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[02:43:40] <PetefromTn> Evening folks
[02:43:51] <ssi> howdy pete
[02:44:42] <PetefromTn> Howdy...
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[02:50:44] <skunkworks> boy - time for bed here
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[02:55:44] <Tecan> word of wise only weld one side of bearing
[03:01:04] <ssi> they don't move well when you weld them together :P
[03:01:08] <Valen> welding bearings? sounds like a bad plan
[03:06:17] <tjb1> intel d525mw is now $200 on ebay....
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[03:08:59] <Valen> going up in price?
[03:09:01] <Valen> :->
[03:09:03] <Valen> :-< rather
[03:09:26] <Connor> Sounds about right.. since they're not making them anymore..
[03:09:40] <Valen> has anybody tried the 3rd party atom boards?
[03:10:40] <jdh> not me, I was scared of them.
[03:13:19] <jdh> http://www.orbitmicro.com/global/boxd525mw-p-16817.html?ref=base&gclid=CJKXsIuI4LcCFVRk7AodzGAAEw
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[03:14:18] <jdh> 115 on amazon
[03:15:46] <jdh> I want to cut 14 1.25" holes in 0.25" 6061. I tried a hole saw in my G0704, but the motor kept bogging down (using the quill)
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[03:20:07] <PetefromTn> Why don't you just mill them?
[03:20:08] <tjb1> jdh: legit website?
[03:20:32] <jdh> tjb1: no clue. The amazon one looks good though.
http://www.amazon.com/BLKD525MW-Intel-D525MW-Desktop-Motherboard/dp/B005ZNPDWC/ref=pd_sim_sbs_e_2
[03:20:51] <jdh> Pete: I could, but that's more painful to set up.
[03:20:55] <tjb1> jdh: thanks, might grab another to have before they are all gone
[03:21:13] <jdh> the .25" aluminum is really 2" square tubing, 0.25" wall thickness
[03:21:40] <jdh> I need through holes through the tubing and lining them up might suck.
[03:21:58] <PetefromTn> How is that more painful to setup?
[03:22:16] <PetefromTn> Seems like a three flute slam dunk to me LOL
[03:22:54] <jdh> I can mark the other side with the pilot bit from the hole saw through the first side.
[03:23:29] <PetefromTn> I PRESUME the holes need not be pretty then ..
[03:23:58] <jdh> not really, there is a piece of 1.25" tubing going through them and they will be tig'ed to the square tubing
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[03:24:54] <jdh> I'm kind of surprised the motor did that. I wasn't using much force on the quill
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[03:25:41] <PetefromTn> What's the HP?
[03:25:55] <jdh> depends on who you ask. 1 chinese HP
[03:26:02] <jdh> but, I think it's a 600 watt motor
[03:27:23] <PetefromTn> A 1.25 inch hole saw can easily stop my drill and try to break my wrist lol
[03:28:25] <Connor> Try using a large diameter hole saw in 3/4" MDF.. :)
[03:28:35] <Connor> If you don't know the tricks.. you'll burn it up.
[03:28:40] <jdh> Connor: ever stalled your stock motor?
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[03:29:09] <Connor> Not milling... I did when using it as a lathe.. and shortly after is when it burned up.
[03:29:26] <jdh> guess I need to do the belt thing
[03:29:35] <Connor> but I think it burned up because I got some swarf in the motor.. because it was horizontal.
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[03:29:44] <Connor> You burn yours up ?
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[03:29:56] <jdh> no, but it doesn't seem to have any torque.
[03:30:12] <PetefromTn> Was drilling a 2.5 inch hole in some 16 gauge steel sheet today and almost jacked up my wrist.
[03:30:14] <Connor> you check the torque limit pot on the speed controller.
[03:30:26] <jdh> I re-wateched Hoss' video of cutting stainless with a .5" end mill. I don't think mine could do anything like that.
[03:30:30] <jdh> no.
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[03:31:33] <jdh> if you tweak the torque pot, aren't you more likely to fry it?
[03:32:25] <Connor> BTW, the trick using a whole saw in MDF, start the whole to mark the outside edge.. then using something like a forstner bit drill a hole on the inside edge of hole.. this lets the mdf swarf esacpe and not burn up your whole saw. :)
[03:32:34] <Connor> Only if you stall it.
[03:33:18] <PetefromTn> Hell if you've got a forstner bit what the hell do you need the hole saw for LOL
[03:33:35] <Connor> I've stalled my treadmill motor a few times trying to tap.. (with a hand tap)
[03:33:48] <Connor> PetefromTn: Don't have one that 3" big ?
[03:34:08] <Connor> Also, not as messy..
[03:34:31] <PetefromTn> Yeah so is the hole
[03:35:31] <PetefromTn> Damn it was hot here today....
[03:35:42] <Connor> and VERY humid.. :(
[03:36:05] <jdh> 94F and 90% humidity here
[03:36:15] <Connor> I think I'm going to have to buy a wall AC unit for my shop.. I have one.. but.. it's WAY to large for my shop..
[03:36:17] <PetefromTn> It was even warm in the shop and it usually stays pretty comfy in there
[03:36:24] <Connor> plus, I want one with heat.
[03:36:40] <Connor> PetefromTn: You keep yours too hot for me. :)
[03:36:48] <jdh> I got a 2ton window unit for my garage. It was nice today.
[03:36:50] <Connor> I like my shop around 68
[03:37:05] <PetefromTn> You need one of these portable AC units like I got while I try to get my house AC fixed.
[03:37:12] <Connor> but, I have issues regulating my temperature.
[03:37:13] <PetefromTn> It kicks ass
[03:38:00] <Connor> this one I have is like 5 or 6 years old now.. and never been out of the box..
[03:38:20] <PetefromTn> .what size is it?
[03:38:23] <Connor> I think I may try and sell it on Craigs list.. and use the $$$ for smaller one.
[03:38:29] <Connor> Let me look.. been a while.
[03:39:18] <Connor> 12,000 btu. 120v 15amp
[03:39:57] <PetefromTn> Hmm I got an 7 or 8 k one upstairs that works great.
[03:40:39] <jdh> I have a 7k one for post-hurricane. Cheap, no electronics and runs off my generator.
[03:41:12] <PetefromTn> You in Fla?
[03:41:19] <jdh> coastal NC
[03:41:23] <Connor> The room is 11.5 x 7.
[03:41:41] <jdh> get on I-40 East. Turn left right before you hit the water.
[03:41:52] <PetefromTn> Lol
[03:41:53] <Connor> so, around 80 square feet.
[03:42:10] <PetefromTn> Like a closet LOL
[03:42:11] <jdh> you don't need much for that
[03:42:25] <Connor> no. 5 ot 6k would be more than enough.
[03:42:29] <jdh> cheapest thing you can find would probablyi work fine
[03:42:42] <Connor> I have a smaller one.. but.. it stopped working.. I think it might be out of coolant..
[03:42:57] <PetefromTn> This one would freeze you out LOL
[03:42:59] <jdh> not worth fixing
[03:43:06] <Connor> jdh: I want one with built in heat..
[03:43:17] <jdh> oh, those are pricey.
[03:43:19] <PetefromTn> It does have a remote control here somewhere
[03:43:39] <jdh> there have been a few days I wanted heat, but not many.
[03:43:47] <PetefromTn> No heat tho
[03:44:11] <Connor> My smaller one does too.. and.. I'm not sure it DOESN'T work.. I was using it help supplement my sun room which is 12 x 22
[03:44:45] <PetefromTn> Like I said they make these portable units with AC and heat and they are pretty sweet.
[03:45:44] <PetefromTn> Also don't have this big box sticking out the side of your house.
[03:46:20] <Connor> Yea. but those take up floor space. :(
[03:46:34] <Connor> which is HUGE premium in my shop.
[03:46:36] <PetefromTn> Hang it on the wall
[03:47:14] <Connor> I don't think I'm going to find a small AC with heat.. looks like most of those are much bigger.
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[03:49:51] <PetefromTn> Well I'm tired guys gnight..
[03:49:57] <Connor> g'night
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[04:41:36] <Tecan> http://i.imgur.com/BKOyfa6.jpg
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[05:54:07] <Loetmichel> morning
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[06:28:33] <RyanS> Is this guy getting a little too carried away?
http://www.toolsandmods.com/projects/marty-nissen-project-lathe
[06:28:52] <DJ9DJ> moin
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[07:27:53] <RyanS> shaping machines are bizarre
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[13:26:56] <skunkworks> heh - Windows 'hate'
[13:27:09] <skunkworks> (funny I just heard that...)
[13:34:33] <asdfasd> when I study in university 10 years ago somebody writed on the wall
[13:34:49] <asdfasd> I hate windows. signature: John
[13:34:54] <asdfasd> and below that
[13:35:05] <asdfasd> I hate John. signature: windows
[13:35:07] <asdfasd> :)
[13:39:09] <skunkworks> heh
[13:39:20] <archivist_herron> hey I am working at a windows company today!
[13:39:22] <skunkworks> This is in reference to windows '8'
[13:39:34] <skunkworks> different windows!!
[13:40:01] <archivist_herron> win8 is the biggest bag of sh** I have seen
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[13:40:06] <asdfasd> different but people still say the same :)
[13:41:02] <Jymmm> archivist_herron: You forgot Vista.
[13:41:17] <Valen> win8 is worse than vista
[13:41:23] <Jymmm> Valen: Really?
[13:41:29] <archivist_herron> and ME
[13:41:34] <Valen> vista they tried to add new stuff and do fancy things, and sucked at it
[13:41:35] <archivist_herron> combined
[13:41:45] <Jymmm> Eh, ME don't count. That was just fluff.
[13:41:52] <Valen> win8 they took something that worked, and took out working stuff
[13:42:00] <Valen> and added crap in its place
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[13:42:23] <archivist_herron> added the worst interface they could think of
[13:42:30] <Jymmm> Heh, I was just talking about that with someone actually.
[13:42:35] <ssi> they run a one on, one off release schedule
[13:42:47] <Valen> they are doing 8.1 soon
[13:42:55] <Jymmm> Thus why I dont' run M$ on bare metal
[13:42:55] <Valen> i hear the start button is making a comeback
[13:43:01] <ssi> 3.1 was good, 95 was crap. 98 was good, me was crap. XP was good, vista was crap. 7 was good, 8 was crap
[13:43:11] <Valen> 2000 was good
[13:43:19] <ssi> yea but that's an NT product
[13:43:19] <Valen> 2000 and xp were both good...
[13:43:21] <Jymmm> ssi: lol, I never realized that
[13:43:21] <ssi> different line :)
[13:43:22] <Valen> yeah
[13:43:25] <archivist_herron> I still have a 2k box
[13:43:34] <ssi> they have to make a crap os every other time so that you're HAPPY to switch to their next os
[13:43:45] <Jymmm> NT 351 and 4.0 were good.
[13:43:52] <Valen> lol, I think the problem is they went IPADS!!!!OMG
[13:44:00] <Valen> so they tried to make an OS for ipad
[13:44:03] <jdh> I still have DOS, w98, nt4, w2k boxes
[13:44:07] <Valen> which in it self is fine
[13:44:24] <ssi> I got off windows back in 98
[13:44:30] <Valen> but when I want to run 16 different spreadsheets and some bigass cad package its not much chop
[13:44:36] <ssi> I ran 98 beta in `97, and then switched completely to linux :P
[13:44:52] <ssi> I still run XP in VMs though
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[13:44:56] <ssi> for things like solidworks and ISE
[13:44:58] <ssi> and esx client
[13:45:05] <Jymmm> client?
[13:45:18] <Jymmm> ssi: ESX from VMWARE?
[13:45:40] <ssi> yeah
[13:45:45] <ssi> esxi technically
[13:45:48] <ssi> the management client is windows only
[13:45:53] * Valen just uses the missus "gaming machine" for any of that stuff ;->
[13:45:59] <Jymmm> ssi: oh, that fuscking thing.
[13:46:00] <ssi> I have an esxi server in a datacenter
[13:46:09] <ssi> yeah that fucking thing heheh
[13:46:15] <Valen> I gave up on vmware when kvm got into its stride ;->
[13:46:18] <ssi> if I had to do it over again I might try to go kvm
[13:46:21] <Valen> ganeti + kvm w00t
[13:46:25] <ssi> but it's a lot of work to start over :)
[13:46:26] <ssi> and downtime
[13:46:39] <Valen> have 2 machines?
[13:46:47] <Jymmm> ssi: and the $5000+ to move it all over to
[13:46:49] <Valen> I mean a cluster setup
[13:46:54] <Jymmm> machine^
[13:47:50] <Valen> I cheated for my migration, fire up the new machine, shut down the guest, boot ubuntu livecd on the new guest instance and the old one, the DD | NC the image over ;->
[13:47:58] <ssi> I can't afford the hosting for two machines
[13:48:08] <ssi> hell I can't really afford the hosting for one machine
[13:48:15] <ssi> it doesn't pay me back enough to justify its existence
[13:48:18] <ssi> but it's massively underutilized
[13:48:23] <Valen> I have 2x 1RU's for clients VM's
[13:48:29] <Jymmm> ssi: heh
[13:48:36] <ssi> mine's a 2u, and it's a whitebox build
[13:48:53] <Valen> Dell R210 II's nice and quiet and cheapish
[13:48:55] <Jymmm> ssi: Not your case, but check out the last image here...
http://alpinelinux.org/downloads
[13:48:55] <ssi> single i7 consumer proc, 16g ram, 8x2TB on an adaptec raid6
[13:49:07] <archivist_herron> mention of cluster reminds me of....add lustre to your cluster with knacker lacquer
[13:49:11] <Jymmm> ssi: It's xen on a lightweight distro
[13:49:18] <ssi> nice
[13:49:33] <Valen> I am wondering about making a solid block of a server, just buttloads of 1.5Ghz quad core arms, with 2gb ram and 30gb fast flash
[13:49:34] <ssi> we use kvm at work for our "private cloud"
[13:49:54] <ssi> but I don't manage the infrastructure side of it
[13:49:59] <Valen> probably pack a few thousand machines into each RU
[13:50:09] <Jymmm> ssi: I've been trying to work on a 'virtualized desktop', Like ESXi for desktop if you will.
[13:50:14] <ssi> Valen: that's the opposite of how things are done these days :P
[13:50:18] <Valen> i know
[13:50:22] <Valen> but its interesting isnt it
[13:50:22] <ssi> and there's reasons for that
[13:50:33] <Valen> there are, but there's also reasons not to
[13:50:36] <ssi> you have significant overhead in things like power distribution, networking, etc
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[13:50:58] <Jymmm> ssi: bandwidth is cheap in a DC compared to power.
[13:51:00] <Valen> yes and no, those things have also become drastically cheaper
[13:51:06] <ssi> Jymmm: yes it is
[13:51:11] <ssi> but I don't mean networking
[13:51:14] <ssi> er
[13:51:15] <Jymmm> =)
[13:51:16] <Valen> I think he means having a thousand port switch might be kinda spendy
[13:51:18] <ssi> I dont' mean bandwidth
[13:51:25] <ssi> I mean cabling, phys, switches
[13:51:30] <Jymmm> ah
[13:51:30] <ssi> PLANNING
[13:51:34] <Valen> Mine was going to be all solid state
[13:51:41] <Valen> switches on board
[13:51:52] <Jymmm> Eh, do what akami does =)
[13:51:52] <ssi> nice thought, but without PHYs, you have MII to MII comms
[13:51:56] <ssi> and those are wide
[13:52:20] <ssi> it's far more practical to just have one big honkin machine, and virtualize
[13:52:24] <ssi> then you have virtual networking
[13:52:26] <ssi> single point power
[13:52:38] <ssi> less hardware infrastructure needs
[13:52:38] <Jymmm> SPOF too =)
[13:52:48] <ssi> sure, but you design around that
[13:52:58] <ssi> you have the same spof if you have a thousand arm cores in one box
[13:53:01] <Jymmm> two $7000 machines =)
[13:53:14] <Valen> you seem to be thinking that there is all this stuff hanging around to do the support
[13:53:32] <Valen> the idea is you get 30 "sheets" of PCB made, totally self contained
[13:53:45] <ssi> yeah I realize that
[13:53:49] <Valen> stack them and power them
[13:53:53] <ssi> but even the networking on that board is inconvenient
[13:54:03] <ssi> I've been working on similar stuff
[13:54:10] <ssi> sheets of pcb that hold dozens of bitcoin mining asics :P
[13:54:15] <ssi> it's a smaller problem to solve
[13:54:17] <ssi> and still a lot of work
[13:54:38] <ssi> there we're just talking about routing SPI around to everyone, but still comms is a hassle
[13:54:41] <Valen> I was thinking of putting phys in, because you could have a run of up to a meter anyway
[13:54:42] <ssi> power distribution is a hassle
[13:54:59] <Valen> those asic's also run stupid hot and use assloads of power too
[13:54:59] <ssi> phys would be a good idea, because you don't want to run MII long distances
[13:55:03] <ssi> yes they do
[13:55:21] <Valen> these arms TDP is usually more like half a watt
[13:55:22] <Jymmm> ssi: ASIC, talk about bitching about power.... you'll need like 80A if you fill a rack, plus the cooling
[13:55:34] <ssi> I'm aware :)
[13:55:48] <ssi> single chip wants 6A or so Vdd
[13:55:55] <Jymmm> OUCH
[13:55:55] <ssi> ~5W
[13:55:56] <Valen> what vcc?
[13:55:58] <ssi> 0.9
[13:56:07] <Valen> thats not too terrible really
[13:56:21] <ssi> no it's really not bad for what it is
[13:56:27] <ssi> but it means fat switchers
[13:56:30] <ssi> and a switcher per few chips
[13:56:35] <ssi> big power planes
[13:56:38] <Valen> I was looking at some of the coinminer rigs they have heatsinks that look more appropreate on high end audio gear
[13:56:46] <ssi> yep
[13:56:58] <Valen> I was thinking by Z stacking I could just feed the power vertically
[13:57:12] <Valen> but some nice big blower fans in to cool the whole thing
[13:57:16] <ssi> sure
[13:57:16] <Valen> turbine style
[13:57:21] <ssi> it's absolutely feasible
[13:57:24] <ssi> I just don't think it's worth doing
[13:57:29] <Jymmm> Valen: forget that... liquid cooling
[13:57:43] <ssi> I think for less money than it'd cost you to build this thing, you could buy a single server from dell that'll virtualize out to the same width and more power
[13:57:48] <ssi> more computational power
[13:57:56] <Valen> I don't think you would tbh
[13:58:04] <ssi> arm SoCs aren't as powerful as they sound :)
[13:58:09] <Valen> The way I look at it is for $50 or so you can get a real hardware that has about the same spec as a minimum spec linode
[13:58:14] <ssi> 1.5GHz of arm isn't the same as 1.5GHz of xeon
[13:58:22] <Valen> totally true
[13:58:23] <Jymmm> ssi: is too
[13:58:50] <Valen> but if you share 8x 3ghz xeon cores amongst 500 users, well you may well be better off with the quad core arm
[13:59:12] <Valen> its not cut and dried either way
[13:59:14] <ssi> 500 $50 arm boards is $25k
[13:59:23] <ssi> before you start adding the plant to connect them all to a network
[13:59:35] <Valen> thats a pretty hefty dell I'll grant you
[13:59:40] <ssi> you can buy a lot of virt servers for $25k
[14:01:03] <ssi> anyway, I gotta run to a meeting and talk about our configuration management for our virtual servers :D
[14:01:06] <ssi> bbiab
[14:01:12] <Valen> nighty night
[14:01:52] <Valen> quick look at dells
[14:02:22] <Valen> $25k seems to get you 4x Intel® Xeon® E7540 2.00GHz with 1Tb of ram
[14:02:50] <Valen> thats 24 cpu cores amongst our 500 theoretical users
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[14:03:20] <Valen> Vs 2000 arm cores with no contention
[14:03:34] <Valen> no VM overheads
[14:03:40] <Valen> dedicated flash storage
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[15:09:52] <IchGuckLive> hi all B)
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[15:10:45] <IchGuckLive> today first time this year we hit 30 degrees Celsius = 86 degrees Fahrenheit in germany
[15:10:49] <IchGuckLive> O.O
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[15:45:10] <Tom_itx> IchGuckLive you've got some catching up to do, it's been 95+ F here this week
[15:45:34] <IchGuckLive> we will see this on monday shure
[15:46:04] <IchGuckLive> im off till later By
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[15:54:23] <nikola_> peter , in the uper right corhet , there is a hibrid cirquit called p-rs1
[15:54:40] <ssi> has a hunger
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[16:12:53] <tjtr33> prepping to drive to Wicjita, replaced rotors and pads, 5 miles later , rotor sheared of hub!
http://imagebin.org/261251
[16:13:31] <tjtr33> i think its welded and the only good welds are where it really fractured, rest of 'welds' just sheared
[16:15:10] <archivist> supposed to be solid cast
[16:15:36] <tjtr33> i know, od was ground so i didnt see anything
[16:16:02] <cradek> tjtr33: yikes, hope nobody got hurt
[16:16:17] <cradek> those are some pretty lousy rotors
[16:16:49] <tjtr33> i'm ok, limped home on hand brake
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[16:19:37] <CaptHindsight> what auto parts chain did they come from?
[16:20:13] <KimK> Top of picture says Autozone
[16:20:57] <archivist> you want your money back and extra for new underwear
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[16:21:32] <knbb> Hmm emc?
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[16:21:48] <knbb> Is this the channel for EMC?
[16:21:56] <jdh> not the EMC storage
[16:22:02] <CaptHindsight> either really good high friction brake pads or really low grade alloy rotors
[16:22:21] <knbb> jdh is there such a channel? FOr storage
[16:22:35] <knbb> Or better, for emc specifically?
[16:22:48] <jdh> no idea... sorry.
[16:22:55] <knbb> Np, ty anyway
[16:23:00] <archivist> freenode is about opensource and free so unlikely
[16:23:25] <knbb> Well, there is a Windows channel :)
[16:23:36] <archivist> sad
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[16:24:12] <tjtr33> archivist, i really did tear my shorts and the old jeans when angrily ripping the parts off in the rain at night :) i think i said some bad things too [ enuf ot ]
[16:24:41] <archivist> I imagine they will need a number of channels for disgruntled win 8 users
[16:26:20] <jdh> windows doesn't seem as bad to windows users as it does to 'us'
[16:27:34] <cradek> yay for managing expectations
[16:27:58] <jdh> MS, lowering expectations for 25 years
[16:28:33] <Jymmm> jdh: What makes you think they ever RAISED them in the first place?
[16:29:19] <jdh> I didn't imply they did.
[16:29:33] <Jymmm> jdh: After all these decades, M$ STILL doesn't have a bootable recovery media.
[16:29:45] <Jymmm> jdh: They are the only one, everyone else does.
[16:29:58] <jdh> ENOPARSE
[16:30:13] <skunkworks> bootable recovery media?
[16:30:23] <jdh> I started with VMS & unix...
[16:30:51] <Jymmm> skunkworks: Yeah, shit happens... toss in your install media and boot form it, do your repairs/recovery, etc
[16:30:58] <Jymmm> from*
[16:31:07] <jdh> I've done that in windows
[16:31:15] <jdh> for years
[16:31:31] <Jymmm> jdh: Nah, you have the CLI shits.
[16:31:34] <skunkworks> Jymmm, you can boot off the cd to the 'recovery conosle' which is pretty much dos command line..
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[16:31:41] <archivist> I too have repaired win systems with the recovery disk ok
[16:31:51] <Jymmm> skunkworks: Yeah, that's not what I'm talking about.
[16:32:16] <skunkworks> do you mean something like a 'live cd' (in linux terms?) then no.
[16:32:19] <Jymmm> OSX/Linux LiveCD sorta thing.
[16:32:39] <jdh> there is a mini-bootable XP
[16:33:04] <Jymmm> jdh: It's a clusterfuck to configure though.
[16:33:24] <jdh> ok. I guess I won't use it anymore then.
[16:33:53] <Jymmm> jdh: Especially things like network drivers so you can image your hdd before it totally fails, etc.
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[16:34:43] <skunkworks> I have fixed a lot of microsoft machines using the linux livecd...
[16:34:47] <Jymmm> jdh: OSX is obscenly easy in comparison.
[16:35:04] <Jymmm> skunkworks: Yep, me too, far too many.
[16:35:09] <skunkworks> yep
[16:36:17] <Jymmm> skunkworks: This is the best overall be it M$ or nix
http://www.sysresccd.org/
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[16:36:36] <Jymmm> skunkworks: even has a PXE server
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[16:37:01] <skunkworks> cool
[16:37:02] <knbb> I really need some EMC storage help, any idea to where I could turn?
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[16:37:17] <jdh> knbb: call emc support?
[16:37:19] <Jymmm> knbb:
http://na.com/
[16:37:41] <knbb> I cannot call them atm
[16:37:56] <CaptHindsight> knbb: have you considered making your own cnc mill?
[16:37:59] <knbb> A shot in the dark, I know this isn't the place to ask. Sry
[16:38:00] <archivist> heh, you have to pay the bill
[16:38:13] <knbb> cnc mill?
[16:38:14] <ReadErro-> emc -> pay money -> they fix
[16:38:14] <knbb> :)
[16:38:25] <Jymmm> knbb:
http://www.netapp.com/
[16:38:35] <ReadErro-> netapp = lhame
[16:38:40] <cradek> knbb: freebsd+zfs is an awesome storage solution
[16:38:50] <ReadErro-> VNX or GTFO
[16:38:52] <ReadErro-> ;)
[16:38:55] <Jymmm> cradek: That's FreeNAS btw
[16:39:04] <knbb> using VNX
[16:39:06] <ReadErro-> cradek, thats far from enterprise level storage though
[16:39:23] <ReadErro-> i run that at home though
[16:39:24] <cradek> heh, yeah not buzzword-compliant enough
[16:39:43] <ReadErro-> cradek, well scalability wise
[16:39:43] <Jymmm> ReadErro-:
http://www.ixsystems.com/
[16:39:47] <cradek> also not expensive enough and there's not enough lock-in
[16:40:37] <ReadErro-> cradek, its not buzzword or cost, its performance and scalability
[16:40:54] <ReadErro-> when you have hundreds of drives, a simple freebsd box wont cut it
[16:41:02] <archivist> linuxcnc has lock-in....low price and feeeeeeeatures
[16:41:08] <Jymmm> ReadErro-: sure it will.
[16:42:26] <ReadErro-> well i do this on a day to day basis, and i must respectfully disagree
[16:42:45] <Jymmm> ReadErro-: How's a petabyte sound?
http://blog.backblaze.com/2009/09/01/petabytes-on-a-budget-how-to-build-cheap-cloud-storage/
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[16:43:48] <cradek> that's actually linux and not zfs
[16:44:00] <Jymmm> $117K vs $2.9M
[16:44:00] <ReadErro-> yes, lets trust millions of dollars worth of data on some concept idea..
[16:44:17] <Jymmm> ReadErro-: It's not concept, they actually use that
[16:44:36] <cradek> this is so OT... sorry I started it
[16:44:42] <jdh> heh
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[16:45:01] <cradek> or can we blame knbb?
[16:45:11] <Jymmm> cradek: we can
[16:45:20] <cheesepuff> anyone maybe have some ideas on settng up MPG pendant. I have attached to extra pci card
[16:45:25] <knbb> haha
[16:45:54] <cradek> cheesepuff: you can hook an mpg to any set of inputs and use the software encoder module to count it
[16:45:55] <ReadErro-> Jymmm, i dont see any redundancy built in to that at all
[16:46:01] <ReadErro-> if 1 mobo dies you are SOL
[16:46:10] <ReadErro-> EMC has heavy redundancy built in
[16:46:17] <cheesepuff> and when I use hal meter to look at parport.1.pin-04-in pretty sure I should see an change when the switched is selected.
[16:46:20] <cradek> or if you have hardware encoder counters use one of those
[16:46:59] <cradek> cheesepuff: ok sounds like you need to explain more about what you have and what problem you are having
[16:48:25] <cheesepuff> cradek: I'm just using a extra pci card c22 pendant interface.
[16:48:39] <cradek> sorry I have no idea what that is
[16:49:21] <Jymmm> ReadErro-: LOL we spent $1.4M with EMC, brought it to it's knees, they ended up giving us $167K worth of more gear to compensate. it was funny. They thought we were exaggerating are needs =)
[16:49:33] <cradek> OH STOP
[16:49:42] <cradek> GRR
[16:49:56] <cheesepuff> cnc4pc.com C22 card.
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[16:50:09] <cradek> aha
[16:50:20] <cradek> have you asked them for help?
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[16:51:13] <cradek> or do you have a link to specs for the hardware etc?
[16:52:26] <ReadErro-> you cant throw a bunch of crappy SATA cards in a chassis and call it reliable enterprise storage Jymmm
[16:52:37] <cheesepuff> http://tinyurl.com/3yqd4lv
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[16:53:04] <tjtr33> http://cnc4pc.com/Tech_Docs/C22-Pendant_Interface_Board_Rev2.pdf
[16:53:04] <ReadErro-> not to mention that doesnt even include SAS or SSD drives
[16:53:17] <CaptHindsight> tjtr33: did you visit Amerimold 2013 in Rosemont?
[16:53:46] <willburrrr2003> Good day all, Who here is familiar with the modbus functions, I have a question on addressing....
[16:54:01] <CaptHindsight> went yesterday since it overlapped with SUR-FIN and Fastener Tech
[16:54:43] <tjtr33> CaptHindsight, got a dead car right now ( scroll back :( did they have EDM ?
[16:55:16] <cheesepuff> C22 is wired up to pendant just like that...
[16:56:37] <CaptHindsight> tjtr33: a little, talked to Poco Graphite about EDM for micro-edm applications using 2 photon polymerization to make smaller tips
[16:57:01] <tjtr33> cheesepuff, you'll need to make a cable from the c22 to a parallel port ( or other digital io ), using the 'mach3' names as a guideline
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[16:58:02] <tjtr33> CaptHindsight, did you read the article on printing graphite electrodes? some japanese uni working on the idea, in irc chat of the last 7 days
[16:58:28] <CaptHindsight> tjtr33: show was pretty small, yeah, that was my post under my other nick :)
[16:58:55] <tjtr33> CaptHindsight, are you working with l84supper? wicker park dlp printing?
[16:59:03] <tjtr33> oh
[16:59:04] <willburrrr2003> When addressing the slave in Modbus setup, do I put the modbus address in the Modbus element block (example Idec PLC M11 is modbus address 001010)
[17:04:44] <CaptHindsight> tjtr33: not sure if we will make it down to Wichita, battling with RTAI, kernels and Linuxcnc issues
[17:04:52] <cheesepuff> tjtr33: did all that.. so far think I just need to figure out confgurtion issues
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[17:05:06] <IchGuckLive> hi all B)
[17:05:31] <willburrrr2003> or is that address block for the number of the plc component i am trying to address (ex M11, i would enter 11 in the block)?
[17:05:38] <CaptHindsight> if we get it stable by next week maybe we'll bring a PC down to play with, I'm sure we can find something to hook it up to :)
[17:07:32] <CaptHindsight> there's an RTAI kernel patch now for v3.8
[17:08:01] <IchGuckLive> willburrrr2003: M11 has different funktions on what version are you 2.5.0 git 2.6.pre master
[17:09:29] <CaptHindsight> tjtr33:
http://amerimold13.mapyourshow.com/5_0/exhibitor_results.cfm?type=parentcategory&parentcategory=1A
[17:09:39] <CaptHindsight> EDM vendors at show ^^
[17:10:03] <willburrrr2003> M11 is the internal IDEC relay number, like %B in classicladder, not an M code in linuxcnc
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[17:10:28] <willburrrr2003> I am just trying to figure out why I am having issues setting up Modbus communications
[17:10:40] <IchGuckLive> ok
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[17:11:18] <tjtr33> CaptHindsight, thx
[17:11:23] <IchGuckLive> im in trouble with the usb gamepad as it kicks out fro time to time and then i need to walk long long ways
[17:11:53] <willburrrr2003> when the Modbus " communications error" pops up, it doesn't tell me what generated the error, is there an erro log that I can look at to see what caused it?
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[17:16:55] <cheesepuff> how do you tell which I/O ports are running in?
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[17:17:25] <IchGuckLive> cheesepuff: HAL
[17:17:30] <cheesepuff> loadrt hal_parport cfg="0x378 0xbc00 in"
[17:17:38] <pcw_home> USB is not a good industrial protocol
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[17:18:08] <IchGuckLive> cheesepuff: the halmeter holds a list of the pins
[17:18:14] <IchGuckLive> parport.1
[17:18:29] <IchGuckLive> there you see if its in or out
[17:18:46] <cheesepuff> yeah it's in
[17:19:11] <IchGuckLive> the halmeter also shows True or false
[17:19:41] <cheesepuff> hmm maybe wiring issue I see can see pin-05-in flip true false
[17:20:36] <IchGuckLive> the signal connecting to this pin is in hal-show
[17:21:14] <IchGuckLive> if you put it on the watchlist you see more then one pin at the time
[17:22:12] <IchGuckLive> with your parport config you shoudt get 13more inputs
[17:23:52] <Tom_itx> ok, i've got an issue i'm not sure where to begin to diagnose. When running a program, midway thru a cutter path it will hang and won't continue unless i restart from the beginning. Sometimes during this, linuxcnc will ask me to insert the next tool when it's nowhere near time to do so. Occasionally i will get this error message: "can't do that (EMC_TASK_PLAN_RUN) in manual mode"
[17:24:03] <Tom_itx> http://tom-itx.dyndns.org:81/~webpage/cnc/configs/sherline/
[17:24:09] <Tom_itx> are the latest config files for it
[17:24:50] <Tom_itx> i did try increasing the SERVO_PERIOD thinking that might help but it didn't
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[17:25:43] <IchGuckLive> tom is there a manuel board hooked up to the mashine
[17:26:02] <IchGuckLive> buttons axis haleffect sensors
[17:26:40] <Tom_itx> 7i43 7i47
[17:27:02] <Tom_itx> all the wiring is shielded including the steppers
[17:27:20] <Tom_itx> manual limit switches and 1 ir sensor for the spindle speed
[17:27:36] <Tom_itx> using debounce on the limits
[17:28:14] <IchGuckLive> (EMC_TASK_PLAN_RUN) im getting this all the time on my usb jojpads
[17:28:14] <Tom_itx> at first i thought it might be because the shop was too hot but it was cool this morning so i thought i'd try it again but no joy
[17:29:06] <Tom_itx> also sometimes my pendant will hang but jogging the axis using the axis screen will allow it to continue working normally
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[17:29:24] <IchGuckLive> you got 4 halui in your ini something is trying to trigger this
[17:30:43] <Tom_itx> i might try removing the counters and see if that makes a difference
[17:30:48] <Tom_itx> cycle counters
[17:31:09] <IchGuckLive> i confused also the interpreter by OR cammanding pendant usb and pyvcp
[17:31:40] <Tom_itx> i tried 2 different PCs too
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[17:31:56] <Tom_itx> the atom did work a bit better than the old clunker but still got errors
[17:32:33] <Tom_itx> one running 8.04 and the other running 10.04 both on 2.5.2 ver
[17:32:54] <IchGuckLive> i got 25 all the same and only 4-6 are troubeling all the same config the same gamepad
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[17:34:21] <Tom_itx> i increased the SERVO_PERIOD from 1000000 to 1500000 and it didn't seem to make any difference
[17:34:43] <Tom_itx> base period not used
[17:36:30] <cheesepuff> ok not wiring
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[17:37:49] <IchGuckLive> cheesepuff: you dont need a reset time for the second IN parport
[17:38:13] <IchGuckLive> therfor it might toggle
[17:39:34] <CaptHindsight> PCW: how many 7i65's can the 7i68 support?
[17:39:50] <pcw_home> Tom_itx: bad memory or hard drive?
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[17:40:17] <Tom_itx> mostly new equipment
[17:40:21] <Tom_itx> tried 2 pcs
[17:40:22] <pcw_home> 4 (firmware limitations) 6 is hardware max
[17:40:32] <Tom_itx> the atom board is next to new
[17:40:50] <cbjamo> I'm getting an error, I think its related to axis, but I'm not sure. "HAL: ERROR: pin_new(halui.jog.selected.increment) called with already-initialized memory"
[17:41:35] <cbjamo> I'm using ja3, that may be important.
[17:42:01] <CaptHindsight> tjtr33: have you ever used the T-slot from Frame-World
http://www.frame-world.com/ ?
[17:42:52] <pcw_home> Tom_itx: Not sure how the interpreter can skip ahead
[17:43:12] <Tom_itx> it's got me baffled a bit
[17:43:35] <CaptHindsight> pcw_home: trying to decide on what combination of boards to use for 7 servo's and lots of IO
[17:43:40] <pcw_home> Did this just start (and if so what changed)
[17:43:44] <Tom_itx> bbl but if you think of something i'll read about it when i get back
[17:44:25] <pcw_home> what kind of I/O?
[17:44:47] <CaptHindsight> tjtr33: their factory is 10 minutes away but they only sell through distis 1hr away
[17:46:24] <IchGuckLive> cbjamo: hi INCREMENTS = in displaysec initalisises this
[17:47:02] <CaptHindsight> pcw_home: 50 pairs LVDS
[17:48:05] <cbjamo> IchGuckLive: My machine is metric, so INCREMENTS has 5, 1, .2, .1, .05, .01, and .005mm
[17:48:11] <IchGuckLive> cbjamo: page 157 in the integreater manual
[17:48:33] <cbjamo> thanks
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[17:50:14] <IchGuckLive> cbjamo: what are you trying to do
[17:50:27] <cbjamo> um, are you sure that is the right page? 157 refences pluto-step pinout...
[17:50:51] <IchGuckLive> V2.5
[17:51:22] <IchGuckLive> search for halui.jog.selected.increment
[17:52:14] <cbjamo> Get my hal file set up. It stops giving the error if I set [TRAJ]AXES=6.
[17:54:03] <IchGuckLive> cbjamo: geometry ?
[17:54:24] <IchGuckLive> dident you use joints
[17:54:31] <IchGuckLive> ja3
[17:54:33] <cbjamo> Like a ganrty, but two motors for every axis rather than just y
[17:54:45] <cbjamo> yes, I'm using ja3.
[17:54:52] <IchGuckLive> ja3 needs joints no axes
[17:55:17] <IchGuckLive> 6. is an error
[17:55:23] <IchGuckLive> no dot
[17:55:45] <cbjamo> right, I have [KINS]JOINTS=6
[17:55:59] <cbjamo> that was just a period, I don't have a dot in the file.
[17:59:13] <IchGuckLive> cbjamo:
http://linuxcnc.org/docs/html/gui/halui.html
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[18:00:57] <cbjamo> hmm, I don't have halui.jog.selected.increment in my hal file.
[18:01:26] <IchGuckLive> as you use joints it might be halui.joint
[18:01:45] <IchGuckLive> http://www.linuxcnc.org/index.php/german/forum/49-basic-configuration/22342-jog-increments-using-a-6-position-selector-switch
[18:01:57] <Jymmm> Bastards... Waterpik.com product "Lifetime warranty" is in reality a one-time-only replacement.
[18:02:51] <IchGuckLive> cbjamo: there is now mux8 available for a selector
[18:03:12] <IchGuckLive> cbjamo: keep in mind the first needs always to be zero
[18:04:50] <cbjamo> I don't have a physical ui, I'm just going to use axis.
[18:05:29] <IchGuckLive> ok im off as its late here by till tomorrow !
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[18:12:36] <skunkworks> Tom_itx, I would be looking at your halui connections... maybe disabling them and testing.
[18:14:29] <archivist> Tom_itx, I have a pc with a thermal problem, is it time related after the cpu is worked hard
[18:22:05] <tjtr33> CaptHindsight, (sorry working on car ) re frameworld: nope, but i think they're a fav of JT's , so i'd say it was good stuff.
[18:22:55] <tjtr33> CaptHindsight, (sorry workin on car) i have not used frameworld but iirc JT sez its good stuff & price
[18:28:00] <CaptHindsight> tjtr33: no problem, let me know what route you took and how long the drive is to Wichita, Google estimates 11+ hours
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[18:37:15] <Tom_itx> archivist, no this happens even at first startup
[18:37:27] <Tom_itx> on both pc's
[18:37:40] <Tom_itx> i will look at halui and disable a few things
[18:38:07] <Tom_itx> all the recent configs are on the link i posted...
[18:38:33] <Tom_itx> if you happen to see anything unusual
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[18:43:59] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: What USB devices do you have connected to it?
[18:44:28] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: And What make/model is the mobo?
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[18:49:54] <willburrrr2003> is there an error log I can look at when I get A "Modbus communication failure" message, to see why the failure was/is?
[18:52:21] <FinboySlick> www.youtube.com/watch?v=zMhVPId-pRA Now here's what I call being forced into shape.
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[18:59:49] <Jymmm> FinboySlick: The thing that gets me is there was ZERO hesitation/resistance... YOU WILL COMPLY... "SQUISH"
[19:07:54] <CaptHindsight> http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&feature=fvwp&v=2suW1kgiw-0 this was next after that video
[19:07:56] <Tecan> (2suW1kgiw-0) "Explosive panel forming with oxy/acetylene - the first attempt." by "ksv04" is "Autos" - Length: 0:05:11
[19:09:24] <Jymmm> This (the video itself) just seems "dated" to me...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=44XD5mZoM_0
[19:09:26] <Tecan> (44XD5mZoM_0) "Roll Forming" by "SteelFormingSystems" is "Tech" - Length: 0:06:41
[19:13:13] <CaptHindsight> I should make something cheaper than makerslide using roll formed cold roll
[19:14:06] <CaptHindsight> but then I'd have to make a video to prove that it works :)
[19:22:37] <archivist> its old technology book:- High velocity forming of metals American Society of Tool and Manufacturing Engineers 1964
[19:23:43] <cheesepuff> hmm maybe wiring issue I see can see pin-05-in flip true false
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[19:24:32] <cheesepuff> oops
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[19:26:04] <archivist> hehe
[19:30:27] <CaptHindsight> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Small-Garage-Sized-Bridgeport-1-2-HP-Milling-Machine-Vise-Veriscope-INV-11246-/230992817697?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item35c83eae21 when did Bridgeport make a 0.5hp 4250rpm head?
[19:34:17] <fragalot_> "sized right for your small garage"
[19:34:20] <fragalot_> I find this offensive.
[19:34:51] <fragalot_> lol, just noticed the massive "NO CANADIAN BASTARDS"
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[19:35:49] <Aero-Tec> can one turn on and off the A axis rollover with Gcode?
[19:36:34] <Aero-Tec> I want to cut a circle and have 360 be 0
[19:37:13] <Aero-Tec> now when I go to 0 it goes all the way around back to 0
[19:37:42] <Aero-Tec> I know there is a ini 360 roll over
[19:37:59] <Aero-Tec> but would like to know if I can control it from gcode
[19:38:54] <CaptHindsight> fragalot_: heh, quite a character
[19:42:40] <Aero-Tec> I am not seeing any Gcode for axis roll over
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[19:43:11] <Aero-Tec> but there is one I thought that would let you reset 0 with gcode
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[19:43:30] <Aero-Tec> is that doable?
[19:47:10] <fragalot_> should be
[19:47:39] <fragalot_> not sure about proper gcode, but on my 3D printer, I often use m92 E0 to reset the E axis
[19:47:46] <fragalot_> sorry, not 92
[19:47:55] <fragalot_> G92
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[19:51:06] <Aero-Tec> G10 L2 P1 A0
[19:51:19] <Aero-Tec> looks like that one would be the right way
[19:54:20] <Aero-Tec> G92.2 maybe
[19:54:57] <Aero-Tec> G92 looks to do more then I need
[19:55:36] <Aero-Tec> also says something about moving all the the axis offsets
[19:55:43] <Aero-Tec> not sure how that works
[19:55:54] <Tecan> rinky do
[20:00:11] <cradek> no you can't change the wrapped-rotary setting from gcode
[20:00:32] <cradek> of course you can set an offset that makes the current position become zero
[20:02:41] <Aero-Tec> some thing like this
[20:02:44] <Aero-Tec> G10 L20 P1 A[#<NumberOfDeg>-360]
[20:02:59] <Aero-Tec> I over shoot 0 by 10 deg
[20:03:24] <Aero-Tec> so that should make A axis be at 10 deg
[20:03:29] <cradek> not sure I understand your situation
[20:03:39] <Aero-Tec> so a0 will be a short trip
[20:03:50] <cradek> maybe you should be using wrapped rotary mode
[20:05:11] <Aero-Tec> was hoping to be able to use gcode to sim wrapped rotary
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[20:05:30] <cradek> why don't you want wrapped rotary?
[20:05:38] <Aero-Tec> save restarts and zero resettings and such
[20:06:07] <Aero-Tec> I think I have EMC save the setting when shutting down
[20:06:33] <Aero-Tec> as maybe I could do a restart and not loose Zero
[20:07:18] <Aero-Tec> what I am doing not is a one off
[20:07:23] <cradek> I'm not really following you
[20:07:46] <Aero-Tec> did not want to restart software for a quick and simple one off
[20:08:03] <Aero-Tec> I set the axis zero by hand
[20:08:12] <Aero-Tec> edge finder
[20:08:21] <Aero-Tec> no home switches
[20:08:47] <Aero-Tec> so no quick and simple way to home and zero things
[20:09:03] <cradek> I don't understand what any of that has with the choice of using wrapped rotary or not
[20:09:10] <cradek> has to do with
[20:10:05] <Aero-Tec> wrap is not turned on right now, so I would have to shut down and make a new INI with wrap turned on, with start EMC again
[20:10:28] <Aero-Tec> then not with
[20:11:01] <Aero-Tec> or is there a way to load new ini and not restart the program
[20:11:45] <cradek> but you could have edited the ini and restarted a hundred times by now.
[20:11:51] <Aero-Tec> is there a quick and easy way to turn wrap on?
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[20:12:04] <cradek> yes, edit the ini and restart linuxcnc
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[20:12:16] <Aero-Tec> true, but I am learning
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[20:12:49] <cradek> if you move the machine to a known point (g0 g53 x0 y0 z0 a0) before you shut down, you can pretty much keep track of your position
[20:12:56] <Aero-Tec> I thought it needed a restart to turn on axis wrap
[20:12:57] <cradek> just move it to wherever you consider home
[20:13:14] <cradek> brb
[20:13:46] <Aero-Tec> that would work, but what about the backlash?
[20:14:20] <Aero-Tec> will it keep track of the back lash directions for each axis?
[20:15:40] <Aero-Tec> I think I have EMC save things when it quites
[20:15:57] <Aero-Tec> not sure if backlash is one of them
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[20:27:45] <tjtr33> CaptHindsight, Thx! new front rotors installed, tests ok, thinking of going Chi->LakeOfTheOzarks->Wichita
[20:27:47] <tjtr33> (stay overnite in
http://www.mostateparks.com/lodging-unit/57780/lake-ozarks-state-park-outpost-cabin-1 )
[20:28:00] <andypugh> Is a 1925 lathe going to use UNC or ASME threads?
[20:28:50] <tjtr33> CaptHindsight, crap! " Single-night reservations are not accepted "
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[20:30:08] <andypugh> Ring and ask, they might be desperate.
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[20:41:52] <Tom_itx> Jymmm, it's the Intel Atom D525 MB and no usb devices connected to it
[20:42:40] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: No kybd/mouse?
[20:42:45] <Tom_itx> i'm gonna strip out the halui stuff and try it
[20:42:52] <roycroft> i thought unc was developed during wwii
[20:42:52] <Tom_itx> both ps2
[20:43:02] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: k
[20:43:34] <roycroft> so the yanks and brits could screw each other as easily as they screw themselves
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[21:14:12] <andypugh> roycroft: Yes, that was my thought. So what thread standard did you use before that?
[21:15:02] <DJ9DJ> gn8
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[21:18:25] <Tom_itx> ok i went back to a 'stock' linuxcnc. removed the postgui stuff and ran the file. it still stalls midway through a cut.
[21:18:57] <roycroft> we used amse while you used whitworth
[21:19:51] <roycroft> and i think it was after the war when the unified thread standard became widely adopted
[21:19:59] <roycroft> around 1950 or so
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[21:43:37] <andypugh> Tom_itx: That's pretty unusual.
[21:43:53] <Tom_itx> i can't seem to figure it out
[21:44:10] <Tom_itx> everything is shielded and rewired
[21:44:18] <Tom_itx> tried 2 PCs
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[21:45:33] <Tom_itx> removed the references to postgui.hal and display.xml
[21:46:01] <Tom_itx> i'll try a different parport cable just to see
[21:47:55] <Tom_itx> axis doesn't lock up but the gcode quits executing
[21:48:24] <andypugh> That's not the normal way round.
[21:48:39] <Tom_itx> i'm sure open to suggestions
[21:48:45] <micges> Tom_itx: can you pastebin that gcode?
[21:48:49] <micges> ,
[21:48:51] <andypugh> Does the rt system carry on running (if, for example, you twiddle a limit switch?)
[21:48:55] <Tom_itx> yeah but it's nothing unusual
[21:49:14] <Tom_itx> andypugh, i can check when i return from an errand
[21:49:32] <andypugh> There is no chance that something is randomly setting feed-hold? (maybe it is wired to a floating pin)
[21:49:37] <Tom_itx> no
[21:49:46] <Tom_itx> it does too odd of things
[21:49:59] <Tom_itx> like sometimes it asks for a tool change when it halts
[21:50:05] <Tom_itx> midway thru a cut
[21:50:40] <andypugh> Your computer is haunted. No other explanation.
[21:51:14] <Tom_itx> i honestly don't know where to start debugging
[21:51:28] <Tom_itx> back in a while...
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[22:17:14] <Aero-Tec> Tom_itx, what Gcode are you running?
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[22:18:08] <Aero-Tec> some one asked for it to be paste bin, sound like a good idea
[22:18:38] <gene78> Hey guys, whats with the 2.6.0pre branch, update-manager shows it to me, but won'tr take the check in the box
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[22:19:55] <gene78> The problem is that I need the -dev stuff to get comp, but the versions don't match, so I can't pull the -dev stuffs
[22:20:09] <Aero-Tec> I have not seen that
[22:22:10] <gene78> I fired up synaptic but thats in a libmodbus dependency hell
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[22:23:26] <gene78> Din-din time, back later
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[22:42:50] <andypugh> gene78: I thought you already had comp working?
[22:45:11] * pfred1 has a comp working
[22:45:51] <pfred1> http://i.imgur.com/OjNG078.png
[22:46:21] <pfred1> I'm probably going to change the Window Manager to Fluxbox though
[22:46:42] <pfred1> I just wanted to see what LinuxCNC was like in Trinity :)
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[22:47:26] <pfred1> I still might give Gentoo another shot too now that I know of a few build issues
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[22:49:04] <Tom_itx> http://tom-itx.dyndns.org:81/~webpage/cnc/cnc_files/Cube.txt
[22:49:11] <Tom_itx> there's the cnc file
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[22:49:20] <Tom_itx> doesn't stop in the same place
[22:49:23] <Tom_itx> random
[22:49:37] * pfred1 didn't like The Cube
[22:49:37] <Tom_itx> so far always after the first tool
[22:50:06] <Tom_itx> andypugh, i'll go try the limits this time
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[22:58:35] <atom1> andypugh, the limit switches are still active when it stalls
[22:58:59] <andypugh> So, RTAI is still running.
[22:59:13] <atom1> appears so
[22:59:30] <atom1> spindle stays on, just stops moving
[22:59:49] <pfred1> servo spindle?
[23:00:00] <atom1> no, it's a standard sherline
[23:00:14] <atom1> no spindle control except on off
[23:00:31] <pfred1> andypugh you did a servo spindle didn't you?
[23:00:31] <andypugh> pfred1: Sort-of
[23:00:53] <pfred1> your one gear video where the spindle is slaved ot the axis
[23:01:46] * pfred1 needs "stalls" explained
[23:01:56] <andypugh> Yes, I have done that twice now in fact.
[23:02:37] <pfred1> what stalls the program the PC the mill?
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[23:03:38] <andypugh> pfred1: The program
[23:03:42] <pfred1> oh
[23:03:57] <pfred1> best thing to do there is install fron git and try that
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[23:04:10] <pfred1> hope whatever is wrong got fixed
[23:04:44] <pfred1> that is what I would do at any rate
[23:05:00] <andypugh> I think that it is more likely to find less rather than more reliability in a dev build.
[23:05:34] <pfred1> oh I don't know it probably worked for someone I think I'm running a git build right now
[23:05:52] <andypugh> I think this has to be a local problem, or there would be more complaints. When you swapped PCs I don't suppose you swapped the memory across or anything like that?
[23:06:31] <pfred1> the biggest problem I ever had with the CD image was related to video drivers
[23:06:54] <pfred1> I tried to run the live image with an ATI card in a system and it just froze up
[23:07:34] <micges> atom1: does it stall each time on same gcode?
[23:07:38] <pfred1> swapped it for a nvidia card and it worked fine
[23:07:44] <atom1> no
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[23:07:47] <atom1> random
[23:08:01] <pfred1> random sounds like RAM
[23:08:18] <pfred1> RAm errors can be very random
[23:08:30] <pfred1> maybe that is why they call it random access memory?
[23:08:41] <atom1> came back out and a whole screen full of errors with it sitting idle
[23:09:21] <micges> what errors?
[23:09:26] <pfred1> errors in a terminal?
[23:09:45] <pfred1> like text errors?
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[23:10:00] <pfred1> like something you could possibly paste into pastebin?
[23:10:22] <atom1> i didn't check, just shut it down and am changing the parport cable
[23:10:40] <pfred1> not all parallel cables are created equally
[23:10:58] <pfred1> when choosing cables go for fatter ones
[23:11:02] <atom1> i've been using both of these though for quite a long time
[23:11:09] <atom1> these are
[23:11:15] <andypugh> I almost guarantee the parport cable has nothing to do with it.
[23:11:17] <pfred1> yeah the skinny ones skimp on grounds
[23:11:43] <atom1> andypugh, i tend to agree but i try to check everything
[23:12:04] <micges> atom1: after linuxcnc start do in terminal: echo "4" > /proc/rtapi/debug
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[23:12:35] <atom1> micges, when it errors or anytime?
[23:12:41] <micges> when it stops again please save dmesg output
[23:13:01] <micges> right after start
[23:13:07] * pfred1 likes syslog too
[23:13:35] <andypugh> micges: The problem seems to be in the interp. So turning on the userspace logging might help too.
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[23:13:40] <pfred1> if they really had system errors they are probably logged in syslog
[23:13:50] <atom1> how do i copy dmesg to a file?
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[23:14:02] <pfred1> dmesg > file.txt
[23:14:14] <atom1> it should still be there shouldn't it?
[23:14:25] <pfred1> well dmesg gets rewritten on boot
[23:14:33] <pfred1> but errors in syslog will still be there
[23:14:42] <atom1> i haven't rebooted since all those errors
[23:15:00] <pfred1> then give it a look
[23:15:10] <micges> atom1: add [EMC]DEBUG = 0x7FFFFFFF to your ini file also
[23:15:10] <atom1> i'll post it
[23:15:36] <pfred1> this system has a nagging error I never got around to fixing that spams my dmesg
[23:15:49] <pfred1> [353790.844023] usb 2-6: reset high speed USB device using ehci_hcd and address 2
[23:15:58] <micges> atom1: and set terminal to infinite lines
[23:16:10] <pfred1> I can echo something to something else in /proc and fix it but I usually don't bother
[23:16:32] <pfred1> you can less dmesg
[23:16:45] <pfred1> dmesg | less
[23:17:38] <pfred1> then you get to page back
[23:17:46] <atom1> http://tom-itx.dyndns.org:81/~webpage/cnc/cnc_files/dmesg.txt
[23:19:26] <micges> atom1: yes, that's it, post here again after rtapi debug enabled and error shows up
[23:19:49] <atom1> where do i add it in the ini?
[23:19:53] <andypugh> What thread is a screw that is 0.147" OD and 40tpi?
[23:20:05] <micges> [EMC] section
[23:20:09] <atom1> 4-40?
[23:20:16] <atom1> no
[23:20:19] <atom1> that's smaller
[23:20:24] <pfred1> 4-40 is tiny
[23:20:29] <andypugh> .112
[23:20:41] <andypugh> (actually less)
[23:21:10] <atom1> 6-40 takes a .113 drill
[23:21:19] <pfred1> well I just measured a 4-40 and got .104
[23:21:32] <andypugh> Need to subtract .00625 for the thread rounding.
[23:21:45] <atom1> that's for a tap drill
[23:22:09] <andypugh> No. That's different.
[23:22:10] <pfred1> andypugh sounds like you have a "special"
[23:22:28] <atom1> then the threads go to 8-36
[23:22:39] <pfred1> 8-32 is common
[23:22:44] <atom1> 6 is probably the largest standard fine thread
[23:22:52] <atom1> 8-36 is fine
[23:23:10] <pfred1> hmm if I hit those they probably end up in a beats me bucket here
[23:23:16] <atom1> ^^ 6 with 40 threads
[23:23:44] <andypugh> Looks like 8-40.
[23:23:49] <ssi> I need to finish up and publish the threadcalc iphone app I wrote a couple years ago
[23:23:53] <micges> 'nite
[23:24:02] <atom1> andypugh, you sure it's not 36?
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[23:24:12] <atom1> that's standard fine
[23:24:34] <pfred1> sure you can't just run it throug ha die?
[23:24:40] <andypugh> That's .164 nominal. Knock off .00625 for the thread-flats, and that leaves .158. The fattest of the screws I measured is .157.
[23:24:52] <andypugh> (the others are .147)
[23:24:55] <atom1> sitting idle i get "can't do that (EMC_TASK_PLAN_RUN) in manual mode
[23:25:19] <andypugh> It's definitely 40tpi. I wanted it to be 36 :-)
[23:25:21] <ssi> andypugh: remember the flat callout changes with pitch
[23:25:28] <andypugh> It's 1/8P
[23:25:31] <atom1> heh
[23:26:05] <ssi> ok, as long as you remember ;)
[23:26:06] <pfred1> atom1 sounds like lyrics from an 80s pop song
[23:26:12] <andypugh> atom1: Something is sending random messages to your system.
[23:26:37] <pfred1> no, no, can't do that!
[23:28:23] <atom1> ok i added that to the ini
[23:28:25] <atom1> now what?
[23:28:27] <pfred1> I often wonder if a jounraling filesystem is the best thing to run on an RT system
[23:28:27] <andypugh> I just googled for 8-40 ASME. The first hit was no help to me at all.
[23:28:45] <pfred1> I use EXT2 and just take the risk
[23:29:08] <pfred1> [ 2.532334] EXT4-fs (sda1): mounted filesystem with ordered data mode
[23:29:12] <atom1> i'll try running the file again
[23:29:24] <pfred1> atom1 did you set the debugging flag?
[23:29:35] <atom1> yes
[23:29:40] <pfred1> OK just checking
[23:30:29] <atom1> where does that log to?
[23:30:49] <pfred1> should log to dmesg or perhaps /var/log/syslog or messages
[23:31:03] <pfred1> just do tail -f /var/log/syslog
[23:31:09] <atom1> ok just stopped midway thru the cut and asked for a tool change
[23:31:10] <pfred1> and you can see crap pop up in real time
[23:31:30] <pfred1> it'll like scroll for you
[23:34:44] <atom1> posted new dmesg, same link
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[23:36:17] <pfred1> you can copy paste pretty easily in terminals too
[23:36:49] <Roguish> Hey out there.. Can the Mesanet 7i43 be used with stepper motors
[23:37:17] <pfred1> atom1 is your parallel port disabled in your bios?
[23:37:27] <atom1> i don't think so
[23:37:34] <pfred1> atom1 [ 2029.533653] hm2_7i43.0: board at (ioaddr=0x0378, ioaddr_hi=0x0778, epp_wide ON) found
[23:37:41] <atom1> it wouldn't work at all if it were?
[23:37:50] <pfred1> ioaddr=0x0378 is the standard IO port for a parallel port
[23:38:01] <atom1> epp mode?
[23:38:06] <pfred1> any mode
[23:38:19] <atom1> lemme go check
[23:38:21] <pfred1> that is the address
[23:38:22] <atom1> back soon
[23:38:51] <atom1> i haven't reset it so it should be
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[23:38:57] <pfred1> I don't know maybe there isn't a conflict
[23:39:10] <pfred1> but it sure is something I'd look at
[23:39:36] <pfred1> long and hard
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[23:41:21] <atom1> it's enabled in EPP mode
[23:41:35] <pfred1> atom1 OK so is this board connected to the standard parallel port throug ha cable?
[23:41:43] <atom1> yes
[23:41:46] <pfred1> OK you'
[23:41:48] <atom1> i swapped cables too
[23:41:51] <pfred1> OK you're OK then
[23:42:09] <pfred1> I thought it was maybe an internal board trying to sit on the same IO
[23:42:29] <atom1> no, bare bones atom D525
[23:42:37] <atom1> nothing on the USB either
[23:42:49] <pfred1> PS/2?
[23:42:56] <atom1> kbd and mouse
[23:43:06] <pfred1> well they're round jacks right?
[23:43:11] <atom1> yes
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[23:43:26] <pfred1> PS/2 is actually higher performance than USB for keyboards and mice
[23:43:37] <pfred1> no polling
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[23:45:51] <atom1> ok, mdi i just told it to move to x0 y0 and it didn't make it all the way
[23:46:02] <atom1> stopped about .2 from the destination
[23:46:16] <pfred1> are you tailing syslog with the debugging flaf set?
[23:46:19] <pfred1> flag even
[23:46:22] <atom1> soon after that the axis jumped a bit
[23:46:36] <atom1> it's not open atm
[23:46:43] <atom1> after rebooting
[23:46:53] <pfred1> well how are you supposed to spot events if you're not looing for them?
[23:46:59] <pfred1> looking even
[23:47:24] <pfred1> something kooky is going on and you have to catch it in the act
[23:47:35] <atom1> tis on now
[23:48:17] <pfred1> if this doesn't work you may have to build LinuxCNC with debugging symbols or something esoteric like that
[23:49:32] <pfred1> which is only fun to a limited segment of the population
[23:49:45] <atom1> not this segment
[23:49:54] <pfred1> yeah I'm not very keen on it myself
[23:50:05] <pfred1> but sometimes we have to go these places
[23:50:35] <pfred1> beats the alternative shich is getting the mushroom treatment
[23:50:53] <pfred1> you know be kept in the dark and fed crap
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[23:58:39] <PCW> when it stops can you read some HAL pins?
[23:59:03] <atom1> well it just locked up the whole system there for a bit
[23:59:22] <atom1> i had to close lcnc with the keyboard commands
[23:59:22] <pfred1> supposedly an app called screen can help there
[23:59:24] <atom1> no mouse
[23:59:28] <PCW> Hm bad hard drive?
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[23:59:46] <atom1> i'm getting similar errors on 2 different pcs
[23:59:58] <PCW> with all different parts?
