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[04:12:49] <tjtr33> plz check my math: the meeting tomorrow is 1600 gmt, and my hometown Chicago is -5 , so is that 11>AM< to me?
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[04:28:03] <Tom_itx> Chicago (U.S.A. - Illinois) Saturday, June 29, 2013 at 11:00:00 AM CDT
[04:28:17] <Tom_itx> http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/converted.html?iso=20130629T16&p1=0&p2=64
[04:38:21] <tjtr33> thx, i didnt believe the google result. I was surprised at the resulting 'nice middle of day for USA people', thx for confirmation
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[06:49:33] <DJ9DJ> moin
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[08:01:38] <Loetmichel> mornin'
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[10:26:35] <jthornton> ,ptmomh
[10:27:45] <archivist> good spelling for a cat
[10:28:34] <jthornton> or a sleepy eyed person with their glasses off
[10:33:07] <Loetmichel> jthornton: not trained in 10-finger-system? ;-)
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[10:33:42] <jthornton> yes, but the little pips are hard to feel
[10:33:45] <Loetmichel> (me neither, but i can HEAR which key i had hit because i have a IBM model M here ;-)
[10:34:42] <jthornton> is there a G93 example somewhere?
[10:35:06] <Loetmichel> "click-click-click-clock-click-clack"
[10:35:21] <Loetmichel> you mean cherry?
[10:35:45] <Loetmichel> no, i have only G80, g84 and g85 here
[10:36:20] <jthornton> I'm looking for an example that uses XYZA with G93
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[11:03:34] <Loetmichel> ah, the gode. sorry for misinterpretation:-)
[11:03:54] <Loetmichel> not the keyboard
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[12:30:53] <MrSunshine> hmm trying to make a pressfit for 608 bearings ... havent found any figures on it so ... well i can press the bearing in without much effort with the drill press, but problem is that the bearing after i press it in starts "cogging" while if i take it out again it isnt cogging anymore =)
[12:30:56] <MrSunshine> kogging ?
[12:31:04] <MrSunshine> oh well, anyone got any idea for me here? to tight a fit ?
[12:32:33] <archivist> cogging was right
[12:33:21] <archivist> but press fits are a bit of an art and you seem to have too much interference
[12:33:24] <MrSunshine> might be to thin walls in it for a pres fit? :)
[12:33:49] <MrSunshine> well i guess ill have to take it out then and try and sand up the hole some =)
[12:34:15] <archivist> bearings can be got with excess clearance for a defined press fit
[12:34:55] <archivist> what are the current measurements of bearing and hole
[12:35:38] <archivist> rule of thumb is 1 thou plus a thou per inch of diameter ish
[12:36:49] <MrSunshine> hole is 0.02mm under and bering is exactly 22mm
[12:36:57] <MrSunshine> hole is 22mm
[12:37:29] <archivist> most rules I have seen start at inch diameter anything below is an experiment
[12:41:00] <archivist> if your bearing is made for running fit, then it will be too tight in a press fit probably
[12:41:21] <MrSunshine> hmm might be like that =)
[12:41:50] <MrSunshine> gonna try and sand up the hole some with some "emmory?" and a drill =)
[12:41:55] <MrSunshine> to make it a but loser =)
[12:42:35] <archivist> and how well can you measure those sizes
[12:42:50] <MrSunshine> using telescoping guages and micrometer
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[12:43:48] <archivist> resolution?
[12:43:58] <archivist> and accuracy
[12:44:15] <MrSunshine> well accuracy i dont know of the micrometer realy ... but 0.01mm
[12:44:23] <MrSunshine> its not a high end one =)
[12:44:29] <DJ9DJ> re
[12:44:31] <archivist> it may be that your interference is slightly too much
[12:47:10] <MrSunshine> i should make some press"blocks" for bearing pressing as a lathe project =)
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[12:53:57] <archivist> socket set
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[12:59:54] <skunkworks> sockets work great for lots of pressing operations :)
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[13:13:35] <tjtr33> huh? email from MattS this morn said meeting was "now (Saturday the 29th of June, 2013 - 4:00pmGMT/9:00amEST)" . wiki sez 16:00 gmt
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[13:16:30] <PetefromTn> Morning folks..
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[13:19:33] <JLuc69> salut le group
[13:19:54] <PetefromTn> hand salute..
[13:20:16] <JLuc69> ça parle français ici ?
[13:20:38] <PetefromTn> no....but I can say escargot...?
[13:20:42] <tjtr33> bonjour ( sorry i do not speak French ) ( je ne parle Fran... i ferget )
[13:20:59] <JLuc69> j'aurais quelques questions :/
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[13:21:58] <JLuc69> est ce que linuxCNC pilote les carte RS232 ?
[13:23:14] <tjtr33> hmm, something about an rs232 card driver
[13:23:31] <PetefromTn> yup..
[13:24:21] <PetefromTn> Are they having the discussions today on here about future of LinuxCNC?
[13:24:38] <archivist> rs232 is not good for realtime control, only used for the odd peripheral
[13:24:52] <archivist> #linuxcnc-meet
[13:25:12] <tjtr33> JLuc69 S'il vous plaît essayez plus tard dans la journée. Peut-être quelqu'un peut parler français. C'est à partir de Google Translate.
[13:25:33] <JLuc69> I own a card control InterCNC v1.5 driven by Gilead
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[13:25:55] <JLuc69> s/ Gilead/Galaad
[13:26:30] <JLuc69> but is in RS232, not parallel
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[13:32:54] <Tom_itx> tjtr33, what is this meeting you speak of?
[13:34:04] <archivist> #linuxcnc-meet
[13:34:13] <archivist> 4pm GMT
[13:35:14] <tjtr33> yep
[13:35:50] <tjtr33> http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?MeetingsOnIRC control your destiny! shoes for the people!
[13:36:15] <PetefromTn> LOL...crackup.
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[13:44:22] <Tom_itx> to meet about what?
[13:44:53] <archivist> life the universe and everything
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[13:45:14] <PetefromTn> yeah its gonna be AMAZING LOL
[13:45:14] <Tom_itx> i thought that's what we did here
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[13:46:02] <tjtr33> the wiki pages say/should say ~' future of linuxcnc' sorta kinda. proposals ( clear and with a method) not wishlists
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[13:46:27] <PetefromTn> what's wrong with wishlists LOL?
[13:46:28] <tjtr33> ^^^ Tom_itx re the purpose of the special meeting
[13:46:42] <tjtr33> not at this discussion, great here tho
[13:46:58] <Tom_itx> does it do any good?
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[13:47:21] <tjtr33> this is good , prioir to the meeting there is open discussion, at the meeting concrete proposals great
[13:47:22] <Tom_itx> or do the powers that be take it where they see fit anyway?
[13:47:22] <bigalex> Hi guys from Italy !!!
[13:47:45] <PetefromTn> Heya Alex..
[13:47:52] <tjtr33> you can be a power too, just be a power with a plan
[13:47:58] <PetefromTn> I thought WE ALL were the powers that be?
[13:48:38] <Tom_itx> items should be concrete proposals and not open questions
[13:48:44] <Tom_itx> not irc chit chat
[13:49:24] <PetefromTn> Okay so what are some ideas you guys are interested in proposing?
[13:49:38] <bigalex> What is the object of the meeting .... is it a sort of brain storming ?
[13:49:51] <tjtr33> and prediscussed here on this normal irc to 'kick it around' maybe the idea is great, maybe stupid
[13:50:13] <Tom_itx> i would like to see 'run from line' executed in a better way
[13:50:27] <Tom_itx> i've heard talk of moving it to debian
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[13:52:19] <PetefromTn> what exactly about run from line are you talking about?
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[13:52:54] <zultron> You guys figured out what the meeting is about yet?
http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?MeetingsOnIRC http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?Meeting201306
[13:53:10] <PetefromTn> Personally I know I am just a noob but I would love to see some of the features I used on the Haas Machines instituted..
[13:53:11] <tjtr33> if you raised that at the meeting ( a good thing ) then you'd need to support it with a plan of implementation ( sorta what & how are needed )
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[13:54:21] <zultron> Hi tjtr33, you're Tom Powderly right?
[13:54:38] <tjtr33> yep
[13:54:51] <zultron> Nice to meet you in Wichita. :)
[13:55:26] <tjtr33> i dont recall a name badge with zultron :) hello tho
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[13:56:05] <zultron> John Morris from Austin. BTW, you said you go to classic motorcycle swap meets. If you ever come across a Neracar tail light, get it and I'll pay you 2x for it. :)
[13:56:08] <PetefromTn> quassel tells me Zultron is John morris
[13:56:23] <tjtr33> John, hello, very nice to meet you, great work too
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[13:56:54] <mshaver1> zultron: YOU HAVE A NERACAR?!
[13:57:07] <tjtr33> i think andypugh or archivist has a neracar
[13:57:18] <zultron> Yessir. My great-grandpa designed them. :)
[13:57:22] <tjtr33> wow!
[13:57:29] <mshaver1> WOW!
[13:57:32] <zultron> Andy does. We've chatted a little about them.
[13:57:55] <PetefromTn> Pete is going to lookup what the hell a neracar is..
[13:58:03] <zultron> http://www.butchwax.com/2011/01/1924-ner-a-car-back-in-the-family/
[13:58:09] <archivist> tjtr33, no I dont
[13:58:40] <mshaver1> Of course you know I now will need closeup pictures of the hub center steering mechanism.
[13:58:51] <PetefromTn> sweet, interesting design.... thank your great grandpa for me if he is still here LOL
[13:59:00] <zultron> That's me and my dad, Carl Neracher Morris. The Neracar was a pun on his grandpa's name, Carl Neracher. Unfortunately my dad likes puns, too.
[13:59:08] <tjtr33> "The illustrated dictionary of motorcycles" p326
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[13:59:24] <tjtr33> archivist, sorry, it was Andy had one
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[13:59:39] <zultron> Hmm, I'll have to get pics. Also the weird friction drive continuously variable transmission. :)
[13:59:53] <tjtr33> rolling cone?
[14:00:29] <micges> the_wench: hi
[14:00:30] <zultron> It's a friction ring that can be moved closer to or farther from the center of the flywheel.
[14:00:46] <PetefromTn> zultron: Nice man, so that is what the great and mysterious Zultron looks like LOL and his dad too!
[14:01:15] <zultron> There's a 'clutch' that controls the pressure between them.
[14:01:52] <mshaver1> I didn't know it had a CVT, the hub-center-steering thing is what attracted me :) Seriously, next time you're near the machine with a camera, go wild!
[14:02:00] <zultron> Hi PetefromTn! I've seen you chatting around here, but didn't know I had a reputation here. :)
[14:02:22] <PetefromTn> zultron: LOL nope, I'm just a noob LOL
[14:02:48] <zultron> mshaver1, I'll do that for sure. Silly that I haven't already. I'm rather amazed you know what a Neracar is.
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[14:05:07] <PetefromTn> just thinking about this meeting later on, I am new to thhe whle LinuxCNC thing here but I am wondering if there is a way to say in manual mode when you are not running a program can you turn the spindle on and off while keeping the speed setting. Also I have a glade VCP panel with MPG buttons and i is going to be getting spindle feedback information at some point but I am wondering if there is a spindle speed readout in the
[14:05:07] <PetefromTn> basic axis display somewhere? Can you somehow set a spindle speed and then be able to turn off the spindle and turn it back on without having to ramp it up?
[14:05:25] <Tom_itx> http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/converter.html
[14:05:27] <Tom_itx> for you who are trying to figure out what time the meeting starts, it's 1600 GMT
[14:06:21] <Tom_itx> we can put ppl on the moon but we can't tell time
[14:06:44] <bigalex> Is there any kind of meeting report from the Wichita meeting people ?
[14:06:54] <PetefromTn> Also I would love to see buttons on the axis display that give you quickly say 2.5%,5% 25%,50% 100% etc feedrate overrides.
[14:07:12] <Tom_itx> PetefromTn, add them
[14:07:15] <PetefromTn> I know many of these things can be implemented with custom setups
[14:07:32] <Tom_itx> i think this is more for the 'core' of linuxcnc
[14:07:41] <PetefromTn> but for those that are new and NOT programmers it would be nice.
[14:07:59] <Tom_itx> that's where you 'learn' to program
[14:08:09] <Tom_itx> i did, i think most here that do it didd
[14:08:21] <archivist> some would mention the safety aspect
[14:08:30] <PetefromTn> Another thing the HAAS control had that was great was the ability to count cycle and runs on particular tools.
[14:08:40] <Tom_itx> i can do that now
[14:09:03] <mshaver1> zultron: I was an avid motorcyclist (some motocross, but enduro and hare scrambles really) from 13 to about 24 when I had my first child. Lately I've been interested in lightweight bikes which I've been making by cutting up 50cc chinese scooters. There's a whole group of people interested in "feet forward" motorcycle design at feet_forward@yahoogroups.com.
[14:09:10] <archivist> so setting an intentional speed is better than some remembered speed
[14:09:35] <PetefromTn> not understanding your question...
[14:09:58] <zultron> Ah, yes, I've come across the feet forward group while researching Neracars. Neat!
[14:10:23] <zultron> They do any electric bikes?
[14:10:33] <zultron> (or you?)
[14:10:46] <PetefromTn> zultron: Always wondered why we don't see recumbent motorcycles or semi recumbent.
[14:11:05] <mshaver1> Wait a minute...looking for a link I want to show you...
[14:11:31] <tjtr33> zultron i used cyclone on a mongoose, and an 82cc on schwinn ambassador 700c
[14:12:01] <PetefromTn> I build my own recumbent bicycles and have considered making a motorized one..
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[14:19:09] <mshaver1> zultron: I haven't made any electric bikes myself, but the approach I like is this one:
http://www.recumbents.com/wisil/shumaker/
[14:19:09] <zultron> Recumbent motorcycle? That sounds freaky.... Feet-forward not good enough?
[14:19:33] <PetefromTn> zultron: Hey man what kinda engine was in that bike? I was just looking at the pictures, it is an interesting and inventive design, expecially for the time it was built.
[14:20:51] <mshaver1> I've visited with these guys in Ann Arbor:
http://www.currentmotor.com/ They're really serious about electric motorcycles.
[14:20:56] <zultron> Oh, wow, that doesn't look like a cut up Chinese 50cc scooter!
[14:21:12] <PetefromTn> zultron: Actually it is safer with your feet out front in a crash. on typical bikes when you wreck the first thing that happens is you go head over handlebars. Lots of broken necks and spinal injuries. I wrecked my first recumbent and just got some scratches, my feet took most of the impact.
[14:21:24] <mshaver1> zultron: That's not mine :(
[14:21:37] <zultron> PetefromTn, nothing special, a single cylinder 2 stroke, I think about 3 HP.
[14:21:53] <PetefromTn> Ive seen some of the hub motored wheels on bent bikes before.
[14:22:31] <PetefromTn> zultron: Sweet..
[14:23:14] <zultron> Well, that does sound convincing. Reminds me of the "first thing to go through a bug's mind when it hits your windshield" joke....
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[14:23:28] <PetefromTn> LOL yeah there is that.
[14:24:22] <PetefromTn> Honestly I ride my recumbent bike a helluva lot more than I ride my MTB's. It is just so damn comfortable to ride and the speed is effortless...
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[14:24:39] <PetefromTn> almost anyways..
[14:24:48] <PetefromTn> Don't like big hills too much tho.
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[14:31:07] <zultron> mshaver1, ah hah, came across this last night:
http://www.etotheipiplusone.net/?m=201009
[14:31:59] <zultron> The Chinese electric scooters have ungeared electric motors in the rear hub.
[14:32:54] <zultron> I like the idea of doing away with gears by customizing the motor for the application, and then doing a good job of controlling it with the electronics. :)
[14:32:56] <phragment> hi there, i have troubles with a kicad, pcb2gcode, emc workflow, the y axis is inverted; kicad doesnt seem to be able to invert the y axis and i'm failing to invert it using emc
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[14:37:04] <phragment> if i invert the axis using stepperconf, the table isnt mirrored?
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[14:38:43] <tjtr33> i'd like to propose Michael;s jog-while-paused feature at the meeting.
[14:38:53] <tjtr33> heres a description
http://tinyurl.com/pgswvxc
[14:38:56] <tjtr33> heres an implementation
http://git.mah.priv.at/gitweb?p=emc2-dev.git;a=shortlog;h=refs/heads/jog-while-paused-preview1
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[14:40:33] <andypugh> I am not sure if Michael thinks that works?
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[14:41:27] <tjtr33> icould not tell you what he thinks, i can see what he does. what do you mean ( not being snide, just dont understand )
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[14:46:23] <tjtr33> the feature allows mid-cut inspection as in "Hey Jerry the client wants .107 on that tip, you got stock left?" or "Stop now for the fire drill and watch that fancy bit later"
[14:47:09] <tjtr33> ( or "i got my head stuck in the door" GoonShow )
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[14:49:02] <tjtr33> anyone else ever want to stop mid cut & take a peek or check something? then continue? ever done it on another control ( fanuc breakpoint return etc )
[14:49:30] <ssi> it would be a nice thing to have
[14:49:55] <pfred1> I heard there is some way to get LinuxCNC to do that but it is not a straightforward feature IIRC
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[14:50:44] <skunkworks> tjtr33: it would be nice. Right now I just hit pause - run spindle override to 0 and check things out. But run from line seems to work well if I need to abort
[14:51:03] <ssi> I've had bad luck with run from line
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[14:51:13] <ssi> especially if there are modals that need to get set up or something
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[14:52:41] <tjtr33> skunkworks, do you 'burn' at that spot ?
[14:53:08] <tjtr33> pfred1 maybe you mean arceye's method ( check youtube)
[14:53:33] <PetefromTn> Honestly I think the run while paused feature if it worked reliably as LinuxCNC works would be a VERY well used one on my machine. I am always slowing the speed and feed overrides down and pausing to check the progress of my work.
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[14:54:25] <pfred1> tjtr33 it is just a topic I've seen come up a lot
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[14:55:34] <tjtr33> btw: with the meeting in <2hrs please put forward your own proposals and howto's ( thx for the info but i dont wanna hog all the chat )
[14:55:45] <ssi> it's in < 5 minutes isn't it?
[14:56:14] <andypugh> Oh, it is a very useful feature. What I am questioning is whether the method in that patch is the correct solution.
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[14:56:19] <ssi> oh wait we're -4 now aren't we
[14:56:21] <ssi> stupid DST
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[14:56:35] <tjtr33> 1hr 5 afaict but monitor #linuxcnc-meeting to be sure
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[14:57:24] <tjtr33> good point andy, what do you see in the patch thats good/bad/ugly?
[14:57:26] <andypugh> 1600 UTC. UTC clock is here:
http://www.worldtimeserver.com/current_time_in_UTC.aspx
[14:57:35] <zultron> tjtr33, if you have an agenda item to add, put it here:
http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?Meeting201306
[14:57:45] <tjtr33> damn THX!
[14:57:45] <cradek> I don't think anybody, including mhaberler, thinks his patch is anything but a proof of concept
[14:57:48] <JLuc69> un français dans la liste ?
[14:58:38] <PetefromTn> Honestly while that patch looks like a first test it sure seemed to work well.
[14:58:59] <ssi> pete, you guys make any headway on those pulleys?
[14:59:49] <PetefromTn> ssi: Haven't ever seen them yet LOL... Connor is a pretty busy fellow so not surprised.
[14:59:54] <ssi> I need to kick my own ass into getting moving on that machine
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[15:00:05] <PetefromTn> I hear ya man...
[15:00:15] <ssi> I meant to do that last night
[15:00:30] <ssi> I think I'm going to build the control into the cabinet stand
[15:00:31] <PetefromTn> I have a VMC with a toolchanger that does not work yet so there should be some ass kicking going on over at my shop too..
[15:00:43] <cradek> a deeper change (restructure) is needed for changing offsets while paused
[15:00:44] <ssi> but that means pulling the machine off the stand, which if I'm alone means disassembling it
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[15:00:56] <ssi> or I guess I could drag it over to the garage door and use the forklift :P
[15:01:09] <ssi> TOTALLY GONNA USE A FORKLIFT TO PICK UP A 200 LB MACHINE
[15:01:11] <PetefromTn> Honestly I think behind the machine is safer and easier..
[15:01:19] <PetefromTn> LOL wuss..
[15:01:22] <ssi> :)
[15:01:26] <ssi> when all you have is a hammer
[15:01:27] <skunkworks> I thought the patch was simply run from line implimentation
[15:01:44] <andypugh> JLuc69:
http://www.linuxcnc.org/index.php/english/forum/46-francais
[15:01:48] <PetefromTn> Have not enjoyed chatting with U for awhile SSI..
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[15:02:00] <ssi> yeah you'll get used to the fact that I'm ADD as hell
[15:02:06] <ssi> I have thirty projects going at any moment
[15:02:09] <ssi> and more added all the time
[15:02:12] <PetefromTn> oh you too...
[15:02:26] <ssi> I was working hard on the mill, and then I went to california,
[15:02:29] <JLuc69> thinks, andypugh :D
[15:02:31] <PetefromTn> I'm sorry LOL
[15:02:34] <cradek> it implements "go back to the place where you paused" after doing a move. but it implements a totally different kind of jogging, so you don't have the usual jog features including incremental and wheel
[15:02:37] <ssi> and I had dinner with my gf's cousin who is designing a bitcoin mining asic
[15:02:40] <ssi> and so I went down that rabbit hole
[15:02:56] <ssi> so I'm spending my time designing PCBs and writing mining software and doing DTOs for the beagle to do SPI comms and crap
[15:02:58] <andypugh> JLuc69: Mais, si vous avez un question, je peut lire Francais, meis je ne pas parle Francais
[15:03:03] <PetefromTn> dunno what the hell that is...
[15:03:11] <ssi> yea, that's ok, it's a rabbit hole ;)
[15:03:26] <PetefromTn> it would be great if the jog while paused used the standard controls...
[15:03:26] <ssi> also I got some beaglebone capes that have little fpgas on them
[15:03:32] <JLuc69> linuxCNC pilote les cartes séries ?
[15:03:56] <eric_unterhausen> would it be unkind to add an agenda item where we all ridicule Matt Shaver?
[15:03:56] <tjtr33> cradek, thx, i get the 'return to' idea, whats the 'different kind of jogging'?
[15:03:57] <ssi> and one thing I'd really like to do is try to understand how the hostmot2 driver works, to see if I can maybe make a port of it that'll run the fpga on the beagle as if it were a little 5i25
[15:04:17] <Tom_itx> is there source for it?
[15:04:21] <cradek> tjtr33: I'd have to read the patch again
[15:04:26] <tjtr33> thx
[15:04:26] <ssi> for the driver? sure
[15:04:27] <JLuc69> sorry : thank you, andypugh :p
[15:04:36] <ssi> it's just another hill to climp
[15:04:43] <tjtr33> eric: it was really a very clever way to wake you guys up :)
[15:04:46] <Tom_itx> plenty of hills
[15:05:04] <PetefromTn> ya done anything on that sweet aero plane?
[15:05:15] <andypugh> JLuc69: RS232?
[15:05:16] <ssi> PetefromTn: I spent a couple weekends working on my cherokee, which desperately needed it
[15:05:19] <ssi> and I need to finish that up
[15:05:30] <JLuc69> andypugh: yes
[15:05:30] <PetefromTn> so you have ANOTHER plane?
[15:05:34] <ssi> I bought new front glass for it at oshkosh in 2011, and it's been sitting around mocking me
[15:05:38] <ssi> yea
[15:05:47] <ssi> so I finally ripped the glass out and forced myself to do that
[15:05:49] <PetefromTn> Dude you are really starting to piss me off LOL
[15:05:55] <ssi> plus pulled the fuel tank that was leaking and sealed it up
[15:06:11] <ssi> plus did this obnoxious new AD that came out in march that required replacing the elevator cable turnbuckles and rerigging
[15:06:15] <ssi> and they're back in the tailcone
[15:06:20] <ssi> and I'm a fat man with claustrophobia
[15:06:21] <ssi> so that wasn't fun
[15:06:48] <PetefromTn> kinda reminds me of Ace Ventura and the rhino LOL
[15:06:50] <ssi> anyway it's mostly all done... fuel tank is back in place and hooked up, but I gotta put the screws in it
[15:07:01] <ssi> I pulled the altimeter out because I need to get an IFR cert done
[15:07:08] <ssi> but I think I may just stick it back in and fly
[15:07:10] <ssi> seats need to go back in
[15:07:11] <skunkworks> I have never been to the oshkosh air fest.. We had a smaller one in lacrosse which was local to me.
[15:07:15] <ssi> and I need my IA to come sign it off
[15:07:22] <andypugh> JLuc69: There is a Modbus driver.
[15:07:24] <ssi> skunkworks: I've been to oshkosh twice... it's pretty amazing
[15:07:38] <ssi> skunkworks: both times I flew my cherokee there from atlanta and camped next to it for 9 days :)
[15:07:39] <skunkworks> coworker had - he said it was pretty awesome
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[15:07:55] <skunkworks> ssi: that sounds like fun!
[15:08:00] <ssi> it's a lot of fun
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[15:08:20] <JLuc69> andypugh: , ça signifie quoi ?
[15:08:34] <ssi> https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-YXPX7xqq2f0/Rq1uGbHNDuI/AAAAAAAABUo/rvwm_WF4sgg/w1090-h725-no/DSC_8698.JPG
[15:08:42] <ssi> that's the north forty, where I parked and camped both times
[15:08:46] <ssi> shot as I'm about to land on the green dot :)
[15:08:52] <ssi> they land two airplanes at a time
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[15:09:41] <ssi> https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-F1x_si-VLQ4/Rq1u8bHND2I/AAAAAAAABVo/DTqH863wpF4/w1090-h725-no/DSC_8719.JPG
[15:10:03] <PetefromTn> is that you/
[15:10:06] <ssi> yea
[15:10:11] <ssi> my good side ;)
[15:10:24] <andypugh> JLuc69: What do you want to connect to the other end of the serial port?
[15:10:26] <PetefromTn> Wow man ya got bedhead and haven't even got the tent up yet LOL
[15:10:45] <ssi> that was the 2007 trip
[15:10:54] <ssi> I tried to leave atlanta a 7am, but we were socked in with fog
[15:11:04] <ssi> I got in at 8pm
[15:11:07] <ssi> it was a looooong day of traveling
[15:11:08] <JLuc69> une carte de commande Interpcnc
[15:11:13] <ssi> I had to go via pittsburgh
[15:11:21] <PetefromTn> Nice looks like good times
[15:11:26] <ssi> 12 hours of flying :/
[15:11:43] <ssi> it's about 8 hrs direct in my slow ass tub
[15:11:51] <ssi> it'll be more like 4.5hr in the one I'm building
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[15:12:04] <PetefromTn> Oh poor me I have to fly to oshkosh for the biggest airshow around in my own plane boo hoo
[15:12:08] <ssi> hahaha
[15:12:15] <ssi> shut up and fix your ten dollar VMC
[15:12:19] <tjtr33> JLuc69 do you have a link to the card info? ( i ccould not find InterCNC or Galeal even tried Galil )
[15:12:20] <PetefromTn> LOl
[15:13:17] <PetefromTn> I need to get it done, I am honestly scared a bit of the toolchanger, one screw up there and bad things can happen...
[15:13:21] <ssi> and yes poor me.... 16 hr round trip times ten gallons an hour times $6.50/gal
[15:13:22] <ssi> do the math
[15:13:29] <JLuc69> http://www.soprolec.com/catalog/controleurs-daxes-carte-multi-axes-interpcnc-v21-p-142.html?cPath=27 <- but i have ver1.5
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[15:13:43] <ssi> a grand out of pocket just in fuel... it's an expensive vacation :P
[15:14:04] <tjtr33> so if there's no proposal posted to the wiki and no discussion, does that mean the meeting is Bnag-hell0-nonewbiz-Bang-goodday ?
[15:14:26] <PetefromTn> jeez that thing is a pig huh.... you need an electric motor LOL
[15:14:53] <ssi> it's a pig, and it's not the engine's fault... it's the aerodynamics
[15:15:17] <JLuc69> tjtr33, andypugh :
http://www.soprolec.com/catalog/controleurs-daxes-controleur-daxe-interpcnc-v15-usbrs485-p-125.html
[15:15:22] <ssi> cherokees just aren't known for their blazing speed
[15:15:23] <PetefromTn> maybe if you eat a few less cheeseburgers ;0
[15:15:27] <ssi> yeah yea
[15:15:39] <PetefromTn> just bustin chops man LOL
[15:15:51] <ssi> don't think I don't know it :P
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[15:16:04] <ssi> aviation is not a big guy's sport :P
[15:16:07] <PetefromTn> I have nothing to be bragging about here, my belly is not exactly tight
[15:16:29] <ssi> I figure as long as I'm smaller than my flyin buddy, I'm still winning
[15:16:31] <PetefromTn> well it is when I eat a big dinner soemtimes
[15:16:36] <andypugh> JLuc69: I think that does the _same_ job as LinuxCNC. I don't think it needs LinuxCNC.
[15:16:41] <ssi> https://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-frc1/706319_952582450682_1774579309_o.jpg
[15:16:44] <ssi> that's dan
[15:16:47] <PetefromTn> Hell if you're flyin at all you're winnin...
[15:16:53] <ssi> I don't think the two of us are gonna fly the rv together very much
[15:16:55] <ssi> it's a bit tight ;)
[15:17:27] <PetefromTn> yeah that whole fuselage prolly weighs less than that guy huh..
[15:17:35] <ssi> right now I think it might
[15:17:36] <ssi> he's about 345
[15:17:42] <PetefromTn> HOLY!
[15:17:47] <ssi> I dunno what the fuselage weighs as it is now
[15:17:50] <ssi> although the avionics are in it now
[15:17:55] <ssi> the whole airplane should weigh about 1100
[15:18:13] <PetefromTn> thats pretty damn light...
[15:18:13] <ssi> engine is about 280 of that, prop is another 60
[15:18:16] <ssi> yea it's light
[15:18:20] <ssi> 1100lb, 1800 gross, 200hp
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[15:18:24] <ssi> power to weight is very good
[15:18:30] <ssi> plus it's very very clean
[15:18:40] <ssi> they cruise about 180kt
[15:18:45] <ssi> some guys are getting as much as 188kt on 10gph
[15:18:49] <ssi> that's good fuel economy too :)
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[15:18:59] <PetefromTn> range?
[15:19:02] <ssi> 216 statute miles on 18 gallons, 21.6 mpg
[15:19:06] <ssi> on 10 gallons ratehr
[15:19:13] <ssi> um 216 * 4.2
[15:19:26] <ssi> 907 statute miles at a fast cruise
[15:19:29] <ssi> longer if you go slower
[15:19:37] <ssi> probably 1100 or 1200 miles at 150 or 160kt
[15:19:44] <PetefromTn> damn thats pretty sweet.
[15:19:45] <andypugh> JLuc69: LinuxCNC is a "motion controller" and the InterpCNC is _also_ a motion controller.
[15:20:00] <ssi> range is longer than most peoples' bladder range, which is a good place to be :)
[15:20:20] <PetefromTn> plus you can do loopty loops LOL
[15:20:22] <ssi> but I'm hoping I can do atlanta to sanfran in two legs.... that's optimistic, it might need to be three
[15:20:26] <ssi> yes you can ;)
[15:20:33] <tjtr33> JLuc69, andy's right, if you have the 'pilot' Galaad and the card, you're complete
[15:20:38] <ssi> across the country in one day, upside down
[15:20:47] <PetefromTn> beautiful....
[15:20:55] <ssi> I've got five point harnesses for it
[15:20:56] <JLuc69> andypugh: en fait, je recherche un autre soft que galaad pour piloter ma machine
[15:20:58] <ssi> and memory foam seats
[15:20:58] <pfred1> andypugh this board is pretty neat it runs off of USB
[15:21:09] <andypugh> I flew loops before I could legally ride a moped. Mad world.
[15:21:16] <ssi> andypugh: high five ;)
[15:21:31] <ssi> I took some aerobatic instruction in an extra 330 two summers ago
[15:21:34] <ssi> that was pretty crazy
[15:21:35] <PetefromTn> the only loops I have done were on my BMX bike...
[15:21:44] <ssi> PetefromTn: that's pretty impressive in itself :)
[15:22:00] <pfred1> PetefromTn I got hit by a car riding a bike once i did a loop over his hood
[15:22:03] <PetefromTn> yeah but I busted my ass far too many times.
[15:22:07] <ssi> heheh
[15:22:28] <ssi> PetefromTn: so you don't think electronics in the base cabinet is a good idea huh
[15:22:33] <PetefromTn> now I am just content to ride my homebuilt recumbent bike down the bike trails.
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[15:22:48] <PetefromTn> ssi: Dunno you gonna have flood coolant?
[15:22:53] <ssi> I'd like to
[15:22:59] <PetefromTn> pfred1: Damn that smarts..
[15:22:59] <ssi> but I dunno when that'll happen
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[15:23:13] <PetefromTn> I cannot imagine running a mill without flood coolant.
[15:23:15] <pfred1> PetefromTn yeah I thought I cracked the curb with my head
[15:23:22] <ssi> yeah well you're spoiled :)
[15:23:26] <ssi> I run my manual without flood all the time
[15:23:31] <ssi> I use mist a lot
[15:23:31] <PetefromTn> pfred1: LOL....ouch very ouch.
[15:23:48] <andypugh> I was in the Air Cadets. We were taken flying by regular RAF guys pretty frequently. They would normally ask "do you want to do some aerobatics" and then when you said "yes" they would give you a fairground ride. But that time, when I was 15, the guy asked a different question using the same words.
[15:23:53] <PetefromTn> not spoiled, just determined. I had flood on the RF45 too
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[15:24:27] <ssi> andypugh: there are some guys who think it's funny to make their passengers puke
[15:24:36] <PetefromTn> I went for an aerobatic ride in a T38 with a USAF pilot at Mcclellen AFB Sacto once...
[15:24:38] <ssi> personally I'm not a fan of cleaning up puke out of my plane
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[15:24:58] <PetefromTn> He said, okay man ya ready, I mistakenly said yeah...
[15:24:58] <andypugh> "Would you like to do some aerobatics?" "Yes", "OK, we will start with a stall turn. Pull the stick back, point straight up, and when it starts to fall back, full left rudder" "Yikes!!"
[15:25:07] <IchGuckLive> hi all B)
[15:25:24] <PetefromTn> I know know what ballistic actually means....
[15:25:26] <archivist> andypugh, a bar steward did that to me in a glider !
[15:25:30] <ssi> yea if it comes backwards it's a tailslide
[15:25:38] <ssi> those are fun, but that's one maneuver my RV shouldn't do
[15:25:48] <ssi> cause the rudder is cabled, and if you don't really pin it with your feet it'll get blown onto the stops
[15:25:52] <ssi> and can break stuff
[15:26:11] <PetefromTn> is there no limiting mechanism>
[15:26:20] <ssi> competition (and military) airplanes are designed for the controls to be driven backwards without damage
[15:26:28] <andypugh> That went well, so then we did a loop "Nose down a bit, full throttle, when we hit 112kts then pull the stick all the way back"
[15:26:33] <ssi> PetefromTn: yea there is but it'll damage the rudder if you use too much force
[15:26:49] <PetefromTn> aah.
[15:26:59] <IchGuckLive> oh powerboad miniture sailings
[15:27:03] <ssi> the stops are designed to stop your feet from pushing it beyond a certain point
[15:27:15] <ssi> not designed for 100mph backward wind load :)
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[15:27:35] <PetefromTn> the pilot, can't remember his name, did some snap rolls and then plunged down and I lost it after that. he just laughed and chuckled
[15:27:35] <IchGuckLive> americas cup ofshore catamaran O.O
[15:27:41] <ssi> andypugh: for what it's worth, aerobatics are much more fun and much easier to tolerate from a nausea standpoint when you're running the stick
[15:28:33] <andypugh> I managed the loop, so then we did a figure 8. I reckon the guy must have had a high excitement tolerance. Or was secretly hoping to get to recover from an out-of-control situation. :-)
[15:28:39] <ssi> hehehe
[15:28:46] <IchGuckLive> therefore i build Carriers they dont go out at hurricane winds ssi
[15:29:05] <PetefromTn> Ya know the best part, after we landed and I got my guts back inside me, I asked him while walking back to the hanger how that plane compares to an F15 or similar, he thought for a moment and just said....well......IT DOESN"T!!
[15:29:13] <ssi> heheh no it doesn't
[15:29:31] <andypugh> Yes, I had no trouble at all with sickness when I was flying the stunts, wheres at was always a little bit of a struggle when I was a passenger.
[15:29:35] <IchGuckLive> today the Austria Airpower went on live
[15:29:37] <PetefromTn> I cannot imagine the forces on your body in violent maneuvers in an F15 or similar.
[15:29:40] <ssi> andypugh: yea that's how it goes
[15:29:58] <ssi> andypugh: although even if you're flying, most people still can only tolerate 30 minutes or so of aerobatics before they get queasy, when they're beginners
[15:30:02] <ssi> you have to build up a tolerance to it
[15:30:04] <ssi> I still haven't really
[15:30:14] <ssi> but it's been years since i've done any aerobatics
[15:30:17] <skunkworks> I get virtego and it doesn't bother me. (I like the spinnies...)
[15:30:38] <IchGuckLive> http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=pNr7pA04X4A
[15:30:39] <Tecan> (pNr7pA04X4A) "AIRPOWER13: Arrival 2" by "Airpower Zeltweg" is "Travel" - Length: 0:01:19
[15:31:14] <PetefromTn> So what other interesting proposals are about for this meeting?
[15:31:21] <IchGuckLive> F16 F15 F5 P6 C6 Jag Saab105
[15:32:09] <tjtr33> PetefromTn, none listed on the wiki page, and no other discussion here, :(
[15:32:11] <andypugh> Back in 30.
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[15:32:45] <PetefromTn> Anyone got the kinda of preset feedrate override percentages built onto their system in a clean manner here?
[15:33:27] <PetefromTn> tjtr33: sigh...LOL\
[15:33:28] <IchGuckLive> preset feedrate override is in ini
[15:33:49] <IchGuckLive> or do you mean on run with a poti
[15:34:17] <PetefromTn> huh? I am talking about addind some buttons in addition to the sliders for the feedrate override on the main axis block
[15:34:29] <PetefromTn> whats poti?
[15:34:47] <IchGuckLive> there is a feedoverride bar
[15:34:48] <tjtr33> potentiometer = pot = round resitor thingy
[15:35:22] <pfred1> variable resistor
[15:35:31] <PetefromTn> I know this is supposedly about the core infrastructure but having used the linuxCNC system a bit now on my Cincinatti arrow and having used the Haas Control there is a lot of nice stuff that could be added.
[15:35:46] <PetefromTn> Oh never heard it referred to that way.
[15:36:31] <pfred1> PetefromTn
http://www.geofex.com/article_folders/potsecrets/potscret.htm
[15:36:37] <IchGuckLive> PetefromTn: yu can add what ever you want
[15:36:50] <PetefromTn> The Haas control has like five buttons in a line on the panel near the estop for feedrate override. 0%, 5%, 15%,25%,50%, 75%100%...
[15:37:00] <skunkworks> PetefromTn: I have 2 rotory switches with a jog wheel. one selects x,y,z,FO,MV,SO - the other is jog distance (.001,.010,.100)
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[15:37:13] <skunkworks> I like it
[15:37:39] <PetefromTn> thanks pfred, I know what a pot is, just never heard it called a poti.
[15:37:59] <skunkworks> I use MV the most
[15:38:18] <tjtr33> geek-speek from around the world, gotta be a bit creative when listening :)
[15:38:23] <PetefromTn> I am talking more about a built in option here, that way you can use keystrokes etc..
[15:38:33] <pfred1> PetefromTn today too many people think of the wrong thing if you say just pot?
[15:38:41] <PetefromTn> LOL
[15:38:59] <PetefromTn> tjtr33: tryin man...tryin.
[15:39:01] <ssi> PetefromTn: well I managed to move the machine off the cabinet by hand
[15:39:04] <ssi> it's more than 200lb :P
[15:39:16] <PetefromTn> yeah but it is TINY..LOL
[15:39:26] <ssi> it's tiny, but it's not light :)
[15:39:31] <IchGuckLive> PetefromTn: like that
http://foengarage.de/haasb.jpg
[15:39:34] <ssi> at least not for a wuus like mee
[15:39:40] <pfred1> ssi since my hernia operation I might have to think about that for a bit now
[15:39:49] <ssi> yea
[15:40:02] <ssi> well I put it on a stool, that's about 4" lower than the base was
[15:40:05] <skunkworks> PetefromTn: the axis gui as keystrokes for pretty much everything...
[15:40:07] <pfred1> ssi although my cherry picker engine hoist is no lightweight to setup either
[15:40:08] <ssi> I just sorta slid it to the edge and gently lowered it
[15:40:25] <ssi> pfred1: haha if I couldn't lift it, I was gonna slide it over to the garage door and use my forklift to pick it up by the table :P
[15:40:43] <PetefromTn> http://atyourservice.haascnc.com/expert-tip/override-keys/
[15:40:47] <pfred1> ssi forklifts are good like that
[15:40:47] <ssi> I'll get a friend to help me put it back up on the cabinet... shouldn't be teeribl
[15:41:14] <PetefromTn> IchGuckLive: yeah like that...
[15:41:30] <pfred1> ssi I left all of my friends behind when I moved
[15:41:33] <IchGuckLive> you can implemend this on glade as well as on pyvcp
[15:41:37] <PetefromTn> ssi: Connor brought over the millead for his 0704 once...it was cute.
[15:41:50] <IchGuckLive> pete yust use mux8
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[15:42:08] <ssi> yeah it's cute
[15:42:09] <PetefromTn> IchGuckLive: Yeah I know if you are a programmer, honestly this kind of thing I think should be in the basic program
[15:42:13] <ssi> pfred1: that's unfortunate
[15:42:17] <IchGuckLive> PetefromTn: did you see my joypad tutorial it uses this function
[15:42:25] <PetefromTn> nope...
[15:42:31] <ssi> pfred1: I had no friends when I moved up here, but I befriended my next door neighbor and inherited his social group
[15:42:43] <IchGuckLive> PetefromTn: its there you need to activat it
[15:42:53] <IchGuckLive> in your piostgui
[15:42:53] <PetefromTn> who you kiddin, you still have no friends LOL...
[15:42:57] <ssi> aw :(
[15:43:03] <pfred1> ssi since i been here i think I may have said 7 words to my neighbor he's not too chummy
[15:43:05] <ssi> I still have you at least
[15:43:14] <IchGuckLive> PetefromTn: BBQ is alway 30feed away
[15:43:16] <tjtr33> PetefromTn, and i dont think it should be in the basic program. we agree that you and i can do as you like tho ( that much programming aint much )
[15:43:27] <PetefromTn> yup you do....as long as you let me ride that f1 go kart LOL
[15:43:29] <pfred1> ssi that breaks down to about a word a year
[15:43:34] <ssi> pfred1: lol
[15:43:44] <ssi> PetefromTn: hey man come work on it and you can ride it all you want
[15:43:59] <ssi> my claustrophobic ass doesn't enjoy it
[15:44:02] <PetefromTn> LOL
[15:44:02] <ssi> it's pretty small
[15:44:18] <IchGuckLive> there are 250.000 mach licences sold and the rest is coming to as for the non liniar 3axis
[15:44:19] <PetefromTn> I'm only 6' about 220
[15:44:47] <PetefromTn> don't really care for mach3 anymore but I do like some of the features.
[15:45:13] <pfred1> PetefromTn mach3 and LinuxCNC both come from the same code base
[15:45:13] <PetefromTn> tjtr33: why not?
[15:45:22] <PetefromTn> yeah I am aware of that.
[15:45:30] <pfred1> PetefromTn they are both based on the original NIST EMC code
[15:45:42] <PetefromTn> IMHO there are just certain things that make using the control so much easier.
[15:46:19] <pfred1> PetefromTn for me a Windows license is a bit problematic a thing to acquire
[15:46:20] <PetefromTn> The Haas control was a bit confusing and complex but once you learned it there was not much it could not do
[15:46:34] <IchGuckLive> PetefromTn: agree
[15:46:36] <PetefromTn> pfred1: huh?
[15:46:47] <pfred1> PetefromTn I don't do Windows
[15:46:48] <IchGuckLive> i dot 4 minimills and 3 vf2 in stuck
[15:46:55] <tjtr33> PetefromTn, for mee it looks like english newspaper adverts, (too noisy) or a game, while a switch and a pot handles that entire jog group
[15:47:17] <PetefromTn> you mean on a pendant?
[15:47:30] <Meduza> I dont like that all mach3 interfaces looks like someone that have went wild in photoshop with all effects they could...
[15:47:37] <PetefromTn> not everyone has a pendant and not everyone can program one either.
[15:47:48] <Meduza> ok, axis looks boring, but it is at least cleaner
[15:47:52] <PetefromTn> Meduza: Agreed...
[15:47:53] <tjtr33> on a screen or a pendant, too many inouts to do the job
[15:47:57] <pfred1> Meduza the thing a Mach3 screen most reminds me of is video poker
[15:48:06] <tjtr33> *inputs
[15:48:13] <Meduza> yeah, that is quite close what it looks like, some random scammer poker site
[15:48:30] <IchGuckLive> Meduza: you can change the color and the output look like
[15:48:40] <pfred1> just glancing at it I think I don't want to play
[15:48:46] <PetefromTn> Honestly one of the things I LIKE about LinuxCNC is the clean look but it is missing some things that would make it easier. So far the Glade VCP stuff Connor helped me add is kinda quirky.
[15:49:25] <PetefromTn> Not bashing Connor he is awesome, but the panel is kinda over there somehow...\
[15:49:33] <Meduza> IchGuckLive: Yeah, but still all screenshots i have seen of it looks like crap and not like what you would expect for a proffessional mill control system
[15:49:52] <pfred1> PetefromTn well maybe you can write your own front end?
[15:49:52] <IchGuckLive> agree
[15:50:03] <PetefromTn> Haas IS a professional control system and it is kinda convoluted too...
[15:50:13] <Meduza> I am tough missing quite a lot from LinuxCNC in functionality... and the whole codebase feels aged...
[15:50:15] <PetefromTn> pfred1: Wish I could man dunno how..
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[15:50:39] <pfred1> PetefromTn never let that stop you from trying
[15:51:03] <IchGuckLive> Axis is python ansd the bars menues and all is in tcl
[15:51:10] <PetefromTn> yeah I was kinda hoping this would not turn into the whole well if you want it, program it yourself arguement.
[15:51:17] <IchGuckLive> get you a git and start modificating
[15:51:24] <tjtr33> PetefromTn, start with pyvcp or gladevcp examples on the wiki. really, try a simple example
[15:51:39] <PetefromTn> already did, connor helped me..
[15:51:56] <IchGuckLive> all of us are happy as it is only PetefromTn wants to look at different colors
[15:52:09] <PetefromTn> I'm just saying the interface is too naked and plain.
[15:52:15] <PetefromTn> Who said anything about colors?
[15:52:29] <pfred1> I think Axis looks pretty slick
[15:52:32] <IchGuckLive> agree but everyone here got othe needs
[15:52:34] <PetefromTn> I'm talking about built in functions
[15:52:51] <pfred1> I just wish it didn't use GL
[15:53:57] <ssi> one of these days I want to sit down and build a proper hard panel
[15:54:12] <ssi> I definitely need it for my lathe... running it with a mouse and keyboard with all the oil slinging around isn't great
[15:54:57] <pfred1> I have one of those rubber keyboards but it is kind of crappy to try to type on
[15:55:10] <PetefromTn> I bought a nice quality waterproof, moistureproof, dustproof keybard with a touch pad that works well so far.
[15:55:20] <ssi> yea I have one too but I hate it
[15:55:35] <pfred1> ssi a roll up keyboard?
[15:55:38] <ssi> yea
[15:55:41] <pfred1> yeah they suck'
[15:55:55] <ssi> but every other keyboard I use eventually dies ;P
[15:56:01] <PetefromTn> Honestly I plan to add a nice pendant to add this kind of functions but that will be awhile.
[15:56:09] <ssi> yea
[15:56:13] <PetefromTn> Mine is not a roll up
[15:56:22] <ssi> I need to get this mill going so I can make a part for my airplane engine
[15:56:23] <ssi> hahah
[15:56:44] <PetefromTn> get it done man...
[15:57:06] <ssi> https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/582529_870138104812_976308074_n.jpg
[15:57:13] <ssi> I'm converting it to forward facing sump
[15:57:18] <ssi> and I have to make a little reducer for the fuel servo
[15:57:25] <ssi> it had one on the backside, but it was angled and too long
[15:57:28] <ssi> I need a shorter, straight one
[15:57:33] <ssi> will be a good cnc project
[15:57:43] <tjtr33> ready?
[15:57:49] <PetefromTn> will that thing even fit on your 0704?
[15:57:51] <ssi> it could be done manually, but I really would like for it to be a good smooth cone
[15:57:55] <ssi> no t hat won't need to
[15:58:05] <ssi> I just need to make a little 4x4x3" cube into a reducer
[15:59:00] <tjtr33> set ...
[15:59:32] <PetefromTn> meetings starting... cya over there..
[15:59:59] <tjtr33> go !
[16:05:20] <IchGuckLive> PetefromTn: thats whyt im fighting with
http://foengarage.de/vis.png syncronisation the rotation of the simulation
[16:05:38] <IchGuckLive> with user Cam G-code
[16:06:37] <IchGuckLive> only 60 lines of code but the numbers sync
[16:07:41] <PetefromTn> ich, trying to listen to the meeting right now. sorry man. LOL
[16:07:49] <IchGuckLive> By
[16:08:59] <Connor> ssi: Need to know what size to bore out the pulley for your motor..
[16:09:13] <ssi> Connor: ok I can get you that after the meeting
[16:09:23] <ssi> I think I measured it once before, but I dunno if I have logs
[16:09:41] <IchGuckLive> is it a internal meeting
[16:09:48] <ssi> #linuxcnc-meet
[16:10:08] <IchGuckLive> im not authencitated to that
[16:10:17] <IchGuckLive> O.O
[16:10:49] <archivist> just join the chan
[16:10:57] <IchGuckLive> nay only accept people ferom US or within the users mailinglist
[16:11:22] <pfred1> IchGuckLive just from US?
[16:11:45] <IchGuckLive> im off getting food as the darkness starts to rise
[16:11:56] <ssi> getting off food? you might get hungry
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[16:13:27] <pfred1> I'm researching this pair of pliers I bought today. When I picked them up I thought they were made in Germany because i have a few German pairs that resemble it turns out they are made in England though
[16:13:37] <ssi> what are they?
[16:14:01] <pfred1> Just a little pair of stubby needle nosed pliers name Witherby on them
[16:14:55] <Loetmichel> if there is no "knipex" written on them there is no need to investigate, just throw them in the trash ;-)
[16:15:08] <ssi> Loetmichel: haha agreed
[16:15:18] <pfred1> Loetmichel knipex are not the best pliers in the world
[16:15:26] <ssi> yea, yea they are
[16:15:29] <ssi> :P
[16:15:33] <pfred1> no no theyy aren't
[16:15:36] <ssi> best I've run across anyway
[16:15:43] <ssi> despite being german ;)
[16:16:06] <pfred1> get some Swedish Lindstrom tools
[16:17:15] <Loetmichel> i was raised in a german city called "remscheid"... thats where Knipex, gedore Dowidat, belzer and many others come from... i think i can see good quality in tools if it is there ;-)
[16:18:30] <pfred1> one of my favorite pairs of pliers i have I bought for $3 out of a big cardboard box on Canal St. they have no country of origin on them at all but if i had to guess I'd say India
[16:19:34] <pfred1> they're good hard Indian steel I think, which means they're fairly soft jawwed
[16:21:24] <Loetmichel> pfred1: you mean linke this allen key? ->
http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=11708
[16:22:12] <Loetmichel> (taht was the fürst screw i tried with this key, and the last one ;-) and NO extra lever, just my hand ;-)
[16:22:18] <pfred1> Loetmichel ah one of those fancy Bondhus ball drivers?
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[16:22:50] <Loetmichel> no, thtat was a standard IKEA tool ;-)
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[16:23:04] <pfred1> I kea put it together!
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[17:17:16] <mpictor> mhaberler: have you gotten rtnet to work with config_preempt_rt, or only with xenomai?
[17:17:40] <mhaberler> talk to micges - xenomai
[17:17:54] <mpictor> oops I get your handles mixed up
[17:18:22] <mpictor> micges: have you used rtnet with config_preempt_rt, or only with xenomai?
[17:18:50] <micges> also with preempt_rt
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[17:20:00] <mpictor> I'm trying to build a kernel with the preempt patch and rtdm
[17:20:05] <mpictor> rtdm is necessary, right?
[17:20:32] <mpictor> I get an error
[17:20:34] <mpictor> linux-3.4.45/kernel/xenomai/skins/rtdm/native/Makefile:31: /Rules.make: No such file or directory
[17:21:27] <micges> mpictor: I'll get back to you after developers meeting on irc
[17:21:34] <mpictor> np
[17:21:58] <archivist> not just devs #linuxcnc-meet
[17:22:15] <pfred1> mpictor looks like a pretty popular error based on the number of returns Google has for it
[17:22:54] <mpictor> pfred1: what did you google? I didn't see anything that looked relevant
[17:23:07] <pfred1> xenomai Rules.make No such file or directory
[17:25:19] <mpictor> afaics, only one of those results includes Rules.make... and it's unanswered
[17:25:55] <pfred1> this page seems to include detailed instructions
http://www.berabera.info/oldblog/lenglet/howtos/realtimelinuxhowto/
[17:26:42] <mpictor> that's xenomai, though. I'm using a version of their rtdm driver, ported to rt_preempt
[17:27:57] <mpictor> I was able to compile xenomai but it doesn't like my laptop. I _think_ that rt_preempt will be ok and will be deterministic enough for the application
[17:28:42] <pfred1> laptops are usually poor candidates for real time
[17:29:08] <mpictor> I know. Thus "for the application" :)
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[17:51:44] <micges> mpictor: I'm back
[17:52:02] <micges> compiling xeno is tricky
[17:52:27] <micges> why do you want to compile it and not use packages for linux 3.5.7?
[17:52:33] <mpictor> I got xenomai to compile, but it wouldn't run on the laptop in question
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[17:53:17] <mpictor> I think preempt_rt will be deterministic enough, so trying to compile a kernel with it and rtdm
[17:54:18] <micges> ah
[17:54:45] <mpictor> got the first error to go away by commenting out `include $(TOPDIR)/Rules.make`
[17:54:54] <micges> preepmpt_rt with rtnet had latenices obout 200us
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[17:55:11] <CaptHindsight> http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?XenomaiKernelPackages#Remaining_problems
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[17:55:49] <mpictor> CaptHindsight: was that for me?
[17:56:07] <CaptHindsight> micges: what branch did you use and what hardware did you try xenomai on?
[17:56:11] <zultron> CaptHindsight:
https://github.com/zultron/linuxcnc/tree/dynload-rtapi-common-shm-ub-wip
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[17:57:00] <micges> CaptHindsight: in what context you're asking?
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[17:57:43] <zultron> CaptHindsight, let me know if you guys need instructions compiling it, but the base case is quite simple: ./configure && make
[17:58:04] <zultron> (prepended by ./autogen.sh, of course)
[17:58:09] <CaptHindsight> zultron: lets discuss this in -dev, memleak is in there
[17:58:21] <zultron> Oh yeah, wrong channel.
[17:59:00] <CaptHindsight> micges: "preepmpt_rt with rtnet had latenices obout 200us" is that something you actually built and tested?
[17:59:09] <micges> yes
[17:59:40] <micges> but it's not xenomai but normal kernel patched with preempt_rt patch
[17:59:53] <CaptHindsight> micges: what version was your kernel?
[18:00:19] <zultron> Why aren't you guys using pre-packaged preempt_rt kernels?
[18:00:23] <CaptHindsight> ok, we are trying to get RT-PREEMPT going on kernel v3.8
[18:01:44] <micges> I don't remember, but probably it was < 3.3
[18:02:22] <micges> it was many months ago and it was just to check latencies
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[18:02:56] <CaptHindsight> micges: we are having a discussion about this in -developer
[18:03:07] <mpictor> I'm trying 3.4.45; the rtdm makefiles don't like it
[18:03:11] <micges> I see
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[18:32:23] <eric_unterhausen> so did anything happen in the meeting?
[18:33:03] <archivist> http://meetlog.archivist.info/meeting.php?id=201306
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[18:36:05] <Skullworks> Yes - it was a learning experience. Meeting beta 1
[18:36:29] <archivist> cat herding ++
[18:37:18] <cradek> I think it went well
[18:37:33] <cradek> it will be better as we learn to fine-tune our proposals a bit more
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[18:39:41] <Skullworks> Yes - and put more detail for each item on the agenda wiki page so there are less questions during the debate.
[18:40:10] <archivist> logging will work a bit better if I can get topic changes to be in a usable format
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[18:44:31] <CaptHindsight> wow, I-phone cases are all machined
[18:44:42] <ssi> yea most apple stuff is
[18:45:55] <Skullworks> Paying too much for an item is a minor pain - paying to little can be much worse.
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[18:49:37] <CaptHindsight> I'm picturing 1000 mini-mills churning out tons of scrap
[18:50:04] <ssi> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sxbiIpXZfG8
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[18:50:05] <Tecan> (sxbiIpXZfG8) "Apple MacBook Pro Aluminum Unibody Design Video" by "freedomidan" is "Tech" - Length: 0:02:54
[18:50:06] <ssi> 1:30
[18:50:26] <CaptHindsight> unless they start with a casting they must lose >90% of the material they start with
[18:50:59] <ssi> i love the laser drilled holes for the sleep light
[18:51:01] <andypugh> Most of the stuff at SSI was worse than that.
[18:52:24] <ssi> PetefromTn:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BN8ujICCAAELc_x.jpg:large
[18:52:26] <andypugh> But if you re-melt the scrap then arguably there is no difference between casting then machining, or machining then casting.
[18:52:47] <Skullworks> I'm betting they start with a near net shape investment casting that was poured in a vaccuum.
[18:52:50] <ssi> andypugh: assuming your swarf isn't too fine
[18:52:57] <CaptHindsight> if they do, probably the case in China
[18:53:00] <ssi> Skullworks: from the video it looks like it's made of sheet
[18:53:31] <ssi> the macbook anyway... I dunno about the phone
[18:53:38] <PetefromTn> ssi: Nice man get it cut...
[18:53:46] <ssi> IEC socket is cut
[18:53:48] <PetefromTn> Connor is on his way over right now LOL
[18:53:54] <ssi> yea I know
[18:54:01] <ssi> need mutually assured progress
[18:54:01] <ssi> :D
[18:54:19] <PetefromTn> We got all sorts of stuff to work on...
[18:54:24] <archivist> boys out to play in the workshops
[18:54:26] <PetefromTn> not enought time
[18:54:32] <ssi> I wish the cherokee was airworthy, I'd fly up and join you :)
[18:54:41] <PetefromTn> yeah the Cincinatti is gonna get a workout I think.
[18:54:45] <ssi> what town are you in?
[18:54:51] <ssi> or what's the closest airport
[18:54:54] <PetefromTn> Murrville....unfortunately.
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[18:55:03] <Skullworks> I was referring to the iPhone - and that MAC book video is 4 years old.
[18:55:16] <PetefromTn> Hell there is a local private airport just down the street from me LOL
[18:55:24] <ssi> you sure it's private?
[18:55:34] <PetefromTn> Not sure of much of anyhing anymore LOL
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[18:55:41] <ssi> I can't find a murrville tn
[18:55:55] <PetefromTn> its maryville LOl people here call it murrville
[18:55:58] <ssi> ahhh
[18:56:02] <ssi> well then airnav is smart
[18:56:07] <ssi> cause I put in murrville and it gave me maryville
[18:56:16] <ssi> http://www.airnav.com/airport/TN87
[18:56:19] <ssi> and that is in fact private :)
[18:56:20] <PetefromTn> sweet somehow we rate I guess.
[18:56:31] <ssi> http://www.airnav.com/airport/KTYS
[18:56:32] <ssi> that's not
[18:56:49] <ssi> 146.3 nautical miles N
[18:56:52] <ssi> piece of cake :D
[18:57:03] <PetefromTn> well get yer ass up here man LOL
[18:57:11] <PetefromTn> you got maybe twenty minutes./
[18:57:34] <ssi> it'd take an hour and a half in the cherokee, plus an hour for me to get to the airport and get the airplane fueld and ready
[18:57:45] <ssi> and that's assuming it wasn't half disassembled ;)
[18:57:45] <Skullworks> air maps will show any place safe to set down - an inflight emergency...
[18:58:11] <PetefromTn> the one I was talking about is a small community airport and it is off college park road.
[18:59:37] <PetefromTn> Its actually kinda cool. the folks there have BIG garages with hanger doors on their homes.
[18:59:52] <PetefromTn> The runway runs between two cross streets.
[19:00:10] <Skullworks> Like John Travolta's
[19:00:12] <ssi> can you point it out on google maps?
[19:00:27] <PetefromTn> I once went there to maybe buy a used bridgeport from a fellow there and he showed me his plane...
[19:00:30] <PetefromTn> I can try...
[19:00:33] <ssi> https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-Vac8KYBFTok/R0ElMFNhbnI/AAAAAAAABtY/oodDOgSXxXk/s1024/DSC_2705.JPG
[19:00:37] <ssi> that's john travolta's house
[19:00:43] <ssi> it's about 10 miles north of my mom's house
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[19:01:17] <ssi> I took that picture :P
[19:01:52] <Skullworks> BTW - Heads up to any OHIO people - HGR had a Pick-n-place for sale for $550 - I', betting its work more than that for scrap alone.
[19:02:11] <ssi> like a PCB pick and place?
[19:02:15] <ssi> I've been wanting one
[19:02:17] <Skullworks> yes
[19:03:01] <PetefromTn> Sorry man it IS Montvale Air Park Road....
[19:03:23] <Skullworks> http://www.hgrinc.com/buyOurs/inventoryItemDetail.do?inventory_num=01130010077&utm_source=cc_sell&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=cc0613
[19:03:26] <PetefromTn> I didn't think it was montvale because it is nowhere near Montvale road. I live off Montvale road.
[19:03:39] <ssi> looks like the road is the runway :P
[19:03:46] <ssi> it's a private airpark, I wouldn't go in there
[19:03:54] <PetefromTn> yup sorta is but it is quite wide and long.
[19:04:18] <PetefromTn> The plane he showed me was about the size of yours I think.
[19:04:23] <ssi> Skullworks: I kinda want that
[19:05:35] <ssi> so I need to decide if I want to cut this db hole accurately and have the 7i77's connector peeking out the side of the cabinet
[19:05:43] <ssi> or if I just want to punch a big enough hole to get the cable through, and then silicone it up
[19:05:50] <PetefromTn> https://maps.google.com/maps?oe=utf-8&client=firefox&q=3136+Valemont+Dr.+Maryville,+Tn&ie=UTF-8&hq=&hnear=0x885e9f235b3da253:0xbe1643f1bade7c4b,3136+Valemont+Dr,+Maryville,+TN+37803&gl=us&ei=2C7PUbKmKJSI9QSI34GAAw&ved=0CC8Q8gEwAA
[19:05:51] <ssi> the latter would be easier and more coolant-safe
[19:06:17] <ssi> that's where you are?
[19:06:24] <Skullworks> I wished I wasn't so far - They have sold complete running CNC mills for
[19:06:28] <Skullworks> $200
[19:06:29] <PetefromTn> No that is a view of the runway I think.
[19:06:48] <ssi> looks more like your house ;)
[19:07:03] <ssi> nice place
[19:07:05] <ssi> eheheh
[19:07:19] <CaptHindsight> http://www.hgrinc.com/inventory/0113/0113001/20130128110843448_M.JPG easily worth $500
[19:07:24] <PetefromTn> Sory I tried to get to the airport with street view but it did not work
[19:07:30] <ssi> I had found the airport
[19:07:33] <ssi> montvale airpark
[19:07:38] <PetefromTn> yeah thats it....
[19:07:46] <ssi> not sure I'd want to go into tyson either though
[19:07:55] <ssi> class C aren't so bad, but they tend to have feeeeees
[19:07:56] <ssi> and I hate fees
[19:07:59] <PetefromTn> Mcghee Tyson is a large one.
[19:08:08] <PetefromTn> Mostly commercial
[19:08:09] <ssi> "large"
[19:08:20] <ssi> remember I live under the KATL veil :P
[19:08:21] <PetefromTn> yeah well larger for around here
[19:08:33] <PetefromTn> no idea what that is.
[19:08:36] <ssi> atlanta
[19:08:45] <ssi> aka busiest airport in the country
[19:08:52] <PetefromTn> There is an island home airport too in east knoxville
[19:09:06] <ssi> http://www.airnav.com/airport/KDKX
[19:09:35] <ssi> that'd be fine for me, but it's a bit of a drive for you
[19:09:58] <PetefromTn> what is? that looks confusing to me LOL
[19:10:08] <ssi> knoxville downtown island airport
[19:10:33] <PetefromTn> oh yeah just saw the name LOl sorry
[19:11:20] <PetefromTn> Hell if I had a good friend coming in from a flight I could tell all my buddies, yeah man, my rich friend is coming in to chill out with me in his private plane so it is all good LOL
[19:11:46] <ssi> hahaha
[19:12:22] <ssi> I'm not the "rich friend", I'm the "dude who had the good sense not to get married" ;)
[19:13:05] <archivist> old free and single++
[19:13:34] <PetefromTn> LOL I hear that...
[19:14:21] <PetefromTn> yeah my rich friend also built his own formula one car and races it around his neighborhood.
[19:14:37] <ssi> hahahah
[19:15:42] <PetefromTn> I hear it is fast as all hell....when it runs LOL
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[19:16:04] <ssi> which is seldom
[19:16:31] <PetefromTn> I am hoping Connor can sort out some programming issues with my VMC with the Glade VCP panel we made up.
[19:17:20] <PetefromTn> I am trying to sell my house now so gonna have to possibly move the monster again.
[19:17:32] <ssi> you can move it to my house
[19:17:45] <PetefromTn> LOL or you can buy my house WITH the machine in it...
[19:18:02] <PetefromTn> park your plane at the montvale air park
[19:18:04] <PetefromTn> LOL
[19:18:18] <ssi> move the house to the airpark and you got adeal :D
[19:18:32] <PetefromTn> Hell its a short drive..
[19:19:29] <PetefromTn> You need one of those fold up planes and park it in the shop next to the VMC
[19:21:08] <PetefromTn> I'll even throw in my Siberian Husky....just because its you LOL
[19:21:29] <PetefromTn> Jeez I thought Connor would be here by now.
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[19:27:01] <ssi> god knows the last thing I need is another damn dog
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[19:28:04] <PetefromTn> Okay man I understand, you LIKE greater Atlanta craziness...
[19:28:49] <PetefromTn> Have you made anything cool on your Hardinge lately?
[19:30:14] <ssi> no, it's still not fixed
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[19:33:14] <PetefromTn> Aw that sucks.
[19:33:19] <ssi> yeah, it does
[19:33:24] <ssi> but it has been a low priority
[19:33:25] <ssi> sadly
[19:33:53] <PetefromTn> kinda like my toolchanger I guess.
[19:34:33] <PetefromTn> have already drawn up the mount for the encoder but have not machined it yet. Been busy with other stuff.
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[19:34:49] <ssi> I need to get this mill running
[19:34:52] <ssi> desperately
[19:35:45] <PetefromTn> so get it done man....
[19:36:50] <archivist> http://xkcd.com/386/
[19:37:51] <PetefromTn> LOL classic...
[19:38:06] <PetefromTn> Of course there is never anyone WRONG on the interet right?
[19:38:40] <PetefromTn> internet..
[19:38:58] <archivist> most so one has to stay in case they need correction
[19:47:43] <Skullworks> ssi - what mill is giving you problems?
[19:48:10] <ssi> g0704
[19:48:14] <ssi> it's not giving me problems
[19:48:21] <ssi> I just lack the motivation to get the conversion done :
[19:48:22] <ssi> :)
[19:48:32] <ssi> I'm working on the electronics cabinet now
[19:48:36] <Skullworks> ah
[19:48:41] <ssi> the machine that's giving me problems is my hardinge HNC lathe
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[19:48:50] <ssi> the tool turret pneumatics are screwed up
[19:52:40] <Skullworks> I need to get everything moved around and my Hurco in position and wired up. - When I had it moved here finally - I had to pull the Z axis servo off to get it through the door. I had allready pulled the spindle motor to get it OUT of the prior location door.
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[19:59:39] <Skullworks> I'm going to wire it up to a CNC rated phase converter. I need to get spindle accel times, braking times, the exact sequence for (semi)rigid tapping, then I can swap in a VFD and use the known timings to fool the control. There will be 3 VFD's in the cabnet when I'm done - but the power saved by not needing to run that big phase convert motor makes all the extra work worth it.
[20:02:02] <ssi> yea I did two VFDs in my hnc conversion
[20:02:05] <ssi> spindle and coolant pump
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[20:22:41] <ssi> harbor freight taps have a neat feature
[20:22:42] <ssi> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BN9DMVaCIAE-JvJ.jpg:large
[20:22:48] <ssi> tap mild steel with them, they turn into spiral flute taps!
[20:24:31] <mpictor> harbor freight is best left where it was found... the bottom of the harbor
[20:25:17] <ssi> it has its place :)
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[20:26:15] <mpictor> I do have some stuff from them; if I suspect that I'll rarely use something, I'll buy theirs
[20:27:05] <ssi> my school of thought is, if you need it one time, and it doesn't have to last, then buy HF
[20:27:11] <ssi> if not, buy the best you can possibly afford
[20:27:41] <ssi> or like... dial calipers. I LOVE good mitu or b&s calipers, but I'm really hard on them
[20:27:50] <ssi> so I tend to buy lots of disposable $10 HF calipers
[20:28:05] <ssi> because I don't cry when I destroy an HF caliper
[20:28:12] <mpictor> no kidding
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[20:41:33] <ssi> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BN9HaPBCcAA3Ia5.jpg:large
[20:41:35] <ssi> a good start
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[20:54:46] <Tom_itx> what's by the drives?
[20:54:57] <CaptHindsight> how much force should an old Bridgeport J-head require to move the quill up and down?
[20:55:09] <ssi> Tom_itx: 7i77
[20:55:29] <ssi> CaptHindsight: if the quill binds up, don't force it... you'll sratch up the bore or the quill
[20:55:30] <Tom_itx> oh you're using rail mounts
[20:55:43] <ssi> CaptHindsight: run some solvent through its oil cup to clean it out, and then put fresh oil in it
[20:55:46] <ssi> Tom_itx: yea
[20:56:29] <CaptHindsight> ssi: it moves freely without binding
[20:56:35] <ssi> oh ok
[20:57:19] <CaptHindsight> ssi: was that the criteria, moves without binding and it's fine?
[20:57:30] <ssi> yea pretty much
[20:57:41] <ssi> assuming the tension lock is completely loose, it should move pretty freely
[20:57:59] <CaptHindsight> feels like 10-15ft lbs, I didn't put a scale on the end of the handle yet
[20:58:13] <ssi> I don't know what that number is
[20:58:52] <CaptHindsight> ~15 newton meters
[20:58:56] <ssi> nonono
[20:59:00] <ssi> I don't know what the "book number" is
[20:59:23] <CaptHindsight> ah, some are just used to SI
[20:59:42] <ssi> nah, cram that frenchyfrench bs ;)
[20:59:48] <CaptHindsight> heh
[21:01:04] <CaptHindsight> we had an interesting discussion about Harbor Freight tools last night and their success in the US
[21:01:38] <CaptHindsight> seems lots of people just need a tool for an immediate project and if it works a second or third time it's considered a bonus
[21:01:47] <ssi> yeah, that's how I feel about it
[21:01:57] <CaptHindsight> and it's often lower cost than renting
[21:02:06] <ssi> if I'm gonna pull an engine once every five years
[21:02:16] <ssi> do I want a nice US made crane that costs $1k or more?
[21:02:31] <ssi> or do I want a bunch of chinese tube steel welded together with a cheap leaky bottlejack attached for $170
[21:02:47] <ssi> I want something that I'm not gonna have to store and take care of
[21:02:51] <CaptHindsight> I picked up their compound 12" miter for $160 with a 1 yr warranty, it came with an extra set of brushes
[21:02:52] <ssi> something that I won't cry if it gets left in the rain
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[21:04:12] <CaptHindsight> I just mounted an industrial 12" aluminum cutting blade that sells for the same price from
[21:04:13] <ssi> also hf serves the purpose that it teaches people the value of good tools
[21:04:28] <ssi> I bought one of their crappy inverter TIG machines ages ago
[21:04:29] <CaptHindsight> cuts through extrusions like butter
[21:04:44] <ssi> which means that when I bought my synchrowave 200 later, I really appreciated how nice it was :)
[21:04:45] <CaptHindsight> how is their TIG, I don't trust it
[21:04:48] <ssi> it's terrible
[21:05:08] <CaptHindsight> they don't have a try before buy policy :)
[21:05:20] <ssi> yeah but it's so cheap, who cares :)
[21:05:32] <ssi> I think of it more like a "try before you buy a miller" policy
[21:05:32] <ssi> hahaha
[21:05:50] <CaptHindsight> heheh, I figure I'll replace the brushes and then bring it back for the warranty
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[21:07:29] <CaptHindsight> http://www.eastwood.com/10-inch-cold-saw-woodward-fab-wfcs250.html?srccode=ga220010&utm_source=google&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=zzproduct_ads&adtype=pla&kw=&matchtype=&network=g&creativeid=15752131047&placement=&producttargetid=40408680807&gclid=CI6B5fSVirgCFYhAMgodZlAA-g looks pretty good, if I wear out the HF saw in 3 months I'l just upgrade
[21:08:21] <ssi> I wonder if I took my wiring tools back to the airport yet
[21:14:48] <CaptHindsight> http://tinyurl.com/ohjsb67 worth every penny for aluminum
[21:15:30] <tjb1> Anyone in here familiar with Gigabyte motherboards or overclocking computers?
[21:15:42] <CaptHindsight> tjb1: what do you need?
[21:16:41] <CaptHindsight> ssi: which Miller model did you go with?
[21:17:04] <ssi> synchrowave 200
[21:17:29] <tjb1> On my ga-z87x-oc board, everytime I hit the oc turbo button I get error 53 which is "Memory Initialization errors occur"
[21:17:29] <CaptHindsight> nice, just saw this
http://chicago.craigslist.org/nwc/tls/3901462528.html
[21:17:46] <tjb1> Ive tried 1600 corsair ram and 1866 gskill ram and I get it on both
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[21:18:06] <CaptHindsight> tjb1: you might need to hand tweak the settings
[21:18:18] <skunkworks__> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2STkBhUiKwg
[21:18:19] <Tecan> (2STkBhUiKwg) "LinuxCNC delta robot test" by "Parallel robots" is "Tech" - Length: 0:01:06
[21:18:22] <tjb1> The corsair shows up as 1066 in the bios when in auto
[21:18:30] <tjb1> the gskill is showing 1600
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[21:18:49] <CaptHindsight> it's the only reliable way and you need to test for hours for stability
[21:19:28] <tjb1> Well how do I solve the 53 error
[21:19:39] <mpictor> tjb1: you want to overclock a machine that will be running a machine tool? overclocking leads to instability, which is a bad idea for something controlling a machine
[21:19:49] <tjb1> mpictor: no...
[21:20:08] <mpictor> tjb1: oh ok. try adjusting the voltage up
[21:20:15] <tjb1> its at 1.5
[21:20:20] <tjb1> where it should be
[21:20:32] <mpictor> ... but you're overclocking
[21:20:44] <mpictor> so the clock _isn't_ where it "should be"
[21:21:26] <mpictor> there's probably a gigabyte forum and/or irc, where someone might actually know what 53 is
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[21:26:52] <CaptHindsight> tjb1: that board has lots of magic overclock features, i agree you should probably check the forums for what everyone has found to work
[21:28:53] <mpictor> tjb1: btw, some ram is advertised as one speed but the config chips on the sticks identify it as something slower
[21:29:30] <mpictor> so also ask on the gskill/corsair forum
[21:29:31] <Skullworks> I had to pump up the voltage 1 notch just to my system to run stable at it baseline clock speeds (gSKILL RAM)
[21:29:59] <tjb1> CaptHindsight: I can't find anything about it
[21:30:09] <tjb1> Ill try calling them monday
[21:33:38] <Skullworks> I'd love a Synchrowave - but unless one pops up on Craigs list for "$100 and you must have it removed by 5pm" type deal it won't happen anytime soon.
[21:35:29] <ssi> I'd love to have a dynasty :P
[21:36:12] <CaptHindsight> http://milwaukee.craigslist.org/tls/3833148245.html most are in this range $3-4K
[21:36:27] <ssi> I can't imagine
[21:36:33] <ssi> I paid $1700 for mine brand new
[21:36:40] <Skullworks> year?
[21:36:45] <ssi> 2008 I think?
[21:36:47] <ssi> maybe 2007
[21:36:55] <ssi> http://store.cyberweld.com/milsyn180sd2.html?utm_medium=shoppingengine&utm_source=googlebase&cvsfa=2530&cvsfe=2&cvsfhu=6d696c73796e313830736432&gclid=COGH39icirgCFWIV7AodQBAALQ
[21:36:59] <ssi> looks like $2400 now
[21:37:05] <ssi> it'd be silly to buy a 20 year old one for $4k :P
[21:37:12] <CaptHindsight> ah the SW 200 vs the 250
[21:37:24] <ssi> http://store.cyberweld.com/milsyn250dx.html?utm_medium=shoppingengine&utm_source=shopzilla
[21:37:28] <ssi> $3115
[21:37:58] <ssi> I added a weldtec water cooler to mine
[21:38:03] <ssi> that was $700 or so with the torch
[21:38:26] <CaptHindsight> maybe he has all the extras for $4k?
[21:38:27] <ssi> makes a world of difference
[21:38:28] <Skullworks> Linde used to make a kick a$$ unit back in the mid 80's then they got sold off and it was either dis-continued or quality went in the dumpster.
[21:38:47] <ssi> yeah he's got a cooler and a pulser on it
[21:38:53] <ssi> but the newer synchrowaves have pulsers built in
[21:38:57] <ssi> and coolers aren't that much money
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[21:41:25] <Skullworks> I need a MiG too. Need to make a good and proper stand for my Starrett Pink surface plate.
[21:41:39] <ssi> I would like to have a decent mig welder
[21:41:41] <ssi> I have a cheap one and I hate it
[21:42:34] <syyl> mig 29?
[21:42:49] <ssi> hell I'd be happy with a mig 15
[21:42:53] <ssi> you can get them for a song these days
[21:43:01] <ssi> they burn a PILE of fuel though :)
[21:43:19] <syyl> i bet you can fly it on vegetable oil ;)
[21:43:24] <ssi> probably
[21:43:24] <Skullworks> Think I might throw this on the CC and hope interest rates don't go too insane.
http://www.welders-direct.com/mm5/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=WD&Product_Code=907312
[21:43:27] <syyl> or on vodka
[21:43:29] <ssi> but it burns 300 gallons an hour
[21:43:33] <ssi> that's a lot of grease traps
[21:44:07] <ssi> Skullworks: that's not too bad
[21:44:19] <Skullworks> FREE SHIPPING!!!!!
[21:44:33] <ssi> I'd want a spoolgun too
[21:45:06] <ssi> in fact, I wonder if there's a way to use a tig power source with a spool gun
[21:45:20] <Skullworks> I'm old school - when MiG welding AL was still considered Verboten.
[21:45:21] <syyl> there are combination machines
[21:45:29] <syyl> but a normal tig machine cant weld mig
[21:45:35] <Tom_itx> get mcdonalds to save their fry oil for you
[21:45:45] <syyl> tig is constant current, mig is constant voltage
[21:45:51] <Tom_itx> then the air will smell like ff's
[21:45:54] <ssi> yea I suppose you're right
[21:46:08] <Skullworks> Ha - There is a longer line for the fry oil than for french fries...
[21:46:22] <ssi> yeah that fry oil is liquid gold these days :P
[21:46:31] <ssi> but damn I could go for some fries now
[21:46:33] <ssi> thanks a pantload :)
[21:46:40] <syyl> mh
[21:46:44] <Tom_itx> always glad to help
[21:46:51] <CaptHindsight> heh, now I'm hungry as well, bbl
[21:47:08] <syyl> i would like something from the restaurant with the golden M right now...
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[21:47:51] <andypugh> You consider them a "restaurant"?
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[21:48:27] <Skullworks> I buy the Dollar side salids - pisses off people at work when they try to bum some fries and I pull out purple cabbage...
[21:48:32] <syyl> of course :D
[21:48:35] <andypugh> I reckon you need waiters and the chance of at least a glass of wine n a restaurant.
[21:48:46] <Tom_itx> no but they have fuel
[21:49:02] <Skullworks> Metal Silverware...
[21:49:03] <syyl> im not that much into that whole glas and waiters thing
[21:49:13] <syyl> i got fingers and a knife on my belt ;)
[21:49:16] <Skullworks> not a Spork
[21:49:33] <Tom_itx> they sort expect too many manners for me
[21:50:16] <Tom_itx> especially the ones that give you more plate than food
[21:50:23] <CaptHindsight> http://chicago.craigslist.org/nwc/tls/3897177617.html this dosen't look to bad for $1900
[21:50:28] <syyl> thats not my world
[21:50:30] <CaptHindsight> BP knockoff
[21:50:54] <syyl> drillpress knockoff ;)
[21:51:30] <CaptHindsight> yesh, but it's fine for small aluminum parts
[21:51:45] <syyl> i think its not a bad mill at all
[21:51:55] <Skullworks> Can't buy a real BP new anymore.
[21:51:57] <syyl> but i like to rant about bridgeport-like mills ;)
[21:52:09] <ssi> hell I'd buy that
[21:52:15] <ssi> looks at least as nice as my bp clone, if not nices
[21:52:17] <ssi> nicer
[21:52:20] <ssi> and the price is right
[21:52:31] <Tom_itx> if someone set that in my drive i would let them leave it
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[21:53:05] <Skullworks> I'd make them help move it inside - I'm a tyrant!
[21:53:16] <ssi> not me
[21:53:19] <ssi> I might even come pick it up
[21:54:02] <syyl> i would try to trade it for a deckel ;)
[21:57:24] <Skullworks> there are so many DEAD BP cnc's sitting back in dusty corners - that are not considered worth the price it costs to have them moved.
[21:57:47] <ssi> next time you come across one, let me know
[21:57:48] <syyl> friend has a series 2 cnc retrofitted
[21:57:50] <CaptHindsight> who has the best deals on surface grinder wheels? Enco or?
[21:57:52] <syyl> pretty nice machine
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[21:57:56] <ssi> heh
[21:58:17] <syyl> he changed the head to a 40 taper spindle
[21:58:33] <syyl> but it runs on mach3 :(
[21:58:37] <ssi> boooo
[21:58:57] <syyl> i have to admit, it works
[21:59:04] <ssi> wait
[21:59:09] <ssi> aren't they servo machines originally?
[21:59:13] <syyl> yep
[21:59:17] <syyl> its still a servo machine :D
[21:59:19] <ssi> what'd he do, geckos?
[21:59:22] <Skullworks> must still be using those monster OEM steppers straining the limits of a Gecko 201
[21:59:24] <syyl> uhu
[21:59:26] <ssi> grody
[21:59:42] <syyl> http://www.uhu-servo.de/
[21:59:45] <ssi> oh
[21:59:59] <syyl> those run like hell
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[22:00:42] <syyl> geckos dont have a very good reputation over here..
[22:00:54] <Tom_itx> how so?
[22:00:58] <ssi> I have had reasonably good luck with G540s for stepper machines,
[22:01:03] <ssi> but it's not my preferred way of doing things
[22:01:10] <ssi> it was a good option when I was starting out
[22:01:38] <syyl> there where a lot of people that had their geckos burning out
[22:01:39] <Skullworks> I'm not thrilled with Gecko servo drives - but I just love the little G251
[22:01:39] <ssi> these days my winning combination is 5i25 -> 7i77 -> AMC servo drives
[22:02:03] <ssi> I'm working on my third machine with that toolchain
[22:02:28] <Skullworks> 7i77 is 10V ?
[22:02:34] <ssi> yeah
[22:02:42] <Skullworks> nice
[22:02:49] <ssi> 6x encoder and 10V
[22:02:52] <ssi> 48 gpio
[22:02:55] <ssi> one extra sserial port
[22:03:00] <ssi> it's a pretty nice setup
[22:03:49] <ssi> and I've had good luck with the AMC drives
[22:03:57] <ssi> there are tons of them out there used for cheap
[22:04:09] <ssi> and aside from one quirk, they work great
[22:04:10] <Skullworks> what is the plan for the G0740
[22:04:20] <ssi> exactly what I just described
[22:04:26] <ssi> 7i77, 3x AMC 30A8T
[22:04:33] <ssi> MCG 60V 200W servos
[22:04:55] <ssi> keling 65v 15A supply
[22:04:58] <Skullworks> head counter weight?
[22:05:07] <ssi> prolly do a gas spring
[22:05:33] <ssi> ballscrews are already in place
[22:05:45] <ssi> I still have to make the ballnut mount for the head, but the table's done
[22:05:51] <Skullworks> direct drive or belt reduction?
[22:05:55] <ssi> belt reduction
[22:06:00] <ssi> they're 5300rpm motors
[22:06:17] <Skullworks> Zoom zoom
[22:06:32] <ssi> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BKR1ZaVCcAAQ_7t.jpg:large
[22:06:43] <ssi> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BKLi5haCMAIynMD.jpg:large
[22:06:49] <ssi> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BKM8TVgCMAE_YeB.jpg:large
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[22:09:04] <Skullworks> are those 4 brush or just have the brushes @ 90 degrees?
[22:09:54] <ssi> you know, I'm not sure offhand
[22:09:54] <ssi> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BKM97aHCAAMBFum.jpg:large
[22:09:57] <ssi> I have two types of motor
[22:09:58] <ssi> two of each
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[22:10:08] <ssi> I'm using the fat ones for X and Z, and the skinny one for Y
[22:11:07] <Skullworks> The long one is a 2 brush
[22:11:17] <ssi> yeah, definitely
[22:11:21] <ssi> but I dunno about the short one
[22:12:07] <JT-Shop> http://imagebin.org/262919
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[22:12:42] <ssi> oooo toys
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[22:13:12] <JT-Shop> aye, 8" rotary table and 4 jaw chuck
[22:13:16] <ssi> awesome
[22:13:18] <JT-Shop> and a free hat
[22:13:50] <ssi> the important part
[22:13:50] <JT-Shop> bbl
[22:13:58] <ssi> 8" rotab is a big boy
[22:15:50] <Skullworks> I'm kinda searching for a dead Hurco KM3 - Its built on Kondia Iron from Spain - its a great machine. They come with Servomate SCR amps and Pac Sci 4 brush motors with Litton encoders and tach feedback. Its a cake walk conversion.
[22:16:24] <ssi> hy HNC was a pretty easy conversion
[22:16:31] <Skullworks> Update the amps and now you could have a real monster
[22:16:51] <ssi> my amps? they work fine
[22:17:42] <DJ9DJ> gn8
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[22:18:54] <Skullworks> no - I was referring to the old SCR amps (Servomate) used in the Hurco - they work OK but are slower reaction - not the best for high speed profiling. But as is the machine rapids at 250 and profiles at 100 IPM
[22:19:45] <ssi> ah
[22:20:46] <Skullworks> But trying to do fine engraving - your limited to about 7-8 IPM or the following error gets out of hand.
[22:21:04] <Skullworks> better amps would fix that.
[22:23:25] <ssi> what amps would you use
[22:26:33] <Skullworks> not really sure as yet - was thinking maybe Jon's Pico amp - if I could run the tach feedback into a Mesa card.
[22:28:02] <Skullworks> my Servo power supply is rated for 90V - but due to a hotter than normal AC line its higher than that.
[22:28:27] <ssi> that's one thing that's bitten me with amc drives
[22:28:32] <ssi> most of them are 80v
[22:28:36] <ssi> they come in two flavors, 80v and 200v
[22:28:37] <Skullworks> I think if I meter a wall recepticle its like 140-144V
[22:28:51] <ssi> that's why I'm running these 60v motors this go round
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[22:32:11] <Skullworks1> Thunder - lightening - and dropping out DSL... I'm on UPS with a knotted cord and so is all parts of my local network.
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[22:36:05] <andypugh> Who said that you can't buy a new Bridgeport any more?
http://www.kneemills.com
[22:38:48] <Skullworks1> There was a big press release a few years back on how Hardinge was loosing so much money on the BP line that they were going to finally shut it down.
[22:39:38] <Skullworks1> Wonder if they outsourced the work - just like most other "US" based manufacturing...
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[22:48:52] <Skullworks> that last one put the lights out for a few seconds.
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[22:50:10] <Skullworks> guess its time for me to quit.
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[23:11:04] <PetefromTn> Guess what guys I managed to get that High speed spindle mount done with Billy's help. Went PERFECT!! Damn I love this Cincinatti LOL
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