#linuxcnc | Logs for 2013-09-24

[00:01:07] <andypugh> eeek!
[00:01:31] <JT-Shop> the only thing I leave on is the IRC
[00:01:40] <andypugh> Can't you, like divert the food or water budget or something?
[00:01:59] <JT-Shop> I bought more but it chewed it up too fast
[00:02:08] <JT-Shop> I think the eye pad is the devil
[00:02:48] <JT-Shop> I added 2 GB and it was gone in a few days with me not doing much on the internet
[00:03:09] <JT-Shop> I've since turned off the wifi on the eye pad and eye phones
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[00:03:40] <JT-Shop> time to start dinner...
[00:03:46] <JT-Shop> speak soon
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[00:04:04] <Tom_itx> JT-Shop, did you find your leak?
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[00:21:00] <MacGalempsy> archivist_herron: mind if I inquire a little more about our conversation last night about the Bolton Tools CNC mill?
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[00:26:27] <archivist_> night! it was morning
[00:27:01] <archivist_> just ask questions though, so anyone can answer
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[00:41:41] <MacGalempsy> heh. morning, night, just depends on your location.
[00:42:03] <archivist_> UK, 1:41 am
[00:42:04] <MacGalempsy> so this bolton tool company only sales mail order, so I cannot use the tramel gauge
[00:42:17] <MacGalempsy> however, they claim to go through the entire setup process in LA before shipping
[00:42:34] <somenewguy> 2042 US
[00:43:11] <archivist_> MacGalempsy, that makes me distrusting
[00:43:25] <MacGalempsy> how so?
[00:43:48] <MacGalempsy> i live 1800 miles from their store
[00:44:00] <archivist_> there was no specification for squareness on the ebay page I saw
[00:44:40] <archivist_> they can check a bad value and claim it in specification
[00:45:53] <archivist_> surely there must be a supplier of the same iron with a differing badge who is more local
[00:46:41] <MacGalempsy> it would be good to check out. maybe I can call and ask about the squareness
[00:47:04] <MacGalempsy> the price seemed good $7k US for the entire 4th axis kit
[00:49:16] <andypugh> $7k for a 4 axis kit? This is big stuff I guess?
[00:49:33] <MacGalempsy> http://www.boltonhardware.com/category/bolton-tools/metal-lathes-wood-lathes-milling-machines/cnc-lathes-cnc-milling-machines-cnc-machine-center/4-axis-cnc-milling-machine.php
[00:50:28] <andypugh> Hmm.
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[00:51:09] <andypugh> Have you looked at Tormach and Smithy?
[00:51:18] <MacGalempsy> no
[00:51:20] <MacGalempsy> link?
[00:52:01] <andypugh> http://www.tormach.com/tormach_pcnc_mills.html
[00:52:27] <andypugh> http://www.smithy.com
[00:53:28] <andypugh> I have at least heard of both of them (and both have contributed to LinuxCNC)
[00:55:40] <MacGalempsy> the tormach 770 looks like the same iron
[00:55:51] <MacGalempsy> as the bolton
[00:56:26] <andypugh> I don't think it is.
[00:59:16] <archivist_> even if it was, I would trust the tormach company to have tested it
[00:59:58] <andypugh> Tormach is flat under the spindle casting, Bolton isn't.
[01:00:04] * archivist_ finds a no name white shed on google maps for the bolton group
[01:00:47] <andypugh> Tormach have Turcite ways, Bolton don't mention that. More worryingly, Bolton are not in Bolton.
[01:01:42] <andypugh> In 5 years time I might be recommending Bolton. But I have been aware of Tormach for 5 years, and have never heard of Bolton.
[01:02:25] <archivist_> last review https://plus.google.com/113020645198969951049/about?gl=uk&hl=en#113020645198969951049/about?gl=uk&hl=en
[01:04:01] <archivist_> MacGalempsy, in the UK I know how some of the importers either admit or dont about the quality
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[01:04:34] <archivist_> one supplies a manual with a recommended rebuild before you use
[01:06:08] <andypugh> I really like the Amadeal guy, but the lathe I bought seems to have been made by a guy who has never used a lathe. Which takes some doing :-)
[01:06:49] <MacGalempsy> heh
[01:07:17] <archivist_> I helped a friend do the spindle on the arc euro one (they who wrote a manual)
[01:07:22] <andypugh> In fact, I have given up on all the new iron, and prefer to convert old stuff.
[01:07:46] <archivist_> old iron is cheaper and far better
[01:07:51] <andypugh> But then, this is a hobby, and I don't care how much time it eats.
[01:08:01] <archivist_> may just be.....bigger
[01:08:17] <andypugh> I might be doing a CNC conversion of a Rivett 608. I can't decide :-)
[01:09:43] <archivist_> Myford also used to get one of theirs and re manufacture and then charge the earth, went out of business
[01:10:45] <archivist_> MacGalempsy, dont be frightened of a retrofit, it is a good way to learn
[01:11:51] <andypugh> If I had a lot of money to burn I would quite like to collaborate with RDG in launching a range of Myford CNC lathes. I think that there might be a market for a properly solid home/hobby CNC lathe.
[01:12:22] <archivist_> yes but RDG is a an importation shed
[01:12:56] <archivist_> that now owns a good badge, will they keep the name good or drag it down
[01:13:02] <andypugh> Largely, yes, but they own the name, and are in Halifax.
[01:13:42] <andypugh> There have been very few bad machine tools made in West Yorks.
[01:13:43] <archivist_> I have seen some utter dross from them, small rotary table
[01:14:37] <andypugh> Yeah, that is why I feel that you could make a small fortune by investing a larg fortune in them.
[01:15:45] <archivist_> I have less than a fortune
[01:16:54] <archivist_> missed out on a renishaw probe almost hidden on 221284141570
[01:18:09] <MacGalempsy> I have not my main reason for wanting a a turn key is to avoid the amount of time and effort of a retrofit
[01:18:52] <MacGalempsy> I think I can go to about 10k
[01:19:24] <MacGalempsy> so I figured 7k for the machine and 3k for the rest would get me up and going
[01:20:17] <andypugh> archivist_: That was a complete CMM for £117!
[01:20:24] <archivist_> yesum
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[01:20:59] <andypugh> That's almost cheap for the surface plate
[01:21:00] <archivist_> I had £3, got paid 40 for some work, bid 41....
[01:21:26] <archivist_> and only 12miles to fetch
[01:22:20] <andypugh> MacGalempsy: It's probably worth talking to Tormach. They do have a better than average reputation in the market.
[01:22:41] <MacGalempsy> ok. the last thing I want to worry about is crappy precision
[01:24:38] <archivist_> being in another country I am not biased apart from hating to see good money going to bad suppliers for junk
[01:24:43] <andypugh> Tormach also support LinuxCNC as the controller.
[01:25:06] <archivist_> erm...mach on the mills ?
[01:26:02] <andypugh> archivist_: From the spec sheet: PC – MachOS (recommended) or Ubuntu Linux;
[01:26:25] <archivist_> ok so both available
[01:27:12] <andypugh> What I was meaning was that if you ring up with a problem and say that you are using LinuxCNC they won't insist that you switch to Mach before they will talk.
[01:29:09] <somenewguy> i get why, but I hate it when folks do that
[01:29:36] <somenewguy> esp if you are having a purely mechanical problem and they call linux thier 'get out of service free" card
[01:29:50] <andypugh> Tormach also have a fairly neat quich-change tooling system: http://www.tormach.com/store/index.php?app=ecom&ns=prodshow&ref=32284
[01:30:27] <somenewguy> mmm quiche
[01:30:34] <somenewguy> now im hungry
[01:30:42] <andypugh> Hmm, I wonder what a "quiche change tooling system" would actually do?
[01:31:40] <somenewguy> I assume it is how they correct serving errors in the food service industry
[01:32:10] <archivist_> would that be a stomach pump?
[01:33:32] <andypugh> it's got late again while I wasn't looking.
[01:33:38] <andypugh> Night all.
[01:33:39] <MacGalempsy> heh.
[01:34:08] <andypugh> (actually, 0230 is closer to early than late.
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[01:35:52] <somenewguy> hey I have a question about tightening up some split bronze nuts on my mini-mill
[01:36:10] <somenewguy> I found a how-to article and it says to snug them till the screw binds, then back off a quarter turn
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[01:36:33] <MacGalempsy> so this is my situation on the cnc. I took a semester of machine shop in high school, and I am a college grad who has reached out into other fields. I have some product ideas that would be made through plastic injection molds. my experience with CNC is with 3d printing, but being a research scientist I figured it would just take time to learn and master the process. does this sound over reaching for the machine I showed you guys?
[01:36:38] <somenewguy> I did this but it seems really loose, I feel like what felt good to me was backed off 1/16-1/8th
[01:38:44] <archivist_> somenewguy, yes back off the right amount so its is free over all the screw
[01:39:14] <somenewguy> should it wiggle? cause mine wiggled a healthy few degrees backed off the 1/4 as reccomended
[01:39:33] <somenewguy> I only just got the bed back together and have yet to re-measure the backlash, but it will be miselading since I also adjusted the gibs
[01:39:50] <somenewguy> I figured it should be backed off till it JUST starts to turn free at the ends
[01:40:10] <somenewguy> the machine is new-to-me but seems to have worked many an hour for the PO so I am adjusting it closer to the ends of travel
[01:40:17] <archivist_> MacGalempsy, for mold making also think of just subcontract to someone who has a big enough machine
[01:41:06] <somenewguy> MacGalempsy: if you have a printer, just doing scale prints is inadequet? learning a whole new technology JUST to protype things that will be injection molded seems a pretty big commitment, as my 2cents
[01:41:13] <archivist_> somenewguy, you seem to have the right idea, some of the web howtos are off a bit
[01:41:30] <somenewguy> ok cool, so I will take it all BACK apart and re-do that
[01:41:48] <somenewguy> I used to work as an engine builder, so fiddly little htings like this are well known to be a way of life
[01:41:49] <MacGalempsy> i see what you are saying.
[01:42:28] <somenewguy> that said, I am only in this channel cause I bought a mill to make parts for a project I am tryign to get off the ground as wel, soooooo take that with a grain of salt
[01:42:42] <MacGalempsy> well, it would be to make all the series of molds, then other projects and hobby stuff. I looked at the taigs but wanted to beable to play with a 5th axis kit
[01:42:50] <somenewguy> we bought a 3d printer last year and this is the logical next step, if only if only
[01:42:56] <MacGalempsy> i work from a home office and have time to play during my shift
[01:42:57] <archivist_> taigs are a bit small
[01:43:02] <somenewguy> taigs are quite small
[01:43:16] <MacGalempsy> yeah, that is why I didnt want a taig after seeing the bolton
[01:43:18] <somenewguy> I konw i will be selling this as ssoon as I find a new place to live, with enough room for a full sized bridgport
[01:43:39] <somenewguy> and then I will cry because I no longer have a CNC, but eventually will upgrade the BP
[01:43:57] <somenewguy> how big is the bolton?
[01:44:05] <MacGalempsy> the one review I saw on the bolton was for one of their lathes. the machine shop owner was overly impressed with the features and the price
[01:44:15] <archivist_> keep the cnc you can make parts for the bp
[01:44:17] <somenewguy> My buddy bought one of thosechinese/HF mills a few years back and comparingit to my taig, his is a little bigger
[01:44:33] <somenewguy> but the taig deffinatly wins in quality by a solid margin
[01:44:35] <MacGalempsy> he mentioned the accuracy was way better than what he initially exprected
[01:45:03] <somenewguy> archivist_, hard tojustify the cost of two machines
[01:45:08] <MacGalempsy> do you think the taig could handle steel?
[01:45:18] <somenewguy> It does actually pretty nicely
[01:45:34] <somenewguy> according to Taig themselves, it can do 1/8 deep w/ a 1/8th endmill in steel
[01:45:37] <archivist_> you can get good accuracy of a worn machine with a good operator
[01:45:54] <somenewguy> and after watching how hard my buddys HF mill fights with steel, I consider that an impressive feat
[01:46:26] <somenewguy> Also I crashed the cutter into the steel vice, and it actually cut a pretty big groove right down it with out jumping around too much....
[01:46:37] <somenewguy> expensive/embarressing mistake
[01:46:39] <MacGalempsy> well, i got to go hang out with the wife for a little. catch you guys in a bit
[01:46:42] <somenewguy> have fun
[01:46:51] <jdh> I was amazed at how well mine cut my vise also
[01:47:05] <somenewguy> archivist, one more question on the split nuts
[01:47:15] <archivist_> I only got up for a pee and some cheese, I should go back to bed :)
[01:47:19] <somenewguy> in the how-to video from taig, they say to adjsut the two outer tightening screws
[01:47:30] <somenewguy> the internet has a way of sucking ppl back in
[01:47:41] <somenewguy> but have the center spreader screw tight to begin with
[01:47:45] * archivist_ admits nothing
[01:47:57] <somenewguy> that seems strange to me, unless the machine is already almost in very good tune
[01:48:20] <somenewguy> I would think you want the center screw loose till you have it close, then snug it up and re-checkthe outer ones
[01:48:25] <somenewguy> any clue on what I should do there?
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[01:48:45] <somenewguy> center screw loose or tight when adjusting is the million dollar question
[01:48:50] <archivist_> I am wary of the spreader/clamp method, my hobbymat lathe had that
[01:49:37] <archivist_> I scrapped it and used parts for my mill
[01:50:21] <somenewguy> what is the alternative?
[01:50:26] <somenewguy> or are you about to say ballscrew...
[01:51:53] <archivist_> erm... I have just converted one axis from acme to ballscrew
[01:52:00] <roycroft> ballscrews are generally not necessary for eliminating backlash
[01:52:13] <somenewguy> yeah I am deff not gonna do that
[01:52:21] <roycroft> the primary advantages of ballscrews are reduced friction and increased accuracy
[01:52:41] <somenewguy> not sinking any money into the Taig sicne I know I will sell it in 2-4 years tiem and geta full size bridgeport, at which point I will spend money
[01:52:58] <somenewguy> so for now I am getting my feet wet and learning on this little guy
[01:53:08] <somenewguy> so much fun new stuff to learn!
[01:53:49] <roycroft> i still haven't finished the cnc conversion of my small mill, but i'm definitely not going to put ballscrews on it
[01:54:09] <roycroft> life got in the way of that project
[01:54:17] <roycroft> life has a tendency to do that upon occasion
[01:54:32] <somenewguy> yeah life can be a real jerk
[01:54:53] <roycroft> i have an sx3 clone
[01:55:24] <roycroft> bigger than the taig, but still fairly small
[01:57:54] <kwallace2> Don't underestimate the need for ball screws and not just any ball screws.
[01:58:36] <roycroft> what do you mean by that?
[01:59:03] <kwallace2> I spent good money on a set without preload and the backlash makes them nearly useless for CNC.
[01:59:32] <kwallace2> They are great for manual milling, just not CNC.
[01:59:41] <roycroft> ok
[02:00:04] * roycroft steps back
[02:00:36] <kwallace2> http://www.wallacecompany.com/machine_shop/bridgeport/
[02:02:16] <roycroft> i've manually operated a bridgeport with ball screws and found it extremely difficult to control
[02:02:56] <roycroft> but the context of this discussion, from what i gathered when i entered it, was eliminating backlash on a taig mill
[02:03:17] <roycroft> i was pointing out that backlash elimination is not a primary reason to install ball screws
[02:03:27] <roycroft> it can be done with acme screws
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[02:04:27] <somenewguy> ball screws give you speed too is the big thing, due to lower friction is my understanding
[02:04:53] <somenewguy> and i would say you install ball scrwes not to iliminate backlash as much as to stop it from showing up in the form of wear
[02:04:54] <roycroft> yes, but on a small mill that's not generally a major consideration
[02:04:55] <somenewguy> also linearity
[02:05:02] <somenewguy> eliminate
[02:05:08] <roycroft> and the increased accuracy of ground ball screws is wasted on a small mill
[02:05:12] <somenewguy> also yes that
[02:05:40] <somenewguy> is that your mill?
[02:05:55] <archivist_> I think there is 9 thou wear mid screw on my old horizontal mill, there is little one can do but replace to fix
[02:06:42] <kwallace2> I've tried to adjust the backlash out of my Bridgeport acme screws and they are nearly impossible to drive.
[02:07:00] <roycroft> perhaps they are well-worn
[02:07:40] <roycroft> i've worked on bridgeports with the stock acme screws that are pretty tight
[02:08:21] <roycroft> not that bridgeport is the gold standard of accurate mills by any means
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[02:09:33] <somenewguy> kwallace2: I hate you for linking that dang build
[02:09:35] <roycroft> and again, this discussion is about taigs, not bridgeports
[02:09:41] <somenewguy> I bought the Taig so I would stop drooling over real mills
[02:10:31] <somenewguy> a oiling system on ataig is stupid, right? I can just do it manually from time to time, the holes would just make it weaker, yeah?
[02:10:45] <roycroft> well i would work on backlash elimination with the stock screws on the taig, and not replace them with ball screws
[02:11:01] <somenewguy> that is what I am doing, and so far so good
[02:11:02] <roycroft> i would also not expect to hold 0.001" on a taig, no matter what kinds of screws you ahve
[02:11:11] <roycroft> nor how much scraping/fine tuning
[02:11:30] <somenewguy> I feel confident I am at <.002 at this point
[02:11:34] <somenewguy> well at least .002
[02:11:37] <roycroft> not unless you're taking extremely light cuts
[02:11:42] <archivist_> I would expect better than a thou after a tweek
[02:11:50] <roycroft> there's just not enough mass there
[02:12:02] <somenewguy> light cuts are easy w/ cnc, since time almost isn't an issue lol
[02:12:03] <archivist_> spring pass
[02:12:12] <roycroft> any kind of a hogging cut is going to cause a lot of vibration that's not dampened
[02:12:17] <somenewguy> they advertise it as having .0005 mech accuracy
[02:12:27] <roycroft> that could be
[02:12:33] <somenewguy> I am condsidering filling the vertical column witch cement
[02:12:35] <somenewguy> with cement
[02:12:40] <somenewguy> not witch cement
[02:12:52] <somenewguy> although the hex might help
[02:13:08] <roycroft> some folks add mass using epoxy mixed with aggregate
[02:13:17] <somenewguy> aside from cursing myself if I need to move it around the shop, I assume it can't hurt, right?
[02:13:23] <somenewguy> ok so I am not hte only one to have the idea
[02:13:38] <roycroft> it's something that's fairly commonly done on smallish mills
[02:13:48] <roycroft> say, those weighing less than 500kg or so
[02:13:49] <somenewguy> I had to do this on my old drill press, the vertical column was so damn thin it bowed backwards hwen you drilled steel, and the set screws deformed the pipe...
[02:14:01] <archivist_> my column was too flexible, I added angle to it to make a larger square
[02:14:14] <roycroft> the epoxy is a better vibration dampener than concrete
[02:14:31] <somenewguy> ok cool, I actually have some left over cement and high heat morter from a bbq build
[02:14:37] <somenewguy> what kind of epoxy?
[02:14:47] <kwallace2> Okay, for a Taig class machine, I'll agree with you.
[02:14:52] <somenewguy> I have never looked at something like that as a bulk item so in my mind epoxy == expesnive
[02:15:22] <roycroft> teh google will help you find further discussion of that
[02:15:32] <somenewguy> ...actually doing that now
[02:15:33] <roycroft> i haven't done so myself, and it's been some time since i read up on it
[02:15:46] <somenewguy> had to close my CL window browsing local bridgeport offerings...
[02:15:51] <roycroft> but there are several threads in the machining forums about it
[02:16:01] <kwallace2> I'm hoping I can put a desktop mill together for milling circuit boards.
[02:16:09] <somenewguy> what are good forums w/ a real active user base?
[02:16:11] <somenewguy> I am very new
[02:16:34] <kwallace2> It's just got to me dirt cheap.
[02:16:35] <somenewguy> kwallace2: that is a big part of why I bought my mendel max 3d printer in the firstpalce
[02:16:35] <roycroft> i bolted my mill down onto a stand i built that weighs about 200kg
[02:17:11] <somenewguy> my mill is on a tool cabinet meant for a giant old-school valve grinding machine, very solid plus storage space
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[02:17:34] <somenewguy> the printer looked rigid enough to be dual-purpose to hold a dremmel and do PCBs
[02:17:44] <somenewguy> but now I intend to use the taig for pcbs, among other things
[02:17:45] <roycroft> i would focus on lapping/scraping the ways on the mill and eliminating backlash before anything else
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[02:18:10] <roycroft> oh, if you're going to mill pcbs, don't bother with the dampening stuff
[02:18:18] <roycroft> those are going to be very light cuts
[02:18:19] <somenewguy> pcbs are not the major use
[02:18:24] <somenewguy> just alucky side effect
[02:18:26] <roycroft> you won't have vibration problems
[02:18:36] <roycroft> you'll need a new spindle, though
[02:18:48] <roycroft> a really really fast one
[02:18:51] <somenewguy> I will be doing tons of aluminum and some steel etc etc
[02:18:58] <somenewguy> howfast is really really fast?
[02:19:09] <somenewguy> these bearings are only good to 10k
[02:19:10] <roycroft> depends on the diameter of the cutter/drill
[02:19:19] <roycroft> but for pcbs, probably 20k-30k rpm
[02:19:27] <somenewguy> whee
[02:19:47] <somenewguy> probably just make a saddle to hold a dremmel onto the existing Zaxis
[02:19:50] <somenewguy> but not dremmel brand
[02:19:51] <roycroft> yup
[02:19:53] <somenewguy> that other brand, htey are better
[02:19:54] <roycroft> except not a dremel :)
[02:19:58] <roycroft> something real
[02:19:59] <somenewguy> traxxon?
[02:20:04] <somenewguy> proxon?
[02:20:07] <somenewguy> traxxis?
[02:20:13] <roycroft> some folks use the proxon stuff
[02:20:18] <roycroft> some use air die grinders
[02:20:32] <roycroft> and there are some custom spindles available
[02:20:49] <somenewguy> proxon, thats the one. my partner on this project bought a dremmel and a proxon, side by side the cheaper ugly proxon is way tighter on spec
[02:21:09] <roycroft> some that are driven off the main spindle motor, stepped up with gears or sheaves
[02:21:36] <roycroft> with a dremel you're going to start out with about 0.010" runout if you're lucky
[02:21:46] <roycroft> and as soon as you turn it on the runout gets worse
[02:22:11] <roycroft> there's a reason you can buy one for $30 :)
[02:22:30] <roycroft> and then buy it again and again and again
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[03:42:35] <joebog> hello all need some help
[03:43:04] <joebog> I finally got the engraving machine working and it does what its supposed to do
[03:43:27] <joebog> apart from ONE thing the picture is upside down and left to right
[03:43:36] <joebog> inverted both ways in other words
[03:43:47] <joebog> at least compared to the screen view
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[06:30:57] <JesusAlos> hi all
[06:32:11] <JesusAlos> the problem with 7i77 and 5i25 has begen
[06:32:54] <JesusAlos> http://pastebin.com/AgKYhSy0
[06:32:58] <JesusAlos> is the error
[06:33:32] <JesusAlos> seems like don't are comunication with 5i25. But don't know why
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[07:06:35] <JesusAlos> I disconnect
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[07:13:08] <archivist_> Loetmichel, fleabay 331025294024
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[08:04:56] <Loetmichel> archivist_: harhar, a bit old
[08:05:37] <archivist_> I saw it on the classiccmp mailing list where the collectors are
[08:06:13] <Loetmichel> we have similar stuff in our demo room. just a bit more modern
[08:06:16] <Loetmichel> :-)
[08:06:55] <archivist_> it looks to me that it was a physical case rather than fully RF
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[08:33:02] <Loetmichel> archivist_: our modern equivalent: http://cordsen.com/index.php/rugged/workstation/56-rugged/workstation-rugged/136-ce-7150
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[09:13:50] <archivist_> Loetmichel, not ugly enough :)
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[11:46:48] <ktchk> Hi I got 2 Galil E670 servo motor, cannot get specification on the net. Any comment to made it work with MASA board, which?
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[12:12:28] <ktchk> Hi I got 2 Galil E670 servo motor, cannot get specification on the net. Any comment to made it work with MESA board, which?
[12:13:35] <archivist_> you said that already
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[12:15:36] <Loetmichel> archivist_: but heavy enough ;-)
[12:16:48] <Loetmichel> ... re from shoving wife+ wheelchair through the mall, btw ;-)
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[12:39:40] <Loetmichel> archivist_: the frame of the TFt from the workstation is made(milled) of a 20mm thick Aluminium 7075 sheet
[12:40:21] <Loetmichel> the rest of the Casing of the workstation is made of 3mm thick aluminium sheet, welded trhroughly on all corners ;-)
[12:40:31] <archivist_> I want some of that to make new parts for the mill :)
[12:40:53] <archivist_> is that the machined sides ally?
[12:41:30] <Loetmichel> that is the "space" aluminium with nearly the strengh of steel
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[12:44:30] <archivist_> I want to get ecocast http://www.aluminiumwarehouse.co.uk/cutting_calc.php
[12:44:31] <Loetmichel> i tend to use a bit much screws on my casing designs for the company... http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=14184&g2_imageViewsIndex=1
[12:45:30] <archivist_> hmm slot antennas in the door folding
[12:46:00] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=14412 <- a "thin client" in a 24" TFT
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[12:46:10] <Loetmichel> ... 144 M3 screws...
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[12:46:35] <archivist_> I have to paint a wheel while the weather is perfect.....
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[12:46:38] <Loetmichel> the slot anennas are shielded with shome HF gaskets ;-)
[12:47:13] <Loetmichel> from the inside
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[13:16:06] <archivist_> one steel wheel rim wire brushed and painted :)
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[13:19:19] <Loetmichel> archivist_: 3 to go?
[13:19:20] <Loetmichel> ;-)
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[13:37:41] <archivist_> I have 2 with rusty rim syndrome on the car needing pumping up every two days, so getting a spare ready to swap in
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[13:38:23] <JT-Shop> I got a can of tubeless bead sealer for my leakers
[13:38:52] <ktchk> Hi I got 2 Galil E670 servo motor, cannot get specification on the net. Any comment to made it work with MESA board, which?
[13:41:07] <micges> ktchk: any pics?
[13:41:19] <ktchk> later
[13:45:48] <micges> ktchk: seems that it will be bldc motor
[13:46:02] <ktchk> No it is a DC motor
[13:46:31] <ktchk> with sensor at the end glass
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[15:12:04] <CaptHindsight> 5A, 20V square wave driver/amp
[15:12:04] <archivist_> hmm the amp in my pulse could almost handle that
[15:12:15] <archivist_> pulse generator
[15:12:20] <CaptHindsight> yeah, the HP gets close
[15:12:51] <archivist_> top left http://www.collection.archivist.info/archive/DJCPD/PD/2013/2013_08_14_Lounge_Electronics_bench/IMG_1642.JPG
[15:13:25] <pcw_home> http://www.powerampdesign.net/poweropamps.html
[15:15:24] <CaptHindsight> pcw_home: nice find, thanks
[15:18:47] <Tom_itx> archivist_, too much test equipment, no room to work :D
[15:19:31] <archivist_> :)
[15:20:01] <archivist_> Tom_itx, no work for it anyway :(
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[15:36:24] <CaptHindsight> http://www.powerampdesign.net/poweropamps/compactmodels.html in stock and <$200 ea
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[15:41:25] <JesusAlos> http://pastebin.com/xTyxFD4V
[15:41:39] <JesusAlos> is my problem with 5i25 and 7i77
[15:42:19] <pcw_home> That means the sysem did not find the 5I25 card
[15:43:20] <pcw_home> I would first try cleaning the PCI slot and 5i25 fingers with IPA
[15:43:22] <skunkworks> unplug and replug? dirty pci?
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[15:44:14] <pcw_home> That's the most common cause of sometimes there sometimes not there PCI
[15:45:07] <pcw_home> also you may see this if the PC's 3.3V is marginal (the 5i25 wont come out of reset unless the 3.3V is > 3V)
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[15:47:15] <pcw_home> I use a piece of cardstock dipped in IPA to clean the slot
[15:47:16] <pcw_home> (make sure the IPA is evaporated/dissipated before
[15:47:18] <pcw_home> cycling the power unless you like flaming PC's)
[15:47:28] <JesusAlos> pcw_home: whais is IPA?
[15:47:59] <Loetmichel> pcw_home: hrhr
[15:48:09] <Loetmichel> IPA ignioting oin a PCI-slot?
[15:48:14] <pcw_home> Isopropyl Alcohol
[15:48:20] <JesusAlos> ok
[15:48:22] <Loetmichel> i think THAT is an urban legend
[15:48:40] <JesusAlos> I already do it this morning (in Europe)
[15:48:44] <Loetmichel> i use it to clean brushed motors RUNNING...
[15:48:45] <pcw_home> the vapors are fairly flammable
[15:48:52] <JesusAlos> for the moment run ok
[15:48:55] <Loetmichel> with a pump spray ;-)
[15:49:02] <pcw_home> It _can_ catch on fire
[15:49:02] <Loetmichel> never had a "Fump"
[15:49:12] <Loetmichel> it can, and it will
[15:49:28] <JesusAlos> is possible the PCI card broken?
[15:49:30] <Loetmichel> when exposed to a sufficient igniting source
[15:49:56] <Loetmichel> but that igniting source has to be surprisiungly powerful
[15:50:05] <Loetmichel> like a burning lighter or something
[15:50:06] <pcw_home> no but sparks from switching the power supply could ignate the vapors
[15:50:47] <Loetmichel> pcw_home: right. with what possibility?
[15:50:54] <Loetmichel> 1:1e10?
[15:50:55] <pcw_home> flashpoint = 11.7 C
[15:51:09] <pcw_home> not worth the risk
[15:51:15] <Loetmichel> ok
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[15:51:34] <Loetmichel> but not worth the scare off either
[15:52:23] <Loetmichel> what i meant was IPA is flammable, but it is not really a "hollywood car" that ignites every time a spark is anywhere in a 100m radius.
[15:53:03] <pcw_home> OK you go and advise people to use flammable solvents near sparks, I wont
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[15:53:45] <Loetmichel> and the usual amounts needed to clean a pci slot will cause a little "woosh" and some curled hand hair at worst.
[15:54:14] <Loetmichel> the whole 1 liter bottle poured over the PC and switched on is a whole different ballpark, though
[15:54:19] <jdh> do people have this problem often (dirty pci slots)?
[15:54:31] <pcw_home> Yes
[15:54:32] <Loetmichel> jdh: i have sometimes.
[15:55:15] <pcw_home> especially if the slot was unused and collected dust+grease for who knows how long
[15:55:23] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=735 <- old PC for the MINImill
[15:55:35] <Loetmichel> ... standing open beneath it ;-)
[15:56:17] <jdh> I've had some Q-Bus cards that got better with cleaning, but never ISA/EISA/MCA/PCI/etc.
[15:56:26] <Loetmichel> ... that "white" stuff is aluminium shards
[15:56:52] <pcw_home> Yep and you have to clean the PCI card contact fingers as well since they can be contaminated by a dirty slot
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[16:20:22] <pcw_home> Yeah but this is 99% IPA and I _have_ been burned by it
[16:21:33] <MacGalempsy> Loetmichel: is that line an official fix?
[16:21:42] <MacGalempsy> line = link
[16:22:17] <Loetmichel> MacGalempsy: hmm?
[16:22:25] <Loetmichel> which link?
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[16:23:07] <MacGalempsy> I am talking about the the cyrom link where the wires are crammed in the clip
[16:23:20] <Loetmichel> t12: i have 99,9 ipa here... in some 5 liters cans...
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[16:24:16] <Loetmichel> MacGalempsy; hrhr, taht was the power for this lamp: http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=179
[16:25:00] <Loetmichel> on the right of the proxxon spindle
[16:25:16] <Loetmichel> was to lazy to get a crimp tool and a molex
[16:25:29] <MacGalempsy> Loetmichel: what medium do you work in the most?
[16:25:53] <Loetmichel> t12: ipa burns relatively cool.. but long...
[16:25:56] <Loetmichel> medium?
[16:26:40] <Loetmichel> MacGalempsy: did you mean: what stuff do i mill?
[16:26:46] <MacGalempsy> yes
[16:27:00] <MacGalempsy> wood metal plastic?
[16:27:12] <Loetmichel> aluminium for the most part, some plastics, some Carbon fibre , some glass fibre, some plywood
[16:27:31] <MacGalempsy> do you run a 4th axis kit?
[16:28:06] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=13570 <- plexiglass "sometimes" ;-)
[16:28:23] <Loetmichel> at hte company : yes at home: not yet
[16:28:57] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=13564 <- some acrylic millining ;-)
[16:30:27] <Loetmichel> but i DO aluminium also: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o53RsosYwGg
[16:30:27] <Tecan> (o53RsosYwGg) "Fraesen gilera scheinwerfer 1" by "Loetmichel" is "People" - Length: 0:00:25
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[16:31:12] <MacGalempsy> do you think that if someone has picked up 3d printing, that taking the step to the mill should be easier?
[16:31:36] <archivist_> MacGalempsy, warning once you have a 4th....you want a 5th
[16:31:46] <MacGalempsy> heh
[16:32:08] <MacGalempsy> i am alread at that point, but still trying to figure out a machine that is big enough
[16:32:10] <DaViruz> Loetmichel: you make model aircraft lighting systems?
[16:32:20] <MacGalempsy> there is one from bolton tools that looks interesting
[16:32:24] <Loetmichel> DaViruz: i made. some time ago
[16:32:32] <DaViruz> oh.
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[16:34:52] <MacGalempsy> Loetmichel: any thoughts on this machine? http://www.boltonhardware.com/category/bolton-tools/metal-lathes-wood-lathes-milling-machines/cnc-lathes-cnc-milling-machines-cnc-machine-center/4-axis-cnc-milling-machine.php
[16:35:54] <Loetmichel> MacGalempsy: looks a bit expensive from here
[16:36:22] <MacGalempsy> part of the requirement is to be able to mill steel
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[16:36:50] <Loetmichel> for some lunps of chinese "steel" and a bit of electronics
[16:37:37] <MacGalempsy> i guess it depends on the squareness of the table
[16:37:46] <MacGalempsy> and mast
[16:37:58] <archivist_> and how well set up
[16:39:49] <MacGalempsy> the sales guy is supposed to call me back with some more specs that arent listed on their site. the one review of a cnc lathe they sell said the machine was a lot better than they expected for the price
[16:40:22] <archivist_> and the last review I found...was not so good
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[16:40:35] <MacGalempsy> really? link?
[16:42:15] <tjtr33> JesusAlos, clean the pci card connector (not socket) with rubber eraser. any black on eraser was oxidation.
[16:42:22] <archivist_> last review https://plus.google.com/113020645198969951049/about?gl=uk&hl=en#113020645198969951049/about?gl=uk&hl=en
[16:42:35] <MacGalempsy> thanks, I will read
[16:43:21] <archivist_> sorry not last see the one from Mitch Anderson
[16:43:29] <pcw_home> I would suggest NOT using an eraser or anything abrasive and using 99% IPA instead
[16:44:01] <tjtr33> ? ok, 'works for me' . is the plating that thin?
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[16:44:45] <Loetmichel> tjtr33: i HAVE used a rubber ereaser on a edge card and managed to get the complete Gold off
[16:44:46] <CaptHindsight> there is also a risk of ESD damaging the CMOS devices with the eraser
[16:44:49] <archivist_> I use nothing more than paper soaked in ipa
[16:44:51] <MacGalempsy> archivist_: the only true review of their product on that page was of a lathe and that was good
[16:45:20] <archivist_> MacGalempsy, be careful of "planted" reviews
[16:45:42] <JesusAlos> you refer "rubber eraser" to use for erase pencil?
[16:45:48] <archivist_> too good to be believed....done by the seller
[16:45:55] <Loetmichel> yes
[16:46:00] <MacGalempsy> there was a longer writeup by a guy with a small machine shop. the bolton machines seem to fill a gap, anyways, that guys was impressed with all the features and the accuracy of the machine
[16:46:01] <Loetmichel> the red/blue ones
[16:46:09] <jdh> pink pearl erasers
[16:46:21] <tjtr33> JesusAlos, i've doen it a lot for many years, but the advise here is dont ( and yes , the other end of a pencil)
[16:46:39] <tjtr33> very soft
[16:46:56] <archivist_> MacGalempsy, but that person who went there is speaking of a place just with boxes and no testing by the look of it
[16:47:00] <Loetmichel> tjb1: i think it depends on the kind of ereaser
[16:47:14] <tjtr33> brown end of pencil tjtr33
[16:47:24] <MacGalempsy> that guy did not have a chance to review the product because it was still in the box
[16:47:53] <Loetmichel> this kind tends to rub off the gold as well als the oxides: http://www.bueromarkt-ag.de/radiergummi_laeufer_universal-0440,p-0440.html
[16:47:58] <archivist_> exactly my point they do not open
[16:48:13] <JesusAlos> ah
[16:48:14] <JesusAlos> ok
[16:48:18] <MacGalempsy> anyways, I will listen to their sales pitch and see what he has to say. the mast height seemed to be big enough to use a 5th axis
[16:48:19] <JesusAlos> is abrasive
[16:48:21] <JesusAlos> I never lisen it.
[16:48:54] <JesusAlos> in this case the PC have only 9 month. Don't think the oxidation do his job
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[16:49:28] <JesusAlos> maybe with Alcohol is enough
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[16:49:52] <archivist_> is the pc mounted on the machine and does it vibrate
[16:49:54] <tjtr33> try white printer paper soaked in IPA, any black on paper afterwards is oxidation
[16:49:56] <Loetmichel> JesusAlos: i would think so, too
[16:50:14] <Loetmichel> especially when the developer of the board suggests it
[16:50:38] <archivist_> tjtr33, method I use too
[16:51:13] <tjtr33> used to use US dollar bills, the rag content was slightly abrasive, great on 'german silver' relay contacts
[16:51:28] <tjtr33> new bills no good, plastic money
[16:51:33] <archivist_> also plugin board and remove a few times, with modern thin plating once or twice only
[16:51:47] <Loetmichel> tjtr33: really?
[16:52:00] <tjtr33> yep, saved a lot of old AGies that way
[16:52:19] <Loetmichel> <- "WIIIFE, pleas give me some of the dollar bills you have from your last trip to usa..."
[16:52:31] <tjtr33> OLD bills only
[16:52:33] <JesusAlos> Loetmichel: developer are you?
[16:54:22] <pcw_home> Our cards have 30 uInch gold but the sockets may only be gold flash
[16:54:23] <pcw_home> any grime/ dark markings on contact fingers suggest contamination/oxidation
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[16:55:27] <MacGalempsy> archivist_: who cares if it is opened, when they are shipping the product 1800miles away? as long as the specs are good and the machine is true,
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[16:57:37] <pcw_home> Also check the PCs 3.3V. Low 3.3V can also cause this problem (5I25 is held reset if 3.3V is too low)
[16:57:57] <pcw_home> must be > 3V
[16:58:53] <Loetmichel> JesusAlos: no, why?
[16:59:16] <Loetmichel> pcw_home is (one of) the developers of the Mesa cards
[16:59:24] <JesusAlos> I supply 7i77 with 5i25
[16:59:27] <JesusAlos> so 5V
[16:59:34] <JesusAlos> yes?
[16:59:37] <Loetmichel> so he's ought to know what they like and what not
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[17:00:24] <Loetmichel> tjtr33: just "feeled" the bills: oldest one was 2003 series
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[17:00:33] <IchGuckLive> hi all B)
[17:00:35] <Loetmichel> newest 2009
[17:00:37] <JesusAlos> Loetmichel: unknown this information
[17:00:40] <JesusAlos> he
[17:00:41] <JesusAlos> hi
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[17:01:14] <IchGuckLive> JesusAlos: you dident wrote back so i guess everything is runing well
[17:01:19] <Loetmichel> seems to be all the same but wife says she had some really old bills in her fingers that were noticeable more like cotton than the newer ones
[17:01:27] <Loetmichel> so you might bne right ;-)
[17:01:47] <Loetmichel> JesusAlos: as far as i know he is
[17:02:18] <tjtr33> Loetmichel, 'like cotton' is old bill with ground up US flags ( rag content) ... those are good
[17:03:33] <Loetmichel> tjtr33: as i am german i hav these dreaded "euro money" in my pocket
[17:03:52] <Loetmichel> ... they just chenged the 5 eur bill to a new desing
[17:04:10] <Loetmichel> ... lokks and feels even more like monopoly money than the old one...
[17:04:12] <tjtr33> already copied ?
[17:04:24] <Loetmichel> to much, yeah
[17:04:25] <archivist_> we still have paper pounds but plastic £5 were in the news a few days ago
[17:05:27] <tjtr33> maybe e-money is the way, counterfeiters are clever and definitely are driven
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[17:08:59] <JesusAlos> IchGuckLive: yes all well by the moment with 5 axis
[17:09:35] <JesusAlos> Start the bloblems again when check in phisical machine :)
[17:09:47] <JesusAlos> bloblems=problems
[17:09:51] <JesusAlos> sorry
[17:10:46] <JesusAlos> I don't have a lott time lately for connect
[17:10:59] <IchGuckLive> ;-)
[17:11:37] <JesusAlos> now I'm going to run up the mountain
[17:11:49] <JesusAlos> I hope it does not rain
[17:14:54] <JesusAlos> see you
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[17:49:15] <Jymmm> Stained and etched concrete - http://strattonexteriors.com/home/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/etched-concrete.jpg
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[17:53:24] <kwallace2> That's purdy.
[17:53:57] <Jymmm> I thought so too, found their PORTFOLIO http://s162.photobucket.com/user/jennrachidi/library/Artisticrete?sort=3&page=1
[17:54:12] <Jymmm> err his
[17:56:17] <CaptHindsight> looks like somebody used a Phaser to cut those outlines in the concrete
[17:58:43] <CaptHindsight> Jymmm: do they use a grinder?
[17:58:54] <kwallace2> I was thinking a stencil of plasma sheet metal with sand blasting might work.
[17:59:09] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: you know as much as I do
[17:59:09] <kwallace2> plasma cut
[17:59:17] <Tom_itx> damn i bet that's slick when it's wet
[17:59:27] <archivist_> methinks getting some tiles fitted would be cheaper
[17:59:32] <CaptHindsight> looks slippery doesn't it
[18:00:54] <kwallace2> Maybe put a little sand in the sealer? It gets one to thinking. ... Now, I want to try it.
[18:01:10] <Tom_itx> i saw someone's basement done similar
[18:02:22] <Tom_itx> might make a cool pool bottom
[18:02:56] <kwallace2> LinuxCNC could be used to make a concrete slab printer.
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[18:04:09] <CaptHindsight> angle grinder with a guide/template
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[18:06:41] <CaptHindsight> need a higher res photo to see how it was formed
[18:06:58] <Jymmm> O_o
[18:08:14] <tjtr33> hammered & swore at plaster http://imagebin.org/271821 not pretty http://imagebin.org/271822
[18:08:14] <IchGuckLive> simple wood shape and a FLEX
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[18:08:59] <IchGuckLive> tjtr33: YES
[18:09:31] <IchGuckLive> i did this last week only wanted to replace 4 tiles but if i grindet 1 out the hole wall fell of 3 left in place O.O
[18:10:30] <tjtr33> yep, thats plaster & lath, cant touch it a little, gotta remove it all
[18:11:40] <skunkworks> tjtr33, that looks farmiliar... but ours hous must have been at the transision between lath/plaster and sheet rock. It has 16" wide horizontal strips of sheetrock like stuff - and then the normal layer of plaster and corner wire.
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[18:12:48] <tjtr33> well i got expanded metal in corner radius (everything was rounded)
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[18:13:54] <CaptHindsight> http://imagebin.org/271823 take a look at these two spots
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[18:15:12] <tat> has anyone had experience with this router ? http://www.cnc-modellbau.net/shop/product_info.php?pName=probasic-h-0605-v45mms-bausatz&cName=cncmaschinen-probasic-0605
[18:15:19] <tjtr33> theres a book from a guy in taiwan who does concrete countertops, lotsa hints, he embeds brass bits and nautilus shells and grinds thru 'em
[18:15:30] <tat> i mean runnning it with emc2
[18:16:31] <archivist_> I get a wsod on that site
[18:17:19] <CaptHindsight> tjtr33: did end up ripping it all out?
[18:17:30] <tjtr33> tat i get blank page on ffox
[18:17:44] <tjtr33> CaptHindsight, all out, that foto is 20 min old
[18:17:48] <archivist_> that is a php error on the site
[18:19:10] <kengu> empty
[18:19:31] <tat> http://www.cnc-modellbau.net/shop/index.php?cName=cncmaschinen-probasic-0605
[18:19:36] <tjtr33> this i could drill down to http://www.cnc-modellbau.net/html/cnc-maschinen.html
[18:20:16] <tat> sorry, but it is not my page
[18:20:23] <kengu> hum. i need one of those. i am pretty sure
[18:20:24] <archivist_> we realise
[18:20:41] <tjtr33> tata i got the last url you posted to work, but i dont know the machine
[18:21:04] <tat> they say it runs with WinPC-NC light
[18:23:12] <tjtr33> we dont know about that control software
[18:23:16] <tjtr33> (I)
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[18:56:51] <joebog> morning all
[18:57:13] <joebog> I have some god news :) my engraver works wheeee
[18:57:46] <joebog> BUT one little problem :( the linuxcnc logo prints upside down :(
[18:58:04] <joebog> its flipped in the Y axis
[18:58:06] <andypugh> Invert the Y axis
[18:58:20] <Jymmm> joebog: Turn your machine upsde down, then it will engrave correctly =)
[18:58:40] <andypugh> (simplest way is to invert the Y stepper direction pin in stepconf)
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[18:59:20] <jdh> add a - to the scale
[18:59:30] <joebog> OK :) where is that acheived ?
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[19:01:34] <joebog> now I have to add the 4th axis
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[19:06:03] <MacGalempsy> joebog: what mill do you use?
[19:07:17] <joebog> its actually an engraving machine
[19:07:58] <joebog> and for the life of me I cant remember the name
[19:08:51] <joebog> made in england 30 years ago
[19:09:12] <joebog> was fitted with a Cipher ( australian made ) windowz setup
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[19:13:42] <joebog> two names something or other Hall
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[19:16:35] <MacGalempsy> does it use ballscrews?
[19:18:10] <joebog> yes
[19:18:16] <joebog> on all three axis
[19:19:10] <joebog> the 4th axix will be an indexing head
[19:19:22] <joebog> it has a planetary drive system
[19:19:45] <joebog> Im working on that today, plus I will have another 30 or 40 photos to post
[19:20:27] <joebog> the machine is going to be used to make small gun parts and engrave scrollwork etc on guns
[19:23:55] <jdh> make me a BCG
[19:24:04] <jdh> it's small, relatively.
[19:24:37] <joebog> BCG ???
[19:25:04] <kengu> boston consulting group.. might be something else here
[19:25:46] <jdh> http://www.harristacticalonline.com/images/1232734557238692834767.jpg
[19:25:58] <jdh> you said small gun parts.
[19:26:41] <joebog> :) he already makes them its a silencer isnt it ?
[19:26:49] <joebog> HIGHLY illegle in aus
[19:26:58] <joebog> as are all guns
[19:27:19] <joebog> evn a starting pistol requires a licence
[19:27:27] <joebog> or a air rifle
[19:28:30] <Jymmm> joebog: liek airsoft? or pellet?
[19:28:38] <joebog> yup
[19:28:42] <joebog> illegle
[19:28:47] <Jymmm> Eeees
[19:28:51] <Jymmm> h
[19:28:58] <Jymmm> what about slingshot?
[19:29:08] <Jymmm> corssbow?
[19:29:13] <Jymmm> bow and arrow?
[19:29:19] <Jymmm> rocks?
[19:29:19] <joebog> ya have to get cop and asio clearance, ya have to be inna gun club, ya guns are stored in a safe NOT at your place
[19:29:20] <kengu> boomerang
[19:29:21] <Jymmm> sticks?
[19:29:40] <joebog> ya must attend 6 recognised shoots at the range or ya lose the licence
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[19:29:56] <joebog> crossbow illegle
[19:30:03] <kengu> sounds reasonable
[19:30:07] <jdh> we should move chicago to australia
[19:30:14] <joebog> long bow ya must be member of club and yer liceneced
[19:30:18] <Jymmm> joebog: JEEBUS, Prison rules still apply ;)
[19:30:28] <joebog> slingshot illegle
[19:31:08] <Jymmm> joebog: dirty looks?
[19:31:09] <joebog> we DONT have massive VERY STUPID killings that yanks consider daily life !! or is it daily death ?
[19:31:47] <joebog> we are always horrified when that stuff comes on TV
[19:31:52] <cradek> The NRA has a plan to put an armed volunteer at every military base.
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[19:31:58] <jdh> heh
[19:32:05] <joebog> yanks just sorta walk on the other side of the street it seems
[19:32:12] <Jymmm> cradek: purpose?
[19:32:26] <Tom_itx> to not miss?
[19:32:58] <jdh> chance of a non-thug getting shot in the .us is really pretty low.
[19:33:22] <ReadError> http://www.dailygusta.com/Phone/i-M7rHtSS/0/X2/CA_09241314564610-X2.jpg
[19:33:28] <ReadError> latest thing off the mill ;)
[19:33:29] <joebog> non thug ??? so alla the lil school kids are thugs too ?
[19:33:33] <ReadError> i love how CF looks
[19:34:25] <jdh> I didn't say non-existent, just lower that one would expect from news/etc.
[19:34:27] <Jymmm> joebog: Us "Yanks" just don't want to be shoved off onto prison island where the top ten deadliest creatures in the world call home =)
[19:34:46] <Tom_itx> ReadError, you makin one of those 'head choppers'?
[19:35:13] <cradek> Jymmm: don't worry: the deadliest creature in the world is everywhere you go
[19:35:35] <ReadError> Tom_itx, lol
[19:35:38] <ReadError> nah
[19:35:44] <ReadError> these only have 4 blades of death
[19:35:53] <ReadError> well 8, but yea
[19:37:11] <Jymmm> cradek: http://www.hotelclub.com/blog/the-10-most-dangerous-animals-in-australia/
[19:39:27] <joebog> heh heh I live in the bush and we call it Taipan central :)
[19:39:34] <joebog> but I never been bit
[19:39:35] <cradek> they're sure doing something right if old white men in suits isn't #1 on their list
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[19:56:53] <alex_joni> heh
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[20:15:35] <joebog> I seen alla the snakes in that link Jymmm but not the stuff in the sea er except crocs
[20:16:39] <joebog> and the spiders , in fact the funnel web if found mostly in sydney in the northern suberbs
[20:16:51] <joebog> is found not if
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[20:20:35] <JesusAlos> hi people
[20:20:45] <joebog> hello :)
[20:21:51] <JesusAlos> I add this repository deb http://buildbot.linuxcnc.org/ hardy master-rt
[20:22:09] <JesusAlos> to update 2.6
[20:22:23] <JesusAlos> but system need dependences
[20:22:53] <joebog> did you do an " apt-get install linuxcnc " ?
[20:23:56] <joebog> or if you just need update you do " sudo apt-get update "
[20:24:14] <joebog> the dependencies should automatically load
[20:24:46] <JesusAlos> I need update from 2.5.3
[20:28:06] <JesusAlos> and when type sudo apt-get install linuxcnc say need dependences too
[20:28:20] <joebog> If you're upgrading from one major version to another, for example from 2.4 to 2.5, you may need to do config changes! Read about it on the Wiki.
[20:29:02] <joebog> that is what the page says that you posted
[20:32:54] <joebog> hhmm but I think if added a new repository and you do an " sudo apt-get update " it should find the dependencies
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[20:35:13] <JesusAlos> not do
[20:36:14] <joebog> fix broken packages ??
[20:36:28] <JesusAlos> yes
[20:36:55] <JesusAlos> libmodbus5 and hostmot2-firmware
[20:37:19] <joebog> did you install the manually ?
[20:38:09] <JesusAlos> you refer libmodbus5 and hostmot2-firmware ?
[20:38:24] <JesusAlos> no
[20:38:35] <cradek> you also need the "base" component
[20:39:18] <joebog> the other way to do it, is to delete your current install and reinstall the new version
[20:39:33] <joebog> BUT any files you have made will need to be saved first
[20:39:46] <cradek> http://linuxcnc.org/dists/hardy/base/binary-i386/
[20:40:27] <JesusAlos> what is the difference betweendeb http://buildbot.linuxcnc.org/ lucid master-rt
[20:40:57] <JesusAlos> and deb http://buildbot.linuxcnc.org/ hardy master-rt
[20:41:03] <JesusAlos> ?
[20:41:13] <cradek> one is for lucid, one is for hardy
[20:41:16] <joebog> lucid is a much newer version than Hardy
[20:41:28] <joebog> Lucid lynx
[20:41:41] <cradek> hardy is the 2008 release. lucid is the 2010 release.
[20:41:55] <joebog> a couple of years newer I beleive but I cant remember the actual dates
[20:42:00] <JesusAlos> ok
[20:42:07] <joebog> thanks cradek
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[20:53:31] <JesusAlos> ok. is update
[20:53:34] <JesusAlos> thank
[20:53:47] <joebog> no problem
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[23:25:05] <JT-Shop> I should be doing something
[23:26:26] <skunkworks> heh
[23:26:33] * somenewguy looks at pile of cut wires on his bench
[23:26:37] <somenewguy> you and me both
[23:26:47] <somenewguy> I'll just re-wire the panel I say
[23:26:51] <somenewguy> It'll be quick and easy I say...
[23:27:15] <JT-Shop> nothing is ever both quick and easy
[23:27:56] <JT-Shop> anyone want to play with my mill G code generator?
[23:28:12] <somenewguy> waht does it do?
[23:28:36] <JT-Shop> so far it is starting to generate the code needed for holes and tapping
[23:29:19] <JT-Shop> it's a Python Gtk app
[23:29:44] <JT-Shop> http://www.linuxcnc.org/index.php/english/forum/20-g-code/27032-mill-g-code-generator#39161
[23:31:08] <JT-Shop> I think I'll go work on it for a bit... I've been out in the shop all day
[23:31:50] <somenewguy> ok. I need to get my mill re-assembled, but it sounds like it will generate peck drill code?
[23:32:09] <somenewguy> I need to do some of that so I would be happy to take it for a spin, even tho I hand code that stuff usually
[23:33:31] <jthornton> I find it a tad faster to use the app than hand coding
[23:33:46] <jthornton> and you just made me add deep hole drilling too
[23:35:27] <somenewguy> haha
[23:35:43] <somenewguy> I am drilling .8 and 2.2 mm holes in acrylic, PECK OR DIE!
[23:35:43] <jthornton> one thing it does well is calculate the actual depth from the tip to get the depth of the full hole
[23:35:52] <somenewguy> THAT is a nice plus
[23:36:00] <somenewguy> are you two the same person?
[23:36:10] <jthornton> yea, we have a split personality
[23:36:19] <jthornton> I'm in the beer cave now
[23:36:46] <jthornton> it does spot drilling, drilling, reaming, chamfer and tap
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[23:39:03] <kwallace2> How can you calculate the tip length?
[23:39:47] <jthornton> by the angle and diameter
[23:40:37] <kwallace2> There are different tip types, normal and split point, I gave up on trying to make the calc.
[23:41:00] <jthornton> yea, that is cutting hairs there
[23:41:24] <jthornton> I just use 118 or 135
[23:42:22] <kwallace2> My generator only uses the tip for reference.
[23:42:47] <somenewguy> that is a nice plus tho
[23:43:12] <somenewguy> since when I am drilling those small holes I don't want to cut any more into my udnerlying support than I need to, as sucking wood chips thru the acrylic is not good fora hole that small!
[23:43:18] <jthornton> comes in handy when your reaming blind holes and you want some depth
[23:43:19] <somenewguy> I need my dang parallels to show up
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[23:44:40] <ries> Hey Guys, good evening. I wanted to implement auto-zero for my indexer, but then I realised that indexer's don't have limits. How do you configure homing for a indexer but in sutch a way that he will not wind back to zero but to the first latch position?
[23:45:12] <jthornton> do you have an input at each latch position?
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[23:55:19] <ries> jthornton: I put one switch that that get0s activated on each 360 rotation
[23:56:29] <jthornton> perhaps a probe move to the switch then in G code set your offset
[23:58:01] <jthornton> using the probe result
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[23:58:38] <jthornton> kwallace2, I have a spreadsheet that shows the calc if you want to look at it