#linuxcnc | Logs for 2013-08-30

[00:00:23] <CaptHindsight> just use your infinite heat sink
[00:00:41] <joebog> AKA bucket of nitrogen :D
[00:01:00] <joebog> the gunsmith already has it for hardening stuff
[00:02:42] <kwallace2> I think a small PCB miller would be good with the cncgeeker rig. I would like one so I don't get glass fiber on my mill.
[00:03:06] <joebog> the cipher box doesnt weigh much, plus the wiring on the motors is pretty small !!!
[00:03:21] <joebog> BUT all traces of any specs for the motors has been removed
[00:03:30] <joebog> so Im really working blind there
[00:03:41] <joebog> and 2.5 amps WILL at least turn them
[00:04:28] <kwallace2> You can get a lot of information from the motor with a DVM and a drill press.
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[00:04:54] <uw> hey what's a good dxf to gcode generator?
[00:04:59] <joebog> well I will ask you about that at a later date :)
[00:05:05] <uw> i use pycam now but man that program sucks
[00:05:14] <joebog> OK all thanks for your help
[00:05:24] <joebog> Ill be back on line later and tomorrow
[00:05:38] <joebog> bye now
[00:05:43] <kwallace2> The drill press is for running the stepper as a generator. G'night.
[00:07:02] <kwallace2> http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?Simple_LinuxCNC_G-Code_Generators#Dxf2gcode_import_a_2D_DXF_file_and_produce_G_code ?
[00:09:16] <jdh> I use cut2d. it is payware & windows but simple and works well
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[00:13:55] <zultron> uw what're your main complaints w/pycam?
[00:17:34] <uw> zultron, very inefficient with path making, sometimes (often) makes errors
[00:18:40] <uw> i'm not expecting the best here, but when say engraving it seems like it jumps from the first letter to the last 1000 times before completing either
[00:19:42] <uw> also these errors can be sneeky, where i typically dont spot them until after the piece is being cut and im like "wtf is it doing that?" and I hit the estop
[00:31:21] <kwallace2> Could joebog's Cipher be a relabeled something else? http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j182/amp_mangler/linuxcnc_fitting/cipher3.jpg
[00:31:39] <kwallace2> I can't find anything on Cipher.
[00:48:34] <jdh> it's an enigma
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[00:56:18] <zultron> uw, sounds like the toolpath strategy is something not suited to engraving. The 3D toolpath strategies in pycam are a dropcutter and waterline algo, maybe one other. Neither of those would be good for engraving. Not sure what the options are for 2D in pycam.
[00:56:42] <zultron> Check out Anders Wallin's libvoronoi videos on youtube.
[00:56:49] <jdh> there are free engraving gcode generators
[00:57:04] <jdh> and dxf2gcode might handle that
[00:57:12] <zultron> Maybe openvoronoi, I forget.
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[01:03:25] <zultron> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n4P9SvT4L7g Bet dxf2gcode can't do that. :)
[01:03:26] <Tecan> (n4P9SvT4L7g) "OpenVoronoi V-carving toolpath test" by "Anders Wallin" is "Tech" - Length: 0:02:34
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[01:07:27] <Tom_itx> looks like it gouged a couple places
[01:08:30] <Tom_itx> maybe that was intentional...
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[03:04:31] <joebog> http://s80.photobucket.com/user/amp_mangler/library/linuxcnc_fitting
[03:04:46] <joebog> some pictures of the driver boards and cipher box
[03:11:21] <joebog> guess yas are all asleep huh ?
[03:11:43] <WalterN> is there a good open source inventory database type program thing that would be good for machine shops?
[03:13:20] <WalterN> I havent really looked yet... thought I would ask first
[03:13:38] <joebog> Have you looked in the repositries ?
[03:13:56] <joebog> hhmm Im not much help Walter :) sorry
[03:15:27] <joebog> Im sure there is something there that could be adapted with little pain !!
[03:15:36] <joebog> at least thats been my experience
[03:16:54] <WalterN> yeah
[03:17:18] <joebog> Im more a hardware sort of person !!
[03:17:38] <joebog> the reason Im here is to get help on the software more than anything else
[03:17:49] <WalterN> it should be able to store order dates, quantity, have a description, the CNC program, and maybe a picture or three of the machine setup (if its something more complicated)
[03:18:30] <joebog> hhmm that sounds pretty simple !!
[03:18:45] <WalterN> a wiki would technically work, but I think its kind of a lot overkill
[03:18:54] <WalterN> and not really ideal
[03:19:49] <joebog> I use GCstar for some of my stuff, although its more of a "collections manager"
[03:19:55] <joebog> its highly adaptable though
[03:20:27] <joebog> small download very comprehensive and lots of "addons" that you could rename
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[03:21:12] <joebog> merbbe you are like me a little ?? plug n play to do exactly as I want
[03:21:20] <joebog> never happens that way though :)
[03:24:00] <WalterN> enh
[03:24:18] <WalterN> I've written a few small programs in C before... its kinda fun
[03:24:31] <WalterN> C and java
[03:24:58] <joebog> I built lots of rack cabinets with lots of core memory :)
[03:25:09] <joebog> tape drives that weighed 50 kilos :)
[03:25:32] <joebog> 200lb LINEAR !!! 200 amp 5 volt power supplies
[03:25:56] <joebog> transformer bigger than an average welding machine :)(
[03:26:34] <joebog> Perkin Elmer processor boards
[03:26:45] <joebog> BUT true 64 bit 30 years ago
[03:27:14] <joebog> we used Motorola 68030 as IO controllers
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[03:34:02] <kwallace2> joebog: It looks like you have three IM2000F based stepper drivers. The IM2000F datasheets are easy to find. With a little reverse engineering you should be able reuse these.
[03:35:50] <uw> 68030 ah that brings me back
[03:35:58] <kwallace2> You should be able to use a buffer parallel port breakout board and a little wiring to get the axes to move.
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[03:39:55] <pcw_home> Yeah they look like normal step/dir drives (but you need to look up the drive part#, probably on heatsink somewhere)
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[03:49:41] <kwallace2> joebog: Maybe? http://www.wallawalla.edu/academics/departments/engineering/students/classes/engr480/docs/Steppers/IM483.pdf
[03:51:41] <joebog> sorry telephone call
[03:51:43] <joebog> Im back
[03:52:33] <joebog> checked the link, and saved the sheet
[03:52:41] <joebog> and yep you are correct !!!
[03:52:46] <joebog> same drivers
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[03:54:01] <joebog> AND, my judgement of motor size was close these boards are very close in specs to the five I have ordered
[03:54:25] <joebog> 4 amps peak and 3 amps RMS
[03:54:54] <joebog> the boards I ordered are 2.5 amps !!! but with some additional heatsinking I think they will at least work
[03:58:24] <joebog> have you "had a guess" at the Cipher box origin ?
[04:00:39] <kwallace2> I have no idea.
[04:02:25] <joebog> do you have machines working with Linuxcnc ??
[04:04:01] <kwallace2> http://www.wallacecompany.com/machine_shop/index.html
[04:05:30] <joebog> hhmm I am talking to the right person at least :)
[04:09:18] <joebog> I have neither built nor tested it, so it might work, ... or it might blow up and burn your house down.)
[04:11:06] <joebog> I love your enthusiasm
[04:11:20] <joebog> AND !!!! you use veroboard
[04:11:37] <joebog> I still have boxes and boxes of veropins
[04:11:51] <joebog> AND matrix board pins
[04:12:04] <joebog> the silver plating is going black however
[04:13:33] <kwallace2> It looks like the Cipher has a serial port for the PC connection so might need special control software. You might be able to jog the axes without the PC connection though.
[04:13:42] <joebog> your brisgport mill table is about the same size as the engraver Im working on
[04:13:57] <joebog> yep
[04:14:24] <CaptHindsight> joebog: http://www.kosmodrom.com.ua/data/cncstepdriver/ta8435hq.pdf 1.5A avg. 2.5A peak
[04:14:29] <joebog> I already rewired the motors after sorting the wiring from the breakout board I bought from the Cipher people
[04:14:50] <joebog> $240 for a 25 way D connector and two rows of screw terminals !!!!!!
[04:15:31] <joebog> ouich !!! CaptHindsight
[04:15:42] <joebog> looks like I AM the hindsight :(
[04:16:00] <joebog> those specs are NOT on the website that I could see
[04:16:41] <joebog> I cant jog the motors, BUT at power on the motors run as the controller does a reset
[04:16:46] <CaptHindsight> took some digging
[04:16:53] <joebog> so I know that the motors themselves work
[04:17:02] <joebog> thanks for that
[04:18:11] <joebog> at my age it will be fun, I jump in at the deep end, and with some help I may actaully acheive something that works
[04:19:13] <joebog> have saved the data Captain :)
[04:19:16] <joebog> thanks again
[04:19:36] <joebog> .ua is ukrain isnt it ?
[04:20:33] <ve7it> yahoo... just tried installing autocad 14 under wine on ubuntu 12.04 and it works perfectly (and screaming fast) - the installer says optimized for windows 95!
[04:20:55] <joebog> wow !!! I love that bed feed screw Mr Wallace
[04:22:03] <joebog> old feed screw would have been ajax ???
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[04:24:08] <joebog> doesnt ortocad need passwords and registration ?
[04:24:43] <joebog> or was it a dongle ???
[04:25:14] <kwallace2> I don't know what ajax is.
[04:26:16] <joebog> ajax is square thread !!!
[04:26:20] <joebog> like a vice screw
[04:26:32] <joebog> or an ajax jack used in construction
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[04:26:46] <joebog> hey hey you even know what an antenna is !!!!!
[04:26:54] <joebog> I am glad I met you :)
[04:27:41] <joebog> BUT unfortunately I also know what J numbers are !!!! they are the imaginary dollars in my wallet :D
[04:28:40] <joebog> heh heh heh nice little site Kirk !!!
[04:28:54] <joebog> I earned my backhoe ticket in a 590 super
[04:33:01] <kwallace2> A buddy needed some culverts put in so he had another friend show me what the levers did and what the machine was capable of doing said go at it. It took a while to learn and compensate for the 580 being completely worn out, but it turned out well.
[04:35:18] <kwallace2> This was a two wheel drive, the differential wouldn't lock and the brakes barely worked so it took a bit of planning and care.
[04:35:49] <joebog> you have just described a new 590 M
[04:36:08] <joebog> and nowadays they are joystick NOT control levers !!!
[04:36:31] <joebog> you are an amateur radio operator ??
[04:36:48] <joebog> or dare I say it in goddam a "ham"
[04:37:10] <joebog> goddam = meercan or to spell it american
[04:39:17] <kwallace2> No, my dad was a ham, I have his old Collins radio, but I only got into radio to setup WiFi to my neighbors.
[04:39:35] <joebog> OK
[04:39:40] <joebog> its all good :)
[04:40:05] <joebog> I am not an amatuer either, BUT have built LOTS of radios and antennas
[04:40:13] <joebog> including satelite dishes
[04:40:45] <WalterN> CaptHindsight: you still around?
[04:41:30] <kwallace2> I was a DirecTV installer for a while.
[04:41:50] <joebog> http://s80.photobucket.com/user/amp_mangler/library/?sort=3&page=1
[04:41:56] <joebog> my photobucket page
[04:42:07] <WalterN> CaptHindsight: me and my dad are in serious talks with buying a local machine shop :3
[04:42:32] <joebog> BE WARNED !!! any derogatory comments about the skinny guy with Osama's beard will be treated with laughter !!!!
[04:42:42] <kwallace2> I'd like to do some radio astronomy with my BUD.
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[04:43:02] <joebog> I worked with the CSIRO for a while
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[04:43:09] <joebog> radio astronomy is superb
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[04:43:20] <joebog> and VERY demanding of my brain cell
[04:44:00] <joebog> actually I worked there when the Chapparal feedhorn was developed
[04:44:15] <joebog> its what makes the internet work, and your mobile phone
[04:44:38] <joebog> hhmm that was februrary 1980
[04:44:58] <joebog> we had a PDP11 computer "D with tape reader and punch cards
[04:46:22] <joebog> the acoustic modem worked at 2400 baud
[04:46:47] <joebog> did somebody mention latency before ??? :D
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[04:49:10] <joebog> walterN that sounds very interesting
[04:49:26] <joebog> what does the machine shop do ?
[04:49:47] <joebog> I mean is it automotive or marine or general ??
[04:49:59] <joebog> military ???
[04:50:47] <WalterN> job shop mostly, so general
[04:50:53] <WalterN> its the only machine shop in the town
[04:51:00] <joebog> still thats fine !!!
[04:51:33] <joebog> we have several machine shops here in town ( 7500 people)
[04:51:55] <joebog> BUT theres a gunsmith and a machinist that really are artists
[04:52:02] <joebog> the rest are lathe operators
[04:52:31] <joebog> I tried to add "us" to the map, but wasnt able to
[04:52:40] <joebog> Mareeba North Queensland
[04:52:41] <WalterN> heh
[04:52:59] <WalterN> there are a couple gun smiths around, one of them I know really well
[04:53:01] <WalterN> great guy
[04:53:23] <joebog> I mean one guy I tried actaully turns oval shafts due to the bearing play in his lathe !!!!
[04:53:38] <WalterN> o.0
[04:54:25] <joebog> its off topic , but Ill post some pics of the guy Im building the engraver for
[04:55:00] <joebog> he has a couple of .36 cal cap and ball brass and steel handguns going up for auction
[04:55:09] <joebog> absolute works of art
[04:55:41] <joebog> gold inlays of Ned Kelly in his famous "helmet"
[04:56:01] <joebog> hammered into the grips
[04:56:40] <joebog> BUT it wasnt CNC engraved !!! hand cut with chisel and hammer
[04:56:57] <joebog> the actual figures are 3mm by 5mm in size !!!!
[04:58:49] <joebog> where is waltern ?
[04:58:59] <joebog> er WalterN even
[04:59:09] <joebog> doesnt look right in lower case :D
[05:00:28] <WalterN> I'm finishing up work for the night
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[05:01:37] <joebog> ok 99
[05:02:27] <WalterN> and going home time
[05:02:32] <WalterN> bbl
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[05:04:39] <joebog> afternoon toastydeath
[05:04:53] <joebog> now thats an interesting chat name !!
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[05:06:35] <kwallace2> The CSIRO wiki page is an interesting read: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commonwealth_Scientific_and_Industrial_Research_Organisation
[05:07:12] <joebog> I worked for The division of Radio Physics in Epping in Sydney
[05:11:13] <joebog> yep its an interesting place unfortunately aussie govermnment pays very little, and anybody good are poached !!!
[05:11:20] <joebog> MOSTLY by the yanks
[05:11:30] <joebog> but occasionally other countries
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[05:11:52] <joebog> and Im still here :D
[05:11:58] <joebog> so Im not very good
[05:12:01] <joebog> ha ha ha
[05:12:26] <joebog> the prverbial bad fitting shoes :D
[05:13:09] <joebog> maybe thats bad wearing soles
[05:13:18] <joebog> or was it ill fitting feet ????
[05:13:33] <joebog> :D
[05:14:44] <joebog> hhmm maybe its the fit of my foot in my mouth ?
[05:17:45] <kwallace2> From what I've seen on TV here, it seems like Australia is getting more active and successful.
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[05:27:15] <Loetmichel> mornin'
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[05:27:57] <tjtr33> joebog: the controller chip in your amps http://motion.schneider-electric.com/downloads/manuals/discontinued_prod/IM2000.pdf
[05:28:29] <tjtr33> may be too clever, would need some study to see if the 3 amps could be used
[05:28:43] <tjtr33> the dc power supply looks ok ( nice torroid )
[05:29:09] <tjtr33> and CSIRO! haha the best svg interpreter!
[05:30:15] <WalterN> and I'm back
[05:31:20] <joebog> WB Walter
[05:31:41] <tjtr33> kwallace2: the xml could be rendered if the webpage had a valid xml descriptor ( just like svg, which is xml)
[05:31:43] <tjtr33> svg renders cuz (if) you get a valid descritptor link
[05:32:58] <joebog> thanks tjtr33
[05:33:26] <joebog> thats prolly why I bought new motor drivers, albiet too small it seems
[05:35:23] <joebog> I nwill still "give it a go" as is, I may need to enlarge the motors anyway !!
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[05:36:18] <joebog> it COULD be why the engraver was sold in the first place
[05:37:01] <joebog> apart from table damage I cannot find ANY bearings worn, NOR any play in any parts ( apart from manual feedscrews)
[05:37:40] <joebog> they are all split nuts on ajax threads
[05:40:00] <tjtr33> joebog, the amps look useful, the 8 screw pins will map somewhat to the 7 on page 16. ( i dunno where motor power & gnd come in, nor where logic power & gnd come in ) )
[05:40:46] <tjtr33> the output side seems to be a vertical pcb, would likely have the motor connectors at the end exiting the chassis.
[05:40:57] <joebog> I can and will nut that out tjt, I will keep you posted
[05:41:01] <tjtr33> motor power & gnd may com in from that vert pcb
[05:41:19] <joebog> the power transformer even if running 2 teslas is only about 300 watts
[05:41:23] <tjtr33> very nice rotary axis, good pc of kit
[05:41:27] <joebog> its NOT a big system to start with
[05:41:48] <joebog> I think its a failed upgrade from a trafelyte engraver
[05:43:17] <joebog> the best thing I can see, out of the whole show, is that the actual engraving machine is typical of MOST pommie machine tools !!!
[05:43:23] <joebog> buiolt like a bloody tank
[05:44:01] <joebog> and shows no wear or "tight spots" in any of the driven axis
[05:44:31] <joebog> mind you !!! all the belts were on "backwards" when it was received
[05:45:09] <joebog> by backwards I mean that the driving belt was above the driven belt, exactly the opposite of what should be
[05:45:22] <joebog> so both belts were crawling up the pulleys
[05:45:52] <tjtr33> pommie prisoner of mother england HEY we dunno this stuff!
[05:45:54] <joebog> and rubbing on the pulley faces
[05:46:10] <joebog> its prisoner of her majesty :D
[05:46:28] <joebog> POHM = prisoner of her majesty
[05:46:28] <tjtr33> in chicago it dont mean squat!
[05:46:42] <joebog> :)
[05:46:56] <tjtr33> it does look liake a nice machine
[05:47:04] <joebog> it is
[05:47:36] <joebog> its JUST an engraver but arms and bearings are huge and all made of nice cast steel and cast iron for the base
[05:47:59] <joebog> weighs almost 1 tonne
[05:48:06] <joebog> or a tad OVER a yank ton
[05:48:06] <tjtr33> i think you can drive it off a parport (may need opto isolation ) and i think you can suss out the amps ( suss i heard of ;)
[05:48:23] <joebog> yah
[05:48:32] <joebog> I built BIG amps before
[05:48:59] <joebog> like 200 amp amplifiers for driving 50 HP motors for radio satelite dishes
[05:49:02] <joebog> way way back
[05:49:17] <uw> sound fancy
[05:49:33] <joebog> I have bought some amps and an intreface from cncgeeker.com
[05:49:45] <joebog> its JUST to test its "wortheeness"
[05:49:53] <joebog> not the final article
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[05:50:48] <joebog> it will be used to make small gun parts and engrave barrels etc
[05:51:02] <joebog> it wont be worked hard
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[05:52:30] <joebog> maybe to chequer stocks if the indexer works well
[05:52:36] <joebog> BUT thats to be seen
[05:52:59] <tjtr33> take better care of the work table than the last guy. wtf did they do to it! an engraver and the work table is scarred up nasty
[05:53:44] <tjtr33> rest of machine is pretty, i like the green hammer-tone
[05:58:26] <tjtr33> joebog: score! http://www.wallawalla.edu/academics/departments/engineering/students/classes/engr480/docs/Steppers/IM483.pdf
[05:59:21] <joebog> yup I have the link, and saved the pages
[05:59:29] <joebog> thanks tjt
[06:00:27] <tjtr33> np best o luck
[06:00:33] <tjtr33> gnite
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[06:54:34] <DJ9DJ> moin
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[07:18:55] <joebog> its quiet at this time !!! YET its just before dinner for me :) 17:18 hours now, saturday afternoon
[07:21:16] <archivist> quiet unless there is a question to answer
[07:29:08] <joebog> yep thats true !!!
[07:29:26] <joebog> I only joined today and have tripled my knowledge already
[07:30:04] <joebog> http://s80.photobucket.com/user/amp_mangler/library/linuxcnc_fitting
[07:30:19] <joebog> Im going to fit that engraver up in the next week or two
[07:30:43] <joebog> I have already learned heaps about driver boards and motors
[07:32:01] <joebog> the existing installation is woeful to say the least !!!
[07:32:31] <joebog> PLUS the software for that interface starts at $1500 and top of the line is over $7000
[07:32:51] <joebog> and its STILL just letters and numbers
[07:33:09] <joebog> the engraver will take its place as a baby mill and picture engraver
[07:33:16] <joebog> IF I can make it work :D
[07:33:41] <WalterN> archivist: know of a database program thing that would be good for storing order dates, prices, quantity, CNC programs... etc.?
[07:34:34] <archivist> I use mysql for various things
[07:35:01] <WalterN> meh
[07:35:12] <WalterN> I don't really want to write my own software :P
[07:35:21] <joebog> :D
[07:35:27] <joebog> change to windows then
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[07:35:45] <WalterN> how would that help?
[07:35:48] <joebog> its cheap as chips and only requires replacing the hard drive every 6 weeks :D
[07:36:15] <archivist> usually all the apps are web based and miss out the useful extra like you want of design storage
[07:36:25] <joebog> I dont know how much the program would be
[07:36:44] <WalterN> archivist: what? why would I want a web based program thing?
[07:36:54] <archivist> I have seen prices.....
[07:37:08] <WalterN> where I work right now we have something called E2
[07:37:16] <WalterN> but it sucks and its bloody expensive
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[07:37:26] <WalterN> and windows only
[07:37:45] <archivist> WalterN, I have been searching, easiest way to make something multiuser is use a web server
[07:38:08] <archivist> ERP is what you are asking for
[07:38:30] <WalterN> a web server... as in apache, port 80 kind of web server?
[07:38:35] <archivist> yes
[07:38:57] <joebog> PLUS if its using windowz security all your data is freely available to everybody
[07:38:58] <archivist> its usually the first thing I add to a box
[07:39:01] <WalterN> have a linky?
[07:39:10] <joebog> YOU buy the program and everybody else uses it :)
[07:40:07] <joebog> sorry :( but I do HATE windowz with a passion !!!
[07:40:37] <archivist> WalterN, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ERP_software_packages
[07:41:05] <archivist> I am nearly a windaz free zone
[07:41:29] <WalterN> with freeCAD and pyCAM... might be able to come close...
[07:41:46] <WalterN> depending on how well they work
[07:41:52] <joebog> the CLOSEST thing I have to windows are the openings in the walls of the house, fitted with movable glass sheets
[07:42:07] <archivist> pycam has speed issues from what I hear
[07:42:13] <joebog> I have 5 PC's
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[07:42:24] <joebog> ALL run one version of linux or another
[07:42:37] <joebog> has been since I swapped back 13 years ago
[07:42:38] <WalterN> what do you mean speed issues?
[07:42:45] <archivist> I do some work for a window company (website)
[07:42:52] <joebog> I did learn Unix at uni in the early 70's
[07:42:53] <archivist> slow
[07:43:22] <joebog> compared to what archivist ?
[07:43:56] <joebog> it took almost 5 hours to format a 500 gig hard drive under XP yesterday
[07:43:58] <archivist> anything taking a day should be regarded as slow
[07:44:00] <joebog> that kind of slow ??
[07:44:10] <joebog> ahh
[07:44:19] <joebog> I see you are on my level
[07:44:26] <joebog> :D
[07:45:11] <archivist> one day I shall try and get back to looking at APT
[07:45:20] <WalterN> oh gosh
[07:45:22] <joebog> easy as !!!!
[07:45:26] <WalterN> archivist: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tryton
[07:45:29] <WalterN> looking at that
[07:45:30] <WalterN> and
[07:45:31] <joebog> BEST ever package manager !!!
[07:45:43] <WalterN> this looks really good
[07:45:50] <joebog> looking
[07:46:54] <joebog> the intro sounds good , Ill agree !!!
[07:47:34] <archivist> I used to be the admin for a manufacturing co hence knew the magic ERP name to look for
[07:47:52] <archivist> I looked, saw python and pg ew
[07:48:00] <WalterN> what?
[07:48:39] <joebog> pg ew ???
[07:48:43] <joebog> WTF is that ?
[07:49:02] <archivist> pg=postgresql nickname
[07:49:08] <WalterN> oh
[07:49:15] <WalterN> whats wrong with that?
[07:49:17] <joebog> :) he said grinning
[07:49:28] <joebog> you must speak svaydish !!!
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[07:50:33] <joebog> here its pronounced postgresk
[07:51:11] <joebog> nothing at all Walter !!!
[07:51:15] <joebog> its rock solid
[07:51:40] <archivist> but lacks index hints by design
[07:51:48] <joebog> after all its been around since Jesus played fullback for Jerusalem
[07:52:01] <WalterN> archivist: is there a better one?
[07:52:14] <joebog> NOT that I am aware of !!
[07:52:20] <archivist> better what
[07:52:24] <joebog> BUT Im not really software aware
[07:52:38] <WalterN> archivist: I'm kinda passively looking at this stuff because I'm probably going to be buying this machine shop sometime soonish
[07:52:50] <WalterN> used to work at the shop for a few years
[07:53:27] <WalterN> but the guy does not know about anything computers, so it really needs a nice place to store all that stuff
[07:53:31] <archivist> does it already have some erp or is it still shuffling paper
[07:54:11] <archivist> how many people
[07:54:13] <WalterN> combo between paper and a collection of 8char CNC program filenames carried over from his DOS days
[07:54:32] <WalterN> enh, like 3 ever work there
[07:54:53] <WalterN> when I was working there it was me, another guy, the boss and his wife
[07:55:22] <WalterN> for most of the time... on occasion there would be another person tossed in the mix
[07:56:00] <archivist> there is a fine line between improving efficiency and fighting the computer, if starting out then it may be worth it
[07:56:20] <WalterN> yeah, right now there is nothing
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[07:56:49] <archivist> down load a few ERP things and try them
[07:56:49] <WalterN> thats why I'm starting to keep an eye out for a nice system to set up
[07:57:21] <archivist> then tell me which one you settled on :)
[07:57:26] <WalterN> lol
[07:57:48] <WalterN> alright
[07:57:54] <archivist> I looked for a few seconds a couple of years ago
[07:57:56] <joebog> heh heh heh
[07:58:02] <joebog> sounds good to me :)
[07:58:04] <WalterN> heh
[07:58:46] <archivist> I did download and try one that seemed AU based car selling but seemed a bit long winded to use
[07:59:06] <joebog> If Walter fails, archivist, we wont go that way then :D
[07:59:36] <joebog> BUT I wish him well
[07:59:47] <archivist> I usually look for php mysql, I know it will run everywhere then
[07:59:56] <WalterN> yeah well
[07:59:58] <WalterN> screw PHP
[08:00:04] <WalterN> like seriously
[08:00:47] <archivist> nothing wrong with it apart from unreasonable perceptions
[08:00:57] <WalterN> erm
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[08:01:44] <joebog> and zero security !!!
[08:01:49] <WalterN> its not useful for anything outside of a webserver kind of thing, and its a poorly made language compared to its competition (python, ruby, etc.)
[08:01:58] <archivist> all languages have holes
[08:02:16] <WalterN> where its competition is actually useful outside of webserver stuff
[08:02:18] <joebog> NOT as big as PHP
[08:03:43] <archivist> I do some evil file conversion work with php
[08:05:28] <joebog> OK all :) thanks for the chat !
[08:05:37] <joebog> Ill be back tomorrow its dinner time
[08:05:47] <joebog> at least in northern australia
[08:06:00] <joebog> bye for now
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[08:06:35] <WalterN> hmm
[08:06:41] <WalterN> I could do bar codes :3
[08:07:11] <WalterN> though not terribly useful for me
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[08:09:04] <WalterN> archivist: http://www.shoptech.com/ is what the shop I work at right now uses... how they managed to find such a piece of garbage software I have no idea...
[08:09:40] <archivist> my booke/collection system has barcodes
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[08:12:09] <archivist> so I could know where my calipers were if I updated each time I wandered around the house
[08:12:25] <WalterN> lol
[08:12:35] <archivist> http://www.collection.archivist.info/searchv13.php?searchstr=mitutoyo
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[08:12:47] <archivist> see bcode column
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[08:14:03] <archivist> but realise the effort of entering all the data
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[08:19:57] <WalterN> this one looks pretty good too... http://ofbiz.apache.org/
[08:20:15] <WalterN> uses java and apache
[08:25:31] <WalterN> time to pass out in bed
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[08:31:30] <archivist> WalterN, it has unit of measure, very important in manufacturing
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[12:28:08] <cnc-lathe> hello everyone
[12:29:18] <cnc-lathe> Short question: in the Axis GUI how can I configure the amount of spindle speed increase/decrease for the spindle speed plus/minus buttons
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[12:46:56] <Tecan> one million dollars
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[13:32:26] <cnc-lathe> Short question: in the Axis GUI how can I configure the amount of spindle speed increase/decrease for the spindle speed plus/minus buttons
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[13:44:00] <JT-Shop> change the program
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[14:00:30] <cradek> cnc-lathe: unfortunately that is compiled in and you can't configure it (without rebuilding)
[14:03:51] <cradek> cnc-lathe: but you can always get the exact speed you want with M3 S678
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[14:14:31] <cnc-lathe> thank you for your answer
[14:15:12] <cradek> the increase/decrease increment should be configurable from the ini file - if you can fix that I'd be happy to review your patch.
[14:19:54] <jthornton> is that done in axis.py?
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[14:22:55] <cradek> no
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[14:23:10] <cradek> it's not an AXIS issue at all
[14:23:27] <cradek> (it's not a GUI issue)
[14:24:44] <cnc-lathe> do you know the place where it is done?
[14:26:14] <cradek> yes, it's the handling of the SPINDLE_INCREASE and SPINDLE_DECREASE messages in the motion controller
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[14:38:11] <ktchk> Hi Kimk
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[14:52:00] <Tecan> http://i.imgur.com/a5EynW2.png
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[14:54:51] <zultron> WalterN, I'm looking hard at tryton for ERP too. Hope to integrate OpenPLM for managing product documents.
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[15:17:02] <WalterN> zultron: oh nice... think it will do everything you want?
[15:17:41] <WalterN> zultron: what is OpenPLM?
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[15:21:16] <WalterN> oh, its like an SVN for CAD|G-code|related stuff?
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[15:34:47] <archivist> WalterN, a review of the triton docs is a bit odd, try reading about BOM from http://doc.tryton.org/2.8/modules/production/doc/index.html
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[15:37:21] <WalterN> archivist: why am I reading this specifically?
[15:37:55] <archivist> bill of materials is crucial to production and manufacturing
[15:38:09] <WalterN> inputs is tooling, outputs is products, the rest is... probably used for larger orders
[15:38:35] <archivist> inputs is 3 inches of bar per valve
[15:39:04] <WalterN> oh, raw material... not tooling?
[15:39:14] <archivist> yes materials
[15:40:10] <archivist> you could also put a few inserts as a part of a production of an item
[15:40:23] <WalterN> for a large order or something yeah
[15:40:54] <archivist> specially if you want the purchasing to keep tips in stock
[15:41:07] <WalterN> a large portion of the stuff that the shop does is walk in 'my machine broke and I need a replacement part' kind of things
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[15:42:14] <WalterN> not sure if it would be helpful for that kind of thing
[15:42:38] <WalterN> but it would be for the production stuff
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[15:46:54] <archivist> all depends on ones company and what expansion plans you have
[15:47:01] <WalterN> yeah
[15:47:09] <WalterN> big plans thats for sure
[15:47:31] <archivist> dreams, we all have them
[15:47:40] <WalterN> need to buy the shop first though...
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[15:55:30] <zultron> WalterN, I thought I saw you wishing for a place to upload design documents.
[15:56:03] <zultron> PLM software keeps track of those, and things like product or part revisions, etc.
[15:56:41] <zultron> It's sort of like ERP for R&D, maybe....
[15:57:14] <WalterN> yeah
[15:57:44] <WalterN> zultron: does tryton not have that built in?
[15:58:13] <archivist> where I used to work we got the assembly program modded to disassemble, buy in a printer, take it to bits add main proneter new box, new rom and other bits
[15:59:14] <archivist> and it added typos like me, assmebly was the standard one
[15:59:29] <WalterN> what?
[16:00:08] <WalterN> an assembly program to buy a printer?
[16:00:11] <archivist> taking an item to bits and parting it to stock bins
[16:00:32] <zultron> Tryton is pretty generic ERP. It'll keep track of your vendors, orders, inventory, customers, sales, shipments, accounting, etc.
[16:00:35] <archivist> the company was a printer "manufacturer"
[16:01:02] <zultron> But keeping track of design documents is out of scope for regular ERP systems.
[16:01:11] <WalterN> hmm
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[16:01:47] <archivist> often the bom/assembly is poor in some of the systems I have looked at
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[16:03:36] <archivist> and the unit of measure is very important there, taking a ton "bundle" of bar and using a bar 3" a time to make something
[16:04:11] <WalterN> http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/health/2012-04/pngbijxDExdLO.png
[16:05:05] <WalterN> this looks like a software package that will take a week to figure out and set up
[16:05:22] <archivist> it is never simple with erp
[16:06:35] <WalterN> and then a month later, still learning new things about it
[16:06:59] <archivist> month...years
[16:07:03] <WalterN> yeah
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[16:07:21] <archivist> bit like ...linuxcnc :)
[16:07:37] <WalterN> I havent had a chance to use that either :-x
[16:07:47] <WalterN> I will though :3
[16:07:57] <WalterN> soon (tm)
[16:08:09] <WalterN> zultron: is there a specific reason why you are going with tryton?
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[16:10:00] <zultron> Mainly that tryton is the most competitive-looking ERP system written in python.
[16:10:40] <archivist> python same reason I would avoid :)
[16:10:50] <zultron> I plan to do various levels of integration with other bits, (like PLM), and everything else I do is in python.
[16:10:54] <archivist> that and BOM docs
[16:11:14] <WalterN> python is good
[16:11:36] <WalterN> there is a ruby one too, though thats for stuff like colleges
[16:11:50] <zultron> python, ruby, perl, php, all good.
[16:11:58] <WalterN> s/php//
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[16:12:39] <zultron> Once you get a critical mass of components all running a particular language, it's good to stick with it.
[16:12:54] <WalterN> zultron: what about this one? http://ofbiz.apache.org/
[16:13:13] <zultron> I avoid java.
[16:13:30] <WalterN> its better than PHP
[16:13:32] <zultron> That pretty much knocks out most of the FOSS ERP implementations. :)
[16:13:36] <archivist> took ages to find its a java database too
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[16:14:46] <WalterN> python is better, I'll agree on that
[16:15:54] <archivist> whenever I have tried any java thing it has been slowish
[16:16:24] <WalterN> I made a multi-threaded program once in java
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[16:16:53] <archivist> I make threads in steel and brass
[16:16:56] <WalterN> it wasent too bad... except for the GUI part... making a GUI in java kinda sucks
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[16:52:22] <IchGuckLive> hi all B)
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[17:22:09] <IchGuckLive> this is maybe the summer hole of CNC buikders
[17:22:17] <IchGuckLive> no commanding posts for days
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[17:23:07] <IchGuckLive> ot they all at Burningman in nevada
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[17:38:53] <IchGuckLive> im off for today by
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[17:49:07] <zultron> WalterN, I don't really do the language/distro/editor wars thing. The python choice comes down to all my other stuff already in python or with good bindings (FreeCAD, PyCAM, LinuxCNC, + a lot of other infrastructure I run).
[17:51:09] <zultron> I avoid java just because it's very heavy. I ran zimbra at a previous company for about 20 users, and it needed 2GB RAM. That won't work on the cheap VPS hosting I use.
[17:51:37] <skunkworks> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m_wdydydT4g
[17:51:50] <skunkworks> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nmt5zrdJukk
[17:52:27] <skunkworks> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CSgnfFnW1Zo
[17:53:14] <skunkworks> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jwMV_MGxmyM
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[17:54:30] <Tom_itx> youtube fix for the day?
[17:55:19] <cradek> how many computers and how many minutes does it take to start linuxcnc?
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[18:28:37] * Loetmichel should order a new "chain kit" for his motorcycle... i think ists NOT good when i can lift the chain on the rear sprocket enough to put my finger under while the chain is locked in at the top and bottom of the sprocket... ;-)
[18:29:03] <Loetmichel> ... a bit over the maintainance interval i think ;-)
[18:29:27] <Chemeleon> cant just remove a link or two I guess?
[18:30:09] <Loetmichel> Chemeleon: the sprocket and the chain is SO worn that the chain can move nearly half a link in the sprocket...
[18:30:26] <Loetmichel> i dont think shortening the chain will do any good here ;-)
[18:30:36] <Chemeleon> heh, yea, sounds like you're due to replace a few bits :)
[18:31:43] <Loetmichel> the 50cc cycle is build in 1993... seems it has never seen a new chain since then ;)
[18:31:51] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=14283&g2_imageViewsIndex=1
[18:32:12] <Chemeleon> nice :)
[18:32:18] <Loetmichel> "shrunken harley" ;-)
[18:34:00] <Loetmichel> allowd top speed: 50kph, reak (gps) top speed: ~85kph ;-)
[18:34:04] <Loetmichel> real
[18:35:14] <Loetmichel> and costs nearly nothing: 60 eur insurance a year, no tax, and about 65 to 70 mpg ;-)
[18:35:27] <Chemeleon> very nice
[18:35:32] <Loetmichel> so the ideal commuter cycle
[18:35:42] <Chemeleon> I pay around that per month to insure my xterra, and mpg is a small fraction of that
[18:36:04] <Chemeleon> I've toyed with learning to ride a motorcycle a few times, but generally if I'm driving somewhere, its to pick something up, groceries or building materials or whatever
[18:36:07] <Chemeleon> too much to carry on a bike
[18:36:34] <jdh> to many 80 year old ladies in cadillacs.
[18:36:43] <Loetmichel> my car is a opel Omega caravan... so plenty of room there
[18:37:12] <Loetmichel> but to commute the 12km to and from the company every day: perfect (when the sun shines ;-)
[18:37:57] <Loetmichel> jdh: weakling. drive with open eyes and "breaking ready" ;-)
[18:38:32] <Loetmichel> i have commuted to work with THIS for about three years... -> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=3794
[18:38:59] <Loetmichel> ... full year including winter... and ONE way to the old company was 42km through the woods
[18:39:12] <Loetmichel> -> 2 hrs every day on the scooter
[18:40:02] <Loetmichel> and EVERY of the countles times i did a faceplant was self-inflicted
[18:41:01] <Loetmichel> i.e breaking in a corner when there were wet leaves or oil or miscalculating the speed that "works" around a corner and such accidents
[18:41:10] <jdh> cl
[18:41:29] <Loetmichel> NO old ladys in Caddilacs (an none in fords or opels or vws or beamers, either ;-)
[18:41:40] <Chemeleon> mopeds around here are scary
[18:41:50] <Chemeleon> usually they're only driven by people that have lost their license for one reason or another
[18:41:56] <jdh> dui cycles
[18:41:56] <Loetmichel> hrhr
[18:42:01] <Chemeleon> naturally, its never their fault...
[18:42:06] <Chemeleon> </sarcasm>
[18:42:11] <Loetmichel> i HAVE a drivers license
[18:42:23] <Chemeleon> yea, not saying you dont, sorry if it came across that way :)
[18:42:27] <Loetmichel> and had it when i was driving the scooter
[18:42:37] <Loetmichel> but not enough money for a big car
[18:42:54] <Chemeleon> just around here, best to keep a very careful eye on moped drivers, at best they tend to be bad drivers, at worst they dont think the rules apply
[18:42:58] <Loetmichel> Chemeleon: USA?
[18:43:00] <Loetmichel> which state?
[18:43:01] <Chemeleon> yea
[18:43:03] <Chemeleon> SC
[18:43:10] <Loetmichel> ??
[18:43:17] <Chemeleon> sorry, south carolina
[18:43:25] <Loetmichel> <- german, dont know the abberations ;-)
[18:43:26] <Chemeleon> and in a little town thats been dieing off the past few decades since the mills around here closed up
[18:43:37] <Chemeleon> yea, was just habit, realized that right after I hit enter :)
[18:43:46] <Loetmichel> <- is looking in google maps wqhere in america SC is ;-)
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[18:44:19] <jdh> it's down there ->
[18:44:32] <Loetmichel> ah, nearby florida, at least the weather should be ok to drive scooters/moppeds
[18:45:10] <jdh> there's a whole state between it and florida.
[18:45:31] <Chemeleon> yea, we get seasons, but winters are usually fairly mild
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[18:45:37] <Chemeleon> and summers rarely break triple digits
[18:46:03] <Chemeleon> this past spring was super rainy though
[18:46:22] <Chemeleon> may (I think, might have been april or june) we were up 20" of rainfall over the norm
[18:46:32] <Chemeleon> we were getting .5-1" of rain every day for a month
[18:46:50] <Loetmichel> Chemeleon: i can remeber to break the 42km commute in to halfs at a gas station to get a hot coffee and thaw the fingers... because 1 hr on a scooter @ -10 °c and icy rain WILL freeze you ;-)
[18:47:26] <Chemeleon> heh, I bet :)
[18:49:13] <Loetmichel> ... not to mentoin the "slight" effects rain has when it hits a tarmac that is at -10°c ;-)
[18:49:32] <Loetmichel> slight slide effects that is ;-)
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[18:51:04] <Loetmichel> the record a few years ago was about -21°c ... but dry and only a foot or so snow. was nice to drive a scooter actually, had the right gloves and everything was fine ;-)
[18:51:19] <Chemeleon> snow is really rare here
[18:51:38] <Chemeleon> maybe 1-3" in the northern part of the state where I am, go an hour south and its rarely more than flurries every couple years
[18:51:50] <Chemeleon> and they dont deal with frozen water real well around here
[18:51:57] <Loetmichel> i can imagine
[18:52:10] <Chemeleon> a couple years ago, a lot of schools were shut down, because the weather people predicited a chance of flurries the next day
[18:52:25] <Chemeleon> we didnt even get that much, but the schools had already made the call to shutdown the day before :)
[18:52:40] <Loetmichel> we have REAL WINTERS over here. and the ppl STILL unlearn how to drive as sun as the first snow flakes hit the ground ;-)
[18:53:01] <Chemeleon> heh, yea
[18:53:24] <Chemeleon> my xterra handles slushy roads really well, two winters ago we got a couple inches, and I could drive around as if the roads were clear
[18:53:46] <Chemeleon> but some lady in a sedan still managed to rear end me with a 30' gap while I was sitting at a stop sign
[18:53:57] <Chemeleon> though she just hit my trailer hitch, not a scratch or dent on my car
[18:54:02] <Chemeleon> big impression on her bumper of my hitch
[18:54:12] * Loetmichel is driving a "beast" with rear drive and VERY bad tires. (beast for germans, to americans its a small car i suppose)
[18:54:32] <Chemeleon> heh
[18:54:34] <Loetmichel> ans STILL i had no accident in the last 13 years
[18:54:50] <Loetmichel> and STILL can go up and down the hills over here in winter ;-)
[18:55:00] <Chemeleon> xterra is basically a suv built on a truck chassis (whereas most suv's now are built on car chassis), RWD in my case
[18:55:16] <Chemeleon> and at the time, I'd just put some very good tires on it a few months prev
[18:55:35] <Loetmichel> Chemeleon: opel Omega: http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=11969
[18:55:42] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=11675
[18:55:43] <Chemeleon> normally wouldnt buy expensive tires, but had a really big discount that had a minimum price to hit for it to kick in, that made the most expensive tires cheaper than the cheapest :)
[18:55:51] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=11678
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[18:56:03] <Chemeleon> that'd be decent sized around here too I guess
[18:56:13] <Chemeleon> definitely not the biggest thing around, but bigger than most sedans at least
[18:56:16] <Loetmichel> ~5 meters longiirc
[18:58:52] <Loetmichel> ah, paperwork says: 4898mm by 1776mm by 1505mm (l*w*h) and 1733kg empty :)
[18:59:39] <Loetmichel> ah, i think it was called Caddilac catera in the USA
[19:00:40] <Loetmichel> but never solt there as a hatchback i think
[19:00:42] <Loetmichel> sold
[19:01:25] <Loetmichel> s/hatchback/staion wagon
[19:02:46] <Jymmm> PCW: yo
[19:03:08] <Jymmm> pcw_home: yoyo
[19:05:12] <Loetmichel> but what i wanted to say: being a front motor/rear light/rear drive car and having very cheap tires on it it thends to "drift" a little in the corners... so i often look otu the drivers side window to see the street in winter.
[19:05:19] <Loetmichel> you get used to it.
[19:06:23] <Loetmichel> the other traffic participants not so much... have seen my share of wide open eyes and mouths ;-)
[19:06:52] <Loetmichel> and STILL hat no accidents the last decade or so ;-)
[19:08:20] <CaptHindsight> we used to see how far we could keep the car going sideways on snowy streets when we were in HS
[19:09:35] <CaptHindsight> and parking brakes were to be pulled unexpectedly on the driver around corners
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[19:18:31] <Loetmichel> CaptHindsight: here is germany. streets tend to be a bit smaller ;-)
[19:19:57] <Jymmm> s/DE/EU/
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[19:24:51] <Loetmichel> for example: my driveway is 22cm wider than the mirrors of my car ;-)
[19:25:46] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=10135 <- makes for a good knowledge of the car size ;-)
[19:26:04] <Loetmichel> ( the car there on the end is my Omega)
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[19:43:09] <PCW> yoyoyo
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[20:19:48] <joebog> good morning all
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[20:31:40] <RifRaf> could you guys recommend plans for a decent home cnc router, maybe 500x500 bed, to machine aluminium composites and maybe solid aluminium plate as well
[20:32:24] <RifRaf> have access to a large router and hoping to use it to cut some parts
[20:32:27] <andypugh> Chap I know has just accidentally entered 0.2 as a tool number in GScreen. That led to the turret twirling elndlessly. He then made the error of turning off the air, and now the turret is firmly jammed at 45 degrees. Any unsticking-ideas? It's a Hardinge HXL..
[20:32:49] <andypugh> RifRaf: The Mechmate seems popular
[20:33:28] <RifRaf> andypugh, cheers, will have a look
[20:33:30] <cradek> it has one airmotor for lift-and-rotate. if he turns the air back on and issues a tool change, it oughta just work
[20:33:34] <joebog> morning andy
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[20:33:44] <andypugh> I think he has tried that.
[20:33:50] <cradek> yeah you'd think
[20:34:06] <andypugh> I suspect it has pulled down on the squiff and jammed internally :-(
[20:34:45] <joebog> http://s80.photobucket.com/user/amp_mangler/library/linuxcnc_fitting
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[20:34:57] <joebog> theres those photos of the Cipher machine
[20:36:21] <andypugh> Looks like a relatively "classic" one-driver-per motor setup.
[20:37:26] <joebog> after you left yesterday Captain identified the driver boards
[20:37:53] <joebog> AND found that the boards I bought are in fact 1.5 amps RMS and 2.5 amps peak !!!
[20:38:01] <joebog> bloody yank ratings !!
[20:38:21] <andypugh> You know that that engraver is technically a SCARA robot?
[20:38:54] <joebog> nope :) never heard the word before yesterday
[20:38:57] <andypugh> And somebody has grafted a cartesian frame on top to drive it.
[20:39:31] <andypugh> It would be really cool (and a ton more work) to drive the joints directly :-)
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[20:39:55] <joebog> to start with Ill get it running
[20:40:18] <joebog> afterwards, and depending on how much drama I have that may in fact happen
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[20:40:50] <joebog> I have a manual copy machine also to perhaps work on
[20:41:00] <joebog> that would definately be worth doing
[20:41:09] <joebog> about the same size and weight
[20:41:37] <joebog> by weight I would guesstimate a ton
[20:41:53] <joebog> 'english ton not 2000 lbs
[20:42:11] <andypugh> I suspect that the only things that would work as joint motors would be harmonic drives. But it wouls be a lot neater.
[20:42:32] <joebog> harmonic drives ???
[20:42:45] <joebog> you sure your not on Dr Who chat ? :D
[20:42:51] <andypugh> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harmonic_drive
[20:43:50] <joebog> hhmmm almost a wankel rotary "three" stroke isnt it ?
[20:44:27] <andypugh> http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Panasonic-SERVO-AC-MOTOR-MAM012A1E-100W-Harmonic-Drive-CP-16A-11-J413A-/290962090641
[20:45:49] <joebog> $223 for me, BUT every deal I have EVER made on fleabay I have done my money and got jack sh*t back
[20:45:52] <andypugh> Hmm, not _really_ anything like a Wankel engine really. More like a vernier caliper.
[20:46:01] <joebog> paypal dont even answer bloody emails
[20:46:44] <andypugh> I have not had a problem with ebay since about 2002 when a (very badly packed) monitor arrived broken.
[20:47:12] <joebog> I wont even deal there !!!!
[20:47:21] <joebog> I ALWAYS lose :(
[20:48:16] <joebog> are they small squirrel cage motors ? or standard series motors ?
[20:48:46] <andypugh> That is probably a brushless AC servo motor.
[20:49:04] <andypugh> And by not playing the eBay game, you miss out on stuff like this: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Rivett-608-for-parts-or-restoration-/321137853023
[20:49:12] <andypugh> Which I won a few months ago.
[20:49:52] <joebog> maybe britain has a better setup
[20:50:28] <joebog> what I have been doing is calling or emailing the seller direct and using the bank to do direct deposit
[20:50:32] <andypugh> That cost $1700 new. In 1936. That's 60x as much as a Myford LM4 at the same time.
[20:50:48] <joebog> I WILL NOT use rip off a Pal
[20:51:50] <joebog> nice score !!! congrats
[20:54:33] <andypugh> To put it in perspective, £1700 that year would buy you a Tiger moth.
[20:54:47] <joebog> yup :)
[20:55:02] <joebog> and a damn nice aircraft even today
[20:55:17] <joebog> still lots flying in aus
[20:55:38] <mozmck> I want a Tiger moth, or a kr2 would do.
[20:55:51] * FinboySlick had to share this one: http://image-store.slidesharecdn.com/c678ae84-03cd-11e3-8542-22000a91e9a7-original.jpg
[20:56:44] <joebog> 10 points :D
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[20:57:22] <joebog> I saved that one
[20:57:58] <joebog> for myself mozmck I would prefer a Kania S3
[20:59:39] <mozmck> joebog: never heard of it.
[21:00:13] <joebog> Polish light aircraft from the 30,s
[21:00:21] <joebog> used as a glider tow plane
[21:00:32] <mozmck> What I have is pieces from an old Funk that I hope to use some of in a homebuilt corvair powered plane.
[21:01:48] <mozmck> Hmm, where can I find pictures/information?
[21:01:58] <joebog> while we are off topic, have a look at what you can do with CNC gear
[21:02:03] <joebog> http://www.horizonhobby.co.uk/aeroonline/e9evolution/e9_radial_engines/e9_77cc_radial_engine.html
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[21:02:07] <joebog> watch the video
[21:02:50] <mozmck> beautiful! I would love to have some time to build something like that.
[21:03:12] <mozmck> What I really want to build is a 2-cycle diesel aircraft engine.
[21:03:50] <joebog> I owned many as a kid !!!
[21:04:03] <joebog> I still do a little aircraft modelling
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[21:04:14] <mozmck> You mean RC - I mean full size - 100+ HP
[21:04:18] <andypugh> mozmck: You mean: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Napier_Nomad ? Not only is it a 2-stroke diesel, but it has an afterburner :-)
[21:04:21] <joebog> although today I use 4 strokes
[21:05:25] <joebog> I have helped build a few untra lights !!! usually with Subaru turbo engines
[21:05:26] <mozmck> andypugh: that's one I've looked at for sure. The Junkers had one as well - twin crank with pistons meeting in the middle.
[21:05:34] <andypugh> Jumo
[21:05:41] <mozmck> ja
[21:05:59] <joebog> also called a "commer Knocker" mozmck
[21:06:06] <joebog> used in trucks as well
[21:06:31] <andypugh> My dad used to own a http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commer_TS3 engine
[21:06:33] <joebog> have a bad habit of starting backwards :D
[21:06:58] <mozmck> Didn't know they put them in trucks!
[21:07:16] <mozmck> There are some neat ideas out there.
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[21:07:52] <joebog> sure is !!!
[21:07:53] <mozmck> Here are a few current aircraft diesels: http://www.dair.co.uk/ http://www.deltahawkengines.com/ http://www.eco-motors.com/
[21:08:11] <joebog> the worst one invented yet though !!! is it all requires money :D
[21:09:11] <mozmck> yep
[21:09:24] <CaptHindsight> the return of coal powered flight!
[21:09:43] <joebog> I reckon steam is the way to go Capt !!
[21:10:10] <andypugh> Those TS3 trucks sound like nothing else: http://youtu.be/p8k35_153Vw
[21:10:12] <Tecan> (p8k35_153Vw) "Commer TS3 2 Stroke Taking Off" by "ts3cunningstunt" is "Autos" - Length: 0:01:03
[21:11:25] <joebog> sound same as Detroit 2 strokes
[21:12:04] <joebog> probably go gthe same too rev em till they scream and ya still have 3.5 horsepower :)
[21:12:48] <andypugh> 3 litre 100hp. So not going to set the world on fire, 'tis true.
[21:12:56] <joebog> in fact here in aus when ya have to drive one the instructions are to " drive it like ya stole it "
[21:13:06] <andypugh> 270 lbft.
[21:13:40] <joebog> I have a 2 litre diesel car that makes almost twice the horsepower and double the torque !!!
[21:13:46] <joebog> thank god for common rails
[21:14:10] <andypugh> The engine I am working on is a 2 litre 4-stroke diesel, that's 180hp and 300 lb-ft
[21:14:31] <joebog> buy yerself a Ssangyong !!!
[21:14:45] <mozmck> I would think with some of the modern stuff a 2-stroke diesel could outperform the 4-strokes
[21:14:53] <joebog> 2 litre twin cam variable cam timing variable geometry turbo common rail
[21:15:19] <joebog> car weigghs in at about 2.5 tons and I still get better than 8 l/100
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[21:15:58] <andypugh> I rather think that either this online converter I have is wrong, or you have your torque figure wrong on your Ssanyong :-)
[21:16:00] <joebog> mercedes benz design
[21:16:50] <joebog> ohh ?
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[21:19:58] <joebog> you call it a Korando sports, but here its called the Actyon sports
[21:20:08] <joebog> read the reviews !!!http://www.motortorque.com/ssangyong/korando-reviews
[21:20:25] <joebog> best car I have owned yet !!
[21:20:35] <andypugh> Aye. The TS3 was 270 lb-ft @ 1200 rpm. 540 lbs-ft would be 733Nm. That's a lot.
[21:21:25] <joebog> the SY I drive is 370 F LB
[21:21:42] <joebog> BUT its at 1900 revs
[21:22:30] <andypugh> The engine I am working on is 400 lb-ft and isn't even in production yet. I suspect that the Ssanyong might be 370Nm.
[21:22:51] <joebog> cut n paste from the review
[21:22:54] <andypugh> Sorry, I am confusing myself. The one I am working on is 400Nm.
[21:22:55] <joebog> A 2.0-litre common-rail diesel engine with 175bhp and chunky 360NM of torque, it offers decent fuel consumption and can tow two tonnes - a figure not to be sniffed at for those with horses, caravans or other towing needs - the best in the sector, according to Ssangyong.
[21:23:09] <andypugh> Yes, 360 Nm.
[21:23:25] <andypugh> 265 lb-ft. The same as the Commer.
[21:24:12] <joebog> and like mercedes alloy engines, gtheres no steel liners !!!! the pistons run direct in the high silica alloy
[21:24:36] <DJ9DJ> gn8
[21:24:44] <joebog> bye
[21:25:12] <joebog> you are building it yourself ? andy ?
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[21:25:22] <andypugh> joebog: No plating? Though plating can do this: https://www.dropbox.com/sc/y0lm638pigbs8h4/igwwV3e1qE
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[21:25:40] <andypugh> And no, I work in engine development for Ford :-)
[21:26:20] <joebog> OK
[21:26:34] <joebog> I have seen that peeling in bikes
[21:26:39] <joebog> never in cars though
[21:26:46] <andypugh> That picture is a mates R6
[21:26:58] <joebog> mind you I havent worked on too many all alloy engines
[21:27:23] <joebog> almost all of my previous cars were italian with steel liners in alloy blocks
[21:27:45] <andypugh> It's pretty wild that a family hatchback diesel is now 100hp/litre and that used to be a racing motorcycle tune back in the 80s.
[21:27:59] <joebog> correct !!!
[21:28:12] <joebog> mine is a ute twin cab
[21:28:18] <joebog> but still it flies !!!
[21:28:31] <joebog> I did hang a chip off it for a little while
[21:28:51] <joebog> but wifey couldnt take off at lights without leaving big black rubber trails
[21:28:55] <joebog> so I removed it
[21:29:15] <joebog> made the injectors rattle like crazy too
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[21:29:42] <andypugh> I wouldn't chip a modern diesel. They are hard up against piston and turbo temperature limits. It's not "emissions" that hold them back any more.
[21:30:01] <skunkworks> wow - that got hot enough to melt the piston
[21:30:09] <joebog> a couple of guys have fitted chips and EGT sensors
[21:30:20] <joebog> they still manage to stay below 550 C
[21:30:50] <skunkworks> I have only seen the aftermath of too much boost/knock on a 3 liter v6
[21:31:07] <joebog> the lil 2 litre SY engine holds 9 litres of oil and 13 litres of water ( coolant)
[21:31:29] <andypugh> That's a heck of a lot of both.
[21:31:36] <joebog> the oil is water cooled through a heat exchanger
[21:31:50] <andypugh> Lucky you live in Aus, you would never get the coolant warmed up in Finland.
[21:31:59] <joebog> AND its 100% synth so an oil change costs me $170
[21:32:15] <skunkworks> why change it... ? ;)
[21:32:20] <joebog> I run 5/30
[21:32:32] <joebog> but in the cold you supposed to run 0/30
[21:32:39] <joebog> zero ASA eeekkk
[21:32:50] <joebog> completely against the grain for me
[21:32:54] <andypugh> You get cold? I thought you were in Aus?
[21:33:00] <joebog> my Alfas used 10 litres of straight 50
[21:33:11] <andypugh> Cold is <-10C
[21:33:19] <joebog> I moved 2500 kliks north to escape the cold :)
[21:33:31] <joebog> I was born way down south in Snowy Mountains
[21:33:40] <joebog> now I live in North Queensland
[21:33:54] <joebog> like I said my name is Billy NOT bloody Silly !! :D
[21:34:23] <joebog> yah its still minus 10 down home
[21:34:28] <andypugh> At -30 you can park one of our cars up with a hot engine, leave it idling and come back in an hour to 10C coolant and -5 air out of the heater. It's an interesting side effect of the quest for more fuel efficiency.
[21:34:30] <joebog> mum and bro still live there
[21:35:10] <joebog> and tomorrow is first day of spring
[21:35:50] <andypugh> A mate of mine is heading home to Aus for a visit. This is his track: http://my.yb.tl/Aus68Delivery#help-form-inner-container I can see the next 6 weeks being interesting.
[21:36:17] <JT-Shop> that's what I thought you said andypugh
[21:36:46] <andypugh> JT-Shop: Not that I have ever tried it, but it ought to work just fine.
[21:37:19] <JT-Shop> I can't see why it would not work just fine
[21:37:20] <joebog> long way from australia in SA
[21:38:00] <andypugh> It's a fairly fast boat, and has been round the world 5 times (I think)
[21:38:27] <joebog> its plus 18 degrees here and I have big hiking socks a jumper a flannellette shirt long trousers on
[21:38:35] <joebog> and Im bloody frozen !!!
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[21:39:34] <joebog> Although I am an electrical eng, the govt said it didnt want any more engineers up here
[21:39:46] <joebog> so I retrained as a heavy lift crane operator
[21:40:11] <joebog> Im used to sitting in a crane cab in plus 45 degrees out near Mount Isa somewhere
[21:40:19] <andypugh> You gurl! I have seen Finnish kids out on scooters in trainers at -40.
[21:40:54] <joebog> and to comply with health and safety ya have to wear long sleeves and long trousers with steel cap boots
[21:41:14] <joebog> I dont need the helmet till I get out of cab
[21:42:58] <andypugh> w00t! A new toy so I can play with the Mesa SSi component (and debug the driver): http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/161092134237
[21:43:15] <andypugh> Oddly, it's crane-related
[21:43:44] <joebog> yep I saw that :)
[21:43:56] <joebog> and yer freight is almost same price as the tool
[21:44:07] <andypugh> I suspect it was cheap because the guy can't spell "Laser". In much the same way as my "Renshaw" probe was unusually cheap.
[21:44:17] <joebog> must weigh like 1/2 a ton
[21:44:42] <joebog> yeah but the guy is probably a goddam
[21:44:58] <joebog> NONE of them can spell
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[21:56:10] <joebog> you must be one of the mods here andy ?
[21:57:09] <andypugh> Not on the IRC. I moderate the Forum.
[21:57:32] <andypugh> I can do username/password stuffs though
[21:57:36] <joebog> I see
[21:58:07] <joebog> did you look at the rest of the pics in my photobucket ?
[21:58:16] <andypugh> Not all of them.
[21:58:31] <andypugh> I saw the machine (nice) and the drives and PSU (look re-usable)
[21:58:42] <joebog> tis okay, its just some of the valve gear I made and still make
[21:58:59] <andypugh> It may be that the controller drives the stepper phases directly, but LinuxCNC can do that too.
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[21:59:08] <joebog> valves as in vacuum glass bottles with electrons inside :)
[21:59:26] <joebog> PSU I have a new one
[21:59:38] <joebog> I have a 750 watt brand new toroid here
[21:59:56] <joebog> and a couple of 100,000 uF caps
[22:00:19] <joebog> Im an electrical eng remember !!
[22:00:29] <joebog> which reminds me
[22:00:45] <joebog> I have about $100,000 worth of components here
[22:00:55] <joebog> ask if ya need anything !!!
[22:01:03] <joebog> they are all descreet though
[22:01:09] <andypugh> I want to make a Steampunk CNC controller with an oak/brass console and Nixie tubes :-)
[22:01:11] <joebog> I cant see SMD stuff anymore
[22:01:26] <joebog> I have a few nixies :)
[22:01:50] <joebog> I also have about 3000 valves in stock
[22:02:00] <joebog> mostly new, but a few used and tested
[22:02:11] <andypugh> i am also, even though I rarely listen to music, tempted to buy one of the iPhone Valve-amps because the dichotomy is so amusing.
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[22:04:39] <joebog> http://s80.photobucket.com/user/amp_mangler/library/
[22:04:44] <joebog> have a look there andy
[22:04:59] <joebog> theres even a few movies of 4 wheel driving in aus
[22:06:07] <joebog> and yes I love AVO gear :)
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[22:18:29] <andypugh> I am happy with 1-wheel driving.
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