#linuxcnc | Logs for 2013-06-26

[00:00:46] <Jymmm> Nelson Mandela died :(
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[00:04:45] <Connor> Jymmm: Where are you seeing that at ?
[00:06:54] <Jymmm> http://www.dw.de/retraction-nelson-mandela/a-16884259
[00:07:44] <Connor> Retraction: Nelson MandelaWe regret that due to a technical error our report of Nelson Mandela's death was unintentionally published. It has now been taken down.
[00:13:56] <jdh> so, the only thing between being alive or dead is a technical error?
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[01:16:46] <Tom_itx> awfully quiet here
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[01:46:02] <PetefromTn> Yup pretty damn quiet
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[01:49:54] <PetefromTn> Well I managed to get most of the machining done on my CAt40 Flycutter adapter for my facemill toolholder today. I still need to drill and tap for the setscrews. The toolholder seems to fit nice in the slot and the bores came out pretty nice on the lathe.
[01:50:32] <PetefromTn> Tomorrow I should be able to locate and drill and tap the holes and finally test the thing on my aluminum blanks I made for my vise jaws.
[01:51:10] <PetefromTn> I am then gonna draw up a simple program to machine the holes for the jaw bolts and be ready to make some cool stuff.
[01:51:45] <PetefromTn> The VMC ran PERFECTLY today. I am still amazed how well and stable LinuxCNC runs.
[01:51:56] <skunkworks> PetefromTn: great!
[01:52:15] <skunkworks> did you figure out the comunication issue you where having earlier?
[01:52:18] <PetefromTn> Cutting that 5/8 wide slot in the stainless steel holder so easily is just amazing.
[01:52:27] <PetefromTn> communication?
[01:52:50] <PetefromTn> do you mean the problem with the travel?
[01:52:51] <skunkworks> I thought between the 5i25 and the daughter card (long cable?)
[01:53:06] <PetefromTn> No problems there that I can see.
[01:53:11] <skunkworks> great!
[01:53:43] <PetefromTn> I am still occasionally getting some errors upon startup of the spindle due to noise but I have not messed with fixing it yet.
[01:53:51] <PetefromTn> I have some ideas tho.
[01:54:17] <PetefromTn> The Cinci is a BEAST compared to my RF45 and basically everything I have ever used
[01:54:36] <skunkworks> yes - it is nice having heavy iron
[01:54:40] <PetefromTn> It seems to cut equal at least to the Haas Machines I ran in that shop
[01:54:57] <PetefromTn> Stainless and steels are NO problem at all LOL
[01:56:09] <PetefromTn> I was not even pushing it because the tool holder body was which was round was just held in the vise at the specific angle between the fixed jaw and my little V jaw I have here against the moving jaw.
[01:56:25] <PetefromTn> So no crazy deep cuts were going on due to fear of pullout
[01:56:50] <PetefromTn> but it STILL made cuts that my old RF45 would have been shaking like crazy with.
[01:57:34] <PetefromTn> I have drawn my Spindle Encoder mount in Freecad and once I can face stuff with this new toolholder I am gonna try to machine that thing.
[01:58:27] <Tom_itx> did you try cambam?
[01:58:39] <Tom_itx> i've never used it so i don't know if it's any good or not
[01:59:00] <PetefromTn> Yeah I am playing with it.
[01:59:16] <Tom_itx> does it let you modify the post?
[01:59:20] <PetefromTn> I have not tested any code with it yet but it seems to work pretty good with toolpathing
[01:59:24] <PetefromTn> Yeah\
[01:59:49] <Tom_itx> you're using the older free version?
[01:59:55] <PetefromTn> There are a couple ways to do it as well and there is apparently already a native post for LinuxCNC|
[01:59:55] <PetefromTn> \
[02:00:25] <PetefromTn> No the free trial of the newest version. Works 40 times apparently fully featured
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[02:06:58] <Tom_itx> so never close it?
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[02:09:29] <PetefromTn> Tom_itx: Honestly that is exactly what I am gonna do for a bit while I test it out to make sure it will do what I want. It is so cheap for what you are getting I will of course buy it but I really like the way they let you really use it for a bit.
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[02:10:20] <PetefromTn> If you look at thier forum there are some pretty impressive features that it can do for the price.
[02:10:59] <PetefromTn> It can even do native JPG or Bitmap to Gcode for things like lithopanes and stuff. Pretty sweet.
[02:11:15] <jdh> how do you hold work when cutting outside profiles?
[02:11:50] <Tom_itx> depends
[02:11:54] <Tom_itx> on the part
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[02:12:10] <Tom_itx> sometimes i hold a bit of the bottom and profile it
[02:12:20] <Tom_itx> other times i bolt it to a workplate
[02:12:24] <PetefromTn> yeah man it depends
[02:12:35] <Tom_itx> you can put op stops to move fixtures if you need to
[02:12:39] <PetefromTn> Sometimes I use tabs, Sometimes I drill and tap some hold down bolts
[02:12:50] <Tom_itx> bolt tabs is another way
[02:12:54] <PetefromTn> Sometimes I even use adhesives
[02:13:03] <jdh> hm. I should have put some stops on my plate for remounting.
[02:13:13] <Tom_itx> vaccuum plates, double back tape etc
[02:13:27] <Tom_itx> i heard someone here using superglue
[02:13:40] <Tom_itx> add locating pins if you need to move stuff
[02:13:40] <jdh> these brackets had some internal holes so I did them first and then bolted through the holes to some Al plate
[02:14:01] <Tom_itx> or make a 2nd op fixture to locate it
[02:14:18] <PetefromTn> They actually sell some kind of epoxy that is heat release above what is typical in machining and apparently works quite well
[02:14:24] <Tom_itx> we used soft jaws alot for stuff like that
[02:14:31] <Tom_itx> cut the profile into the jaws
[02:14:37] <Tom_itx> while they're separated a bit
[02:14:52] <archivist> shellac was the clock/watchmakers way
[02:15:05] <jdh> I don't want to scrap a plate big enough to hold this next one down though
[02:15:12] <PetefromTn> Yeah that is what I do a lot, softjaws
[02:15:40] <Tom_itx> http://tom-itx.dyndns.org:81/~webpage/cnc/P3.jpg
[02:15:46] <Tom_itx> that's one we used softjaws on
[02:15:49] <PetefromTn> Sometimes I use 123 blocks and bolt thru the part to the table for a goaround
[02:16:02] <Tom_itx> http://tom-itx.dyndns.org:81/~webpage/cnc/P1.jpg
[02:16:08] <Tom_itx> P1 & P2 were similar
[02:16:16] <Tom_itx> then i stood it up and cut the inner slot
[02:16:20] <jdh> did you cut P3 as a 3d cut, or cut/rotate/cut?
[02:16:29] <Tom_itx> just a slot
[02:16:41] <Tom_itx> the profile was done by then
[02:16:43] <Tom_itx> and the hole
[02:18:17] <Tom_itx> i used to keep a 6" kurt vise in my cad files to add in later to show the operator
[02:28:21] <Tom_itx> jdh, if it's a flat part you can use material thicker than you need and flycut the bottom of when it's done if you hold it in a vice jaw. You would need a vicejaw with the part profile in it for that though.
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[02:58:32] <KimK> Tom_itx: Did you hear anything on your missing card yet?
[02:58:59] <Tom_itx> nope
[02:59:30] <KimK> OK, I'll let you know if I hear anything.
[03:00:20] <Tom_itx> thanks
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[04:04:14] <CaptHindsight> whats a good 33JT replacement chuck?
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[06:49:49] <DJ9DJ> moin
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[07:25:50] <RyanS> What's typically used to test chuck runout ? hss round tool steel blank?
[07:29:24] <archivist> and a dti
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[07:35:53] <RyanS> yeah but it's not ground, annealed silver steel i need, it's ground and hardened tool steel?
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[10:03:09] <tjtr33> Tom_itx, interesting part http://tom-itx.dyndns.org:81/~webpage/cnc/P3.jpg
[10:03:37] <tjtr33> at the fest, the master programmer Willy, gave a run thru of NCL, the system they use
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[10:04:24] <tjtr33> he imported an IGES model , built a box around it, representing the stock, and decided the milling procedure and clamping
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[10:05:10] <tjtr33> he , like you, had to add clamping that eventually got cut thru releasing the part.
[10:05:57] <tjtr33> it involved on reclamping. i'd never seen the bounding box idea before, very interesting ( i always worked from prints not models )
[10:06:10] <tjtr33> *one reclamping
[10:06:47] <tjtr33> btw, the NCL demo was for the APT360 interest group ( similar )
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[10:20:16] <archivist_herron> tjtr33, hmm what I miss :)
[10:20:32] <andy1978> jdh: have you seen my hf2gcode posting on the mailing list or got it dropped?
[10:22:57] <andy1978> hm, anyone?
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[10:36:18] <RyanS> Shall I find it strange that metal suppliers tend to stock everything except cast-iron?
[10:36:28] <RyanS> should
[10:41:33] <jthornton> cast iron is usually not in stock shapes but cast to a specific shape
[10:43:25] <RyanS> I found one place a foundry only suppliers 3 m lengths of cast iron bar
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[10:47:44] <archivist_herron> some cut to size
[10:53:47] <archivist_herron> the continuous cast stuff is rather nice
[10:54:07] <jthornton> I need an A axis on my BP knee mill, I've been looking at rotary tables on flea bay but not sure if that is a good way to go
[10:56:35] <jthornton> has anyone converted a manual rotary to stepper or servo?
[10:58:09] <archivist_herron> both mine are stepper conversions on elcheapo rotaries
[10:58:57] <archivist_herron> one is a Vertex the other a chinese copy of it
[10:59:09] <jthornton> I need to cut short pieces of tubing to fit into a 3 way intersection so not very precise
[11:00:49] <archivist_herron> http://www.archivist.info/cnc/stage8/IMG_0268.JPG you can see one of the mounts
[11:01:55] <jthornton> that looks easy enough, you just removed the handle and put a coupling on it to the stepper?
[11:02:13] <RyanS> hmm, chuck adapter making fun tomorrow..
[11:02:22] <archivist_herron> http://www.archivist.info/cnc/stage7/IMG_0252.JPG the other has a tube with a slot to access the coupling
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[11:03:23] <archivist_herron> jthornton, yup machined a plate to register and screw holes plus the four pillar holes
[11:03:58] <archivist_herron> nothing too posh or accurate :)
[11:05:02] <jthornton> this only needs to cut bevels on tubing atm
[11:06:13] <archivist_herron> only thing with the cheap rotaries is keeping the backlash down to acceptable levels
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[11:06:30] <archivist_herron> or hiding it in the gcode
[11:06:31] <jthornton> http://www.ebay.com/itm/ACCURA-VERTEX-HV-6-6-INCH-HORIZONTAL-VERTICAL-ROTARY-TABLE-SWEET-/321141545975?pt=BI_Tool_Work_Holding&hash=item4ac5871bf7
[11:07:26] <archivist_herron> I have the copy of that, bar stewards even put HV6 on the box
[11:09:02] <archivist_herron> http://www.chronos.ltd.uk/acatalog/Soba_Rotary_Tables_and_accessories.html the soba one
[11:10:16] <archivist_herron> Vertex do quote accuracy etc
[11:10:49] <archivist_herron> have 90-1 reduction too
[11:11:05] <RyanS> So it's essentially just a matter of slapping a stepper motor in place of the handle
[11:11:46] <jthornton> the soba is cheaper than the fleabay ones
[11:12:43] <archivist_herron> no quality spec with a soba
[11:13:44] <RyanS> archivist what on earth sort of spindle is that from? on your mill
[11:14:50] <archivist_herron> a lathe headstock
[11:15:13] <archivist_herron> google hobbymat md65
[11:15:39] <archivist_herron> as a lathe it is one of the worst in the world
[11:18:40] <archivist_herron> http://www.lathes.co.uk/hobbymat/
[11:22:08] <RyanS> I wonder if myford lathes (considering people buy old ones and do restoration) are really any better than new Chinese lathes
[11:22:31] <RyanS> Or any other brand equivalent people tend to restore
[11:28:22] <archivist_herron> I would prefer something with a better bed design than a myford
[11:29:54] <archivist_herron> a worn myford has play or is tight with very little usable sliding area
[11:30:54] <archivist_herron> I live 20 miles from Myfords factory so should be biased in favour, only model makers think they are good
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[11:31:35] <archivist_herron> few of them have used a better machine
[11:31:37] <jthornton> http://www.grizzly.com/products/6-Inch-Rotary-Table/SB1364
[11:31:48] <jthornton> this one has backlash adjustment
[11:31:58] <jthornton> a bit higher priced
[11:32:34] <archivist_herron> the vertex can be adjusted
[11:32:58] <archivist_herron> that suspiciously looks like a southbend label on .....
[11:35:20] <jthornton> LOL on Amazon no less http://www.amazon.com/dp/B000HRY444
[11:36:05] <RyanS> do you like my 'genuine' Rolex of dial test indicators? http://www.auctiva.com/hostedimages/showimage.aspx?gid=761370&image=350164273&images=350164273&formats=0&format=0
[11:36:48] <RyanS> In case you can't see it it has "Mityutoyo made in Japan" on the face
[11:37:40] <archivist_herron> jthornton, the number of slots is different but the side view of yuasa shows 6 slot
[11:38:10] <archivist_herron> RyanS, mitutoyo is ok
[11:38:53] <archivist_herron> genuine mitutoyo is anyway
[11:39:20] <RyanS> This one is 'genuine' :P
[11:40:07] <RyanS> pssst. wanna buya fake Mityutoyo
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[11:43:05] <skunkworks> ooh fancy - http://www.machsupport.com/
[11:43:11] <skunkworks> (new website)
[11:43:21] <skunkworks> http://www.machsupport.com/software/mach4/
[11:44:55] <Jymmm> HAHAHA "100% Satisfaction Coming soon"... In the meantime you're fucked. Thank you and have a nice day.
[11:45:10] <jthornton> lol
[11:45:26] <Jymmm> http://www.machsupport.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/mach4-coming-soon.jpg
[11:46:21] <archivist_herron> over here there is a law that fall foul of
[11:47:15] <Jymmm> archivist_herron: What happens when they break that 2year warranty law?
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[11:47:46] <Tom_itx> tjtr33, in that case the finished part was clamped on the base and there was no extra material. by the time P3 came around the profile and horizontal hole was already cut
[11:48:06] <archivist_herron> advertising standards authority would stamp on that 100%
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[11:50:16] <Tom_itx> Jymmm, who's satisfaction? the author or the user?
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[11:51:04] <archivist_herron> advertising has to be legal, decent, honest and truthful
[11:51:21] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: Well, since it's "Coming Soon", I'm guessing the accountant counting all the snake oil profits =)
[11:51:34] <archivist_herron> it phails the honest and truthful tests
[11:51:52] <jthornton> 8" Horizontal/Vertical Rotary Table - Yuasa Type
[11:51:54] <Jymmm> archivist_herron: LOL, McDonalds would be screwed on product photos alone on that.
[11:51:58] <jthornton> http://www.grizzly.com/products/8-Horizontal-Vertical-Rotary-Table-Yuasa-Type/G9298
[11:52:08] <jthornton> what is a Yuasa Type?
[11:52:16] <Tom_itx> Jymmm, the odds are in their favor though
[11:52:30] <Tom_itx> surely somewhere sometime they've served something 'similar'
[11:52:33] <archivist_herron> Jymmm, I think mkd did have a run in with the authority
[11:52:43] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: Never bet against the house =)
[11:53:04] <archivist_herron> jthornton, I assume another maker
[11:53:16] <Tom_itx> i will give it to them on their smoothies
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[11:53:37] <archivist_herron> http://www.yuasa-intl.com/
[11:53:55] <Jymmm> archivist_herron: Yeah, I know when I hit Burger King, my burger ALWAYS looks like this... NOT! http://www.savingmoneyinmissouri.com/wp-content/uploads//2012/12/whopper.jpg
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[11:54:38] <Jymmm> https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/91/Burger_King_Whopper_Combo.jpg
[11:54:58] <archivist_herron> jthornton, or does it mean we copied yuasa :)
[11:55:12] <jthornton> I think that is correct
[11:55:33] <Tom_itx> tjtr33, the bounding box is a safe way to program. the operator also knows then the material block to prepare
[11:55:53] <archivist_herron> jthornton, http://www.yuasa-intl.com/products_list.aspx?sid=30
[11:56:18] <Tom_itx> unless you're cutting stuff from flat plate or such
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[12:00:13] <jthornton> seems from the Griz the Yuasa Type is the only one that has any specifications
[12:01:15] <archivist_herron> respectable companies have specs :)
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[12:07:48] <RyanS> re*spec*table .... hurhur
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[14:42:18] <rizo> hello, is there an option to "halcmd show pin pid.0" in loop to refresh and dosplay the signals
[14:43:18] <JT-Shop> halmeter
[14:44:09] <rizo> i know, but it display yust one signal or i need to write the script to run multiple halmeters
[14:45:51] <pcw_home> you can 'watch' it and save the watch list
[14:48:40] <pcw_home> machine --> show hal configuration --> watch --> pins --> the pins you want
[14:48:52] <pcw_home> (in axis)
[14:54:19] <rizo> pcw_home, thank you :)
[14:56:25] <JT-Shop> rizo: are you running Axis?
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[14:57:49] <Nick001-Shop> How do I clear a g54 register?
[14:58:03] <JT-Shop> g10
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[14:58:26] <Nick001-Shop> just that in mdi?
[14:58:36] <JT-Shop> you running axis?
[14:58:49] <Nick001-Shop> yes in lathe
[14:58:58] <JT-Shop> just use the menu
[14:59:54] <Nick001-Shop> in the touch off screen, is there a way of having tool table as the top line?
[15:00:28] <JT-Shop> yes you select it and it is stays up there
[15:00:40] <rizo> JT-Shop, yes
[15:01:19] <Nick001-Shop> can I have it as default top line?
[15:03:50] <Nick001-Shop> wrong question - how do I make the touch off screen come up with tool table as the top line by default?
[15:06:32] <JT-Shop> rizo: just set up a watch window in show hal configuration
[15:07:56] <JT-Shop> Nick001: hack axis
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[15:08:52] <archivist> careful with that axe eugene
[15:10:36] <Nick001-Shop> What is the file name that hase the touch off list?
[15:12:20] <JT-Shop> might be one of many, I know there are one/some tcl files and at least one or three python files and maybe some more I don't know about
[15:12:50] <JT-Shop> I do know you can create an .axisrc file to override code in axis
[15:13:41] <JT-Shop> I'd play with a rip before messing up the installed files
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[15:16:27] <JT-Shop> holy moly this box of 1/4"-20 x 3/8" FHCS is made in the USA
[15:17:18] <ssi> every box of fasteners I buy is made in the US :P
[15:17:23] <Nick001-Shop> I'll have to do that later - right now have to get rid of a g59 dimension that got put in there and is screwing up a lathe job I'm trying to get going. Did a touch off with a new tool and didn't scroll down to the tool table first.
[15:17:36] <ssi> because it's all either from mcmaster or aviation hardware :P
[15:23:37] <JT-Shop> that's where I got this box from mcmaster
[15:26:06] <JT-Shop> Nick001-Shop: that is on the menu
[15:31:32] <ssi> most of the standard-size SHCS I get from mcmaster are made by Kerr in Ohio
[15:32:12] <JT-Shop> these were made in IN IIRC
[15:32:26] <JT-Shop> I have a lot of boxes of Kerr in the drawer
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[15:54:57] <tjtr33> on the 23rd, glowplug mentioned an 'instructable' for "sexy 6-axis robot" .
[15:55:09] <tjtr33> its a great read, tho I'd like tandem arms all the time.
[15:55:23] <tjtr33> then suddenly it gets real sci-fi as the author says he's controlling it with his mind using this
[15:55:24] <tjtr33> http://www.emotiv.com/apps/epoc/299/ well a great read anyway :)
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[16:31:07] <JT-Shop> Yikes! I just bailed 20 gallons of water out of my return air duct... my paint job must have been real good to hold the water that long
[16:33:26] <Jymmm> or that much of a hidden leak =)
[16:34:53] <JT-Shop> drain trap plugged up with green monsters and I noticed it yesterday so I cleaned the trap out and mopped up the water. Went back to check and more water... look deeper into the sympton and found the remaining water in the pool!
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[16:48:45] <IchGuckLive> hi all B)
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[16:56:12] <frallzor> ahoyhoy
[16:56:18] <IchGuckLive> B)
[16:56:56] <frallzor> new day, new projects, and finally a 3D-printer one
[16:57:24] <IchGuckLive> what type
[16:57:43] <frallzor> starting simple, FDM
[16:58:45] <frallzor> using coreXY with timing belts for... well X and Y and ballscrew for Z
[16:58:53] <frallzor> and proper linear rails for all axis
[17:00:02] <IchGuckLive> z masslscrew is crab as you move only up
[17:00:33] <IchGuckLive> my keyboard writes its own words O.O Ballscrew
[17:00:39] <frallzor> if you go gold, why settle for silver on some parts =)
[17:00:55] <frallzor> sounds better too with ballscrew =P
[17:01:06] <IchGuckLive> US or europ
[17:01:13] <frallzor> europe
[17:01:23] <IchGuckLive> Germany ?=
[17:01:26] <frallzor> sweden
[17:01:29] <frallzor> so close =)
[17:01:32] <frallzor> kind of
[17:01:40] <IchGuckLive> then go polan for the best part
[17:02:05] <frallzor> I went Swedish =)
[17:02:18] <IchGuckLive> Sandvik
[17:02:36] <frallzor> they do these things too?
[17:02:57] <IchGuckLive> yes the rails are well worldwide best products
[17:03:16] <frallzor> most of my taps are sandvik atleast =)
[17:04:00] <IchGuckLive> as most worldwide are
[17:05:14] <frallzor> dont know much about the parts im getting, but from what I´ve heard, theyre good.
[17:05:35] <IchGuckLive> the nozzle is the goal
[17:06:08] <frallzor> i wont make a extruder on my own though at this point
[17:06:17] <frallzor> gonna find the best possible build I can
[17:10:08] <jthornton> a plain back chuck with mounting bolts from the front like this one http://www.grizzly.com/products/8-4-Jaw-Plain-Back-Independent-Chuck/G9866 can be mounted to a rotary table
[17:10:13] <jthornton> like this one http://www.grizzly.com/products/8-Horizontal-Vertical-Rotary-Table-Yuasa-Type/G9298
[17:10:18] <jthornton> with T nuts?
[17:12:08] <Jymmm> jthornton: T Nuts, Straight Nuts, Gay Nuts, Your Nuts... whatever gets the job done.
[17:12:53] <jdh> I would think not.
[17:13:18] <Jymmm> jdh: Then grow a pair already.... wuss!
[17:13:34] <jdh> you could probably do a 6" chuck on there, with a backing plate
[17:14:04] <jthornton> what would the backing plate do?
[17:14:16] <jdh> actually, it looks like it might work.
[17:14:33] <jthornton> bolt from the front as it is a 4 jaw chuck
[17:14:41] <jdh> I've seen smaller ones that you had to bolt the chuck to something, then clamp that on the rotarty
[17:14:58] <jthornton> scroll chuck?
[17:15:02] <jdh> probably
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[17:16:58] <willburrrr2003> Good day all, Anypugh are you on today? I would like to pick your brain about stepgen....
[17:17:24] <Jymmm> andypugh: ZOMBIE ATTACK... RUN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[17:18:21] <willburrrr2003> > Jymmm ...LOL
[17:18:30] <andypugh> Eeek! (I feel he may have selected the wong target)
[17:18:32] <willburrrr2003> braaaaaiinnnsssss
[17:18:54] <Jymmm> Send more pramedics!!!
[17:19:00] <Jymmm> paramedics
[17:19:36] <Jymmm> that is an awesome movie!!!
[17:20:34] <willburrrr2003> andypugh , on stepgen you said that I could limit my output freq with maxvel...but I am wondering how linuxcnc knows what freq is being out put if the velocity command from linuxcnc is in rpm, and maxvel as far as I understood it was the max RPMs that linuxcnc can call for?
[17:21:05] <willburrrr2003> I mean, it does work the way I configured it...just trying to wrap my brain around what your describing, and the why
[17:21:13] <andypugh> Max frequency is related to the stepgen scale and the stepgen max velocity.
[17:21:32] <willburrrr2003> there's a scale in stepgen?! :p
[17:22:00] <willburrrr2003> I thought I had to use an external scal module?
[17:22:00] <andypugh> Yes, that is what all the messing about with leadscrew pitches and gearing is used to calculate
[17:22:31] <tjtr33> could someone try this cfg? sim/axis axis_foam ? i get this "insmod: error inserting '/home/tomp/linuxcnc-dev/rtlib/or2.ko': -1 File exists"
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[17:22:45] <andypugh> The scale is steps per unit length for position mode. I am not sure what it is for velocity, probably the same.
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[17:23:37] <andypugh> So, if you tell the system that the stepgen scale is 1000 steps per inch, and the max speed is 25 in/sec then you get a max frequency of 25kHz.
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[17:24:11] <andypugh> However, you can almost certainly fiddle those numbers to give a command in rpm and get the required frequency out.,
[17:25:39] <willburrrr2003> yes, or redefine steplen to give a max freq, and send an commanded rpm speed request from linuxcnc to stepgen as I have done
[17:26:06] <willburrrr2003> I love how versitile linuxcnc is, and that there are so many ways that something can be made to work
[17:26:15] <andypugh> tjtr33: Works for me (in master)
[17:29:49] <IchGuckLive> tjtr33: axis-foam is from me
[17:30:01] <willburrrr2003> Ok, for encoder. I will be using a single pulse for encoder phase z, and a 36 pulse for encoder phase a...am I hooking my pulses to the correct phases ?
[17:30:15] <tjtr33> thx: my pull was just b4 the fest , will look further A( maybe i have a linuxcnc running on one of these desktops :)
[17:30:24] <IchGuckLive> its for the XYUV mashine
[17:30:43] <IchGuckLive> Foamcutter 2 planes
[17:31:24] <tjtr33> IchGuckLive, a guy asked me for open src real wedm (AGie) gcode generator, and i thought i's use sim/axis/foam as a visual tool
[17:31:30] <tjtr33> and many thx for the work
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[17:32:34] <tjtr33> his control would want a custom post, it gets XY and an angle to xy plane ( not sure where he puts the plane heights yet )
[17:32:38] <IchGuckLive> agie evolution or the D200 serias uses a backward forward G-code Distance generation
[17:32:52] <IchGuckLive> to get the best out of the generator
[17:32:56] <tjtr33> again, unknown, likely DEM250 ( old!)
[17:33:06] <IchGuckLive> so the mashine knows every time the length to pendel
[17:33:46] <tjtr33> unsure, this is all preliminary look into his resources
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[17:33:54] <IchGuckLive> and the new one evolution4 incector goes as fast as the mill with more then 45mm/min on 62HRC 25mm plates
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[17:34:43] <tjtr33> really! thats huge amount of swarf for a wedm, ( i worked for agie for 12 yrs )
[17:34:58] <IchGuckLive> the agie strategie is the best iknow so far for punging plates to go
[17:34:59] <tjtr33> 2 sqr inches per min
[17:35:17] <IchGuckLive> not on destroy on cut
[17:35:42] <IchGuckLive> on pricise D0002 it is 120mm/min at 0.01mm
[17:36:27] <tjtr33> thx again, will go try to figger my prob with loading that module
[17:36:43] <IchGuckLive> http://www.hager.de/ecatimages/large/VK_3.jpg
[17:37:18] <IchGuckLive> i did tools 15yrs to punch this hols out of plastik at max 35m/min with 5-12 punchers
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[17:38:23] <tjtr33> ah the vertical holes are punched, its a German Panduit, nice
[17:38:42] <tjtr33> extrude then punch
[17:40:39] <IchGuckLive> yes in one line
[17:48:15] <jdh> does G61/G64 persist over linuxcnc restarts? Is it stored somewhere viewable?
[17:48:46] <IchGuckLive> in the ini use Startup G-code
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[18:26:01] <glowplug> Hello again. =)
[18:29:14] <glowplug> I have a question regarding the 6-axis configurations. I think I know the answer but I just want to be sure.
[18:29:47] <glowplug> LinuxCNC cannot translate G-Code produced in 3-axis to a 6+ axis robot correct? The G-code needs to be generated for 6+ axis machining?
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[18:36:05] <skunkworks> glowplug, depends on what you mean. You can setup kins that translates world to joint. So you can program xyz and linuxcnc translates to 1-6 joints.
[18:37:03] <glowplug> Interesting. I found a project online that is *very* similar to what I planned. http://www.alvarogil.com/cadcam/robot/index.html
[18:37:25] <glowplug> He uses MasterCAM and RobotMaster to generate 6-axis G-Code. Your saying that wasn't even necessary?
[18:38:08] <archivist> depends......
[18:38:08] <skunkworks> heh using mach - you would have to do that. :)
[18:38:35] <glowplug> Thats where I got confused. In the description he says "EMC2"
[18:38:39] <glowplug> Then further down it says Mach3.
[18:38:56] <archivist> you may want something in between some kins and 5 axis gcode
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[18:39:28] <glowplug> Currently in the Puma560 simulator I can't even get it to draw a circle. I'm missing something major here... haha
[18:39:32] <archivist> anyone using mach is confused :)
[18:39:32] <skunkworks> glowplug, linuxcnc is running normal xyz gcode here and translating it into joints.
[18:39:33] <skunkworks> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=80YhX73DuSg
[18:40:30] <skunkworks> glowplug, did you home it?
[18:40:43] <glowplug> This is extremely interesting because it essentially makes 4-9 axis CAM software irrelevent...
[18:40:53] <glowplug> Yes it is homed. But probably not correctly. Haha
[18:41:38] <archivist> 3 axis has no head rotation, you probably want 5
[18:42:31] <glowplug> But in theory if I have 3-axis g-code I can machine something in 3 dimensions using a 6-axis robot (it just wouldn't use head rotation).
[18:43:05] <archivist> yes like that video
[18:44:39] <glowplug> I just need to tackle why I can't get the simulation working with basic 3-axis g-code then.
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[18:45:48] <archivist> some error in dimension, did you adjust the model as well as the kins
[18:46:32] <glowplug> The model seems to be a good size and position. How do I adjust the kins?
[18:46:48] <glowplug> One major issue I'm having is that the "touch off" button is greyed out. Is this normal?
[18:47:43] <archivist> have you adjusted anything at all or is it the stock model
[18:48:18] <glowplug> I had changed some things. But I did a complete re-compile of LinuxCNC 2.6 and I'm starting from scratch now.
[18:53:28] <skunkworks> the puma sim works - i have played with it
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[18:56:00] <glowplug> What did you use to generate the G-Code?
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[19:06:17] <glowplug> I'm using Inkscape + GCodeTools. I have a file that I used on my 3-axis CNC and it worked perfectly. In the Puma560 sim it immediately says "Exceeded soft limit on joint 2"
[19:09:30] <cpresser> glowplug: its outside the working area
[19:09:46] <cpresser> either scale the gcode, or increase the working-area (soft-limits)
[19:10:12] <glowplug> How do I go about option #2?
[19:13:13] <jdh> change the machine limits in your .ini
[19:16:34] <glowplug> Hmm. I'll take a look again. Thanks =).
[19:18:42] <cradek> often that just means your origin is set wrong
[19:18:51] <cradek> look at your bounding box and see what's sticking out
[19:19:50] <glowplug> The red box is massive. My part is just a drawing in the center of it.
[19:21:09] <glowplug> Also the grey pointer for the robots tool is exactly where its supposed to be.
[19:22:07] <jdh> did you home and touch-off?
[19:22:27] <glowplug> Thats whats giving me a hard time. The "touch off" button is greyed out when the robot is activated.
[19:22:50] <jdh> I didn't know there was a touch off button
[19:23:25] <glowplug> In the Axis GUI there is a "home all" and "touch off". On my 3-axis I use those to before I start and it works perfectly.
[19:23:43] <glowplug> In the Puma SIM the touch off button is greyed out. Can't use it. O.o
[19:24:15] <jdh> I guess I have seen them. I just use home & end
[19:25:00] <glowplug> Hmm. Where do you use the end function?
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[19:25:37] <jdh> touch-off
[19:26:13] <glowplug> Haha. Damn it!
[19:26:42] <glowplug> I've googled "linuxcnc touch-off greyed out / disabled" I can't seem to find anyone with the same problem.
[19:27:50] <jdh> hit $?
[19:29:39] <glowplug> !!!
[19:29:47] <glowplug> What does $ do?
[19:30:05] <skunkworks> changes from joint to world
[19:30:08] <skunkworks> and back
[19:30:34] <glowplug> And that magically re-enables touch-off? What the heck?
[19:30:42] <skunkworks> so the display will change from joint 0-5 to xyzabc...
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[19:31:50] <glowplug> So by default its showing me the joints and not the XYZ coordinates.
[19:31:55] <glowplug> Interesting.
[19:32:30] <cradek> touch off (and most of gcode) make no sense in joint mode
[19:32:41] <jdh> does ctrl-V do something special in axis? WHen pasting into the MDI window, my view always changes.
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[19:33:54] <cradek> in X, you highlight the text you want and then paste by pressing the middle button
[19:34:29] <cradek> in recent years some misguided people have stirred in the windows convention of C-x C-c C-v as well, making an unholy combination
[19:34:32] <jdh> my middle button is scroll wheel that does weird things when I push it.
[19:35:02] <cradek> some misguided people have also made mice without good middle buttons
[19:35:06] <jdh> I'm not a mouse fan
[19:35:46] <jdh> all the marks on my vise and table are due to bad mdi entry.
[19:36:08] <cradek> you might try shift-insert
[19:36:33] <jdh> didn't work
[19:36:35] <jdh> but, ctrl-insert works in gedit
[19:36:56] <cradek> shift insert works for me
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[19:37:19] <cradek> highlight your text in another window, then move over to AXIS and hit shift-insert
[19:37:20] <jdh> cool. I'll try that again tonight. I never remmber the ctrl-vcwtf
[19:37:41] <cradek> yeah those are windowsisms
[19:38:00] <skunkworks> I grew up on ctrl-insert and shift-insert
[19:38:15] <skunkworks> it is my goto copy/paste
[19:38:23] <jdh> me too
[19:38:37] <jdh> vs. scissors and tape from the tty
[19:38:51] <archivist> yy pp
[19:43:34] <tjtr33> i think i have a modified version of config/sim/axis/core_sim9.hal.
[19:43:47] <tjtr33> mine has an orphan loadrt or2 count=1.
[19:43:48] <tjtr33> i tried to view on github to compare but get a 404
[19:44:07] <tjtr33> and the orphan screws up the wire foam sim
[19:44:23] <tjtr33> i removed the orphan and it works
[19:44:44] <tjtr33> (runs with out errs '...ko file exists '
[19:50:01] <skunkworks> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VAFwNDdoEyM
[19:52:54] <tjtr33> cool someone had done sand plotting back in the day, very artsy http://taomc.com/art/kinetic_sculptures/sisyphus_series.html
[19:53:28] <archivist> but I saw no sand!
[19:54:04] <skunkworks> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jtKy9Vznxps
[19:55:02] <archivist> what I call sand "plotting" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HOMgDbcA84A
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[20:00:26] <tjtr33> archivist, very nice, until she sprinkled some on, i thought it might have been a reactable
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[20:02:03] <archivist> the transformations as she works it are clever
[20:03:16] <tjtr33> i'd pay to see that, shes's great, the quick hand splash of a marching crowd was signs of a lot of experimentaion and creativity
[20:03:17] <glowplug> End is an MDI command that does the same thing as touch-off?
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[20:04:29] <jdh> end is a key on the keyboard
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[20:09:36] <tjtr33> archivist, thanks for posting that
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[20:14:24] <glowplug> Oh. Haha!
[20:14:53] <glowplug> I don't happen to have an end key. But the $ hotkey pretty much solved everything.
[20:15:10] <glowplug> I don't have the robot working yet. But now that I can use touch-off I should be able to get it.
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[20:52:53] <cradek> https://twitter.com/SCOTUSblog/status/349934656281534464/photo/1
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[22:14:57] <jdh> would g61/g64 be able to make inside circles a different size than requested?
[22:15:23] <andypugh> Today I have mainly been making screws: https://plus.google.com/photos/108164504656404380542/albums/5889085582650378897
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[22:20:46] <skunkworks> andypugh: are you cnc'ing it or rebuilding it?
[22:20:50] <skunkworks> (or both_
[22:20:56] <andypugh> Rebuilding first.
[22:21:05] <andypugh> Then I will decide.
[22:21:17] <skunkworks> wow that 'tool post' sure has had a life...
[22:21:21] <andypugh> I want to see if it is a fundamentally good lathe first.
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[22:23:55] <skunkworks> very cool
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[22:33:41] <Nick001-Shop> Is var spot #5220 mapped to a particular function in axis?
[22:35:08] <andypugh> Not in Axis. But in LinuxCNC in general. http://www.linuxcnc.org/docs/html/gcode/overview.html#sec:parameters
[22:35:24] <andypugh> It is the current coordinate system code number.
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[22:59:30] <Nick001-Shop_> Thanks for the info - makes some sence - gotta go again
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[22:59:52] <Nick001-Shop> sense
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