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[00:02:54] <Jymmm> JT_Shop: Next time... PUT THE SEAT DOWN!!!
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[00:11:58] <MacGalempsy> anyone got a moment to look at that link I posted earlier to maybe give some motor tuning advice?
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[00:24:33] <andypugh> Try some D
[00:26:03] <andypugh> But a very small amount. You are looking at micro-inches per ms, so start with a very small mumber.
[00:26:52] <andypugh> Like, start at .000001 then 0.00001 and watch how it goes.
[00:27:12] <MacGalempsy> that is to kill the initial spike, right?
[00:27:30] <andypugh> it's to damp the whole response
[00:28:29] <andypugh> If it makes things worse, try a negative number, then I will try to remember what misconfiguration meant that I needed that :-)
[00:29:23] <andypugh> It is instructional to play with a bare motor with only D-gain.
[00:29:27] <MacGalempsy> andypugh: have you had any luck with the autotune PID?
[00:30:09] <andypugh> I have never tried it, but I have the impression that it only ever worked for the guy who submitted it. I might be wrong.
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[00:30:23] <MacGalempsy> hah. ok
[00:30:29] <andypugh> It's a great idea.
[00:32:13] <andypugh> I tune loops for a job, but nasty ones where the normal tools don't work.
[00:33:12] <andypugh> I have been working on this oil pump controller for 18 months.
[00:33:17] <MacGalempsy> cool. I tuned the PID on my heated bed on the cnc gluegun, but this takes the cake. the ferror seemed to get better
[00:33:25] <MacGalempsy> oh, dang.
[00:34:18] <MacGalempsy> need to figure out how to export the PID data from halscope because there are a few free PID tuning softwares that could help
[00:34:37] <andypugh> My P gain is the product of two 16x16 maps, the D gain the same. The Igain is the product of 3 maps. I am not sure that this enough to cover the complexity of the system response.
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[00:36:48] <andypugh> So, in theory, I have 192 P numbes, 192 D numbers and 288 I numbers to get right. In practice I flat-map a lot of it.
[00:40:08] <andypugh> But given that I control a valve that controls the flow of oil that goes into a spring-loaded chamber that controls the stroke of a pump that pumps the oil that I started with, and the viscosity and hence pressure and flow of the oil are a strong function of tempreature and pressure, it is not a problem ameanable to analysis (especially as large areas of the parameter space are off limits as they destroy the engine)
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[00:42:44] <andypugh> If you decide that your system response is very non-linear you do have the option of making your P, I or D gains dependent on other system parameters, I created the lincurve HAL component specifically for that scenario. But it makes life a lot easier if you stick with 3 numbers.
[00:44:15] <MacGalempsy> andypugh: do you know if it is possible to make the 7i77 put put more than 10V for the TACH signals?
[00:45:07] <andypugh> I don't think that they can. In fact i don't know where they get 10V from.
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[00:45:53] <MacGalempsy> ha. yeah 10v for the drive signal
[00:46:21] <andypugh> You might be able to do something clever with an Op-Amp. Or ou might be better being clever still and describing the problem to PCW
[00:46:40] <MacGalempsy> 60inches per minute should be plenty
[00:47:31] <andypugh> Sounds a bit slow, but you don't spend that much time in rapids. It's a fast cut.
[00:47:36] <MacGalempsy> we chatted this afternoon a little. the only thing I could think of was sending the ref at a lower voltage, say 5v and let the tach send 10
[00:48:09] <MacGalempsy> the main goal is to get it all running and finetune the speed later
[00:49:00] <MacGalempsy> the thought bipassing the tach loop would induce a lot of error, but from that chart you looked at, you could see the following error is pretty low at 8in/min
[00:49:30] <MacGalempsy> figured that would be nice for a finishing cut
[00:53:11] <andypugh> I am not a perfectionist. If I was you I would be making partd
[00:53:18] <andypugh> (err, parts)
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[00:54:48] <andypugh> And _now_ I know I have a Y-axis backlash probelm that I need to worry about:
https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/_G0r_v_xAMLbDRznCRhP-tMTjNZETYmyPJy0liipFm0?feat=directlink
[00:56:09] <andypugh> (I do actually have a larger, preloaded, leadscrew, I am just not sure I can make it fit)
[00:56:44] <Jymmm> Hey andypugh
[00:57:36] <MacGalempsy> you couldnt tune that out?
[00:58:27] <andypugh> I am pretty sure it is mechanical.
[00:59:16] <andypugh> I might actually mount an eccentric in the head and deliberately wobble the table to work out what moves relative to what
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[01:13:03] <PCW> MacGalempsy: if you want to use free 7I77 channels for Tachometer simulation you will need to set the drives
[01:13:04] <PCW> tachometer input gain to be the same (10V full scale) as the reference input. Pretty sure this is set via a resistor
[01:13:06] <PCW> on that plug in module (If your drive is like the PDF)
[01:13:44] <MacGalempsy> it is like the one on the PDF
[01:14:25] <MacGalempsy> the guy on the phone said the only reason the number is different is because of the custom order, which had some special resistors done
[01:15:21] <MacGalempsy> not that the resistors themselves are special, but they did tuning with the reisitors
[01:19:21] <MacGalempsy> kkhttp://www.flickr.com/photos/58181938@N03/10933060086/
[01:19:34] <andypugh> One of these with CNC would be fun:
http://www.lathes.co.uk/rindis/index.html
[01:19:36] <MacGalempsy> sorry
[01:20:07] <MacGalempsy> simple and sweet
[01:21:18] <PCW> Though as Andy said you might just try some D term (It really should be identical to feeding the velocity into the tach input)
[01:21:54] <PCW> A higher sample rate may be need to get as much D term as you want
[01:22:01] <PCW> needed
[01:22:44] <MacGalempsy> ok. the wife is doing laundry at the moment, so I'll have to take my turn on the electricity
[01:23:22] <MacGalempsy> PCW: earlier, you thought the error may be higher without the tach signal. do you think it could get much better than .0004?
[01:23:46] <PCW> Do you have any D?
[01:23:51] <MacGalempsy> not at the moment
[01:23:57] <MacGalempsy> only P, FF1 and FF2
[01:24:14] <andypugh> Can you measure .0004?
[01:24:14] <MacGalempsy> was going through John's tuning tutorial
[01:24:20] <PCW> Well with no Tach feedback D will be needed
[01:24:33] <MacGalempsy> the encoder resolution is .0002
[01:24:43] <MacGalempsy> well, encoder and ballscrew
[01:25:00] <andypugh> Yes, but my Calipers are .0005
[01:25:44] <PCW> what ballscrew pitch, gearing, and encoder counts?
[01:25:53] <andypugh> If this is a lathe, then I would want 10x better, and be using micrometers.
[01:26:10] <MacGalempsy> oops. it is .00002, so I should try to do the feedback thing
[01:26:40] <PCW> Yeah I thought it would be higher
[01:26:43] <MacGalempsy> 5 turns per inch, 2500c/t encoder, and no gear reducer
[01:27:12] <PCW> yeah so 50000 counts/inch
[01:27:15] <MacGalempsy> any thoughts on HAL code?
[01:27:30] <andypugh> For fun, work out how much your machine moves in a cold draught.
[01:27:31] <MacGalempsy> or known example to make this work?
[01:28:18] <MacGalempsy> when I turned it on this morning cold, it had a hard time with my PID values. how long do these things need to warm up before it can be considered steady state?
[01:28:47] <andypugh> Until the remperatures stop chanigng
[01:28:53] <PCW> I would just try D first (since on your drive, the tach input and reference input are just summed this can just as well be done in the PID comp)
[01:29:13] <MacGalempsy> ok. I will try that and see what happens
[01:29:45] <andypugh> That's the best plan. It might help, or you might be near to machine limits.
[01:30:19] <PCW> pump up D until its too buzzy to stand and then back off till its livable
[01:31:23] <PCW> (you can get more at a higher sample rate)
[01:31:24] <PCW> then you should be able to increase P
[01:31:30] <MacGalempsy> the other night, I had it up to 2340 and it was doing well, but the next day, I could barely get 1800 until it was 100% hot
[01:32:00] <andypugh> (and possibly experiment with negative D, if that helps I will be forced to remind myself what misconfiguration made that useful)
[01:32:01] <PCW> Not enough (or any) D
[01:32:04] <MacGalempsy> with the 2340 the table buzzed
[01:33:10] <andypugh> Yes. As the machine warms up it will get more responsive (mainly oil friction).
[01:33:12] <MacGalempsy> maybe it would be good to put together a warmup program to run the machine around a while after first turning it on
[01:33:43] <MacGalempsy> so should I warm it up 100% then do the PID tuning?
[01:33:45] <andypugh> But you may be able to get more P with a hint of D
[01:35:17] <PCW> I think its likely now that theres no D (either from external feedback or the PID)
[01:35:18] <PCW> which will rather severley limit P
[01:36:16] <andypugh> I would say tune for the cold machine. Though this will depend on the work you are doing. Really high accuracy work is done in temperature-controlled roooms, and they use ballscrews and slides with coolant channels running at controlled temperatures.
[01:37:08] <MacGalempsy> no coolant lines here
[01:37:50] <MacGalempsy> was hoping to have the stand done by now, but my uncle went on vacation. the nerve, right?
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[01:44:04] <andypugh> It is possible to make the PID terms temperature dependent, but it adds a lot of compelxity.
[01:44:31] <andypugh> Anyway, time to sleep
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[01:45:19] <MacGalempsy> going to work on D
[01:45:25] <MacGalempsy> DDDDDS NUTS!
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[10:08:51] <hiroshima5> i have been investigating about e100 baldor drives
[10:09:02] <hiroshima5> and they use canopen dsp402 protocol
[10:11:22] <hiroshima5> anybody has used a fpga with canopen???
[10:24:33] <kengu> http://www.linuxcnc.org/index.php/english/documentation there is integrators manual (link)
http://www.linuxcnc.org/docs/LinuxCNC_Integrator_Manual.pdf that produces 404 not found
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[10:42:01] <MattyMatt> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Mitsubishi-VFD-FR-720S-100-EC-2-2kW-10A-/261327511657 anyone know if these have analog contols in addition to the 485/modbus?
[10:45:10] <MattyMatt> they're about the same price as the common chinese ones, but the chinese ones are common - which improves servicability IMO
[10:47:44] <archivist> while those drives look good the auction seller lacks credibility
[10:48:09] <archivist> claims new but they are filthy
[10:49:35] <MattyMatt> Q2: if the mitsu ones have analog input, which input would be best to use, considering I'd need to buy a mesa card either way?
[10:49:41] <MattyMatt> yeah they dusty
[10:49:56] <MattyMatt> but that could be 10 minutes in a woodwork shop
[10:50:00] <archivist> you can download the manual
[10:50:30] <archivist> is the auction for 1 or 5 off
[10:50:46] <MattyMatt> buy it now, 1 off
[10:51:38] <archivist> the pictures show more than one
[10:51:55] <MattyMatt> yep, which is why I'm sharing the link :)
[10:51:56] <archivist> that is one lazy seller
[10:52:58] <MattyMatt> I can't really afford one tbh. I have a 500W palm router to use up first
[10:55:26] <archivist> I need two of them but have no cash
[10:56:46] <archivist> cannot find a report item category to whine at ebay , it almost seems a bad listing is acceptable policy
[10:57:19] <MattyMatt> caveat emptor. bad listings lower the price IME
[10:57:57] <MattyMatt> I got some lovely ballscrews that were described as travelling struts
[10:59:12] <MattyMatt> MOD nomenclature
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[11:00:39] <MattyMatt> asking questions to the vendor helps them improve the listing, I find, but that just helps the competition if it's a bidding war :)
[11:02:16] <archivist> I just found a valid whine so sent that, misleading title
[11:03:40] <archivist> his having a date in his name and a score of 0 tells me he is a regular bad seller :)
[11:04:11] <MattyMatt> or a genuine noob
[11:04:37] <MattyMatt> not saying 1 off 5 available is a noob mistake
[11:05:57] <archivist> dont think he is a noob, an honest user would never tick new for those dusty items
[11:06:28] <MattyMatt> a proper crook woulda dusted them off, with Mr Sheen
[11:09:43] <MattyMatt> I use a soft 3" paintbrush to dust electronics
[11:10:01] <MattyMatt> nylon bristles asking for static trouble, but hey
[11:10:36] <archivist> brush and vacuum cleaner...ex TV engineer :)
[11:12:46] <RyanS> Is a BF20 size mill at all useful as a glorified drill press and stock square upperer... I'm still procrastinating about CNC
[11:14:11] <RyanS> Probably no reason you can't square stuff CNC, jogging etc
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[11:16:15] <MattyMatt> you could get one and CNC at your leisure
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[11:17:53] <RyanS> I'm probably in the wrong channel and don't need the headache of conversion :P
[11:17:59] <MattyMatt> ready-converted always seems overpriced to me
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[11:18:15] <MattyMatt> my time is cheap :)
[11:20:00] <MattyMatt> I don't have any real experience, but I'd imagine a horizontal mill or surface grinder are the best for squaring stock
[11:20:38] <MattyMatt> with a good heavy bed, and basic power feed
[11:22:00] <RyanS> I had thought about it , however, because of my disability I hire help , so I don't want to use up that time doing the conversion. Although the price is making me cringe
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[11:24:38] <MattyMatt> I got a knee mill base, and I've only used it manually with a horizontal dremel so far. I might keep it manual it's handy
[11:26:08] <RyanS> I suppose I intend on designing everything in CAD and hopefully eliminate or at least minimise things like old school dye and layout
[11:27:17] <MattyMatt> sometimes I find that's a way to overthink and procrastinate. I get more done with a back of envelope and get-stuck-in attitude :)
[11:27:49] <MattyMatt> cad is less cash intensive than ruined materials tho, so it's risky
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[11:29:46] <MattyMatt> so much is a tradeoff between cash and time :p
[11:30:14] <MattyMatt> even with no cash, I do try to value myself at minimum wage
[11:30:50] <archivist> minimum wage! that is a bit rich :)
[11:31:12] <archivist> income last week a tenner
[11:31:20] <MattyMatt> it's more than I make in reality
[11:32:12] <RyanS> urghhh BF20L table travel looks ridiculous . It looks like it's going to fall of the side off the machine
[11:32:16] <MattyMatt> time is the most liquid asset, and the scarcest resource
[11:34:27] <MattyMatt> you could put a decent x/y table on a cheap drill press, for drilling
[11:34:58] <MattyMatt> and improvise a milling head for it maybe?
[11:35:12] <RyanS> I have one on benchtop drill press. That's why I want to upgrade to a pedestal
[11:35:33] <MattyMatt> is it bolted to the bench?
[11:36:14] <RyanS> yeh
[11:37:22] <MattyMatt> my life got easier when I sussed weighing my workmate with a plank and 25kg of cement. I don't have to stand on one leg anymore
[11:37:36] <RyanS> the DP not X/Y table
[11:39:28] <MattyMatt> http://opensourcemachine.org/files/German%20Epoxy%20Granite%20Milling%20Machine.pdf dream machine
[11:39:46] <MattyMatt> solid as a rocky rock
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[11:42:58] <MattyMatt> looks like approx £100 of epoxy in there, and a whole heap of spare time
[11:44:30] <MattyMatt> I'me still transitioning from plywood to aluminium. epoxy granite looks like a neat way to jump up to high quality bypassing the alu and cast iron domains
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[11:52:11] <jthornton> nice little mill
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[12:04:37] <MattyMatt> wow, the epoxy they used is cheaper than I expected
http://shop1.r-g.de/item/103100
[12:05:48] <MattyMatt> much cheaper, the only pure epoxy I've found previously (no polyester) was £45 per litre
[12:07:01] <MattyMatt> you need pure to get zero shinkage, I've read
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[12:08:41] <skunkworks> whatcha making?
[12:14:04] <jthornton> just what I need something to do with those linear rails I have
[12:20:43] <kengu> "The configuration wizards know how to set up a switch to be both home and limit. That is generally the easy way" says andypugh but where is this setting in what wizard
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[12:25:33] <MacGalempsy> morning
[12:26:15] <kengu> morn
[12:26:18] <kengu> ing
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[12:28:23] <jthornton> which wizard are you using?
[12:29:13] <Tom_itx> the one from oz?
[12:32:10] <kengu> jthornton: i don't know about wizard but pncconf
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[12:32:45] <jthornton> I don't know about pncconf
[12:32:53] <jthornton> just stepconf
[12:34:36] <kengu> i tried looking for the setting in stepconf but did not find that combine in stepconf eithre
[12:35:13] <kengu> actually i did find it
[12:35:15] <kengu> from stepconf
[12:35:41] <jthornton> well, you won't use stepconf if your using anything else but the parallel port
[12:35:55] <kengu> yeah but just to figure out where the setting is
[12:36:13] <jthornton> pncconf is for Mesa cards and is a totally different than stepconf
[12:36:18] <jthornton> so which one are you using?
[12:36:47] <kengu> yeah. but I did find the setting now from pncconf after spying from stepconf
[12:37:30] <kengu> there is this "limits/home shared" input category in pncconf that I for some reason had not seen before
[12:37:49] <jthornton> you know more than I do now...
[12:38:20] <kengu> well.. you would have been able to spot the same thing if you knew how it is dealt with in stepconf
[12:39:06] <Tom_itx> http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?Homing_And_Limit_Switch
[12:39:35] <kengu> Tom_itx: that i do have open but it was about the wizard
[12:40:04] <Tom_itx> take a step out beyond the wizard
[12:40:13] <Tom_itx> it's painless
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[12:41:06] <kengu> i might, as I did with the laser
[12:42:50] <Tom_itx> http://www.linuxcnc.org/docs/devel/html/config/ini_config.html
[12:43:38] <Tom_itx> 2.10.1
[12:44:34] <Tom_itx> http://www.linuxcnc.org/docs/devel/html/config/ini_homing.html#cha:homing-configuration
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[13:00:24] <Loetmichel> *grrrr*
[13:00:32] <archivist> aw
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[13:01:49] * Loetmichel is stating: F1200 si a BIT much for a 2mm 2 flute 0,5mm deep in ALMG3... even at 24kRPM... especially when the aluminium sheet istnt really fixed and bends uop a mm , so its effectively 1,5mm deep in the cut...
[13:02:12] <Loetmichel> <- mounts new mill bit and reduces the feed to 80% ;-)
[13:04:39] <archivist> lubrication and chip clearance
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[13:07:43] <archivist> and...a nicer less sticky aluminium
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[13:18:42] <Tom_itx> is that a euro alloy description?
[13:20:10] <Tom_itx> mostly Mag it seems
[13:20:15] <archivist> dural if you want an original tradename
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[13:20:30] <Tom_itx> 5000 series al
[13:20:34] <archivist> aluminium with a bit of copper
[13:31:00] <Loetmichel> Tom_itx: 97% alumnimum, 3% mg
[13:31:08] <Loetmichel> standard "milling quaitiy"
[13:35:28] <MacGalempsy> guys, I am trying to make a generic fault reset using an output on the 7i77. a little help on the easiest way?
[13:35:59] <MacGalempsy> or is it just true/false?
[13:36:02] <archivist> input?
[13:36:29] <MacGalempsy> it is supposed to ground to resest the amp.
[13:36:42] <MacGalempsy> I would like to make a halui button to reset the fault from the UI
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[13:44:47] <jdh> use the 7i77 to drive a relay
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[13:50:14] <MacGalempsy> why cany it just ground?
[13:50:38] <jdh> because it is a sourcing output?
[13:51:33] <jdh> perhaps a pull-down on the drive reset line and have the output on to keep it high
[13:53:18] <MacGalempsy> is that something radioshack might have?
[13:53:49] <jdh> a resistor? or the relay? They will have both.
[13:54:08] <MacGalempsy> I have one more set of 4 relays
[13:54:31] <jdh> might wait for pcw to show up for a more definitive answer.
[13:55:22] <MacGalempsy> oh, use a resistor to drop the voltage below the cuttoff?
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[13:56:07] <MacGalempsy> because the drive resets with a 0.5v
[13:56:29] <MacGalempsy> off would be active
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[14:03:09] <MacGalempsy> probably would just be easier to use the extra relay board
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[14:06:23] <jdh> that would be my inclination.
[14:06:56] <jdh> or a momenatary pushbutton
[14:07:21] <jdh> or use another set of contacts on your Reset button
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[14:28:36] <MacGalempsy> jdhhad one more open relay left, so just ran all three of the resets to the same relay
[14:29:06] <MacGalempsy> even had an ground waiting
[14:29:15] <MacGalempsy> goodmorning PCW
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[14:39:01] <Tom_itx> you want a 'soft' button or a physical reset button?
[14:40:20] <MacGalempsy> Tom_itx: the amplifier resets require ground to reset. the solution was to run all 3 amplifier resets to a single line, then run it to a relay connected to a ground
[14:40:49] <Tom_itx> or a simple transistor
[14:41:01] <Tom_itx> with the base tied to your control line
[14:41:14] <MacGalempsy> since there was room, its time to push forward, heh.
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[14:43:19] <MacGalempsy> however, afterhooking up the 7i84, show pins reveals the pins, but linuxcnc will not open.
[14:43:30] <jdh> in theory, I'm working.
[14:43:37] <Tom_itx> in practice?
[14:43:47] <jdh> I'm appearing to be working?
[14:43:50] <archivist> asleep
[14:44:28] <MacGalempsy> at the county we called that windingup
[14:44:39] <MacGalempsy> that took until about lunch
[14:44:46] <Tom_itx> MacGalempsy, you have a relay driver board?
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[14:45:27] <MacGalempsy> yep, bought 4 4 channel relays. used 3 and every port is occupied
[14:45:31] <Tom_itx> otherwise you need to consider back emf on the control signal when the coil lets go
[14:46:10] <MacGalempsy> so the task at hand it to start making a control panel to manual flip switches
[14:50:11] <jdh> a real panel, or a virtual panel?
[14:51:00] <MacGalempsy> virtual.
[14:51:13] <MacGalempsy> for the touchscreen
[14:52:09] <MacGalempsy> but there is a HM2_pci error when trying to start linuxcnc with the 7i84 plugged in
[14:52:42] <MacGalempsy> think it has something to do with the config, but cannot find any reference to setting up this combo of mesa cards
[14:53:37] <JT_Shop> what is the exact error/?
[14:53:39] <pcw_home> what is the error?
[14:54:22] <MacGalempsy> tried to paste bin it. going to the garage
[14:54:47] <pcw_home> the error should be 1 line
[14:55:37] <pcw_home> (usually the one with the hal file line number)
[14:55:58] <MacGalempsy> 37.insmod: error inserting '/usr/realtime-2.6.32-122-rtai/modules/linuxcnc/hm2_pci.ko': -1 Invalid parameters
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[15:00:22] <pcw_home> probably a bad config=" line
[15:00:44] <MacGalempsy> that is what I was thinking, but could not find an example of the appropriate line
[15:01:18] <MacGalempsy> where do I look for that information? t
[15:01:21] <pcw_home> man hostmot2
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[15:03:29] <pcw_home> There should be a more descriptive error
[15:03:31] <pcw_home> (probable error is illegal sserial mode if you only get an error when the 7I84 is there)
[15:04:01] <MacGalempsy> http://pastebin.com/PTHpuc9y
[15:04:09] <MacGalempsy> that is the entire dmesg
[15:04:35] <pcw_home> [ 3504.670496] hm2/hm2_5i25.0: Smart serial card 7i84.0.2 error = (30) Illegal Remote Mode
[15:05:07] <MacGalempsy> what does that mean?
[15:05:39] <pcw_home> it means you selected a mode the 7I84 does not support
[15:06:53] <Jymmm> pcw_home: Why does it say "remote" ?
[15:07:29] <Tom_itx> it can be far away
[15:07:56] <Jymmm> Like off to college?
[15:08:15] <Tom_itx> it's out to lunch right now
[15:08:41] <MacGalempsy> i guess the loadrt hm2_pci config statement is wrong
[15:09:29] <MacGalempsy> ahh serial port number
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[15:10:01] <pcw_home> Yes, specifically the sserial_port_0=123XXX line
[15:10:42] <pcw_home> take a look at the hm2 man page sserial section
[15:10:55] <Jymmm> That's a fucked up convoluted error message for a misconfiged port #
[15:11:07] <pcw_home> its not a port #
[15:11:53] <pcw_home> its correct and succinct
[15:12:00] <MacGalempsy> the port is set for only a 7i77
[15:12:20] <Jymmm> pcw_home: Why does it say "remote" ?
[15:12:48] <Jymmm> pcw_home: It's ambiguous is what it is.
[15:12:56] <pcw_home> because these are all sserial remote I/O devices
[15:13:27] <Jymmm> pcw_home: "remote" implies the existence of "local"
[15:13:43] <Jymmm> pcw_home: Is there a "local" ?
[15:13:49] <pcw_home> yes
[15:13:57] <Jymmm> pcw_home: and the difference?
[15:14:18] <pcw_home> local is the sserial master
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[15:15:13] <pcw_home> MacGalempsy: take a look at the hm2 manual page sserial section about setting remote modes
[15:15:34] <pcw_home> and the 7I84 manual about supported modes
[15:16:25] <pcw_home> most likely there is a number in the mode setting string thats not legal for the 7I84
[15:20:11] <pcw_home> in your setup sserial_port_0=123xxx
[15:20:13] <pcw_home> would set
[15:20:14] <pcw_home> channel 0 (7I77 field I/O) to mode 1
[15:20:16] <pcw_home> channel 1 (7I77 analog out) to mode 2
[15:20:17] <pcw_home> channel 2 (7I84) to mode 3
[15:20:19] <pcw_home> (not that these are legal modes)
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[15:25:33] <MacGalempsy> so how do I know which position relates to which terminal block?
[15:26:29] <pcw_home> ?
[15:26:56] <MacGalempsy> I see what you wrote there, but im just trying to figure out the logic
[15:27:24] <pcw_home> did you read the manual page?
[15:31:07] <pcw_home> on you linuxcnc machine in a terminal window type:
[15:31:09] <pcw_home> man hostmot2
[15:31:10] <pcw_home> or google
[15:31:12] <pcw_home> man hostmot2
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[15:52:53] <MacGalempsy> pcw_home: I am confused how the 7i77 uses 000xxx, do I need to make the xxx inot the modes for the 7i84?
[15:53:47] <MacGalempsy> nevermind
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[16:03:48] <MacGalempsy> i am confused how the 5i25 7i77 works with 000xxx, but where does the 7i84 go?
[16:05:05] <MacGalempsy> the instructions dont really give any examples
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[16:13:00] <JT_Shop> the 123xxx is a configuration string for the sserial port...
[16:13:25] * JT_Shop does not fully understand which channel does what on the 5i25 or where the channels are
[16:14:02] <MacGalempsy> when I use that, the remote error comes up the 7i84 mode I want to use is 0
[16:14:13] <MacGalempsy> but even if I use 000000 it does not load
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[16:14:35] <pcw_home> strange, possible power problems?
[16:14:45] <MacGalempsy> I was thinking about that
[16:14:53] <MacGalempsy> only 3 lights are on t
[16:14:59] <MacGalempsy> he 7i84
[16:15:18] <pcw_home> do you have a red light
[16:15:21] <MacGalempsy> yes
[16:15:33] <Jymmm> Roxanne...........................
[16:15:36] <MacGalempsy> when I do a show pins, everything shows up
[16:16:07] <pcw_home> what is your exact hm2_pci config line?
[16:16:52] <MacGalempsy> I tried 020xxx and it didnt work
[16:17:11] <MacGalempsy> trying to understand what each position in the address means?
[16:17:20] <pcw_home> that cannot possibly work
[16:17:45] <MacGalempsy> I want to run mode 3 on the 7i77 and mode 0 on the 7i84
[16:18:06] <pcw_home> as the manual says they are channels numbers in left to right order
[16:18:47] <MacGalempsy> but there are no practical examples
[16:18:50] <pcw_home> on a standar 7I77 config 7I77 channel 0 is Field I/O, 1 is anlog out and 2 is the expansion port
[16:20:23] <MacGalempsy> so 000xxx should work, right?
[16:20:32] <MacGalempsy> of 300xxx?
[16:20:39] <pcw_home> sserial_port_0=000xxx should work
[16:23:27] <MacGalempsy> ah, that worked. thanks a bunch!
[16:24:17] <MacGalempsy> this whole process is quite humbling. i have a research degree, but the learning curve is so high.
[16:24:21] <pcw_home> if you look at the 7I77 and 7I84 manuals they list the legal modes
[16:24:42] <MacGalempsy> to let you guys know, I really do try to read and work through these problems
[16:25:19] <pcw_home> its traditional for man pages to have no examples :-)
[16:26:06] <MacGalempsy> a laymans guide would make the process more open to people like me. maybe that can be my contribution
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[16:28:22] <MacGalempsy> well, its way past my bedtime. thank again guys. Have a nice day.
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[16:34:04] <JT_Shop> 2 is the expansion port on the 7i7x?
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[16:50:54] <pcw_home> Yes with standard 7I77 firmware 0=fieldIO,1=analog and 2=expansion
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[16:58:34] <JT_Shop> ok, so it is firmware dependent?
[17:00:35] <pcw_home> Yes, because the order of sserial ports can change but all 7I77 configs (with a 7i77 on P3)are the same
[17:01:39] <JT_Shop> ok thanks
[17:01:53] <pcw_home> Master makes some of this easier because it lists the available modes in dmesg
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[17:02:56] <JT_Shop> I can't wait for Master :)
[17:04:51] <pcw_home> it might have been nicer to something like 7i77.0.mode=2 but the config parameters are getting pretty big as it is
[17:05:01] <pcw_home> to have something
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[17:49:26] <IchGuckLive> hi all B)
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[17:49:47] <IchGuckLive> hi hiroshima5 how is it going
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[19:07:49] <IchGuckLive> winter is coming this night to germany
[19:10:32] <jdh> move?
[19:11:12] <jdh> but, it is only 16c here.
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[19:19:20] <Loetmichel> jdh: ichgucklive is a wimp
[19:19:36] <Loetmichel> its 6,7°c outside here
[19:19:41] <Loetmichel> noting like winter
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[19:19:48] <Loetmichel> not even chilly
[19:19:54] <jdh> I am no fan of cold and/or winter.
[19:21:05] <archivist> 4.3 outside 8.1 deg c indoors
[19:22:02] <jdh> what's a bolt bin cart?
[19:22:04] <jdh> <urk>
[19:22:12] <Loetmichel> archivist: that sounds cozy ;-)
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[20:16:38] <mrsun_> ough managed to reverse +5V and GND on the breakout board :/
[20:16:57] <Jymmm> how?
[20:17:05] <mrsun_> but .. strangley everything seems to have survived .. but i melted the screw terminal :P
[20:17:14] <mrsun_> connected it wrong? :P
[20:17:25] <mrsun_> not thinking, tired ... etc :P
[20:17:32] <Jymmm> It's two wire, how hard is that?
[20:17:35] <mrsun_> wrong cable colors due to temporary connections :P
[20:17:44] <Jymmm> dumbass
[20:18:01] <mrsun_> Jymmm, managed to connect the whole controller cabinett today without an error ... and then .. connecting the most basic+5V i fail badly :P
[20:18:13] <mrsun_> but like i said .. strangley everything has survived ...
[20:18:15] <Jymmm> see above
[20:18:18] <mrsun_> how i do not know =)
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[20:59:08] <maZer> Im trying to get the homing function running. I have shared switches, also for homing and limit
[20:59:41] <maZer> i want that the machine drivers to -x until hit limiter, and then return for 10mm
[21:00:17] <maZer> but my machine is driving always to the limiter, and is not changing direction
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[21:08:13] <Tom_itx> maZer, mine is similar:
http://tom-itx.dyndns.org:81/~webpage/cnc/configs/sherline/
[21:08:22] <Tom_itx> in the ini
[21:09:05] <Tom_itx> in the [AXIS_x] sections
[21:10:03] <Tom_itx> actually i'm using soft limits set with the switches
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[21:16:53] <WalterN> on the haas, it just told me that M97 is an undefined M code... :-/
[21:17:30] <WalterN> do the older haas stuff not have M97 defined?
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[21:18:04] <Tom_itx> possibly
[21:18:18] <Tom_itx> it's not defined in linuxcnc either
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[21:20:05] <JT_Shop> once you get past G0-3 it's a crap shoot about what the rest of the codes mean from control to control
[21:20:24] <JT_Shop> and G0-3 can be different as well
[21:20:55] <WalterN> yeah
[21:21:06] <WalterN> http://www.cnczone.com/forums/haas_mills/54371-m97_m98_subroutine_call_use.html
[21:21:12] <WalterN> I mean I'm using it like that
[21:21:32] <WalterN> but when I actually try to run it on the mill it says its an undefined M code
[21:21:45] <WalterN> (on the haas mill I have)
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[21:24:20] <JT_Shop> yours may not have all the options
[21:24:43] <JT_Shop> for example spindle control on my Anilam was $1000 extra when they came out
[21:27:26] <WalterN> I kind of dislike closed source stuff
[21:27:50] <WalterN> time to break this up into several different programs I guess
[21:30:01] <maZer> big thanks Tom_itx
[21:30:15] <kengu> um. plasma is about ready
[21:30:23] <kengu> now i can go home I think.
[21:33:34] <maZer> Tom_itx does i understand it right, if i have home_search_vel is negative i should set home_latch_vel to positive?
[21:34:53] <andypugh> maZer: That depends if you want a slow move off the switch, or a fast move off the switch and a slow move back on to it.
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[21:36:34] <maZer> andypugh no i have heidenhain encoders, i want that the machine drives to the limit point, and then back until the encoder index
[21:37:15] <maZer> i dont want that he drivers over the limit switch, just a small touch and then back :d
[21:37:20] <maZer> until index
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[21:38:13] <andypugh> OK, the you need the latch to be the opposite sign. You also need HOME_USE_INDEX in the INI and to have net-ed index-enable in the hal.
[21:38:54] <maZer> ok big thanks
[21:41:24] <maZer> andypugh i did home_search_vel -5.0 and home_latch_vel 0.5
[21:41:48] <maZer> and the machine drivers over the limit switch and drives forward to emergency stop :(
[21:42:15] <maZer> did i done something wrong in the hal with min-home-x ?
[21:42:29] <maZer> Also i use the min-home-x switch for this
[21:42:45] <andypugh> maybe. min-home-x isn't anything LinuxCNC knows anything about.
[21:43:13] <andypugh> That is a signal name, and has no special meaning
[21:44:07] <andypugh> Is anything connected to axis.0.home-sw-in ? That's the important HAL pin. (If I recall the name correctly)
[21:44:31] <maZer> mom
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[21:44:58] <maZer> yes
[21:45:09] <maZer> net max-home-x axis.0.home-sw-in
[21:45:28] <maZer> net min-home-x axis.0.neg-lim-sw-in
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[21:45:45] <andypugh> and is there also a net max-home-x parport.0.some-pin-or-other ?
[21:46:14] <andypugh> (Or whatever IO line the limit switch is on)
[21:46:35] <maZer> yes is connected
[21:47:08] <maZer> should i use home_ignore_limits?
[21:49:11] <andypugh> Yes, if the limit switch IO pin is also the home pin.
[21:50:41] <maZer> oh yes that was it! :D
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[22:05:36] <ju-emb> somebody here, that has an idea how to do a loop until a signal changes?
[22:05:57] <ju-emb> what I try to do is following:
[22:06:43] <ju-emb> I have g-code that starts and set's the Temperature
[22:07:11] <ju-emb> now I have to wait til Temperature reaches the value
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[22:08:13] <alosindustrials> hi
[22:08:18] <JT_Shop> why not use classicladder to control your heater?
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[22:08:53] <cradek> perhaps spindle-at-speed
[22:09:04] <cradek> spindle speed is a lot like temperature
[22:09:37] <JT_Shop> hmmm, never thought about it that way
[22:10:04] <ju-emb> is spindle-at-speed a component?
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[22:11:43] <JesusAlos> I have a PCI-E to LPT card
[22:12:25] <JesusAlos> and no conect it with devices and the pin 11 is ever 1
[22:12:29] <JesusAlos> http://imagebin.org/277932
[22:13:33] <JesusAlos> and if take out the PCIE card, the pin 11 still 1
[22:15:03] <_DJ_> gn8
[22:15:09] <andypugh> Pin 11 is hardware-inverted. Linuxcnc un-inverts it
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[22:16:03] <JesusAlos> why onboard 0x378 no is inverted?
[22:17:50] <JesusAlos> ok. go to restart to plug in my card again
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[22:18:03] <andypugh> Because there really is an input there, so the hardware value is 1, and shown by LinuxCNC as zero
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[22:24:51] <JesusAlos> don't know why, but my new PCIE card don't work
[22:24:56] <JesusAlos> http://imagebin.org/277936
[22:26:12] <andypugh> Try cat/proc/ioports
[22:27:39] <JesusAlos> andypugh: Sorry don't understand
[22:28:11] <andypugh> type cat /proc/ioports
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[22:31:00] <JesusAlos> http://imagebin.org/277937
[22:31:55] <andypugh> You can pastebin plain text :-)
[22:32:21] <JesusAlos> ok
[22:32:32] <andypugh> It's OK, I git it
[22:33:33] <andypugh> You can see parport0 at 0x378, but not the other one.
[22:33:50] <andypugh> When you say PCI-E what do you mean?
[22:34:04] <JesusAlos> pci express
[22:34:44] <andypugh> Not mini PCI Express?
[22:35:26] <JesusAlos> http://thumbs2.ebaystatic.com/d/l225/m/m3mFOpmBhEYz_CqFhBlpwPg.jpg
[22:35:50] <andypugh> Hmm, that looks like it ought to work.
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[22:36:27] <andypugh> If it physically fits then it should be the right voltage and speed.
[22:38:56] <ju-emb> JesusAlos : give me a lspci -v
[22:39:12] <ju-emb> with your card pugged in
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[22:40:24] <JesusAlos> http://pastebin.com/hzs0uUb9
[22:41:20] <JesusAlos> is serial controller 1c00
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[22:45:50] <JesusAlos> must configure voltage and speed in bios?
[22:46:43] <JesusAlos> why detect PCI card but not like parport?
[22:47:54] <ju-emb> because the paraports on that cards doesn't show up like real parports, uou need a driver for that
[22:50:01] <ju-emb> some where in the docu I read that you have to load some other driver before the parport
[22:50:31] <ju-emb> I talk about lcnc hal documentation
[22:53:58] <andypugh> A PCI card should be a "real" parport
[22:54:58] <kwallace2> What about dmesg?
[22:54:59] <andypugh> I wonder why is is claiming to be a Serial controller?
[22:55:06] <ju-emb> after you loaded the driver yes, but before that she doesn't have an defined I/O Address
[22:56:01] <andypugh> Anyway, if that is the card, I think you need to try io addresses e100 and e000
[22:56:10] <ju-emb> sorry I/O she has, but no memory location like a parport
[22:56:30] <andypugh> 1c00 is the PCI address, not the IO port.
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[22:58:38] <JesusAlos> The PCI-E card have one LPT port and two RS232 ports
[22:59:02] <JesusAlos> I think the directions is 1c00,e000 and e100 respectivy
[22:59:02] <kwallace2> I think it is a single serial port card with a DB25 connector.
[22:59:04] <JesusAlos> no?
[22:59:37] <andypugh> In the proc/ioports listing earlier you can see that the r8169 ethernet port has an address listed as d000 in the same format as the prport has 0378.
[23:00:14] <ju-emb> did we try dmesg | grep parport
[23:00:20] <andypugh> Then in the lspci the ethernet IO is also shown as d000 under I/O port
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[23:02:11] <JesusAlos> http://pastebin.com/a8xF6Nw6
[23:02:55] <kwallace2> That's the motherboard port.
[23:03:00] <kwallace2> at 378
[23:03:10] <JesusAlos> yes, onboard
[23:03:21] <ju-emb> yes, so your PCI-e is not recognized
[23:03:31] <andypugh> Have you tried e100 and e000 with the parport tester?
[23:03:43] <JesusAlos> go now
[23:04:01] <JesusAlos> go to try
[23:05:05] <kwallace2> Just look at the traces on the DB25. If it looks like close to half the pins go to ground, it is a parallel port, otherwise it is a serial port.
[23:06:00] <andypugh> I am pretty sure it is this:
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/190974251472?pt=UK_Computing_ComputerComponents_InterfaceCards&hash=item2c76f3d1d0
[23:08:20] <JesusAlos> is this
http://approx.es/Communications/Conectividad/APPPCIE1P2S#.UovvWtdVLaA
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[23:11:44] <ju-emb> Docu of that card say's it runs on Linux, so you may try to reset your PCI configuration in the BIOS
[23:12:15] <JesusAlos> Go to bios
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[23:19:09] <JesusAlos> don't see anything in the bios
[23:19:29] <JesusAlos> don't run the direction e000, e100
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[23:20:12] <ju-emb> dmesg | grep parport
[23:21:06] <JesusAlos> I donwnload the drivers
[23:21:08] <JesusAlos> http://pastebin.com/z9Natw6d
[23:21:48] <ju-emb> there is just the on from Motherboard
[23:22:43] <JesusAlos> http://www.msi.com/product/mb/H61M-P20--G3-.html
[23:22:47] <JesusAlos> yes
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[23:22:59] <JesusAlos> but don't have bracket
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[23:24:57] <ju-emb> do you mean there is only the header connector on the MoBo
[23:25:36] <JesusAlos> yes
[23:26:13] <ju-emb> Do you start that MoBo with EFI ?
[23:27:19] <JesusAlos> EFI? in bios configurationsay?
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[23:31:02] <ju-emb> That MoBo has two modes to boot it.
[23:31:04] <ju-emb> one is BIOS other is UEFI
[23:31:06] <ju-emb> You have to start it in BIOS Mode to run Linuxcnc,
[23:31:08] <ju-emb> but there are some special features in such boards that needs to be activated in order to get the real BIOS behavior
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[23:38:27] <JesusAlos> the computer can't start in UEFI mode
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[23:39:13] <JesusAlos> tomorow I buy a bracket LPT
[23:39:31] <JesusAlos> and put in trash PCI-E card
[23:39:35] <JesusAlos> :)
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[23:40:31] <ju-emb> sure because you doesn't have your harddisk configured for that,
[23:40:33] <ju-emb> but there are still some points in the bios you need to activate to make your board work in real bios mode
[23:41:12] <andypugh> JesusAlos: A 6i25 will fit nicely in that slot...
[23:41:33] <JesusAlos> from mesa?
[23:41:49] <Tom_itx> jep
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[23:45:10] <JesusAlos> but 109$
[23:47:13] <JesusAlos> ok. is possible the better way
[23:47:41] <JesusAlos> I'm off
[23:47:44] <JesusAlos> gn
[23:47:53] <JesusAlos> thank you all
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[23:53:41] <maZer> hi all :)
[23:55:49] <maZer> i have a last problem with the homing. My machine is moving to the limit switch and waiting until the limit switch is released. Is there a way to disable that? Also that the machine is not overshooting the limit switch?`
