#linuxcnc | Logs for 2013-11-08

[00:00:03] <roycroft> we're doubly metric :P
[00:00:43] <roycroft> so maybe in the 2070s folks will get with the plan
[00:00:47] <roycroft> third time's a charm, after all
[00:01:07] <andypugh> You probably would have been metric in 1813 except you were at war with us at the time, and the ship carrying the French chap with a metre standard was captured :-)
[00:01:23] <CaptHindsight> I thought M + any number was good for metric fasteners
[00:01:32] <roycroft> we started erecting road signs in km in the mid '70s
[00:01:34] <jdh> Mpi
[00:01:40] <roycroft> and then when ronald reagan was elected president they all came down
[00:01:48] <CaptHindsight> any whole number
[00:02:21] <jdh> M0?
[00:02:42] <roycroft> M00
[00:02:52] <roycroft> i haven't seen a metric cow lately
[00:04:16] <CaptHindsight> http://tinyurl.com/mbvsv45 in Texas (sort of like the USA)
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[00:07:22] <andypugh> That story about the captured metre standard was something I read in: http://www.amazon.com/World-Balance-Historic-Absolute-Measurement/dp/0393072983/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1383869188&sr=8-2&keywords=World+in+the+Balance Which is a book I found very interesting.
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[00:09:04] <andypugh> CaptHindsight: $38 for the minumum order and they won't ship to the UK..
[00:09:40] <andypugh> FreezingCold: Did you try seeing if splitting the program into two halves leaves you with two programs that run, or one that runs and one that crashes?
[00:09:55] <FreezingCold> [18:49:15] <FreezingCold> cradek: turns out it was the comments added by pycam
[00:09:55] <FreezingCold> [18:49:20] <FreezingCold> and the brackets
[00:09:55] <FreezingCold> [18:49:24] <FreezingCold> so took those out, and bangggggg
[00:09:55] <FreezingCold> [18:49:26] <FreezingCold> :)
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[00:10:32] <CaptHindsight> andypugh: what length do you need?
[00:10:50] <andypugh> 16mm.
[00:12:09] <andypugh> I will just make one.
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[00:17:56] * cpresser wonders if you earn much money if you open a webshop which sells metric stuff to US/UK customers
[00:18:22] <cpresser> or vice versa, imperial for all others :)
[00:19:13] <andypugh> Pretty much all fasteners used in the UK are metric. You can get Imperial from spcialists, but only for old stuff.
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[00:21:04] <somenewguy> I live in the US and only use metric
[00:21:20] <somenewguy> cause I drive a german car, I stock all metric hardware, and then decided my company would be metric too
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[00:21:33] <somenewguy> even tho all our parts are dimensioned in inches, metric hardware is so much damn easier to keep straight
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[00:59:48] <WalterN> C4-SVJBL-27050-11B
[01:00:00] <WalterN> not finding the inserts for that tool holder
[01:00:28] <WalterN> I am finding C4-SVJBL-27050-16 pretty easily... not sure what the difference is
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[01:17:47] <ChuangTzu> inserts?
[01:18:49] <WalterN> http://www2.coromant.sandvik.com/coromant/pdf/metalworking_products_061/main_a_14.pdf
[01:19:23] <WalterN> page 7
[01:20:17] <WalterN> what does gauge inserts mean?
[01:21:28] <ChuangTzu> hmm
[01:21:32] <ChuangTzu> no idea
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[01:22:52] <WalterN> herm
[01:25:03] <Jymmm> what page?
[01:25:26] <Jymmm> and dont say 7
[01:26:42] <WalterN> A 123
[01:27:05] <Jymmm> where?
[01:27:16] <WalterN> the most recently linked PDF
[01:27:16] <Jymmm> oh
[01:27:28] <Jymmm> I meant where on the page, but found it
[01:27:59] <WalterN> C4-SVJBL-27050-11
[01:28:04] <WalterN> well
[01:28:09] <WalterN> R/L
[01:28:53] <WalterN> mine might be an 11-B1, but I donno about that... I have an insert sitting in front of me that came out of that tool holder
[01:29:00] <Jymmm> http://www.sandvik.coromant.com/en-us/products/pages/productdetails.aspx?c=VBMT%2011%2002%2004-UF%201025
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[01:29:16] <WalterN> thats what I did too
[01:29:27] <WalterN> but the insert sitting infront of me is not that thickness
[01:29:32] <Jymmm> One is the head, the other is the insert
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[01:29:51] <WalterN> it is 0.14" thick
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[01:32:01] <WalterN> unless somebody stuck the next size up insert in it or something
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[02:03:29] <somenewguy> here is a hellishly open ended question
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[02:03:34] <somenewguy> how do you guys maintain your gcode?
[02:03:46] <Tom_itx> what do you mean maintain?
[02:03:54] <Tom_itx> periodic oil change?
[02:03:55] <somenewguy> I mean when you code something, make it, tweak it, etc
[02:04:11] <somenewguy> how do you manage to keep track of "this code is perfect and functional"
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[02:04:18] <Tom_itx> i write mine in cad cam and tweak the gcode in a txt editor
[02:04:23] <somenewguy> "this code works but part correctness is unkown" and "work in progress"
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[02:04:33] <Tom_itx> i don't keep bad code
[02:04:52] <Tom_itx> also put them in project directories
[02:05:00] <Tom_itx> labeled in some sensible way
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[02:05:07] <somenewguy> so when you are woring w/ code, you sit with it till its done, first session every time?
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[02:05:19] <somenewguy> I am working with that system myself, but it feels like it could be better
[02:05:21] <Tom_itx> usually
[02:05:43] <Tom_itx> unless i'm confident enough it's good then i'll just run it
[02:05:45] <somenewguy> I am tempted ot use git lol, but honestlly i have no clue if that will just waste time or help
[02:06:09] <Tom_itx> well if it's not proprietary
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[02:06:14] <Tom_itx> some of mine was
[02:06:28] <somenewguy> my biggest issue is having 2 or 3 minor differences in parts that will look identical in code
[02:06:50] <somenewguy> I figured there was no good answer, and my system si getting much better thanks to using subroutines wherever possible
[02:07:07] <Tom_itx> someone here wrote a macro for such a situation
[02:07:16] <Tom_itx> where he could set variables for various features
[02:08:29] <Tom_itx> generally if i have more than one position, i use the part name with a _P1 _P2 etc to indicate the position
[02:08:33] <somenewguy> speaking of which, si there a walk thru or "for dummies" tutorial for ngcgui
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[02:08:54] <somenewguy> as for keeping track of code sounds like we have the same ideas
[02:09:13] <somenewguy> I have a folder system that works pretty well, and arule about, when in doubt, nuke it and start over
[02:09:27] <somenewguy> helps that my parts are simple
[02:09:38] <Tom_itx> i usually go back to the model and fix it there
[02:09:54] <Tom_itx> unless i'm tweaking the code for ultimate speed and no air cuts
[02:10:02] <somenewguy> oh my parts are very very very simple
[02:10:13] <somenewguy> i don't even have true CAM software yet
[02:10:15] <Tom_itx> would be silly to do that unless you were running production
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[02:10:18] <somenewguy> mostly just large hole patterns
[02:10:28] <somenewguy> or small, with a slot or two lol
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[02:11:09] <somenewguy> ssoon I will have models to tweak again, gotta settle on a software package still for CAD. shame everything isn't free lol
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[02:16:46] <Tom_itx> good ones aren't
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[02:25:14] <somenewguy> not at all
[02:25:46] <somenewguy> I desperatly want varicad to work out for me, but the work flow is like what cadkey was 10 years ago
[02:26:05] <somenewguy> so I am hellishly slow working in it, and it's only really parametric on 3d models, 2d models are lumpy and oldschool
[02:26:30] <Tom_itx> mine is old school but it's paid for and it's mine
[02:26:37] <Tom_itx> and it still does full 3d models
[02:26:41] <somenewguy> BUT it works nativly in linux so that is a big plus
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[02:27:13] <somenewguy> its either varicad or alibre at this point
[02:27:32] <somenewguy> which boils down to which is more important to me, version control in alibre, or linux for varicad
[02:27:44] <somenewguy> still a toss up, I have a demo version of each and am trying to log hours w/ em as fast as possible
[02:27:46] <Tom_itx> around here most machine shops use catia nowdays
[02:27:54] <Tom_itx> some still use mastercam
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[02:27:58] <Tom_itx> i have smartcam
[02:28:13] <Tom_itx> catia is not cheap
[02:28:27] <Tom_itx> my bud paid 75k for a seat
[02:29:21] <Tom_itx> and you still have to add a windows post
[02:29:21] <somenewguy> i only heard of catia recently when I was reading about Solidworks, which has been my goto program ever since I started college
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[02:29:35] <somenewguy> of course I graduated now and am looking longly at a copy of it, but its like 6-12k for a seat
[02:29:42] <somenewguy> mastercam does CAD?
[02:29:47] <Tom_itx> yes
[02:29:47] <somenewguy> I thought it only did the cam conversion
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[02:29:51] <Tom_itx> cad cam
[02:30:51] <somenewguy> oh interesting
[02:30:51] <Tom_itx> i haven't looked at it for years
[02:30:51] <somenewguy> so you use smartcam, that does cadcam?
[02:30:51] <Tom_itx> i didn't like it as well as smartcam at the time
[02:30:51] <Tom_itx> yes
[02:30:51] <somenewguy> how much is a seat of that?
[02:30:51] <Tom_itx> 20+ yrs ago i gave around 6 or 8k
[02:31:16] <Tom_itx> if you like solidworks get that with a cam addon
[02:31:31] <Tom_itx> i like it but i'm not good with it
[02:32:10] <somenewguy> I guess time wil ltell
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[02:32:20] <somenewguy> currerntly the packages I am looking at are in the 1500 range, which is more justifiable for now
[02:32:30] <Tom_itx> if you're just a hobbyist it would be silly to get a commercial package
[02:32:50] <somenewguy> true
[02:32:54] <Tom_itx> if not, it's worth getting the right thing once
[02:33:07] <somenewguy> I havea rule where any expensive tool Ibuy needs to pay for itself, and currently I don't have a good project where a cad package would pay for itself
[02:33:14] <Tom_itx> all mine have
[02:33:21] <somenewguy> I'm hoping to come up w/ such a project
[02:33:28] <Tom_itx> it paid for itself in the first year
[02:33:50] <somenewguy> comparing my speed on the different packages, I can imagine what pro quality will save you in time when you are actually doing real work
[02:34:13] <Tom_itx> there's a learning curve to any of em
[02:34:15] <somenewguy> and there DEFFINATLY isn't a free CAD package out there that can even begin to be consideredgood enough
[02:34:42] <somenewguy> true, but my first 2 years of school I used solidworks, autocad invertor, and proE
[02:34:55] <jdh> draftsight. for some definition of 'free' and 'good'. 2d though
[02:35:13] <somenewguy> and I got much faster much quicker in any one of those 3 than I have so far in anything else I have tried, alibre and varicad included
[02:35:34] <Tom_itx> http://www.nccs.com/pages/nccs_home.html
[02:35:38] <Tom_itx> good for multi axis
[02:35:40] <Tom_itx> i hear
[02:35:46] <somenewguy> I've been meaning to try draftsight, sometimes 2d is all you need to quickly make something on the mill
[02:36:38] <Tom_itx> ngcgui will do most of that for you
[02:37:48] <somenewguy> true, if you have dimensions lying around it seems so far
[02:38:09] <somenewguy> unless I have yet to find the awesome tools for ngcgui, which is quite possible
[02:38:24] <somenewguy> it is hard to use unless you have a checklist infront of you "10 hole pattern here, slot here, etc etc"
[02:38:51] <somenewguy> I am a visual guy, I alwaysn eed an annotated sketch to try and verify my code
[02:39:24] <Tom_itx> http://gnipsel.com/linuxcnc/ngcgui/index.html
[02:40:15] <somenewguy> saw somethign on that site
[02:43:56] <somenewguy> o100 if [#<tool> NE #5400]
[02:43:56] <somenewguy> T#<tool> M6 G43
[02:43:56] <somenewguy> o100 endif
[02:43:56] <somenewguy> that is to check inside a subroutine that the proper tool is loaded, if not, load it
[02:43:56] <somenewguy> why would you need that? I thought I noticed the other day that if you call for a tool change on a tool that is already loaded it just skips over it
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[02:57:10] <tjb1> 64gb flash drive for $16 - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=20-178-660
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[03:28:00] <KimK> tjb1: Yours says $16? Mine says $34.99 on sale for $24.99 (22% off) after rebate (I hate rebates, why don't the mfgr and retailer sort it out themselves, why drag me into it? Just lower the price. Or don't.) 25% off with some promo code, but I didn't bother to check it out.
[03:28:30] <KimK> tjb1: But nevermind all that, how are you?
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[03:46:08] <somenewguy> I'm haivng some trouble setting up ngcgui
[03:46:20] <somenewguy> where in my path is the sim config directory?
[03:46:36] <somenewguy> i foudn it no problem on my home pc that has only sim installed, but I can't find it here on my shop pc
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[03:49:37] <Tom_itx> did you create a sim?
[03:50:27] <WalterN> somenewguy: http://www.openplm.org/trac you asked about keeping track of good programs and stuff
[03:50:47] <somenewguy> no
[03:50:51] <WalterN> I havent used it, but it seems like a good thing to have
[03:51:10] <somenewguy> the way I understand it, inside the sim directory is the handfull of demo ngcgui programs
[03:51:25] <somenewguy> so I was gonna add it to my search path so I can use them as advertised here
[03:51:37] <somenewguy> http://linuxcnc.org/docs/html/gui/ngcgui.html
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[03:51:45] <somenewguy> but my config folder only has the configs I made
[03:51:53] <somenewguy> I can't figure out where the pre-rolled ones live
[03:52:10] <somenewguy> or are they only sitting on my liveCD and never made it to the real install since I never asked for them?
[03:52:48] <atom1> SUBROUTINE_PATH = /home/tom/linuxcnc/nc_files/ngcgui_lib:/home/tom/linuxcnc/nc_files/ngcgui_lib/utilitysubs
[03:52:48] <atom1> USER_M_PATH = /home/tom/linuxcnc/nc_files/ngcgui_lib/mfiles:/home/tom/linuxcnc/nc_files/
[03:52:56] <atom1> that's what i have for it
[03:53:24] <somenewguy> ok maybe its not as recursive as I thought
[03:53:41] <somenewguy> I'll add full directory, I stopped at nggui_lib i think\
[03:54:35] <atom1> some of that could be for other stuff too
[03:54:49] <somenewguy> SUBROUTINE_PATH = /home/cnc/mysubs:../../../nc_files/ngcgui_lib:../../../nc_files/ngcgui_lib/utilitysubs
[03:54:53] <somenewguy> hmmm
[03:58:19] <somenewguy> ok it is not seeing files that are deffintly in the search path
[03:59:00] <somenewguy> when it says "restart required" it means axis, not hte pc, right?
[03:59:25] <somenewguy> I changed my ../../../ to explicit location of the files and it is not turning up
[03:59:28] <atom1> i believe so
[04:00:18] <atom1> http://tom-itx.dyndns.org:81/~webpage/cnc/configs/sherline/
[04:00:24] <atom1> you can look at my ini
[04:00:41] <somenewguy> AHAH!
[04:00:46] <somenewguy> I misplaced a leading /
[04:01:07] <somenewguy> so it didn't throw an error which is kidn of wierd, but it was ont actually in the directory I was asking for
[04:01:32] <somenewguy> "home/cnc/path_to_stuff" failed without error
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[04:01:43] <somenewguy> "/home/cnc/path_to_stuff" worked
[04:01:45] <somenewguy> derp
[04:01:50] <somenewguy> thanks anyways tho!
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[04:02:01] <Tom_itx> np
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[05:05:44] <somenewguy> argh, I am getting an "unkown m code" error
[05:06:01] <somenewguy> and no heads up as to which line, and I can't find it in the qpocket.ngc I am using for hte first time
[05:08:02] <somenewguy> I did a search for M1, M2, etc all the way to M0, and only found M2s and M3s, those should be fine....
[05:08:07] <somenewguy> can unkown mcode mean osmething else?
[05:08:19] <KimK> somenewguy: Post what you're using on http://pastebin.com/ (or your favorite place) and let us look at it.
[05:10:35] <somenewguy> ok here is the code
[05:10:37] <somenewguy> http://pastebin.com/a2CKUnRM
[05:10:41] <somenewguy> its like 95% comments
[05:10:45] <somenewguy> and here is the sub
[05:12:53] <somenewguy> http://pastebin.com/bauARLNX
[05:13:05] <somenewguy> sorry the only thign slower than this pc is my internet conection out here
[05:23:15] <KimK> I think you need an M2 after the end of your subroutine, after o<qpocket> endsub, after line 455. Try that first, maybe?
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[05:33:38] <somenewguy> there is already an M2 at the end of the code, if you look at the first pastebin
[05:33:54] <somenewguy> I belive the ngcgui inserts that magically
[05:34:05] <somenewguy> *inserted
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[05:41:39] <KimK> OK, but I think your subr needs an M2 at the end of it too, if you are calling it as a separate file.
[05:42:51] <KimK> If you include a subr in the calling file (it must appear first in the code), then you only need one M2 at the end.
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[07:17:20] <MacGalempsy> slow night in here tonight
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[08:32:08] <_DJ_> moin
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[09:39:44] <MacGalempsy_> morning _DJ_
[09:40:01] <_DJ_> good morning macGalempsy
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[13:55:51] <Jymmm> Are industrial rubys cheap?
[14:00:54] <Tom_itx> cheaper than industrial diamonds
[14:01:53] <Tom_itx> FOB Price: US $49-105 / Kilogram
[14:02:05] <Tom_itx> min 1kg
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[14:03:55] <Tom_itx> you making watches?
[14:04:19] <Tom_itx> lasers?
[14:04:56] <Jymmm> No, my trackball uses them but they've changed their mold-injection somehow so the holder deforms and makes it useless/course
[14:05:09] <Jymmm> coarse
[14:05:40] <Jymmm> I do have one where the ruby looks "chipped"
[14:06:31] <Jymmm> I was tinking of replacing them with chrome bearings instead
[14:06:46] <Tom_itx> i've never looked inside mine
[14:07:39] <Jymmm> I also want to replace their crap plastic balls in the scrollring with trustbearing if i can find the right size
[14:08:01] <Jymmm> apx 3" OD, 2.75" ID
[14:08:41] <Tom_itx> machine a new trackball from billet Ti
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[14:09:17] <Tom_itx> that way it won't warp
[14:09:26] <Jymmm> Sure, let me get the Ti billet from ya
[14:09:39] <Tom_itx> i'll get some today at the scrap for ya
[14:09:40] <Tom_itx> :D
[14:09:56] <Jymmm> you do that =)
[14:10:05] <Tom_itx> they actually have 3' rectangular al there
[14:10:31] <Jymmm> oj, and Pt too while you're at it
[14:10:35] <Jymmm> oh*
[14:10:44] <Tom_itx> i don't think they have much Ti actually
[14:10:55] <Jymmm> s/much/any/
[14:11:11] <Tom_itx> maybe some sheet and small roundbar
[14:11:31] <Jymmm> Why would you use ruby over chrome balls?
[14:11:47] <Tom_itx> what's the hardness of both?
[14:11:55] <Jymmm> 9 ruby
[14:12:25] <Jymmm> Ruby has a Mohs hardness of 9.
[14:12:31] <Jymmm> Diamond - 10
[14:13:19] <Tom_itx> they must have taken a hint from watchmakers
[14:13:22] <Jymmm> http://periodictable.com/Properties/A/MohsHardness.al.html
[14:14:08] <Jymmm> Molybdenum 5.5MPa
[14:14:30] <Jymmm> Titanium 6.MPa
[14:14:45] <Jymmm> Platinum 3.5MPa
[14:15:55] <Jymmm> Maybe they did, but with a cueball sized ball, the ruby chips, and the ABS holder deforms over time
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[14:20:41] <Tom_itx> get one from an old arcade
[14:21:21] <Tom_itx> http://www.itacsystems.com/38-50mm.html
[14:21:27] <Tom_itx> build that into your desk
[14:22:30] <Jymmm> heh
[14:24:15] <Tom_itx> i used to use a thumb ball but not so much anymore
[14:24:27] <Jymmm> If I'm ging to go all out like that, I might as well build a reverse galvinometer that reacts to my hand movement
[14:24:48] <Tom_itx> i was looking for such a trackball
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[14:24:56] <Tom_itx> i know a dude that had one he used in Acad
[14:24:59] <Jymmm> a ballless one?
[14:25:13] <Tom_itx> it had a ball but you 'felt' it instead of moved it
[14:25:20] <Jymmm> ah
[14:26:37] <Tom_itx> i can't remember the Mfg
[14:28:24] <Jymmm> I'd still need a scrollring somehow
[14:29:26] <Valen> spaceball
[14:30:36] <Jymmm> That's just a cdconnex with a ball attached
[14:30:46] <Jymmm> not really a mouse/trackball
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[14:31:21] <Jymmm> Valen: do you have one?
[14:31:30] <Valen> nope
[14:33:31] <Jymmm> I *wish* they made it as a 3D/mouse
[14:35:28] <Tom_itx> http://www.3dconnexion.com/buy/shop.html?list_product_type=device
[14:35:29] <Tom_itx> bingo
[14:35:56] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: we were just talking about those =)
[14:36:09] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: they're not mice replacements
[14:36:09] <Tom_itx> i know
[14:36:23] <Tom_itx> well they should be
[14:36:33] <Jymmm> they should, but aren't
[14:37:04] <Jymmm> http://www.amazon.com/3DConnexion-SpaceBall-12-Button-Trackball-Mouse/dp/B003NYIGUQ
[14:37:39] <Tom_itx> that's somewhat similar to what he had
[14:38:11] <Tom_itx> they had very few drivers at the time
[14:38:11] <Jymmm> ah
[14:38:14] <Tom_itx> acad was one
[14:38:21] <Jymmm> still very few =)
[14:38:34] <Jymmm> well, limited actually
[14:40:04] <Tom_itx> that was back when you had a separate ram board in your pc to do cad :)
[14:40:24] <jdh> and if you were lucky, a FPU
[14:40:42] <Jymmm> and > 640KB
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[15:34:07] <JT_Shop> a new low for me 15.285714286 stone
[15:39:43] <archivist_herron> 9 decimal places! one fart and that will be incorrect
[15:40:07] <PetefromTn> Hell I got ya beat LOL...
[15:40:47] <JT_Shop> it's already incorrect
[15:41:10] <PetefromTn> 15.7142857 stone
[15:41:23] <JT_Shop> ya beat me the wrong way
[15:41:34] <PetefromTn> But I just finished eating a glazed donut so who knows man....LOL
[15:41:56] <JT_Shop> lol my target is 13 stone
[15:41:58] <PetefromTn> Its all good unless you are a short bastard...
[15:42:42] <JT_Shop> I'm not short, just height challenged
[15:42:54] <PetefromTn> damn I have not seen 180 in years...
[15:43:07] <PetefromTn> USed to be a skinny bastard now I am "FULL"
[15:43:27] <JT_Shop> me neither, but 1hr of mountain biking a day makes it come closer every week
[15:43:43] <JT_Shop> my shape used to be round
[15:43:47] <PetefromTn> Are you on any particular die?
[15:43:49] <JT_Shop> got tired of that shape
[15:43:52] <PetefromTn> diet?
[15:44:14] <JT_Shop> no, I just manage my calorie intake to be less than I burn each day
[15:44:18] <PetefromTn> I ride my custom built home-made recumbent bike on the local trail and greenways.
[15:44:33] <JT_Shop> got a photo of it?
[15:44:51] <PetefromTn> never went actuallly mountain biking but have owned several including a Cannondale awhile back.
[15:44:58] <PetefromTn> Yeah somewhere.. Lemme see.
[15:47:57] <PetefromTn> http://imagebin.org/276207 This was before I added some better components, a bike computer, and an actual recumbent fork. It was wearing a mongoose BMX bike fork here....
[15:48:46] <PetefromTn> http://imagebin.org/276208
[15:50:06] <PetefromTn> Still need to get a set of matching brake handles LOL and I want to make a nice mount for my Smartphone so I can use the GPS while I ride.
[15:52:33] <jdh> I got a bag that mounts on the bar&stem that holds my phone
[15:52:47] <jdh> touchscreen works fine through the clear top
[15:54:39] <jdh> guess that won't work on an old-folks recumbent though
[15:56:53] <JT_Shop> PetefromTn, did you build it from parts?
[15:59:18] <JT_Shop> is there a link between the handlebars and the fork on the far side?
[16:02:13] <CaptHindsight> PetefromTn: http://imagebin.org/276211 custom built home-made recumbent bike?
[16:02:31] <PetefromTn> No I built it from scratch except for the rear triangle which came from a ten speed.
[16:02:47] <CaptHindsight> oh the red one!
[16:03:01] <PetefromTn> There is only the link on the left side with a ball mount.
[16:03:19] <PetefromTn> CaptHindsight: LOL exactly...
[16:03:29] <PetefromTn> My kids neglected toys LOL
[16:04:06] <Jymmm> PetefromTn: Uh, is that a passanger front seat? (6" red pipe)?
[16:04:19] <jdh> that would be a passenger 'mount'
[16:04:26] <Jymmm> lol
[16:04:42] <PetefromTn> Gotta go meet my six year old for lunch at school BRB..
[16:04:59] <Jymmm> jdh: and the sproket is.....
[16:07:08] <jdh> painful.
[16:07:41] <Jymmm> heh
[16:08:08] <jdh> I got new pedals for mine the other day, but it gets dark shortly after I get home.
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[16:09:11] <JT_Shop> get headlights
[16:09:38] <jdh> I only have streets to ride on. I'm more worried about being hit.
[16:12:32] <JT_Shop> that sucks
[16:13:02] <jdh> yeah. I think they should make the time so it is always sunset at 9pm
[16:13:11] <JT_Shop> they are building 26 miles of mountain bike trails about 5 miles from my house, they have about 14 miles done
[16:13:20] <jdh> cool
[16:13:50] <JT_Shop> I rode the hwy (4 lane 65 mph) a few times but didn't like the noise
[16:14:25] <jdh> I try to stick to residential areas. Not much in the way of shoulders or friendly drivers here.
[16:15:05] <Jymmm> jdh: do you stop at stop signs?
[16:15:14] <jdh> they are working on a cross-city bike path, but it is currently unconnected and crosses some major roads.
[16:15:42] <jdh> Jymm: if I am on real roads I do. Not usually for inter-neighborhood ones though.
[16:17:19] <CaptHindsight> are they paved bike trails?
[16:17:57] <jdh> ours are (will be)
[16:18:44] <CaptHindsight> most here are paved withing 50 miles of the city, they connect with national trails that I hear are mostly gravel
[16:19:11] <JT_Shop> these trails are natural
[16:19:48] <jdh> mine isn't much of a city. 50 miles from here is either ocean, swamp, or middle of no where.
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[16:20:32] <CaptHindsight> JT_Shop: is you area hills and valleys?
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[16:26:20] <CaptHindsight> http://www.3ders.org/articles/20131107-world-first-3d-printed-metal-gun.html
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[16:27:39] <CaptHindsight> yikes, use a better test stand
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[16:29:25] <JT_Shop> CaptHindsight, yes
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[16:31:40] <JT_Shop> CaptHindsight, http://www.mapmyride.com/workout/418597981
[16:32:09] <JT_Shop> you can see the route and elevation change
[16:32:19] <jdh> you have to be a 'friend' to see someone elses workout
[16:32:30] <JT_Shop> hmm that sucks
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[16:33:07] <jdh> there is an option in the app to make it visible to you, friends, all (android version anyway)
[16:33:47] <JT_Shop> let me see if I can find it
[16:34:16] <JT_Shop> is there a place to get games for your andriod like solitare? I'm a new not know how android user
[16:34:45] <JT_Shop> see if you can view it now
[16:35:27] <jdh> there are billions of solitaires... play.google.com
[16:36:06] <JT_Shop> ok thanks, the eye phone has the app center thing so I was looking for something like that
[16:36:12] <JT_Shop> new not know how yet
[16:36:38] <jdh> it is listed as "Play Store" on the phone
[16:37:05] <jdh> but, if you are at a computer, you can do it via the web interface and also download to your device from there.
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[16:43:34] <PetefromTn> Okay back again. We actually have some nice local trails and of course you can bike in the Great Smoky Mountains National Park around cades Cove Loop road too.
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[17:15:24] <jdh> in Murville?
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[17:18:18] <PetefromTn> yp...
[17:19:04] <PetefromTn> talkin road trail here but there are also lots of offroad trails around here too.
[17:23:50] <jdh> no hills at all here. One of the weirdest parts of moving here from knoxville
[17:24:01] <archivist> I prefer to get paid to exercise, voluntary exercise seems like effort :)
[17:24:30] <jdh> I prefer getting paid to think.
[17:25:11] <skunkworks> I perfer to get paid for whatever I want to do..
[17:25:30] <archivist> I can feel my muscles tonight after shifting a ton or more
[17:26:41] <jdh> Ideally, I would get paid for doing nothing but I haven't had much luck with that.
[17:27:04] <jdh> well... some days I guess I do.
[17:28:54] <archivist> and after some rough calculations over 2 tons
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[17:35:53] <PetefromTn> You guys wanna hear a crazy freakin' Idea I had..
[17:41:21] <archivist> is the crazy infectious
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[17:58:01] <IchGuckLive> hi all B)
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[18:08:27] <PetefromTn> Actually on second though I just told it to my wife and she laughed at me so forget it LOL...
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[18:15:17] <jthornton> in that case we really want to hear it
[18:15:53] <PetefromTn> ;)
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[18:49:17] <IchGuckLive> im cutting the harvest videos
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[19:05:09] <IchGuckLive> its heavy rain outside
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[19:08:40] <IchGuckLive> not as heavy as in the philipines but its quite a bit for germany
[19:08:59] <IchGuckLive> http://www.nrlmry.navy.mil/TC.html
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[19:09:20] <IchGuckLive> Haiyuan is a supercyclon
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[19:17:59] <IchGuckLive> im off BYE
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[20:41:03] <tjb1> KimK, sorry had to hit the bed last night
[20:41:17] <tjb1> It came out to $16 after coupon and rebate, still a good deal and Newegg is a good place for rebates
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[21:07:31] <KimK> tjb1: Hi, hey great, glad you got a good deal. I don't know why they marked up the price for me, I guess I'm not on their "preferred customer" list... ("Who? Never heard of him. Tell him it's double!")
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[21:11:21] <tjb1> Did you put in the coupon code?
[21:11:31] <tjb1> It would of dropped it to $26
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[21:15:41] <KimK> No, I didn't bother, I don't like to help or encourage rebates. Like I said, if they want to lower the price, fine. Or else don't. None of this in-between stuff, I have enough extra work to do already. Hey, I don't mean to seem grouchy, how are you doing?
[21:17:35] <tjb1> Good, done with work. Get to relax all weekend and probably do BF4
[21:18:36] <KimK> BF4?
[21:20:30] <tjb1> Battlefield 4
[21:21:56] <KimK> Ah, it must be either a new movie or a new video game?
[21:22:04] <KimK> Maybe both?
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[21:23:32] <WalterN> its a popular computer game
[21:23:44] <tjb1> I play it on xbox :)
[21:24:22] * KimK probably got an email offering to send an explanation, but they wanted me to send in a rebate form...
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[21:24:37] <WalterN> what are you talking about?
[21:25:50] <KimK> Who, me? I'm just blathering, never mind.
[21:26:42] <tjb1> Maybe finish 3D printing my prototype CAT40 gripper :D
[21:28:27] <tjb1> Here's a preview - https://www.dropbox.com/s/h7w7ebbm772a1ij/2013-11-08%2016.27.32.jpg
[21:29:19] <PetefromTn> Hey thats pretty sweet man.
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[21:30:48] <KimK> tjb1: Yes, looks good. And speaking of that bottle of water by your keyboard, don't I still owe you your CD case(s) and whatever was with them (bottle of water, something else)?
[21:31:19] <tjb1> Thanks! Shop is a little busy to push through the parts right now so I am printing them at home to make 100% sure that everything works
[21:31:24] <tjb1> What's that KimK?
[21:31:55] <KimK> Did you leave a CD case(s) here? Or was that someone else?
[21:32:06] <tjb1> I think you have me confused with someone else :)
[21:32:18] <KimK> OK, someone else then. Nevermind.
[21:32:31] <tjb1> I live in NY
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[21:36:20] <KimK> Back in a bit, need to restart
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[21:38:53] <tjb1> PetefromTn: I printed the threads on the white pieces, 2-5/8 - 16
[21:39:02] <tjb1> Had to file the externals a bit to get it to work
[21:39:15] <PetefromTn> Hey man thats cheating LOL
[21:40:09] <PetefromTn> Oh if only we could really print them from a hardened tool steel or something. I know they are working with epoxy based metal but that is not the same thing I think.
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[21:42:12] <tjb1> PetefromTn: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CsEqKbNalh4
[21:44:09] <PetefromTn> Yeah I have seen similar. Interesting but not sure it replaces the old fashioned subtractive processes LOL
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[21:47:30] <tjb1> We can only dream!
[21:47:47] <WalterN> can I open a bobcad cam file with a normal text editor?
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[21:49:54] <WalterN> herm, weird
[21:53:18] <tjb1> The g-code file?
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[21:54:01] <WalterN> yeah
[21:54:19] <WalterN> it was all screwy, so I saved it as .txt
[21:54:54] <WalterN> instead of the default .cnc
[21:55:42] <tjb1> Screwy even in notepad?
[21:55:51] <WalterN> I opened it in Gedit
[21:56:18] <WalterN> it has a lot of extra 'jumble'
[21:57:47] <_DJ_> gn8
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[22:00:09] <PetefromTn> sure I open TXT files all the time that way.
[22:00:57] <WalterN> PetefromTn: yeah, but it seems from bobcad, the CAM files that it saves as (.cnc) is not pure text
[22:01:26] <tjb1> Anyone have any experience with these? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RtLCbvUvhRs
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[22:04:14] <tjb1> I may try to print one
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[22:05:09] <andypugh> Am I being over-sensitive or is the commenter (Sirius) being a bit of an ass-hat here, talking about my video? (Yoi may have to expand his comment) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uycWEX3_eHA&feature=share&list=UUexvgsGz_QFvOublovDYoTQ
[22:06:54] <PetefromTn> WalterN: DUnno man don't have Bobcadcam sorry.
[22:07:00] <tjb1> " I know a lot about machining tools, but no hand on experience"
[22:07:11] <tjb1> Instant disqualification as an idiot :)
[22:07:23] <tjb1> Or qualification as an idiot?
[22:07:33] <tjb1> Dunno, he is an idiot lol
[22:08:02] <WalterN> tjb1: somebody said that on a job application?
[22:08:30] <andypugh> It's quite funny his suggestion that I should watch Keith Fenner videos, he is one of my subscribers :-)
[22:08:54] <tjb1> Where is U axis?
[22:08:59] <tjb1> WalterN: from comment on video
[22:10:41] <andypugh> Typo, I meant Y axis.
[22:11:05] <PetefromTn> Climb cutting with a huge cutter if there was excess slop you would know it pretty quick no?
[22:11:21] <tjb1> andypugh: Nice touchscreen setup
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[22:12:30] <andypugh> The Gibbs probably do need work, in truth.
[22:12:31] <WalterN> oh heh
[22:13:36] <Connor> Okay, so, Thread going on the mailing list about a usb cam for edge finder.. But, I've yet to see one listed... Anyone know of a good one to use ? and how are they mounting it? Direct inline with spindle, or offset on it's own mount ?
[22:13:57] <andypugh> I think Ruffle gave the name of the one he used.
[22:14:42] <WalterN> anyone know of any good places to host email and website, where I dont have to set up all the crazyness for the email?
[22:15:02] <cradek> I've heard good things about fastmail.fm for email
[22:15:19] <cradek> no idea where to host a website
[22:15:31] <andypugh> I have been with newbieite for several years, and it's fine.
[22:15:42] <andypugh> (newbiesite)
[22:16:07] <tjb1> www.000webhost.com is free
[22:16:09] <andypugh> You get lots of email addresses and a website (with the toys, like PHP and SQLite)
[22:16:27] <tjb1> http://www.namecheap.com/ for domain
[22:16:29] <WalterN> screw PHP
[22:17:08] <WalterN> I dont mind setting up email and spam prevention and stuff, its just kinda a pain in the butt
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[22:17:44] <WalterN> esp. SSL for something like IMAPS
[22:19:13] <Connor> http://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net/threads/27425-A-mill-camera?highlight=lifecam
[22:19:23] <Connor> doesn't tell which camera.. and, it's a bit old.. 2008.
[22:19:34] <andypugh> I am happy enough with http://www.newbiesite.com I had another site with http://www.zyma.com and they were cheaper and also pretty good.
[22:20:30] <Jymmm> WalterN: US?
[22:20:39] <WalterN> Jymmm: correct
[22:20:44] <Jymmm> WalterN: https://www.bluehost.com/
[22:21:44] <WalterN> oh hey, ruby on rails
[22:22:35] <Jymmm> WalterN: unlimited everything, but you can't abuse the CPU's, so write clean code =)
[22:22:43] <Jymmm> WalterN: And you can get shell access too
[22:23:17] <jdh> there is another webcam mill article in a more recent digital machinist
[22:23:55] <WalterN> yeah, SSH access is kind of important to me :3
[22:27:06] <cradek> on the first shared-hosting system I used, the disk quota was 1MB
[22:28:18] <Jymmm> cradek: CAN YOU FEEL THE POWER !!!
[22:28:35] <cradek> > By the end of 1992 the Cleveland Free-Net had grown to over 36,000 active accounts handling over 11,000 logins a day.
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[22:32:07] <andypugh> Had the Web even been invented then?
[22:32:31] <andypugh> I recall when it was pretty much unthinkable to transfer a 1MB file electronically.
[22:32:42] <WalterN> heh
[22:33:19] <cradek> andypugh: not that I had any access to. usenet and email were the thing.
[22:33:23] <andypugh> And I was late on the scene, the slowest modem I ever owned was 28k8
[22:34:00] <cradek> I spent many many hours behind a 300 baud acoustic
[22:34:37] <andypugh> cradek: Yeah, I thought so. I think it was 1992 when we got an email at work saying "there is this cool new thing called the world wide wedb, you might want to have a look, here are the addresses of the 5 current sites" :-)
[22:35:51] <cradek> in those early days, you could go to the bookstore and buy a book of URLs. there was no meaningful web search (although you could sort of search for files available by ftp)
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[22:36:05] <cradek> I wish I had one of those books still, for the laughs
[22:36:09] <andypugh> Thinking about it, I don't know what the modem was in my Hall of Residence at college. That was acoustic, and you dialed out by dropping a plastic punched-card through a reader.
[22:36:24] <cradek> huh! I have never seen that.
[22:36:33] <cradek> I dialed with the rotary dial of course
[22:36:44] <andypugh> We heard about Chernobyl through that modem.
[22:36:56] <cradek> a touch tone line cost extra...
[22:37:05] <WalterN> I didnt come in to the internet world until the 56k modem days
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[22:38:14] <WalterN> which is kinda funny, where I grew up, they still dont have any internet access available other than satellite
[22:40:31] <andypugh> I recall Gopher being a lot more useful for finding stuff than www
[22:40:33] <Loetmichel> WalterN: hrhr
[22:40:45] <Loetmichel> my first modem was a Discovery 1200+
[22:40:51] <Loetmichel> ... loooong ago ;-)
[22:41:21] <Loetmichel> cradek: a friend had a 300 baud acoustic
[22:41:41] <Loetmichel> .., even with a "post" eagle on it ;-)
[22:44:56] <Jymmm> Loetmichel: cradek had (has?) a 300 baud acoustic
[22:53:04] <tjb1> Inventor crashing never gets old...
[23:01:07] <WalterN> anyone know where I could get a fanuc O/OO/O-Mate PDF?
[23:01:31] <WalterN> PDF of the operator's manual
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[23:08:42] <WalterN> I'm getting ready to make a generic program for a part that has a rather large range of sizes
[23:08:56] <WalterN> with variables and stuff
[23:09:48] <WalterN> I've done fun stuff with C and Java, but never tried it in G and M code... heh
[23:11:21] <andypugh> http://www.practicalmachinist.com/vb/machinery-manuals-brochures/fanuc-o-oo-o-mate-o-mc-oo-mc-maintenance-operator-s-manuals-247009/
[23:12:52] <WalterN> so I need to email thhat guy?
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[23:15:06] <andypugh> Just the first thing that Google found.
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[23:26:30] <Loetmichel> Jymmm: i have read it.
[23:27:38] <Loetmichel> btw: the modulation on 300 b/s was SO easy, i think i could build a working 300baud acoustic out of spare parts laying around here and a bit of software.
[23:28:03] <Loetmichel> even a 1200 baud, if i find some good speakers and mics ;-)
[23:29:25] <andypugh> This is quite a pile of cast iron chips: https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/_G0r_v_xAMLbDRznCRhP-tMTjNZETYmyPJy0liipFm0?feat=directlink
[23:35:12] <Tom_itx> your pile?
[23:37:10] <andypugh> Yes
[23:38:02] <Tom_itx> what is it?
[23:38:07] <Tom_itx> gonna be...
[23:38:09] <andypugh> Making one of these from a solid lump" http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd52/drzipper/Rivett%20Accessories/RivettEccentricToolHolder002.jpg
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[23:38:51] <Tom_itx> gave up on the brazing job?
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[23:39:33] <andypugh> The brazed repair is functional, but hardly pretty. And it does actually get in the way.
[23:40:04] <Tom_itx> i bet it was more an irritation factor :)
[23:40:06] <andypugh> It makes getting the tool up to the chuck difficult.
[23:41:07] <Tom_itx> what did you use to program it?
[23:41:28] <andypugh> MeshCAM this time.
[23:41:48] <Tom_itx> i bet that's gonna take a while to cut
[23:42:09] <andypugh> It takes one evening per side.
[23:43:17] <andypugh> I am surprised that nobody has diagnosed my Y-axis as having a backlash problem yet, it's pretty evident from the machining pattern.
[23:44:03] <Tom_itx> i noticed
[23:44:47] <Tom_itx> are you cutting both directions on the body?
[23:45:24] <andypugh> I have a bigger, preloaded ballscrew. Special order from the manufacturer. When it arrived it has external ball transfer tubes not shown in the drawing. Which I suspect means it won't fit.
[23:45:50] <andypugh> Yeah, the CAM does a zigzag
[23:46:01] <andypugh> It also does a lot of air-cuts.
[23:46:59] <Tom_itx> using roughing cutters for the moment?
[23:47:03] <andypugh> Bit so far, they all do. I have not seen one yet that doesn't rapid to safe-height then feed to current height (when it should know that it can rapid to the previous cut level)
[23:48:14] <Tom_itx> you mean rapid to the next level as it cuts?
[23:48:20] <andypugh> That was done with a ball-end cutter.
[23:48:27] <Tom_itx> knowing the material is now gone..
[23:48:33] <andypugh> Yes.
[23:48:49] <Tom_itx> i would probably have to manually do that on mine
[23:49:09] <Tom_itx> i could connect the layers so it would be one continuous pass
[23:49:17] <Tom_itx> which i do quite a bit
[23:49:29] <Tom_itx> it doesn't go to z clear that way
[23:49:52] <andypugh> Like this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GU3jcyPze0U The previous cut started from the same point, it really doesn't have to go back to the start at the feed rate
[23:49:53] <Tecan> (GU3jcyPze0U) "Silly Air Cuts" by "andy pugh" is "Tech" - Length: 0:02:57
[23:49:56] <Tom_itx> but i would probably cut all one direction so in which case it would
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[23:50:22] <Tom_itx> i know what you mean
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[23:52:17] <Tom_itx> i don't know if newer cad cam do that or not but mine doesn't. i'd have to manually edit the layers then post it
[23:52:33] <Tom_itx> might be worth it on that
[23:53:03] <Tom_itx> it doesn't automatically do it
[23:55:22] <Tom_itx> i may have used a roughing cutter before the ball mill until i got a bit closer to the finished cut
[23:55:31] <Tom_itx> i'm not sure how much you had to remove there though
[23:55:52] <andypugh> I roughed with a 20mm then semi-finished with a ball-nose.
[23:56:27] <andypugh> It started as a 4" x 2" cylinder of continuously-cast iron
[23:56:38] <Tom_itx> we had some large open areas it proved quicker to drill down to near depth then clean it out instead of using a mill cutter
[23:57:03] <Tom_itx> with less warpage on aluminum
[23:57:34] <andypugh> If I was doing more than one I would make the same part at 102% out of model board and send it to the foundry.
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[23:58:50] <andypugh> Working in cast-iron with HSS tooling you can only really work at 800rpm, and then that means feeds about 80m/min and long cycle times.
[23:59:14] <Tom_itx> much like Ti
[23:59:19] <andypugh> I could probably have knocked that out of Aluminium in an hour.
[23:59:43] <andypugh> Or 20 mins from HPPU.
[23:59:51] <andypugh> (HDPU I mean)