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[00:09:17] <andypugh> The IGES for the rotary:
http://www.bodgesoc.org/cycloidal.igs
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[00:11:57] <MacGalempsy> andypugh: finally got the cards all pined up, now just trying to figure out programming the mesa card
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[00:12:23] <andypugh> How much programming does it need?
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[00:13:15] <MacGalempsy> well pinning out has thrown me for a loop
[00:14:39] <MacGalempsy> PNC Config is not so straight forward, so i just printed out the walkthrough and about to read it
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[00:17:29] <andypugh> The only tricky bit is working out which firmware option suits you. Unless you are using a 5i25, in which case it should have the firmare you asked for already there.
[00:17:52] <Tom_itx> thanks andypugh
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[00:22:30] <MacGalempsy> andypugh: I can see all the pins for the 7i77 and 7i84, but there is no firmware for the combo. so jthornton mentioned to do an initial setup with the 5i25 and the 7i77x1, then come back and edit the HAL file for the 7i84
[00:23:16] <andypugh> <confused>
[00:23:45] <MacGalempsy> yeah, totally me too
[00:23:58] <andypugh> Ah, 7i84 is smart-srial?
[00:24:02] <MacGalempsy> yes
[00:24:18] <andypugh> So, the 7i77 firmware is the correct one.
[00:24:43] <andypugh> do you mean that there isn't an XML file for the combo?
[00:24:50] <MacGalempsy> yes
[00:25:59] <andypugh> Yeah, so ignore the 7i84 initially, create a 7i77-only config, then do a pin-list to see what pins the 7i84 has, and add those to the HAL file manually.
[00:27:17] <MacGalempsy> ok. getting checked in with work, then will migrate out to the garage. will likely have more questions in about an hour
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[00:45:44] <andypugh> The Mac version of FreeCAD doesn't do anything at all. It launches, but opens no windows and does nothing.
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[00:50:47] <PetefromTn> LOL that sucks....
[00:51:33] <andypugh> Soeone on their forum has an alternative build, I am trying that
[00:53:47] <PetefromTn> Lots of folks compile their own from the sourceforge website but I don't even know what that means LOL.
[00:58:55] <andypugh> And it works!
[00:59:33] <andypugh> It's an ugly programme, though, and the mouse zoom is about 100x too sensitive. One wrong touch and the model shrinks to 1 pixel.
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[01:00:10] <andypugh> Time for me to be asleep.
[01:00:13] <PetefromTn> Really? I did not see that..
[01:00:33] <PetefromTn> Maybe you can adjust the settings and there are several different mouse settings in there too
[01:00:45] <andypugh> This is the Mac version, with the touch-sensitive swipey mouse.
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[01:01:53] <PetefromTn> aah...don't do macs.
[01:03:04] <andypugh> Where are the mouse settings?
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[01:04:23] <andypugh> Ah, found it I think.
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[01:05:07] <PetefromTn> There are some different arrangements for using it with the thumbwheel, left and right mouse buttons etc.
[01:05:18] <andypugh> It turns out it was only 20x too fast, I exagerated :-)
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[01:09:01] <PetefromTn> cool. See what you think. You are good with this stuff maybe you can figure out how to make it work better. I am no programmer and I wish the program would work without crashing it actually is pretty easy to use.
[01:10:08] <PetefromTn> Gotta go to the store be back in a bit. Nite Andy. Peace
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[01:10:12] <andypugh> To be honest, as I have a free Autodesk Inventor license, and I know how to use that (I was a CAD jockey for a couple of years, using inventor) I can't really see myself spending all that much time with FreeCAD
[01:10:37] <PetefromTn> Well that sucks.... I understand tho.
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[07:05:00] <Loetmichel> mornin'
[07:15:51] <Jymmm> Hi Loetmichel
[07:16:16] <Jymmm> Has anyone done any mold cloning or sorts?
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[07:43:13] <_DJ_> moin
[07:44:34] <cpresser> Jymmm: i tried. for tabletop minatures
[07:44:50] <cpresser> but i failed. i could reproduce enough details
[07:45:17] <Jymmm> cpresser: Bummer, that's EXACTLY what I need in this cae
[07:45:18] <Jymmm> case
[07:46:44] <cpresser> Jymmm: this was another try:
http://imagebin.org/276023
[07:46:45] <archivist> you are doing it wrong then, we had an external foundry do copies for us and the detail was good
[07:47:20] <Loetmichel> Jymmm: i made some tin molds out of 2k high temperature silicvcone
[07:47:27] <cpresser> my approach was more DIY, without any investment in materials. i guess using the correct silicone mold it might work well
[07:47:30] <Loetmichel> ... for battlemechs...
[07:47:51] <cpresser> lol. tabletop-nerds^^
[07:48:02] <Loetmichel> worked ok, was a bit tricky to get the miniatures out of the silicone molds ;-)
[07:48:57] <archivist> http://www.clock-works.clara.net/cata/spa5.htm pictures do not do them justice
[07:49:28] <archivist> cast in brass
[07:52:30] <Jymmm> My trackball sits atop rubies. But the cheap plastic that holds the rubies deforms over time. I need to find a way to hold the rubies
[07:52:56] <Jymmm> Kingston Expert Mouse
[07:53:33] <Jymmm> Nothing else is actually wrong with the trackballs, just these damn thin/cheap mounts
[07:55:08] <Loetmichel> cpresser: not enough pressure... (your photo) make a longer "pour in tube" or use a "schleuderguss" ( two or more molds on a spinning disk, with the pouring tubes in the middle)
[07:55:17] <archivist> make bits by hand glue on, no casting needed
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[07:58:56] <cpresser> Loetmichel: the main problem was the mold. it was flat, not standing upright
[07:59:19] <cpresser> Loetmichel: i made it on OHM2013-hacker-camp. we had limited tools and supplies
[07:59:28] <cpresser> still, i learned a lot :)
[07:59:46] <Jymmm> It looks like one of the rubies has a "chip" out f it
[08:00:56] <Jymmm> I'm not sure what I could replace it with
[08:01:48] <cpresser> Jymmm: most likely you dont want another trackball. but i would recommend a 'logitech marble man' trackball. mine now works for more than 14years. in only replaced the left-mouse-button-switch
[08:01:57] <Jymmm> it's like a 1.5-2mm diameter ruby
[08:02:45] <Jymmm> cpresser: Heh, we've replaced 4 of those
[08:03:40] <Jymmm> cpresser: nowhere close the the smoothness and no scrollwheel/ring
[08:04:07] <cpresser> scrollwheel? nobody needs that :P
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[08:04:27] <Jymmm> If I could do something like a ballpoint pen, that would work I eblieve
[08:04:56] <Jymmm> cpresser: I need more programmable buttons is what I need
[08:10:31] <MacGalempsy_> archivist: what do you get for those tiaras?
[08:10:45] <MacGalempsy_> i guess clock pieces
[08:11:03] <archivist> they fit on clock dials
[08:11:13] <MacGalempsy_> those are cnced?
[08:11:29] <archivist> no cast, copied from originals
[08:11:46] <MacGalempsy_> very cool.
[08:11:57] <MacGalempsy_> << getting back to reading
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[08:13:18] <archivist> like here
http://www.collection.archivist.info/archive/DJCPD/PD/2003/2003_07_30_Dial_Norfolk/P1010008.JPG
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[08:14:43] <archivist> before image
http://www.collection.archivist.info/archive/DJCPD/PD/2003/2003_07_28_Dial_Norfolk/P1010015.JPG
[08:15:24] <MacGalempsy_> that looks awesome. hobby or profession?
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[08:16:04] <archivist> that was work
[08:16:59] <archivist> my part on the dial was hole filling and engraving (hand)
[08:17:48] <MacGalempsy_> you do that kind of stuff everyday and tinker with cnc at home?
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[08:18:12] <archivist> that was the day job that ended 2009
[08:18:40] <archivist> made the cnc at work to cut gears, but it was mine so came home
[08:19:50] <MacGalempsy_> so what do you do now for 9-5?
[08:20:22] <archivist> odd jobs, next to nothing
[08:23:26] <MacGalempsy_> sounds relaxing
[08:24:16] <archivist> stressed hungry and cold
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[08:32:15] <MacGalempsy_> oh
[08:32:29] <MacGalempsy_> time to get the cnc fired up and start production :P
[08:32:48] <archivist> first one needs orders
[08:33:01] <MacGalempsy_> just go on ebay, find the most expensive, smallest machined part you can find, then duplicate it
[08:33:18] <MacGalempsy_> I say vintage aluminum chocolate molds can go for high dollar
[08:33:23] <archivist> you get orders advertise, to advertise get money...ops loop detected
[08:34:08] <MacGalempsy_> http://pe.usps.com/text/dmm300/173.htm#1113509
[08:34:26] <MacGalempsy_> all it would take is a few decent replicas and you could be making $$$
[08:35:08] <MacGalempsy_> 19.5" rabbit went for over 2k
[08:35:48] <MacGalempsy_> 16" rabbit pisisng in a basket, 950!
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Antique-Chocolate-Mold-Rabbit-Apron-Working-in-Basket-GIANT-BANQUET-16-HIGH-/130996075686?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item1e7ff97ca6
[08:36:39] <archivist> if not antique its not worth the money
[08:36:57] <MacGalempsy_> how do you know? just antique it :)
[08:37:07] <archivist> my cnc cannot make large items anyway
[08:37:34] <Jymmm> aluminum is like 50 bazillion years old, that's an antique, aint it?
[08:37:53] <MacGalempsy_> agreed!
[08:38:02] <archivist> any fraud gets you a holiday in prison, not worth it
[08:38:10] <MacGalempsy_> i mean, just make it in aluminum or tin, then throw it in saltwater for a few hourse
[08:38:51] <MacGalempsy_> here is another thing I was thinking would be good
http://www.ebay.com/itm/HERTEL-Indexable-End-Mill-1-x-1-1-4-Shank-9-Inserts-3FL-ANGT1623-BN65-/270893193684?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3f127e19d4
[08:39:10] <MacGalempsy_> small 4th axis endmills with a 1/2" shaft
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[09:54:35] <firstmill> hi hope you can help me first mill with linuxcnc it works fine BUT no speed on parport
[09:55:10] <firstmill> setp parport.0.reset-time 2000 VS addf parport.0.reset base-thread
[09:55:36] <firstmill> is this correct to be in one hal
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[09:56:13] <firstmill> basetread is set by stepconf to 100000 i did enter 15000 in the config
[09:56:30] <firstmill> stepconf = config
[09:59:21] <cpresser> firstmill: you can test each axis in stepconf
[10:00:18] <cpresser> firstmill: make sure you got you steppers to work with stepconf. then you can start to edit config-files directly
[10:06:22] <firstmill> it works in the testpanell but as i start the machine it fails on gcode stepper are stalling
[10:07:46] <firstmill> in the integreater manual it gives me other numgers or itesms to config then the stepconf made and as the sherline basic configuration has in it
[10:08:24] <firstmill> integrater Manual page 41 addf parport.0.read base-thread 1
[10:11:16] <archivist_herron> test your acceleration make sure its not too fast
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[10:14:43] <firstmill> ok the parport is able to go for 8kHz i think
[10:14:49] <firstmill> bye im testing
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[12:30:53] <MacGalempsy_> morning all
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[12:41:08] <jthornton> morning, you make any headway?
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[12:47:45] <MacGalempsy_> just a lot of reading and a better understanding of the hal code
[12:48:17] <MacGalempsy_> starting to see why you would just rather tweak the code after an initial setup
[12:48:47] <MacGalempsy_> also, I think the first tab that was a mystery are pins available to the 5i25
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[12:50:05] <jthornton> did my web page help any?
[12:50:54] <MacGalempsy_> the example 5i25 and 7i77 files looked good
[12:51:36] <MacGalempsy_> honestly, I just went back to the book and started going through cover to cover. went through the advanced hal manual first, now going through the integrators manual more thouroughly
[12:52:17] <MacGalempsy_> still need a few relays to show up, so maybe by the time those arrive, i will be ready to connect the rest and give a go at programming all the pins in one shot
[12:52:26] <jthornton> the basic hal section is a good place to start for hal
[12:52:52] <jthornton> ah no, it is better to program one pin at a time and test for typos
[12:53:22] <MacGalempsy_> so its not better to list all the pins then use halmeter to check the connections?
[12:54:03] <jthornton> well it is easier to find typos if you just add one pin at a time until you get good at it
[12:54:14] <MacGalempsy_> ah, agreed
[12:55:12] <jthornton> if you use show hal configuration from the Axis menu you can see all the pins and there is a watch window where you can watch multiple pins
[12:55:32] <MacGalempsy_> ok. do you have a recommendation on a handheld mpg for touchy?
[12:56:37] <jthornton> I use a standard MPG and use Mode 3 on the 5i25 to get the MPG inputs
[12:57:00] <MacGalempsy_> mode 3?
[12:57:09] <MacGalempsy_> is that the pins on the card?
[12:58:02] <MacGalempsy_> what do you think about the usb ones?
[12:58:14] <jthornton> no, it is an option on the config line
[12:59:33] <jthornton> I prefer a regular MPG connected directly to the 7i77, I use a USB joypad on my plasma but it does not require precise positioning
[13:00:09] <MacGalempsy_> when you say regular, do you mean a dial with two selectors?
[13:00:59] <jthornton> loadrt hm2_pci config="num_encoders=6 num_stepgens=1 sserial_port_0=300xxx"
[13:01:26] <jthornton> yes, the dial is the MPG and selector switches for distance per click and axis selection
[13:01:42] <jthornton> the 3 in the config puts the card in mode 3
[13:02:09] <MacGalempsy_> ah that is where ports 16-19 are used for mpg
[13:02:20] <jthornton> so if you take the sample 7i77 hal file and change to a 3 you get mode 3
[13:02:36] <MacGalempsy_> ok
[13:02:56] <MacGalempsy_> may have to do that on the 7i84 instead because the 7i77 is full
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[13:04:35] <jthornton> search for SOFTWARE PROCESS DATA MODES in the Mesa manuals
[13:07:44] <MacGalempsy_> ok. as for now, im going to read for another hour then hit the sack. I think everything except the stand will be here by the weekend, so hopefully it will all come together sooner than later. Thanks again for the help.
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[14:59:15] <PetefromTn> Mornin' folks...
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[16:21:55] <_DJ_> renamd
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[17:19:30] <jmasseo> anybody ever convert a tree cnc mill to linuxcnc?
[17:19:45] <archivist> tree?
[17:19:50] <jmasseo> it's a brand
[17:19:59] <jmasseo> looks kind of like a bridgeport but it's not a retrofit
[17:20:00] <jmasseo> 2hp
[17:20:08] <archivist> never heard of them
[17:20:19] <cradek> the brand is not important. lots of people convert mills that are like 2hp bridgeports.
[17:20:37] <jmasseo> this one is already CNC, but it's got a dynapath conversational controller
[17:21:02] <skunkworks> it is more of a question - what hardware is in it and what can be reused
[17:21:06] <pcw_home> I think a t least a couple have been converted to LInuxCNC (older ones use resolvers for axis feedback)
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[17:21:34] <jmasseo> the owner said it will intermittantly skip 0.010 on the X
[17:21:40] <jmasseo> and he believed it to be a controller issue.
[17:21:46] <jmasseo> otherwise it's in a ship shape
[17:21:53] <jmasseo> apart from being 27 years old
[17:22:04] <pcw_home> might be a dirty encoder
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[17:23:45] <archivist> whatever it is, sounds like a suitable starting point to make a usable mill
[17:24:46] <jmasseo> 3k USD and 2.5 tons
[17:24:53] <jmasseo> not counting rigging
[17:25:02] <IchGuckLive> hi all B)
[17:25:29] <archivist> something like
http://www.szpakmfg.com/tree.html ?
[17:25:30] <_DJ_> hi mister live
[17:26:34] <IchGuckLive> _DJ_: a BAGGER has cut the internet so im only on 10kb/s hope the airtunnel can stand at that weather outside
[17:27:03] <_DJ_> oh
[17:27:09] <IchGuckLive> O.O
[17:27:09] <_DJ_> 10 kb/s is evil...
[17:27:23] <jmasseo> i think this one is slightly older
[17:27:29] <jmasseo> than the one you linked
[17:28:05] <_DJ_> get LTE or so ;-)
[17:29:34] <IchGuckLive> _DJ_: we got a town internet service as we are far away friom the next access to a bag bone THE wear thing is that the internatianal 1Tb Back bone is running at the pipline here about 200meters from town
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[17:31:45] <archivist> jmasseo, I am used to the vendor saying its nearly new and no wear....and finding it is well worn later, offer a lower price :)
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[17:32:22] <archivist> haggle/barter a bit
[17:32:27] <jmasseo> right
[17:33:50] <jdh> there are several chaeper than that on ebay
[17:33:52] <archivist> ex boss told me the mill I have here was hardly used, I pointed out the backlash on the X
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[17:34:30] <archivist> but the price was right, free delivered
[17:35:10] <jdh> all inexpensive mills seem to be located far away in godforsaken areas.
[17:35:54] <archivist> trailers are useful
[17:36:22] <jdh> I'm not driving to Kansas for anything.
[17:37:13] <archivist> my lathe was about 300 miles away, was a fun drive
[17:37:21] <jdh> I will admit my knowledge of kansas comes mostly from the wizard of oz.
[17:37:41] <cradek> kansas is adjacent to some really nice places
[17:37:42] <jdh> 300 miles would be fine. Less than 1k would be ok.
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[17:38:36] <archivist> I did ohio to baltimore to chicago to fetch a signal generator when over there
[17:39:03] <CaptHindsight> where should the deal on the mill be?
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[17:44:39] <CaptHindsight> http://www.ebay.com/itm/FNC40-LEBLOND-MAKINO-CNC-VERTICAL-MACHINING-CENTER-/321238867393?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item4acb541dc1 if this stays under $5k it won't be bad
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[17:45:34] <jmasseo> that's a much bigger machine
[17:45:44] <CaptHindsight> where are you near?
[17:45:58] <jmasseo> DFW, TX
[17:46:04] <jmasseo> i live west of fort worth
[17:47:55] <CaptHindsight> http://www.ebay.com/itm/OKUMA-MC-60H-CNC-HORIZONTAL-MACHINING-CENTER-/321243319446?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item4acb980c96
[17:49:22] <CaptHindsight> http://www.ebay.com/itm/CNC-VERTICAL-MILLING-MACHINE-Matsuura-MC-1000V-with-Fanuc-3000-C-1985-/151159642455?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2331d11957
[17:52:21] <CaptHindsight> http://www.ebay.com/itm/PROLIGHT-CNC-MILLING-MACHINE-Machining-center-Works-with-Mach3-/181228098021?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2a320951e5 kind of small though
[17:53:06] <CaptHindsight> not much on ebay right now, I'd check in jan when everyone starts cleaning out their shops
[17:53:12] <IchGuckLive> fanuc 3000 is a war control
[17:53:34] <IchGuckLive> lots of bad things insite to break
[17:53:51] <jmasseo> i know a guy with a mc-50h
[17:53:53] <jmasseo> it's enormous
[17:53:57] <jmasseo> $4500 it must be busted
[17:54:04] <IchGuckLive> as they went over on this from Siemens to omron
[17:54:26] <CaptHindsight> jmasseo: it's usually just controls
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[17:55:21] <jmasseo> that prolight looks like one of those emco pc50's
[17:55:23] <jmasseo> enco? emco?
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[17:56:14] <jmasseo> better off with something like
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Smithy-622-Sieg-KX3-Mini-CNC-Machining-Center-Milling-Machine/350918591884?_trksid=p2047675.m2109&_trkparms=aid%3D555012%26algo%3DPW.MBE%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D18241%26meid%3D2538541148779293009%26pid%3D100010%26prg%3D8344%26rk%3D2%26rkt%3D15%26sd%3D321238867393%26
[17:56:19] <jmasseo> god that's a horrifying url
[17:56:20] <jmasseo> sorry
[17:56:31] <jmasseo> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Smithy-622-Sieg-KX3-Mini-CNC-Machining-Center-Milling-Machine/350918591884
[17:56:34] <jmasseo> there ew go
[17:56:47] <CaptHindsight> some ebay links are endless
[17:57:10] <jdh> jmasseo: this link is even better:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/350918591884
[17:57:42] <jmasseo> right
[17:58:37] <CaptHindsight> http://wichita.craigslist.org/tls/4092146160.html
[17:58:58] <Jymmm> jdh: better yet
http://search.ebay.com/350918591884
[17:59:21] <jmasseo> kind of expensive for a mach3 conversion no?
[17:59:44] <archivist> we dont do mach3 in here
[17:59:59] <archivist> we have better stuph
[18:00:07] <CaptHindsight> http://oklahomacity.craigslist.org/tls/4117964801.html
[18:00:16] <Jymmm> archivist: skunkworks does, he's always in their forums
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[18:00:37] <archivist> he is our spy
[18:00:45] <Jymmm> lol
[18:00:57] <archivist> linuxnsa
[18:01:30] <CaptHindsight> I still have mach3 on the matsuura, it's practically useless the way it's currently setup
[18:01:38] <Jymmm> I like the cabinet... just shove any PC in there...
http://images.craigslist.org/00E0E_OVfhl61HxE_600x450.jpg
[18:02:07] <IchGuckLive> nsa is the best in europ
[18:02:17] <IchGuckLive> as they control the hole goverments
[18:02:47] <jmasseo> that's a big mazak
[18:02:54] <jmasseo> i wonder how much rigging would cost heh
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[18:03:13] <skunkworks> know thy enemy...
[18:03:21] <Jymmm> That's an itty bitty estop button! lol
[18:03:26] <CaptHindsight> jmasseo: do you have a trailer?
[18:03:45] <jmasseo> no
[18:03:48] <jmasseo> i usually borrow my friends
[18:03:52] <jmasseo> but i don't know how much weight it's good for
[18:04:01] <archivist> that means yes then :)
[18:04:05] <jmasseo> right
[18:04:07] <jmasseo> i have a pickup
[18:04:11] <jmasseo> but it's like an 01 sierra 1500
[18:04:14] <jmasseo> i think i can tow like 8k?
[18:04:27] <archivist> you can take it to bits and bring back in smaller parts
[18:04:28] <CaptHindsight> it going to be close
[18:04:30] <jmasseo> haul 1500, tow 8000.
[18:04:33] <jmasseo> i think
[18:04:34] <IchGuckLive> is there a tow limit in the USA
[18:04:38] <jmasseo> it's the vehicle's rating
[18:04:46] <IchGuckLive> or only 50tons on highay
[18:04:47] <jmasseo> i don't really care about limits or laws anyway ;)
[18:04:56] <CaptHindsight> IchGuckLive: it based on the vehicle and the trailer
[18:05:03] <IchGuckLive> in taxas the gun is the law
[18:05:10] <IchGuckLive> TX
[18:05:13] <jmasseo> heh
[18:05:16] <jmasseo> and the cops have guns
[18:05:16] <jmasseo> soooo
[18:05:44] <IchGuckLive> oh i thougt they where only payed to look to the other side
[18:06:18] <CaptHindsight> rent a forklift $400
[18:06:36] <IchGuckLive> you can buy one at that price
[18:07:00] <jmasseo> yeah, 8100 max tow and 1800 max payload.
[18:07:18] <CaptHindsight> thats big enough
[18:07:42] <IchGuckLive> seen! JesusAlos
[18:07:44] <CaptHindsight> maybe someone has a front loader there
[18:08:14] <CaptHindsight> ask the seller if he has a way to lead, it's odd that it's not mentioned in the ad
[18:08:14] <jmasseo> unloading it at home might be difficult as well
[18:08:32] <jmasseo> although the tree mill was for the local makerspace
[18:08:34] <jmasseo> they had a lead on it
[18:08:39] <jmasseo> i'dl ike to get my own someday
[18:08:51] <jmasseo> coming to terms with limitations of the home based shop though. :/
[18:09:31] <CaptHindsight> nobel OK is only ~200 miles from you
[18:09:35] <jmasseo> yeah
[18:09:53] <CaptHindsight> you can use a flatbed tow truck, winch it up, slide it down
[18:10:11] <CaptHindsight> tiltbed type
[18:10:28] <jmasseo> i don't own a tow truck :)
[18:10:32] <jmasseo> or have a friend with a tow truck
[18:10:40] <jmasseo> i'm not so sure about that mazak anyway
[18:10:43] <jmasseo> it looks pretty damned rough
[18:10:45] <IchGuckLive> excavator is the goal
[18:10:57] <jmasseo> well, the bed and the verical ways
[18:11:03] <jmasseo> look rough
[18:11:35] <IchGuckLive> its not new B)
[18:11:52] <jmasseo> yeah
[18:11:58] <jthornton> unloading by hand
http://www.gnipsel.com/shop/unload-308/unload-308.xhtml
[18:12:04] <IchGuckLive> and may be hard in work at the past work shop
[18:12:26] <IchGuckLive> jt is the master of disaster loading
[18:12:29] <CaptHindsight> $1500 is a little bit mire than the scrap price
[18:12:48] <IchGuckLive> thats good
[18:12:55] <IchGuckLive> so you make profit anyway
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[18:14:41] <jmasseo> wow
[18:14:43] <jmasseo> impressive
[18:14:46] <jthornton> JT has never had a disaster loading or unloading
[18:17:23] <IchGuckLive> as you are the master to do the job
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[18:18:01] <jthornton> lol
[18:18:23] <jmasseo> it may make more sense for me to get a much smaller high speed 4th axis mill
[18:18:25] <jmasseo> like a taig or something
[18:18:35] <jmasseo> since most of what i actually make is jewelry. :)
[18:19:37] <CaptHindsight> http://imagebin.org/276103 this moved pretty easily as well, helps if your shop floors are sealed
[18:19:45] <IchGuckLive> I DID it upload 25Mb today 5hr to youtube Corn Harvest 2013
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V5E0oHK9shM
[18:19:56] <jmasseo> my shop is bare concrete.
[18:20:02] <jmasseo> 18x30
[18:20:08] <IchGuckLive> meter
[18:20:23] <CaptHindsight> then use skates
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[18:21:10] <CaptHindsight> I can use soapy water and a walk behind forklift to move any machine on that floor
[18:21:18] <archivist> scaffold pole rollers
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[18:21:39] <_DJ_> IchGuckLive, biste bauer?
[18:21:40] <IchGuckLive> CaptHindsight: the egypt build big pyramides on this system
[18:22:00] <IchGuckLive> _DJ_: 8hekta kann man nicht bauer nennen
[18:22:12] * _DJ_ hat mehr :D
[18:22:17] <_DJ_> aber nix biogas
[18:22:34] <CaptHindsight> I tried sand and oiled logs but the sealed concrete floor works out better :)
[18:23:22] <CaptHindsight> the cats aren't as happy though
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[18:31:10] <jmasseo> this one just needs a controller
[18:31:11] <jmasseo> http://dallas.craigslist.org/ftw/tls/4167638971.html
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[18:38:29] <pcw_home> Servos missing?
[18:39:15] <skunkworks_> looks that way
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[20:08:47] <sirdancealot3> is there a setting to make the gui estop button work even with a physical estop set up? it stopped working.
[20:12:00] <PetefromTn> The Tree mills are actually quite nice. THere is one locally that is for sale but I already have the VMC here and I am not ready for another machine right now.
[20:16:51] <PetefromTn> Are you moving it far?
[20:17:31] <JT_Shop> sirdancealo2, yes
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[20:23:05] <sirdancealot3> it works, im an idiot
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[20:33:43] <JT_Shop> are you using estop_latch to keep them in sync?
[20:36:24] <Jymmm> can you get needle bearings in any size?
[20:37:00] <sirdancealot3> i dunno what that is, some module? when the machine is turned on, pressing f1 turns it off...thats all, no indication that it was an estop
[20:37:02] <sirdancealot3> but it works
[20:37:32] <Jymmm> I'm looking for around 3" OD, and 2.75" ID
[20:37:59] <sirdancealot3> the gui does indicate the hw push
[20:38:40] <sirdancealot3> its fine with me
[20:39:44] <Jymmm> Sorry, thrust bearings
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[20:43:49] <CaptHindsight> Jymmm: check Amazon, I was surprised by how many bearings are available there
[20:44:03] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: thanks
[20:45:32] <CaptHindsight> Jymmm: suppliers list bearings on Amamzon lower than their own list prices, but only make 1-2 available at that discounted price
[20:45:50] <Jymmm> ah, well thats all I need =)
[20:46:52] <CaptHindsight> same for tools now, I picked up a $350 diamond coring bit for $50 on amazon and it shipped direct from the manufacturer
[20:46:58] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: My replacement trackball has a SUCK scrollring (plastic balls it rides on) and feels liek pebbles inside
[20:47:29] <Jymmm> and jams quite a bit
[20:47:30] <CaptHindsight> it was the same part and was not a second or blem
[20:47:37] <Jymmm> nice
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[21:58:53] <andypugh> Got bored of watching the mill and turned the lights out :-)
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[22:02:25] <Tom_itx> running a long job?
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[22:03:34] <andypugh> Looks like it :-)
[22:03:53] <andypugh> Partly because the CAM cuts a lot of air (grump)
[22:04:22] <Tom_itx> i seldom use canned cuts when i do a model
[22:05:00] <Tom_itx> do all the cut offsets manually and stack em
[22:05:17] <Tom_itx> takes a bit longer but it's quicker on the machine
[22:06:56] <andypugh> What bugs me are the rapids to safe heigh follwed by a feed to the next waterline level. Why not rapid to the previous waterline level then feed?
[22:09:14] <andypugh> Like this (warning, very tedious)
[22:09:15] <andypugh> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GU3jcyPze0U
[22:16:12] <KimK> There might be a preference setting or post setting in the CAM program, Andy. Maybe worth a look?
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[22:17:57] <KimK> Unless a friend generated the CAM for you as a favor, and you can't really complain?
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[22:20:12] <andypugh> No, I am using the trial version of Meshworks (pretty good, actually, but I am not sure it is worth $250 to me)
[22:20:31] <andypugh> The partner cut simulator is fairly groovy too.
[22:21:35] <andypugh> I am happy enough with PyCAM in many ways, but it is just so exceptionally slow, ie overnight runs for paths that MeshCAM does in seconds.
[22:24:05] <_DJ_> gn8
[22:24:44] <Connor> I like CamBam.
[22:24:52] <KimK> Oh, really? I hadn't heard that about PyCAM. I've never used PyCAM except to turn it on, fiddle with it a little and then turn it off again. OK. Back in a bit.
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[22:38:10] <jmasseo> pycam?
[22:38:50] <jmasseo> latest release 2011. =(
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[23:03:48] <maZer`-> does someone know a good gearbox or way for a 4th axis ?
[23:07:25] <Tom_itx> yeah mine has the safe clear height setting but i usually just leave it the same for all the tools
[23:08:06] <Tom_itx> unless it's a flat plate or such with a bunch of holes etc where i want it as short as i can safely get
[23:09:13] <maZer`-> ok
[23:10:02] <Tom_itx> maZer`- for what size mill?
[23:10:18] <maZer`-> also is a little bit bigger, is 400x400x400 way
[23:10:32] <Tom_itx> harmonic drives make good rotaries
[23:10:33] <maZer`-> but diameter of 4th axis should have something about 300mm
[23:10:44] <maZer`-> Tom_itx yes but its unpayable :(
[23:11:16] <Tom_itx> worm screws have backlash but there are plenty of them out there
[23:12:06] <maZer`-> hm
[23:12:15] <maZer`-> backlash is the play?
[23:12:34] <maZer`-> ahh okok now understand!: D
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[23:22:13] <andypugh> maZer`-: Make one of these?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VrvwlPxRhKU
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[23:29:28] <maZer`-> andypugh ohhhaa :D
[23:29:35] <maZer`-> that looks very difficult :D
[23:29:58] <andypugh> I don't think there are any hard-to-make parts there.
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[23:33:02] <maZer`-> hm :)
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[23:33:31] <andypugh> iges files at www.bodgesoc.org/cycloidal.igs if you want a look.
[23:33:48] <FreezingCold> So this EMCO mill crashes when I load a pycam drawing (gcode, 11kb), but works fine with my manual drawings (gcode, 1kb)
[23:33:54] <FreezingCold> suggestions on whats wrong
[23:33:55] <FreezingCold> ?
[23:34:07] <FreezingCold> sorry for the horrible typing, only one hand
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[23:34:43] <andypugh> (Probably worth pointing out that the Emco isn't running LinuxCNC)
[23:34:54] <andypugh> Well, probably not. :-)
[23:35:37] <FreezingCold> True
[23:35:41] <FreezingCold> it's a retarded program
[23:35:48] <FreezingCold> but sadly that's what my college gives me =/
[23:36:29] <cradek> could be anything that's wrong with the gcode that tickles a bug or feature in the control. does it give you any clues? an error message? have you bisected the code to find the part that causes the error?
[23:36:39] <andypugh> If you need a workaround, you may be able to split the program.
[23:37:21] <andypugh> Though 11k is still pretty small, so I would be surprised if it was a size problem.
[23:39:06] <cradek> that is 90 feet of paper tape, which is a very long program for an old control. I think my boss8 bridgeport had 100 feet of ram.
[23:39:40] <andypugh> If you can measure it in feet, isn't it SAM?
[23:40:12] <cradek> well it actually had ram, and they specified it in feet, I shit you not
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[23:45:13] <somenewguy> I always figured IRC was a time machine
[23:45:59] <cradek> I happen to know that linuxcnc is running that mill now (I don't have it anymore)
[23:47:07] <cradek> I guess it had 12kB of RAM == 100 ft.
[23:54:04] * WalterN rolls eyes
[23:54:19] <WalterN> where I used to work we had an emco CNC lathe with a C-axes
[23:54:29] <WalterN> its a fun machine
[23:57:28] <andypugh> I have a weldon-type tool holder. 16mm. Looks quite useful except the grub-screw is missing.
[23:57:55] <andypugh> That wouldn't normally be a problem. except it appears to be M14.
[23:58:51] <andypugh> I can't find M14 grub screws in any of the usual places. The only option seems to be to import 25 from Hong Kong.
[23:59:27] <andypugh> (Wierdly, they exist in the US too. Perhaps as a non-metric country the US is unaware that M14 doesn't exist :-)
[23:59:41] <roycroft> excuse me
[23:59:50] <roycroft> but the us officially adopted the metric system in the 1870
[23:59:51] <roycroft> s
[23:59:57] <roycroft> and then again in the 1970s
