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[14:14:23] <JT-Shop> zzz
[14:16:05] <rick___> anyone using mb2hal
[14:16:53] <pcw_home> Some Monday music to wake you up:
[14:16:54] <pcw_home> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H7pAejNvOok
[14:16:55] <Tecan> (H7pAejNvOok) "Sun City Girls - Tell Me Something Good" by "liquemascis" is "Music" - Length: 0:05:05
[14:17:56] <JT-Shop> I'm awake now!
[14:18:28] * JT-Shop goes back to listening to Canned Heat, On the Road Again
[14:20:09] <rick___> anyone using mb2hal?
[14:23:31] <Jymmm> pcw_home: We talked about this... LAY OFF THE CRACK PIPE BEFORE 9AM, m'kay?!
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[15:00:20] <JT-Shop> 1/2 of the desk is clean... dang it was dirty
[15:04:32] <pcw_home> damn, another coyote in the back yard today, been a bad year for chickens :-(
[15:05:49] <Jymmm> pcw_home: Give the coyotes the crack pipe
[15:05:51] <MattyMatt> workaround - coyote pie
[15:07:23] <pcw_home> Charlie took off after it but they are fast and have no trouble scrabbling over a 6 foot fence
[15:07:41] <MattyMatt> "This listing was ended by the seller because the item was lost or broken." how do you lose a lathe?
[15:07:58] <skunkworks> have you met my familly?
[15:08:09] * Jymmm lol @ skunkworks
[15:08:29] <Jymmm> skunkworks: IF you lose the K&T, Um, you have SERIOUS problems
[15:08:47] <skunkworks> 'I know it is in here somewhere....'
[15:12:08] <skunkworks> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9gM9XVEUo7k
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[15:12:41] <false> pcw_home: haven't started on the custom bit file, had a psu die on me, took me better part of the weekend to find what was wrong with it.. an intermittent short :( . Would it be possible for you to create one for me?
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[15:13:15] <false> Sorry to hear about you chickens, did they kill all of them?
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[15:14:05] <pcw_home> Didn't lose any today, but we lost about 6 this year to coyotes
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[15:14:59] <MattyMatt> so coyotes only kill what they eat? better than foxes
[15:15:07] <pcw_home> Thats been my experience
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[15:15:50] <false> When there is one wolf sighting in The Netherlands, the whole country is buzzing. You have coyotes in your backyard........
[15:16:24] <pcw_home> Coyotes, deer, racoons, opposums...
[15:16:55] <pcw_home> even though we are is a fairly urban area we are close to open space
[15:16:57] <false> Sounds kinda nice, if you don't count the coyotes :P
[15:17:15] <false> And possibly the racoons??
[15:17:38] <false> That's still 50% nice :$
[15:17:51] <pcw_home> Charlie will keep them away but we take him to work and the Coyotes learn when he's not there
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[15:18:16] <false> Charlie is you dog I assume?
[15:18:24] <pcw_home> Racoons are not much of a problem as long as you remember tp close the coop doors...
[15:18:43] <false> And you garbage cans, or is that just in movies?
[15:19:05] <pcw_home> Yes charlie is a ~100 lb flat coated retreiver
[15:20:07] <Chemeleon> racoons are master thieves when they want to get into something
[15:20:16] <pcw_home> For whatever reason we dont have garbage can troubles with the raccoons
[15:20:17] <pcw_home> but lots of people do
[15:20:24] <Chemeleon> my parents have been going rounds with them for years, currently they have latching garbage cans that they then set a 25 pound weight on top
[15:20:28] <Chemeleon> the coons still get in from time to time
[15:20:31] <false> My neighbours have one of those retreivers
[15:21:05] <false> Put some electic fencing wire on it?
[15:21:41] <pcw_home> Yeah that probably the only workable coyote deterent
[15:21:56] <false> except for the crack pipe of course
[15:22:11] <pcw_home> :-)
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[15:24:45] <false> ClassicLadder takes some getting used to, trying to get it to change gears on S commands. But getting there
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[15:25:24] <JT-Shop> false: did you see my pages on classicladder?
[15:26:45] <false> you mean the one on the mazak?
[15:26:52] <JT-Shop> no
[15:26:59] <false> Or is the hardinge yours?
[15:27:17] <JT-Shop> http://gnipsel.com/linuxcnc/index.html
[15:27:24] <JT-Shop> yes, Hardinge CHNC
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[15:28:40] <false> Yes saw those, very helpfull, the link to the tool changer is broken bdw
[15:29:16] <JT-Shop> this one?
http://gnipsel.com/linuxcnc/examples/cl-turret.zip
[15:29:22] <JT-Shop> works for me
[15:30:43] <false> gnipsel.com/linuxcnc/ladder/cl-turret.zip
[15:30:48] <false> that on the web
[15:31:44] <false> If you click the exmple link on
http://gnipsel.com/linuxcnc/ladder/index.html the link is broken, but the link you gave me works
[15:34:34] <JT-Shop> thanks, I'll fix that asap
[15:35:02] <JT-Shop> yes, it has a bad url
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[15:38:26] <false> If I just connect the spindle output to some ladder logic to determine if a gear change is needed and output the command at the end that's a good solution right?
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[15:39:00] <pcw_home> false: can you remind me what config you need?
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[15:39:21] <false> pcw_home: Yes hang on, I have it writen down somewhere
[15:40:49] <t12> pcw_home: does the 7i76e work with linuxcnc right now without lots of trouble?
[15:41:15] <pcw_home> No
[15:41:43] <pcw_home> there are still driver and firmware issues
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[15:41:59] <t12> hum
[15:42:16] <t12> what sort of issues? I'm building up a toy machine slowly
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[15:42:46] <t12> since its a toy, I could likely help with devel, depending on what there is to do
[15:42:49] <t12> or am i just asking for trouble
[15:42:56] <pcw_home> Getting decent performance and dealing with the Ethernet latencies requires re-timing the I/O at the remote end
[15:43:16] <pcw_home> I'm working on that now
[15:43:42] <false> pcw_home: 1x 7i47 (6x step/dir, 6x encoder) 1 x 7i33 (4x encoder, 1x pwmgen), 7i44, 7i64
[15:44:26] <false> 5x step/dir and 5x encoder on the 7i47 would also be fine
[15:44:40] <t12> is that true also for the other ethernet mesa cards?
[15:44:48] <pcw_home> Ok 4 encoders on 7I47 (each with index) would be more standard
[15:45:04] <pcw_home> Yes all Ethernet cards are the same
[15:45:19] <pcw_home> I do have my retiming stuff close
[15:46:44] <pcw_home> It also has the side benefit of being able to start reads of slow devices before the data is needed (SSI, FanucAbs. BISS, SPI interfaces etc)
[15:47:52] <false> pcw_home: was that last comment for me?
[15:48:37] <pcw_home> so for example even for PCI cards a SSI interface that takes 50 usec to get return data after a request
[15:48:38] <pcw_home> te requies can be started 50 usec before the servo thread invocation
[15:48:55] <pcw_home> the request
[15:49:09] <pcw_home> The 7I47 comment, yes
[15:49:28] <t12> also, the 8i20 makes mention of a 8c20 daughter card, but i dont see the 8c20 on the site or pricelist?
[15:49:52] <pcw_home> we decided to drop the 8C20
[15:50:27] <t12> was that intended to have the 8i20 be a standalone driver?
[15:50:46] <pcw_home> Yes
[15:51:20] <pcw_home> we are working on a integrated model (in the same and smaller sizes)
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[15:52:26] <t12> i guess with the time it will take me to actually build this thing out i might as well go ethernet and expiremental
[15:52:54] <t12> are the 7i76e's available for sale?
[15:53:50] <false> pcw_home: if it's a lot more work then do the more standard config, but my boss wants to use the mill as "conventional" to. So I'm connection 3 mpg's to the table (with enable buttons of course :P), but also need one for the panel/pendant. We also want to connect a small 4th axis so that bring the total encoder count to 9 (including spindle)
[15:57:29] <false> We do a lot of one-offs, and just flattening small pieces of aluminium. We do prototyping so a conventional mill would be a nice addition, but first we need to get the shop floor reoganized :P
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[16:00:45] <jthornton> false, link corrected thanks for telling me about it
[16:02:29] <false> no problem, if all webmasters had your response times the www would be a better place :D
[16:04:45] <pcw_home> false: it may be space limited in the 5I20, so I will have to pare sserial channels down
[16:05:17] <pcw_home> Ill see what fits...
[16:06:05] <false> pcw_home, yes you told me it would be about 4, which is more than fine, if I connect another 7i64 I will have more IO then I'll ever need for this mill
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[16:20:43] <kengu> argh.. mesanet is not really trying to get sales with the internet presence
[16:21:55] <andypugh> kengu:
http://store.mesanet.com still hasn't been activated.
[16:22:15] <andypugh> I don't know why they don't just start an eBay shop.
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[16:22:31] <kengu> andypugh: ahh.. work in progress.. good (:
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[16:25:45] <kengu> just something as just 15 minutes ago I was trying to get something but well.. I will need to send an email and ask something then
[16:25:49] <JT-Shop> I like it
[16:26:50] <andypugh> kengu: What are you trying to buy? There may possibly stock in Europe.
[16:28:29] <MattyMatt> meh, costa concordia dull, I'll wait for the timelapse
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[16:30:56] <andypugh> MattyMatt: Certainly not as exciting as the Mary Rose.
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[16:32:34] <kengu> andypugh: 5i25sp/6i25sp+7i76
[16:33:25] <kengu> MattyMatt: that is all I have been doing today mostly.. watching the umm.. super spectacular ship salvage
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[16:45:56] <andypugh> kengu:
http://www.retrofit-plus.at/index.php/shop/mesa-electronics/7i76-plug-and-go-kit-detail
[16:46:41] <andypugh> Though they may not have stock, looking at the quoted leadtime.
[16:46:46] <kengu> 1-4 weeks is pretty much the same as from US
[16:47:25] <andypugh> It may save customs hassles though.
[16:48:19] <andypugh> But only if they actually have some, rather than ordering them from the US to fill the order.
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[16:48:59] <kengu> well.. i have professionals to do the customs hassle
[16:49:19] <kengu> or better like "there are" and at hand
[16:50:23] <andypugh> It's the money that is charged for it. I recently bought some stuff from the US. It was $7 for the ball bearings, $12 delivery. Then I was charged £3.75 import duties and a £12 handling fee.
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[16:51:07] <kengu> well.. i just tell the buyer what I need and then the things just appear when ever they arrive
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[16:51:19] <IchGuckLive> hi all B)
[16:51:24] <kengu> hello you
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[16:56:08] <false> pcw_home: I don't know how long it will take you, I'm off for a couple of hours.....
[16:56:18] <Jymmm> andypugh: you poor bastard =(
[16:57:20] <andypugh> I have had worse, Mese sent me some free samples and it cost me £80 to collect them.
[16:57:32] <Jymmm> ?!
[16:57:37] <kengu> andypugh: (:
[16:57:58] <kengu> it there a difference in 6i25 and 5i25 other than the umm.. bus.
[16:58:03] <andypugh> Customs fees are charged on the value, not the price paid.
[16:58:20] <andypugh> kengu: No, they even use the same firmware.
[16:58:28] <kengu> i do have both on the computer. I did just check that.
[16:58:30] <kengu> andypugh: ok
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[17:00:23] <Jymmm> andypugh: You 12V intel mobo, do you know the actually wattage used? And how many hdd's ?
[17:00:33] <false> pcw_home: I'll leave irc open in case you finish before I'm back, thanks again!
[17:02:30] <andypugh> Jymmm: No idea, but it is running off of 30W PSU I had lying about, and has done 24/7 for a long time. No HDD at all though, it has an 8GB SATA DOM.
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[17:03:28] <Jymmm> andypugh: Ok, thanks. My NAS does 90W (measured) and I'm trying to drop it down.
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[17:12:17] <andypugh> It's depressing that any time I see a female name as a new subscriber I assume that it is a spammer.
[17:12:46] <andypugh> (Today's one was offering help with accountancy homework)
[17:13:14] <jdh> it would be an odd coincidence if both female linux users happened to do CNC also.
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[17:28:39] <IchGuckLive> raspersky pi nominated for world inovation
[17:29:23] <uw> meh, raspersky is overrated
[17:29:47] <IchGuckLive> costa concordia italian ship backup live
http://www.n24.de/n24/Mediathek/Live/d/3237626/bergung-der-costa-concordia-in-italien.html
[17:30:22] <andypugh> I don't see that there was anything especially innovative about the Pi, except that they managed to make non-geeks aware of their existence.
[17:30:49] <IchGuckLive> seams it is not gone work in the scedualt tie 12hr to short to lift 300k Tons
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[17:31:53] <andypugh> The trailer for a Roman Emipre war game has war galleys bursting in to flames on impact. That's just silly!
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[17:32:26] <uw> lol i just changed windows until the ad was over
[17:32:55] <uw> what ever happened to the scumbag captain of this ship?
[17:33:44] <IchGuckLive> uw still in bed with russian top modell
[17:34:33] <IchGuckLive> start of operation has been at )am Rom time
[17:34:39] <IchGuckLive> 9am
[17:35:19] <IchGuckLive> its the same size as an aircraft carrier
[17:35:33] <IchGuckLive> Nimitz class
[17:36:35] <IchGuckLive> steel wire at 25000 tonns pulling
[17:37:18] <jdh> I think the Pi is cool enough for what it is. It isn't much of a general purpose embedded controller thingie though.
[17:37:25] <IchGuckLive> 60000tonns of water inside
[17:37:40] <Loetmichel> andypugh: why? maybe the greeks have shot with Sun and mirrors?
[17:38:26] <IchGuckLive> Loetmichel: der saubock dreht sich einfach nicht rumm
[17:38:34] <Loetmichel> IchGuckLive: hmm?
[17:38:46] <IchGuckLive> costa concordia
[17:39:24] <uw> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/special/2012/newsspec_4338/img/costa_concordia976x630.jpg
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[17:41:06] <IchGuckLive> uw search image -> costa concordia blondine <_ thats why this ship died
[17:42:47] <IchGuckLive> that what hydraulik is al about lifting in low motion
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[17:45:12] <andypugh> Loetmichel: This is galley-to-galley impact, not mirrors. Some people never learn, though:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-23930675
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[17:47:26] <einar__> Good evening.
[17:47:28] <IchGuckLive> nightfall in rome
[17:47:41] <rick___> andy thas a giant parabolic mirror lens....
[17:47:43] <IchGuckLive> hi einar__
[17:47:53] <rick___> that is a
[17:47:57] <uw> lol "walkie talkie"
[17:48:49] <uw> TIL the sun does shine in london
[17:49:00] <IchGuckLive> jeah the coting in england has been cool for the building but heats up the city
[17:49:08] <andypugh> There is a tradition of giving London skyscrapers less flattering names. There is "the potato", "the gherkin", "the shaver"
[17:49:28] <einar__> I'm trying to get LinuxCNC running here. Using USC card. Diagnostics passed. Should LinuxCNC run without the machine?
[17:49:47] <IchGuckLive> yes
[17:49:58] <IchGuckLive> einar__: use a sim maschine
[17:50:12] <IchGuckLive> axis mm for instant
[17:50:37] <andypugh> This is "The Shaver"
http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Arts/Arts_/Pictures/2010/7/16/1279294367168/strata-tower-006.jpg
[17:50:38] <IchGuckLive> einar__: are you in the USA
[17:51:31] <andypugh> einar__: LinuxCNC will run, but you will need the USC attached in order to start the USC configs.
[17:51:57] <einar__> No. I'm in Norway.
[17:52:02] <einar__> https://maps.google.com/maps?q=langhus&channel=fe&client=browser-ubuntu&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&ei=GEU3UuvNLoi14ASzqoH4BQ&ved=0CAoQ_AUoAg
[17:52:17] <IchGuckLive> im in germany
[17:52:24] <andypugh> As IchGuckLive said, choose the sim->axis-mm config if you just want to play with the software.
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[17:54:06] <einar__> Wow! It's alive and running!
[17:54:18] <Loetmichel> andypugh: i know
[17:54:23] <IchGuckLive> B) O.O ;-)
[17:54:27] <Loetmichel> read that about the walkie-talkie
[17:54:29] <ve7it> Jymmm,
http://www.n24.de/n24/Mediathek/Live/d/3237626/bergung-der-costa-concordia-in-italien.html they are flipping the costa concordia live
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[17:55:33] <ve7it> Jymmm, about 1/2 way so far... it should be exciting when it flips over center
[17:55:48] <IchGuckLive> ve7it: looks like lift no flip at all till now
[17:56:21] <andypugh> It got dark very quickly!
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[17:56:42] <einar__> Ooops! Unexpected realtime delay on task 1!?
[17:56:51] <jdh> uh oh
[17:57:07] <ve7it> yea... I wonder what the pull paramters are for the cables.... someone must have a puckered anus
[17:57:18] <Jymmm> ve7it: I get nothing (server overloaded?)
[17:57:20] <IchGuckLive> andypugh: below 50 latitude it gets that way
[17:57:24] <Loetmichel> ve7it: have that open a while now... waiting to the coste to reach highest point and topple over ;-)
[17:58:12] <IchGuckLive> ve7it: 136cables 25000tonns of load 3time safty
[17:58:33] <awallin_> is that going to take the whole night..?
[17:58:46] <Loetmichel> awallin_; seems like it
[17:58:52] <IchGuckLive> awallin_: started at 9am local
[17:58:54] <andypugh> Back in the old days they would have fothered it with a sail and pumped it out...
[17:59:04] <Loetmichel> the said something about 60 kilotons of water in the hull
[17:59:15] <Loetmichel> you dont want to hurry tha much mass ;-)
[17:59:20] <ve7it> I thought they were expecting to have it upright in daylight.... maybe tomorrow
[17:59:30] <Jymmm> ve7it:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/italy/10311659/Costa-Concordia-salvage-operation-live.html
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[18:00:14] <IchGuckLive> still looks like more then 45 deg
[18:00:43] <Jymmm> ve7it: COLOR BARS NOW. Weeble Wobbles =)
[18:00:51] <Loetmichel> ve7it: iirc the have said something about some steel cables to near each other and they had to be dismantled and mounted elswhere
[18:01:16] <Jymmm> ve7it:
http://intl-outdoor.com/2usb-mobile-device-charger-318650-xml2-sideswitch-flashlight-p-741.html
[18:01:21] <ve7it> just tried the .uk link... I also have color bars
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[18:01:46] <Jymmm> ve7it: Yeah, I had the live feed, I think that have camera trouble
[18:01:57] <ve7it> it sank?
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[18:02:08] <Jymmm> ve7it: no no no
[18:02:24] <andypugh> "The Anglo-Saxons don’t seem to be very good at languages.” - Perhaps it is just that Italian is a long way down the list?
[18:02:30] <IchGuckLive> German cammeras are flying to Mars so better view maybe
[18:02:53] <ve7it> picture back on both links
[18:03:48] <IchGuckLive> somone eble to messure the tilt
[18:04:04] <ve7it> That will be pretty nasty to work in that ship after it bakes in the sun for a few days.... there is a lot of stuff growing on the parts that were underwater
[18:04:23] <CaptHindsight> the news coverage on the Concordia varies based on what network you watch
[18:04:40] <IchGuckLive> they will take it 25meters down first and lift next year
[18:05:30] <IchGuckLive> ve7it: but you are right on the side will be grown green in that time
[18:06:14] <CaptHindsight> The telegraph says they started 3 hours late due to storms, BBC, DW, France24 all had different accounts :(
[18:06:19] <IchGuckLive> waterline normal 12-15m they fix it for winter on 25m
[18:06:51] <IchGuckLive> CaptHindsight: 3jr is correct 6am plan 9am start
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[18:07:58] <CaptHindsight> is the hull off the reef?
[18:08:48] <IchGuckLive> yes
[18:11:54] <IchGuckLive> like lifting titanic
[18:12:06] <CaptHindsight> 2X
[18:12:19] <IchGuckLive> im off by til tomorrow
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[18:14:36] <CaptHindsight> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/picturegalleries/worldnews/10312647/USS-Oklahoma-parbuckled-in-1943-after-the-Japanese-attack-on-Pearl-Harbor.html?frame=2673071
[18:15:04] <CaptHindsight> look at the rigging they used 70 years ago
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[18:16:16] <ReadError> anyone using a mesa card on a g540?
[18:18:00] <pcw_home> Makes me wonder about the economics. That is, why cant the ship be reclaimed?
[18:18:29] <`Nerobro_> what do you mean reclaimed?
[18:18:38] <`Nerobro_> At this point, it's at best a naked hull and engines.
[18:18:42] <`Nerobro_> if they're REALLY FUCKING lucky
[18:18:46] <pcw_home> Yeah
[18:18:56] <`Nerobro_> Most likely, they will take it to be scrapped.
[18:19:07] <`Nerobro_> as a refit of that nature, is very expensive.
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[18:19:36] <pcw_home> But more expensive the starting from scratch?
[18:20:11] <`Nerobro_> the hull has been beaten on a shoreline for 18 months. They'd be very lucky is anything within 25' of the starbord side is still straight.
[18:20:18] <`Nerobro_> there's also a mighty big hole in the bottom of the hull.
[18:20:18] <andypugh> pcw_home: Reputation? "Come cruise on the Costa Concordia! (Almost guaranteed not to sink again)"
[18:20:29] <pcw_home> I know there are G540/5i25 users from forum questions
[18:21:07] <pcw_home> I though they always just re-christened them :-)
[18:21:17] <ReadError> pcw_home is it pretty plug&play ?
[18:21:56] <pcw_home> Yes pinout wise, the hal file is up to you
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[18:22:22] <pcw_home> I dont know if pncconf handles the chargepump yet
[18:22:24] <ReadError> can i use my current hal file from the parport ?
[18:22:38] <pcw_home> with a lot of changes
[18:23:08] <andypugh> ReadError: You can probably use the same INI file (with small changes)
[18:23:41] <pcw_home> I do wonder, if aliases were used correctly whether hal files could be hardware independent
[18:24:19] <pcw_home> that is the structure of a PID loop is the same regardless of the hardware, only the names are different
[18:30:41] <ReadError> i would like to get one, i just dont want to spend a ton of time messing with configs to get the machine going again
[18:32:28] <pcw_home> well its different hardware so all the I/O and stepgen setup will be different
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[18:33:29] <pcw_home> on the other hand its pin compatible so you should be able
[18:33:31] <pcw_home> to switch back to parallel port without any issues
[18:33:50] <ReadError> yea i could just make a new config
[18:35:06] <pcw_home> I think the pncconf generated one should be close
[18:35:23] <pcw_home> or just use the hm2-stepper sample config and patch
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[19:32:40] <andypugh> I am not sure it is still moving....
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[19:55:51] <kengu> https://www.dropbox.com/s/64xp4opdms1z13a/20130916_002.jpg
[19:56:01] <kengu> https://www.dropbox.com/s/cxa37q386mssxwc/20130916_003.jpg
[19:56:35] <kengu> still missing some.. umm.. parts like the brush and some middle parts
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[20:19:14] <Tom_itx> andypugh, they should park some solar collectors in those parking stalls
[20:21:07] <kengu> needs more brush.. next i need to get some brush
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[20:38:38] <nikola_> hi all , any to have any luck with 7I80
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[20:57:31] <einar__> Does anyone know what this message means (in debug info after failed to start linuxCNC):
[20:57:58] <JT-Shop> pastebin the debug output
[20:58:10] <einar__> I'm trying....
[20:58:29] <JT-Shop> pastebin.com
[20:58:43] <JT-Shop> debug > debug.txt
[20:58:52] <JT-Shop> this will send the output to a file
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[20:59:55] <DJ9DJ> gn8
[21:00:17] <einar__> Sorry. I'm a complete Linux newbie. Trying to copy from the "LinuxCNC Errors" window...
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[21:01:10] <JT-Shop> http://www.linuxcnc.org/docs/html/common/Linux_FAQ.html#_bootup_messages
[21:01:15] <einar__> Can not find -sec MOT -var MOT -num 1
[21:01:16] <einar__> Can not find -sec IO -var IO -num 1
[21:01:16] <einar__> Can not find -sec LINUXCNC -var NML_FILE -num 1
[21:01:16] <einar__> Can not find -sec EMC -var NML_FILE -num 1
[21:01:16] <einar__> 3231
[21:01:16] <einar__> PID TTY STAT TIME COMMAND
[21:01:18] <einar__> Stopping realtime threads
[21:01:20] <einar__> Unloading hal components
[21:01:23] <JT-Shop> ohhhhh noooooo
[21:01:58] <JT-Shop> what version of LinuxCNC are you running?
[21:02:10] <JT-Shop> is the configuration new or an old one?
[21:02:49] <einar__> You are using Ubuntu 10.04 LTS
[21:02:50] <einar__> - the Lucid Lynx It is new.
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[21:06:48] <JT-Shop> clear dmesg and run your config again then pastebin the dmesg
[21:06:50] <JT-Shop> http://www.linuxcnc.org/docs/html/common/Linux_FAQ.html#_bootup_messages
[21:06:55] <einar__> Can't copy but it says it cannot load '...hal_ppmc.ko': -l Operation not permitted
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[21:08:57] <einar__> did dmsg > bootmsg.txt. It is HUGE! Can't copy in here.
[21:09:09] <JT-Shop> pastebin.com
[21:09:23] <JT-Shop> copy to pastebin.com and post the link
[21:09:29] <JT-Shop> did you clear it first?
[21:10:51] <andypugh> Is this an install from LiveCD or did you compile it?
[21:11:04] <einar__> No. Is this what you need to see it:
http://pastebin.com/cUNPHv3v
[21:11:38] <JT-Shop> I have to run
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[21:12:37] <einar__> It says on pastebin.com that my disk is full, I have to repair Windows. !! Haha !!
[21:12:43] <andypugh> einar__: RTAI is in a tangle and won't be able to sort itself out. You need to reboot.
[21:13:25] <einar__> OK. Anything else I should do on my way down / up?
[21:14:41] <andypugh> No, do that first and then start linuxcnc from the command prompt (just type linuxcnc) and see what it says.
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[21:22:49] <einar_> Rebooted now. First the linuxcnc_debug.txt:
http://pastebin.com/2mS7CvTR
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[21:24:00] <einar_> Then output drom dmesg:
http://pastebin.com/V9SWTUns
[21:25:26] <andypugh> Very odd: [ 70.449244] RTAPI: Task 1[d76b5000]: Fault with vec=14, signo=11 ip=e0d71595.
[21:25:26] <andypugh> [ 70.449247] RTAPI: This fault may not be recoverable without rebooting.
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[21:27:12] <andypugh> Which version of LinuxCNC? Is the UPC board connected to the parallel port?
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[21:28:04] <UncleG> If I just dump dc voltage into my servo without a controller, is that bad? (so use it in place of a dc motor)
[21:28:06] <andypugh> I see that lp and parport_pc are loading, it is possible that those are interfering with the UPC access to the parport.
[21:28:16] <einar_> My terminal window (including misspelling):
http://pastebin.com/rLVcMWTc
[21:29:07] <andypugh> Can you show us the output of lsmpd?
[21:29:09] <einar_> I'm noticing someting about config error. Not knowing where to look.
[21:29:13] <andypugh> Sorry, lsmod
[21:30:34] <einar_> Lsmod output:
http://pastebin.com/rgzdSR5J
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[21:31:16] <cradek> a bit of better error checking has been added to the ppmc drivers between 2.5.0 and 2.5.3
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[21:31:32] <cradek> it would not hurt to run your updates
[21:31:40] <andypugh> try "sudo rmmod lp" then "sudo rmmod parport_pc" and then try Linuxcnc again.
[21:32:24] <andypugh> Though finding it can't have the parport shouldn't cause ppmc to crash quite that hard.
[21:32:45] <cradek> I think it cooperates with parport_pc nowadays
[21:33:18] <andypugh> And lp ?
[21:33:40] <cradek> yeah I think so, don't recall the details
[21:33:53] <cradek> and either way, ppmc is the one I'm least sure about
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[21:34:25] <einar_> linuxcnc_debug.txt:
http://pastebin.com/PVauAamV
[21:35:39] <einar_> And dmesg output:
http://pastebin.com/UqGixp3k
[21:36:13] <andypugh> Well, that is a lot better.
[21:36:32] <andypugh> That didn't actually crash, it just didn't work :-)
[21:36:55] <andypugh> It looks like you will need to blacklist the lp module.
[21:36:58] <cradek> you probably oughta reboot after the last crash, though
[21:37:01] <einar_> Uhh... it hurts the same. :-)
[21:37:42] <andypugh> cradek: Do you know how to blacklist (or not load) lp ?
[21:37:56] <einar_> No, I don't.
[21:38:36] <einar_> But I learnt a lot of things I did not know this last hour. ;-)
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[21:39:11] <cradek> see /etc/modprobe.d/linuxcnc.conf
[21:39:14] <cradek> edit that and reboot
[21:40:27] <andypugh> To edit that file, type "gksudo gedit" at the command prompt then open the file.
[21:41:13] <andypugh> cradek:
http://askubuntu.com/questions/134266/how-do-i-prevent-the-lp-module-from-loading-on-boot suggests that this will get harder in later versions.
[21:42:02] <UncleG> I changed my parallel port via bios and it fixxed a similar problem
[21:42:26] <UncleG> ecp epp err manually set it and it worked
[21:42:32] <andypugh> UncleG: Enabling EPP in the BIOS was likely to come next
[21:42:40] <einar_> Is this the one I need to uncomment: #install parport_pc /bin/true
[21:43:19] <cradek> yes
[21:44:39] <einar_> OK. Time for a "reboot now" then...
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[21:46:05] <andypugh> Ah! Bless! He only has one PC :-)
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[21:47:01] <einar_> Reboot done. Terminal window and "linuxcnc" then?
[21:47:27] <andypugh> do an lsmod and see if "lp" has disappeared
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[21:49:29] <einar_> I think not?
http://pastebin.com/d57wZYix
[21:50:28] <einar_> I did enable EPP in Bios.
[21:50:56] <einar_> And I ran the diag program for USC successfully.
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[21:56:20] <andypugh> lp is still there.
[21:56:30] <andypugh> Which error do you see in dmesg now?
[21:56:51] <andypugh> The more-promising looking one was [ 990.279136] PPMC: ERROR: no boards found on bus 0, port 0378
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[21:58:58] <einar_> After running linuxcnc I suppose. Then it looks like this:
http://pastebin.com/6LYLU647
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[22:00:25] <andypugh> cat /etc/modprobe.d/linucnc.conf
[22:00:32] <andypugh> Do you see your changes?
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[22:03:48] <einar_> I do. But there is a "emc2" file where it is still commented out. Does it matter?
[22:04:28] <andypugh> No, nothing in comments matters.
[22:05:10] <andypugh> The "askubuntu" link I posted earlier seems to suggest that there is more to it than just editing that file..
[22:05:31] <PCW> false: if you are around, unfortunately your config will not fit in a a 5I20
[22:06:00] <andypugh> But, as a quick test, now you have enabled EPP, if you sudo rmmod lp then try linuxcnc again, what happens?
[22:07:03] <cradek> I sure wonder what's crashy in there
[22:08:15] <einar_> did that, and lsmod | grep lp. No output OK then?
[22:08:38] <andypugh> Yes
[22:09:10] <einar_> looks the same. Checking logs...
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[22:10:45] <einar_> http://pastebin.com/dFmHyDWS
[22:11:17] <andypugh> Hmm
[22:11:30] <andypugh> rmmod parport_pc then try linuxcnc again?
[22:11:43] <einar_> linuxcnc_debug.txt:
http://pastebin.com/TyKYGmB6
[22:12:59] <einar_> einar@Boxford:~$ sudo rmmod parport_pc
[22:12:59] <einar_> ERROR: Module parport_pc does not exist in /proc/modules
[22:12:59] <einar_> einar@Boxford:~$
[22:13:17] <andypugh> Curious.
[22:13:28] <cradek> I don't think that's the pattern [existence of parport_pc/lp causes it to be crashy]
[22:14:13] <einar_> I did remove that before I think. Scroll up a bit here.
[22:17:41] <andypugh> I don't get the crash, even with no hardware.
[22:18:02] <andypugh> And I have lp and parport_pc loaded...
[22:18:48] <einar_> It's past midnight here, and a customer will call for my help this morning. And he's the one waking up the birds in the morning.
[22:19:04] <andypugh> Which is a shame, as I compiled with debugging flags and could have tracked down ip=e20d0595
[22:19:18] <andypugh> OK, well, we can carry on tomorrow.
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[22:19:32] <andypugh> Sorry we couldn't help you today.
[22:19:42] <cradek> your ip and his certainly won't match
[22:19:44] <andypugh> We will be half price tomorrow in compensation :-)
[22:19:49] <cradek> ha
[22:20:04] <einar_> Thanks a lot for your assistance. Not working yet. But I learnt alot from you! Goodnight.
[22:20:40] <andypugh> cradek: I know I can't use his ip, but if I could have reproduced the crash I could have found a clue.
[22:21:33] <cradek> ah, definitely
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[22:43:44] <PCW> Thats entertaining there's a obscure bug with hm2 encoders
[22:46:12] <PCW> very weird, only shows up if you link the rawcounts hal pin to a signal
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[22:52:45] <cradek> ewww
[22:53:24] <PCW> it in 2.5.1 so its been around a while
[22:53:50] <PCW> doesn't seem serious
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[22:54:41] <cradek> if it's crazy like that, it might be a bug of the unpredictable type
[22:55:08] <PCW> as it only affects pre-homed encoder positions if rawcounts is used
[22:55:09] <PCW> but yes it does suggest a loose wiire
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[23:03:16] <cradek> is it related to rollover?
[23:05:49] <cradek> oh forget it - I thought I saw a thing.
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[23:29:43] <PCW> on my test setup it only affect the first axis (0) and only the position before its homed
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[23:43:33] <andypugh> What is the nature of the wierdness?
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[23:52:55] <PCW> When you start linuxcnc the X (channel 0) encoder position is not 0
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[23:56:51] <PCW> but the weird thing is that this only happens if
[23:56:53] <PCW> 1. the hardware encoder counter is not 0
[23:56:54] <PCW> and weirdly
[23:56:56] <PCW> 2. the encoder rawcounts pin is connected to a signal in hal
