#linuxcnc | Logs for 2013-10-28

[00:05:07] <MacGalempsy> making those tired probably violated clean air laws
[00:05:09] <MacGalempsy> heh
[00:06:26] <andypugh> They last decades and never get ounctures.
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[00:07:26] <MacGalempsy> ive been going through this digital drive for the last two nights and am having difficulty figuring out the wiring
[00:08:19] <andypugh> Yeah, good luck with that :-)
[00:08:48] <MacGalempsy> loading windows 2k so I can attempt a serial interface with the companies obsolete software
[00:09:09] <andypugh> Try a VM
[00:09:58] <MacGalempsy> virtual machine?
[00:10:07] <MacGalempsy> in linux? not sure how to do that
[00:10:28] <Valen> solid tyres.... fun fun fun ;->
[00:11:10] <Valen> You could perhaps look at making urethane tyres, you can do that at room temp at least
[00:11:10] <andypugh> VirtualBox, I think
[00:11:32] <Valen> We make them for small robots so i'm not sure how well it'd carry over
[00:11:51] <andypugh> Some of the steam guys use urethane. Our problem is that we are actually quite fast and do 1000+ miles per year.
[00:12:25] <Valen> speed shouldn't be an issue, durability would be my only concern, but then we use super duper soft stuff
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[00:12:38] <Valen> you want some qualifying tyres for your fire engine? ;->
[00:12:48] <andypugh> Speed is an issue. We tend to over-heat the tyres
[00:13:09] <Valen> would you consider going to a penumatic tyre?
[00:13:13] <Valen> presumably with inner tube
[00:13:44] <andypugh> We had a set that lasted 20 years, then the next set game away from the hoops in 3 years.
[00:14:02] <Tom_itx> guess they don't make things like they used to ehh
[00:14:05] <andypugh> The current set are doing better. it's been about 10 years and they still seem fine.
[00:14:24] <andypugh> There are no rims on the wheels.
[00:14:36] <Valen> how do they attach?
[00:14:38] <andypugh> The tyres are bonded to a steel hoop, and pressed on.
[00:14:52] <Valen> that sounds like awesome fun to change ;->
[00:14:58] <Tom_itx> you can still get them made?
[00:15:50] <andypugh> Here are two more of the same model. One was converted to Pnuematic in the 1930s, and they just don't look right: http://ccmv.aecsouthall.co.uk/img/s3/v26/p121267194-3.jpg
[00:15:52] <Valen> I'd suggest if you did do urethane, make it with multiple grades, go a harder inner then towards a softer outer, it'll reduce the heating
[00:16:25] <Valen> I figured you would go penumatic in the same profile
[00:16:47] <andypugh> I am pretty sure that they simply don't exist
[00:17:02] <Valen> they don't but if you are making stuff why not go nuts ;->
[00:17:53] <andypugh> Scratch-building solid is probably easier than pneumatic. Making beads and plies? That's tricky stuff
[00:18:19] <Valen> I was thinking inner tube to handle most of the tricky stuff
[00:18:29] <andypugh> When the time comes, we will find a way.
[00:18:43] <Valen> plies aren't that hard, doing the side walls could be tricky
[00:20:10] <andypugh> As for fitting, we know an old bloke with a solid-tyre fitting press. Actually, I think that he died, and someone else has it now. But it is a priceless bit of kit (water-hydraulic) and it's pretty certain that it will always find a home (despite being 20 tons and buried in the ground)
[00:21:25] <Valen> lol nice
[00:21:59] <andypugh> I know at least one chap in his 30s who would happily install it in the corner of his yard.
[00:22:14] <Valen> make that 2 ;->
[00:22:22] <Valen> shipping could be a touch expensive lol
[00:23:13] <andypugh> This is him here, rescuing a 1908 truck from under a house (I helped, a little bit) http://hmvf.co.uk/forumvb/showthread.php?13636-1908-Dennis-Truck
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[00:26:56] <andypugh> Interesting that Dennis were claiming to be "The oldest motor maker in England" in 1907. I guess that means that they still are.
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[00:30:58] <Tom_itx> what was it doing under a house?
[00:32:00] <andypugh> The chassis had been converted into a NAAFI wagon trailer, them the trailer into a caravan, then the caravan into a holiday home, then the holiday home, rather organically, into quite a big house. :-)
[00:32:34] <Valen> I can't imagine the histronics that would happen if council found out about that here
[00:36:34] <andypugh> It's really rather unconvetional here. Perhaps even more so. The reason that Ben has not got a lot further with his van is that he is converting an old factory into a house, and the building regs hoops he is having to jump through are ludicrous. (Because it is a change-of-use it has to be up to all the very latest regulations.) I am just grateful that the house I built had always been a house (for 500 years) so we were exem
[00:36:35] <andypugh> from nearly all the rules (and ignored the rest :-)
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[00:37:28] <Tom_itx> at what point did you update the house with modern utilities? or is it?
[00:38:02] <Tom_itx> that would be a chore in itself
[00:38:42] <Valen> I want to design a house to last 500 years
[00:39:11] <Tom_itx> you'd never know if you succeeded
[00:39:12] <Valen> the name of the game is "expansion", who knows what people will want to run by then, probably going to need a matter pipe
[00:39:33] <Valen> if its still standing when i kick the bucket I'll call it close enough?
[00:39:44] <Valen> I love the idea of making stuff to last, things that'll last a long time
[00:40:20] <andypugh> Valen: http://www.bodgesoc.org/slaithwaite.html
[00:40:44] <andypugh> (a very old website, from the days when "thumbnail" was literal.
[00:41:31] <Valen> I'm working on some pliers at the moment, replacable carbide/hss inserts for the cutters, user serviceable hinge joint, stainless handles
[00:42:00] <andypugh> What brand?
[00:42:18] <Valen> I'll be making them
[00:42:29] <Valen> I haven't seen anything like that in pliers, they are all disposable
[00:42:41] <andypugh> Though I am rather parial to box-jointed pliers and nippers, partly because I have no idea how they make them.
[00:44:13] <Tom_itx> they must burnish the 'rivet' joint
[00:44:20] <Tom_itx> then grind the outter part
[00:44:41] <Valen> I was going for a pair of angular contact bushings with adjustable preload
[00:45:02] <andypugh> That's the easy part of the puzzle. The hard part is how they assemble them..
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[00:47:48] <Valen> andypugh: probably stamp them after putting them through each other
[00:48:44] <andypugh> Well, yes, but, it is still pretty impressive how all the curves still fit after that.
[00:50:03] <andypugh> I have no reason to think that this might not last 500 years: https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/RXISmcDuivLRVKO9-hnzqdMTjNZETYmyPJy0liipFm0?feat=directlink
[00:50:10] <Tom_itx> http://www.cogsdill.com/products/burnishing/
[00:50:22] <Tom_itx> that was what i was thinking of
[00:50:26] <Tom_itx> the process anyway
[00:52:36] <Valen> hey anybody know much about vapour deposition
[00:52:51] <Valen> I was wondering how much vacuum i need to pull to plate some copper
[00:53:01] <andypugh> I used to.
[00:53:27] <Valen> it looks to be simple enough in the home shop
[00:53:38] <Valen> not trivial of course but not OMG either
[00:53:40] <andypugh> Time was that I would be doing VD every day, when I was an electron microscopist.
[00:54:01] <Valen> heh, might be a little higher end than I need
[00:54:36] <andypugh> At the time it needed both a roughing pump and a diffusion pump.
[00:54:49] <andypugh> But things have moved on a lot in that area.
[00:56:24] <andypugh> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Pfeiffer-TPH-055-turbo-turbomolecular-vacuum-pump-UHV-/251358783172?pt=BI_Pumps&hash=item3a8626a6c4
[00:56:56] <t12> the one i have at work uses a roughing pump and a tiny turbo
[00:57:02] <t12> for use with carbon
[00:57:42] <andypugh> It makes me feel quite old that when I played with HV the turbomolecular pump hadn't been invented.
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[00:58:13] <Valen> My application is plating copper onto glass, I want a decent coating for electrical conductivity
[00:58:43] <andypugh> (Checks Wikipedia). Ah, it had. Clearly the places I worked at just couldn't afford them :-)
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[00:59:21] <Valen> Think that'd be needed if i purged with argon first?
[01:00:52] <andypugh> Yes
[01:01:29] <Valen> :-<
[01:01:49] <Valen> I was hoping I could get away with a refregeration pump
[01:02:36] <Valen> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ne4-10kiSaE&noredirect=1 I should speak to this guy
[01:02:42] <andypugh> I guess this is out of your budget? http://www.ebay.com/itm/Emitech-K650-Large-Sample-Sputter-Coater-/251321284641?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3a83ea7821
[01:03:05] <Valen> heh just a touch ;->
[01:03:43] <Valen> I wonder if thats some kind of turbo pump under the chamber he has there
[01:03:44] <andypugh> He looks to have a diffusion pump there.
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[01:22:06] <joebog> gday all quick question I have a HY200 3450 stepper motor with 6 wires colours are as follows black, black/white, red, red/white, orange/white, yellow/white anybody know which are the phases ?
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[01:23:24] <joebog> are they a black, inverse a black/white and b red inverse b red/white ?
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[01:24:26] <cradek> joebog: impossible to say -- measure resistances
[01:24:37] <joebog> thanks
[01:24:37] <Tom_itx> an ohm meter will tell you
[01:24:51] <andypugh> You can check the ends with a multimeter. I would rather expect black/black white to show a few ohms to each other.
[01:25:24] <andypugh> Alternatively, if you connect any two wires, only the phase-ends will make the motor harder to turn
[01:25:25] <cradek> if you have the motor in hand, and no ohmmeter, you can also do a quick test shorting the windings and feeling the cogging increase
[01:25:29] <cradek> ha
[01:25:37] <cradek> great minds think alike, and so do we
[01:26:50] <andypugh> What also matters on an 8-wire is the phase directions. I had a couple of motors where the data sheet didn't match the actual wires. So my serial connections ended up back-to bal
[01:27:02] <joebog> what I just found is that red/white and yellow/white are shorted toigether and black/white and orange/white are also shorted
[01:27:12] <joebog> sorry for stupid question :D
[01:27:27] <andypugh> ... back to back. Lots of current, no torque. The wire-shorting method is the only way to sort that out.
[01:27:58] <cradek> you should expect a few ohms, not a dead short
[01:28:17] <cradek> you probably have two coils with center taps, and the resistances will help you tell which are the centers
[01:28:27] <cradek> andypugh: he has 6
[01:28:41] <Tom_itx> a couple may be centertaps
[01:28:46] <joebog> have received from china the new controller for indexing headDM860A VERY nicely made !!!
[01:28:48] <andypugh> it's not a stupid question. It's actually pretty involved when you are trying to sort out A1 from B2 etc on an 8-wire, and figure out the directions too.
[01:29:11] <andypugh> Ah, 6 is easier. Must learn to pay attention.
[01:29:29] <joebog> there are 6 wires out of the motor but are shorted as I noted above
[01:29:40] <joebog> I didnt see that at first
[01:29:44] <andypugh> joebog: Were you the guy who orderef the flat-belt from lathes.co.uk?
[01:29:52] <joebog> yes I was
[01:29:59] <joebog> still no answer
[01:30:03] <andypugh> Strange.
[01:30:11] <joebog> two machines
[01:30:17] <andypugh> I have noticed that the online shop has disappeared.
[01:30:44] <joebog> just checked emails again
[01:30:53] <joebog> nothing and its like a month ago
[01:31:05] <joebog> maybe they are translating ASCII to morse ????
[01:31:12] <joebog> :D
[01:31:31] <andypugh> They still seem to offer belts, but it looks like they might have given up on the online shop. Perhaps due to problems with it.
[01:32:29] <andypugh> My belt definitley arrived, and is very good. You can see it at the end of this video: http://youtu.be/0rwoD2vZUl0
[01:33:46] <joebog> I still need flat belts if anybody can reccomend somewhere
[01:33:53] <joebog> dont care yank or pommie
[01:34:21] <joebog> and milling cutters etc
[01:34:25] <joebog> collet chucks
[01:35:20] <andypugh> I don't know what has gone wrong with the belt order. I suggest you might need to try a telephone call. Though that might be tricky and a bit expensive.
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[01:36:16] <joebog> it is :)
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[01:36:52] <Tom_itx> collets & tooling: http://www.maritool.com/Tool-Holders/c23/index.html
[01:36:54] <Tom_itx> http://www.lakeshorecarbide.com/
[01:37:02] <andypugh> For cheap tooling, you are nearer Hong Kong than me. I have been happy enough with stuff from: http://www.ctctools.biz/servlet/StoreFront
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[01:37:35] <joebog> the gunsmith doesnt car about price
[01:37:41] <joebog> care
[01:37:45] <Tom_itx> http://www.maritool.com/Collets/c21/index.html
[01:38:10] <andypugh> Whem it comes up cheap on eBay I like German/Swiss/British stuff, of course. :)
[01:38:22] <joebog> agreed andy
[01:38:31] <joebog> and have logged that site Tom
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[01:39:03] <Tom_itx> does mcmaster have collets?
[01:39:05] <Tom_itx> not sure
[01:39:55] <joebog> the gunsmith bought a manual a few months ago from lathes.uk so we went there for belts n stuff
[01:40:00] <joebog> not even an answer
[01:41:15] <andypugh> http://www.cromwellpty.com.au is where I go when I am in a hurry (well, the UK version, 15 mins walk from my house)
[01:41:23] <Tom_itx> http://www.hitnmiss.com/25a.html
[01:41:40] <Tom_itx> http://products.beltcorp.com/viewitems/flat-belts-specialty-belts/woven-endless-flat-belting
[01:43:01] <joebog> tks andy thats aussie company too
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[01:44:58] <andypugh> Their range in .au might be a bit more limited than the UK version. I am not seeing the "Spindle nose and workholding" that you can see in the UK version. Though, oddly, the UK site is down
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[01:45:44] <PetefromTn> Evening folks...
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[01:46:50] <joebog> gday Pete
[01:47:14] <PetefromTn> Gray mate, you from down under?
[01:47:35] <PetefromTn> Gday
[01:48:00] <joebog> bloody oath :D
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[01:48:25] <someone972_> Well that took a while to pop up.
[01:48:28] <joebog> BRB in 10
[01:48:47] <PetefromTn> Watching the dark night.....kickass movie.
[01:49:19] <someone972_> That's the third one right?
[01:49:53] <PetefromTn> The one with Heath Ledger as Joker. Chilling performance.
[01:50:26] <someone972_> Agreed, he did an incredible job.
[01:51:33] <PetefromTn> The way he spoke, the things he said and that freaking crazy look on his face.....probably the best bad Guy in any movie ever. Period.
[01:53:22] <PetefromTn> Anyone making anything interesting with LinuxCNC today?
[01:53:38] <someone972_> Well I'm trying to get my homemade cnc machine moving
[01:53:47] <andypugh> PetefromTn: Did you see my pulley?
[01:53:55] <PetefromTn> Homemade CNC what?
[01:54:20] <someone972_> It's a standard 3-axis stepper driven machine built mainly out of parts from home depot
[01:54:25] <PetefromTn> Andypugh no I missed it apparently
[01:54:34] <andypugh> I think that was slightly interesting, I doubt that more than a few flat belt pulleys get made in the average week :-)
[01:54:45] <PetefromTn> Cool router then?
[01:55:01] <andypugh> http://youtu.be/0rwoD2vZUl0
[01:55:32] <PetefromTn> Ooh video.....standby while I watch. On my smartphone here LOL.
[01:56:24] <someone972_> So is there anyone on that's familiar with the LinuxCNC source code that could point me in the right direction?
[01:57:19] <andypugh> You shouldn't need source-code level knowledge to get your machine working
[01:57:21] <andypugh> :-)
[01:57:45] <someone972_> The controller isn't exactly standard :p
[01:58:49] <andypugh> What's the question?
[01:59:02] <someone972_> Essentially I want to offload the final step generation to the control board
[01:59:12] <andypugh> OK.
[01:59:27] <andypugh> Your own control board?
[01:59:42] <someone972_> ya
[01:59:48] <PetefromTn> Andypugh damn that is some serious turning man. Jealous dude. My kingdom for a horizontal vertical mill LOL.
[02:00:37] <andypugh> someone972_: You have built the board? I only ask as you can buy a PCI card that does this for $80
[02:01:48] <someone972_> I kind of built it - it's on a breadboard right now. It's more of a learning experience then for practicality's sake.
[02:02:14] <someone972_> Although I have a pcb designed so it can cut out it's own board when the time comes ;P
[02:02:39] <PetefromTn> What's the structure built from?
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[02:03:19] <someone972_> Are you asking andy or me?
[02:03:30] <andypugh> But, basically, the axis.N.motor-position-cmd HAL pin updates every 1mS (if that is the servo thread rate) so all your board has to do is to set its pulse rate correctly to make the right number of pulses in the next servo period. Ideally compensating for any pulses it under-shot or over-shot by last time.
[02:03:31] <PetefromTn> You...
[02:04:00] <someone972_> What do you mean by structure?
[02:04:20] <PetefromTn> I mean whayzitmadeof?
[02:04:52] <someone972_> Oh, MDF (wood particle board) and aluminum bars
[02:05:14] <someone972_> It's fairly small, it's mostly designed for simple circuit board milling
[02:05:58] <PetefromTn> Aah cool....
[02:06:24] <andypugh> You probably want to look at the intearaction between the make-pulses and calculate-position functions here: http://git.linuxcnc.org/gitweb?p=linuxcnc.git;a=blob;f=src/hal/components/stepgen.c;h=09bbcf3c90771a7b67201e7d34f50182ff884cc7;hb=HEAD but the closest analogue of what you are trying to do is the (less simple) code here;
[02:06:25] <andypugh> http://git.linuxcnc.org/gitweb?p=linuxcnc.git;a=blob;f=src/hal/drivers/mesa-hostmot2/stepgen.c;h=0538d8a833be8d9f16a10d401f2934a5f01d5f6f;hb=HEAD
[02:07:36] <PetefromTn> Kinda like a microcarve?
[02:07:40] <someone972_> That looks like a good place to start
[02:09:34] <someone972_> Kind of, except the z axis is fixed in the x/y direction while the x y tables move below it
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[02:10:50] <PetefromTn> Interesting, i like the looks of the microcarve machines. Would not mind building one.
[02:11:31] <someone972_> It probably would have been a good idea to come on here and other forums before building it, it's loosely based off of various diy designs I found online, and a lot of seat-of-the-pants engineering
[02:11:44] <someone972_> Is that the right term? Sounds weird
[02:11:56] <PetefromTn> Cool got a pic or three?
[02:12:16] <someone972_> I don't have any with the enclosure or the z axis
[02:12:26] <someone972_> I'm at college right now and only brought up the x/y table
[02:12:38] <someone972_> Might be able to find a camera and get a pic though
[02:12:55] <PetefromTn> Cool no worries if not.
[02:14:07] <PetefromTn> Wanted to run my VMC here today but wound up doing a bunch of decoration for Halloween and mowing the lawn so we can put up our fake graveyard and skulls etc. LOL
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[02:25:13] <PetefromTn> Well gotta get ta bed...cya folks.
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[02:31:09] <someone972_> So lets say that I want to queue commands on the control chip, where would I be looking for that?
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[02:34:32] <andypugh> We don't do queuing
[02:34:59] <andypugh> LinuxCNC is "realtime"
[02:36:14] <andypugh> When an axis position command is sent, then the expectation is that next time the system looks (1mS later, typically) then that is where is will be.
[02:36:59] <andypugh> So, the system sends an updated position request every mS (pretty much exactly) and the job of your board is to make it so.
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[02:38:11] <someone972_> Maybe I'm thinking too high-level of the read-ahead queueing
[02:43:17] <someone972_> Maybe the best way to describe what I'm trying to do is that I'm trying to move the realtime aspects to the control chip
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[02:44:19] <someone972_> Something along the lines of LinuxCNC does the parsing and line/circle/velocity etc calculations, then sends those to the chip
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[02:49:33] <DrNoboto> CaptHindsight: https://chicago.craigslist.org/nwc/tls/4155786129.html
[02:50:36] <DrNoboto> kind of expensive
[02:50:39] <DrNoboto> but obo
[02:55:27] <uw> pffff 5k my butt
[02:55:56] <uw> glorified bridgeport
[02:59:24] <DrNoboto> i've heard a lot better things about trees than bridgeports
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[03:00:03] <Tom_itx> my friend had a row of trees and they seemed quite rugged
[03:00:15] <Tom_itx> one had an odd control on it
[03:00:55] <Tom_itx> they were VMC though
[03:01:06] <andypugh> someone972_: Yes but, LinuxCNC is realtime too,
[03:01:25] <andypugh> And, in fact, has no way to not be realtime.
[03:01:59] <someone972_> What is considered realtime?
[03:02:02] <t12> http://www.quantum-munich.de/fileadmin/media/media/higgs/Higgs-press_picture_apparatus_01.jpg
[03:02:18] <andypugh> It's only "soft" realtime, but it is realtime enough that queuing would be hard (and pointless) to implement.
[03:02:19] <t12> mission: find a photograph of the most complicated optical table
[03:03:08] <andypugh> someone972_: Well, typically you would expect any thread to execute when requeted ±20uS
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[03:08:18] <andypugh> t12: Is that actually real?
[03:08:32] <DrNoboto> a real mission?
[03:09:47] <andypugh> It reminds me of the Horror Film lab with racks of glasware fulll of colourful liquids, that I knew were just props until I walked into a University lab.
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[03:11:23] <t12> i think it is
[03:11:43] <t12> http://www.quantum-munich.de/media/higgs-near-absolute-zero/
[03:11:59] <t12> thats the most insane one i've found
[03:12:08] <t12> if its a prop its an exceedly expensive one
[03:12:12] <t12> exceedingly
[03:12:12] <t12> lasjkdh
[03:14:11] <t12> http://www.flickr.com/photos/t12/5741789634/in/set-72157626767866860
[03:14:22] <t12> heres a favorite from the advanced light source
[03:17:39] <DrNoboto> i wish the higgs one was bigger
[03:17:54] <DrNoboto> oh, i found the link
[03:17:55] <DrNoboto> nice
[03:18:08] <t12> maybe i should apply to be a thorlabs artist in residence
[03:18:11] <DrNoboto> haha
[03:18:14] <t12> to make the most insane optical table
[03:18:15] <DrNoboto> free labsnacks
[03:18:22] <t12> loll
[03:18:30] <t12> they need to scale labsnacks in proportion to your order value
[03:19:32] <DrNoboto> i would hate to have to align that
[03:19:51] <DrNoboto> i'd like to see a schematic
[03:20:05] <t12> yeah i was imagning how to align the inside parts
[03:20:16] <t12> you could suspend from the ceiling like some some kind of mission impossible scene
[03:20:23] <DrNoboto> grappling hook
[03:20:24] <DrNoboto> haha
[03:20:24] <DrNoboto> yeah
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[03:23:34] <someone972_> Well I'm out for tonight, thanks for getting me started with the source stuff
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[03:40:45] <CaptHindsight> heh, I like the pic with the gamepad
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[03:42:08] <CaptHindsight> http://www.flickr.com/photos/t12/5741239379/in/set-72157626767866860/lightbox/
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[03:44:54] <CaptHindsight> http://phys.org/news/2013-10-kettle.html How the kettle got its whistle
[04:05:14] <jesseg> LOL...?
[04:05:34] <jesseg> I thought kettles were designed to whistle so you know as soon as the water's hot so you can have your tea.
[04:06:44] <jesseg> And I further always assumed that the whistle worked essentially on the same general principle as a fluit or penny whistle or any number of wind instruments
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[07:32:31] <_DJ_> moin
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[09:06:55] <newbie> Hi there
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[10:28:29] <The_Ball> I see a few commits in the git tree relating to the RPi, is it possible to run the pi with a realtime kernel now?
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[10:53:17] <archivist> probably better off with a beabglebone black
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[12:48:00] <probotix> i am still having problem sending email to the lists using *@probotix.com from any ip address
[12:48:47] <probotix> i was able to get one through to the developers list yesterday at 7:32AM CST, but none since
[12:49:20] <MacGalempsy> a sucessful night of wiring the encoders. time to wire up the electric and setup the axis motors
[12:50:49] <probotix> our mail server is not flagged by any of the blacklists that i have been able to find
[12:52:01] <skunkworks> maybe ping cradek - I think he may be one of the admins of the sourceforge list
[12:52:11] <probotix> and i get the same result when the email server is sitting on an ip address that has a reverse mx lookup
[12:57:16] <archivist> probotix, only one name server
[12:58:34] <archivist> should not be a reason for rejection though
[12:59:31] <archivist> ah you have 3 dead name servers for your A record
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[13:00:16] <archivist> those are tld servers that are sick
[13:01:08] <archivist> probotix, self checking of dns http://dns.squish.net/ I use the old version as I am used to it
[13:01:49] <archivist> check your TXT record too
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[13:05:04] <PetefromTn> Mornin' folks..
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[13:09:22] <skunkworks> probotix, this was in the header of your email - any help?
[13:09:23] <skunkworks> Spam Filtering performed by mx.sourceforge.net. See http://spamassassin.org/tag/ for more details. 0.0 URIBL_BLOCKED ADMINISTRATOR NOTICE: The query to URIBL was blocked. See http://wiki.apache.org/spamassassin/DnsBlocklists#dnsbl-block for more information. [URIs: highlab.com] 1.0 RDNS_NONE Delivered to internal network by a host with no rDNS
[13:11:34] <probotix> thanks archivist, but i just don't see the problem and this is something that suddenly started happening without us making any changes
[13:12:21] <archivist> what skunkworks says and people are now requiring txt records for mail too
[13:13:22] <cradek> probotix: I got your mail. I also gave you advice about this days ago, not sure if you saw it.
[13:14:01] <cradek> and no I don't have much control over the lists at all, and I can't see sourceforge's logs unfortunately. they have a trouble ticket system that you might try if you need their help.
[13:14:13] <probotix> i did, and i contacted our host who setup a reverse record for us, but i still coulnd't get through on that ip address
[13:14:16] <cradek> but you should fix your dns problems first, and you should also probably stop sending html
[13:14:43] <cradek> the mail you sent me personally has Received: from vps.probotix.com (vps.lunarpages.com [] (may be forged)
[13:14:44] <probotix> whats stange is that i can send email from any other domain on that same server, its only *@probotix.com that fails
[13:15:00] <cradek> that means your forward and reverse DNSes don't match up, as I advised earlier
[13:15:14] <cradek> that would also tend to implicate DNS problems
[13:15:27] <cradek> brb
[13:15:54] <archivist> for a mail server I admin I have herronwindows.co.uk. 86400 IN TXT "v=spf1 a mx -all"
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[14:13:24] <PetefromTn> Damn I wish I was better at Cad drawings LOL..
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[14:28:30] <archivist> PetefromTn, often its the cad program too, some drive the user a bit better :)
[14:29:10] <PetefromTn> archivist: Yeah I know man but I have a couple programs here that are decent. I just need a LOT more practice LOL.
[14:29:36] <PetefromTn> Right now I am drawing a pretty large built in cabinet I am hopefully gonna be building for a customers home.
[14:30:55] <PetefromTn> I will say listening to Vangelis channel on Pandorah helps me concentrate tho.. Wish I was drawing some CNC parts for the VMC but Oh well.
[14:32:41] <archivist> I chuck muzak on too when getting into something
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[14:33:06] <PetefromTn> it certainly helps me... I NEED all the help I can get
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[14:36:37] <archivist> I am fitting windows tomorrow, getting paid instead of my own
[14:38:12] <cradek> archivist: I wonder if probotix got (and read) my responses this time
[14:38:27] <archivist> no idea
[14:39:15] <archivist> we will find out when he gets it to work or fails :)
[14:42:02] <PetefromTn> fitting windows to your own house?
[14:42:27] <archivist> no, for a window company
[14:43:06] <PetefromTn> okay. I replaced all the windows in the front of my house when we resided it last year. PIA>
[14:43:22] <PetefromTn> oh and the front entryway door too.
[14:44:19] <archivist> I have practiced on a couple of doors and a window here, then I get an email this morning "Do you fancy a crash course in fitting tomorrow??"
[14:45:06] <probotix> i read them last time too - but I still couldn't get emails through after they added rDNS
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[14:46:32] <PetefromTn> LOL gotta love anything with CRASH in the name...
[14:48:44] <cradek> probotix: but it's still wrong
[14:49:08] <archivist> probotix, your reverse dns is vps.lunarpages.com
[14:50:06] <probotix> then it should be wrong for other email addresses that DO work, too
[14:50:31] <cradek> then maybe we haven't guessed the problem
[14:50:36] <cradek> it's tough without access to sf's logs
[14:50:38] <probotix> i have other hostnames on the same box that i can send email from
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[14:52:12] <archivist> remember some mail servers require better settings
[14:52:33] <probotix> fair enough - thats all i really wanted to know - is there someone on here who does have access to diagnose that type of thing - and i guess that answer is no
[14:53:19] <cradek> unfortunately :-/
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[14:53:26] <archivist> deal with things we mentioned and it will all start working probably
[14:53:58] <cradek> yes make forward and reverse dns match each other, make sure your spf records are right, don't send html
[14:53:59] <archivist> I hate setting up mail too :)
[14:54:19] <archivist> you have no spf record
[14:54:32] <cradek> oh that's probably fine
[14:54:37] <cradek> no record is much better than a wrong one
[14:54:54] <archivist> sps is a recent requirement
[14:54:58] <archivist> spf
[14:55:38] <cradek> probotix: do you have access to YOUR sendmail logs?
[14:55:53] <cradek> probotix: it would be interesting to see whether they're accepting your mail in the first place
[14:56:23] <probotix> yes - it looks like they are accepting
[14:56:24] <cradek> probotix: if your mail gets dropped and you don't get either an error when sending or a bounce later, SOMEONE has something very wrong
[14:56:39] <probotix> and no bounce
[14:57:36] <cradek> paste the acceptance line?
[14:58:09] <probotix> i turned on "Receive acknowledgement mail when you send mail to the list?" and sent one to developers yesterday morning - got the acknowledgement, sent another two minutes later and it disappeared into the ether without an ack
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[14:59:01] <cradek> huh, that's pretty obnoxious
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[14:59:38] <cradek> unfortunately your only bets are to guess and fix obvious things (especially dns) or ask sf for help
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[15:01:05] <probotix> 2013-10-28 10:00:33 1VaoIs-0002vG-CB => emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net R=lookuphost T=remote_smtp H=mx.sourceforge.net []
[15:01:05] <probotix> 2013-10-28 10:00:33 1VaoIs-0002vG-CB Completed
[15:02:31] <cradek> does that look the same as the one that came through at Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2013 07:32:05 -0500
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[15:03:48] <probotix> no - that was my exim/mainlog, but yes - it looked the same as the one from yesterday
[15:04:13] <probotix> the ack i was talking about is an actual email that SF will send you letting you know they received your email
[15:05:00] <probotix> the subject is "Emc-developers post acknowledgement"
[15:06:23] <probotix> you have to turn that on in your SF settings
[15:07:39] <cradek> your FCrDNS still fails today. I suspect that's the most important thing you should fix: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forward_Confirmed_reverse_DNS
[15:08:01] <cradek> specifically for
[15:08:57] <cradek> I am surprised you don't have more problems, with that being wrong
[15:09:20] <cradek> it's a very important spam indicator
[15:11:30] <cradek> if you don't have adequate control over your dns, you might want to send through your isp's smtp relay (aka "smart host")
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[15:36:45] <probotix> just got off the phone with thre bozos at lunarpages - we'll see what happens
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[15:37:19] <probotix> i went with managed servers because i didn't want to be a linux administrator any longer
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[15:39:39] <cradek> you picks your poison...
[15:40:11] <PetefromTn> Just got another email from the folks at Dolphin Cad Cam.. Still cannot tell if that is 3d or 2.5D software cam and whether it is worth a damn or not.
[15:40:50] <probotix> back when i was a linux admin for an ISP, we used to be able to just call the other ISP and watch the log files in real time
[15:40:51] <cradek> huh, I just got their spam too
[15:41:41] <cradek> if they're spamming about it, probably no, not worth a damn.
[15:42:04] <PetefromTn> LOL yeah probably right...
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[15:42:27] <cradek> wonder if they sell toner cartridges too
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[15:42:33] <PetefromTn> Sure would be nice to be able to buy an integrated cad cam for $900.00 or less tho. That is as long as it is 3d
[15:43:14] <PetefromTn> I freakin' HATE toner.... I once repaired computers and copiers in another life and it SUCKED!!
[15:44:21] <CaptHindsight> if you can't clearly explain what your product offers what are you try to hide?
[15:44:40] <jdh> 2, 2.5, and 3 Axis Machining W/Rotary for A & B Axis
[15:47:19] <PetefromTn> yeah I saw the fourth axis info but if you look at the website it is not clear to me that it supports continuous simultaneous 3d movement.
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[15:48:17] <PetefromTn> Tapered wall machining sounds like 3d tho...
[15:49:02] <CaptHindsight> I under stand the need for GPL CAD/CAM but there are already a few poor closed packages for <$1k
[15:50:01] <PetefromTn> what's GPL? and such as?
[15:50:28] <CaptHindsight> http://www.gnu.org/copyleft/gpl.html
[15:51:17] <ReadError> probotix
[15:51:30] <ReadError> you need to update dns for IP more than likely
[15:51:33] <PetefromTn> aah interesting.
[15:51:48] <ReadError> # host
[15:51:48] <ReadError> domain name pointer vps.lunarpages.com.
[15:51:56] <cradek> he knows he knows :-)
[15:52:12] <PetefromTn> isn't he in Oz or something?
[15:52:35] <jdh> also odd that so many things reverse to vps.lunarpages.com but there is no forward for it.
[15:53:01] <ReadError> they probably just that as a standard PTR entry
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[15:56:02] <PetefromTn> Gotta make me a sammich... cad drawing makes me hungry LOL
[15:56:39] <jdh> aren't you married?
[15:56:49] <ReadError> sudo make me a sandwich
[15:58:24] <PetefromTn> yup but she is a nurse and at work right now so I gotta fend for myself.
[15:58:36] <PetefromTn> wish sudo could make me a sammich LOL
[15:58:46] <probotix> they were gonna charge me $35 per ip address to change it to vps.probotix.com until I told them they should have set it up properly in the first place and I'd be finding a new ISP
[15:58:58] <jdh> sounds like she didn't plan well. Perhaps you should have a talk with her later.
[15:59:42] <PetefromTn> I'm thinking Sopressatta and some provologne on white with some slices of water Mozzarella lightly sprinkled with salt LOL.
[15:59:44] <CaptHindsight> PetefromTn: is 4-5 axis CAM what you really need and not the CAD?
[16:00:35] <PetefromTn> CaptHindsight: Actually I don't even have a fourth yet but sure would be nice LOL... I actually was hoping for a good cad too tho I am using that freecad for 3d work now and it is nice but has aways to go before it is really working well.
[16:02:26] <PetefromTn> Really just wanted something reasonable that has full 3d toolpathing and maybe fourth axis for down the road but integrated would be real nice. Only thing that comes close is Bobcad Cam for anywhere within a reasonable price range to me.
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[16:03:35] <ReadError> PetefromTn visualmill?
[16:03:43] <Jymmm> JT_Shop: HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA http://dx.com/p/water-resistant-windproof-motorcycle-riding-cotton-leg-warmer-quilt-black-185199
[16:04:15] <Jymmm> look at the pics
[16:05:12] <archivist> might keep the rain off ones nuts
[16:05:23] <cradek> right up 'til the accident
[16:05:37] <Jymmm> cradek: lol, yep
[16:05:40] <CaptHindsight> they ride those kinds of monkey bikes in cold areas of China
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[16:06:38] <CaptHindsight> it might be meant for the 3 passengers that you typically carry :)
[16:06:45] <PetefromTn> ReadError: Yeah I have heard good things about visualmill but not sure of its limitations..
[16:06:50] <jdh> with the lifestock on back?
[16:07:33] <PetefromTn> Yeah Honestly they make some of those monkey bikes pretty damn custom and fast LOL....
[16:08:00] <Jymmm> PetefromTn: "monkey bikes"????
[16:08:01] <CaptHindsight> it's not uncommon to see entire families on one bike
[16:09:19] <PetefromTn> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rI4Hq-C0wyE
[16:09:26] <PetefromTn> Jymmm: yup!
[16:10:29] <PetefromTn> There's actually a shop near me that sells the chinese copies of the original Honda's and there are a group of them who ride all around here and up on the Tail of the dragon behind my house LOL...
[16:10:46] <CaptHindsight> looks more morphed pocket bike
[16:13:14] <CaptHindsight> http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2009/04/29/article-1174908-04B9E1E9000005DC-217_634x362.jpg not uncommon to see this
[16:14:06] <PetefromTn> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P1w75-pBRwQ
[16:14:34] <PetefromTn> Looks like too much fun LOL.
[16:17:44] <CaptHindsight> http://bestmomstv.com/files/2013/06/Family-of-5-on-a-scooter.jpg heh, only the driver is wearing a helmet, probably so he can start another family if this one crashes
[16:18:12] <PetefromTn> hey man hemmets is expensive LOL
[16:18:32] <Jymmm> LOL, cool... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jtBoeiNMAW4
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[16:24:59] <CaptHindsight> Jymmm: that is exactly what it is like there
[16:29:16] <Jymmm> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EdeojE5dLlM
[16:29:36] <CaptHindsight> the traffic in Nanjing in that video isn't as bad as the bigger cities
[16:34:48] <Jymmm> You could NEVER open a brake shop in India.... NOBODY USES THEM!!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_B7J7yjBq8Y
[16:38:16] <Jymmm> Talk about grid lock http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8NZVSiAy6c4
[16:43:02] <PetefromTn> Jeez man is it me or does EVERY SINGLE video on Youtube nowadays pop up with a damn commercial?
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[16:44:23] <kengu> i see the same thing when using browsers without adblock
[16:45:03] <PetefromTn> Oh yeah, got any pointers, I'm on Mozilla right now.
[16:45:43] <Jymmm> Eeeesh, like ants http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eGYIEvEe7Ks
[16:45:54] <CaptHindsight> run adblock
[16:45:56] <PetefromTn> Oh and your name reminds me of one of the most ANNOYING kids Cartoons my youngest Daughter used to watch. I think it was called Pengu...
[16:46:34] <PetefromTn> Can you say Population explosion?
[16:47:05] <CaptHindsight> japans population is actually shrinking
[16:47:33] <CaptHindsight> Shibuya is just busy, similar to times square
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[16:49:07] <CaptHindsight> India by far has the busiest streets and pedestrian traffic
[16:51:07] <PetefromTn> Even over China?
[16:51:21] <CaptHindsight> yeah
[16:51:24] <Jymmm> Vietnam http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kBUg4Nclky0
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[16:51:42] <PetefromTn> Love one of the comments in that Ants video....Where's waldo??!!
[16:52:09] <Jymmm> note the street cabling
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[16:56:15] <PetefromTn> I need to Whittle me up one of these babies..... http://www.frontierarms.com.au/products/rifles/Walther-LG400-Alutec-Expert-3-900.jpg
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[16:57:15] <ReadError> that looks like a serious air rifle
[16:57:22] <Jymmm> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tB8D2QZ9lA4
[16:58:37] <PetefromTn> Yup pretty damn serious. I shoot Competitive Field Target competitons and that is one of the rifles they use only a high power version. They are also using the same by Steyr and Feinwerkbau.. NICE STUFF!!
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[16:59:39] <PetefromTn> LOL saw that spooky helicopter on TV yesterday. Pretty cool./
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[17:02:28] <PetefromTn> Just had a customer drop off a fuel tank from a Honda Shadow bike. Apparently it got a large baseball sized dent in it and he let one of his friends try to fix it. It looks like fido's ass right now. I am gonna TRY to cut out the mess and tig weld in some new steel here for him.
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[17:34:56] <JesusAlos-> hi
[17:36:42] <JesusAlos-> why machine go low speed when run interpolation?
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[17:53:41] <IchGuckLive> hi all B)
[17:54:06] <kengu> hello
[17:54:19] <PetefromTn> hey Ich..
[17:54:30] <IchGuckLive> ;-)
[17:56:28] <IchGuckLive> ara all UK linuxcnc folks still on power 200,000 still without
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[18:01:28] <IchGuckLive> hi jes
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[18:02:10] <IchGuckLive> JesusAlos-: how is the weather down in spain
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[19:21:36] <Jymmm> Ah, So THIS is how you rifle a barrel... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=geaEf4LoZV4
[19:23:06] <Jymmm> Um... Area of a circle == Circumference of a circle ???
[19:25:34] <IchGuckLive> O.O
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[19:43:00] <Jymmm> Well, I guess he wasn't too far off after all... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ou8nNBn5Cbs
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[19:45:58] <Jymmm> Rifling Machine http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L_yemjfgkE0
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[20:00:03] <PetefromTn> That's pretty cool but I gotta say that excellent barrels are available nowadays for so cheap it is not worth the trouble anymore unless you just want one.
[20:00:24] <jdh> being able to make one well woudl be cool in itself.
[20:01:33] <PetefromTn> yeah agreed. You can button rifle easier too with a homebuilt draw bench I understand. Again never tried it due to the great barrels available.
[20:03:29] <jdh> they might not be available when you need one.
[20:03:53] <jdh> after the impending Obama^Wzombie apocalypse.
[20:04:58] <Jymmm> PetefromTn: Not that cheap http://www.riflebarrels.com/products/centerfire_lilja_rifle_barrels.htm
[20:07:00] <PetefromTn> Cheap is relative...
[20:08:11] <PetefromTn> I recently bought a sweet barrel for my continuing Precision Airgun Field Target rifle I am working on from Weirauch in Germany and it was just over $100.00... It is far and away one of the finest airgun barrels available anywhere.
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[20:12:01] <andypugh> I can't help feeling that G33 would be a lot easier than all that messing about with woodedn dowels.
[20:12:33] <andypugh> (It kind of scares me that anyone would try making a gun without even owning a bench vice)
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[20:41:33] <JT_Shop> didn't gun makers make guns without a bench vise for a long time?
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[20:54:48] <jmasseo> what would they use? a post vise?
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[21:49:02] <JT_Shop> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fire_lance
[21:52:04] <t12> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thermal_lance
[21:54:55] <_DJ_> gn8
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[22:08:14] <probotix> i managed to squeeze in one more email to the developers list, but then no more - and still nothing to the users list - grrrrrrrr
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[22:15:54] <skunkworks_> probotix: I got one on the devel and user list from you
[22:16:07] <skunkworks_> test again and test
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[22:20:37] <probotix> i'm gonna have to start putting serial numbers on the tests - lol
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[22:29:52] <cradek> vps.lunarpages.com still doesn't have an A record (or my cache is old)
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[22:39:07] <Jymmm> cradek: Nope, no A RR
[22:40:17] <Jymmm> cradek: http://codepad.org/459aO1jj
[22:40:30] <Jymmm> cradek: Havent' updated since the 18th
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[22:47:26] <PetefromTn> evening folks...
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[22:52:35] <probotix> its taking a while for cache to update
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[23:01:04] <probotix> vps.lunarpages.com should be going away for the rDNS - the new one should be vps.probotix.com
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[23:06:40] <archivist> I have seen your email to the user list
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[23:08:31] <andypugh> Well, that's frustrating,
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[23:09:33] <andypugh> I spent the evening making a backplate for the 3-ja chuck to mount on the Rivett. And when I got it mounted, I found that the chuck does not hold work true.
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[23:10:57] <JT_Shop> that sucks, the jaws are off?
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[23:13:34] <PetefromTn> That does suck, too bad it's not a set true model.
[23:16:00] <archivist> andypugh, toolpost grinder :)
[23:16:38] <andypugh> The position and extent of max eccentricity depends on the diameter being gripped. I reckon the scroll is worn.
[23:16:45] <archivist> but before you do that check for damage
[23:17:34] <archivist> sounds like it, at least you have the technology to remake the scroll
[23:18:18] <andypugh> I also have eBay, which is likely to be more efficient.
[23:18:28] <archivist> cheat :)
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[23:20:00] <PetefromTn> Too bad but three jaw scrollers are often shitty even the better ones. Consistency at varying diameters is hard.
[23:20:44] <PetefromTn> Here's a decent deal.... http://knoxville.craigslist.org/for/4157567680.html
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[23:30:12] <andypugh> This is the first time I have had a self-centering chuck which was as bad as folk always say they are. :-)
[23:31:04] <archivist> my southbend chucks are not the best
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[23:31:36] <andypugh> I quite like the taylor conical scroll chucks
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[23:34:10] <andypugh> http://www.lathes.co.uk/taylor/page6.html
[23:35:22] <archivist> always seem too far from the spindle support bearing in my eyes
[23:35:53] <PetefromTn> never seen those, out of Production apparently, any good?
[23:36:14] <archivist> were often used on older lathes
[23:36:33] <andypugh> Allegedly, though Archivist has a point, and they were rather heavy.
[23:36:56] <andypugh> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Taylor-3-Jaw-Chuck-4-1-2-dia-with-Chuck-Key-but-LESS-BACKPLATE-/171158857327
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[23:38:23] <PetefromTn> I need to fab me up a 5c collet closer for my lathe. It would come in REAL handy.
[23:38:56] <JT_Shop> they are pretty cheap PetefromTn
[23:39:18] <andypugh> I have been trying to figure out the mechanism. (I think I have)
[23:39:30] <PetefromTn> Yeah but I have a cheap asian 12x36...
[23:40:09] <PetefromTn> I did get a GREAT deal on a nice almost brand new Stainless Gas grill off Craigslist today tho!!
[23:41:09] <PetefromTn> We just finished grillin' some brontosaurus burgers on that thing and compared to the old POS we used to have it sure was nice to use the new one. Now I just gotta haul off that piece of crap we used to use.
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[23:42:56] <PetefromTn> andypugh: How can you make a scroll like you were saying, using your Horiz?
[23:43:42] <andypugh> Well, I wasn't the one saying I could do it, but it sounds like a job for a face-grooving cutter and G33.
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[23:44:24] <andypugh> Actually, there is not a lot to be lost by having a go at re-machining the existing scroll.
[23:44:57] <archivist> that loses strength
[23:45:20] <archivist> I would do it on the rotary
[23:46:11] <andypugh> How does that lose less strength?
[23:46:44] <archivist> thinner scroll "teeth"
[23:47:09] <andypugh> The chunky bevel gear on the back, and the heat-treatment is a bit of a barrier to making a new one.
[23:47:29] <archivist> we called that take out the wear in clock repair
[23:47:52] <andypugh> Yes, I know that re-machining loses strength. My question was how doing it on the rotary is better?
[23:48:16] <andypugh> (It's a foible of mine, of a job _can_ be done on a lathe, then I tend to)
[23:49:51] <PetefromTn> It's too bad you can't just cut the scroll and not have to do anything to the jaws but I imagine the clearances would open up leaving a bunch more slop.
[23:49:59] <archivist> think spiral.ngc but actually it may just be a g1 x0 a(25*360)
[23:50:35] <archivist> or whatever the number or rotations are needed
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