#linuxcnc | Logs for 2013-06-24

[00:00:05] <jdh> all I can do is slow down the spindle or slow down the feed, or just do the same as I was doing for 2 flutes
[00:00:40] <eric_unterhausen> I used to know what to do for about a day and a half
[00:00:46] <Tom_itx> try the same and see how it does
[00:00:48] <eric_unterhausen> I'm not that great of a machinist
[00:01:18] <Tom_itx> 4 flute just tend to load up quicker on aluminum
[00:01:43] <eric_unterhausen> yeah, the aluminum specific ones are 2 flute
[00:01:45] <Tom_itx> some ppl like 3 flute for alum but i still prefer 2
[00:01:47] <eric_unterhausen> and high angle
[00:02:56] <eric_unterhausen> run as fast as possible
[00:03:21] <jdh> I'm barely taking off any metal, just cleaning up the radius from 1/4 to 1/8
[00:03:40] <Tom_itx> don't worry about it then
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[01:35:29] <RyanS> Valen my old man wants to get a manual milling machine (not intending to CNC), did your HM-46 do ok as strictly as a manual machine? I'm thinking fixed choice of gears could be a problem
[01:35:55] <Valen> sorta
[01:36:08] <Valen> to be clear ours was a 45
[01:36:40] <Valen> the gearing wasn't really much of a problem
[01:36:57] <Valen> the lash in the gears was more of an issue in terms of finish
[01:37:01] <RyanS> hm they don't appear to sell the 45
[01:37:07] <RyanS> Any more
[01:37:08] <Valen> probably older
[01:37:53] <RyanS> This ones 1.1kw
[01:38:16] <RyanS> Could you do stainless?
[01:38:56] <Valen> I did cut stainless with it
[01:39:00] <Valen> slowly
[01:39:21] <tjb1> https://www.dropbox.com/s/kwuzrzxhf2form5/2013-06-23%2021.01.22.jpg
[01:39:45] <Valen> some sort of periodic error in it
[01:39:50] <Valen> other than that, neato
[01:40:44] <RyanS> yeah, you have to feed pretty quick on SS?
[01:41:01] <RyanS> work hardening ..
[01:42:01] <Valen> shallow cut depth
[01:42:13] <Valen> but yeah i think most of the problem we had was with the spindle
[01:42:48] <RyanS> what was the issue?
[01:43:07] <Valen> most of it
[01:43:08] <Valen> ;->
[01:44:32] <RyanS> ie, motor not powerful enough, massive runout?
[01:44:46] <Valen> actually the motor power was OK
[01:44:57] <Valen> i guess the thing is you just need to use lots more tools
[01:45:04] <Valen> and the spindle itself would vibrate
[01:46:42] <RyanS> More tools... Isn't a range of tools generally pretty standard for milling ?
[01:47:00] <Valen> I mean CnC you put a 6mm end mill in and make the entire part
[01:47:09] <Valen> manual you will start off with a 90mm fly cutter
[01:47:17] <Valen> then put a 16mm in and do some stuff
[01:47:20] <Valen> then a 12mm
[01:47:23] <Valen> then a 6
[01:47:32] <Valen> then a corner radius cutter
[01:47:50] <RyanS> yeah for sure
[01:48:33] <RyanS> I figure if he wants to get the mill. It can be used to build parts for the cnc :)
[01:50:09] <Valen> it wasn't total crap
[01:50:20] <RyanS> Already have a set of endmills umm, indexable 16mm endmill & facemill, clamp kit
[01:50:33] <Valen> we didn't need to weld bits onto it to make it stronger like people do with X3s
[01:55:16] <RyanS> I suppose at about twice the weight of sx3 and bigger motor, plus $200 cheaper I guess it's got too bad
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[01:56:51] <RyanS> theres a BF20 from titan machinery but I think they are smaller machines
[01:58:07] <RyanS> Did you have to do a lot of stuffing around to tram, clean packing grease, adjust gibs or it was pretty usable out of the box?
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[01:59:54] <Valen> half the gib screws weren't tapped all the way though
[02:02:31] <jdh> does anyone else ever forget to touch-off Z after changing tools, or just me?
[02:03:14] <Valen> not often, its expensive
[02:03:25] <jdh> yeah
[02:03:44] <jdh> for some reason, I never forget in a way that makes it just not cut
[02:04:02] <RyanS> urgh,
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[02:09:10] <Tom_itx> handy to have multiple holders then you can pre set them
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[02:28:52] <jdh> I guess. I don't.
[02:31:04] <Tom_itx> just a rigid spindle?
[02:38:38] <KimK> Tom_itx: Sorry I missed you, I was all over the place. Maybe I can buy you lunch sometime?
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[02:39:43] <Tom_itx> i'll probably swing by tomorrow
[02:39:58] <Tom_itx> i'm supposed to pick up a board Pete left for me
[02:40:25] <Tom_itx> i had to leave early for a trip up to KC
[02:42:26] <KimK> Oh, OK, what board was it? I hope it's still here, a lot of boards went out the door. Was somebody saving it for you?
[02:42:41] <Tom_itx> well i mentioned it to stuart
[02:42:46] <Tom_itx> 7i84
[02:43:02] <Tom_itx> and made arrangements with pete to leave it
[02:43:07] <Tom_itx> but who knows...
[02:43:09] <KimK> I forgot which one that is, SSI of some kiind, right?
[02:43:16] <Tom_itx> yes
[02:43:17] <KimK> s/kiind/kind/
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[02:44:43] <KimK> I see it now, isolated 32 in 16 out GPIO.
[02:44:57] <KimK> Are you using SSI already?
[02:45:14] <Tom_itx> no but i made a bit file for the 7i47 to use it
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[02:47:09] <KimK> OK, great. Maybe I can get a tour of your projects sometime? Did they give you a tour of our projects over here?
[02:47:26] <Tom_itx> stuart showed me around the shop while i was there
[02:47:35] <Tom_itx> pretty cool stuff you got goin on there
[02:48:03] <Tom_itx> i'd never been around EDM so i thought that was cool
[02:48:43] <Tom_itx> about all i've got is the sherline which is less than impressive
[02:49:17] <Tom_itx> all the conversion i've done for the most part is online
[02:49:37] <KimK> Ha, yes, did he show you the "drilled and tapped" ball bearing? ("Because we can.", lol)
[02:49:51] <Tom_itx> yep
[02:49:58] <KimK> That's a good one.
[02:50:37] <KimK> Hey, there's nothing wrong with a Sherline, it is what it is.
[02:51:31] <KimK> Everything has advantages and disadvantages. The Sherline fits in your house, lol!
[02:51:46] <tjb1> Tom_itx: https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/1013080_10201018537441605_450226344_n.jpg
[02:51:58] <Tom_itx> well i just use it for testing stuff mostly
[02:52:25] <KimK> Oh, cool, it's four-axis?
[02:52:32] <Tom_itx> i wish
[02:52:43] <Tom_itx> some day i hope to make / acquire a rotary
[02:52:48] <KimK> Well, good job on the owl, anyway.
[02:53:19] <Tom_itx> tjb1, looks pretty good
[02:53:46] <tjb1> The ears had problems from too much residual heat
[02:53:53] <KimK> Ah, sorry, I wasn't paying attention, hi tjb1
[02:54:00] <tjb1> Hello KimK
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[02:54:36] <KimK> tjb1: So *you* have the rotary?
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[02:54:44] <CaptHindsight> Tom_itx: did you say you had a tour of Stuarts shop Friday am?
[02:54:52] <tjb1> KimK: rotary?
[02:54:58] <KimK> Hi Sam, welcome home?
[02:55:11] <skunkworks> Hey!!
[02:55:38] <Tom_itx> CaptHindsight, yes
[02:55:40] <KimK> skunkworks: That was fast, if you're back home already.
[02:56:05] <CaptHindsight> Tom_itx: I was on the same tour :)
[02:56:34] <CaptHindsight> skunkworks: did you guys drive home already?
[02:57:00] <KimK> tjb1: Sorry, it looked like you might have done the owl with a rotary. If not, that's even better, lol.
[02:57:05] <CaptHindsight> <--- flight delayed 3+ hours on the way back yesterday
[02:57:08] <skunkworks> yes - left at about 8:00 and make it home by 6:00
[02:57:21] <KimK> skunkworks: Nice!
[02:57:32] <tjb1> KimK: https://www.dropbox.com/s/otpbuowtqj0np30/2013-06-09%2023.08.03.jpg
[02:58:17] <Tom_itx> KimK, are you working on any retrofits atm?
[02:59:02] <KimK> Tom_itx: Ha, yes, I'm working on a bunch of them and none of them, lol!
[02:59:39] <CaptHindsight> anyone ever use http://www.tenryu.com/pra.html for cutting aluminum extrusions?
[03:00:39] <Tom_itx> is that a chopsaw or what?
[03:00:48] <CaptHindsight> 12" miter
[03:01:07] <Tom_itx> a guy here used a regular circular saw with a fine tooth blade to cut brass bar just fine
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[03:02:17] <jdh> I use a regular carbide tipped saw blade on my chopsaw for aluminum
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[03:03:13] <tjb1> CaptHindsight: this works good - http://www.dewalt.com/tools/metalworking-multi-cutter-saws-dw872.aspx
[03:03:24] <tjb1> works good even in steel
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[03:03:43] <skunkworks> KimK: thinks again for the burgers!
[03:04:04] <Tom_itx> aww
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[03:04:10] <Tom_itx> i missed burgers !
[03:04:31] <CaptHindsight> I noticed that the t-slot disti near me gets clean cuts with no secondary machining
[03:04:49] <tjb1> I can do that with that dewalt
[03:04:50] <KimK> skunkworks: Sure, glad you liked them! I'll look forward to our next meal, wherever it is.
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[03:05:48] <KimK> Tom_itx: Ha, I'll be happy to correct the burger oversight at your convenience, lol.
[03:06:29] <Tom_itx> the one up the street?
[03:06:37] <Tom_itx> walts or ... i forget the other one
[03:06:57] <KimK> Tom_itx: And you didn't miss anything in that there wasn't a burger event. It was just Sam Jr., Sam Sr., and I.
[03:07:09] <eric_unterhausen> trying to get my boss to retrofit a horrible commercial control with linuxcnc
[03:07:25] <CaptHindsight> tjb1: do you use the hold downs as they are or did you beef them up?
[03:07:27] <KimK> Tom_itx: No, it was Bionic on Pawnee and Meridian.
[03:07:41] <Tom_itx> yeah those are just as good
[03:07:55] <tjb1> CaptHindsight: just use the vise it came with, watch cutting small dowel though…it now has 1 broken tooth
[03:08:48] <KimK> eric_unterhausen: Let me know if I can help, Stuart would be glad to show him around or talk to him by phone if it would help. And there are some of Stuart's videos available on YouTube.
[03:09:46] <Tom_itx> he seems quite knowledgeable on linuxcnc
[03:10:22] <KimK> Yes, he is quite the proponent of it, and for a lot of good reasons.
[03:11:14] <eric_unterhausen> KimK, sent him one of Stuart's vids, didn't really help
[03:11:43] <eric_unterhausen> I think he would rather have a broken system than spend $500 on it
[03:11:59] <Tom_itx> is it the down time that bugs him?
[03:12:16] <eric_unterhausen> we haven't been using it
[03:12:39] <Tom_itx> have you come up with a retrofit plan/budget?
[03:12:42] <Tom_itx> to present him
[03:12:57] <eric_unterhausen> tried to use it last week and found out that it was broken worse than we thought
[03:13:09] <skunkworks> Tom_itx: boy - did I miss you? or do I just have brain fade>
[03:13:11] <eric_unterhausen> it's just that the control is so inflexible that it's a pain to fix
[03:13:44] <eric_unterhausen> the main problem is that it has a flaky encoder
[03:13:45] <Tom_itx> skunkworks, hard to say... i'm not good with remembering names much until i get to know someone either
[03:13:53] <KimK> Ah, so he views it as spending money on something that is not needed? Maybe you should find out how many jobs they are passing on since their machine doesn't work? That's money "floating by" that he's not "grabbing".
[03:13:56] <skunkworks> heh
[03:14:04] <skunkworks> I resemble that remeark
[03:14:08] <Tom_itx> i had to leave early anyway
[03:14:13] <CaptHindsight> http://www.brobousa.com/metalcuttingcoldsaws/aluminumcuttingsaw.html
[03:14:20] <eric_unterhausen> we are trying to figure out how to get jobs at all given our academic environment
[03:14:42] <CaptHindsight> I like the hold downs that drop
[03:15:29] <KimK> eric_unterhausen: What is the machine? Would they consider selling it on eBay/Craigslist/etc if it worked? If it didn't?
[03:15:59] <eric_unterhausen> it isn't ours
[03:16:10] <KimK> Ah, there's the rub.
[03:16:14] <eric_unterhausen> ya
[03:16:33] <KimK> Maybe he should offer to buy it first?
[03:16:38] <Tom_itx> is that part of the holdup on retrofitting it?
[03:16:43] <eric_unterhausen> he already sold it :)
[03:16:54] <eric_unterhausen> the person didn't take delivery
[03:16:59] <KimK> Ah, then you need to talk to the new owners?
[03:17:10] <KimK> Oh, I see.
[03:17:11] <eric_unterhausen> we do that a lot anyway
[03:17:18] <eric_unterhausen> friends
[03:18:34] <eric_unterhausen> I figured it was worth the minor investement to make it work much better
[03:19:40] <KimK> OK, well, let me know if there's anything I can do to help you. Where are you located (approx)?
[03:19:52] <eric_unterhausen> Pennsylvania
[03:20:22] <KimK> OK. I'll help you if I can.
[03:20:58] <Tom_itx> i considered it worth it to invest in mesa / gecko stuff to make a huge improvement on my meager sherline
[03:21:48] <KimK> Sure, did you get to see the little South Bend Magnaturns while you were here?
[03:22:03] <Tom_itx> i mostly do it to learn about the hardware / software nowdays
[03:22:13] <Tom_itx> no i missed the lathe
[03:22:29] <Tom_itx> i saw the rigid tapping demo
[03:22:34] <eric_unterhausen> I need to get my mill running, then he probably wouldn't have as much hesitation
[03:22:52] <Tom_itx> you now have a goal
[03:23:17] <eric_unterhausen> yeah, but if we don't get any work to replace the money I spend on the retrofit, it comes out of my pocket :)
[03:23:19] <KimK> Tom_itx: Yes, learning is always good. And maybe there will be pictures of the Magnaturns eventually.
[03:24:05] <Tom_itx> eric_unterhausen, you must believe in what you do then
[03:24:14] <Tom_itx> is it worth the risk?
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[03:24:33] <eric_unterhausen> not much money
[03:25:08] <KimK> eric_unterhausen: If that's the deal, ask him if you can run side jobs until you recover your money. Then, when you've recovered your money, ask him if you can keep running side jobs for a split of the money. Pretty soon you'll have a machine shop of your own!
[03:25:53] <Tom_itx> that's how my buddy started
[03:26:12] <eric_unterhausen> we are in the business of doing research
[03:26:31] <eric_unterhausen> I have thought of starting a shop though
[03:29:29] <KimK> Sure, it sounds like a good idea. It's all in what kind of jobs you can get, how profitable they are, I mean. It's good to have a plan, and some starting customers with jobs they want done.
[03:33:48] <KimK> Oh the other hand, if you can keep selling the machine to people to never come to pick it up, that sounds like a moneymaking idea too! "...(17) If the machine is not picked up within thirty days of this sale, the machine returns to the sellers, and the sellers keep any money the buyers have paid."...
[03:34:06] <KimK> s/to people to/to people who/
[03:35:01] <KimK> Keep chatting, I'll be back in a bit.
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[04:26:31] <RyanS> We purchased a quick change tool post with 14mm clamp - we have 16mm tools. oops looks like some tool grinding is in store
[04:29:53] <CaptHindsight> no tool shrinker?
[04:31:32] <RyanS> Would be a handy invention. Only a cheap set of tools luckily
[04:32:31] <CaptHindsight> http://www.harborfreight.com/metal-shrinkerstretcher-set-68897.html to good to be true :)
[04:33:49] <RyanS> That wouldn't do too good with a hardened steel tool shank
[04:34:21] <CaptHindsight> I always though that those sheet metal tools were misleading
[04:40:51] <RyanS> Not my tools but dads http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb176/Mingzhus/lathetools_zps9194c13c.jpg the only ones I can identify is second last which is a internal(?) 60° threading tool
[04:41:14] <RyanS> Number four is also threadinh probably 60°
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[09:26:43] <Loetmichel> mornin'
[09:27:03] <micges> ahoy
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[11:33:13] <RyanS> are hss lathe tools always supplied as blanks?
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[11:36:52] <archivist_herron> usually
[11:39:58] <Tom_itx> unless you get carbide tipped ones
[11:43:09] <RyanS> And you can mount them directly into the tool post or http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/3-8-Lathe-Turning-Tool-Holder-Includes-3-8-HSS-Tool-Bit-/111015460406?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_15&hash=item19d9097e36 is required?
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[12:01:08] <jthornton> wow, tools from the 30's
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[12:07:59] <archivist_herron> the crafty aspect of that style holder is the top angle is set by the holder so user did not need to grind that face
[12:08:39] <archivist_herron> but they over hang
[12:09:21] <RyanS> hmm it seems like nobody bothers to grind their own tools now..
[12:10:23] <jthornton> it's not economical to hand grind tools any more, unless your just doing turning for a hobby
[12:10:39] <archivist_herron> I grind my specials
[12:12:16] <jthornton> I thought everything you did was special and unique :) and quite nice too
[12:13:47] <RyanS> So they don't use hss in industry at all'?
[12:14:29] <jthornton> not for a long time
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[12:16:30] <RyanS> But Carbide has disadvantages, it's more brittle
[12:18:51] <archivist_herron> as I always say use the right tool for the job
[12:19:07] <archivist_herron> and define industry :)
[12:20:31] <archivist_herron> jthornton, I think hss is still used on some sliding head stuff
[12:20:37] <Tecan> http://i.imgur.com/7OJ2Pd1.jpg
[12:22:49] <RyanS> Not a hobby is industry, for business, for-profit
[12:24:32] <archivist_herron> if I use hss to make something for profit then yes it is still in use
[12:25:01] <jthornton> archivist_herron, what is a sliding head?
[12:25:07] <archivist_herron> but 1 job this year in total is ......rubbish
[12:25:43] <jthornton> do you mean a swiss type of lathe?
[12:25:48] <archivist_herron> yes
[12:26:29] <archivist_herron> swiss is not a term I like as that would encompass non sliding head too
[12:27:17] <RyanS> our tool set is weird I haven't seen anything like it in any catalogue http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb176/Mingzhus/lathetools_zps9194c13c.jpg
[12:27:38] <RyanS> The only I recognise is threading and internal threading
[12:28:01] <RyanS> The first one looks like it's assembled incorrect
[12:28:06] <archivist_herron> hss is used where form grinding is simple
[12:29:09] <RyanS> n3 and n7 look almost identical
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[13:35:18] <IchGuckLive> hi all B)
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[13:35:59] <IchGuckLive> question is there a BOB for the IN configuration available with optos for the Databits towards the PC
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[15:38:15] <Tecan> would linuxemc work in vmware ?
[15:38:25] <jdh> in sim mode
[15:38:36] <Tecan> why not just for testing things slow ?
[15:39:06] <jdh> I've run it in VirtualBox(tm)
[15:39:25] <Tecan> moving motors too ?
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[15:45:19] <CaptHindsight> it runs in Virtualbox, but latency jitter is in the millions of nS
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[15:49:00] <jdh> only sim mode
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[15:50:46] <Tecan> i hate computer fan noise
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[15:50:57] <Tecan> need water cooled
[15:51:02] <DJ9DJ> just cut the wires of the fan ;)
[15:51:13] <Tecan> im down to just 2 fans as it is
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[15:51:14] <jdh> my gpu fan started making noise last night
[15:52:07] <Tecan> i should setup a dummy terminal and put it in another room
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[16:03:27] <CaptHindsight> just spread the heat over a wider area and you won't need water or forced convection
[16:04:20] <archivist> heat pipes
[16:04:28] * DJ9DJ has watercooling for some years now and i do not want to miss it... nearly no noise :)
[16:04:46] <DJ9DJ> and much cooler components than with normal fans
[16:04:52] <CaptHindsight> but you might be unhappy with the size and cost of the heat spreader
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[16:07:57] <CaptHindsight> DJ9DJ: what do you use for the heat exchanger outside the case?
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[16:43:14] <Nick001-Shop> Could someone look at this dmesg and see whats wrong? http://pastebin.com/KrR1xkGF It ran fine yesterday and this is what I got starting it today. Initially the time and date were wrong in bios but I corrected it and still got this.
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[16:47:52] <jdh> looks like the parallel port wasn't found?
[16:48:35] <archivist> parallel port is on an odd address
[16:49:31] <archivist> but battery and bios settings would be suspect if the clock failed
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[16:50:36] <jdh> looks like an add-on dual pci p-port was seen, but the config is looking at 0x378
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[16:51:24] <archivist> is the on board port disabled
[16:51:28] <DJ9DJ> hi andy1978
[16:51:50] <andy1978> Hey DJ9DJ
[16:51:55] <DJ9DJ> :)
[16:52:13] <andy1978> deja vu
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[16:52:31] <IchGuckLive> hi all B)
[16:52:59] <DJ9DJ> hi live-gucker
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[16:53:07] <DJ9DJ> andy1978, indeed :D
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[17:16:48] <tjtr33> hello, thanks to the MPM crew for hosting the fest and thanks to all the guys who showed up. it was a helluva week.
[17:16:48] <tjtr33> Thx to Tormach also, between them and MPM i gained at least 5lbs! :)
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[17:45:50] <IchGuckLive> hi today on the 3rd plasam mashine i checked the htop value of the pc internals and discoverd that the 2Ghz is always at the max while the 3.2 is at 80% shoudt i upgrade or is it ok to go houres on the max of the pc
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[17:54:42] <IchGuckLive> im off by
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[18:00:39] <Jymmm> You guys use FF still?
[18:04:54] <andypugh> Feed Forward?
[18:05:19] <archivist> formfeed
[18:06:16] <andypugh> Maybe he is talking about Quasar motorcycles?
[18:07:07] <archivist> often it takes us a week to find out
[18:16:12] <andypugh> Right, sleep beckons.
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[18:22:44] <Nick001-Shop> Found it - bios battery went bad - been a long time since one went on me so I didn't recognized it right away - replaced it and program came up at least, have to see how the rest works but should be OK. Thanks for looking.
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[19:15:19] <Tom_itx> logger[mah]
[19:15:19] <logger[mah]> Tom_itx: Log stored at http://linuxcnc.mah.priv.at/irc/%23linuxcnc/2013-06-24.html
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[20:03:49] <tjb1> Can anyone recommend a good quality atx motherboard that supports intel haswell and nvidia gpu?
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[20:58:25] <dosas> hello i know how to connect halpins in pyvcp
[20:58:36] <dosas> but is it possible to set a parameter with pyvcp
[20:58:42] <dosas> so to speak setp
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[21:08:46] <Jymmm> Twinkies are back!!! http://www.upi.com/Business_News/2013/06/24/Twinkies-to-return-to-stores-mid-July/UPI-65411372096593/
[21:10:02] <dosas> nice but is it possible to do setp via pyvcp
[21:16:48] <Aero-Tec2> any hal file guys here?
[21:17:12] <Aero-Tec2> need a lesson in hal files
[21:17:28] <Aero-Tec2> loadrt debounce cfg=3
[21:18:04] <Aero-Tec2> that means load 3 running instances of debounce
[21:18:07] <Aero-Tec2> right?
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[21:18:21] <micges> dosas: why do you need setp?
[21:18:32] <dosas> i want to tune a pid
[21:18:38] <Aero-Tec2> so why does addf debounce.1 base-thread fail?
[21:18:40] <dosas> i would like to do it while running
[21:18:55] <cradek> Aero-Tec2: the best place to look is http://linuxcnc.org/docs/html/
[21:19:00] <cradek> click on debounce.9
[21:19:13] <Aero-Tec2> I have
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[21:20:23] <Aero-Tec2> loadrt debounce cfg=size[,size,...]
[21:20:23] <Aero-Tec2> Creates filter groups each with the given number of filters (size). Each filter group has the same sample rate and delay.
[21:20:41] <Aero-Tec2> so what does that mean?
[21:20:59] <Aero-Tec2> number of filters (size)
[21:21:06] <dosas> so if you have 3 modules
[21:21:11] <dosas> 9 > 3?
[21:21:19] <Aero-Tec2> I would guess there are 3 filters
[21:21:28] <dosas> or is it debounce.3.9
[21:21:51] <micges> dosas: debounce.9 is help page
[21:21:57] <dosas> kk
[21:21:59] <dosas> sorry
[21:22:21] <dosas> i always use man
[21:22:37] <Aero-Tec2> are they all under debounce.0?
[21:22:50] <Aero-Tec2> so debounce.0.1
[21:24:11] <micges> dosas: for tuning there is calibration program in Axis: menu machine->calibration
[21:24:48] <Aero-Tec2> the help pages may help if you know how it all works, but for a nube it is not that much help at all, give some vague ideas and such but nothing of much real value
[21:25:30] <Aero-Tec2> loadrt debounce cfg=3
[21:25:42] <micges> Aero-Tec2: loadrt debounce cfg=8,8,8,8
[21:25:43] <micges> addf debounce.0 servo-thread
[21:25:50] <Aero-Tec2> can anyone explain what this means?
[21:25:53] <micges> addf debounce.1 servo-thread and so on
[21:26:48] <Aero-Tec2> addf debounce.1 base-thread that is exactly what I have in the file and it made a error
[21:27:06] <micges> and you have debounce.0.0.in up to debounce.0.7.in
[21:27:08] <Aero-Tec2> so it should be servo thread?
[21:27:20] <micges> what error do you have?
[21:27:57] <Aero-Tec2> HAL: ERROR: function 'debounce.1' not found
[21:27:57] <Aero-Tec2> test-old-lathe.hal:34: addf failed
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[21:27:59] <dosas> i tried loading it in halrun
[21:28:05] <dosas> i have no permission
[21:28:34] <Aero-Tec2> loadrt debounce cfg=8,8,8,8
[21:28:53] <dosas> Aero-Tec2: use halrun and check if you ahve permission
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[21:29:39] <Aero-Tec2> what does that mean and how does it different from loadrt debounce cfg=3?
[21:29:47] <micges> dosas: it is userspace program
[21:30:03] <dosas> okay
[21:30:07] <Aero-Tec2> permission for what?
[21:30:12] <dosas> no no
[21:30:20] <DJ9DJ> gn8
[21:30:21] <dosas> wrong idea
[21:30:28] <Aero-Tec2> the same hal files works good with out my edits
[21:30:59] <micges> Aero-Tec2: hal numbers are always count from 0
[21:31:06] <Aero-Tec2> addf debounce.0 base-thread
[21:31:15] <Aero-Tec2> this is the line before
[21:31:25] <Aero-Tec2> and it did not error
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[21:32:22] <Aero-Tec2> would someone here be willing to look over my hal file and tweak or fix it?
[21:32:45] <dosas> i would but i'm new here too and probably no big help
[21:32:50] <micges> loadrt debounce cfg=3,4 means load TWO instances of debounce, first with 3 channels, second with four channels
[21:33:11] <Aero-Tec2> cool
[21:33:21] <micges> loadrt debounce cfg=3 means load one instance of debounce
[21:33:25] <Aero-Tec2> ok so now I know why the error
[21:33:34] <dosas> :D
[21:33:45] <Aero-Tec2> seeing as it is the same encoder
[21:34:03] <Aero-Tec2> and I an using only 1 channel right now
[21:34:17] <dosas> no 3
[21:34:20] <dosas> but one instance
[21:34:29] <Aero-Tec2> how do I get to channel 1, seeing as channel 0 is in use
[21:35:23] <micges> Aero-Tec2: run halrun
[21:35:43] <Aero-Tec2> ok, how?
[21:35:53] <Aero-Tec2> never even heard of it till now
[21:35:55] <dosas> open terminal type halrun
[21:35:59] <dosas> it is great
[21:36:14] <dosas> you can use tab to autocomplete
[21:36:20] <Aero-Tec2> do I need to be in a dir when I run it?
[21:36:25] <dosas> but could have problem with permissions
[21:36:28] <dosas> i had them
[21:36:31] <dosas> no
[21:36:34] <dosas> just open terminal
[21:36:57] <Aero-Tec2> I have several hals, how would it know what one?
[21:37:18] <micges> no important now
[21:37:27] <dosas> ?
[21:37:55] <dosas> micges: can you loadrt debounce in halrun?
[21:37:57] <dosas> i can't
[21:38:04] <Aero-Tec2> so halrun path/hal_file_name
[21:38:10] <dosas> no
[21:38:12] <dosas> jsut
[21:38:14] <dosas> halrun
[21:38:27] <Aero-Tec2> ok
[21:38:39] <micges> dosas: I've no idea why you can;t
[21:38:44] <dosas> me neither
[21:38:52] <dosas> let's hope aero-tec2 can
[21:39:01] <dosas> then type first letters
[21:39:04] <micges> Aero-Tec2: loadrt debounce cfg=3
[21:39:08] <dosas> and try the autocompletion with tab
[21:39:12] <micges> Aero-Tec2: show all
[21:39:20] <dosas> if you want
[21:40:25] <tjtr33> http://pastebin.com/mNabTu2w
[21:40:36] <dosas> turns out if i use it right i can too
[21:41:04] <dosas> Aero-Tec2: if you use addf debou and tab
[21:41:12] <dosas> it shows you that only .0 is possible
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[21:43:44] <dosas> okay so nothing new on the setp front
[21:43:47] <dosas> bye bye
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[21:45:39] <Aero-Tec2> ok
[21:45:42] <Aero-Tec2> that was cool
[21:45:54] <Aero-Tec2> was of some help as well
[21:46:31] <Aero-Tec2> debounce.0.1 is what I need to use
[21:47:06] <Aero-Tec2> and seeing as debounce.0 has a clock I do not need to have anything else there I would guess
[21:48:02] <Aero-Tec2> will rem out debounce.1 that is errorring
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[21:50:56] <Aero-Tec2> will see if it is fixed now
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[21:56:32] <Aero-Tec2> errored the first attempt to load
[21:56:37] <Aero-Tec2> but did load
[21:57:08] <Aero-Tec2> thing is now the RPMs are 1/20th what they should be
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[21:58:36] <Aero-Tec2> would guess this is why
[21:58:38] <Aero-Tec2> setp encoder.0.position-scale 20.00000
[21:58:38] <Aero-Tec2> setp encoder.0.counter-mode 1
[21:58:50] <Aero-Tec2> scale was 1
[21:59:39] <tjtr33> damn computers always do what i tell 'em instead of what i mean ;)
[21:59:42] <Aero-Tec2> so should RMPS be driven be index or by channel A of the encoder
[21:59:50] <Aero-Tec2> LOL
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[22:00:02] <Aero-Tec2> old computer programmers joke
[22:00:51] <Aero-Tec2> know it well, and have fallen victim to it many a times
[22:01:15] <Aero-Tec2> my bug in a program would be such a thing
[22:01:38] <tjtr33> i think index ( once per rev instead of A which is umpteen per rev ) i think you got it
[22:02:02] <Aero-Tec2> so what is channel A used for?
[22:02:12] <Aero-Tec2> how do you set it up the right way?
[22:02:27] <tjtr33> along with B to find the angular position inside 1 rev
[22:02:29] <Aero-Tec2> I was following the sample hal
[22:03:50] <Aero-Tec2> http://www.linuxcnc.org/docs/html/examples/spindle.html
[22:04:05] <Aero-Tec2> 6. Spindle Feedback
[22:04:05] <Aero-Tec2> 6.1. Spindle Synchronized Motion
[22:04:05] <Aero-Tec2> Spindle feedback is needed by LinuxCNC to perform any spindle coordinated motions like threading and constant surface speed. The StepConf Wizard can perform the connections for you if you select Encoder Phase A and Encoder Index as inputs.
[22:04:05] <Aero-Tec2> Hardware assumptions:
[22:04:06] <Aero-Tec2> An encoder is connected to the spindle and puts out 100 pulses per revolution on phase A
[22:04:08] <Aero-Tec2> The encoder A phase is connected to the parallel port pin 10
[22:04:10] <Aero-Tec2> The encoder index pulse is connected to the parallel port pin 11
[22:04:12] <Aero-Tec2> Basic Steps to add the components and configure them: [1] [2] [3]
[22:04:14] <Aero-Tec2> # add the encoder to HAL and attach it to threads.
[22:04:16] <Aero-Tec2> loadrt encoder num_chan=1
[22:04:18] <Aero-Tec2> addf encoder.update-counters base-thread
[22:04:20] <Aero-Tec2> addf encoder.capture-position servo-thread
[22:04:22] <Aero-Tec2> # set the HAL encoder to 100 pulses per revolution.
[22:04:24] <Aero-Tec2> setp encoder.3.position-scale 100
[22:04:26] <Aero-Tec2> # set the HAL encoder to non-quadrature simple counting using A only.
[22:04:28] <Aero-Tec2> setp encoder.3.counter-mode true
[22:04:30] <Aero-Tec2> # connect the HAL encoder outputs to LinuxCNC.
[22:04:32] <Aero-Tec2> net spindle-position encoder.3.position => motion.spindle-revs
[22:04:36] <Aero-Tec2> net spindle-velocity encoder.3.velocity => motion.spindle-speed-in
[22:04:38] <Aero-Tec2> net spindle-index-enable encoder.3.index-enable <=> motion.spindle-index-enable
[22:04:40] <Aero-Tec2> # connect the HAL encoder inputs to the real encoder.
[22:04:42] <Aero-Tec2> net spindle-phase-a encoder.3.phase-A <= parport.0.pin-10-in
[22:04:44] <Aero-Tec2> net spindle-phase-b encoder.3.phase-B
[22:04:46] <Aero-Tec2> net spindle-index encoder.3.phase-Z <= parport.0.pin-11-in
[22:04:48] <Connor> dude, pastbin please!!
[22:04:48] <Aero-Tec2> my scale was 20 not 100
[22:04:50] <Aero-Tec2> encoder 0 not 3
[22:05:36] <Aero-Tec2> sorry
[22:07:04] <Aero-Tec2> by the look of it I should be doing RPMs from A channel and the index is just a starting point for threading
[22:07:09] <Aero-Tec2> is that correct?
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[22:08:04] <Aero-Tec2> I some how have to move RPM from index channel 0 to channel 1
[22:08:06] <tjtr33> yes please pastebin large stuff, only single line(s) here
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[22:08:09] <Tom_itx> are you gonna post your whole hal file here?
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[22:08:23] <Aero-Tec2> no
[22:08:30] <Aero-Tec2> that was not my hal file
[22:08:41] <Aero-Tec2> just the sample from the web site
[22:08:58] <Aero-Tec2> I was using that for a temp plate
[22:09:34] <Aero-Tec2> wanting to understand EMC and how to set up HAL for threading
[22:10:02] <Aero-Tec2> I have to use debounce for my lather to work right
[22:10:18] <Aero-Tec2> so mine is not the exact of the sample
[22:11:27] <tjb1> anyone here a custom computer guru
[22:11:51] <Aero-Tec2> also the HAL I started from was one I was using on my lathe, it was using just 1 index PPR
[22:12:01] <Aero-Tec2> I may be able to help
[22:12:20] <Aero-Tec2> I made custom computers at one time
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[22:12:39] <tjb1> I need help selecting a motherboard for 4th gen intel
[22:12:42] <tjb1> atx
[22:12:46] <Aero-Tec2> I am a little dated as it was awhile ago
[22:13:00] <Aero-Tec2> where do you live?
[22:13:02] <tjb1> http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=100007627%20600438203&IsNodeId=1&name=4th-generation%20Core%20i5%2c%20i7%20%28LGA1150%29
[22:13:05] <tjb1> NY, USA
[22:13:24] <Aero-Tec2> tiger direct is a good place to get info and parts
[22:14:32] <tjb1> Well there is like 84 different ones at that link that go from $65 to $440
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[22:16:23] <Aero-Tec2> what are you wanting it for?
[22:16:29] <Aero-Tec2> run EMC?
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[22:16:50] <tjb1> CAD/gaming
[22:20:10] <JT-Shop> http://imagebin.org/262399
[22:21:07] <Aero-Tec2> if your doing some real gaming or any real cad work then do not cheap out
[22:21:24] <Aero-Tec2> you get what you pay for in most cases
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[22:22:31] <Aero-Tec2> you need some power and great graphics card with a good MB to make sure there is no bottle necks in the system
[22:23:34] <tjb1> 850w psu and nvidia 770
[22:23:38] <Aero-Tec2> I like brand name MBs with good rep
[22:23:57] <tjb1> Was looking at this http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131979
[22:25:10] <Aero-Tec2> http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/category/category_tlc.asp?CatId=31&name=Barebone-Kits&cm_sp=Masthead-_-Computer%20Parts-_-Spot%2002
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[22:25:36] <Aero-Tec2> they have bare bones kits
[22:25:48] <Aero-Tec2> and you save with the bundles
[22:26:07] <Aero-Tec2> JT-Shop, looks cool, with is it?
[22:28:21] <Aero-Tec2> looks like it may possibly be for a motor bike, but it looks more like it is for something special like some equipment more so then a bike
[22:29:34] <Aero-Tec2> tjb1, is my link of any help to you?
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[22:29:43] <tjb1> Not at this time :P
[22:29:55] <tjb1> I already ordered a SSD, psu, and case
[22:39:13] <Aero-Tec2> they recommend CPU and graphic card and some memory
[22:39:39] <Aero-Tec2> you will need a CPU cooling system as well
[22:40:04] <Aero-Tec2> that can run into some money as well if you get a good one
[22:40:44] <tjb1> going for air cooling atm
[22:42:03] <Aero-Tec2> just remember to order it with the CPU
[22:42:15] <Aero-Tec2> lots have forgotten to
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[22:50:21] <Aero-Tec2> does EMC have a auto backup where if phase A of encoder is missing it will use index input for spindle RPM?
[22:51:32] <tjb1> Aero-Tec2: the cpu comes with a fan
[22:51:50] <Aero-Tec2> good
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[22:57:05] <Aero-Tec2> there was a time when they did not
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[23:06:08] <Aero-Tec2> net spindle-velocity encoder.0.velocity lowpass.0.in
[23:06:29] <Aero-Tec2> need some help understanding this
[23:06:58] <Aero-Tec2> spindle-velocity seems to be a name the hal writer made up
[23:08:07] <Aero-Tec2> encoder.0.velocity I understand but am not sure if there is any in out or how it relates to spindle-velocity
[23:09:00] <Aero-Tec2> lowpass.0.in looks like it is taking a input
[23:10:32] <Aero-Tec2> is the input into lowpass.0.in the output from encoder.0.velocity and is spindle-velocity just giving encoder.0.velocity a name?
[23:10:42] <Aero-Tec2> would love some help here
[23:11:03] <Aero-Tec2> JT-Shop, can you lend some help?
[23:12:45] <tjb1> sorry Aero-Tec2, I would help but I would just cause more problem
[23:13:09] <tjb1> Althought these questions do sound very similar to the ones I asked
[23:13:12] <tjb1> *Although
[23:13:40] <Aero-Tec2> JT-Shop, BTW is your little girl still with you or has she gone back home?
[23:14:07] <Aero-Tec2> did you save any info or posts?
[23:14:28] <Aero-Tec2> I maybe able to learn from your questions
[23:15:30] <Aero-Tec2> skunkworks, are you around? could you lend a hand in helping me?
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[23:19:58] <tjb1> Aero-Tec2: No, I used it as I went
[23:20:29] <Aero-Tec2> ok
[23:20:31] <Aero-Tec2> thanks
[23:24:50] <Aero-Tec2> ok, looks like loadrt loads a module
[23:25:52] <Aero-Tec2> addf defines functions and ties them to a timing thread
[23:27:10] <Aero-Tec2> net defines connections like wires in a circuit, creating and naming them if needed
[23:28:31] <Aero-Tec2> setp is setting parameters for each module
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[23:32:28] <Aero-Tec2> is spindle a user term/name or is it part of some module or workings of EMC?
[23:32:59] <Aero-Tec2> it is not loaded so it is not a user loaded module
[23:33:16] <Aero-Tec2> could use some help here understanding this more
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[23:59:32] <gene78> advice plz? I have added a wcomp module, driven from the scaled to rpm output of the encoder, then set a min at 100, and a max at 750