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[00:03:51] <AR_> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGZYJyJ4qUc&noredirect=1
[00:03:51] <AR_> lol
[00:03:54] <AR_> i love these vids
[00:08:08] <kwallace> Another option is a lathe _on_ a mill:
http://www.tenlinks.com/news/PR/tormach/gfx/071408_duality_lathe1.jpg
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[00:10:26] <tandoori> kwallace: who has enough money for something like that?
[00:10:45] <tandoori> looks like it would cost at least 23k USD
[00:11:11] <tandoori> i'll stick with a desktop-something
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[00:14:33] <kwallace> It's a manual lathe on a mill with a bracket that fits on the quill. That way you have a CNC lathe,sort of. Hacking a similar setup should be doable.
[00:15:09] <kwallace> Oops, the bracket holds the lathe tools.
[00:22:02] <tandoori> hmm
[00:22:11] <kwallace> tandoori: I bet a KickStarter project could fund a new mill.
[00:22:30] <kwallace> The setup in the picture is about $13k, but all the fun stuff has be done. You pretty much get to just use it.
[00:22:58] <kwallace> be/been
[00:23:37] <andypugh> tandoori: The mill is $7k, the lathe is another $1395
[00:23:57] <AR_> no fun just buying one
[00:24:21] <kwallace> + the stand, computer and stuff I forgot.
[00:24:37] <andypugh> The Tormach slant-bed is geting close to release, I reckon, too.
[00:26:09] <tandoori> huh
[00:26:14] <tandoori> just a moment, please
[00:27:26] <kwallace> dinner time for me.
[00:27:28] <AR_> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y1IDHIcyHLY&noredirect=1
[00:27:34] <AR_> i wish some people were dead
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[00:29:02] <andypugh> EH?
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[01:14:12] <tjb1> Wow that's col AR_
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[03:24:56] <JACK1> 中国的IRC好冷清啊
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[08:42:30] <_DJ_> moin
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[09:56:44] <MacGalempsy> morning\
[09:56:55] <_DJ_> good morning, MacGalempsy
[09:57:54] <MacGalempsy> DJ- its not so good. I feel like an idiot because the 5i25 wont show up in Pncconf...
[10:20:58] <MacGalempsy> finall got that figured out....its going to be a long day
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[10:47:32] <archivist> conundrum who made
http://www.collection.archivist.info/archive/DJCPD/PD/2012/2012_06_16_vertical_head/
[10:48:00] <archivist> I am browsing google images at the moment
[10:59:56] <MacGalempsy> super slow download
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[11:21:57] <archivist> possible leitz
http://i981.photobucket.com/albums/ae293/Masimec/100_1283.jpg
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[11:25:27] <MacGalempsy> that one looks pretty close, same color too
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[11:36:46] <archivist> later of it is identified as an add on 90 degree head for the vertical head on a Fexac
http://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net/threads/44954-An-Unusual-Horizontal-Milling-Machine-VERY-LONG-Post/page3
[11:36:53] <archivist> lanter on
[11:38:14] <archivist> now it is obvious why the iso 40 part is shorter than if it went onto a standard horizontal mill
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[11:40:14] <MacGalempsy> a few steps closer to get this cnc machine up and running. As soon as the din rail comes in, it will be time to start connecting the boards
[11:42:28] <archivist> found another version of the head
http://www.o-t-d.se/forum/fexac2.jpg
[11:48:41] <archivist> only taken about 5-6 years to identify :)
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[17:54:08] <IchGuckLive> hi all B)
[17:54:41] <IchGuckLive> Germany (europa) has changed Summer/winter time tonight
[17:55:07] <IchGuckLive> and we expect the first major winterstorm to com this night
[17:55:20] <IchGuckLive> All U
[17:55:30] <andypugh> Indeed, it is suddenly dark in the evening.
[17:56:00] <IchGuckLive> all UK Stand for the big storm its getting realy bad
[17:56:23] <IchGuckLive> Forestgoverment calls for 200+ chainsaw liceners
[17:56:37] <archivist> this much panic means minor breeze on the way
[17:56:46] <IchGuckLive> all trains are suspended from midnight till 9am
[17:57:22] <IchGuckLive> and i harvested corn yesterday till midnight 16tractors 3 harvesters
[17:57:41] <IchGuckLive> the hell of action on the powerplant
[17:57:57] <archivist> you can only drive one at a time, somebody else did the rest
[17:58:36] <IchGuckLive> about 30gils cheeding every truckload O.O
[17:58:47] <IchGuckLive> girls ;-)
[17:59:14] <IchGuckLive> lots of childron for a ride
[18:00:06] <andypugh> I wonder if I should plan on cycling to work tomorrow?
[18:00:28] <IchGuckLive> with that mutch backwind it will take short time
[18:00:52] <DrNoboto> i would
[18:00:52] <DrNoboto> i cycle to work and back every day
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[18:01:04] <archivist> andypugh, I remember driving down to Essex in 87 after :)
[18:01:48] <andypugh> It was about the same time of year wasn't it? I remember doing the Brighton run and there being trees down all over the place.
[18:02:37] <kwallace> It was a little chilly when I rolled out of bed to sit at my work desk.
[18:02:52] <IchGuckLive> andypugh: are you in the SW sE UK
[18:02:58] <andypugh> SE
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[18:03:05] <archivist> andypugh, yes oct ish 87 iirc, by the way I dont remember seeing any backlash control of note in hobbing machines, as its a unidirectional cut,
[18:03:17] <IchGuckLive> maybe we see Kay Burly fighting the storm
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[18:04:12] <andypugh> archivist: I should try cutting a sample gear to see what sort of quality I get.
[18:04:40] <IchGuckLive> andypugh: Ratio
[18:04:47] <archivist> andy nice high number 200-360 ish
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[18:06:01] <archivist> I did a 180 at work which showed the problems, we had to use a better divider to get a gear out
[18:06:56] <IchGuckLive> 180 is hard its for a ABC i gess
[18:07:15] <archivist> our masters had been made on a 44:1 worm , nowhere near good enough, the old boley mill had a much better 72:1
[18:07:19] <IchGuckLive> i only use 90 for them its common on ebay for 60EUR
[18:08:07] <IchGuckLive> worm is cheep in europ
http://maedler.de/product/1643/1619/705/standard-schnecken-und-schneckenraeder-eingaengig-rechts
[18:08:49] <archivist> cheap does not mean good enough
[18:09:02] <andypugh> We had a lucky escape with the Fire Engine. There were reports from the students that the trembler-coil timing kept slippping. (That's the secondary ignition system for starting). We eventually found that the skew-gear that drives it had sheared its pin, and also dropped almost out of mesh. Both ends of the pin were still in place, and the gear was tight on the shaft when cold. That shaft also drives the oil pump...
[18:09:23] <IchGuckLive> archivist precise ones
[18:10:15] <archivist> nasty, I had the weights jam the distributor in my hilman minx, new camshaft, distributor gear ....
[18:10:34] <IchGuckLive> we use greece for the worm as it fits all the spaces as it gets hot
[18:11:30] <archivist> IchGuckLive, that company does not have accuracy specifications on the page, hardly precise
[18:11:53] <IchGuckLive> i order Memory DDr nonECC from UK n thusday and it arrived suturday nice
[18:12:32] <_DJ_> what is "thusday" und what is "suturday"? ;)
[18:13:55] <IchGuckLive> Thursday Saturday O.O
[18:14:04] <_DJ_> ah!
[18:14:19] <IchGuckLive> i have nio english correction on ubuntu it is blockt for some reason on OOO
[18:14:50] <_DJ_> apt-get install brain ;)
[18:15:03] <IchGuckLive> archivist
http://maedler.de/product/1643/1619/705/praezisions-schneckenradsaetze-rechtsgaengig THIs are the Best qualities
[18:17:04] <archivist> IchGuckLive, been to those pages, I repeat no accuracy information I can see, only efficiency, they are drive parts, not for dividing
[18:18:32] <archivist> they quote the shaft distances to an accuracy yes, not the angular accuracy
[18:19:11] <IchGuckLive> archivist: are you lookilg on backlash ?
[18:19:25] <archivist> no
[18:19:44] <IchGuckLive> page 280 gives some data
[18:20:47] <IchGuckLive> http://smarthost.maedler.de/datenblaetter/praezischnecken_EN.pdf
[18:22:42] <tjb1> hello IchGuckLive, get your plasma cutter figured out?
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[18:23:19] <IchGuckLive> tthere are now 3running and 3 on build
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[18:24:00] <IchGuckLive> tjb1: works perfect hypertherm and low cost s-plasma
[18:24:17] <tjb1> Very nice
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[18:24:53] <IchGuckLive> generating more money for the shop , as nomal lona milling
[18:25:26] <tjb1> I haven't used mine in months :(
[18:26:05] <IchGuckLive> go get contructors on your locals to generate money
[18:26:12] <IchGuckLive> sheet after sheet
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[18:26:46] <IchGuckLive> US people love special BBQ grills
[18:26:58] <IchGuckLive> special Door signes
[18:27:13] <IchGuckLive> what ever a sheet can bee
[18:27:44] <IchGuckLive> archivist you got the info
[18:28:18] <tjb1> I moved so I only see the table on weekends anymore and I usually have a full plate by the time the weekend comes
[18:28:28] <archivist> IchGuckLive, yes, no angular accuracy stated
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[18:29:02] <archivist> where vertex does have a terrible site but does have an accuracy
http://www.vertex-tw.com.tw/products/products_list.php?language=_eng&cid=686
[18:29:10] <IchGuckLive> archivist agree i see only linar too
[18:29:11] <archivist> 45"
[18:30:35] <archivist> if you ever make high count gears you soon realise the quality of the dividing really matters
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[19:02:23] <archivist> if I calculated it right the vertex HV4 at 45" accuracy is one part in 28800 of a revolution
[19:06:31] <andypugh> That's the direct-indexing accuracy though. Which is a little bit confusing as I don't see any sign of direct indexing...
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[19:07:47] <archivist> the plates are an extra I think
[19:08:31] <andypugh> That reminds me. I have a set of Vertex division plates and no use for them. From the BS0 that I CNC-converted.
[19:08:53] <andypugh> I probably should see if anyone on that eBay wants them.
[19:09:03] <archivist> I have plates from the 6 size shoba rippoff
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[19:09:38] <archivist> free listing today but I would have to spend the rest of the week finding them
[19:10:36] <archivist> I have been pleasantly surprised by the HV4 accuracy so far
[19:11:55] <andypugh> I think mine isn't actually a Vertex, it's whatever Axminster use as their source.
[19:12:53] <archivist> the shoba is less good, not made a gear on that as it just carries the vertex
[19:13:37] <andypugh> The BS0 design looks to originate with Ames:
http://www.lathes.co.uk/amesmiller/index.html
[19:13:53] <andypugh> And I suspect that if you could find one of those it would be better.
[19:14:32] <archivist> I spent hours on that site the last two days!
[19:14:53] <andypugh> I have read all the Lathe sections, and have just started on the millers ;-)
[19:15:09] <archivist> and did not find what I was looking for :)
[19:15:19] <andypugh> What were you looking for?
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[19:17:04] <archivist> trying to identify this
http://www.collection.archivist.info/archive/DJCPD/PD/2012/2012_06_16_vertical_head/ but found it on a fexac (spanish)
[19:18:50] <andypugh> Odd lack of dogs on the input side.
[19:20:10] <archivist> there are two cap head screws I took off while playing
[19:21:20] <andypugh> It looks like a nice piece of equipment.
[19:21:58] <andypugh> Any reason to think that it isn't from the mill it was found on?
[19:22:09] <archivist> you can see one in place here
http://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net/threads/44954-An-Unusual-Horizontal-Milling-Machine-VERY-LONG-Post/page3
[19:22:41] <archivist> I got it loose on fleabay sans mill
[19:23:38] <archivist> similar to a leitz right angle head
[19:24:29] <andypugh> Oh, I see. it isn't actually a vertical head for a horizontal mill then? I guess it would be uselessly short for that application, thinking about it.
[19:25:17] <archivist> one day may fit it to the Adcock and Shipley with an extension tube and adapter etc
[19:26:32] <archivist> I couldnt see why it had the iso 40 input till I saw it on that mill
[19:26:44] <archivist> ah bingo
[19:28:22] <andypugh> The vertical head on my Harrison is 30INT on both sides.
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[19:33:09] <andypugh> Ooh! Extremely badly listed thing:
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/societe-genevoise-turntable-/281196349288?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item41789bc768
[19:35:03] <archivist> snap it up, wonder what the reserve is
[19:35:18] <andypugh> I just pointed a friend (in Dudley) at it.
[19:35:47] <andypugh> It's actually much too big for me.
[19:35:58] <Jymmmm> ml, heh
[19:36:17] <andypugh> Yeah, I need a half-pint turntable ;-)
[19:36:55] <Jymmmm> When your flashlight needs it's own suitcase...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DOfzh_l7lk4
[19:37:04] <archivist> andypugh, 310303408622
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[19:39:32] <archivist> that other item has been in my watch list for a year probably
[19:39:46] <archivist> time he dropped the price
[19:41:02] <Jymmmm> make offer?
[19:42:48] <archivist> I have something similar which I never use, the dti type is more useful
[19:42:59] <Jymmmm> ah
[19:43:07] <Jymmmm> what is it?
[19:43:13] <Jymmmm> inthe aution that is
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[19:45:24] <t12> flashlight ricing is a thing
[19:45:42] <archivist> these I find more useful for centering 260965193443
[19:46:26] <t12> http://www.candlepowerforums.com/vb/forum.php
[19:46:54] <andypugh> archivist: A webcam in a spindle tool is probably much cheaper and easier to use
[19:47:37] <Tom_itx> archivist those are nice
[19:47:43] <archivist> I do use a dti type, webcam is a pain due to focal problems
[19:48:55] <archivist> this is the one I actually have
http://www.diatest.co.uk/index.php?id=39
[19:50:10] <Tom_itx> that's a bit different
[19:51:16] <archivist> same principle
[19:51:44] <andypugh> Just subtly different mechanically.
[19:52:04] <archivist> I did try webcam
http://www.archivist.info/cnc/target.php
[19:55:21] <andypugh> I guess depth-of-field is always likely to be a problem.
[19:57:37] <archivist> resolution was too low, and its difficult to know the axis of the optics with cheap stuff like that
[19:58:16] <andypugh> If it is in the spindle, then you just need to wobble the spindle a bit and see which pixel doesn't move.
[19:59:45] <archivist> it has to rotate but one needs the hole outer diameter normally, dti wins as it is designed for the spinning
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[21:00:55] <andypugh> Is there a pre-defined sub-gui for Touchy to use it in simulator mode (basically replicating the hardware controls that it expects to see)
[21:03:40] <cradek> no
[21:03:55] <cradek> I've used halcmd setp for that
[21:04:14] <andypugh> OK, just schecking
[21:04:25] <cradek> if someone would make that, users would foolishly use it to control real machinery
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[21:05:03] <andypugh> Thus reducing, eventually, the concentration of foolishness in the world.
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[21:05:21] <cradek> andypugh: only if they haven't bred yet
[21:05:34] <alex_joni> andypugh: that's unrealistic
[21:05:58] <andypugh> I was hoping to see if the jog-while-paused branch works with the touchy quill-up pin
[21:06:16] <cradek> just poke it with setp
[21:06:31] <cradek> that would be nice if it worked
[21:06:51] <JesusAlos> hi
[21:06:52] <cradek> iirc, it just issues a jog
[21:08:01] <andypugh> Unfortunately, for reasons that I haven't figured out, my VM version started failing to start (the s.axes symptom)
[21:11:35] <JesusAlos> When I change "Base period maximum jitter" value in stepconf wizard, don't change "BASE_PERIOD" value in .ini file
[21:12:32] <alex_joni> JesusAlos: it only changes if the jitter goes over a certain treshold
[21:16:42] <JesusAlos> I try increase in Stepconf value but don't don't change in .ini file automatic
[21:23:38] <JesusAlos> Where can found the formula linuxcnc use to generate the "Scale" value from stepconf?
[21:25:21] <andypugh> JesusAlos: It is the step-pulses-per-unit-distance calculation. My feeling is that Stepconf actually tries to be too helpful.
[21:25:56] <andypugh> I tend to work out the step-per-mm number my own way and use "1" in all the boxes except one.
[21:28:46] <JesusAlos> I have a problem in machine.
[21:29:35] <JesusAlos> think that is because the scale value add error until the machine work by several hours
[21:30:02] <_DJ_> gn8
[21:30:38] <JesusAlos> I usually obtain the scale value mesuring the distance with meter
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[21:30:57] <JesusAlos> but think this is not good idea
[21:31:31] <andypugh> You can check the number. But if it is a cumulative error, then I think it is likely to be electrical noise (phantom steps) or lost steps.
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[21:31:45] <andypugh> The number ought to make sense.
[21:32:18] <andypugh> But even if the number is comletely wrong, the axis should still return reliably to zero
[21:33:48] <JesusAlos> undestand
[21:34:20] <JesusAlos> but if the problem is scale value, How I must obtain the scale value? calculating way?
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[21:48:12] <JesusAlos> gn
[21:48:19] <JesusAlos> thank
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[22:22:32] <MacGalempsy> evening
[22:23:41] <andypugh> Hi
[22:24:57] <MacGalempsy> how are things going for you today andy?
[22:26:03] <MacGalempsy> the last thing to figure out on the hard wiring is to connect to the digital drive and see if the settings can be reviewed from the inside
[22:26:30] <MacGalempsy> then this week is power on and connect the boards.
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[22:32:04] <andypugh> I have had a fairly ineffective day today, but I did manage to find a potentially nasy problem with our 1916 fire engine yesterday, so not a wasted weekend (The oil pump drive gear was loose on the shaft, but only when hot)
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[22:39:35] <MacGalempsy> that is quite an old fire engine. any pics?
[22:40:46] <andypugh> There is a whole web site:
https://union.ic.ac.uk/rcc/rcsmotor/
[22:42:35] <MacGalempsy> what a beauty.
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[22:50:54] <andypugh> Indeed. It's about 30 years since I started working on it, and I am not bored of it yet.
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[23:14:33] <Valen> shiny brass
[23:14:48] <Valen> we need more brass in the world
[23:15:03] <Valen> where do you get tyres for it?
[23:16:58] <andypugh> Tyres are a problem.
[23:17:30] <andypugh> We don't know where the next set will come from, as the company that made the current set (about 10 years ago) no longer have the capability.
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[23:47:33] <MacGalempsy> maybe you can set up a linuxcnc machine to make those tires
[23:48:05] <andypugh> Not altogether unlikely that we may end up doing that
[23:49:26] <MacGalempsy> maybe it would be easier to make duplicate looking rims with a more common tire size
[23:57:21] <andypugh> They are solid.
[23:58:16] <andypugh> It's part of what makes the vehicle interesting, one of the very few vehicles still trundling around on solid rubber tyres.
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