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[04:27:38] <spack> apparently i just bought a bostomatics 315
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[04:27:46] <spack> any bostomatics people here?
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[05:39:01] <NickParker> so i ordered my 6i25 thursday afternoon and it got to me today around noon
[05:39:04] <NickParker> im impressed
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[06:18:38] <KimK_1> spack: Maybe I can help a little, I don't know the model numbers, what is a 315?
[06:20:51] <awallin> ?
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Used-Bostomatic-CNC-Vertical-Machining-Center-/321004395296
[06:36:41] <awallin> hmm
http://www.freesteel.co.uk/wpblog/2013/08/five-axis-fly/
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[07:21:45] <DJ9DJ> moin
[07:27:19] <mrsun> hmm what can it be when i do not get a plot of the part in linuxcnc?
[07:27:26] <mrsun> it runs the parts fine
[07:27:33] <mrsun> but i do not get the lines outlining the part =)
[07:27:36] <mrsun> the backplot i get
[07:47:53] <awallin> you should see the toolpath
[07:48:22] <awallin> possibly the part-outline if your g-code uses tool-offset
[07:48:36] <archivist> just zoom out far enough to see it and get it in the window
[07:53:13] <mrsun> awallin, only thing i see is the backplot of where the tool has been
[07:53:43] <archivist> click the broom
[07:53:44] <mrsun> archivist, but i can see the lines for where the tool has been and its aligned in the window so i can follow the cutting but the actual part outline isnt there? :)
[07:54:04] <awallin> have you tweaked the AXIS colors? graphics working otherwise ok?
[07:54:11] <mrsun> archivist, this has been so for a while now, even with restarts and everything =)
[07:54:13] <archivist> part outline?
[07:54:17] <mrsun> awallin, havent touched stuff like that
[07:54:35] <mrsun> archivist, yes usaly you can see the part being cut then you see the lines where the tool has been when machine is running
[07:54:51] <archivist> there is no facility to draw the part yet
[07:55:05] <mrsun> archivist, eh ... the outline of the part has been showing before ...
[07:55:36] <archivist> the white lines to show the future cut path you mean
[07:55:42] <mrsun> http://linuxcnc.org/docs/html/gui/images/axis-currentandselected.png like that
[07:55:46] <mrsun> archivist, ahh yes
[07:55:49] <mrsun> its those i mean
[08:01:29] <awallin> does it work for some g-code and not for something else?
[08:04:22] <mrsun> i do not see the "linuxcnc" thing when i start the program either
[08:04:30] <mrsun> or emc2 or whatever it says
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[08:17:52] <mrsun> haha
[08:18:00] <mrsun> show program prevew was chcked out :P
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[09:06:39] <archivist> do not let arduinos or other junk near your 3d printer
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-23727229
[09:19:11] <OhmEye> lol
[09:19:38] <awallin> is that due to lost steps, or?
[09:20:14] <OhmEye> An arduino RUNS my 3D printer. :) And I haven't had any failures like that in many dozens of kg printed.
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[09:23:23] <Loetmichel> mornin'
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[10:11:54] <archivist> awallin, I think I see a number if different errors , missed steps is one type
[10:13:31] <awallin> some arduino controls don't have much acceleration control do they? "full speed ahead"
[10:15:33] <archivist> some naive programmers out there without the knowledge of acceleration, machine friction etc
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[11:39:22] <ReadError> is there any easy way to time a job?
[11:39:37] <ReadError> not really estimate just log when it starts and stops
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[11:40:41] <archivist> buy an antique clocking in clock and some cards for it
[11:41:09] <archivist> or quill and ink
[11:41:38] <archivist> I am terrible at recording jobs too :)
[11:41:52] <ReadError> i just want some good estimates of how long certain toolpaths take
[11:42:03] <ReadError> some stuff i randomly figured out and can set my cellphone timer
[11:42:51] <archivist> this job I am running right now is easy as I know time per pass and number of passes
[11:44:03] <archivist> but your question is a regular in the channel, someone needs to write some code
[11:46:21] <pdurbin> is there an open bug/issue for this?
[11:46:40] <archivist> axis knows everything having parsed the gcode and drawn the plot, it could be summing the approximate total time and then showing a progress percentage, although it cannot know the g0 timings
[11:47:51] <archivist> it is the unknowns, and has the user dragged the feed rate percentage slider etc
[11:58:23] <ReadError> archivist: yea that would be awesome, something that takes the gcode speed and the slider speed, max speed, etc
[12:00:31] <archivist> we await your coding :)
[12:09:51] <archivist> ReadError,
http://www.linuxcnc.org/index.php/english/forum/21-axis/611-axis-estimate-of-machining-time
[12:18:37] <ReadError> lol
[12:18:40] <ReadError> 4 years ago
[12:23:36] <archivist> something was in the back of my mind, so went for a search :)
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[13:00:25] <jthornton> wow that's old
[13:01:19] <jthornton> just run your code in a sim configured to match your machine
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[13:03:04] <jp_> anyone know if there are any errors in the 7i77 manual to be aware of?
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[13:04:19] <jthornton> none that I know of
[13:04:29] <jthornton> just get the latest from mesa
[13:06:41] <jp_> time to clean up the mill panel and put in the 7i77
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[13:25:11] <Tom_itx> ReadError, i put at couple timers on mine
[13:25:55] <Tom_itx> one for each tool and an overall one
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[13:27:56] <ReadError> Tom_itx: how did you manage that?
[13:28:20] <ReadError> VNC is nice to monitor remotely, but the overhead is so high
[13:28:30] <ReadError> i may just get a cheap ip kvm
[13:29:57] <Tom_itx> http://tom-itx.dyndns.org:81/~webpage/cnc/configs/sherline/postgui.hal
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[14:11:29] <spack> KimK_1: i can't find any evidence of a 315 existing
[14:12:21] <spack> it looks a lot like a 312, but some stuff is on the opposite side of the machine and it has BDC3200 instead of SPC-II but it could have been upgraded at some point
[14:13:07] <spack> awallin's link is the machine
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[15:21:09] <taiden> afternoon everyone
[15:21:24] <taiden> i'm having issues calling a subroutine. i've used subroutines in the past with no issues.
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[15:21:46] <taiden> for some reason, after the last move in the subroutine, it stops the parent toolpath
[15:22:25] <taiden> i've scoured the end of the subroutine for clues and have turned off all end program m-codes such that it matches my existing, working subroutine exampls
[15:22:27] <taiden> examples
[15:22:40] <taiden> i turned them off by commenting them out with parens
[15:22:45] <taiden> any wisdom?
[15:23:10] <andypugh> Any chance that a Windows-style line-end found its way into the file?
[15:23:54] <andypugh> (And I rather thought that a subroutine was meant to have an M2 outside the subroutine definition)
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[15:24:33] <nspiel> i just went to a swap meet and they had a small sherline cnc lather for sale without controller for $300
[15:24:59] <andypugh> So you now own a small sherline CNC lathe without a controller?
[15:25:03] <Tom_itx> they're pretty light weight. i have a sherline mill
[15:25:09] <Tom_itx> but i have fun with it anyway
[15:25:38] <Tom_itx> i could use the head to make a rotary axis :)
[15:25:59] <nspiel> i havent bought it yet. i dunno if its worth it
[15:26:14] <Tom_itx> i'd sink my money into some steel over aluminum
[15:26:15] <andypugh> Only you can answer that question.
[15:26:37] <Tom_itx> i've had mine for probalby 20 yrs or more
[15:26:44] <taiden> How would I check for a windows style line end?
[15:26:58] <taiden> i wouldn't be surprised, the toolpath was generated on a windows computer, all my others were written on linux by hand
[15:27:09] <taiden> and this is the only toolpath that has given me this issue
[15:27:15] <taiden> i also have added the M2 to the outside
[15:27:28] <taiden> the general conventions match my subroutiens that function fine
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[15:34:40] <spack> man, i can't much reference to a bostomatic 315 on the internet
[15:34:56] <spack> i found just the minimum evidence necessary to believe they probably existed
[15:34:59] <spack> but not more
[15:35:00] <spack> lol
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[15:36:58] <taiden> I'm totally stumped here. Everything looks perfectly fine. It runs the entire subroutine and then quits
[15:37:11] <taiden> no error message or anything
[15:39:27] <nspiel> what are the most popular stepper drivers for mesa cards?
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[15:40:49] <taiden> LOL
[15:40:54] <taiden> it's always something stupid right?
[15:40:58] <archivist> yes
[15:41:02] <taiden> I was editing subroutine.NGC instead of subroutine.ngc
[15:41:17] * taiden face in hands
[15:41:54] <archivist> I have just restarted a cur because attempt 1 was not that good
[15:41:59] <archivist> cut
[15:42:42] <andypugh> nspiel: Define "popular". Do you mean the most numerous, or the ones their owners like the most?
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[15:43:35] <andypugh> archivist: Didn't they attempt to use restarting curs to solve the longitude problem?
[15:44:31] <archivist> dunno....cannot translate that tyop to longitude :0
[15:45:34] <andypugh> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Powder_of_sympathy
[15:45:35] <CaptHindsight> nspiel: lots of
http://www.automationtechnologiesinc.com/products-page/kl-stepper-drivers
[15:45:56] <CaptHindsight> http://www.automationtechnologiesinc.com/products-page/gecko-drivers
[15:46:09] <nspiel> thanks capthindsight
[15:46:28] <Tom_itx> nspiel, i use geckos for my steppers
[15:46:28] <nspiel> and andy the ones people are most happy with
[15:46:52] <Tom_itx> and am happy with
[15:47:10] <Tom_itx> 203v
[15:47:18] <CaptHindsight> http://www.leadshine.com/producttypes.aspx?type=products&category=stepper-products&producttype=stepper-drives
[15:47:36] <andypugh> There is a specific firmware for the Mesa 7i76 to connect directly to the
http://www.geckodrive.com/geckodrive-step-motor-drives/g540.html
[15:49:17] <ReadError> http://www.automationtechnologiesinc.com/products-page/gecko-drivers/3-axis-dsp-based-digital-stepper-drive-max-60-vdc-6-0a
[15:49:20] <ReadError> this is new
[15:49:43] <archivist> I am reasonably happy with the badged chines drives I use (probably Longshine)
[15:49:59] <andypugh> I am perfectly content with
http://www.zappautomation.co.uk/en/stepper-drivers/302-m542.html and they have been running my machine for years.
[15:50:51] <spack> i'm using a leadshine at work, it works and was incredibly cheap/free
[15:51:01] <Tom_itx> andypugh, those are discontinued
[15:51:04] <andypugh> ReadError 60V 6A and easy wiring looks very useful.
[15:51:05] <archivist> ah yes leadshine not longshine
[15:51:29] <archivist> looks the same as the arc euro I am using except for the name
[15:51:32] <andypugh> Tom_itx: That's an indication of how long mine have been no trouble for :-)
[15:52:38] <ReadError> 1/64 microstepping?
[15:52:40] <ReadError> jebus
[15:52:59] <archivist> 1/2 is enough
[15:53:32] <CaptHindsight> what if you need 1um steps for your 2mm lead screws?
[15:53:38] <ReadError> Anti resonance for low and middle speed
[15:53:44] <ReadError> this sounds interesting
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[15:54:02] <spack> i need up to 1/16 for some stuff, but i wouldn't trust much higher than that
[16:01:31] <Tom_itx> do you really notice the 1/16 microsteps?
[16:02:32] <archivist> CaptHindsight, that resolution is snake oil
[16:03:44] <archivist> more people should read
http://www.micromo.com/microstepping-myths-and-realities.aspx
[16:06:16] <CaptHindsight> so you just oversize the motor by 100x, problem solved :)
[16:10:38] <archivist> nope
[16:10:59] <archivist> the magnetics are not that linear between steps
[16:12:20] <archivist> only if you add optical feedback and put it in a loop could you get that resolution/accuracy
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[16:25:19] <andypugh> archivist: It would need to be a 51200 count encoder even then.. (maybe a job for a resolver)
[16:25:50] <archivist> or someone using linear scales
[16:26:30] <archivist> how is that hardinge scale coming on?
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[17:24:12] <IchGuckLive> B) hi
[17:26:57] <Jymmm> archivist: Have you ever come across a flaring tool for tiny diameter, very thin wall tubing?
[17:28:47] <archivist> I would use a blunt watchmakers/clockmakers taper broach/reamer , or just make something
[17:30:59] <Jymmm> archivist: ok, thanks.
[17:31:58] <archivist> but depends on what kind or amount of flaring
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[19:36:33] <gene78> anybody about that knows what an error reported when debug=0x7FFFFFF means?
[19:38:18] <gene78> looks like this in the terminal
[19:38:24] <gene78> Xlib.protocol.request.QueryExtension
[19:38:26] <gene78> parse error?
[19:38:27] <gene78> Unable to instantiate [/dev/video0]
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[19:58:15] <KimK_1> spack: I've not run across a Bostomatic like that one, but it doesn't seem too unusual. Is that a small tool carousel hanging at right in the background?
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[20:33:30] <mrsun> ballscrew mounted to the router ... now i guess the fun part comes, to align everything to test stuff out before i rip every single piece apart again to paint it :P
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[21:21:24] <DJ9DJ> gn8
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[21:24:56] <andypugh> OK, so why is grub only showing me one kernel, even though update-grub finds three of them?
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[21:52:12] <skunkworks> I think kim was having the same problem a few days ago.. I don't know he figured it out
[21:55:08] <spack> KimK_1: i assumed so, but i'm not sure
[21:55:11] <spack> i don't have it yet
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[21:59:16] <spack> KimK_1: i know almost nothing about it except what's in the photos. not sure i can power it just yet. i'm hoping it runs like he says, that will mean i don't need to buy any impossible to find parts....
[21:59:38] <spack> KimK_1: i'm also worried about how the heck to get it past a garage door
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[22:06:25] <mhaberler> andypugh: check if there's a corresponding initrd in /boot
[22:07:09] <mhaberler> if not, do a 'update-initramfs -c -k <version' to generate one
[22:07:27] <mhaberler> old ubuntus tend to forget that step
[22:07:56] <mhaberler> then update-grub again
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[22:16:52] <Parre> Hey! Planning on building a cnc router out of aluminium extrusions. I want about 1x1m work area and i'm wondering if 2020 extrusion will be good enough or if i need to step up to 3030 or maybe 4040 extrusions?
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[22:28:14] <andypugh> mhaberler: I figured it out, "Previous kernel versions" is a link to a sub-menu, not a list heading....
[22:29:39] <andypugh> Parre: 20x20 sounds a bit small to me.
[22:30:13] <Parre> andypugh: thought so too :p
[22:30:47] <andypugh> Put it this way, you will only regret being oversize when you first buy it. You will regret being undersize for ever.
[22:32:28] <Parre> andypugh: Thanks. needed someone to tell me that :D
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[23:12:07] <AR_> mm
[23:12:10] <AR_> http://imgur.com/a/FHOS1
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[23:38:43] <Aero-Tec> wanting to set up my tool table properly
[23:39:14] <Aero-Tec> been running with my own system, but time to do things the right way, if there is such a thing
[23:40:27] <Aero-Tec> in the JT tut it says to have a tool loaded and fixture selected for zeroing the tool table
[23:41:08] <Aero-Tec> so what if you have no tool table yet, so no tools setup
[23:41:33] <Aero-Tec> and can one use tool zero for setting up tool table?
[23:41:53] <Aero-Tec> any feed back would be great
[23:44:53] <andypugh> I think you can use tool zero (a non-tool with no offsets and no tool table entry) in theory, but in practice it has nowhere to store a diameter, and M6 T0 means "unload tool"
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[23:45:23] <andypugh> So, it is more normal for Tool 1 to be the no-offsets tool, because at least it has somewhere to store the other tool data.
[23:45:56] <andypugh> And you can just create a tool table with tooledit.
[23:46:36] <Aero-Tec> so tool zero has no tool offset to set?
[23:46:37] <andypugh> Make entries for each tool, with the info about them, but no lengths, then touch them off.
[23:47:03] <andypugh> Indeed.
[23:47:22] <Aero-Tec> I just set up a manual homing system with a dial gage
[23:47:34] <andypugh> Which would be fine, as it would save you the danger of accidentally giving it an offset by pressing the wrong touch-off option.
[23:47:38] <Aero-Tec> and have no idea what to do next
[23:47:59] <andypugh> But neither does it have anywhere to store tool diameter.
[23:48:41] <Aero-Tec> do I home with the new machine zero I just setup?
[23:48:49] <Aero-Tec> then what?
[23:49:21] <Aero-Tec> what about the fixture?
[23:49:42] <Aero-Tec> when I set that if does not have the tool table option any more
[23:50:14] <Aero-Tec> so does selecting fixture auto to zeroing tool table?
[23:50:32] <andypugh> I don't know, I have no idea what anyone means by a "fixture"
[23:50:33] <Aero-Tec> if so why would it matter about what tool is loaded?
[23:51:58] <Aero-Tec> also would like to know whats the difference with setting home zero and zeroing tool table?
[23:52:38] <Aero-Tec> my head is swimming with offsets and wondering how they all fit together
[23:52:50] <andypugh> Mine too, I am going to sleep.
[23:53:09] <Aero-Tec> night
[23:53:19] <Aero-Tec> thanks for the help
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