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[00:16:00] <Jymmm> Microwave died yesterday... CL first hit $25, BRAND NEW and not even a mile away... WOOHOO
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[00:42:27] <kwallace> Jymmm: It might be easy to fix.
[00:42:54] <kwallace> or at least have some good parts.
[00:42:58] <Jymmm> kwallace: doens't heat, controls work though =)
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[00:44:04] <kwallace> The transformers are popular for all sorts of things.
[00:44:29] <Jymmm> Yeah, fingured I'd strip it for what parts it can offer at least.
[00:45:26] <kwallace> http://www.home-workshop.com/MOTWelder.htm
[00:46:27] <Jymmm> heh
[00:46:30] <kwallace> I need a band saw blade welder, but I have been able to fix the ovens I have.
[00:47:14] <pzpz> hi all!
[00:47:38] <micges> hi
[00:47:39] <Jymmm> Well, this one was rusting (cheap paint) below the turntable anyway, so it was expected.
[00:49:17] <kwallace> http://www.searspartsdirect.com/partsdirect/part-model/Sharp-Parts/Microwave-Parts/Model-R530AW/0958/0123245/P9100281/00004
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[00:50:06] <pcw_home> mpictor: CPU is custom, (d16W.vhd) Ethernet code is all in etherhm2.zip
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[00:52:53] <kwallace> http://mods-n-hacks.wonderhowto.com/how-to/scavenge-high-voltage-components-from-your-neighbors-trashed-microwave-0139278/
[00:57:23] * mpictor wonders what assembler pcw_home uses
[01:18:48] <pcw_home> TASM
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[01:21:38] <MacGalempsy> evening
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[01:24:11] <pcw_home> mpictor: if you look at d16w.tab, thats the table of instructions for the table driven assembler
[01:24:36] <mpictor> oh, I did see that before. thanks
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[01:28:32] <PetefromTn> Evening folks.
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[01:53:16] <dougztr> I'm working on my first cnc programming assignment :D
[02:04:35] <tjb1> dougztr: Have fun!
[02:04:39] <tjb1> Gets boring with CAM
[02:07:35] <dougztr> not much tinkering huh?
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[02:08:38] <tjb1> I only do plasma cutter now
[02:08:47] <tjb1> or 3d printer but I dont play with that gcode, too long
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[02:11:20] <dougztr> i have used plasma cutters by hand
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[02:12:32] <dougztr> argh. peck drill cycle bite size ... 3 * diameter?
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[03:08:39] <Jymmm> kwallace1: So, I remove the security screws, pop off the cover and there is a sealed envelope attached. Inside... the entire wiring/troubleshooting diagrams =)
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[03:10:30] <WalterN> pain in the butt
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[03:16:54] <kwallace1> Jymmm: So you are going to give fixing it a try?
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[03:43:43] <WalterN> has anyone used drills from FMW fasteners? the price seems pretty good...
http://www.fmwfasteners.com/products/High-Speed-Jobber-Drills
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[03:51:18] <pzpz> look very expencive
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[03:53:40] <Tom_itx> yeah that might be a bit high at least to local prices
[03:53:46] <pzpz> http://www.homedepot.com/p/Ryobi-31-Piece-Drilling-and-Driving-Accessory-Kit-A983101/100671746
[03:53:52] <pzpz> 10 bucks..
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[03:54:33] <Tom_itx> those are probably not much better quality wise
[03:54:43] <WalterN> donno, I priced #41 drills and FMW fasteners is a fair bit cheaper than you can get from MSC
[03:54:52] <pzpz> http://www.homedepot.com/p/DEWALT-21-Piece-Titanium-Drill-Bit-Set-DW1361/202279642
[03:56:08] <pzpz> the pilot point look intresting
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[04:16:55] <Jymmm> kwallace: Normally I usually do, but the base is rusted out
[04:18:21] <dougztr> for tapping cycles, do I use the regular drilling spindle RPM then calculate the feed rate from that?
[04:27:10] <Jymmm> kwallace: Well shit... I have a uber timer relay, I could make a spot welder for SS .
http://www.home-workshop.com/MOTWelder.htm
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[04:29:20] <dougztr> I have a whole tube of tri-state buffer chips. you guys probably like those
[04:29:58] <kwallace> I have a couple saws sitting idle because I can't weld blades. I may have to cruise the local thrift shop for a broken oven.
[04:30:33] <dougztr> you bake them?
[04:30:57] <Jymmm> kwallace: CL
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[04:31:42] <somenewguy> I like the "it bites" warning
[04:34:38] <kwallace> http://woodworkerspost.com/Forum/viewtopic.php?p=1111
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[04:39:10] <somenewguy> well done
[04:39:34] <pzpz> ?
[04:39:39] <tjtr33> the welder is missing the grinding wheel ( and that weld will break _
[04:40:36] <dougztr> do you sharpen them too?
[04:41:43] <tjtr33> kwallace, hey i use the same fm tuner, had to write a python script with an array of buttons to tune different stations. i use a recorder to snag songs.
[04:42:07] <tjtr33> dougztr, you grind the weld down to same thx as blade
[04:42:56] <dougztr> i'm stuck on my hw. 3/8-16 HSS tap into aluminum. how do i find the RPM? treat it like a drill?
[04:43:38] <Tom_itx> slower probably
[04:43:39] <dougztr> i don't have a special speed chart for taps
[04:45:31] <Tom_itx> http://zero-divide.net/index.php?page=fswizard&shell_id=199&load_tool_id=27011
[04:45:44] <Tom_itx> you could try that and use a 'thread mill' as the tool maybe
[04:46:00] <Tom_itx> not sure if that would be accurate or not
[04:46:14] <kwallace> I set my FM tuner this way:
http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1991579 and use gnomeradio for the UI.
[04:47:24] <MacGalempsy> can you guys tell me the line I wiould use to set my estop pin to read a voltage for halmeter?
[04:47:29] <Tom_itx> http://www.cheboygantap.com/technical/speeds-feeds/tapping-feed-speed-chart.html
[04:47:41] <tjtr33> kwallace, is the result consistant? arecord fails half the time for me ( i use 'audio-recorder' yes thats the app name )
[04:48:06] <MacGalempsy> how about this?
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[04:48:51] <tjtr33> kwallace, i thought that page was familiar, esp after seeing so many of my own posts :) (tomp)
[04:48:55] <Tom_itx> dougztr that last link might get you close
[04:49:14] <MacGalempsy> net estop_sig hm2_5i25.0.7177.0.0.input-00
[04:50:13] <dougztr> Tom_itx: super! thats what i needed
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[04:51:30] <Tom_itx> we also used tapping fluid
[04:51:38] <Tom_itx> works better than regular lubricant
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[05:11:55] <dougztr> this problem has us plunging an end mill straight into aluminum 1" deep O_o
[05:14:59] <dougztr> my program is essentially complete now. gonna load it into the emulator and see what happens.
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[05:35:21] <dougztr> it runs! couple misc typos aside. it looks like it might be reasonably correct too
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[07:34:54] <RyanS> What is the deal with every time a recommendation for a VFD pops up, its TECO, TECO, TECO?
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[08:58:03] <MacGalempsy_> three position switch. is it to run one powered all the time to show the switch is powered (one input) and the other activated at latch?
[08:58:32] <MacGalempsy_> oops three wire switch
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[09:48:54] <MacGalempsy_> nm problem solved
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[10:16:05] <dougztr> setting up vim for .nc files ... good idea
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[10:48:53] <_DJ_> moin
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[11:04:26] <jthornton> morning
[11:06:51] <MacGalempsy> morning
[11:08:36] <MacGalempsy> any chance of direction with this error that came up when attempting to start linuxcnc?
http://pastebin.com/8d839Xpk
[11:13:40] <jthornton> I can't spot anything, when you have a problem like this clear dmesg then run the config the capture the dmesg
[11:14:17] <jthornton> sudo dmesg -c
[11:14:22] <MacGalempsy> ok ;)
[11:14:24] <jthornton> http://linuxcnc.org/docs/html/common/Linux_FAQ.html#_bootup_messages
[11:14:26] <MacGalempsy> brb
[11:14:33] <jthornton> what did you do before the error?
[11:14:45] <MacGalempsy> nothing just ran pncconf
[11:15:03] <MacGalempsy> let me go out to the garage and clear this
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[11:20:02] <jthornton> MacGalempsy, on the forum attach the file to your message instead of using pastebin. Use pastebin here...
[11:25:18] <MacGalempsy> ok.. just went out there, but realized its time to get started on 6am reports.
[11:26:03] <jthornton> ok
[11:26:13] <jthornton> did my sample configuration run?
[11:27:31] <MacGalempsy> no
[11:27:39] <MacGalempsy> not even the precompiled ones
[11:28:02] <jthornton> precompiled?
[11:28:40] <MacGalempsy> just what ever the basic configs that popup when linuxcnc starts. but perhaps becuase they are not for this card, they failed
[11:29:09] <MacGalempsy> i just wanted to get past the second screen
[11:29:12] <jthornton> right, there is no 5i25 config there. try and run my sample configuration
[11:29:34] <MacGalempsy> just put the 2 files in the configs folder?
[11:30:03] <jthornton> no, a config folder has to have a tool table and a var file as well as the hal and ini file
[11:31:07] <MacGalempsy> so how do I use just the two files?
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[11:31:25] <jthornton> did you get the pin names by following the "Hal Pin Names" here
http://gnipsel.com/linuxcnc/configs/index.html
[11:31:37] <MacGalempsy> yes
[11:32:05] <jthornton> give me a min
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[11:32:46] <jthornton> I'm a ding bat, I should have put the rest of the files in there
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[11:36:42] <jthornton> there should be 5 files when you unzip the sample config from
http://freeby.mesanet.com/7i77.zip
[11:37:57] <MacGalempsy> sure was a slow night in the oil patch
[11:38:20] <MacGalempsy> only 1 out of 4 rigs drilling ahears
[11:38:23] <MacGalempsy> ahead
[11:38:44] <jthornton> land rigs or offshore?
[11:38:54] <MacGalempsy> land
[11:39:03] <MacGalempsy> still only 2 files that I can see there
[11:39:16] <MacGalempsy> 2 in ohio, 2 in oklahoma
[11:39:21] <jthornton> from that link
http://freeby.mesanet.com/7i77.zip
[11:39:29] <MacGalempsy> usually its texas
[11:39:45] <jthornton> hmm
[11:39:52] <MacGalempsy> yep. when I click on that link, the zip opens and only 2 files
[11:40:20] <jthornton> give me a moment
[11:40:35] <MacGalempsy> ok. going to get a cup of water
[11:43:13] <MacGalempsy> it would be cool to make a mini rotory steerable unit to sell to engineers that have it all ;)
[11:48:06] <jthornton> http://gnipsel.com/linuxcnc/configs/7i77.html
[11:48:21] <jthornton> download my sample config
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[11:49:44] <MacGalempsy> again the bp one had multi files, the sample only has 2
[11:50:49] <jthornton> refresh the page, there are 3 configs now
[11:50:59] <MacGalempsy> ah ok
[11:53:10] <MacGalempsy> cooll. going out to the garage. will log in on my laptop out there.
[11:56:01] <MacGalempsy> yay it worked
[11:57:20] <jthornton> woopee
[11:57:49] <MacGalempsy> im about to explode with excitement because its a whole new step in the right direction
[11:57:51] <jthornton> ok, you know you have working hardware, you can modify the sample config or continue with pncconf
[11:58:17] <MacGalempsy> so why would pncconf now work?
[11:58:57] <jthornton> you would have to ask on the forum about that
[11:59:10] <MacGalempsy> all I care is that it works.
[11:59:15] <jthornton> Chris Morley is pncconf
[11:59:42] <jthornton> I'm updating my page to have the files needed for the Mesa sample config to work... sorry about that
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[12:00:22] <jthornton> if you go into the sample ini file and set the items for each axis you should be able to move it
[12:00:40] <jthornton> set scale and limits
[12:01:12] <MacGalempsy> there is a z-brake
[12:01:46] <MacGalempsy> will have to hit that relay, I guess, but first x&y
[12:02:01] <jthornton> that should be released when the drive is energized
[12:02:28] <MacGalempsy> the zbrake is on its own power relay
[12:02:52] <MacGalempsy> two wires come down, but I can hotwire them to let the machine go up and down
[12:02:54] <jthornton> yes, you can connect many outputs to a single signal in hal
[12:04:43] <jthornton> actually my config does need quite a bit of hal added
[12:05:05] <MacGalempsy> so what do you do for a 9-5?
[12:05:49] <jthornton> I design and build automation equipment, I have a CNC machine shop in my back yard lol
[12:06:48] <jthornton> I used to work offshore on jackup rigs (Gulf and West Africa), build destroyers, overhaul submarines, and make nails
[12:07:28] <MacGalempsy> very cool. ive been a petroleum geologist for about the last 7 years, working onshore
[12:08:03] <jthornton> cool, I bet the oil field has changed a bit since I worked there
[12:08:36] <MacGalempsy> I do everything from the home office, they send me drilling data, it gets modeled and then reported
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[12:08:52] <jthornton> last rig I worked on we had a pipe spinner but it was broken most of the time so we threw the chain going in the hole
[12:08:57] <MacGalempsy> thus slow nights gives a lot of time to work on machines
[12:09:03] <jthornton> cool
[12:10:43] <MacGalempsy> my hopes are to use this machine to make a some injection molds for classic landcruiser parts
[12:10:59] <MacGalempsy> and work on some miniture drilling equipment
[12:11:20] <jthornton> cool
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[12:13:19] <MacGalempsy_> ok
[12:14:05] <Tom_itx> 24f.. brrrr
[12:15:23] <jthornton> I'm adding some stuff to my 7i77 sample config
[12:15:33] <jthornton> 37f here Tom and snowing
[12:15:50] <Tom_itx> no white, just.... brrrrr
[12:16:15] <Tom_itx> no cloud cover to keep it in
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[12:21:19] <jthornton> MacGalempsy, the first thing I do when testing an axis is to move the axis by hand and watch the DRO to be sure my feed back is connected correctly
[12:21:34] <jthornton> this is done before energizing the axis drive
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[12:28:45] <MacGalempsy_> no dro readout
[12:29:21] <jthornton> I updated my sample config with the hal items needed for a basic configuration
[12:29:43] <jthornton> refresh the page and get the latest config
[12:30:49] <MacGalempsy_> i dont have the faults and resets hooked up, guess those are needed to enable the drive
[12:31:34] <jthornton> you don't need to enable the drive to test the encoder counts and direction
[12:32:10] <jthornton> my original config did not connect any thing up to the encoders but the latest one should
[12:32:27] <MacGalempsy> oh there is another one since you had me download it the last time?
[12:32:38] <MacGalempsy> ok. let me redownload
[12:33:04] <jthornton> yes, I just uploaded it
[12:33:28] <MacGalempsy> ok cool
[12:34:28] <MacGalempsy> but first I need to edit the pins so the estop is to the correct port
[12:35:20] <jthornton> yes, are you using an external e-stop?
[12:35:25] <MacGalempsy> yes
[12:36:14] <jthornton> let me get the bit of hal you need to connect up the external estop
[12:36:54] <MacGalempsy> the pin is hm2_5i25.0.7i77.0.0.input-00 is typically ground. when the estop is hit, the it shows 24v
[12:37:08] <jthornton> http://linuxcnc.org/index.php/english/forum/47-hal-examples/25861-external-e-stop
[12:38:37] <MacGalempsy> net remote-estop estop-latch.0.fault-in <= hm2_5i25.0.7i77.0.0.pin-in00
[12:38:50] <MacGalempsy> just replace that last line in the code?
[12:38:55] <jthornton> change parport.0.pin-in10-not to hm2_5i25.0.7i77.0.0.input-00 in the example I linked to
[12:38:57] <jthornton> yes
[12:39:21] <jthornton> and comment out the std estop loop
[12:40:01] <MacGalempsy> that is the loopout and loopin, correct?
[12:40:45] <MacGalempsy> cool
[12:40:50] <jthornton> yes
[12:41:49] <MacGalempsy> ok, so my axis have max and min endstops
[12:42:00] <MacGalempsy> axes....
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[12:43:41] <jthornton> yes the min and max travels set the soft limits, after homing LinuxCNC will not allow the machine to exceed them
[12:44:33] <MacGalempsy> so the power is generally on, until the switch is hit
[12:45:33] <jthornton> after you clear the estop in LinuxCNC and then energize the power pressing the external estop should kill power and show estop on your config
[12:46:11] <jthornton> after pulling out the external estop you will need to press power (F2) again to restore power
[12:46:13] <MacGalempsy> so for now ignore the max limit switch?
[12:46:55] <jthornton> when your estop chain is working properly you can connect up the limit switches in hal
[12:48:04] <jthornton> axis.N.neg-lim-sw-in and axis.N.pos-lim-sw-in are the limit switch connections
[12:49:19] <jthornton> so something like net x-pos-limit axis.0.pos-lim-sw-in hm2_5i25.0.7i77.0.0.pin-in??
[12:49:35] <jthornton> with ?? being the pin number
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[13:07:43] <Jymmm> Today is: 11/12/13
[13:08:03] <_DJ_> hmm, in germany it is 12.11.13
[13:08:24] <cpresser> Today is Sweetmorn, the 24th day of The Aftermath in the YOLD 3179
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[13:14:57] <MacGalempsy> strange, the first file you put out there with all 5 files worked fine, this new one does not work at all
[13:15:35] <jthornton> what is the error?
[13:15:45] <MacGalempsy> the same as before, would not start
[13:15:51] <jthornton> I can't test it down here in the beer cave...
[13:15:56] <jthornton> dmesg
[13:16:26] <Jymmm> jthornton: It's not even noon yet ya lush!
[13:17:01] <jthornton> well I'm drinking blueberry juice... and surrounded by beer and wine
[13:17:16] <Jymmm> Blueberry Beer?
[13:17:30] <Jymmm> Blueberry Wine?
[13:17:42] <jthornton> I've made blueberry wine before
[13:18:08] <Jymmm> And now partaking the fruits of your labor
[13:18:51] <Jymmm> in liquid fermented form
[13:19:02] <jdh> it's a little early for that.
[13:19:30] <Jymmm> on your corn flakes
[13:19:40] <PetefromTn> Supposed to get BUTT cold her today apparently....also winds 20-30MPH....
[13:20:34] <PetefromTn> Makes me long for the warmth of South Florida LOL
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[13:21:32] <jthornton> until July...
[13:21:48] <alaubhan> ok pastebin
http://pastebin.com/JBbBL1Gh
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[13:23:23] <MacGalempsy___> that is the dmesg after the error
[13:24:08] <jthornton> hmmm I don't see anything, does LinuxCNC also give an error screen?
[13:24:15] <MacGalempsy> none
[13:24:23] <jthornton> I'll have to test it in a bit when I go out to the shop
[13:24:48] <MacGalempsy> ok. again, I appreciate your help. time for me to hit the sack.
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[13:25:25] <jthornton> ok, I updated my web page some more and I'll test the config on my machine to make sure it runs today and update that too
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[14:17:52] <JT_Shop> MacGalempsy___, when you wake up I fixed the config and uploaded to my web site.
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[14:33:07] <Tom_itx> MacGalempsy___, axis has a DRO by default
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[14:36:36] <Tom_itx> Jymmm, you should have waited to tell us at 14:15:16
[14:41:46] <Tom_itx> JT_Shop, why do you use a latch on estop?
[14:42:02] <Tom_itx> i was just looking at mine on the pendant
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[14:49:20] <Tom_itx> is it just for the soft estop 'circuit' ?
[14:49:37] <Tom_itx> so both can't be activated at once
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[15:24:12] <SadMan> what's the difference between latency-test and latency-test-atom?
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[17:25:58] <IchGuckLive> hi all B)
[17:26:09] <jdh> <all> hi
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[17:28:19] <IchGuckLive> at this time of the day linuxcnc is not very bussy as all are resting
[17:29:32] <WalterN> I'm getting ready to make a fancy program
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[17:29:46] <IchGuckLive> python or gcode
[17:29:47] <Tom_itx> to do what?
[17:29:50] <kwallace2> Too busy working.
[17:29:55] <WalterN> Gcode
[17:30:05] <IchGuckLive> nice i make this most time
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[17:30:11] <IchGuckLive> fancy is best
[17:30:18] <IchGuckLive> from image to gcode
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[17:30:34] <Tom_itx> using what?
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[17:30:49] <IchGuckLive> gimp incscape heeks
[17:31:19] <WalterN> its a die thing for thick electrical wires... there is a huge range of wire sizes, several hundred anyway. When the customer orders them they order maybe 50, but like 3-4 of each size
[17:31:25] <IchGuckLive> i do only need outlines
[17:31:53] <WalterN> getting ready to take a program for one size and make it a generic program to do a large range of sizes
[17:32:43] <IchGuckLive> WalterN: i woudt go for python as it is integreadet in linuxcnc you can d generate from that simple gcode
[17:32:45] <jdh> sounds well suited for a c/perl/python gcode generator
[17:32:55] <IchGuckLive> did you see our simple gcode examples on python
[17:33:04] <WalterN> IchGuckLive: that would be nice if the machine ran off of linuxCNC
[17:33:27] <WalterN> wait, what?
[17:33:31] <IchGuckLive> if it takes gcode why no
[17:34:32] <WalterN> also, I dont know python... mostly only C and java
[17:34:37] <IchGuckLive> http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?Simple_LinuxCNC_G-Code_Generators#Grid_Rectangular_Circular_SpiderNet_G_code_Generator
[17:35:01] <IchGuckLive> this is from me
[17:35:21] <IchGuckLive> also the airfoilgenerator witch meets your needs most
[17:35:46] <IchGuckLive> WalterN: you can see the dropdowns witch generate gcode for your need on your choice
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[17:36:06] <IchGuckLive> left drop down woudt be the size right the count
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[18:08:36] <jdh> l
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[18:10:31] <IchGuckLive> 2
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[18:25:07] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: =)
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[19:25:03] <IchGuckLive> im off BYE
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[19:25:09] <archivist> grmbl, Renishaw didnt bring the rotary encoders to the show today
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[19:55:18] <skunkworks> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=egSSJ6_JwOA&noredirect=1
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[21:19:30] <MacGalempsy> afternoon all
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[21:59:16] <_DJ_> gn8
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[22:14:30] <WalterN> what is the turning roughing command? G71?
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[22:36:00] <WalterN> seems so
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[22:49:51] <WalterN> herm
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[22:59:30] <WalterN> does G71 skip the block of code once its done?
[23:00:00] <WalterN> I mean...
[23:00:04] <WalterN> [cut stuff]
[23:00:24] <WalterN> G71 P1 Q5 [stuff]
[23:01:00] <WalterN> meh, need pastebin
[23:01:47] <WalterN> but everything between N1 and N5 is not run twice, right? G71 returns operation of the program at the end of N5
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[23:39:38] <JT_Shop> there is no G71
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[23:40:56] <Tom_itx> wow, did somebody change the font on the webpage?
[23:41:53] <JT_Shop> looks the same to me
[23:42:32] <Tom_itx> on the gcode page for example, the numbers appear smaller than before i think
[23:43:39] <Tom_itx> maybe it was a recent brouser update...
[23:43:41] <Tom_itx> who knows
[23:45:24] <JT_Shop> might have hit a key on your keyboard that changes text size
[23:45:57] <Tom_itx> it's the only place i've noticed it
[23:47:17] <JT_Shop> it does look like a different font
[23:49:10] <Tom_itx> G71 is metric parameter on a Fadal
[23:49:25] <Tom_itx> G70 inch
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[23:53:58] <WalterN> JT_Shop: what do you mean no G71?
[23:54:42] <WalterN> I was just reading about it in the fanuc operators manual
[23:57:14] <JT_Shop> oh then your on the wrong channel this is the LinuxCNC IRC channel
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[23:59:56] <WalterN> I know not of another CNC machine channel