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[00:35:15] <nspiel> what is the correct way to separate wires from a ribbon cable
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[00:39:06] <andypugh> I tend to start with something sharp, then switch to something blunter.
[00:44:35] <Jymmm> redhead, then blonde?
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[00:49:02] <andypugh> The interweb says "slit then tear"
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[00:59:23] <Jymmm> IP68 Connectors
http://www.andersonpower.com/products/spec-pak-connectors.html
[00:59:58] <Tom_itx> i generally slit them with an xacto knife
[01:00:29] <Jymmm> ...and straight edge
[01:00:53] <Tom_itx> naw
[01:01:19] <Tom_itx> just try to be careful to stay in the 'valley' of the ribbons
[01:02:04] <Jymmm> says the one that has zero risk or investment =)
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[01:12:58] <Tom_itx> well.. don't try to cut a straight line when you're drunk
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[05:50:03] <nspiel> does anyone know if the 7i25 needs 12v power to work?
[05:50:30] <nspiel> mesa 7i25
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[05:58:21] <nspiel> is pcw there?
[05:58:35] <nspiel> i just wired up my whole robot arm and the 7i25s are not seemed to be powered on
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[06:20:41] <nspiel> can anyone help me troubleshoot a 7i25 mesa board
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[06:48:29] <DJ9DJ> moin
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[09:00:46] <JesusAlos> hello
[09:02:02] <JesusAlos> How can I sure wich mother board run ok with linuxcnc before buy it.
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[09:51:02] <jthornton> read on the forum about the current motherboards or take the liveCD with you to the computer shop
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[09:58:20] <Loetmichel> mornin'
[10:03:17] <jthornton> morning
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[16:00:43] <JT-Shop> I have a 1/4" round insert tool on the lathe. I'm unclear as to how to set that up... set the center of the tool and use position 9?
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[16:17:19] <JT-Shop> I think I'll try that and treat it like an end mill
[16:17:36] * JT-Shop goes to take a nap and ponder the ramifications
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[16:22:04] <kwallace2> Are you using corner radius compensation in your g-code?
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[16:27:45] <nspiel> Can anyone help me troubleshoot my mesa 7i25 boards
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[16:29:10] <nspiel> for some reason it doesnt seem like the bboards are turning on
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[16:35:15] <nspiel> anyone?
[16:38:09] <Tom_itx> JT-Shop, my cam programs the radius center
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[16:52:04] <ktchk> I install xenomai and linucnc but latency is 208029 on a Dell vostro 1510 is it usable?
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[16:59:44] <IchGuckLive> hi all B)
[17:01:16] <ktchk> IchGuckLive: I install xenomai and linucnc but latency is 208029 on a Dell vostro 1510 is it usable?
[17:02:44] <IchGuckLive> i dont think so is it a smi
[17:02:51] <IchGuckLive> did you check that
[17:03:26] <ktchk> latency test of linuxcnc
[17:05:36] <IchGuckLive> why did you go to xenomay not the livecd
[17:06:58] <ktchk> I had a 10.04 lts working fine but 12.04 lts is coming have to test it now
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[17:17:47] <IchGuckLive> ktchk: for a cnc stepepr stay with 10.04 no need to change all systems and cam CAD are running on 10.04
[17:19:37] <ktchk> Right 10.04 is ok but what will be the future?
[17:21:39] <nspiel> can anyyone help with a mesa 7i25 that is not working?
[17:22:15] <IchGuckLive> ktchk: futher is also Never change a running system as the cnc will not change
[17:23:41] <ktchk> right but laptops that can run 10.04 linuxcnc is getting less and less.
[17:24:21] <nspiel> my mesa 7i25 is getting 5, 12, and ground but none of the leds are turning on and it isnt counting encoder steps
[17:25:34] <IchGuckLive> ktchk: notbook is not a good option for linuxcnc this more mach3 stuff
[17:26:10] <ktchk> No I have 4 5 laptops running linuxcnc
[17:26:22] <IchGuckLive> i think the notebooks for linuxcnc getting cheeper and cheeper
[17:27:03] <IchGuckLive> i got only one runnig hardy xubuntu
[17:27:21] <IchGuckLive> and a mormal router tb6560
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[17:28:49] <IchGuckLive> ok im off
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[17:29:17] <ktchk> I cam run atom,celon m, amd cpu laptops with pcmcia parallel ports
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[17:36:17] <nspiel> do mesa servo driver cards just turn on when connected to n5v and 12 v and ground
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[17:38:23] <jthornton> depends on the card I'd guess
[17:38:53] <jthornton> what is a 7i25?
[17:39:01] <nspiel> i have a mesa 7i25 that is getting the right input voltages which i probed it for and the leds arent turning on
[17:39:08] <nspiel> its a dual hbridge servo driver
[17:39:16] <nspiel> http://www.mesanet.com/pdf/motion/7i25man.pdf
[17:40:54] * jthornton wonders if pcw_home is about
[17:41:20] <nspiel> yeah thats who i need
[17:42:11] <jthornton> I don't have any experience with that card so I won't guess
[17:42:55] <nspiel> any guesses could help even
[17:43:27] <archivist> reading manuals
[17:43:39] <nspiel> i already did that
[17:43:52] <archivist> systematic procedure
[17:44:41] <jthornton> what card do you have the 7i25 plugged into?
[17:44:54] <archivist> this is the bit where reading the manual you find an enable pin
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[17:50:28] <jdh> where's the fun in that.
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[17:57:06] <jthornton> Tom_itx, I guess to keep from being confused I should treat the tool as position 2 and use cutter comp
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[18:33:29] <JT-Shop> yuck, now I get Tool radius not less than arc radius with comp
[18:34:16] <Tom_itx> yeah
[18:34:24] <Tom_itx> you almost can't use too much comp
[18:34:33] <Tom_itx> you need the tool path to follow
[18:35:04] <Tom_itx> do you need a path generated?
[18:37:12] <JT-Shop> I can just offset the path by 0.125 and program that
[18:37:22] <JT-Shop> and use position 9
[18:37:42] <Tom_itx> unless you use the radius center, not the tip, it won't come out right
[18:38:38] <Tom_itx> i suppose if you can draw it .125 out from where you want it, it would
[18:39:34] <skunkworks> that is how I have done it. no cutter comp
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[18:41:49] <JT-Shop> yea, I just offset it out 0.125 and set my tool to position 9 so it follows the center I think
[18:42:10] <Tom_itx> i don't know what position 9 is but if you say so..
[18:42:21] <Tom_itx> or position 2 for that matter
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[18:47:40] <JT-Shop> position 9 means the control point is the center like an end mill
[18:47:58] <JT-Shop> http://www.linuxcnc.org/docs/html/lathe/lathe-user.html#_lathe_tool_table_a_id_sec_lathe_tool_table_a
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[18:54:50] <JT-Shop> that came out nice, just need to move the cut path about 5 thou
[18:55:38] <skunkworks> whatcha making?>
[18:56:31] <Tom_itx> chips
[18:56:51] <JT-Shop> photo in a few
[18:56:55] <Tom_itx> JT-Shop, i've never bothered to look at the lathe stuff for lcnc
[18:57:02] <Tom_itx> wasn't aware of those
[18:57:40] <JT-Shop> the alum part in the photo
http://gnipsel.com/spydercart/index.php?route=product/category&path=20
[18:58:21] <Tom_itx> they're free
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[19:06:26] <nspiel> is pcw around
[19:06:34] <nspiel> and i am still trying to trouble shoot that mesa 7i25
[19:06:52] <archivist> it is sunday
[19:07:07] <nspiel> true
[19:07:18] <nspiel> archivist do you have any ideas?
[19:07:28] <archivist> before you enable amps, have you debugged your opto cabling
[19:07:46] <nspiel> yeah it should be right
[19:08:06] <nspiel> i can try to get feedback with all the optopins with an arduino
[19:08:11] <nspiel> to make sure i wired it right
[19:08:31] * archivist has no time for arduino
[19:09:10] <archivist> scope
[19:09:24] <nspiel> i dont have one... i dont have that much money
[19:09:59] <archivist> linuxcnc has halscope
[19:10:59] <nspiel> but its the actual hardware
[19:11:34] <archivist> I know
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[19:14:35] <archivist> I remember cable shorts from the other day, this means better testing and understanding before enabling the dangerous bit
[19:15:35] <nspiel> what is the dangerous bit?
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[19:17:05] <archivist> powering the drive
[19:17:14] <nspiel> the drive isnt powered
[19:17:25] <nspiel> the driver or the actual motors
[19:17:32] <nspiel> the driver is powered but the motors arent
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[19:17:54] <archivist> an h bridge does the powering
[19:18:16] <nspiel> yeah i know
[19:18:39] <nspiel> i ran the board with only encoders hooked up but not with motors hooked up
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[19:19:27] <archivist> you also didnt mention what you did about my enable hint from earlier
[19:20:01] <nspiel> what was your enable hint? i didnt seem to get that message?
[19:20:42] <archivist> <archivist> this is the bit where reading the manual you find an enable pin
[19:22:19] <nspiel> what do u mean by enable pin? a physical pin that needs a voltage to turn the board on?
[19:22:29] <Tom_itx> to enable the hbridges
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[19:22:38] <Tom_itx> alot of drives have enable pins
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[19:23:18] <archivist> I ahve not read the manual nor do I have one, but I do expect to enable a device before i fry something
[19:23:33] <nspiel> http://www.mesanet.com/pdf/motion/7i25man.pdf
[19:24:53] <nspiel> Motor enable bits from the controller disable motor drive until specifically enabled by software.
[19:24:57] <nspiel> archivist u may be right
[19:25:49] <archivist> well what a surprise, and you claimed you had read it
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[19:26:11] <nspiel> yep
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[19:30:11] <nspiel> how do you set up enable bits in linuxcnc. I figured out how to comunicate with my 7i43 through the normal config but do i have to have a custom hal config with the right enable bits
[19:30:11] <nspiel> ?
[19:31:54] <kwallace1> Does anyone have a favorite method of keeping rapid moves from rounding corners on a direction change? I am using a rapid to get out of a groove, then to G28. I could use a dwell, but that seems a bit clumsy.
[19:32:58] <Chemeleon> I use mach3 not lcnc (I know, the horror :P ) but mach3 has settings to make sure it stops properly when an angle of movement is beyond a specified threshold, I would think it likely linuxcnc has something similar?
[19:33:03] <archivist> exact path mode for that move
[19:35:08] <archivist> http://linuxcnc.org/docs/html/gcode/gcode.html#sec:G64
[19:36:04] <nspiel> so under hal meter i found axis.0.enable.out
[19:36:09] <nspiel> is this what i set for the enables?
[19:36:16] <nspiel> they are set ot fals
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[19:42:31] <kwallace1> G64 doesn't seem to to work with G0 and G28.
[19:43:27] <nspiel> archivist do u know how to set the enable bits
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[19:59:27] <nspiel> so when i power the machine on the amp enable goes to true but the boards still do not turn on
[19:59:33] <nspiel> does this mean the enable bits are true
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[20:47:14] <JT-Shop> kwallace1: rapid out high enough to make sure you clear or use G61 if your machine has slow acceleration.
[20:47:53] <JT-Shop> archivist: G64 is path blending, G61 is exact path
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[20:49:59] <JT-Shop> skunkworks:
http://imagebin.org/268753
[20:52:25] <jesseg> Anyone know of a good free easy (pick any two as long as one is free, ha ha) program for converting stl or other solid works type files to g codes for milling out of a solid block?
[20:53:56] <JT-Shop> might as well ask for 5 axis while your at it
[20:53:59] <skunkworks> JT-Shop: cool
[20:54:06] <skunkworks> heh
[20:54:14] <skunkworks> freemill?
[20:54:22] <jesseg> let me google
[20:54:24] <JT-Shop> I had to make two fixtures to make the parts
[20:54:31] <skunkworks> does that sound right?
[20:54:39] <JT-Shop> does heekscad still work?
[20:57:41] <jesseg> skunkworks, interesting. Probably windows only but still very interesting. Free as in beer, but better because the hangover isn't so bad.
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[21:01:54] <nspiel> anyone know how to verify that enable bits are being sent to a mesa driver?
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[21:03:26] <DJ9DJ> gn8
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[21:04:28] <JT-Shop> how are you sending bits?
[21:05:04] <nspiel> i have the default config for a 7i43 small open in linuxcnc and i hit the on button and under the hal meter all the enable amp pins go to true
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[21:08:46] <JT-Shop> and you have the correct firmware loaded for your daughter board?
[21:08:59] <nspiel> yes
[21:09:05] <nspiel> the sv4-4
[21:10:11] <JT-Shop> you just passed my level of guesspertice
[21:11:22] <nspiel> its weird because i am giving the hbridge the supply voltage but it needs the enable to turn on but when i hit on in linuxcnc it doesnt do anything
[21:11:41] <nspiel> but in the halmeter the enables for the amp go to true. maybe it is another enable?
[21:13:19] <JT-Shop> are you sure the default config is correct in hal for your daughter board?
[21:13:25] <JT-Shop> which I rather doubt
[21:15:07] <nspiel> im not sure. Is there a way to verify that? I told pcw my config and he suggested to use that default config for testing. I'm not sure that i am executing the enable right though
[21:17:12] <JT-Shop> the config looks pretty generic to me and should work I ASSUME if you just change the firmware
[21:17:29] <JT-Shop> you see the enable pins in show hal configuration?
[21:20:40] <nspiel> i see emcmot.00.enable
[21:21:02] <nspiel> same for o1 and o2
[21:21:06] <nspiel> 01 AND 02
[21:22:51] <JT-Shop> that is connected to pid enable and pwmgen enable in the .hal file
[21:25:07] <nspiel> how do i set the enable to the drivers from linuxcnc?
[21:25:17] <JT-Shop> F2
[21:26:28] <JT-Shop> I don't see anywhere that the enable is connected to the drive but I'm guessing
[21:26:57] <nspiel> http://www.mesanet.com/pdf/motion/7i25man.pdf
[21:27:05] <nspiel> its through a physical pin
[21:27:09] <nspiel> 23 and 24
[21:27:25] <nspiel> ive been using f2 but it hasnt been working
[21:32:49] <JT-Shop> that looks like a 50 pin connector to the 7i43
[21:35:55] <JT-Shop> anyway I've just been guessing and I've run out of guesses based on the information I have and what I know about that board (0)
[21:44:05] <cradek> hey all, beware, I've changed the wiki password because of a huge recent increase in the spam problem.
[21:44:18] <cradek> there is a notice at the top of the front page
[21:45:39] <Tom_itx> JT-Shop, that's pretty
[21:46:59] <Tom_itx> nspiel, leds make excellent debugging tools
[21:47:33] <Tom_itx> JT-Shop, how did you cut the inside?
[21:48:30] <Tom_itx> a lathe op and a mill op?
[21:49:53] <nspiel> im not sure the correct route to go with leds as a debiugging tool?
[21:50:10] <nspiel> should i just hit the enable in linuxcnc and check that the enable pin on the 7i25 goes to high
[21:50:16] <Tom_itx> you'll know what state the signal is in
[21:50:17] <nspiel> and if so its not the enable that is the problem
[21:50:20] <nspiel> yeah
[21:50:43] <JT-Shop> Tom_itx: toss some material in the mill and mill the inside profle... put in fixture mill, drill, tap back side... put in another fixture and turn the face in the lathe
[21:51:25] <Tom_itx> if you weren't concerned about the face finish you could do it all in the mill with a radius cutter
[21:52:01] <JT-Shop> nspiel: if you can't catch Peter here start a topic on the forum, at least you can follow it better there
[21:52:30] <JT-Shop> give as much info as you can including zipping a copy of the config files your using and attach that to the post
[21:52:39] <nspiel> is peter = pcw?
[21:52:41] <Tom_itx> i always find it interesting how ppl approach holding parts and fixturing
[21:52:45] <JT-Shop> aye
[21:52:53] <nspiel> thanks jt-shop
[21:53:11] <JT-Shop> Tom_itx: is was not the best fixtures I've made but they work lol
[21:53:16] * Tom_itx munches on homebrew bierocks
[21:53:42] * JT-Shop wanders out to the FES meeting
[21:54:03] <Tom_itx> whatever gets the job done...
[21:54:40] <Tom_itx> i've seen some pretty elaborate steel fixtures done by companies we did work for that didn't work nearly as good as the ones we came up with
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[21:56:09] <JT-Shop> yea low production item = simple fixture that takes a minute longer to swap parts...
[21:57:15] <Tom_itx> do you rigid tap the holes?
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[23:28:47] <nspiel> so i just probed the enable pins going to the 7i25s from the 7i43 and they go to low when i start linuxcnc and are at high before i start it
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[23:42:17] <pcw_home> Thats as it should be
[23:42:50] <nspiel> hi pcw. i hooked up my 7i25 drivers to the 7i43 and they are not reading encoder tics and the leds are not lighting up
[23:45:00] <nspiel> i probed the output to the encoders and it is getting 5v on each of the sides of the boards
[23:50:10] <nspiel> how can i tell if the 7i25 is working?
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