#linuxcnc | Logs for 2013-07-05

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[16:36:28] <qrp> finally, I send my first bug report to the source forge. It cost me two days, because of the internet problem.
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[16:37:54] <IchGuckLive> hi all B)
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[16:43:46] <IchGuckLive> is psha log down ?
[16:44:25] <Tom_itx> it's still here
[16:44:28] <Tom_itx> dunno
[16:44:46] <IchGuckLive> no log for today or yesterday
[16:44:58] <Tom_itx> zlog works
[16:44:58] <zlog> Tom_itx: Log stored at http://tom-itx.dyndns.org:81/~tom-itx/irc/logs/%23linuxcnc/2013-07-05.html
[16:45:16] <IchGuckLive> B)
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[16:47:27] <IchGuckLive> hi Simooon
[16:47:43] <IchGuckLive> denmark still floating above selevel ?
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[16:49:39] <Simooon> IchGuckLive, for now ;-)
[16:50:01] <IchGuckLive> ;-)
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[16:55:33] <IchGuckLive> Heinz_60: spindel isel running
[16:56:01] <IchGuckLive> did the selfmade comp work out the rpm to 6bit
[16:56:06] <Heinz_60> Not completely
[16:56:27] <Heinz_60> Yeag, your file works great
[16:56:39] <IchGuckLive> SMILE
[16:57:19] <Heinz_60> Now i have my 6 Bits on my mesa Output port
[16:57:34] <IchGuckLive> as expected
[16:57:49] <Heinz_60> Yes
[16:59:17] <IchGuckLive> Not completely means what hint
[16:59:31] <andypugh> qrp: Did you allocate the bug to a specific dev?
[16:59:59] <Heinz_60> Ive set 22volt on field Power
[17:00:20] <IchGuckLive> the optocoplers take up to 22V
[17:00:36] <qrp> no, I did not
[17:00:40] <IchGuckLive> acorrding to datasheet with a resistor in line
[17:01:01] <andypugh> qrp: It doesn't matter, I was just curious.
[17:01:17] <Heinz_60> Which optocouplers?
[17:01:29] <IchGuckLive> of the isel ism200
[17:01:34] <IchGuckLive> 300
[17:02:05] <qrp> a tiny bug, some one suggest me sharing the thinking
[17:02:39] <IchGuckLive> Heinz_60: but better to go for a 2803
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[17:03:10] <Heinz_60> 2803?
[17:03:19] <qrp> pwm output , using a RC low pass filter , became analog spindle signal
[17:03:25] <IchGuckLive> or simple finder 81 line relays 5mm width
[17:03:26] <qrp> ULN2803
[17:03:49] <qrp> digital output device?
[17:04:09] <qrp> 1 A current can received?
[17:04:15] <IchGuckLive> qrp: he needs 6bit 22V to 5Vttl
[17:04:23] <Heinz_60> Oh ok. Yeah digital drived spindle
[17:05:16] <Heinz_60> Tomorrow i will measure the current at my calculatet resistors
[17:05:18] <qrp> low current, optocouplers is a good idea
[17:05:48] <IchGuckLive> acording to the datasheed they shoudt be inside the spindel driver
[17:06:16] <qrp> digital signal is easier to isolate, so pwm is a good idea, I think
[17:06:22] <Heinz_60> Ill think there aee still optocouplers inside the ism300
[17:08:17] <qrp> what is ism300?
[17:08:20] <Heinz_60> I wanna check the cables from ism300 to 7i76 but i have no description for the ism300 output field
[17:08:58] <Heinz_60> A very old spindle drivers made by isel
[17:09:25] <qrp> oh, thank you
[17:09:54] <qrp> analog signal usualy don't isolate
[17:10:27] <IchGuckLive> Heinz_60: go for 3,3Kohm and you are fine
[17:10:51] <qrp> so I don't think this is a analog opocoupler in spindle driver
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[17:11:05] <Heinz_60> Spannungsteiler?
[17:11:15] <IchGuckLive> qrp: its a very uniq thing
[17:11:24] <IchGuckLive> nein in linie
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[17:11:51] <qrp> i like uniq thing
[17:12:10] <Heinz_60> Ok
[17:12:21] <IchGuckLive> he has the full datasheet so he can work throu it
[17:13:27] <andypugh> qrp: The problem probably lies somewhere in one of the zh_ files here: http://git.linuxcnc.org/gitweb?p=linuxcnc.git;a=tree;f=src/po;h=254d1e0b8299b136a2548ed81688f17941f4b368;hb=refs/heads/v2.5_branch
[17:13:28] <IchGuckLive> dont forget same GND
[17:14:52] <qrp> andypugh : thank you very much
[17:15:02] <IchGuckLive> andypugh: ZH requires ttf-sil-yi installed
[17:15:33] <IchGuckLive> at liest 1.1 better the 1.2
[17:16:11] <IchGuckLive> the ttf-sil-dai or even banna most uses will fail
[17:17:47] <IchGuckLive> therfore hthk always askes for ttf-sil udf-8
[17:18:36] <Heinz_60> Same ground is done
[17:19:51] <IchGuckLive> there is also a MAIN spindel on signal at the serial connector maybe this needs also a on signal
[17:20:14] <IchGuckLive> as the 6bit only desides the rpm
[17:20:16] <Heinz_60> A few days and all is working
[17:21:26] <qrp> #: src/emc/usr_intf/stepconf/stepconf.glade:785 6790 #: src/emc/usr_intf/pncconf/pncconf.glade:326 6791 msgid "" 6792 "Inch\n" 6793 "Millimeter" 6794 msgstr "英制/公制" 6795
[17:21:38] <Heinz_60> Tried a few cables and spindle drives with ttl
[17:21:45] <qrp> these lines of code is the problem
[17:22:50] <qrp> zh_cn.po file
[17:23:17] <IchGuckLive> Heinz_60: E0-E5 Data E7 is also to be High for the direction
[17:23:33] <andypugh> Is the problem stepconf or pncconf?
[17:23:54] <qrp> from the code ,both have the problem
[17:23:59] <Heinz_60> Ok thanks
[17:24:38] <IchGuckLive> qrp: 英制/公制 = Inch/metric the / is the hint
[17:25:11] <qrp> yes ,translate problem,
[17:25:29] <qrp> two lines become one line
[17:26:03] <Jymmm> Literal translation: Inch / Metric
[17:27:21] <qrp> inch means 英制; metric means 公制
[17:29:29] <IchGuckLive> yes all clear but the / is not loaded as the chletters come up
[17:29:40] <andypugh> I think the file must exist somewhere on your systen too
[17:30:12] <andypugh> (I am trying to load up my dev environment to have a play around with the formatting)
[17:33:13] <IchGuckLive> translatable="yes">Inch Millimeter
[17:34:09] <IchGuckLive> so the msg str comand heds of as it reatches the /
[17:34:30] <qrp> msgstr " "
[17:34:42] <qrp> "英制\n"
[17:34:51] <qrp> "公制"
[17:35:33] <qrp> I think this should be the right code in the file zh_cn.po, line 6794
[17:36:31] <IchGuckLive> i woudt go for both without the / as you diont know if its a eng chinese or a metric
[17:36:35] <Jymmm> Oh phuk me, you guys still on that crap. Move on already... https://translate.google.com/?q=%E8%8B%B1%E5%88%B6/%E5%85%AC%E5%88%B6&um=1&ie=UTF-8&hl=en&sa=N&tab=wT
[17:37:26] <IchGuckLive> Jymmm: as we always are supost to do
[17:38:41] <Jymmm> IchGuckLive: What, run a topic into the ground?
[17:39:26] <IchGuckLive> no support the toppic to the master
[17:40:34] * Jymmm smacks IchGuckLive with a Clue-by-Four™
[17:40:41] <IchGuckLive> why not go for units 單位
[17:40:53] <Jymmm> Goony goo goo
[17:40:59] <andypugh> Jymmm: The question is what the bug-fix needs to be.
[17:41:11] <IchGuckLive> so the chinise worker knows what the mashine is o n
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[17:41:25] <Jymmm> andypugh: Tequila is ALWAYS the answer.
[17:42:05] <andypugh> It's always _an_ answer.
[17:42:16] <Jymmm> heh
[17:42:29] <qrp> you are so kind
[17:44:46] <qrp> i am so sorry, I have to go, thanks for your help
[17:45:20] <qrp> I will try to learn more about the linuxcnc and try to fix the bug
[17:45:50] <IchGuckLive> qrp: your elcome !
[17:45:56] <andypugh> If you add the fix to the bug tracker, that might be best.
[17:45:57] <IchGuckLive> w
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[17:47:03] <IchGuckLive> PetefromTn: bad weather hedding your way up to 100mm rain in the next 72hr
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[18:51:42] <ktchk> Hi which 4 axis cam is good for linuxcnc ?
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[19:01:26] <andypugh> ktchk: A good question. I await answers too.
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[19:04:26] <archivist> most cam I have seen either costs a lot or has a limited usage, depends on how much you want to learn to use something
[19:05:20] <archivist> andypugh, should be in London Wednesday, got myself booked into a little archiving conference
[19:05:57] <andypugh> archivist: Where is the conference?
[19:06:07] <archivist> UCL
[19:06:33] <andypugh> I have several friends who work there.
[19:06:49] <archivist> ah :)
[19:07:18] <andypugh> You OK for accommodation?
[19:07:34] <Jymmm> archivist: I thought you did that for personal use, didn't realize it was a hobby for you.
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[19:08:31] <andypugh> Good heavens! http://youtu.be/3IAZJ67HqFs
[19:08:51] <archivist> andypugh, will drive down early am conf is a one day freebee meets at Roberts Building Foyer. have to do something Thursday at 10 am rest is free time
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[19:09:38] <archivist> Jymmm, well I do a few online requests now so may as well get known etc
[19:10:17] <Jymmm> archivist: Ah, ok =) I might have to pick your brain on a couple of things sometime.
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[19:11:17] <archivist> andypugh, heh big spring, at least I knew what resorts meant (common in clocks)
[19:11:31] <andypugh> If you want to meet up, I am 30 mins away by train. (ish). I have keys for the garage of a 1916 Fire Engine in South Kensington.
[19:12:55] <ktchk> archivist: price range US150 which one works with a postprocessor for linuxcnc?
[19:13:19] <archivist> hmm fire engine.....
[19:13:20] <Jymmm> andypugh: and the keys for the fire engine too?
[19:13:25] <CaptHindsight> I'm picturing you two pulling up to a pub riding in that truck :)
[19:13:31] <archivist> hehe
[19:13:49] <andypugh> archivist: One of my UCL friends had a 14TB datastore in 1998. It's probbaly followed Moore's Law
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[19:14:52] <archivist> ew rather large
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[19:15:59] <andypugh> Actually, the main use of the Fire Engine is pub crawls, it belongs to a Students' Union
[19:17:04] <Jymmm> lol, love it!!!
[19:17:55] <andypugh> http://www.flickr.com/photos/ashley-brown/499835580/ for example
[19:18:43] <archivist> kick out is about 3:30 I think, I have on recent years used a nice tiny almost unmarked car park near euston
[19:21:23] <andypugh> I have enquired of my local contacts of sneaky carp-arking options.
[19:22:15] <archivist> N Gower St
[19:22:32] <ktchk> bye
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[19:22:38] <andypugh> That's rather close anyway, I think
[19:23:22] <archivist> near enough day rate is probably 15 now was 10 when I first went
[19:24:05] <archivist> just north of inner london too and congestion charges
[19:24:52] <andypugh> Ah, yes, I can generally ignore those. I only ride my bike or drive the Fire Engine in London.
[19:25:29] <andypugh> (And back to Jymmm's question) There are no keys, and I am one of the half dozen or so approved drivers.
[19:25:45] <archivist> I save money as best I can, I bet the fuel will be cheaper than train fair too
[19:25:46] <Jymmm> WOOHOO!!!
[19:27:10] <Jymmm> http://www.scienceagogo.com/news/20130604032034data_trunc_sys.shtml
[19:27:21] <archivist> and thinking of arcchives a request has just come in the last few minutes for an Advance SG67A
[19:27:33] <andypugh> archivist: Almost certainly, which is really messed-up
[19:28:15] <archivist> yes silly that a single car and all day parking is cheaper
[19:29:26] <andypugh> Jymmm: "Goffin boffin Alice Auersperg" Are you sure that is a real article?
[19:29:30] <archivist> andypugh, my driving job is Sunday :)
[19:30:01] <Jymmm> andypugh: No idea, video/article is kinda cool though.
[19:31:10] <andypugh> Considering that I have seen a parrot correctly answer (in words) the question "how many of these keyringsa re blue" I am not astonished.
[19:31:35] <Jymmm> =)
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[19:33:56] <andypugh> Hang on, that parrot just unscrewed a bolt! I know humans who get that wrong.
[19:50:52] <CaptHindsight> note to self: Keep tool boxes away from birdcages.
[19:54:14] <andypugh> CaptHindsight: Were you here earlier? There is a problem with the zh_CN.po file, specifically the units dropdown in pncconf and stepconf.
[19:54:44] <andypugh> Of course I might be incorrectly confusing you with L84supper.
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[20:07:17] <andypugh> _Not_ a CNC candidate: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/151075564429?pt=UK_Home_Garden_PowerTools_SM&hash=item232cce2b8d
[20:08:41] <Loetmichel> andypugh: why not?
[20:09:06] <andypugh> Loetmichel: No motors at all?
[20:09:11] <archivist> a certain amount of madness to cnc this too 190866023418
[20:09:27] <Loetmichel> its a bit (OK, a lot LOT) of work, but if the ways are good: can be converted ;-)
[20:09:31] <andypugh> I guess you _could_ fit a generator to the flywheel to drive steppers :-(
[20:10:57] <andypugh> lathes.co.uk is very positive about the Britan. I can see it being worth a conversion if you had paying work for it.
[20:11:41] <andypugh> archivist: I don;t suppose you have any spare 4NS collets?
[20:13:58] <archivist> the tool rest is weird and the rotating tool holder, both behind the axis so the lathe rotates the other way, also its feeds are hydraulic so not an easy conversion
[20:14:38] <archivist> and boos would return from the basement covered in oil when using it
[20:14:42] <archivist> boss
[20:15:31] <archivist> I did not accept nor request one as a freebee on redundancy
[20:17:30] <andypugh> I just had a survey from eBay about a support request.
[20:18:32] <andypugh> I had an issue with some ER20 collet nuts, the seller decided they didn't have stock, and refunded, but eBay kept insisting I needed to pay (again).
[20:19:25] <andypugh> As the email from ebay bagan with "Hello Paul, Thank you for writing to eBay with regard to your recently purchased items 'Next dress' and 'Mens brown leather shoes'." I quite enjoyed filling out the survey.
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[20:22:37] <archivist> hmm cross dresser !
[20:24:47] <andypugh> Paul might well be. I am more of a "slightly annoyed dresser"
[20:25:35] <archivist> we get a "visitor" like that at Leawood
[20:26:11] <archivist> his wig and hot pants do not suit
[20:27:37] <andypugh> I can't rationalise how some garments are for females and some for males, so try to ignore the unexpected.
[20:29:02] <archivist> which reminds me of this on the beeb website no shorts rule http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-22828150
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[20:33:02] <andypugh> I have occasionally considered that a skirt or similar would be more practical in hot weather (ie, above 60F) but in the battle between logic and cultural conditioning, the conditioning always wins.
[20:35:49] <Jymmm> TOGA! TOGA! TOGA!
[20:37:09] <Jymmm> andypugh: Just get a Kilt and be done with it already
[20:37:37] <andypugh> The thing about kilts is that they are really very warm.
[20:37:51] <andypugh> Being made of 1/2" thick wool.
[20:37:59] <Jymmm> andypugh: I didn't say it had to be "Traditional"
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[20:48:14] <archivist> two manuals scanned, poor originals
[20:49:55] <Tom_itx> archivist, did you get the boss5 books yet?
[20:50:12] <archivist> no not yet
[20:51:06] <archivist> but going to London next week
[20:51:12] <Tom_itx> well they should be a little closer to you than they were
[20:51:21] <archivist> :)
[20:51:39] <archivist> Thanks
[20:51:44] <Tom_itx> np
[20:51:53] <Tom_itx> toss out any personal notes you may find
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[20:52:12] <Tom_itx> i haven't opened em in several years
[20:52:42] <archivist> notes can be amusing, I usually leave them in but dont scan
[20:52:57] <Tom_itx> i don't recall any but you never know
[20:53:25] <Tom_itx> unless of course they may be helpful to somebody...
[20:55:15] <archivist> I have lots of notes from the last owner in some scope manuals, but not sure of the quality of his particular notes so usually leave them off scans
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[21:00:44] <Tom_itx> i'm pretty sure all we ever used em for was the 20ma current loop interface to wire up to a pc
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[21:05:18] <archivist> andypugh, hmm mentions sailing too http://www.communityarchives.org.uk/page_id__1259_path__.aspx
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[21:06:09] <andypugh> I watched the last of the three BBC documenataries (The Legenderrys) about my boat last night.
[21:06:10] <Loetmichel> sooo, the 12" TFT works... now i have to mill a nice back cover and some switches/led in the side, and my CNC mill has a new screen ;-) -> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=14313
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[21:13:04] <DJ9DJ> gn8
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[21:17:42] <Loetmichel> PetefromTn? seen it? "it runs" *[insert mad scientinst laughter here]*
[21:19:24] <PetefromTn> Loetmichel: NIce man congrats. It sure is a nice feeling when it finally runs huh. Peace
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[21:21:51] <Loetmichel> its a bit botched up.. my eyes were better sometimes... have to resolder some of the lvds wires, it flickers occasionally ;-)
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[21:22:26] <Loetmichel> but thats a job to do when the back cover is done, so i can mount the PCB.
[21:23:22] <PetefromTn> Flickers is NOT GOOD..
[21:29:34] <Loetmichel> just some cold solder joints, the wires are solid, when the pcb moves...
[21:29:44] <Loetmichel> nothing bad
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[21:36:47] <PetefromTn> Well good luck with it.
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[21:37:51] <PetefromTn> I sold my damn Compound Bow to a guy in Ohio and mistakenly thought the bow was 70 lbs draw and it was actually 60 lbs so he is gonna send it back to me. Now I have TWO potential buyers for it and the bow is not gonna be here until maybe tuesday or wednesday BUMMER>
[21:39:59] <Loetmichel> hrhr
[21:40:12] <Loetmichel> had a 90lbs compund once
[21:40:17] <Loetmichel> adjustable
[21:40:22] <Loetmichel> from 45 to 90
[21:40:32] <skunkworks> heh
[21:41:24] <Loetmichel> @90lbs it was able to soot about 10 arrows, then my arms began to tremble
[21:41:26] <Loetmichel> :-)
[21:41:35] <Loetmichel> shoot
[21:43:16] <andypugh> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English_longbow#Draw_weights
[21:44:21] <andypugh> I remember seeing Brian Blessed (a huge actor) struggling with a Mary Rose longbow.
[21:45:23] <andypugh> From that article it sounds like they might have pressed the bottom horn on the ground to draw.
[21:46:52] <skunkworks> that would help a bit.
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[21:59:47] <PetefromTn> can't imagine a 90 lb bow and i'm 6' 220...
[22:01:50] <archivist> did you notice the bit about the skeleton changes in the archers :)
[22:15:38] <andypugh> There is a field adjacent to my parents' old house stlll called "Butts" which is where they did their compulsory archery way back when.
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[22:19:54] <archivist> bah some sellers should be shot 151061911855 picture not of actual item and every posh name he could think of
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[22:25:43] <andypugh> Must be a thing about actors, the "Robert Hardy" mentioned in that Longbow article is the actor. http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0362735/?ref_=fn_al_nm_1
[22:26:49] <andypugh> He didn't mention "Rivett" :-)
[22:28:35] <andypugh> I might actually "finish" the Harrison this weekend. I have all the parts/castings now.
[22:29:41] <andypugh> Then I find myself wondering what the Chinese Junk is worth. I need the space, and it is one of the most famous horrible lathes in the world :-)
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[23:44:02] <JT-Shop> has to be at least worth it's weight at the scrapper
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