation it seems
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[18:56:58] <IchGuckLive> pcw_home: greetings for the new compile tonight for HM2
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[19:09:39] <IchGuckLive> im off BYE
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[19:28:24] <jthornton> CHNCguy, you need to learn Russian to get help on the cnc-club
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[19:58:40] <CHNCguy> hey hey
[19:58:52] <CHNCguy> haha damn, google translator? HAHA
[19:59:17] <CHNCguy> Well ichgucklive recommended that I get the master 2.6
[19:59:21] <CHNCguy> any merit in that?
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[20:27:47] <jthornton> dunno, but I did remember a guy on the forum is cnc-club his name is Nick IIRC. So you might ask on the forum...
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[20:30:06] <andypugh> I just realised, I have spent all weekend making stuff on the mill with the Y-axis scale wrong (5.08mm pitch leadcrew, set up for 5mm pitch)
[20:30:34] <andypugh> Luckily nothing that I made was critical in that dimension.
[20:32:20] <pcw_home> new ballscrew an improvement?
[20:35:27] <CHNCguy> this is probably a dumb question but does mastercam have a post processor that will work with linuxcnc lathe?
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[20:36:24] <jthornton> I'm sure it does if you have the lathe package and I assume you need a lathe package
[20:36:43] <jthornton> why would you want to use mastercam for a lathe?
[20:37:11] <CHNCguy> just curious
[20:37:11] <CaptHindsight> could be worse, you could be using mach and losing steps in Z and cutting into the table when you you thought you had 0.020" clearance
[20:37:21] <jthornton> lol
[20:37:24] <CHNCguy> haha true true hindsight LOL
[20:37:39] <jthornton> CHNCguy, did you get ngcgui working?
[20:38:05] <CHNCguy> I got yours working except it pops up and cant find the radius.ngc
[20:38:31] <jthornton> is it in the directory?
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[20:38:52] <CHNCguy> its actually not in your zip, i didnt see it
[20:39:06] <jthornton> http://gnipsel.com/files/chnc/subroutines/
[20:39:27] <jthornton> probability added it after I made the zip
[20:39:44] <CHNCguy> yup there it is LOL
[20:39:47] <jthornton> the ones in that link are the latest ones fresh from my CHNC
[20:40:12] <CHNCguy> your profile graphic is a little small, is this the same for u?
[20:40:18] <CHNCguy> cant read print at all
[20:40:57] <jthornton> http://gnipsel.com/files/chnc/subroutines/profilerad.gif
[20:41:02] <jthornton> that one?
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[20:41:22] <CHNCguy> yup
[20:41:23] <andypugh> pcw_home: Very much so, yes.
[20:45:47] * jthornton just updated the link on the Hardinge page to point to the new files locations
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[21:02:43] <jthornton> new Python Glade Gtk tutorial http://gnipsel.com/glade/index.html
[21:02:44] <jthornton> bbl
[21:04:05] <andypugh> That took some finding. I remembered that the workshop at Leed would CNC-turn tensile test specimens all in one setup using a metalworking version of a woodturning drive-dog. Apparently the phrase used for such systems is "constant face". I wonder why that is what they are called? Here is an example. http://www.roehm.biz/fileadmin/products/media/en/DC0000309.PDF
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[21:04:25] <andypugh> I am wondering if parts of a modular counterboring system would work.
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[21:13:48] <somenewguy> so I am thinking about springing for a VFD for my tiny desktop mill, but I will size it for the real sized bridgeport or equivalent I expect to buy in the next 1-3 years
[21:14:01] <somenewguy> can I expect good control running say a 1/2 hp motor with a 3hp VFD?
[21:15:04] <somenewguy> 3hp sounds like enough for me, this is a hobby shop that I hope to turn into a tiny jobshop kinda deal on the side, but deff not a production/pro shop
[21:15:24] <somenewguy> I just can't find any info that says if it is good idea to run a tiny motor with a large VFD
[21:16:43] <CHNCguy> well....
[21:16:56] <CHNCguy> single phase 120v input right?
[21:17:06] <somenewguy> single 240
[21:17:10] <CHNCguy> ok
[21:17:17] <somenewguy> probably on a 50 amp breaker
[21:17:20] <CHNCguy> I have used ac lenze vfds with great success
[21:17:46] <CHNCguy> no use rating a vfd higher then ur application unless u plan on upgrading the motor
[21:18:03] <somenewguy> well I do plan on upgradeing the whole machine
[21:18:04] <CHNCguy> U can get a 1hp vfd for cheap, 3hp starting to get expensive
[21:18:14] <somenewguy> so I don't want to have to replace my VFD when I upgrade
[21:18:51] <somenewguy> I was looking at GS2 series stuff, and the price does jump, but its not like a 1/2 hp model iss free, so I figure spend once
[21:19:16] <CHNCguy> well u can get away with a 7.5hp ac lenze vfd for about 500$, it takes 240 single in and outputs single and 3 phase out if you want, when u upgrade, its gonna be 3phase most likely
[21:21:59] <somenewguy> actually it looks like 3hp is as big as 240 single phase gests
[21:22:26] <somenewguy> at least on what I can find, do you have am odel name for what you are talking about? I'm on the lenze website now
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[21:26:25] <andypugh> Are you sure that you will want to disable the mini-mill when you have the Bridgeport? I would say that you might as well get the right-sized VFD for the Mini, then the right one for the BP.
[21:27:22] <somenewguy> probably can't afford to keep both, since I am waiting to buy the mill till after I buy a house lol
[21:27:56] <somenewguy> I'll be able to put the original motor back onto the mini mill and resell it pretty easy I would hope, but you have a decent point
[21:28:06] <somenewguy> best case scenario: I lose both my
[21:28:23] <somenewguy> real jobs and am forced to take up "building junk for other people" as a full time job and can justify all the toys on my wishlist
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[21:29:41] <CHNCguy> sorry back now ;)
[21:29:59] <CHNCguy> true I agree with andy
[21:30:01] <somenewguy> but with the shear cost of converting a manual mill to CNC, I am not too optomistic
[21:30:17] <somenewguy> well I can always buy a small VFD when I get the bridgeport, now that I think of it!
[21:30:26] <somenewguy> so I'm not painting myself into a corner lol
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[21:31:13] <CHNCguy> well here is something I have learned from converting lots of machine (my first one is linuxcnc I am doing now, but in the past with mach 3) make a machine, make parts, make money, then grow
[21:32:01] <CHNCguy> I have built 2 companies from the ground up, if you want to get bigger and afford more toys, start producing now, then a 500$ vfd would be nothing in the retrospect that you just made 4k for maching 2 parts with ur bridgeport
[21:32:23] <CHNCguy> but.....
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[21:32:40] <CHNCguy> up to you, but have fun! :D
[21:37:55] <somenewguy> hah I hear you
[21:38:50] <somenewguy> currently one of my jobs really is .my. company, but I don't do any of the real buisness decision making, and we don't produce a product as much as develop it, hence the tools I have right now
[21:39:08] <somenewguy> I only work so I can buy tools lol (and old cars, which give me another excuse to buy tools)
[21:39:17] <somenewguy> I suffer from a mild case of "the knack" it would seem
[21:39:33] <CaptHindsight> http://www.northerntool.com/shop/tools/product_623_623 anyone have experience with these as a finger brake?
[21:39:36] <CHNCguy> haha same ;)
[21:39:53] <somenewguy> it works ok ish
[21:40:01] <somenewguy> wait no, not that one, sorry
[21:40:18] <CaptHindsight> vs a real brake like http://www.ebay.com/itm/ROPER-WHITNEY-PEXTO-24-FINGER-BRAKE-DIACRO-TENNSMITH-SHEET-METAL-APRON-BREAK-/221319536426?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3387ac1f2a
[21:40:56] <somenewguy> I used the HF version, which worked good enough, but the roller was a very sad endevour
[21:41:07] <somenewguy> do you need to use it once a month or once a week?
[21:41:15] <CaptHindsight> I'd like to just make my own control cabinets vs what we pay for off the shelf
[21:41:45] <CaptHindsight> heh, gather dust for 6 months , then 100 cabinets
[21:41:52] <somenewguy> oh
[21:41:54] <somenewguy> yeah
[21:42:02] <somenewguy> you may want to stick to CL or ebay for a real unit
[21:42:29] <CaptHindsight> the Jet units just don't look like they would hold up for long
[21:42:49] <CaptHindsight> or the others at NorthernTool
[21:42:52] <somenewguy> but if your time isn't super valuable, it will work, I just think your time could be better spent, and the corners aren't super crisp, but I didn't use it too much
[21:43:16] <somenewguy> it won't just fall apart in your hands tho, you just gotta tweak it a bit and learn to massage it right, if its like the HF model
[21:43:26] <CaptHindsight> 25 ton 8' press brake for only $2500
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[21:43:58] <CaptHindsight> why spend $900 for manual Jet?
[21:45:06] <CaptHindsight> trying to find a nice TIG for aluminum sheet up to 8ga
[21:45:59] <CaptHindsight> can't decide between Syncrowave or Dynasty
[21:46:47] <somenewguy> I've heard ppl who love thier syncrowaves, but thats as far as my input goes there
[21:47:18] <somenewguy> I own a TIG that is 25 years older than me, so not much help there
[21:47:20] <CaptHindsight> they are very popular
[21:47:32] <CaptHindsight> lots of older HF units on ebay
[21:47:42] <somenewguy> I would check out weldweb or weldingweb for better info
[21:47:44] <somenewguy> ehhhh
[21:47:49] <somenewguy> I would NEVER use a HF welder
[21:47:52] <somenewguy> and I am a cheap bastard
[21:47:57] <CaptHindsight> heh
[21:47:57] <jdh> heh... high freq
[21:48:18] <somenewguy> half my shop is HF, but still I have had horrible experience with even older craftsman welders and will no longer buy anything but the big three
[21:48:23] <somenewguy> hobart lincoln and
[21:48:25] <somenewguy> uhhh
[21:48:26] <somenewguy> miller
[21:48:33] <jdh> does HF have any AC TIG?
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[21:48:52] <somenewguy> however I have heard TIG machines from off brands are actually pretty decent machines, and I have heard that from ppl I trust on the issue
[21:49:01] <CaptHindsight> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Miller-Shopmaster-300-Welder-TIG-MIG-Stick-HF-Unit-Torch-Cooler-MIG-Feeder-/190998747082?pt=BI_Welders&hash=item2c786997ca
[21:49:03] <somenewguy> but still not gonna waste my money on a HF
[21:49:08] <CaptHindsight> ^^ MIller HF
[21:49:19] <somenewguy> hahahahah
[21:49:29] <somenewguy> sorry
[21:49:55] <CaptHindsight> not the Harbor :)
[21:50:05] <somenewguy> had me scared for a while there
[21:50:16] <somenewguy> I recently failed to talk a friend out of buying a HF mig welder
[21:50:25] <somenewguy> I am not gonna be answering his calls when he wants help later...
[21:50:53] <CaptHindsight> in China the mindset is that you want a welder you can carry on a scooter and lasts for 1 year
[21:50:58] <somenewguy> I 'learned' on one of those machines, the guy teaching me told me it was decent
[21:51:07] <jdh> 20% duty cycle
[21:51:14] <CaptHindsight> so there are lots of units under $300 US
[21:51:48] <somenewguy> I still have no idea really how to TIG, stainleiss is a PITA, but I'll get it eventually
[21:52:00] <CaptHindsight> yeah, I have an old Solar MIG like that, good for sheet metal
[21:52:08] <somenewguy> all I have learned is I am glad I did not sell the water cooled setup that came w/ the rig
[21:52:11] <CaptHindsight> low duty cycle
[21:52:32] <CaptHindsight> yeah, lots of the older water cooled units around
[21:52:35] <somenewguy> esp in my unheated shop, when its below 40 degs, its nice to have a welding CABLE not a welding ROD on the back of the torch head lol
[21:52:55] <CaptHindsight> the syncros tend to sell for near the price of new around here
[21:54:37] <somenewguy> where are you at?
[21:54:45] <CaptHindsight> Chicago
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[21:59:02] <CaptHindsight> Miller HF251D for $500
[21:59:13] <CaptHindsight> must have some issues
[21:59:53] <jdh> anyone have a cnc3020 router?
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[22:08:31] <somenewguy> I bet it does
[22:08:55] <somenewguy> mine doesn't have any solid state electronics in it, so I felt confident if it worked, it worked period lol
[22:09:09] <somenewguy> the fact it has selenium diodes instead of vacuum tubes is a selling point tho
[22:09:39] <somenewguy> sticky pedal turned out to be the only real big issue, along w/ some minor customizations done to make it use a modern pedal
[22:12:03] <CaptHindsight> but don't audiophiles still prefer tubes over "Silicon Diodes" :)
[22:12:43] <pcw_home> Better welding fidelity
[22:13:06] <t12> warmer mids
[22:13:16] <Deejay> gn8
[22:13:22] <t12> fine weld structure more aesthetically pleasing
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[22:14:04] <CaptHindsight> now I wonder if Monster also makes $1000 welding cables
[22:15:12] <somenewguy> haha
[22:15:33] <CaptHindsight> it was Denon with the way overpriced cables
[22:15:51] <CaptHindsight> http://www.amazon.com/Denon-AKDL1-Dedicated-Link-Cable/dp/B000I1X6PM/ref=cm_cr_pr_product_top
[22:17:02] <andypugh> CaptHindsight: I have one of those shear/brake/rolls. It's OK for folding, but the shear only really does thin material.
[22:17:12] <andypugh> And I dodn't pay $700
[22:18:12] <andypugh> http://www.axminster.co.uk/750mm-sheet-metal-worker Oh! Perhaps I dis!
[22:18:16] <andypugh> (did)
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[22:30:46] <CaptHindsight> andypugh: any ideas for a polisher for the end of polymer lighguides? maybe 1 x 2cm
[22:30:56] <CaptHindsight> light guides
[22:31:53] <andypugh> One-off or industrial?
[22:32:06] <CaptHindsight> industrial
[22:32:37] <andypugh> Maybe abrasive (diamond?) then a final flame polish?
[22:32:50] <CaptHindsight> thinking about making good enough to actually shape optics
[22:33:04] <CaptHindsight> light guide with lens on the end
[22:33:45] <CaptHindsight> then again some optics that work well enough are cheap
[22:33:45] <andypugh> I did a one-off thing (laser clock) and getting the right surface finish is a challenge.
[22:34:56] <uw> laser clock?
[22:35:07] <uw> wheres pictures of that i want to se
[22:35:38] <CaptHindsight> I'm working on inkjetting the photopolymer well enough to make a lens, but I need to polish something now
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[22:39:16] <CaptHindsight> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7hkYeJzuR1w eyeglass polishers are just edgers
[22:39:59] <CaptHindsight> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9LbdlK6twO8 this looks familiar for grinding lenses
[22:40:57] <andypugh> uw: It needed a flatter wall: http://www.atp.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/BigHand.jpg
[22:41:19] <CaptHindsight> nice
[22:42:01] <andypugh> I should try it again with steppers and a custom circuit rather than trying to use a standard clock mechanism.
[22:42:31] <uw> lol that looks pretty cool andypugh!
[22:42:34] <uw> honestly
[22:42:38] <andypugh> All done with concentric glass tubes: http://www.atp.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/CanYouTellWhatItIsYet.jpg
[22:43:10] <andypugh> Ideally it would be mounted in the wall, rather than in a frying pan, but that was a rented house :-)
[22:43:25] <uw> is that a frying pan
[22:44:06] <somenewguy> what material? MEK or acetone polishing is failrly simple if you are smart
[22:44:24] <uw> lol yes it is i didnt see your post before i posted
[22:46:03] <CaptHindsight> somenewguy: I want to contour not just polish smooth. I make the polymers
[22:46:14] <CaptHindsight> epoxies and urethanes btw
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[22:47:00] <somenewguy> ah, well out my league, I was thinking you wanted to just round em off then make them optically clear again
[22:47:38] <CaptHindsight> cnc lens grinder
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[23:09:14] <Tom_itx> pcw_home is there any reason to use older webpacks now like 9.2 etc?
[23:10:05] <Tom_itx> and
[23:10:19] <Tom_itx> would someone care to critique this for accuracy: http://tom-itx.dyndns.org:81/~webpage/emc/xilinx/xilinx14_install_index.php
[23:11:24] <pcw_home> only for spartan2 (5I20, 4I65)
[23:11:37] <Tom_itx> well, i'll leave the old one up then
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[23:14:12] <jthornton> well I wish I knew what I was reading
[23:14:24] <Tom_itx> try it once then you will
[23:14:48] <jthornton> lol, been diving into Python Glade and Gtk the last few days
[23:14:55] <jthornton> I have a new tutorial
[23:15:18] <jthornton> http://gnipsel.com/glade/index.html
[23:15:31] <jthornton> learned a lot lately about all that stuff
[23:16:21] <Mr_Mayhem> Your stuff was the only tutorial that worked for me, thanks. I was setting up my Mesa cards, 5i25, 7i76.
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[23:16:36] <jthornton> your welcome
[23:17:15] <Mr_Mayhem> We need more of that kind of thing, short, concise, step by steps. Good stuff.
[23:17:40] <Mr_Mayhem> I want to update Linuxcnc from 2.5.0 to 2.5.3. My cnc computer is offline. Is there a way to update via usb dongle by copying the necessary files to my cnc computer from my windows laptop? What files would I need to get? Without recompiling stuff? I can bring the cnc computer online, but it's a pain.
[23:17:40] <jthornton> I'm actually working on a 5i25 configuration wizard that should be as easy if not easier than the Stepconf Wizard
[23:17:54] <jthornton> let me get you the link
[23:18:04] <CHNCguy> welcome back mrmayhem got ur spindle to work?
[23:18:14] <Mr_Mayhem> Cool. Get the spindle control stuff in there, that's where I got stuck after the basics.
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[23:18:51] <Mr_Mayhem> Well, I forum to Chris, and he said update to 2.5.3 and it should fit it.
[23:20:01] <Mr_Mayhem> http://www.linuxcnc.org/index.php/english/forum/39-pncconf/27052-5i257i76-spindle-and-encoder-setup down at the bottom is my msg last night to chris and his reply.
[23:20:49] <jthornton> Mr_Mayhem, this is a clue http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?InstallingUpdates#On_Ubuntu_without_an_internet_connection
[23:21:09] <jthornton> deb's are here http://buildbot.linuxcnc.org/
[23:21:18] <Mr_Mayhem> Thanks.
[23:21:46] <CHNCguy> yup i have to update also Mr_Mayhem ;) gonna do it tomorrow ;D
[23:21:47] <jthornton> well actually here http://buildbot.linuxcnc.org/dists/
[23:22:06] <Mr_Mayhem> So for a complete linux newbie, almost anyway, I download what again, the binaries I suppose?
[23:22:24] <CHNCguy> lol this is where I was stuck
[23:22:31] <jthornton> the deb
[23:22:34] <CHNCguy> u have to go into terminal and load a file
[23:22:45] <jthornton> if you can string a line to your computer that is the easy way
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[23:23:28] <CHNCguy> how do u 'string' a line?
[23:23:48] <jthornton> well you tie it to a pole and unreel it
[23:23:50] <Mr_Mayhem> I see. does the deb require a compile sequence, or a pile of commands to make it go? Maybe I will become a wire stringer today. :-)
[23:23:58] <CHNCguy> lol
[23:24:04] <jthornton> no just one command in the termial
[23:24:07] <andypugh> Well, it's got to be wet string, or the ethernet signals can't make it all the way.
[23:24:16] <jthornton> http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?InstallingUpdates#On_Ubuntu_without_an_internet_connection
[23:24:22] <jthornton> sudo dpkg -i filename.deb
[23:24:41] <Mr_Mayhem> oh, that's not too bad so far.
[23:25:24] <jthornton> so if you get http://buildbot.linuxcnc.org/dists/lucid/v2.5_branch-rt/binary-i386/linuxcnc-doc-en_2.5.3.78.g5901d68_all.deb
[23:25:48] <jthornton> if your on lucid lucky duck or something like that 10.04 to me
[23:26:21] <jthornton> and install the package with the dpkg line that is it
[23:26:33] <Mr_Mayhem> Ok I am downloading it now. I was on the 10.4 2.5.0 live cd installed on the cnc computer hd.
[23:28:32] <Mr_Mayhem> Thanks, I will give that a go and see what I break, I mean, see what happens.
[23:32:21] <ju-emb> jthornton: How deep are you in the Python stuff?
[23:33:01] <jthornton> medium rare I think, why do you ask
[23:33:52] <ju-emb> we got LCNC working on 12.04 but that one has another Python libs
[23:34:09] <jthornton> and?
[23:34:37] <ju-emb> The hal widged's doesn't work for me on 12.04
[23:35:28] <ju-emb> so I think I have to go into it and adopt it to the new Python Philosophy of glade widged's
[23:35:57] <ju-emb> but I'm new to python too
[23:36:07] <jthornton> 12.04 uses Python 2.7?
[23:36:33] <ju-emb> let me check that
[23:36:36] <jthornton> I don't have 12.04 running anywhere it is butt ugly
[23:37:13] <ju-emb> not that much if you install gnome-session-fallback
[23:37:54] <ju-emb> with that package you have the same look and feel as before
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[23:39:43] <ju-emb> I don't use unity on 12.04 it's as you say
[23:40:12] <cradek> xubuntu gives a fairly normal desktop
[23:41:13] <ju-emb> but it has a mouse on the screen
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[23:54:43] <Mr_Mayhem> Quick dumb question: I think I updated using a deb file, but how do I tell what version of linuxcnc I have? The Gdebi updater says I have 2.5.3, but Axis says 2.5.0.
[23:57:24] <Mr_Mayhem> Synaptic Package Manager says, so I guess 2.5.0. Hmmm.
[23:59:08] <Mr_Mayhem> I ran $ sudo dpkg -i filename.deb, replaced filename.deb with the deb I downloaded for linuxcnc 2.5.3