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[00:38:52] <PetefromTn> Happy Halloween Everyone!!
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[01:33:29] <MacGalempsy> mesa 5i25 - pullups, enable or disable?
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[01:47:08] <pcw_home> Dont change
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[01:51:34] <MacGalempsy> what about stuff on the servo amps that have HI, LO
[01:52:00] <MacGalempsy> and three wire endstops?
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[01:53:23] <MacGalempsy> nevermind, I think I see it
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[01:53:48] <pcw_home> I would probably just jumper so the drive is happy
[01:54:17] <pcw_home> you really only need drive enable
[01:54:56] <MacGalempsy> fault enable and reset, I think I want those to have check lights in linuxcnc,
[01:55:17] <MacGalempsy> ill try default, and see if I can get it to work
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[07:45:36] <MacGalempsy_> the firmware I have for the 5i25 does not have a selection for a 7-77 + 7i84 any pointers on getting the xml file?
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[07:46:36] <_DJ_> moin
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[07:52:25] <MacGalempsy_> hi dj
[07:57:08] <mrsun> on a wood router constant velocity could be useful right? :)
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[08:11:57] <_DJ_> good morning MacGalempsy_
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[10:22:39] <MacGalempsy_> its been a long night. got all the boards powered up, and connected a lot of stuff, but cannot find an xml file for the 7i77+7i84 combo. Any tips to getting the two to show up in pncconf?
[10:30:26] <archivist_herron> that would be ask PCW when he is awake
[10:30:56] <jthornton> have to ask Chris Morley about pncconf, he hangs out on the forum
[10:31:13] <jthornton> what is a 7i84?
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[10:50:02] <MacGalempsy_> the 7i84 is basically the i/o of the 7i77 with dual voltage ability
[10:52:26] <jthornton> probably faster to get a list of the pins and use a sample 7i77 configuration
[10:52:45] <jthornton> and add the 7i84 pins to the sample configuration
[10:53:12] <jthornton> http://www.gnipsel.com/linuxcnc/configs/index.html
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[11:07:53] <skunkworks> logger[mah],
[11:07:53] <logger[mah]> skunkworks: Log stored at
http://linuxcnc.mah.priv.at/irc/%23linuxcnc/2013-11-01.html
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[11:11:22] <MacGalempsy_> thank you for the link jthornton. will study it tonight. this afternoon we go to get the steel for the stand. hopefully it will be welded up and ready for the powder coater on monday or tuesday
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[11:27:13] <Jymmm> DX now has a whole section on 3D Printer parts and components
http://dx.com/s/3d+printer
[11:29:47] <skunkworks> pcw_home,
http://www.machsupport.com/forum/index.php/topic,15384.msg181458.html#msg181458
[11:30:34] <MacGalempsy_> I like lulzbot.com
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[12:04:32] <cradek> jthornton: did you see the wig spam on the forum?
[12:04:43] <jthornton> no
[12:05:59] <jthornton> did you kill it?
[12:06:31] <Jymmm> jthornton: Its a wig, it's already dead.
[12:07:00] <cradek> no, I just saw it in my email
[12:07:20] <cradek> it's in using-this-forum
[12:08:00] <jthornton> Andy must have caught it
[12:08:10] <cradek> aha, thanks
[12:08:35] <cradek> you guys do a great job on the forum
[12:17:21] <Tom_itx> jthornton, 7i84 is sserial io card
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[12:40:39] <jthornton> thanks
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[15:26:08] <PetefromTn> Mornin
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[15:32:42] <FinboySlick> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ruwZdaPjbs might be cool to some people here who haven't seen it.
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[15:33:04] * FinboySlick also greets PetefromTn
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[15:47:10] <JesusAlos> hi
[15:49:09] <JesusAlos> http://pastebin.com/u6HTAuf1
[15:49:42] <JesusAlos> I don't know why, but onboard PLT port don't have address
[15:51:09] <pcw_home> Probably because the on card LPT port is not PCI
[15:51:34] <pcw_home> it will be listed in dmesg though
[15:54:07] <JesusAlos> I have clean dmesg
[15:54:25] <JesusAlos> don't list enything
[15:55:02] <JesusAlos> right, PLT don't is PCI card
[15:55:30] <JesusAlos> So, How I can see his addres?
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[16:04:13] <pcw_home> its likely in dmesg somewhere unless disabled in BIOS
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[16:04:41] <JesusAlos> In bios is enabled
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[16:06:13] <pcw_home> The BIOS should show you the address
[16:06:23] <JesusAlos> yes 378
[16:06:52] <JesusAlos> but stepconf say error when try test motor
[16:07:12] <pcw_home> what error
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[16:08:14] <JesusAlos> http://imagebin.org/275446
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[16:09:06] <JesusAlos> [error 32]pipeline broke
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[16:09:18] <PetefromTn> FinboySlick: Oops sorry man MoRNIN!!
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[16:16:38] <JesusAlos> pcw_home: any idea about the error?
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[16:19:08] <pcw_home> I guess you could try this:
[16:19:10] <pcw_home> http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?Parallel_Port_Tester
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[16:28:18] <JesusAlos> pcw_home: port run ok with ptest application
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[16:30:19] <JesusAlos> the address port is 0x378. So, what's the problem about the error?
[16:35:47] <pcw_home> Dont know, maybe you just hit a stepconf bug
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[16:36:25] <JesusAlos_> ok. Thank
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[16:37:02] <JesusAlos_> I try with liveCD
[16:37:02] <pcw_home> if the test runs (and you have stepconf set for _0x378_)
[16:37:04] <pcw_home> seem like its not port related (he said too late)
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[17:19:53] <JesusAlos_> by
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[17:23:13] <dieter_> kann man auch in deutsch Fragen stellen?
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[17:27:01] <heinri3> kann man auch in deutsch Fragen stellen?
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[17:35:51] <Loetmichel> heinri3: some can read them but it would be nicer to the other ppl to ask in english
[17:36:17] <Loetmichel> and i dount that anyone would answer in german here in the channel.
[17:40:05] <heinri3> magic33de kann deutsch, mein enlisch ist leider zu schlecht....
[17:41:29] <heinri3> loetmichel kann sicherlich auch deutsch, zumindest klingt der name sehr deutsch...
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[18:04:13] <MrHindsight> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BYAPOUwCEAAIcb5.jpg which rifle is this?
[18:06:56] <syyl_ws_> $ar15?
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[18:13:44] <skunkworks> maybe it was rhetorical...
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[18:37:45] <andypugh> Bah! Tonight was meant to be spent in a frenzy of machining, but the material hasn't turned up.
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[18:38:35] <skunkworks> crud
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[18:41:37] <CaptHindsight> Friday seems to be the day that tools break and material shows up late
[18:41:37] <skunkworks> andypugh, that is awesome (the engraving numbers)
[18:46:52] <kwallace2> andypugh: Where are the arcs?
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[18:47:47] <kwallace2> That is pretty cool.
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[19:02:45] <FinboySlick> andypugh: You seen this?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vx6hmSclbRE It's a lovely piece of footage. archivist will likely appreciate too.
[19:03:22] <andypugh> Aye, I have seen that.
[19:03:44] <archivist> I am driving a steam engine tomorrow and sunday
[19:04:17] <andypugh> This is equally cool.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k_LA_R4ifYk
[19:04:46] <andypugh> I am driving a fire-engine on Sunday, it't the VCC London-to-Brighton run.
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[19:09:00] <FinboySlick> I'm not sure how the forging hammers were controlled by then but they look as precise as if some giant man was carefully handling them.
[19:09:06] <FinboySlick> Must have been quite a skill.
[19:09:16] <archivist> never managed to get down for the london to brighton
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[21:37:23] <mrsun> do i realy need to build the simulator myself for linuxcnc? no deb packages for it to download ?
[21:37:33] <mrsun> its freakin 700mb of just development files just to build it :/
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[21:46:24] <andypugh> The other way is to run in a VM, with the realtime kernel, and ignore the latency messages
[21:47:30] <mrsun> found
http://buildbot.linuxcnc.org/
[21:47:52] <andypugh> Ah, yes, or that :-)
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[21:58:01] <WalterN> think 20" of 1.5" diameter material sticking out the back end of the machine is too much?
[21:58:10] <WalterN> in a lathe
[21:58:45] <mrsun> depends on the rpm ? :P
[21:58:47] <WalterN> I think it would be fine... but pushing it
[21:59:19] <syyl--> mit 500 rpm i dont see a problem
[21:59:29] <syyl--> with 3000rpm i would leave the room ;)
[21:59:34] <Lathe_newbie> i need a tripple or with 2 inverted inputs...
[21:59:58] <WalterN> it would be right around 1000 I guess... suppose I could lower it too
[22:00:31] <WalterN> the problem is that the parts are rather long and no good way to cut the 12' bars up in three chunks without losing material that could be one more part out of the bar
[22:00:41] <WalterN> and its solid copper, so its not exactly cheap
[22:01:03] <syyl--> any chance to support it with a stand?
[22:01:25] <syyl--> just so it doesnt start to do strange things...
[22:01:35] <WalterN> no... and if I did there isnt quite enough material sticking out to clear the very back of the machine
[22:02:02] <WalterN> at least for a support bolted to the floor
[22:02:06] <andypugh> WalterN: Any support at the back-end of the spindle?
[22:02:20] <WalterN> yeah there is
[22:02:44] <WalterN> its a 1.5" sleeve for the drawtube
[22:03:13] <WalterN> so the material is fully supported for anything thats inside of the machine (4' worth)
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[22:03:37] <andypugh> I think the maths to work out what eccentricity you can afford isn't that hard
[22:03:39] <WalterN> but the material for these parts would be best cut in half, in 6' chunks
[22:04:05] <andypugh> If that says 0.001" I would be scared. If it says 1" I wouldn;t
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[22:04:19] <WalterN> what are you talking about?
[22:05:16] <WalterN> heh, I'm not worried about the machine... its pretty beefy
[22:05:20] <andypugh> Well, the worry is that it will start whirling, and that only gets worse. But only if it gets above the stiffness limit of the material.
[22:05:34] <WalterN> oh right
[22:07:01] <andypugh> I think that is is a moderately easy equation to solve.
[22:07:08] <andypugh> If you care to,
[22:07:55] <andypugh> But I think you can probably watch it and make a judgement.
[22:08:23] <WalterN> I'm mostly going by experience with this and saying that it would be fine... but thought I would ask as a sort of check on that
[22:08:52] <andypugh> What rpm?
[22:09:06] <WalterN> right around 1000 most of the time
[22:09:27] <andypugh> I think you might want to make sure that you have specified a max rpm if using CSS
[22:09:49] <_DJ_> gn8
[22:10:03] <WalterN> I think I'll just put one in and slowly spin it up and see how it goes
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[22:12:12] <WalterN> first I'm going to stuff one of these short bars in thats already cut and make sure the program is good
[22:12:16] <WalterN> heh
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[22:39:55] <WalterN> alright, program is good :3
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[22:45:36] <CaptHindsight> WalterN: any progress on the anodizing or SLS printing?
[22:49:19] <WalterN> CaptHindsight: been really busy with other stuff
[22:57:55] <WalterN> woo first bar run
[22:58:07] <WalterN> now lets try a longer 6' bar I guess
[22:58:18] <andypugh> Wear a hat
[22:58:23] <andypugh> :-)
[23:00:55] <andypugh> <ponder> Can you determine if a given bar is safe at a given speed if the max elastic deflection is near the elastic limit? I think you probably can.
[23:03:50] <Tom_itx> no feed tube to support the bar??
[23:06:00] <WalterN> well
[23:06:15] <WalterN> I probably couldent bend the bar jumping up and down on it
[23:06:46] <Tom_itx> no but at 1k rpm you may be surprised what could happen
[23:06:57] <WalterN> Tom_itx: there is, just that it sticks out 20" from the end of that
[23:07:19] <Tom_itx> 20" should be ok i would think
[23:07:55] <Tom_itx> set the rpm limit so surface speed doesn't exceed it toward the center of the bar
[23:08:20] <Tom_itx> i've heard storries
[23:08:33] <WalterN> yeah
[23:09:03] <WalterN> it maxes out at 1.1k RPM at the moment, and I just tested with the 20" hangout
[23:09:05] <WalterN> its fine
[23:09:13] <Tom_itx> you could end up with a propeller out the end of the lathe
[23:09:42] <WalterN> with anything less than 1" diameter I probably wouldent do it
[23:10:12] <Tom_itx> the only ones i've ever run with 12' bars had feed tubes
[23:10:24] <WalterN> yeah
[23:10:33] <Tom_itx> 6 & 8 spindle gridleys and most recently an okuma kadet
[23:10:38] <WalterN> where I used to work they had a 12' hydraulic thing
[23:10:51] <WalterN> for one of the lathes
[23:11:17] <andypugh> This is not a bad idea:
http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/raptorbird/programmable-capacitor?ref=home_spotlight
[23:11:43] <andypugh> I am sure it has been done before, but expensively
[23:13:08] <PCW> capacitor substitution box they used to call them
[23:13:09] <WalterN> there are variable capacitors in a lot (most?) of the old radio equipment... the kind that has vacuum tubes in them
[23:13:37] <andypugh> We had one at school. Bit it did not cast $25
[23:13:59] <andypugh> (Try that with a vowel substitution box)
[23:14:10] <PCW> .1 pF is optimistic the PCB will have at least 20 or so
[23:14:14] <WalterN> like this...
http://www.mtmscientific.com/cap3.jpg
[23:14:20] <PCW> pF that is
[23:14:41] <andypugh> WalterN: But that will be 1 to 4 pF or similar
[23:15:04] <WalterN> just dunk it in oil to increase capacitance XD
[23:15:39] <PCW> or water for even more
[23:15:43] <WalterN> and move the fins closer together
[23:16:23] * WalterN goes back to making copper parts
[23:16:24] <andypugh> I challenge you to move the knob on a 10uF parallel plate adjustable cap
[23:16:55] <andypugh> I once dismantled a 6kV Farad.
[23:17:10] <andypugh> (a whole one)
[23:17:35] <ds3> how hard can that be... surely u got high E materials....
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[23:18:56] <Tom_itx> make one for resistors as well
[23:19:15] <andypugh> PCW: I guess to an extent it doesn't matter if the board has .1f between the tracks, switching in the smallest will still change it by that amount
[23:20:32] <Tom_itx> what project only needs one cap though?
[23:21:21] <andypugh> it's rare to have many caps you need to find the right vakue for
[23:21:30] <andypugh> Most can be "big enough"
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[23:21:37] <WalterN> BTW made the first part with 20" sticking out
[23:21:40] <WalterN> its fine
[23:21:51] <Tom_itx> how long are the parts?
[23:23:56] <WalterN> 8.61" long
[23:24:16] <WalterN> plus a little extra cause they need to be turned around
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[23:27:32] <andypugh> toaster oven?
[23:27:38] <WalterN> pink fluffy unicorns dancing on rainbows
[23:27:41] <Tom_itx> yeah
[23:28:00] <andypugh> it's easy if your boards have solder resist
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[23:28:10] <andypugh> It's impossible otherwise
[23:28:31] <andypugh> (Well, for teeny-tiny pitches anyway)
[23:28:57] <Tom_itx> i quit doing 0402 by hand or oven
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[23:29:14] <Tom_itx> hardly worth the space savings vs time it takes to locate them
[23:29:33] <Tom_itx> besides i lost a few up the hypo needle trying to place em
[23:29:59] <Tom_itx> fishtank pump reversed for suction and a hypo needle is my manual 'pick n place
[23:30:30] <andypugh> 0402 should be OK compared to things like 0.5mm pitch 48-pin packages
[23:31:50] <Tom_itx> http://tom-itx.dyndns.org:81/~webpage/boards/USBTiny_Mkii/batch1.jpg
[23:31:51] <andypugh> I guess you already figured out having a big hole in the barrel of your holder to turn the vacuum on and off?
[23:32:03] <Tom_itx> i did a few hundred of those by hand before i made the oven
[23:32:12] <Tom_itx> yep
[23:32:24] <Tom_itx> i just used a Tee fitting
[23:32:44] <andypugh> It's completely conventional I think, but I thought worth mentioning :-)
[23:33:35] <andypugh> Where is the Tee?
[23:34:16] <Tom_itx> in the tube going to the hypo needle, i just use my left hand over the hole while placing with my right
[23:34:31] <andypugh> Having the valve in the side of the vacuum tweezers seems more intuitive than having a remote control for a different digit
[23:36:05] <Tom_itx> http://tom-itx.dyndns.org:81/~webpage/boards/USBTiny_Mkii/Boxes/USBTinyMkII_open.jpg
[23:36:06] <andypugh> Like this:
http://www.2spi.com/catalog/tools/images/00010.jpg
[23:36:14] <Tom_itx> working on a batch of those this evening
[23:36:33] <Tom_itx> yeah i know what you mean
[23:36:40] <andypugh> makes me feel tense just looking at it
[23:36:46] <Tom_itx> i saw one for sale used locally but didn't get it
[23:36:49] <Tom_itx> commercial one
[23:37:19] <andypugh> A random bit of tube and a few minutes with a lathe?
[23:37:33] <Tom_itx> i suppose
[23:37:41] <andypugh> Possibly a ballpoint pen and a drill
[23:37:45] <Tom_itx> my butt hath grown roots though
[23:38:42] <WalterN> heh
[23:38:50] <Tom_itx> mine is rather ghetto but it works
[23:39:36] <andypugh> I know what you mean, I am now faced with the chore of checking my update to the boring canned cycle, which means a walk out to the garage and using the actual machine
[23:40:41] <Tom_itx> hah, the walnut box was one of my first cnc projects on the sherline:
http://tom-itx.dyndns.org:81/~webpage/temp/calipers.jpg
[23:43:44] <WalterN> I dont think I could bring myself to buy a sherline
[23:44:33] <Tom_itx> it's limited for sure but i've done quite a bit on it
[23:46:50] <Tom_itx> it took alot of getting used to from running the big ones
[23:51:21] <WalterN> hmm
[23:51:48] <WalterN> I'm getting these weird scratch marks along the surface of the area that I'm cutting
[23:52:22] <Tom_itx> stringy copper crap
[23:52:28] <WalterN> well
[23:52:37] <Tom_itx> it's miserable to machine
[23:52:44] <WalterN> the weird thing is that the scratch marks are straight
[23:53:05] <WalterN> from one end to the other of the part
[23:53:13] <Tom_itx> not collet marks?
[23:53:23] <WalterN> collet is not clamping there
[23:53:46] <WalterN> hold on lemme see if my phone camera will work
[23:53:48] <andypugh> Possibly part of the material?
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[23:55:50] <Tom_itx> sure hope i have more paste, this crap is all dried up
[23:56:58] <WalterN> I'm not cutting very deep in that area...
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