#linuxcnc | Logs for 2013-07-10

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[09:03:07] <perru> bye qrp, thx a lot for your time
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[09:03:51] <perru> at the beginning (and as a newbie on this...) my idea is to go step by step
[09:05:03] <perru> fisrt time use a cheaper stepper motors and breakout card (something like chinese, on ebay..)
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[09:05:46] <perru> to test and experiment with cnc on emc2 at low cost
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[09:06:58] <perru> and step by step increase the cost to finally make a pretty machine
[09:06:59] <perru> :)
[09:07:46] <Vq> So you don't intend to start with a 5-axis machine?
[09:09:03] <perru> directly not, it can be disastrous
[09:09:05] <perru> hahahaha
[09:10:44] <perru> the cost of my final machine is so high and my actual budget now very limited
[09:12:10] <perru> i dont want expend my money buying all the material without knowing anything about emc2
[09:14:46] <Vq> ok
[09:15:11] <perru> my idea is to make a initial prototipe with 3 axis (surely on wood), test it, and little by little upgrade it
[09:15:53] <perru> what type of machine have you got Vq?
[09:16:18] <Vq> I would probably start without encoders and the extra I/O card then.
[09:17:04] <Vq> Currently a plasma cutter and we're working to convert a lathe.
[09:17:37] <perru> wow!!!
[09:17:57] <Vq> Our first emc2 experiments was with a small PCB mill, so it's not a bad starting point.
[09:18:01] <perru> yes i would start without encoders
[09:18:03] <perru> ;)
[09:18:29] <perru> this is my idea, a simple starting point
[09:19:18] <perru> i have a lot of things to read and learn yet
[09:20:36] <perru> yes, as i read at linuscnc page, to start i only need a paralell cable and one driver per motor, isnt it?
[09:21:33] <perru> like in this image: http://www.google.es/imgres?imgurl=http://www.linuxcnc.org/docs/devel/html/common/images/whatstep1.png&imgrefurl=http://www.linuxcnc.org/docs/devel/html/common/user_intro.html&h=600&w=800&sz=201&tbnid=g-dARCS4Js_A1M:&tbnh=92&tbnw=123&zoom=1&usg=__u-oPoPwNrQhlrnGo6xfR1xZ_mlM=&docid=bFyoY8BxpEahCM&sa=X&ei=fSfdUbz6Cq3Q7Abh3YDADw&ved=0CFMQ9QEwBQ&dur=526
[09:21:38] <Vq> And a machine with a parallel-port. ;)
[09:21:55] <perru> hahahahaha, sure
[09:21:58] <perru> hahahahaha
[09:22:30] <perru> im going to recycle some old computers
[09:22:57] <perru> one for the ATX power supply
[09:23:26] <Vq> ok
[09:25:22] <Vq> You will have to tweak the cpu time period that emc2 can use, older computer means less time, which means less speed/precision.
[09:25:52] <Vq> And if you use different pins on the parallel-port you'll have to configure that as well.
[09:26:19] <mk0> you better buy modern PC
[09:26:20] <Vq> Otherwise the stepper_mm configuration should work pretty much as is.
[09:26:46] <mk0> it's not that expensive. $150
[09:30:41] <perru> oh, sorry, when i say old pc i mean an 2 years old pc
[09:33:10] <Vq> New enough to me. :)
[09:34:21] <RyanS_> how far plus or minus can you go past recommended drill sizes for tapping? 0.5mm, 0.1?
[09:36:37] <perru> then summarizing, my final idea is possible with emc2, I only need an extra pci card for the encoders
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[09:42:51] <Vq> perru: If the existing kinematic system matches your 5-axis machine idea (or if you're willing to write your own), sure.
[09:45:11] <perru> great
[09:45:59] <perru> another question, can I export code from catia file to emc2?
[09:47:44] <Vq> No idea
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[09:50:03] <mk0> show some piece of code from catia
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[09:57:24] <perru> Vq: to start "playing" with emc2 i only need a stepper motor with a controller connected directly to the parallel port
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[09:59:13] <Vq> perru: Yes
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[10:00:38] <Vq> Unless you count running emc2 in simulated mode without hardware, then all you need is a pc.
[10:02:03] <perru> ok, no brekout card needed then
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[10:05:02] <Vq> Well, strictly speaking it depends on what your stepper controller requires for the step/dir signal (but it shouldn't be an issue).
[10:08:39] <perru> thx a lot for help me Vq
[10:08:55] <perru> mut go now, hope to see u again
[10:08:56] <Vq> No problem :)
[10:08:57] <perru> ;)
[10:09:44] <perru> if i can help u in anything refered to code...
[10:09:53] <perru> here i im
[10:10:25] <perru> bye
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[12:51:42] <Erich521> Hallo Linuxgemeinde. Habe mit dem Zeichenprogramm Inventor Bauteile gezeichnet. Kann mir bitte jemand sagen, wie ich Linux cnc dazu bringe nach meiner Zeichnung zu fräsen? Es gibt das Programm "Mastercamp" oder "Powermail" mit denen kann man die Zeichnung für Linuxcnc konfigurieren, ist das richtig? Gibt es hier evtl. eine einfahcere Lösung?
[12:52:33] <cradek> Hi Erich521, can you ask in english?
[12:54:39] <cpresser> cradek: he wants to know how to generate Gcode from a inventor sketch
[12:55:07] <cradek> ah, sorry, I don't know that
[12:55:33] <cpresser> Erich521: http://www.inventorcam.com/de/
[12:55:50] <cpresser> however, that might be really expensive.
[12:56:56] <cpresser> Erich521: those are some open-source tools for CAM: http://replicat.org/generators you can use them after you export your sketch to dxf
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[12:57:21] <spacka> CaptHindsight: http://southbend.craigslist.org/tls/3915464153.html << i don't see the motors... where are they? :)
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[12:58:26] <syyl_> oooh
[12:58:29] <syyl_> a baby bridgeport :D
[12:59:02] <spacka> "updated motor controls"
[12:59:08] <spacka> where are zee motors?
[12:59:30] <syyl_> there is one on the head ;)
[12:59:31] <cradek> there's only one motor, it's on top
[12:59:37] <spacka> thats what i thought
[13:00:12] <cradek> updated motor controls might mean "I fixed the power switch"
[13:00:41] <syyl_> jup
[13:00:44] <cradek> looks like a good size for a basement
[13:01:03] <spacka> i'm looking for something that already has motor mounts even if the motors aren't usable
[13:01:36] <spacka> but preferably something with motors that are drivable with a gecko
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[13:07:40] <Erich521> Give it also frreware, for generate Gcode from inventor?
[13:08:36] <cpresser> Erich521: most likely not. inventor is pay-ware, why sould anyone bother to implement a free cam?
[13:09:35] <spacka> been experimenting with heekscnc
[13:09:58] <syyl_> me too
[13:10:03] <syyl_> and i stoped after a day
[13:10:09] <syyl_> as i was pretty anoyed by it
[13:10:43] <spacka> that may be my case too
[13:11:14] <syyl_> for 2,5d work i would go for cambam or sheetcam...
[13:12:04] <spacka> what about 3d
[13:12:28] <syyl_> i do my 3d programming in proEngineer
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[13:13:58] <syyl_> but thats a bit more expensive...
[13:14:29] <spacka> i was surprised the open source tools were so lacking
[13:14:40] <spacka> when the cad stuff is semi decent
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[13:51:22] <PetefromTn> spacka: Apparently the guys with freecad are working on a 3d cam setup to go along with the freecad free 3d cad. I have been using it for a little while now and while it is still a little buggy and in beta so far it is pretty cool.
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[14:46:03] <ssi> morn
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[15:04:12] <PetefromTn> Mornin'
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[15:15:46] <jdh> yep.
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[15:35:52] <syyl_ws> hrm
[15:36:28] <syyl_ws> is there any way that axis would accept an input like this in the mdi: g0 x(135/3)?
[15:36:41] <ssi> try square brackets?
[15:36:46] <ssi> g0 x[135/3]
[15:37:24] <syyl_ws> awwww
[15:37:26] <syyl_ws> thank you :D
[15:37:31] <ssi> np :)
[15:38:18] <syyl_ws> oh
[15:38:25] <syyl_ws> it even works in the touchoff dialog
[15:38:37] <ssi> neat :D
[15:38:59] <jdh> cool
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[15:48:44] <syyl_ws> thats fine for centering parts with the edge finder :)
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[16:00:39] <PetefromTn> Wow that's intersting never knew it could do that. Thanks for the tip. I can see some really good uses for that. LinuxCNC amazes me more every day.
[16:00:59] <ssi> http://politix.topix.com/homepage/5876-court-oks-barring-high-iqs-for-cops
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[16:20:51] <skunkworks> centroid cnc stopped booting yestarday... Then it started booting.. somewhat.. Changed the power supply - same issue.. this morning came in - booted it up - cmos checksum error...
[16:21:10] <skunkworks> replace battery - back to normal
[16:21:27] <skunkworks> I think that is the first time I have had the bios battery actaully fix something...
[16:22:20] <jdh> how old?
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[16:22:22] <skunkworks> The index and 100ppr seem to work on the emco.
[16:22:33] <skunkworks> maybe 5 years
[16:22:57] <skunkworks> the first thing was it stopped booting at power on.
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[16:26:26] <skunkworks> cradek, would a 100 line encoder still benifit from positon interpolated? (count - not quad)
[16:27:11] <cradek> I don't know whether it would make an improvement
[16:27:22] <skunkworks> I guess I can try it both ways...
[16:27:26] <cradek> does it work badly as-is?
[16:27:39] <skunkworks> I have only tried interpoated so far..
[16:29:28] <skunkworks> would there be a reason not to use interpolated?
[16:29:37] <skunkworks> (for lathe threading..)
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[16:31:42] <skunkworks> So - it looks like linuxcnc will Plug and Play an emco 5 compaq pc lathe.
[16:31:51] <ssi> awesome
[16:31:57] <ssi> how many did you get? five or six?
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[16:33:02] <skunkworks> No hackin required.
[16:33:15] <skunkworks> 5 of the pc versions - 1 of the cnc version
[16:33:29] <skunkworks> 1 is missing steppers and random parts
[16:33:43] <ssi> whatre you gonna do with them?
[16:34:21] <gene> Hey guys, booted to UBU12.04.2 and have the development 2.5.2 running in sim mode, been an intersting ride.
[16:34:24] <skunkworks> Probably sell a few..
[16:34:40] <skunkworks> keep a few ;)
[16:34:46] <pcw_home> one with missing motors may be good candidate for better motors/drives
[16:34:48] <skunkworks> the CNC one doesn't boot...
[16:35:19] <skunkworks> pcw_home, we got phase drive working - dad says it even runs well at 45ipm...
[16:35:49] <pcw_home> not bad!
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[16:36:25] <gene> I tried ubuntu, no network until I fixed it my way and caught 23 kinds of hell on the lists, seems the installer is broken.
[16:36:26] <skunkworks> yes - very happy. that is full stepping it (2 phase on) so around .00054 per step.
[16:36:29] <Connor> ccn version vs pc version.. what's the difference ?
[16:36:45] <skunkworks> cnc version has a controller in it.
[16:36:59] <skunkworks> http://electronicsam.com/images/emco/emco.JPG
[16:37:02] <skunkworks> upper left
[16:37:03] <gene> then I tried kubuntu but missing deps kept me from building Linuxcnc
[16:37:34] <Connor> okay, so, its just using it's own control vs a pc control
[16:37:51] <skunkworks> yes - that one doesn't boot..
[16:37:57] <gene> Then xubuntu, again missing deps, got as far as runtests and half that failed.
[16:38:08] <Connor> Those things are cute.. I wouldn't mind having one..
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[16:39:26] <gene> So I'm back on the "borken" ubuntu, but pango & cairo was missing, so I installed a few more pieces of that and it works!
[16:39:27] <TekniQue> yeah, one
[16:39:36] <TekniQue> five is a bit much
[16:40:01] <skunkworks> gene, yay!
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[16:40:05] <frallzor> ahoyhoy
[16:40:07] <Connor> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[16:40:07] <Connor> linuxcnc-sim: Depends: libmodbus5 but it is not installable
[16:40:16] <Connor> what's up with that ?
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[16:41:13] <gene> Thats a fair pickup load of toys I'd say.
[16:41:27] <frallzor> http://img69.imageshack.us/img69/2473/svzg.jpg worked like a charm =D
[16:42:49] <frallzor> and this is todays result http://img585.imageshack.us/img585/2251/e7xo.jpg
[16:43:08] <gene> Now, do I dare go try this on one of the atom machines?
[16:44:09] <gene> frallzor thats downright purty
[16:44:27] <frallzor> might have effed it up now though
[16:44:39] <frallzor> plan is to fill cavities with clear epoxi
[16:44:45] <frallzor> will be fun to see how it turns out
[16:45:12] <gene> How much vacuum did it take?
[16:45:29] <ReadError> lol
[16:45:35] <frallzor> umm no idea =)
[16:45:36] <ReadError> my buddy is the biggest liverpool fan ever
[16:45:44] <frallzor> using an ejector
[16:45:54] <frallzor> so not sure how to read it out from the airflow =)
[16:46:07] <frallzor> ReadError the "client" for this too =P
[16:46:11] <frallzor> (go figure) :P
[16:46:14] <gene> You mean a venturi pump
[16:46:23] <frallzor> venturi principle yes
[16:47:00] <gene> ahh, yes, used that for 2" tape shoes for 20+ years, worked well for that
[16:47:09] <fragalot> doesn't that use a lot of air?
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[16:47:32] <fragalot> (if I stop talking, blame airport internet and carry on :P)
[16:47:37] <frallzor> quite, but works fine with my small garage size compressor
[16:47:51] <fragalot> I guess that's alright then
[16:48:04] <gene> depends on the venturi, the ampex machines used a litt;e gast oilless air pump to push it. 2-3 scfm maybe.
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[16:48:33] <fragalot> even better
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[16:51:47] <gene> All the linux experts, question. On xubuntu, I mounted my old home dir over the top of the new one, and it mostly worked. Has anyone done it with the std ubunto install and got away with it?
[16:51:50] <PetefromTn> frallzor: Nice man way to stick with it. That machine makes some mighty fine engravings.
[16:54:08] <Connor> frallzor: how did you fix the warping problem ?
[16:55:05] <frallzor> thicker fixture
[16:55:43] <Connor> So my idea worked. :)
[16:55:54] <frallzor> sliiiiight warp still though
[16:55:55] <gene> and likely a deeper o-ring slot so the ring only has to crush 2-3 thou and its all sitting on the fixture.
[16:56:20] <frallzor> but nothing that couldnt be fixed when attaching it there
[16:56:46] <frallzor> slot is deeper than rev1 yes =)and not it sinks down nicely
[16:56:55] <frallzor> 4mm depth with 6mm seal
[16:57:27] <jdh> what kind of bit?
[16:57:49] <frallzor> for the engraving?
[16:57:54] <frallzor> 60deg vbit
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[16:58:29] <IchGuckLive> hi all
[16:58:49] <gene> that much oversized? Id also superglue the ends of the ring where you made it fit, reduce leakage. Then it would depend on the porosity of the wood too.
[16:59:17] <Connor> okay.. so no one knows anything about the libmodbus5 not being available ? can't update my linuxcnc-sim package.
[16:59:51] <gene> Lemme check to see if its here, Conner, brb
[17:01:10] <Connor> I need to upgrade my desktop from 10.04 to 12.04.. really don't want too.. can't update chrome anymore.. :(
[17:01:23] <gene> Not installed here, but shows as available in synaptic. Why can't it be installed?
[17:01:48] <gene> this is on 12.04.2, ubuntu LTS
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[17:02:19] <Connor> sorry.. 2 different topics.
[17:02:26] <Connor> right now I'm running 10.04 LTS
[17:02:35] <Connor> and this is what I get when I do apt-get install linuxcnc-sim
[17:02:38] <Connor> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[17:02:38] <Connor> linuxcnc-sim: Depends: libmodbus5 but it is not installable
[17:02:38] <Connor> E: Broken packages
[17:04:26] <gene> ahh, so am I most of the time on this box. But as a desktop kernel, the rtai 2.6.32 sucks very dead toads through soda straws. It gioes away, with no load on the cpus at all, for up to a minute at a time.
[17:07:06] <gene> Anyway I came by to brag, the old fart hits a lick now & then & all that rot. Still working on the dynamic braking on the lathe, but I do have it capable of running a peck cycle useing G33.1 in an ever deeper loop now.
[17:08:18] <skunkworks> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WEVeHWpXeF4
[17:09:02] <gene> Now, if this install survives my mounting the old home dirs over the new ones, I'll have a lot of it working and ready to run 12.04.2 full time from my easy chair.
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[17:11:08] <gene> so wish me luck, I might need it.
[17:11:31] <gene> later, gotta go see about a nose bag
[17:11:37] <jthornton> good luck
[17:11:46] <gene> thanks John
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[17:16:46] <PetefromTn> skunkworks: That looks sweet man....congrats.
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[17:17:05] <skunkworks> PetefromTn, thanks.. They look like nice little macines.
[17:18:03] <Connor> skunkworks: why you link to a laser engraver?
[17:18:31] <skunkworks> Connor, random youtube video...
[17:18:50] <skunkworks> PetefromTn, if you are talking about the video - that wasn't me..
[17:18:58] <Connor> I thought I had missed something in the conversation...
[17:19:11] <ssi> yea I was similarly confused :P
[17:19:21] <skunkworks> :)
[17:19:25] <Connor> It's all PetefromTn fault. :)
[17:19:26] <PetefromTn> yeah I got that now. sorry
[17:19:35] <PetefromTn> Connor: Bite me dude..
[17:19:49] <ssi> so aggro lately!
[17:19:51] <PetefromTn> ;)
[17:20:01] <PetefromTn> you betcha...
[17:20:15] <frallzor> bite bite
[17:20:41] <PetefromTn> My son sold his POS 300zx that was sitting in my driveway for a month this morning so I suppose I should feel better
[17:20:56] <ssi> haha I once upon a time had a silly fast 300zx
[17:21:04] <ssi> 550hp
[17:21:05] <jdh> your 6 year old son had a 300zx?
[17:21:13] <PetefromTn> His was never fast let alone silly fast...
[17:21:48] <PetefromTn> No my 21 year old stepson had an NA 300zx that he blew the motor up in and now does not have a car at all....
[17:22:36] <jdh> 21, 10, 6?
[17:22:56] <jdh> I think it is time for another one.
[17:23:03] <PetefromTn> ssi: Well SOME DAY my little Fiero project here will be a 550 HP 300zx eating monster...nah nah nah
[17:23:13] <ssi> get it done
[17:23:17] <ssi> I don't have that car anymore
[17:23:23] <PetefromTn> jdh: No man I've got all I need now LOL
[17:23:28] <ssi> now I just have a silly little 340hp AWD vw ;)
[17:23:50] <PetefromTn> you really know how to piss me off dontcha SSI....LOL
[17:24:00] <ssi> hahaha
[17:24:13] <ssi> it's all just payback for the $1300 arrow
[17:24:22] <PetefromTn> Just for that I think I'll add a couple thou extra runout in those pullies I am gonna make for you LOL
[17:24:31] <ssi> noooooooooooooooo.....
[17:24:37] <PetefromTn> hehehe
[17:25:15] <PetefromTn> Got a fellow who is supposed to come look at my Bow for sale this afternoon apparently.
[17:25:32] <ssi> I should sell some crap
[17:26:41] <PetefromTn> Its funny you mention crap I posted a craigslist ad yesterday afternoon for a whole bunch of junk and stuff I don;t use from my attic for trade. Would like to have a nice small fridge like a dorm fridge upstairs in my kids room for snacks and drinks so they are not having to go up and down all the time.
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[17:27:03] <jdh> going up and down all the time is good exercise
[17:27:41] <PetefromTn> yeah it is JDH but my youngest is only six and our steps are kinda steep and made from hardwood and I am always afraid she might fall and get hurt bad on me here...
[17:28:32] <PetefromTn> We have a cape cod style house and the stairs are quite steep but that is just kinda how they build these homes. Even the doorways are kinda narrowish upstairs.
[17:28:59] <FinboySlick> ssi: I envy your silly little vw. Got pictures?
[17:29:22] <PetefromTn> I like it tho it is kinda neat and there is that second floor roof kinda angled ceilings upstairs in the bedrooms, its pretty cool.
[17:29:47] <ssi> http://sphotos-d.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/p206x206/37072_969575711052_1677797429_n.jpg
[17:30:08] <PetefromTn> If I do manange to trade for a dorm fridge I will have to paint it completly PINK like the rest of their room LOL
[17:30:08] <FinboySlick> ssi: Showing off your private jet? ;)
[17:30:12] <ssi> heheh I wish
[17:30:22] <ssi> http://sphotos-a.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-frc1/407558_965229196502_369623964_n.jpg
[17:30:27] <ssi> http://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/376759_965235189492_2105321337_n.jpg
[17:30:37] <ssi> http://sphotos-h.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/481528_958436064992_621028362_n.jpg
[17:30:41] <PetefromTn> Is that a GTI?
[17:30:44] <ssi> no, R
[17:30:52] <ssi> the AWD one
[17:30:52] <FinboySlick> Woah...
[17:31:10] <ssi> what used to be the R32, but in mk6 it's a 2.0l turbo 4
[17:31:21] <ssi> instead of the 3.2l NA v6
[17:32:10] <FinboySlick> ssi: Do you consider it an improvement?
[17:32:16] <ssi> definitely
[17:32:21] <PetefromTn> Ya know I used to have a friend down in florida when I was in high school that had one of the original VW rabbit GTI's/ It was completely black with blacked out windows and black low profile BBS wheels and had black recaro seats with red piping on them. That was such a sweet little car and I drove it a couple times. It hauled ass pretty good since it was modded. He also had a kicking stereo in it.
[17:32:24] <ssi> makes more power stock, and way easier to add a lot of power to
[17:32:40] <ssi> stock is 260hp, with a fuel pump, intake, and flash it's 340hp
[17:32:51] <ssi> add exhaust and another flash and it'll be close to 370
[17:32:55] <ssi> by then I'll likely need a clutch
[17:33:14] <PetefromTn> is that all armchair HP or have you actually dynoed it?
[17:33:24] <ssi> mostly armchair
[17:33:30] <ssi> but it traps 99mph at 3700lb
[17:33:33] <ssi> which maths to 280hp at the wheels
[17:33:38] <ssi> and remember AWD is 15-18% loss
[17:33:44] <PetefromTn> thats not too shabby huh.
[17:34:10] <PetefromTn> your'e probably like 340--350 or so...
[17:34:19] <PetefromTn> what was the 60'
[17:34:25] <ssi> too slow :)
[17:34:28] <ssi> 2.1 I think was my best
[17:34:34] <ssi> should be able to get it down to 1.7 o rso
[17:34:42] <ssi> but awd launches are not as easy as you think :)
[17:34:49] <PetefromTn> 1.7 would be decent
[17:35:51] <ssi> if I could get the launch figured out, it'd run low 13s
[17:35:55] <ssi> as it was, I was running low 14s
[17:36:06] <ssi> also need race gas
[17:36:18] <ssi> I showed up at the track with over half a tank, and I wanted to burn some down before I put race gas in it
[17:36:24] <ssi> but they closed the gas station before I got a chance
[17:36:34] <ssi> I have a 100 octane program that is a NOTICEABLE improvement
[17:38:03] <PetefromTn> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=524GMEXvqLk
[17:38:44] <PetefromTn> That is what a 3800turbo fiero GT is capable of. that one is kind of a shitbox but it hauls ever lovin' ass.... I want to build the same basic motor in mine.
[17:39:51] <PetefromTn> There are actually several 3800 turbos that run in the high nine-low ten second range and are street driven.
[17:39:57] <ssi> i believe it
[17:40:03] <cpresser> get a manual transmission :)
[17:40:27] <PetefromTn> Most impressive thing is that the motors this guy uses are almost completely stock internals.
[17:40:29] <ssi> I ran an 11.4 @ 121 in my 300zx
[17:41:23] <PetefromTn> I would rather have a manual but my fiero is an auto like this one and besides the auto uses the 4t65eHD tranny which shifts electronically WAY faster than you could manually. Most of the faster fieros are using it.
[17:42:21] <PetefromTn> Fastest quarter I ever ran in my personal vehicles was a 9.79 on my 1992 Yamaha FZR1000.... my 1988 mustang 5.0 LX which was mostly stock ran a 13.2....M
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[17:42:58] <ssi> I had a 93 fzr 600
[17:43:00] <ssi> was my first bike
[17:44:02] <PetefromTn> LOL I had a 1992 FZR00..loved it. I installed an FZR1000 rear swingarm and rear wheel so I could run a 180 tire on it and bigger brakes.
[17:44:12] <PetefromTn> It was the red white and black.
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[17:44:32] <ssi> after the fzr I bought a brand new 2007 triumph daytona 675
[17:44:38] <ssi> man that thing was gorgeous... and fast
[17:44:39] <ssi> three cylinder
[17:44:49] <ssi> destroyed the shit out of that one :)
[17:45:51] <PetefromTn> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nx8WwmlLoq4
[17:46:20] <PetefromTn> Crappy video but you get the idea... 460HP 2400 lbs, mid engine rear wheel drive. BEAUTIFUL.
[17:46:38] <PetefromTn> Triumphs are sweet. I always wanted a Ducati 900ss SP
[17:47:21] <ssi> http://sphotos-c.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/536471_864222938852_1275719035_n.jpg
[17:47:24] <ssi> hahahah
[17:47:29] <ssi> how much do you hate me NOW?
[17:48:26] <cradek> look out that miniature plane is going to hit you right in the face
[17:48:51] <ssi> lol
[17:50:02] <frallzor> I found making videos is fun! finding music that fits is boring =(
[17:50:05] <PetefromTn> DUDE you are really tickin me off now. Was that yours?
[17:50:10] <ssi> haha no
[17:50:13] <ssi> belongs to my friend bradly
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[17:50:16] <ssi> bradley too
[17:50:26] <ssi> the tiger-stripey yak isn't mine either, sadly :(
[17:50:29] <PetefromTn> Always thought that was such a beautiful design.
[17:51:00] * FinboySlick goes to mope in his 2010 Fusion :P
[17:51:13] <PetefromTn> I used to have a poster of a hot chick on a red one with the white trellis frame with fast by ferracci exhaust. would have been perfect if they got rid of the hot chick LOL
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[17:51:44] <PetefromTn> finnboy, I actually quite like those fusions. Like the little hot hatchback model
[17:52:18] <ssi> how about my friend meghan with her 848
[17:52:19] <ssi> http://sphotos-c.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-frc1/317537_2412893290485_151839375_n.jpg
[17:52:27] <ssi> http://sphotos-e.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-frc1/304064_2412892370462_1899919182_n.jpg
[17:52:30] <FinboySlick> PetefromTn: I never saw a hatchback fusion, are you sure you aren't talking about the focus?
[17:53:02] <PetefromTn> Oops my bad I get them confused. My neighbor has a black fusion tho it is a nice car.
[17:53:28] <PetefromTn> There are some badass focus' running around tho. They also have an EV focus now too..
[17:53:29] <FinboySlick> http://www.blogcdn.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2009/08/000_fusion2010garage_opta.jpg That's exactly what I have, same trim and everything.
[17:53:53] <PetefromTn> Yup thats what my neighbor has. Nice looking car
[17:54:05] <FinboySlick> I did chip it to 91 octane and add a borla exhaust and magnaflow intake.
[17:54:14] <ssi> I have a friend who has a fusion and he's had really bad problems with the transmission
[17:54:18] <ssi> at liek 5k miles
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[17:54:38] <ssi> there's a shuttle valve that runs in an aluminum bore that wore out prematurely
[17:55:03] <FinboySlick> The transmission could be better in terms of performance but so far mine has done its job quite well.
[17:55:12] <FinboySlick> Fourth is a bit too high.
[17:55:51] <FinboySlick> I think they made it that way because kicking it into manual always downshifts to fourth.
[17:57:00] <PetefromTn> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0zOwksIyqCI
[17:57:11] <PetefromTn> my dream motor setup doing it's thing..
[17:58:07] <FinboySlick> PetefromTn: Where's the knight rider sweeping LED?
[17:58:33] <PetefromTn> that was a firebird silly LOL
[17:59:27] <ssi> same thing
[17:59:42] <PetefromTn> I had an 86 fiero GT awhile back that was awesome, totally stock but I lowered it and added some custom wheels and low profile tires. Sold it before I could finish it when my truck blew a tranny so I can get my wife her Isuzu Trooper limited she wanted.
[17:59:47] <PetefromTn> ssi: NOT even...
[17:59:50] <ssi> ;)
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[18:00:29] <gene> I think I know where there is another one Fiero that is.
[18:00:32] <PetefromTn> I don't know what it is about that little car really but I get this huge grin on my face whenever I drive it. It does not even look good yet..
[18:01:04] <ssi> ahahahah!
[18:01:04] <ssi> http://img801.imageshack.us/img801/1272/vr3g.jpg
[18:01:08] <PetefromTn> It just sits so damn low and feels so cool inside. it is also very roomy inside even for me...
[18:01:08] <ssi> "this is for you guys out west. have you seen this while flying around? what the heck is it for?
[18:01:17] <ssi> That's a pickup truck. Used for hauling all sorts of stuff around and just generally driving places if needed. Kind of like an automobile with lots of cargo space.
[18:01:49] <PetefromTn> HUH?
[18:01:59] <ssi> hahahaha
[18:02:01] <PetefromTn> Oh well I better get my ass back to work here ..
[18:02:57] <frallzor> http://i.imgur.com/KFFFTme.jpg¨
[18:03:04] <PetefromTn> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y2tRHCypurE
[18:03:07] <gene> Anybody here know anything about getting kmail started on 12.04.2 LTS?
[18:08:26] <FinboySlick> cute: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=4K2syVzJX44
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[18:20:20] <PetefromTn> I hear those actually work pretty well.
[18:22:58] <ssi> whoa neat
[18:27:08] <CaptHindsight> http://www.automationtechnologiesinc.com/products-page/cnc-parts/cnc-router-rotational-axis-the-5th-axis
[18:27:24] <CaptHindsight> possibly precision enough to make jewelry
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[18:32:01] <abetusk_w__> I'm experimenting with some UV curable soldermask paint I purchased from ebay. I'm trying to get a process down that will be able to leave some copper pads exposed. I'm trying to lay down a layer of ink or paint through a stencil, then lay the UV curable soldermaks, cure it, then take off the painted regions with acetone.
[18:33:17] <abetusk_w__> I've used a sharpie to try and cover the pads, but I've found that even after the sharpie dries, the paint 'unmelts' it and the sharpie just wipes off after the UV paint is applied. I've tried spray paint and that's worked in that I can take of covered portions with acetone after the UV paint has cured
[18:33:40] <abetusk_w__> but I was hoping to use an airbrush with some india ink to get a bit more precision
[18:33:46] <abetusk_w__> does anyone have suggestions?
[18:34:22] <abetusk_w__> and I know this isn't a linuxcnc question, but I know there are a lot of people here who do some homebrew PCBs, so I was hoping you all wouldn't mind if I hijacked this channel for the question
[18:35:36] <ssi> what about wax or silicone mold release or something similar
[18:35:42] <ssi> anything to keep the mask from sticking
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[18:36:01] <abetusk_w__> sure. Where do I get it and how do I apply it?
[18:36:22] <uw> has anyone here (successfully) taken apart a dial caliper and put it back together?
[18:36:36] <abetusk_w__> The concern I have is that the stencil will be potentially a bit flimsy, perhaps made of mylar, and I want to make sure to get the fine detail out
[18:37:24] <ssi> mold release comes in a spray can
[18:37:35] <ssi> and really any dry silicone spray will do
[18:37:47] <ssi> but yea with a stencil like that,
[18:37:50] <ssi> you may end up with fuzzy edges
[18:37:51] <ssi> or worse
[18:38:13] <abetusk_w__> right. At the point of doing spray cans, I might as well use spray paint, right?
[18:38:17] <ssi> unless you apply it like you're screen printing
[18:38:26] <abetusk_w__> I do have an air brush, so I wonder if the india ink will work
[18:38:30] <ssi> spraypaint will be much harder to remove
[18:38:31] <abetusk_w__> If not, maybe some other paint?
[18:38:41] <abetusk_w__> I just tried it and it seemd to work well...
[18:40:46] <abetusk_w__> though I'm not sure if it would do well on fine detail
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[19:06:16] <fbx90> a mylar stencil...
[19:06:19] <fbx90> flimsy indeed
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[19:08:37] <fbx90> < abetusk_w__> though I'm not sure if it would do well on fine detail
[19:08:40] <AR_> abetusk_w_, ##electronics has many people that use that
[19:08:41] <fbx90> ^^how so?
[19:08:59] <abetusk_w_> ah, good suggestions, I'll try there as well
[19:09:16] <abetusk_w_> fbx90, The spray paint is blasting a lot of paint in a very small area
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[19:09:56] <abetusk_w_> if the stencil is not flush with the PCB, then the edges could bleed. The higher the psi, the less detail.
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[19:11:03] <AR_> with the uv curable solder mask, you paint the whole board, then place stencil over it to cover the pads
[19:11:05] <AR_> then cure
[19:11:14] <AR_> then wipe off the uncured mask over the pads
[19:11:59] <abetusk_w_> AR_, I was hoping to do it the other way because I don't want anythign touching the paint before it cures
[19:12:57] <frallzor> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MD58-FF4nuI not optimal shown off, but ok =)
[19:14:13] <psha> wee, i've built my first lathe!
[19:14:30] <jdh> pics?
[19:14:33] <psha> vice, electric drill and hand saw! )
[19:14:46] <jdh> and cnc?
[19:15:00] <psha> yep, on same table my workstation lives :]
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[19:24:50] <Connor> frallzor: Where did you get the touch off setter ?
[19:25:26] <frallzor> cnc-plus
[19:26:14] <Connor> That appears to be a German company..
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[19:26:28] <Loetmichel> so?
[19:26:29] <frallzor> yup
[19:26:51] <Loetmichel> psha: nit hte best idea
[19:26:52] <frallzor> you wont be supporting local fuhrers if that´s what you think
[19:26:57] <Connor> Loetmichel: No big deal..
[19:27:05] <Loetmichel> the PC i used first for my CNC mill:
[19:27:23] <Meduza> They at least have their webpage in english, so you dont have to read german: http://www.cnc-plus.de/index.php?language=en :)
[19:27:48] <Connor> Meduza: Yup. already flipped to it. :)
[19:28:08] <frallzor> woho with some luck my parts will be shipped tomorrow!
[19:28:28] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=8220
[19:29:46] <Connor> frallzor: You know what the difference is between the 39 and 59 EUR units are ? they look about the same.. no real info on what the difference is.
[19:29:50] <Loetmichel> the silvery dots are aluminium swarf. NOT so good for PC mainboards ;-)
[19:30:07] <frallzor> Connor isnt it obvious? =P
[19:30:11] <frallzor> height =)
[19:31:05] <Connor> not really. the only other thing is the one has a connector on it..
[19:31:32] <Connor> how accurate are they ?
[19:31:48] <Connor> and are they N/C or N/O ?
[19:32:12] <Loetmichel> pretty good, they use a "vandal proof" buttopn switch for industrial use if i see that right
[19:32:13] <frallzor> 22 vs 32mm thickness
[19:32:25] <frallzor> according to the simple sketch I´d say NO
[19:32:30] <Loetmichel> these are about 1/100m precise
[19:32:51] <Connor> vandal proof ?
[19:32:52] <frallzor> I agress they are pretty good
[19:32:55] <Connor> Hmm..
[19:33:00] <frallzor> for the price, cant complain
[19:33:02] <Loetmichel> oh, why noone said that that was the wrong photo?
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[19:33:33] <frallzor> the akwardness? =P
[19:33:57] <Connor> You mean a micro switch ?
[19:34:19] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=735
[19:34:24] <Loetmichel> that photo was meant ;-)
[19:34:58] <frallzor> the only thing I dont like is that the company doesnt know at which height it triggers...
[19:35:06] <frallzor> was a bitch measuring it
[19:35:49] <frallzor> other than that, I like it
[19:36:50] <Connor> Might have to get one.
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[19:39:34] <frallzor> I have a pretty high-end system for cheaps =P
[19:39:42] <frallzor> mostly because of linuxcnc though
[19:40:00] <frallzor> and HAL =)
[19:40:22] <Connor> you have to use debounce on it ?
[19:40:30] <frallzor> dewhat?
[19:40:42] <Connor> in hal. switch debounce.
[19:40:47] <frallzor> whats that
[19:41:11] <Connor> when you have a switch.. it can make 1000's of contacts before a "good" contact...
[19:41:32] <Connor> allot of times.. you need to de-bounce the switch..
[19:41:37] <frallzor> I dont
[19:41:44] <frallzor> seems to work fine
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[19:48:17] <Connor> frallzor: How big diameter endmill could that setter handle ?
[19:48:39] <frallzor> not sure
[19:50:25] <Connor> could you measure the diameter of the switch depression ?
[19:53:33] <frallzor> might =)
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[19:54:25] <Connor> looks like maybe 10 - 15 mm..
[19:59:40] <PetefromTn> Man I think I finally got all my materials and my door sizes sorted out for this kitchen. Called for quotes on materials today and now I am waiting on a quote for my doors as I MIGHT not make the doors myself this time.
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[20:25:02] <fbx90> PetefromTn: cabinet doors?
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[20:28:01] <Connor> frallzor: If that touch off sensor will handle up to 3/4" end mill.. I might get one.. I normally don't use anything more than 1/2" but.. sometimes....
[20:28:44] <frallzor> I´ll check next time I go to le carhole =)
[20:30:38] <Connor> I wonder how that little micro tactile switches would do for a touch off switch..
[20:31:01] <Connor> maybe put 3 in a circle pattern and wire them in series if N/C or parallel of N/O
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[20:31:28] <archivist> Connor, micro switches?
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[20:32:05] <Connor> https://www.google.com/search?q=tactile+switch&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=ScTdUaWiOPO54APcuIDQDw&ved=0CG8QsAQ&biw=1245&bih=855
[20:32:07] <archivist> some are a bit random some have a spec in thou of operation point
[20:32:43] <archivist> never seen a specification for those
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[20:36:39] <Connor> we're talking about a big swtich.. just needs repeatability.. maybe a normal micro switch under a disk or something..
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[20:40:03] <DJ9DJ> gn8
[20:41:04] <jdh> needs to be able to handle a little overtravel
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[20:44:19] <jdh> is cnczone infected?
[20:44:38] <Connor> by now? no. he's probably cleaned it..
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[20:57:57] <jdh> anyone know how to get a nickserv password reset?
[20:58:27] <Connor> I'm having problems with nickserv.. it's not responding or is down.
[20:59:22] <jdh> it responds to me. but, no clue what my password is.
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[21:03:45] <frallzor> Too tired to check today
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[21:09:31] <Guest85775> jdh, you forgot yours?
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[21:10:24] <Guest72712> [Global Notice] That should be the last bump, services are back now and should be working normally. Thank you all again for your patience and understanding.
[21:10:28] <Guest72712> that's what it is
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[21:12:12] <frallzor> well fuck a duck
[21:12:29] <Tom_itx> zlog
[21:12:29] <zlog> Tom_itx: Log stored at http://tom-itx.dyndns.org:81/~tom-itx/irc/logs/%23linuxcnc/2013-07-10.html
[21:13:14] <Tom_itx> jdh, is your nick registered?
[21:14:56] <Tecan> how accurate would optical mouse be on back of a belt
[21:15:00] <skunkworks> mine did..
[21:15:53] <skunkworks> ? you mean use an optical mouse reading the back of a belt for feedback?
[21:15:55] <Tom_itx> http://freenode.net/using_the_network.shtml
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[21:27:23] <PetefromTn> I like kleins..
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[21:40:17] <rob__H> nice little video for every one :) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d4O_nOclcAs
[21:42:44] <cradek> awesome
[21:43:15] <cradek> those are faster than the hnc. I thought you had it sped up, except the chips and oil look right
[21:43:47] <rob__H> yea it does fly now that machine, 10m/min rapids
[21:44:12] <cradek> in your gang tooling setup are those little ER collet chucks?
[21:44:25] <rob__H> yep, ER16 in this case, on 20mm shanks
[21:44:44] <rob__H> home made if you notice :)
[21:44:47] <cradek> I bet that's a very convenient way to do drilling type stuff
[21:44:48] <rob__H> the block that is
[21:44:52] <cradek> neat
[21:45:03] <rob__H> so is the turning holder
[21:45:23] <cradek> heh the only clue is they're not black
[21:45:39] <rob__H> ye and no fancy adjuster thing too
[21:45:42] <rob__H> for the hight
[21:45:55] <`Nerobro_> so, er16 and er32 are the tiny collets
[21:45:59] <`Nerobro_> desgined for tool changers
[21:46:00] <`Nerobro_> right?
[21:46:16] <rob__H> yea same as you would have in Mill in ER collets
[21:46:32] <cradek> ER are a collet family that have a wide clamping range, so if you have a full set of collets you can clamp any size
[21:46:36] <rob__H> ER16 go 1mm - 10mm
[21:46:38] <cradek> important for drills
[21:47:17] <cradek> ER40 can do about 1/8" to 1" (26mm)
[21:47:23] <rob__H> you can get tap holding collets for ER also, but i dont bother
[21:47:30] <cradek> yeah, why bother for small taps
[21:47:51] <cradek> I put 1/4 taps in regular ERs all the time
[21:49:15] <cradek> oh the turret is bidirectional! cool, another improvement over the hnc.
[21:49:37] <rob__H> it used to be single like HNC as its the same design 90% of
[21:49:53] <rob__H> so we slapped a little servo motor in there instead :)
[21:50:02] <cradek> heh, cool
[21:50:12] <cradek> still air for the lift?
[21:50:17] <rob__H> well, 400w servo
[21:50:21] <rob__H> yea not alot you can do there
[21:50:41] <rob__H> was trying to stop it eating the air when in use
[21:50:52] <cradek> yeah they're bad for that
[21:50:57] <rob__H> now just collet closer leaking alot of air you can probly hear in video
[21:50:59] <cradek> it's mostly the collet closer though I think
[21:51:49] <rob__H> just picked up a kitagawa hydrolic closer to go on it... so that will be the end of that then
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[21:53:38] <cradek> is CHNC bigger than 5C?
[21:53:44] <rob__H> 16C
[21:53:52] <rob__H> 42mm Max down spindle bore
[21:53:56] <rob__H> and collet
[21:54:04] <cradek> aha
[21:54:12] <rob__H> but can put collet in them that takes the C5
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[21:54:25] <rob__H> as 16C collets are pricy compared to there 5C size
[21:54:52] <cradek> yeah 5C are made everywhere in china, I bet 16C are made approximately nowhere, relatively
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[21:56:31] <rob__H> not as bad as it used to be, hardinge is crazy on price... but one UK company making them for around 70 now which is not bad used to be 110 min
[21:57:53] <rob__H> we do have a deadlength collet set now too and they work grate no pullback action then
[21:58:47] <cradek> this isn't your first retrofit I'm guessing
[21:58:55] <rob__H> 4th
[21:59:06] <cradek> all in one shop?
[21:59:20] <rob__H> leadwell 550 in videos was 1st, then a hardinge superslant, then the 2nd one.. then the little chnc
[21:59:23] <rob__H> yea
[21:59:27] <rob__H> my shop :)
[22:00:18] <rob__H> next planned is 4 axis hardinge superslant lathe with power tooling on one turret
[22:00:42] <cradek> ooh fun
[22:01:16] <rob__H> plus two VMCs waiting for my time at some point
[22:01:43] <Tom_itx> what motherboards do you use on them?
[22:01:45] <rob__H> one random tooled dahli.. other just bigger leadwell
[22:02:02] <rob__H> when ever i can get my hands on at the build time that works well
[22:02:40] <rob__H> i think the chnc has some Asus AMD AM3 board in it, with mesa hardware
[22:04:27] <cradek> my next machining project is a homemade delta robot - ought to be interesting at least.
[22:04:48] <rob__H> can it come and load my machine :)
[22:05:14] <cradek> eh, get yer own
[22:05:21] <rob__H> haha
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[22:06:14] <rob__H> every time i see a robot arm loading a machine it always looks pritty slow to me tho
[22:07:24] <syyl_> every time i see a robot arm loading a machine I wait for something crash-full to happen :D
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[22:10:01] <cradek> it's unusual to enjoy reading comments on youtube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G_UmhUjZhNo
[22:10:56] <syyl_> wow
[22:11:02] <syyl_> serious comments
[22:11:08] <syyl_> on youtube Oo
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[22:46:07] <PetefromTn> That machine is some piece of work. I love watching it move and tilt like that. I know they are making large metalworking machined like this now too...
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[23:25:58] <spacka> is that hexapod thing a deltabot?"
[23:26:04] <spacka> and how is it 6 axis? :o
[23:26:09] <spacka> i don't see 6 axes there
[23:26:27] <spacka> are they not demonstrating them all?
[23:27:32] <Tom_itx> each arm is 2 axis
[23:27:35] <spacka> holy crap, i guess it's basically one of these:
[23:27:37] <Tom_itx> they pivot
[23:27:39] <spacka> https://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&feature=fvwp&v=NDzUiZsbQtw
[23:27:48] <spacka> so it can do what i just pasted?
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[23:28:14] <spacka> but they were only demonstrating 3 of the axes?
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[23:29:02] <Tom_itx> look closer
[23:29:26] <spacka> i see that they need to control 6 things to get it to move like that
[23:29:38] <spacka> but i don't see it demonstrating 6 axis capability
[23:48:45] <CaptHindsight> anyone ever seen a differential pressure sensor for Arduino? lots of barometric
[23:51:55] <spacka> i suppose you could use 2 of those
[23:51:56] <spacka> :)
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