#linuxcnc | Logs for 2013-06-23

[00:00:06] <pfred1> try it with something else first just to see if you like it
[00:00:12] <Jymmm> lol
[00:00:15] <pfred1> viunegar is like cheaper than water though
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[00:00:27] <pfred1> if you buy the cheap stuff by the gallon
[00:00:32] <Jymmm> Cheap is not what I'm going for
[00:00:53] <Tom_itx> if ever
[00:00:59] <pfred1> well I've done electrlytic rust removal and that is cool but vinegar is good too
[00:01:06] <pfred1> easier
[00:01:08] <Jymmm> I'll have to FULLY disasemble it. I only want to do this once.
[00:01:26] <pfred1> yeah when you're done rinse with water dry and oil immediately
[00:02:10] <pfred1> but like I said the vinegar will turn stuff into this black slime
[00:02:14] <Jymmm> Well, rinse with water, immerse in alcohol, then oil
[00:02:30] <pfred1> that wipes off pretty easily
[00:02:49] <Jymmm> and dried out grease?
[00:03:00] <pfred1> I don't know I'd use a solvent on that first
[00:03:15] <Tom_itx> you might wanna use some naptha first for the grease
[00:03:17] <pfred1> gasoline
[00:03:28] <pfred1> usually the cheapest thing
[00:03:30] <Jymmm> Maybe I just need to find a hot dip tank instead. FAR easier and more effective.
[00:03:33] <Jymmm> it sound like.
[00:03:41] <pfred1> maybe
[00:03:45] <Tom_itx> automotive dip tank?
[00:03:46] <Jymmm> and I wont have to dissable it
[00:03:54] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: yeah, but heated
[00:04:04] <Tom_itx> might be a bit harsh on the metal if it's new chems
[00:04:06] <pfred1> I put my vinegar tub out in the sun
[00:04:21] <pfred1> heats it up
[00:04:23] <Tom_itx> i've seen what it does to a beer can
[00:04:26] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: you think so?
[00:04:31] <Tom_itx> leaves the label in tact
[00:04:48] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: this is steel, not aluminum
[00:04:49] <pfred1> well guns aren't aluminum
[00:04:53] <Tom_itx> i'm not entirely sure i'd do it
[00:04:59] <pfred1> vinegar will eat magnesium
[00:05:15] <pfred1> least it bubbles and foams
[00:05:27] <pfred1> that is how you test if something is magnesium
[00:05:34] <pfred1> put vinegar on it if it foams it is magnesium
[00:07:20] <pfred1> this is a picture of me doing a saw blade and a knife in vinegar http://i.imgur.com/oAUodS2.jpg
[00:07:48] <pfred1> lifted that rust right off
[00:09:19] <pfred1> nat a half bad bug killer either
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[00:17:16] <Jymmm> pfred1: good idea ont ehbug killer, so is borax soap
[00:17:49] <pfred1> borax is a detergent booster but it isn't soap
[00:18:42] <Jymmm> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Borax
[00:19:00] <pfred1> I know what borax is I go through boxes of the stuff
[00:19:27] <pfred1> by itself it does jack
[00:20:10] <pfred1> thy usually won't even sell it next to soap so people won't get confused
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[00:23:00] <pfred1> well by itself borax isn't a bad brazing flux
[00:23:16] <pfred1> but that isn't what most folks buying it at a store want to do
[00:24:03] <Tom_itx> i think i have some sold as silver solder flux
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[00:24:39] <pfred1> I think when it is sold as flux it is ground up finer
[00:25:03] <Tom_itx> probably
[00:25:13] <pfred1> supermarket borax does seem a bit coarser to me
[00:26:37] <pfred1> I use it and gel soap to wash my hands i love it
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[01:29:30] <Skullworks> So are they burning the midnight kW at MPM tonite?
[01:30:14] <Jymmm> Skullworks: you didnt get to go?
[01:30:34] <Skullworks> I got nailed with Jury duty.
[01:30:44] <Jymmm> ah
[01:33:03] <Skullworks> I wanted to go meet the crowd and check out Stewart's toys - but otherwise I be the guy standing in back taking notes and wearing the JAFO ball cap.
[01:33:18] <Jymmm> Just tell em the entire jusdicial system is mucked up and you'll be devils advocate for the underdog
[01:33:20] <Tom_itx> stuart has cool toys
[01:33:59] <eric_unterhausen> just tell the judge that you are related to a prison guard, that gets you off around here
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[01:36:07] <Skullworks> Oh - I did get released - I mentioned "Exculpatory evidence" and the DA made sure I was the first to go - but thats after 8 1/2 hours of group questions and the initial swearing in.
[01:36:37] <Jymmm> Skullworks: refuse to be swron in
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[01:36:50] <Jymmm> well, not refuse, just "no thank you"
[01:37:09] <CaptHindsight> they are probably off to dinner by now
[01:37:09] <Skullworks> That would have me camped out in the county jail for contempt.
[01:37:22] <CaptHindsight> just got back after a 3 hour flight delay
[01:37:58] <Skullworks> 8hr drive from here
[01:38:13] <Jymmm> Skullworks: not refuse, just decline in a delicate fashion =)
[01:38:34] <Skullworks> and I scoped out the motels even.
[01:39:18] <Jymmm> Skullworks: sorry, it sucks
[01:39:38] <Jymmm> Skullworks: You could have wrote a letter saying it's a bad time
[01:40:51] <Skullworks> Actually - if I had made room reservations that the court clerk could look up online - I would have been let go.
[01:41:12] <CaptHindsight> the guys from Tormach took everyone out for dinner the past two nights
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[01:41:48] <Skullworks> wow - how many actually made it?
[01:41:58] <Jymmm> Skullworks: could have said you were sharing with a friend
[01:42:02] <CaptHindsight> Tom_itx: I guess you were there Friday morning but I didn't run into you
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[01:42:04] <Jymmm> under their name
[01:42:29] <CaptHindsight> 30 but not all at once
[01:42:30] <Tom_itx> i was for a bit but had to go
[01:42:44] <Tom_itx> just got back from KC
[01:42:55] <Skullworks> thats great.
[01:43:12] <Tom_itx> just as an observer
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[01:45:03] <Tom_itx> i did get a tour of the shop though and that was very cool
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[01:50:23] <Skullworks> I took the slide show walk through of LaRue Manufacturing in Texas - it was like Deja-vu. other than a Mitsubishi Wire EDM and a waterjet cutter, I have run everything else in that shop before.
[01:51:55] <Tom_itx> i'd never seen Wire EDM so that was a treat for me
[01:52:16] <Tom_itx> they sure go through alot of wire :)
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[02:00:39] <Skullworks> Wire gets billed to each job - its the crap you clean out of the filters that can cost a small fortune to properly dispose of. AND all that used wire is sold to recyclers at premium rates cause it stays clean and basically pure.
[02:05:14] <Jymmm> PROFIT!
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[02:06:50] <Skullworks> Ideal would be to run a job with a heavy wire, they run that wire through a draw die to make in uniform and the next size down - and use it again.
[02:07:10] <Jymmm> NO PROFIT =(
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[02:10:04] <Skullworks> but thats for less critical work. Bottom line is total machine on time, power and the skilled babysitter are what cost the most.
[02:10:50] <tjb1> Anyone know of a tiny pcb that accepts 5v and charges AA batteries?
[02:11:40] <Tom_itx> ladyada might have something like that
[02:11:43] <eric_unterhausen> I bought a charger that can't have much of a circuit because it has 4 independent chargers for AAA or AA
[02:11:46] <Tom_itx> buck boost charger
[02:12:28] <tjb1> I want to stuff one in my mouse and use usb to charge the batteries.
[02:12:49] <tjb1> I don't know why they didnt just stuff a rechargeable battery inside :(
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[02:13:17] <Skullworks> I worked in a shop with 4 Agie wire machines - they would run lights out overnight - until the auto threading malfunctioned after a wire break and put a newly new spools worth of wire all over the shop floor.
[02:13:36] <Skullworks> nearly new
[02:13:58] <tjb1> I wonder if I can use these - http://www.amazon.com/USBCELL-MXAA02-AA-Rechargable-Battery/dp/B000LV8YKQ and just tie the + and - of the usb to the battery terminals
[02:14:14] <tjb1> I would assume these won't let themselves over charge
[02:14:38] <eric_unterhausen> energizer AA battery charger has a tiny circuit board, there is an instructable on it
[02:14:41] <Skullworks> don't let it draw more than 500ma
[02:14:56] <tjb1> Those usbcells are made to plug into usb
[02:15:37] <Tom_itx> the minty boost isn't quite what you were asking for
[02:15:49] <Tom_itx> it charges 5v devices from AA cells
[02:16:03] <Tom_itx> http://learn.adafruit.com/minty-boost
[02:16:12] <Tom_itx> that's not to say she doesn't have what you want
[02:16:50] <CaptHindsight> no need to get personal :)
[02:17:23] <tjb1> I can only find charger pcbs for lithium
[02:18:05] <CaptHindsight> did I hear correctly that adafruit is making their own ARM dev board for sale?
[02:18:31] <Tom_itx> tjb1, what sort of AA AAA are they?
[02:18:40] <tjb1> In the mouse?
[02:18:56] <Tom_itx> yes
[02:19:59] <tjb1> Just standard 1.5v
[02:20:47] <tjb1> I found an article about using the lipo but this will be my work mouse so I don't want to hack it up and explain what happened :P
[02:21:17] <Tom_itx> standard really aren't meant to be recharged
[02:21:20] <tjb1> if the + and - of the usb plug in the USBcell are the same as the + and - on the ends of the battery I will just jump the usb inside the mouse to the power terminals
[02:21:42] <tjb1> Tom_itx: I know, I am going to use rechargeables, just have to find a circuit or way to do it
[02:21:57] <Tom_itx> you're only allowed 500ma from the usb port and that's only after requesting it
[02:22:36] <tjb1> http://www.amazon.com/USBCELL-MXAA02-AA-Rechargable-Battery/dp/B000LV8YKQ
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[02:35:30] <eric_unterhausen> tjb1: that certainly wins the prize for size
[02:36:11] <eric_unterhausen> I probably would just get a charger
[02:41:08] <tjb1> a charger that would fit inside the mouse?
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[02:41:37] <Skullworks> I'm Out - night all.
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[02:42:48] <Tom_itx> if you're gonna put wires back to the mouse you may as well use a wired mouse
[02:43:37] <eric_unterhausen> too bad you can't plug in wireless mice
[02:44:20] <eric_unterhausen> they would have to raise the price a 25 cents
[02:44:31] <Tom_itx> inductive charger
[02:44:51] <eric_unterhausen> yeah, but that would be $5
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[02:45:26] <eric_unterhausen> same as downtown
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[02:55:36] <Tecan> big update to git repo
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[03:01:51] <Tecan> it keeps crashing with the simulator mode
[03:02:35] <Tecan> Can not find -sec MOT -var MOT -num 1
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[03:06:17] <Tecan> 5 axis works though :)
[03:06:24] <Tecan> cooleo
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[03:54:07] <Tecan> kasainho
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[06:58:02] <DJ9DJ> moin
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[09:06:25] <Loetmichel> mornin'
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[09:52:31] <plasma_ger> hi im fighting with the second parport card
[09:52:47] <plasma_ger> cat /proc/ioports | grep parport shoes the system internal
[09:53:11] <plasma_ger> if i edit the "/etc/modprobe.d/parport_pc
[09:53:51] <plasma_ger> option parport_pc io=0x2048 then it shoes the new one after restart
[09:53:58] <plasma_ger> but how do i get both
[09:54:11] <plasma_ger> parport0 and parport1
[09:54:46] <plasma_ger> or do i not need them in the cat /proc/ioports | grep parport
[09:56:26] <RyanS> carbide insert lathe tools - is the process of selecting which tools which job different to traditional hss and brazed tip tools
[09:56:48] <RyanS> Which has more choice]
[09:57:23] <archivist> they are just choices
[09:57:38] <archivist> use the right tool for the job
[09:58:59] <plasma_ger> as the loadrt hal_parport cfg="0x378 out 0x2048 in " will do the job on its own
[09:59:49] <plasma_ger> as only parport0 showes up in the modeprobe but lspci -v got the card
[10:03:03] <RyanS> Do you have to have a wider range of hss tools than carbide to turn a given part
[10:03:31] <RyanS> I'm talking about manual lathes
[10:03:44] <archivist> ryan_turner, question makes no sense
[10:05:09] <archivist> RyanS, you need to read some docs on tool geometry
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[13:16:36] <Jymmm> alex_joni yo
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[15:07:53] <Tecan> todays the day
[15:08:05] <Tecan> i get my repstrap printing hopefully
[15:12:01] <fragalot> pics
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[15:15:12] <Tecan> pics ?
[15:15:32] <Tecan> its the hotend that slows a guy down
[15:17:07] <Tecan> http://i.imgur.com/ZQ1k3n5.jpg old one
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[15:19:41] <fragalot> Neat
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[15:20:02] <fragalot> first thought was that you used a drawer as the Y :P
[15:21:56] <Tecan> yeah that might not work so well
[15:22:45] <fragalot> it could
[15:22:48] <Tecan> those wider bearing drawr slides would work
[15:22:58] <Tecan> not the wheeld ones
[15:23:18] <Tecan> theres too much angle and tipping points on one
[15:23:19] <fragalot> ofcourse
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[15:59:42] <eric_unterhausen> my mother in law got a phone call saying her computer has been hacked
[16:00:05] <eric_unterhausen> kicking off a panic attack that is going to end up with a scammer getting some of her money, I can tell
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[16:03:21] <Valen> moral of the story is be the scammer
[16:03:31] <Valen> I have been waiting 30 minutes for a windows machine to reboot
[16:03:39] <Valen> currently its installing update 1 of 9
[16:03:48] <Valen> its only the PDC so youknow, nothing important
[16:04:00] <Valen> oh and did i mention it was 2:00AM?
[16:04:03] <eric_unterhausen> that happened to me the other day, I needed to move a computer to do an experiment
[16:04:31] <eric_unterhausen> and it did that update without asking
[16:04:49] <eric_unterhausen> I thought I had it set to only do updates when I say it's ok
[16:05:24] <eric_unterhausen> when you restart, it continues to install and then reboots
[16:05:31] <eric_unterhausen> and that next boot is very slow too
[16:08:26] <Valen> the question is do i leave it be or what
[16:08:46] <eric_unterhausen> I really don't think it would be a good idea to interrupt
[16:08:58] <Valen> bigger question is do i go to bed
[16:09:06] <eric_unterhausen> I would
[16:09:14] <archivist> mine died mid update and it took a while to clean up after
[16:09:18] <eric_unterhausen> it's not that long total, maybe a half an hour
[16:09:30] <Valen> there is like 20kbyte/sec of disk activity going on
[16:09:31] <eric_unterhausen> although I have a relatively fast computer
[16:09:41] <Valen> idle cpu
[16:09:49] <Valen> its been going for half an hour already
[16:09:58] <archivist> the recent stuff is effin slow
[16:10:44] <eric_unterhausen> I think power saving has ruined computers
[16:11:02] <eric_unterhausen> Intel and AMD should work on making the wakeup period much less
[16:11:09] <archivist> windows has contributed to a large extent
[16:11:21] <archivist> large/most
[16:11:26] <Valen> my missus and my computers both boot in <10 seconds
[16:11:27] <archivist> ALL
[16:11:35] <Valen> windows 7 vs 12.04
[16:11:40] <Valen> mine is quicker though ;->
[16:11:54] <eric_unterhausen> my computer boots win 7 pretty darn fast
[16:12:28] <eric_unterhausen> or it did before this update, I will reserve judgment until I start using it monday
[16:12:34] <archivist> I am a vista/7/8 free zone :)
[16:12:49] <eric_unterhausen> work computer pretty much requires win 7
[16:13:02] <eric_unterhausen> I do have linux on some computers
[16:14:14] <eric_unterhausen> if the linux guys would stop having changes for the sake of change, I could be more enthusiastic about making everything work
[16:14:51] <eric_unterhausen> but I have been royally screwed working with linux in ways that mr. softy wouldn't dream of
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[16:15:56] <archivist> one way around that is dont upgrade when they suggest :)
[16:16:38] <eric_unterhausen> public networks require a certain amount of updating
[16:17:12] <eric_unterhausen> the IT guys do security probes on a regular basis
[16:18:26] <Valen> nope its stuffed
[16:18:36] <Valen> eventid 1001 windows update failure
[16:19:04] <Valen> 10.04 is still in secrurity updates
[16:19:08] <Valen> will be till 2015
[16:19:09] <eric_unterhausen> you are making me feel better about my experience, that would have been a disaster for me
[16:19:52] <eric_unterhausen> I'm moving our web server to centos, current version has support for the next 10 years or something ridiculous
[16:19:55] <Valen> the unity crap is crap though
[16:20:13] <Valen> I have just tried kubuntu on my laptop, it seems nice
[16:20:27] <eric_unterhausen> doesn't matter for the server, we just have a wiki and disk storage on it
[16:20:49] <eric_unterhausen> and code repository
[16:21:14] <Valen> i just don't like rpm
[16:21:19] <Valen> though its probably changed
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[16:21:45] <eric_unterhausen> I grew to absolutely hate fedora, so there is that
[16:21:55] <eric_unterhausen> but mostly because they tested nothing
[16:22:09] <Valen> ok PDC is running again at least
[16:22:21] <Valen> screw this crap I should have been in bed 2 and a half hours ago
[16:22:36] <Valen> still if this doesn't motivate me to spool up a secondary domain controller ;->
[16:22:43] <Valen> night all
[16:32:30] <Tom_itx> don't sleep, windows will do wicked things when you turn your head
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[16:36:36] <archivist> windows does wicked things when you are watching it too!
[16:36:56] <eric_unterhausen> wish I didn't live 3.5 hour drive from mother in law's house, I would just go fix the darn computer
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[16:37:22] <archivist> get her to deliver it
[16:37:30] <Tom_itx> but if you go, you will have to stay for a while
[16:37:35] <eric_unterhausen> I offered that
[16:37:42] <Tom_itx> visit and have tea etc
[16:37:46] <eric_unterhausen> said I would fix if she mailed it
[16:38:34] <archivist> knowing how long it can take...and I like a secondary box to look up problems
[16:38:47] <Tom_itx> working for a relative always takes at least 2x as long as it should
[16:39:25] <archivist> depends how much one cares for the users data
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[16:42:20] <CaptHindsight> http://phys.org/news/2013-06-storage-terabytes-dvd.html and still not much worth watching
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[16:45:23] <eric_unterhausen> yeah, I doubt she has generated much data. Would like to just wipe the hard drive and be done with it
[16:45:45] <eric_unterhausen> probably go in and look for anything she generated
[16:46:31] <archivist> when I ask users they usually claim to have little/nothing but often there is a lot more lurking they didnt realise
[16:48:52] <eric_unterhausen> I wish she had gotten another laptop
[16:49:10] <eric_unterhausen> mailing a desktop starts to be a thesis in and of itself
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[17:00:22] <eric_unterhausen> rebooting to make sure my usb stick is bootable
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[17:01:49] <Tom_itx> i try to save favorites, email and the personal directory. from there it's good bye charlie
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[17:02:06] <IchGuckLive> hi all B)
[17:02:16] <Tom_itx> Ich Guck Live !
[17:02:56] <IchGuckLive> B)
[17:03:15] <IchGuckLive> 24h lemans what a race
[17:03:31] <Tom_itx> is that the one someone died in?
[17:03:54] <Tom_itx> missed it but someone said a driver died in a race
[17:05:46] <IchGuckLive> yes after 9min in race
[17:06:12] <IchGuckLive> he walked out of the car but then died in hospital from inner errors
[17:07:07] <IchGuckLive> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=orB7ev0Iwy4
[17:07:09] <Tecan> (orB7ev0Iwy4) "24 Hours of Le Mans Allan Simonsen Huge Fatal Crash" by "2013Motorsport" is "Sports" - Length: 0:00:18
[17:09:16] <IchGuckLive> 800k hits on this vid so someone is getting benefit out of this Shame on them
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[17:14:46] <eric_unterhausen> need more computers, rebooting this one to see if a flash drive is bootable is annoying
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[17:19:09] <CaptHindsight> eric_unterhausen: as an option the ASRock E350M1 has coreboot support, so you won't have that problem
[17:19:28] <CaptHindsight> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157228
[17:19:38] <eric_unterhausen> too late, can't return this one
[17:20:00] <eric_unterhausen> plus I want a pci slot
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[17:22:49] <CaptHindsight> that's the problem with a broken BIOS, you have to hope that the vendor will fix it
[17:23:14] <CaptHindsight> I'd send it back since the BIOS is broken
[17:23:17] <eric_unterhausen> not surprisingly, when I search for a bios upgrade/downgrade, gigabyte can't find my mobo
[17:24:00] <eric_unterhausen> i ordered it last october, don't think newegg is going to take too kindly to the fact that I haven't tried it until now
[17:24:55] <CaptHindsight> contact gigabyte
[17:25:11] <eric_unterhausen> I sent them an email, waiting until tomorrow
[17:25:39] <CaptHindsight> is the board still in production?
[17:25:43] <eric_unterhausen> dont' think so
[17:25:50] <eric_unterhausen> short lived product
[17:25:59] <eric_unterhausen> it's a known issue
[17:26:24] <CaptHindsight> and if everyone lets them get away with it they will just ignore it
[17:26:25] <eric_unterhausen> which I didn't find out about until now. Blog post about it in 2010 regarding this mobo
[17:27:24] <CaptHindsight> that the problem with closed BIOS, there is little you can do to fix it
[17:27:46] <eric_unterhausen> industrial computers cost most/have worst bios
[17:27:54] <eric_unterhausen> this is a little better
[17:28:36] <CaptHindsight> but they will never use coreboot in volume since the BIOS vendors would lose out on $ and you can't hide backdoors or malware in it
[17:31:36] <eric_unterhausen> I never quite understood it, but I guess the adaptation kit is fairly easy for commercial bios
[17:31:48] <eric_unterhausen> if you don't care about your customers, that is
[17:32:15] <eric_unterhausen> google found the upgrade page, only oem bios for this board
[17:32:17] <eric_unterhausen> no updates
[17:33:46] <CaptHindsight> sometimes we get stuck with a few bits of hardware that don't perform as expected
[17:34:15] <eric_unterhausen> I should just give up and use a cd
[17:34:41] <CaptHindsight> buggy BIOS is #1 with mainboards
[17:35:32] <CaptHindsight> they might work just fine with Win but have odd issues with Linux and ACPI
[17:35:59] <eric_unterhausen> I bet oems are not happy they can't boot from usb
[17:36:08] <eric_unterhausen> but I don't know for sure how they do it
[17:36:51] <eric_unterhausen> going to go try the "insert usb at magic moment" trick
[17:37:04] <eric_unterhausen> now that I know it's bootable
[17:37:36] <CaptHindsight> I have lots of problems with Gigagyte boards and USB
[17:38:38] <CaptHindsight> really sensitive to ESD or mounting a cell phone
[17:41:48] <mpictor> eric_unterhausen: you can't get a fairly new gigabyte board to boot from usb?
[17:42:16] <IchGuckLive> is it a ga525
[17:43:17] <mpictor> I had problems with Linux and the LAPIC (?) but never with booting from any media - and mine is efi
[17:44:04] <mpictor> oops, this one is MSI - nevermind
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[17:45:37] <eric_unterhausen> 2012 gigabyte e350n
[17:46:48] <eric_unterhausen> ga-e350n to be more specific
[17:47:08] <CaptHindsight> http://www.gigabyte.us/products/product-page.aspx?pid=3681#ov ?
[17:47:38] <eric_unterhausen> not that, the one without usb3 and a pci slot
[17:47:59] <CaptHindsight> http://www.gigabyte.us/products/list.aspx?s=42&jid=13&p=2&v=25
[17:48:20] <CaptHindsight> heh, they made a few with the same name
[17:48:24] <eric_unterhausen> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128561
[17:48:42] <CaptHindsight> E-350D APU AMD A45 FCH
[17:49:01] <mpictor> eric_unterhausen: have you read http://chromasoft.blogspot.com/2010/10/solving-dreaded-gigabyte-wont-boot-from.html
[17:49:05] <eric_unterhausen> strangely, their faq does not address the well-known boot issue problem
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[17:49:16] <glowplug> Good afternoon. =)
[17:49:20] <mpictor> one commenter says a specific brand of usb stick will work
[17:49:34] <eric_unterhausen> mpictor -- that is the "insert the usb drive at magic moment" fix I mentioned above
[17:50:27] <mpictor> he says he doesn't have to insert at any specific time
[17:50:38] <eric_unterhausen> i don't trust random commentors that want me to go buy a new flash drive
[17:50:44] <mpictor> true
[17:50:59] <eric_unterhausen> sandisk almost surely changed the design since then anyway
[17:51:09] <mpictor> yea
[17:51:22] <mpictor> do you have several different ones you can try?
[17:51:32] <eric_unterhausen> not without pain
[17:51:37] <mpictor> ah
[17:51:45] <eric_unterhausen> have tried two so far
[17:51:51] <eric_unterhausen> both boot nicely on real computers
[17:51:53] <mpictor> I'm wondering if it isn't the brand, but rather how they set up the partition
[17:52:12] <eric_unterhausen> there is some suggestion that you need a very specific format
[17:52:25] <eric_unterhausen> the mobo actually was accessing the drive given the flashing led
[17:52:48] <glowplug> Is anyone around who is familiar with serial kinematics?
[17:53:06] <mpictor> maybe find someone with that model of stick (or a working stick) and see if they'll email you a compressed image of the partition
[17:54:58] <glowplug> Or could explain how the Italians did this? http://www.cncitalia.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=15047&hilit=robot
[17:55:43] <eric_unterhausen> isnt there a puma kins in linuxcnc?
[17:56:21] <glowplug> There is a generic serial kinematics module and a serial one. But only two people on earth have it working that I can find. =.
[17:56:31] <glowplug> *and a puma one
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[17:57:27] <glowplug> Is it simply that nobody has the hardware and the modules work fine?
[17:57:40] <eric_unterhausen> I have the hardware, but it's in pieces
[17:57:43] <eric_unterhausen> :)
[17:57:46] <mpictor> aren't there some opengl demos of scara, puma, and or gantry kins available in the simulator build?
[17:57:46] <glowplug> Haha
[17:57:54] <eric_unterhausen> never to work again, I'm afraid
[17:58:06] <glowplug> I found simulations of SCARA bots in the documentation.
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[17:58:45] <glowplug> The puma module will work for any 6-axis articulated robot?
[17:59:51] <mpictor> no, only for a puma type robot
[18:00:08] <mpictor> I don't remember what puma/scara stands for, try wikipedia
[18:00:27] <glowplug> Ok thats what I thought. I can't find examples of any english speakers with working 6-axis serial robots.
[18:00:45] <glowplug> Is it really that hard to set up?
[18:00:55] <archivist> have you looked at the vismach examples/simulations
[18:01:32] <mpictor> pretty sure alex_joni has videos of one he set up
[18:01:59] <archivist> http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?Vismach
[18:03:16] <glowplug> That I had not found! It seems to be a PUMA robot however. Unless I'm missing something?
[18:03:35] <archivist> scroll down :)
[18:03:59] <archivist> there are others and may be more in the download
[18:04:04] <glowplug> Nevermind! I know this robot!
[18:04:07] <eric_unterhausen> darn it, already fat16
[18:04:24] <glowplug> Yes that was the other of the two examples I could find. One from Italy and this one.
[18:04:40] <eric_unterhausen> what's wrong with those kins?
[18:04:41] <glowplug> Apparently this is a 6-axis PUMA
[18:04:57] <mpictor> there are both puma and scara on that page
[18:05:06] <glowplug> Nothing other than absolutely no implimentation details for either robot. xD
[18:05:38] <archivist> just look in its directory
[18:05:39] <glowplug> This is where I got stuck. I found two examples and both have ZERO information on how it was done.
[18:05:40] <eric_unterhausen> it's not the kins I would worry about so much, wiring it up would be scara
[18:05:43] <eric_unterhausen> scary
[18:06:03] <glowplug> The mechanics of it are extremely scary. But if the software isn't ready its scary AND a waste of time. Haha
[18:06:31] <archivist> the hal etc will be in the samples and the vismach directories
[18:06:54] <mpictor> if the sim works, it's just a matter of changing it to match your machine
[18:07:35] <glowplug> My google-fu must be bad. Where are the directories for the 6-axis bot?
[18:07:53] <glowplug> I see the two links which go directly to YouTube videos.
[18:08:16] <mpictor> two links at the top of the page
[18:08:21] <archivist> either look at the git repo or download
[18:08:43] <mpictor> oops, 404
[18:08:59] <eric_unterhausen> mine is in ~/git/linuxcnc/configs/vismach
[18:09:12] <mpictor> clone the repo with git and search for files named vismach*
[18:09:49] <glowplug> Thanks for the help guys! Hopefully I can figure this out. =)
[18:09:52] <archivist> change emc2 in those links to linuxcnc...two I must have missed :)
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[18:10:32] <archivist> I should run my link scanner on the wiki again
[18:12:25] <eric_unterhausen> getting the cd out of my desktop was easier than I though, didn't even have power
[18:12:46] <eric_unterhausen> now I hope I can find livecd
[18:14:16] <archivist> eric_unterhausen, took me a few days on my last PC build from old parts, finding CD, memory , stuff that would work....then latency....
[18:14:52] <archivist> redo from start, rinse repeat till bored
[18:15:11] <eric_unterhausen> I always like the "try to find cd drive that will read a cd" goatrope
[18:15:48] <eric_unterhausen> there is a reason why they cost less than $20, and it's not because the technology is solid
[18:16:03] <archivist> now the lathe PC needs a new psu as it emits a huge amount of RFI
[18:16:16] <glowplug> http://tinyurl.com/krvtoxt
[18:16:42] <glowplug> These files?
[18:17:49] <archivist> tinyurl is a waste of time, we wont bite
[18:17:53] <glowplug> What kind of system do you have archivist?
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[18:17:59] <glowplug> Won't bite?
[18:18:16] <archivist> or http://git.linuxcnc.org/gitweb?p=linuxcnc.git;a=tree;f=configs/puma;h=36d96d05d578cd76cf7468eb55b793410e920435;hb=HEAD
[18:18:45] <glowplug> Alright so these files will get a running vismach simulation of a 6-axis robot.
[18:18:53] <archivist> I have two a lathe and a 5 axis mill
[18:18:53] <glowplug> And your saying that the kinematics are easy to configure?
[18:19:07] <glowplug> I mean what kind of PC machine. =)
[18:19:26] <archivist> not saying that for puma as I have never done it
[18:19:52] <glowplug> Only two people have that I can tell. Haha
[18:20:27] <archivist> I think two could be wrong :)
[18:20:35] <glowplug> I'm asking because a great PSU to use in situations like that are the 120-160 watt nano-PSU's that use external 12-volt switched supplies.
[18:20:47] <archivist> I have seen other related questions
[18:20:52] <glowplug> I got a few from china (aliexpress) for $13 each (120 watts).
[18:21:50] <glowplug> http://www.mini-itx.com/store/~picoPSU-120
[18:22:11] <glowplug> Like that. Except significantly cheaper. Great for linuxcnc systems. 8)
[18:23:12] <glowplug> Yeah I have found many discussions on the topic. But only two success stories. And a company who sells linuxcnc setups for big bucks including 6-axis. They aren't telling anybody anything. xD
[18:24:03] <eric_unterhausen> get the sim running, that's the first step
[18:24:14] <eric_unterhausen> you should be able to do that relatively quickly
[18:24:23] <eric_unterhausen> find where the linkage dimensions are kept
[18:24:51] <glowplug> I suppose anybody with a working sim can get a working robot. Good point. =)
[18:25:20] <eric_unterhausen> the sim is running on the same framework as the machine will run on
[18:25:35] <eric_unterhausen> it's something that a regular cnc control doesn't have, and it's a great feature
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[18:26:07] <glowplug> ROS has this functionality. But for some disturbing reason it can't be used for milling. =/
[18:26:38] <eric_unterhausen> what arm do you have?
[18:26:40] <mpictor> glowplug: if you aren't familiar with python, just make one small change to the sim at a time; each time that it works, commit the changes to a git repo
[18:26:54] <eric_unterhausen> one of the shunk ones?
[18:26:58] <mpictor> then if you break it and can't figure out why, you can see what you did easily
[18:26:59] <eric_unterhausen> schunk?
[18:27:12] <glowplug> It's Python? Awesome! I'm not a python programmer but I am familiar enough with it to tinker. What luck. =)
[18:27:41] <eric_unterhausen> most of the machine control stuff is c
[18:27:55] <glowplug> I don't have a machine at the moment. I'm in the planning stages of building one similar to the build on Instructables.
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[18:28:14] <glowplug> The "sexy 6-axis robot"
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[18:28:24] <eric_unterhausen> in which case, the sim is all you have
[18:28:25] <glowplug> Except he uses expenses proprietary machine controller software. O.o
[18:28:32] <mpictor> you're right, the things that need to be changed for a specific robot will be in C
[18:28:32] <glowplug> *Expensive
[18:29:17] <glowplug> So I need to mess with C code? Are you referring to the generic serial kinematics module?
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[18:30:13] <mpictor> it's been a long time since I looked at the kins, but I suspect you'll have to make changes for your arm lengths
[18:30:33] <mpictor> and perhaps other things like range of motion
[18:31:01] <glowplug> I'm extremely lucky that there is a simulator then. Otherwise I might kill myself and others calibrating it....
[18:31:14] <mpictor> that's what clones are for
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[18:31:26] <eric_unterhausen> just run the motors not hooked up
[18:31:57] <mpictor> what eric says. and/or use safety switch mats that stop the robot when someone steps near it
[18:31:59] <glowplug> Well first I'm going to get a sim running of my standard cartesian mill and go from there.
[18:32:03] <eric_unterhausen> in fact, once you figure out how to run the motors, you can just run it like a puma
[18:32:31] <glowplug> The puma modules WILL work for a 6-axis machine?
[18:32:56] <eric_unterhausen> they will work great on a pile of motors on a bench
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[18:33:05] <glowplug> Haha
[18:33:08] <eric_unterhausen> that have no physical linkages attached
[18:33:28] <glowplug> I get what you are saying more clearly now. Unconnected to the articulating parts. Not unconnected electrically
[18:33:31] <glowplug> That I can do. )
[18:33:31] <eric_unterhausen> you have to break the problem down into steps
[18:33:49] <glowplug> And also makes a lot more sense.
[18:33:50] <glowplug> O_O
[18:34:16] <glowplug> I suppose we all have dreams of plugging in a fully assembled 6-axis arm and having it magically work... right?
[18:34:30] <eric_unterhausen> although spinning motors is a known terminal point for many cnc efforts
[18:34:47] <eric_unterhausen> that's what estop is for
[18:35:37] <glowplug> Absolutely. I will probably put a hard RPM limit into my motor controllers too.
[18:35:56] <eric_unterhausen> although estop should be well tested before hooking something like that up
[18:36:03] <glowplug> Agreed. 8)
[18:36:10] <eric_unterhausen> the robot I bought would only move in a plane
[18:36:26] <eric_unterhausen> the researchers running it had disabled rotation
[18:36:35] <glowplug> Out of curiosity what kind of robot do you have?
[18:36:40] <eric_unterhausen> GE
[18:36:45] <eric_unterhausen> p50
[18:38:07] <glowplug> It is an older model?
[18:38:16] <eric_unterhausen> '90s
[18:38:37] <glowplug> Very cool!
[18:38:39] <eric_unterhausen> I bought it surplus
[18:38:50] <eric_unterhausen> I just bought it for the motors
[18:38:56] <Tom_itx> what do you do with it?
[18:39:20] <eric_unterhausen> I never intended to do anything with it, it needs 40 amp three phase to run
[18:39:31] <glowplug> I would love to have one of those but my requirements are much smaller. I plan on using my robot for pick and place, pcb milling, laser soldering and other generic electronic tasks that don't require much space.
[18:39:41] <eric_unterhausen> it's far too big for home use
[18:40:14] <eric_unterhausen> when assembled, it had something like a 12 foot envelope
[18:40:19] <glowplug> O_O
[18:40:23] <Tom_itx> it won't hold your coffee cup?
[18:40:29] <Tom_itx> :)
[18:40:43] <glowplug> I would be too afraid of it putting the coffee cup through my torso. =/
[18:40:58] <eric_unterhausen> that was my fear too, that's why I never intended to power it up
[18:41:16] <eric_unterhausen> cost me $125
[18:41:21] <Tom_itx> wow
[18:41:28] <Tom_itx> probably more than that to move it
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[18:41:37] <eric_unterhausen> moved it with another person
[18:42:01] <eric_unterhausen> there was another robot I wanted to buy with hydraulic actuation. That would have been expensive
[18:42:04] <Tom_itx> you can get that back in scrap metal
[18:42:11] <glowplug> $125!!!
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[18:42:21] <glowplug> Unbelievable
[18:42:23] <eric_unterhausen> they were pissed
[18:42:38] <glowplug> Who else would use it? The software is impossible to get working! Haha
[18:42:50] <eric_unterhausen> it was self-contained
[18:42:57] <glowplug> Oh with the controller built-in
[18:42:58] <eric_unterhausen> pretty sure it was running
[18:43:03] <glowplug> That is especially useless to anyone.
[18:43:08] <eric_unterhausen> yeah, I got the cabinet
[18:43:15] <glowplug> That is crazy
[18:43:30] <eric_unterhausen> I'm using it to hold my computer for linuxcnc
[18:43:31] <glowplug> The only thing that could command it was the original software though correct?
[18:43:31] <eric_unterhausen> :)
[18:43:54] <eric_unterhausen> I don't know if they had modified it to use a PC or not
[18:44:04] <glowplug> God knows what they used in the 90s...
[18:44:21] <eric_unterhausen> it was in a university lab
[18:44:35] <eric_unterhausen> actually, I watched them take it out and waited for it to go on auction
[18:45:03] <eric_unterhausen> now they don't do those auctions, I think, they put everything on ebay
[18:45:13] <glowplug> So you ended up getting a pile of 5-10kw AC motors?
[18:45:27] <eric_unterhausen> dc brushed servomotors
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[18:45:34] <glowplug> Ahhhh
[18:45:37] <eric_unterhausen> I never figured out why it drew so much power
[18:45:56] <glowplug> They probably had badass gearboxes though. Too bad they were brushed. =(
[18:46:26] <eric_unterhausen> yeah, brushless were just coming on line back then
[18:50:24] <glowplug> I've only ever run this on Xenomai. It will let me launch linuxcnc without a real time kernel right?
[18:50:37] <glowplug> I'm going to attempt this on my laptop which doesn't have a RTK.
[18:50:40] <eric_unterhausen> sim config
[18:51:09] <glowplug> Ahh I see.
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[18:53:22] <glowplug> Thanks again for the help. =)
[18:53:48] <glowplug> No way I would have gotten on the right track from google. Because I've been reading nonstop and was still lost. xD
[18:54:45] <glowplug> On a somewhat related note. Do you know anyone with MTConnect working?
[18:57:28] <CaptHindsight> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Dyx0ddg8GM&feature=youtu.be what do these sell for used? in decent shape
[18:57:31] <Tecan> (8Dyx0ddg8GM) "Boyar Shultz Surface Grinder 6x12" by "JamesRussin" is "People" - Length: 0:03:17
[19:03:04] <eric_unterhausen> CaptHindsight, I wouldn't pay much
[19:03:18] <eric_unterhausen> but I'm guessing people want $5k
[19:03:36] <CaptHindsight> actually a few around here for $400-500
[19:03:47] <eric_unterhausen> clapped out?
[19:04:10] <eric_unterhausen> grinders have a hard life
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[19:37:08] <glowplug> Alright! I've got a PUMA simulation up and running. 8)
[19:37:21] <glowplug> Thanks again Eric. =)
[19:37:31] <glowplug> Now I need to start hacking at the definitions I suppose?
[19:37:40] <eric_unterhausen> most recent cd I can find is 8.04. I have BDI :)
[19:37:43] <archivist> yesum
[19:42:28] <glowplug> You guys are working on a new live CD?
[19:43:07] <eric_unterhausen> no point to that atm
[19:43:17] <eric_unterhausen> the rt kernels need to catch up
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[19:47:04] <glowplug> Xenomai has crashed on me a few times. It's not THAT bad though. xD
[19:47:14] <glowplug> Have you guys considered Arch for the live iso?
[19:47:42] <Tom_itx> you should be bringing that up to the guys at the fest probably
[19:48:20] <Tom_itx> i was watching them for a bit 'discuss' 'direction'
[19:50:34] <Tom_itx> all sorts of scribble notes hanging on the walls
[19:52:44] <danielfalck> Tom_itx: any discussion of licenses?
[19:54:11] <Tom_itx> i wasn't able to stick around long enough to catch much about that
[19:55:04] <glowplug> Discussing direction. That sounds like band problems. O.o
[19:55:26] <glowplug> I would be happy to contribute an Arch live distro if nobody uses it no big deal. 8)
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[20:06:41] <eric_unterhausen> there have been multiple live cds in the past
[20:10:40] <CaptHindsight> glowplug: we had it working on Arch a couple of years ago
[20:11:52] <CaptHindsight> it ended up taking up too much time to support the constant rolling updates
[20:13:28] <glowplug> I'm surprised anyone would do full an syu on a functional machine controller PC.
[20:13:34] <archivist> chasing the latest is really a waste of time
[20:14:01] <glowplug> Maybe it's just me but I would just leave it alone if it works!
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[20:14:22] <archivist> my lathe is still on 6.06 and the mill is on 8.04
[20:14:23] <CaptHindsight> https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/emc2/ it's still there
[20:14:50] <glowplug> Exactly. You can do the same with Arch. Just resist the urg to -syu. =)
[20:16:13] <CaptHindsight> seems it got to the point where there would be a patch to fix 6 problems that would break 7 other things
[20:17:22] <glowplug> A patch for LinuxCNC?
[20:17:48] <archivist> there is that same danger if linuxcnc starts using too many external libraries
[20:18:11] <CaptHindsight> no, just Arch in general
[20:18:28] <glowplug> The only real difference between Arch and lets say Ubuntu is that Arch users can't resist -syu. Ubuntu users need a new iso.
[20:18:53] <glowplug> Changing / updating software is a user decision.
[20:19:08] <CaptHindsight> now I recall, there was all this drama with arch on ARM
[20:19:39] <glowplug> ARM = Drama. But for our use aren't the real time kernels not there yet?
[20:20:32] <CaptHindsight> ARM is ahead of x86 now with Xenomai + kernel 3.8 and Linuxcnc
[20:21:04] <glowplug> That would be a huge plus for Arch in that case.
[20:21:20] <glowplug> Their ARM support / documentation is extremely good.
[20:22:20] <glowplug> I think a quick script to alert users attempting a -syu that it is a dangerous operation. That would clear up 99% of the problems.
[20:23:26] <CaptHindsight> whats the best way to get a "mirror" machined flat finish on 6061 aluminum?
[20:24:00] <CaptHindsight> maybe this? http://www.practicalmachinist.com/vb/cnc-machining/how-get-best-mirror-machined-flat-finish-6061-aluminum-188221/
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[20:33:46] <glowplug> I am having a seriously hard time with this simulation. =/
[20:34:53] <glowplug> What is the easiest way to move a part into the robots build area? Do I have to modify the gcode manually?
[20:35:39] <eric_unterhausen> CaptHindsight: you want optically flat, diamond turning on an air bearing
[20:35:45] <eric_unterhausen> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fML6VN88U_M
[20:35:46] <Tecan> (fML6VN88U_M) "Diamond Turning Copper" by "mdrlpsu" is "Tech" - Length: 0:05:25
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[21:04:02] <eric_unterhausen> I hope brasero isn't screwing up the disk I just burned
[21:04:29] <eric_unterhausen> so far the score is one coaster, second try in progress
[21:05:45] <eric_unterhausen> brasero claims success, I'm reserving judgement
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[21:13:28] <eric_unterhausen> that seems to be working better
[21:16:28] <CaptHindsight> K3B tends to work better
[21:16:35] <glowplug> I'm having some trouble with the 6-axis puma simulation. Does anyone know how to easily change the work area of this type of robot?
[21:16:52] <CaptHindsight> had lots of coasters produced by Brasero
[21:17:42] <eric_unterhausen> I turned the burn speed all the way down
[21:17:52] <eric_unterhausen> my experience with brasero is that it knows that it failed
[21:18:03] <eric_unterhausen> although it is real annoying about it
[21:18:31] <eric_unterhausen> glowplug: doubt that it's particularly easy
[21:18:53] <eric_unterhausen> my son burned the coaster on his windows machine
[21:19:02] <eric_unterhausen> I just need to get the system booting
[21:19:13] <glowplug> I think the work area is calculated based on the robot geometry and angles ect.
[21:19:44] <glowplug> I need to move that area around without modifying that information. Is that possible?
[21:21:50] <DJ9DJ> gn8
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[21:25:50] <glowplug> This is crazy. I really can't figure out how to move the work area. This is why I try to stay away from software. O.o
[21:26:11] <eric_unterhausen> the work area is related to the geometry
[21:26:21] <eric_unterhausen> you might be able to limit it
[21:27:13] <eric_unterhausen> which config?
[21:27:32] <glowplug> I've never encountered this with my 3-axis. The starting point for my parts is always out of the robots bounds.
[21:27:39] <glowplug> I'm using the 6-axis Puma config.
[21:28:22] <glowplug> And I can't do a touch (its greyed out).
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[21:31:06] <eric_unterhausen> did you look in the .ini files?
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[21:31:45] <glowplug> I've moved into the ini files. O_O
[21:31:58] <glowplug> Theres nothing in there except robot geometry.
[21:32:14] <eric_unterhausen> are you using inches or metric
[21:32:15] <eric_unterhausen> ?
[21:32:28] <glowplug> Metric.
[21:32:34] <eric_unterhausen> use inches
[21:32:41] <glowplug> O_O
[21:33:07] <eric_unterhausen> metric is for people who don't want to make chips
[21:33:08] <eric_unterhausen> ;)
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[21:33:19] <eric_unterhausen> just kidding, ini files are in inches
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[21:33:32] <eric_unterhausen> you will have immediate success by changing systems
[21:33:32] <glowplug> Ohh OK. I only changed the Axis GUI view to metric.
[21:33:39] <glowplug> I didn't change any ini params.
[21:33:48] <glowplug> So thats not it.. unfortunately
[21:33:52] <eric_unterhausen> I know, but your workpiece is in metric, isn't it?
[21:34:36] <glowplug> Nope. Its a fresh text only part that says "lolwut" in the very bottom left of my work area.
[21:34:46] <glowplug> Which is apparently far to the top right of the robots work area
[21:35:03] <glowplug> With these settings it is physically impossible for a part to be in the robots envelope.
[21:35:47] <glowplug> The search terms "linuxcnc touch off greyed out / missing" turn up empty. O.o
[21:44:48] <glowplug> http://i.imgur.com/6s44vOP.png
[21:45:18] <glowplug> Also in that screenshot the robot is off so everything is greyed out. But touch off is greyed out when the robot is on also. =)
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[21:50:33] <glowplug> This one is better. http://i.imgur.com/qXCbPoI.png
[21:51:11] <glowplug> Even more interesting than that is the robot homes outside of its work area. O_o
[21:59:35] <eric_unterhausen> I see dimensions of 980 mm
[22:00:05] <glowplug> Thats just the view setting.
[22:00:13] <glowplug> If I switch it to inches everything stays the same. =(
[22:00:16] <eric_unterhausen> gcode is in english units
[22:00:18] <eric_unterhausen> ?
[22:00:28] <eric_unterhausen> says it's in metric
[22:00:34] <CaptHindsight> when cutting aluminum t-slot with a circular saw, what gives the cleanest cut? smaller dia more teeth vs large diameter small teeth
[22:00:36] <eric_unterhausen> down at the bottom of the screen
[22:01:01] <CaptHindsight> http://justsawblades.com/ten/alum.html
[22:01:15] <eric_unterhausen> CaptHindsight: I dunno, I used the blade from ace hardware and it worked fine
[22:01:23] <CaptHindsight> heh
[22:01:40] <CaptHindsight> or large dia blade with larger teeth
[22:02:08] <eric_unterhausen> this was on a hand saw 7 1/4"
[22:02:21] <eric_unterhausen> they tend to have smaller teeth and lots of them
[22:02:37] <eric_unterhausen> there may be some changes given the thickness
[22:02:51] <eric_unterhausen> I was cutting 3/4" plate
[22:03:02] <glowplug> Holy crap that does have an effect. Wow this thing is really going to force me to use standard?
[22:03:23] <glowplug> It's not quite fixed because I can't touch off still. But it did moved the part.
[22:03:24] <eric_unterhausen> no, but you will have less troubles if you use consistent units
[22:03:53] <eric_unterhausen> I don't know if metric is really fixed, it used to cause all sorts of troubles
[22:04:10] <eric_unterhausen> you certainly have to change your ini files to metric
[22:05:05] <eric_unterhausen> it's a g-code problem as much as anything
[22:05:43] <CaptHindsight> eric_unterhausen: did you make any of the fest in Wichita?
[22:06:09] <eric_unterhausen> no, too much going on to even think of it
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[22:09:53] <CaptHindsight> eric_unterhausen: know any sources for high precision trunnion tables? this is for very light loads
[22:09:58] <Tom_itx> mhaberler lots of insight gained at the fest?
[22:11:53] <CaptHindsight> everyone there was pretty busy, some kept up with the mail list, but i didn't notice anyone on IRC
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[22:13:26] <CaptHindsight> probably unstable network connection ^^
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[22:14:35] <glowplug> I just noticed something. The title of the Axis GUI is "linuxcnc-hal-sim-hexapod" but I have the puma config loaded.
[22:14:45] <glowplug> That could be a problem....
[22:14:56] <eric_unterhausen> I noticed that too, but forgot to mention
[22:15:32] <glowplug> I'm going to wipe this and install the stable LinuxCNC. That could be a version 2.6 bug.
[22:15:46] <eric_unterhausen> no, it's coming from a config file
[22:16:04] <glowplug> Hmmm
[22:17:49] <glowplug> I think it might be cosmetic.
[22:17:56] <glowplug> "#+ Name of machine, for use with display, etc. MACHINE = LinuxCNC-HAL-SIM-HEXAPOD"
[22:18:18] <eric_unterhausen> copy paste error of no consequence
[22:18:31] <glowplug> Agreed.
[22:19:06] <glowplug> I'm 99% sure that the problem is that the 3 axis coordinates from my gcode are not being processed into serial kinematics.
[22:19:26] <glowplug> It keeps running into itself like a special education-bot.
[22:20:09] <eric_unterhausen> you are using puma, right?
[22:20:25] <glowplug> Yup. It's a 6-axis puma sim config.
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[22:25:08] <glowplug> Linear move on line 9 would exceed joint 2's positive limit.
[22:25:22] <glowplug> This time my part is in standard and inside the work area.
[22:25:28] <glowplug> Robot is homed inside the work area.
[22:26:51] <eric_unterhausen> sounds like your workpiece goes outside the workspace to me
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[22:29:24] <glowplug> I know but it's in there for sure this time. All kinds of other strange behavior too. A homing operation just causes axis 0 and 1 to rote 180 degrees.
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[22:29:41] <glowplug> I'm absolutely positive there is no conversion from 3-axis to 6.
[22:29:44] <eric_unterhausen> I find that unsurprising
[22:30:03] <glowplug> I think it's clear why nobody has these things working. O_o
[22:30:33] <glowplug> If I left everything how it was it would be possible to generate gcode that operates this robot correctly. But it would be really really hard.
[22:30:44] <eric_unterhausen> alex joni does, but I think the puma kins are very old
[22:30:59] <glowplug> I have a strong feeling that they rewrote a lot of this stuff.
[22:31:13] <glowplug> Alex and the Italian guy.
[22:31:21] <eric_unterhausen> he would have contributed it back
[22:31:28] <eric_unterhausen> dunno about the Italian guy
[22:31:29] <glowplug> Hmm
[22:31:42] <glowplug> His is impressive to say the least.
[22:31:54] <glowplug> It picks up a plastic water bottle and pours it into a cup.
[22:32:14] <glowplug> Easy with ROS. Must have taken forever to write in gcode.
[22:32:56] <eric_unterhausen> did you search the emal list archives?
[22:33:36] <glowplug> I did briefly. Does Alex get on IRC very often?
[22:34:45] <eric_unterhausen> looks like andy pugh got the sim running and helped someone with it back in 2011
[22:35:58] <glowplug> Interesting! Do you have a link to the thread?
[22:37:58] <eric_unterhausen> I'm looking in my gmail account
[22:38:56] <eric_unterhausen> there was a thread about the serial kinematics config on 1/4/11 involving AlexJoni
[22:39:05] <eric_unterhausen> entitled "serial kinematics"
[22:39:24] <eric_unterhausen> started by Viesturs Lācis
[22:40:21] <glowplug> Got it!
[22:40:23] <glowplug> Thanks =D
[22:40:35] <eric_unterhausen> there was also "problem with genserkins" on 10/3/11 started by Francesca Sca
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[22:41:49] <glowplug> That's an Italian name. I wonder if its the same person? Hmmm
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[22:58:27] <eric_unterhausen> flipping keyboard decided to give up just as my system booted the first time
[22:59:45] <glowplug> =(
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[23:04:46] <glowplug> I found something very interesting. Pumagui.py apparently contains all of the robots dimensions.
[23:05:02] <glowplug> I have a feeling it's going to be a few weeks before this works. O_o
[23:20:48] <glowplug> Interesting it actually looks like the pumakins file is in the src directory which was previously mentioned.
[23:21:02] <glowplug> Its a c file. So I make a change then compile it with GCC>
[23:21:04] <glowplug> ?
[23:21:41] <eric_unterhausen> have you built from this directory?
[23:21:58] <eric_unterhausen> I would guess make; make install, but it's been a while
[23:23:10] <glowplug> Nevermind I figured it out. =)
[23:23:34] <glowplug> This C code doesn't need to be modified. The HAL parameters change the values.
[23:24:33] <glowplug> Looks like I need to keep reading the mailing list.
[23:24:56] <eric_unterhausen> if you get a specific problem, you can ask there
[23:25:07] <eric_unterhausen> possibly bigger audience of people that can help
[23:26:12] <eric_unterhausen> of course, people aren't shy asking stupid questions there either
[23:26:17] <glowplug> I think the problem is between keyboard and chair. O.o
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[23:57:26] <jdh> I need to cut some 6061 and all I have is a 4-flute bit. Should I go slower?
[23:58:52] <Tom_itx> well, the flutes are more shallow so i'd go with a lighter chip load
[23:59:03] <Tom_itx> per flute that is