#linuxcnc | Logs for 2013-05-22

[00:00:12] <andypugh> Sometimes, but they charge more for delivery typically.
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[00:00:45] <andypugh> Mouser were much cheaper for servo connectors.
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[00:01:18] <Tom_itx> what type?
[00:01:23] <andypugh> M23
[00:01:43] <andypugh> They still cost me twice as much as the servos themselves did.
[00:01:48] <Tom_itx> heh
[00:02:10] <Tom_itx> are you gettin those from Califor n i a?
[00:02:18] <Tom_itx> servos
[00:02:32] <andypugh> ?
[00:02:44] <Tom_itx> someone here posted them
[00:02:51] <Tom_itx> bunch of cheap servos i thought
[00:02:57] <andypugh> Ah, yes, no. I forgot about those.
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[00:03:25] <Tom_itx> if i had something to put them on i would
[00:03:55] <andypugh> Yes, I have the same thing, really. I already have a number of bargain servos with no homes. :-)
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[00:05:03] <Tom_itx> jt should be hittin Charlotte about now i'd think
[00:05:25] <Tom_itx> it's 19hrs from here and he's a state or two closer
[00:14:03] <andypugh> I just checked my servos. There is a huge 1kW one, 5000rm, 1.5Nm. And a small 0.63kW one, 5000rpm, 2.5Nm. The big boy is about 10x the weight. The little one has a brake taking up a good part of the volume. Something isn't quite adding up.
[00:14:40] <andypugh> I never managed to figure out the encoder on the little one, either.
[00:15:13] <Tom_itx> not your standard AB Y
[00:15:47] <andypugh> No
[00:16:02] <Tom_itx> what voltage out?
[00:17:15] <andypugh> No idea
[00:17:36] <andypugh> This is the big one, by the way. I paid £10 for mine: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Reliance-1326AB-B410G-21-Servo-Motor-460V-WOW-/320730761315
[00:19:13] <andypugh> Ah! big boy is a resolver.
[00:19:40] <andypugh> Which is fine by me, I like resolvers.
[00:19:55] <PetefromTn> I got one if you want to buy it LOL...
[00:21:50] <andypugh> I just bought this on eBay http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/261214253903 which should sort out the little motor mystery encoder problem :-)
[00:24:31] <andypugh> The little motor is one of these: http://www.ebay.com/itm/170973045161
[00:24:55] <andypugh> But the version with a brake. Which I don't need.
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[00:26:38] <FinboySlick> What do you drive it with?
[00:27:54] <andypugh> Nothing at the moment.
[00:28:12] <andypugh> i can't figure out the encoder
[00:28:37] <FinboySlick> I'd assume one would need fairly complicated electronics to drive those.
[00:28:39] <Tom_itx> do you have a scope to hook to it?
[00:30:11] <FinboySlick> Bit of CNC Porn: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q9ck3kktHRM
[00:30:13] <Tecan> (Q9ck3kktHRM) "Chiron Mill Series" by "engtechgroup" is "Tech" - Length: 0:07:34
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[00:30:41] <FinboySlick> They move so smooth... I wonder if they use linear motors.
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[00:32:45] <PetefromTn> Good lord I can think of about a million ways to crash the hell out of that baby...LOL
[00:33:07] <andypugh> Tom_itx: http://literature.rockwellautomation.com/idc/groups/literature/documents/in/tl-in001_-en-p.pdf says that it is a battery-backed absolute encoder. (option B),
[00:33:17] <FinboySlick> 3:47 is the impressive bit to me.
[00:33:29] <FinboySlick> So incredibly fast.
[00:34:19] <FinboySlick> The mill's like inertia? What's that?
[00:35:39] <FinboySlick> Fancy toolchanger at 6:00 too.
[00:36:21] <PetefromTn> some MOTHER trunnions too..
[00:37:24] <FinboySlick> For anyone feeling generous, I'll take any one of those for my birthday.
[00:37:37] <PetefromTn> dear santa....LOL
[00:38:20] <PetefromTn> That toolchanger is the same one basically used on some of the retrofitted Chiron machines you see on youtube. Pretty sweet design.
[00:38:23] <Tom_itx> forgings are a pita
[00:39:50] <Tom_itx> are those hydraulic clamps they're using too?
[00:39:52] <PetefromTn> would'nt mind finding some work machining castings or forgings....for the right pay.
[00:40:14] <skunkworks> dirty dirty work :)
[00:40:37] <skunkworks> I think we are still cleaning cast iron shavings out of the k&t
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[00:40:56] <andypugh> Forgings should be clean enough.
[00:42:00] <andypugh> Page 13 of that manual says that I have no chance of mking that encoder work for me :-)
[00:42:30] <FinboySlick> andypugh: It's french? ;)
[00:42:37] <Tom_itx> no
[00:42:39] <PetefromTn> yeah but it pays cash money right..
[00:42:51] <andypugh> FinboySlick: You need pretty complicated software to run brushless motors. But we have pretty complicated software :-)
[00:43:50] <andypugh> I already run brushless motors + resolvers on my milling machine: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=haO5ZJq-Y3c
[00:43:50] <Tecan> (haO5ZJq-Y3c) "That's better" by "andy pugh" is "Tech" - Length: 0:00:18
[00:44:05] <FinboySlick> andypugh: Hehe... That was a reference to french productivity though, not their complexity.
[00:44:45] <andypugh> You mean those French guys who work about half the hours of their US colleagues, for the same output?
[00:45:26] <PetefromTn> Hey I resemble that remark LOL
[00:45:38] <FinboySlick> andypugh: Hey, I'm from Quebec, I'm allowed to pick on the French.
[00:46:00] <PetefromTn> Sorry did you say you were french?
[00:46:21] <andypugh> I work for a US company, on a French engine.
[00:46:58] <Tom_itx> sounds catestropic
[00:47:13] <FinboySlick> Actually, they have pretty good engineering.
[00:47:20] <PetefromTn> or catastrophic..
[00:47:22] <FinboySlick> But they suffer from unionitis.
[00:47:44] <andypugh> The French seem to only be there long enough to get their jobs done, but they do. My US colleagues seem infected with a bad case of "presenteeism". Ie, they put in really long hours, even when they have nothing to do, because it is expected.
[00:48:14] <PetefromTn> I'm in a union, yeah, it's me, and uhh...ME!
[00:48:21] <Tom_itx> andypugh, those are union
[00:48:27] <Tom_itx> non union get it done
[00:48:31] <PetefromTn> It's also my favorite charity..
[00:49:16] <andypugh> Tom_itx: I am talking salried here, not hourly-paid.
[00:49:18] <Tom_itx> give our govt to self employed personel and we would show a profit in a few years time
[00:49:55] <Tom_itx> there are union engineers etc as well
[00:50:16] <andypugh> Yes, but the Union doesn't explain the hours they attend for.
[00:50:24] <FinboySlick> Tom_itx: Around here, they're secret guilds that would make the Free Masons blush.
[00:51:03] <FinboySlick> Complete with toga seremony with the anvil and the ring and the secret codewords.
[00:51:07] <FinboySlick> ceremony
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[00:51:46] <FinboySlick> Stewards of the common people and the secret sciences and blah blah...
[00:53:32] <Aero-Tec> going nuts here
[00:54:00] <Aero-Tec> trying to get a sub to work when it calls a file based sub
[00:54:11] <Aero-Tec> can not fine file
[00:54:15] <Aero-Tec> error
[00:55:18] <Aero-Tec> SUBROUTINE_PATH = /home/stan/emc2/nc_files/Stans-subs
[00:55:24] <Aero-Tec> in INI file
[00:55:32] <Aero-Tec> and subs are in that dir
[00:55:55] <Aero-Tec> should there be a ending / ?
[00:56:18] <Tom_itx> chmod?
[00:56:32] <Aero-Tec> o<cut_circle_rotory_table> call [#<tooldia>][#<FeedRateAaxis>]
[00:56:37] <Aero-Tec> call to sub
[00:56:48] <Aero-Tec> chmod?
[00:56:54] <Tom_itx> does it see the file?
[00:56:55] <Aero-Tec> not sure what you mean
[00:57:08] <Aero-Tec> seems not
[00:57:15] <Aero-Tec> not sure why
[00:57:26] <Tom_itx> does it have read rights?
[00:57:31] <Aero-Tec> set permisions to 777
[00:58:16] <Aero-Tec> least it should be, not sure using the GUI
[00:58:34] <Aero-Tec> not sure how to check it
[00:59:11] <Aero-Tec> things look right in the GUI
[01:00:15] <Aero-Tec> full sub call
[01:00:18] <Aero-Tec> o<cut_circle_rotory_table> call [#<tooldia>][#<FeedRateAaxis>][#<inside>][#<rpm>][#<feedrate>][#<inc-cutDepth>][#<fCutDepth>][#<zsafe>][#<zstart>][#<z-man-auto>][#<cen-x>][#<cen-y>][#<DiaCircle>][#<RadCircle>][#<StartDeg>][#<NumberOfDeg>]
[01:00:30] <Aero-Tec> is that to long for a sub call?
[01:00:57] <Aero-Tec> loaded the sub as a program and no errors
[01:01:16] <Aero-Tec> there were some but I fixed them
[01:01:36] <Aero-Tec> AFAIK
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[01:05:49] <Tom_itx> ther is 1 cap in the path is that correct?
[01:06:45] <Aero-Tec> would that screw things up?
[01:06:54] <Aero-Tec> looks like your correct
[01:07:19] <pcw_home> yep unix is case sensitive
[01:07:32] <Aero-Tec> cool
[01:07:36] <Aero-Tec> thanks a mill
[01:07:57] <Aero-Tec> I was checking over and over and every thing looked right
[01:09:38] <pcw_home> one way to check is to copy/paste the subroutine path into a terminal
[01:09:40] <pcw_home> so you type:
[01:09:42] <pcw_home> ls subroutinepath/yoursubname
[01:10:10] <pcw_home> or cat subroutinepath/yoursubname
[01:11:49] <andypugh> Aero-Tec: Everything that passes through G-code ends up lower-case.
[01:13:00] <andypugh> Also, it may be that LinuxCNC can spell "rotary" better than you can :-)
[01:13:43] <Aero-Tec> so if the dir has upper case, the Gcode would convert it all to lower case then they would not match, is that right?
[01:13:51] <Aero-Tec> lol
[01:14:01] <Aero-Tec> I suck at spelling
[01:14:13] * Tom_itx steals Aero-Tec's caps key and throws it away
[01:14:58] <Aero-Tec> I write is so I can read it
[01:14:59] <andypugh> Aero-Tec: Yes. (I have seen this before)
[01:15:21] <Aero-Tec> thanks for the help
[01:15:27] <Aero-Tec> new to linux
[01:15:41] <Aero-Tec> not that I am a windows fan
[01:15:42] <andypugh> I think, to confuse matters, it isn't a problem using MDI_COMMAND
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[01:16:07] <Aero-Tec> hate it but I had to use it so did not get into linux like I would have liked
[01:16:09] <andypugh> This is the connector that my £10 servo motor needs two of: http://www.alvatek.com/pages/part_detailx.php?part=SP02QRE1801P147#
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[01:18:49] <Tom_itx> maybe they'll send you a couple samples
[01:19:14] <pcw_home> Thats optimism for you
[01:19:25] <Tom_itx> heh
[01:19:29] <PetefromTn> Hey gru!!
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[01:24:22] <tjb1> anyone here do iRacing?
[01:24:41] <Aero-Tec> still will not work
[01:24:52] <Aero-Tec> can not open file is the error
[01:25:12] <Aero-Tec> the dir was small S
[01:25:20] <andypugh> Looks to be a specific connector only used on those motors!
[01:25:22] <andypugh> http://www.sineco.com/1326AB-Motor-Connector-Kits-with-Backshells_ep_242.html
[01:25:36] <Tom_itx> figures
[01:26:21] <Aero-Tec> not sure if I restarted EMC
[01:26:25] <Aero-Tec> will try that
[01:28:00] <andypugh> And, to make it even more fun, the Allen Bradley name for the cable assembly is 1394.
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[01:29:45] <andypugh> Aero-Tec: Some good hints here: http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?SubProgramFiles
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[01:30:56] <Aero-Tec> no go, restart did nothing
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[01:33:57] <Aero-Tec> SUBROUTINE_PATH = /home/stan/emc2/nc_files/stans-subs
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[01:34:10] <Aero-Tec> is that the problem?
[01:34:23] <Aero-Tec> should I move it to
[01:34:46] <Aero-Tec> SUBROUTINE_PATH = /home/stan/emc2/nc_files/Stans-subs
[01:34:47] <Aero-Tec> ?
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[01:35:12] <Aero-Tec> if so how do I add the path to what is there all ready?
[01:35:13] <BJfreeman> has anyone ported to debian 7 A13
[01:35:46] <Aero-Tec> oops
[01:35:55] <Aero-Tec> copy and past did not work
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[01:36:34] <Aero-Tec> PROGRAM_PREFIX = /home/stan/emc2/nc_files
[01:36:53] <Connor> PetefromTn: Any progress today?
[01:37:18] <Tom_itx> : separates paths
[01:38:24] <Aero-Tec> PROGRAM_PREFIX = /home/stan/emc2/nc_files /home/stan/emc2/nc_files/Stans-subs
[01:38:25] <Aero-Tec> ?
[01:38:41] <Aero-Tec> PROGRAM_PREFIX = /home/stan/emc2/nc_files,/home/stan/emc2/nc_files/Stans-subs
[01:38:43] <Aero-Tec> ?
[01:38:54] <PetefromTn> Connor Well I finished deburring those parts and was supposed to get them picked up and paid but alas tomorrow it seems LOL.,
[01:38:58] <PetefromTn> You?
[01:39:00] <Tom_itx> PROGRAM_PREFIX = /home/stan/emc2/nc_files:/home/stan/emc2/nc_files/Stans-subs
[01:39:28] <Aero-Tec> thanks
[01:39:32] <Aero-Tec> will try this
[01:39:32] <Connor> PetefromTn: Just normal work stuff.. You get a chance to look around for some steel that might work as a lift plate for my PDB?
[01:39:59] <PetefromTn> It's been kinda thundering and lightening for awhile now so I would probably not be running the machine even if I had something to make on it.
[01:40:42] <Aero-Tec> same here
[01:41:03] <Aero-Tec> been storming all day
[01:41:04] <PetefromTn> Connor No I am sorry I forgot. Been kinda worried about my wife. She found a lump in her breast yesterday and is going in for a test tomorrow.
[01:41:23] <Connor> PetefromTn: Oh crap. That sucks.
[01:41:38] <Connor> I'll keep her in my thoughts.
[01:41:39] <Aero-Tec> hope it turns out well for her
[01:41:47] <PetefromTn> Yeah we are praying for good news and would appreciate anyone else doing the same.
[01:41:57] <Aero-Tec> scary thing to deal with
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[01:42:26] <Connor> I probably should get 1 or two 4 flute end mills for steel work.. I just have no idea what to get..
[01:42:29] <PetefromTn> Well as my father used to say, not going to worry until there is something to worry about.
[01:43:10] <PetefromTn> Maritool has some nice coated multi flutes for steel.
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[01:45:18] <plasticman> Anyone know of anything opensource that you can make solids or surfaces in? I am used to masterscam, but want to find something that is "ok" that I can run from linux.
[01:48:31] <BJfreeman> plasticman look at http://www.povray.org/download/linux.php
[01:48:49] <plasticman> k, thanks
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[01:52:56] <PetefromTn> Connor Whatdya say the dimensions were on that thing?
[01:53:07] <Connor> 4.5" x 2.5" x .5"
[01:53:23] <PetefromTn> Lemme look, dacia is asleep now.
[01:53:39] <Aero-Tec> not sure whats wrong
[01:53:45] <Aero-Tec> still will not work
[01:53:57] <Aero-Tec> even moved the file to the
[01:54:38] <Aero-Tec> ~/home/stan/emc2/nc_files
[01:54:47] <Aero-Tec> dir and still will not load
[01:55:02] <Aero-Tec> why can it not find the file?
[01:55:04] <Tom_itx> chmod?
[01:55:13] <Aero-Tec> am I editing the wrong INI?
[01:55:20] <Aero-Tec> looks good
[01:55:28] <Aero-Tec> looks to be 777
[01:55:51] <Aero-Tec> the file was made in win, would that screw things up?
[01:56:19] <Aero-Tec> how whould I convert it to 100% linux?
[01:56:41] <Aero-Tec> or is that even a problem
[01:56:55] <Aero-Tec> going nuts here
[01:57:05] <Aero-Tec> been working on this all day
[01:57:36] <jdh> see if you have dos2unix installed
[01:57:59] <Aero-Tec> how?
[01:58:09] <jdh> type 'dos2unix' and see if anything happens
[01:58:25] <Aero-Tec> I have the live EMC cd installed
[01:58:40] <Aero-Tec> and then up graded to linuxcnc
[01:59:04] <cpresser> if the file is 777, the directory where it is in might not be accessible
[01:59:22] <cpresser> execute 'su user' and see if you can read the file
[01:59:34] <Aero-Tec> thought 777 let every one in to the file
[01:59:59] <cpresser> except people who are not allowed into that directory :)
[02:00:13] <Aero-Tec> the dir is 777 as well
[02:00:31] <Aero-Tec> will check other dirs to see if they are 777
[02:00:49] <Aero-Tec> thought they were, but will check
[02:01:13] <Aero-Tec> my win box can see and read it as well as write it
[02:01:37] <Aero-Tec> mined you the file was created in win
[02:01:37] <cpresser> i recommend not to use 777; better add a user/group and set usefull permissions
[02:02:23] <Aero-Tec> the win bao set user to nobody, if mem servers me right
[02:02:31] <Aero-Tec> win box
[02:02:46] <PetefromTn> Connor Okay man yeah I got several pieces that should work. A bunch of 1" thick pieces that are much larger than that and a couple 3/4 pieces that are smaller but large enough. Only problem is my bandsaw blade is smoked right now. I need to get another one. Then I can cut them to the size you need.
[02:05:22] <Connor> ok
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[02:08:23] <PetefromTn> Might be able to pickup a new blade towards the end of the week.
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[02:20:46] <Aero-Tec> ok I converted it to unix
[02:20:52] <Aero-Tec> still will not work
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[02:21:43] <Aero-Tec> how can I make sure linuxcnc is uning the dir I think it is?
[02:21:54] <Aero-Tec> using
[02:22:11] <FinboySlick> Aero-Tec: First thing that comes to mind would be strace... But that may be a bit overkill.
[02:22:49] <jdh> heh
[02:23:12] <Aero-Tec> what /nc_files file location does linuxcnc look at?
[02:23:33] <Aero-Tec> it started with EMC and was upgraded to linuxcnc
[02:23:52] <Aero-Tec> maybe I messed up in the conversion
[02:23:58] <Aero-Tec> or something
[02:24:11] <Aero-Tec> not sure
[02:24:46] <FinboySlick> Aero-Tec: I doubt it's the case, though I'm not very experienced with calling subs.
[02:24:57] <Aero-Tec> never heard of strace
[02:25:07] <jdh> strace knows all
[02:25:33] <jdh> strace linuxcnc > trace.out
[02:25:50] <Aero-Tec> is that like google is god?
[02:25:59] <jdh> no, google is just a search engine
[02:26:12] <Aero-Tec> but with google you get a answer, unlike god
[02:26:25] <Aero-Tec> I know
[02:26:27] <jdh> don't you blaspheme!
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[02:26:58] <Aero-Tec> I have never got a answer from god, but have got tons from google
[02:27:22] <Tom_itx> right or wrong google answers
[02:27:24] <FinboySlick> Aero-Tec: But Jesus was carrying you, that's why there were only one set of footsteps.
[02:27:36] <Aero-Tec> lol
[02:27:44] <jdh> "because we go single-file to confuse the enemy scouts"
[02:28:08] <Aero-Tec> was raised in the church so I know what about what you have said
[02:28:43] <jdh> show us on the doll where he touched you.
[02:29:02] <Aero-Tec> Tom_itx both, more wrong than right ones for sure, but still I got answers
[02:29:11] <Aero-Tec> lol
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[02:29:33] <pcw_home> where is the subroutine file now?
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[02:30:47] <Aero-Tec> =/home/stan/emc2/nc_files/stans-subs
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[02:31:21] <Aero-Tec> copied it to /home/stan/emc2/nc_files, but that did not work ether
[02:31:36] <Aero-Tec> so removed it from there
[02:32:03] <FinboySlick> I have a feeling your issue is something very trivial and silly but we just can't see it.
[02:32:07] <Aero-Tec> there are no files located at /home/stan/emc2/nc_files
[02:32:34] <pcw_home> so if you type cat /home/stan/emc2/nc_files/stans-subs/cut_circle_rotory_table
[02:32:36] <FinboySlick> do you see the content of the file when you type: cat /home/stan/emc2/nc_files/yourfile.nc
[02:32:36] <pcw_home> does it list your file?
[02:32:53] <Aero-Tec> there is another nc_files location that has a whack of files
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[02:32:57] <pcw_home> is the .nc assumed
[02:33:01] <pcw_home> ?
[02:33:25] <Aero-Tec> nc?
[02:33:31] <Aero-Tec> .ngc
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[02:33:41] <Aero-Tec> should it be nc?
[02:34:12] <Aero-Tec> thought emc used ngc
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[02:34:27] <FinboySlick> Aero-Tec: I was just guessing. Whatever your file is named.
[02:34:35] <FinboySlick> Aero-Tec: The idea is to see if you have the right path.
[02:34:43] <pcw_home> so what is your subroutine named
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[02:35:33] <Aero-Tec> cut_circle_rotory_table.ngc
[02:35:44] <jdh> misspelled?
[02:35:51] <Aero-Tec> I know
[02:36:04] <Aero-Tec> but same evey where
[02:36:21] <Aero-Tec> the call has same spelling
[02:36:24] <pcw_home> so does
[02:36:26] <pcw_home> cat /home/stan/emc2/nc_files/stans-subs/cut_circle_rotory_table.ngc
[02:36:28] <pcw_home> list your file?
[02:36:44] <Aero-Tec> will find out
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[02:39:41] <Tom_itx> umm
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[02:39:57] <Tom_itx> did you change emc2 to linuxcnc in your paths or leave it?
[02:41:02] <atom1> SUBROUTINE_PATH = /home/tom/linuxcnc/nc_files/ngcgui_lib:/home/tom/linuxcnc/nc_files/ngcgui_lib/utilitysubs
[02:41:06] <atom1> USER_M_PATH = /home/tom/linuxcnc/nc_files/ngcgui_lib/mfiles:/home/tom/linuxcnc/nc_files/
[02:41:10] <Aero-Tec> pcw_home: yes it did list my sub, showed the text inside of it
[02:41:12] <Tom_itx> those are mine
[02:42:03] <pcw_home> ok cat you cut/paste your subroutine path here again
[02:42:17] <atom1> PROGRAM_EXTENSION = .txt XYZ Post Processor
[02:42:32] <atom1> add that for different file extensions beside .ngc
[02:43:05] <pcw_home> SUBROUTINE_PATH?
[02:43:28] <Aero-Tec> it is /home/stan/emc2/nc_files/stans-subs/cut_circle_rotory_table.ngc
[02:44:44] <Aero-Tec> [FILTER]
[02:44:44] <Aero-Tec> PROGRAM_EXTENSION = .png,.gif,.jpg Greyscale Depth Image
[02:44:44] <Aero-Tec> PROGRAM_EXTENSION = .py Python Script
[02:44:44] <Aero-Tec> png = image-to-gcode
[02:44:44] <Aero-Tec> gif = image-to-gcode
[02:44:44] <Aero-Tec> jpg = image-to-gcode
[02:44:45] <Aero-Tec> py = python
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[02:45:11] <pcw_home> it shouldn't include a file name
[02:45:32] <Aero-Tec> atom1: you want me to add PROGRAM_EXTENSION = .txt XYZ Post Processor ?
[02:45:43] <atom1> i use .txt on my gcode
[02:45:46] <atom1> you may not
[02:46:12] <pcw_home> can you copy paste the SUBROUTINE_PATH part of your ini file here?
[02:46:13] <Aero-Tec> PROGRAM_PREFIX = /home/stan/emc2/nc_files:/home/stan/emc2/nc_files/stans-subs
[02:46:13] <Aero-Tec> SUBROUTINE_PATH = /home/stan/emc2/nc_files/stans-subs
[02:46:35] <gammax-Laptop1> would you guys recomend something diff than 1018 for a tool holder on a lathe?
[02:46:48] <atom1> do you need a '/' on the end?
[02:47:08] <pcw_home> I dont think so
[02:47:10] <Aero-Tec> the sample I looked at did not have that
[02:47:16] <Aero-Tec> samples
[02:48:05] <Aero-Tec> could there be a error in the file that is stopping it from loading?
[02:48:24] <atom1> are those in [RS274NGC] ?
[02:49:05] <atom1> try a very simple sub until you get it working
[02:49:06] <Aero-Tec> [RS274NGC]
[02:49:06] <Aero-Tec> PARAMETER_FILE = emc.var
[02:49:11] <Aero-Tec> display
[02:49:31] <Aero-Tec> in the display section
[02:50:19] <atom1> PROGRAM_PREFIX = /home/tom/linuxcnc/nc_files/
[02:50:35] <atom1> that is the only path in my [DISPLAY] section
[02:52:09] <Aero-Tec> what if the file was a link to anouther dir?
[02:52:23] <Aero-Tec> would that mess things up?
[02:52:45] <atom1> couldn't tell you
[02:52:51] <Aero-Tec> it does not have the link symble
[02:53:34] <Aero-Tec> I did a drag and drop, I think that make a link and not a copy
[02:53:44] <Aero-Tec> will try that
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[02:56:44] <Aero-Tec> ok, it looks like that is not the case
[02:56:51] <Aero-Tec> one ends in a %
[02:57:01] <Aero-Tec> the other one does not
[02:57:12] <Aero-Tec> so it copied not linked
[02:59:11] <Aero-Tec> checked and it was converted to unix
[02:59:45] <Aero-Tec> is there some other INI or config file I should look at?
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[03:00:32] <pcw_home> are you sure you are using the ini file you think you are?
[03:01:00] <Aero-Tec> I have gone through it manualy and it looks to be the right one
[03:01:09] <Aero-Tec> but how can I tell for sure?
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[03:02:04] <Aero-Tec> can double check, mind you I have checked it several times before as well
[03:02:19] <pcw_home> launch linuxcnc from the command line in the directory your ini file is in
[03:02:30] <Aero-Tec> is there some way to find out in linuxcnc?
[03:02:40] <pcw_home> linuxcnc foobar.ini
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[03:09:16] <Aero-Tec> got warnings ini file contained dos line endings
[03:10:50] <pcw_home> well perhaps that should be fixed for cleanliness and godliness
[03:12:10] <Aero-Tec> just did, I hope
[03:12:24] <Aero-Tec> will see if that fixes problem
[03:15:23] <Aero-Tec> still not working
[03:15:31] <Aero-Tec> dos problem fixed
[03:15:43] <Aero-Tec> still can not find file
[03:15:52] <Aero-Tec> does it need to be exe?
[03:16:01] <Aero-Tec> never checked that
[03:16:23] <Aero-Tec> thought it was a text file ran inside of linuxcnc
[03:16:31] <Aero-Tec> so no exe needed
[03:17:05] <Aero-Tec> I ran it from the terminal so I know I got the right INI file
[03:17:30] <Aero-Tec> also reworked the hal file for dos just in case
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[03:19:28] <Aero-Tec> just did a dos conversion to the Gcode file
[03:19:40] <Aero-Tec> the calling file to see if that fixes it
[03:21:38] <Aero-Tec> no go
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[03:33:18] <Aero-Tec> did a very simple gcode and sub
[03:33:24] <Aero-Tec> still will not work
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[03:33:49] <Aero-Tec> %
[03:33:50] <Aero-Tec> (.NC)
[03:33:50] <Aero-Tec> ( MACH 3 - ENGLISH)
[03:33:50] <Aero-Tec> (WED. 03/26/2008 04:17PM)
[03:33:50] <Aero-Tec> ( T1 CENTER DRILL , DIAMETER = .5 , LENGTH = 5.)
[03:33:50] <Aero-Tec> G0 G20 G49 G40 G17 G80 G90
[03:33:50] <Aero-Tec> G90G0
[03:33:51] <Aero-Tec> o<testsub> call
[03:33:52] <Aero-Tec> G90G0
[03:33:52] <Aero-Tec> M30
[03:33:52] <Aero-Tec> %
[03:34:00] <Aero-Tec> and the sub is
[03:34:17] <Aero-Tec> o<testsub> sub
[03:34:17] <Aero-Tec> o<testsub> endsub
[03:34:47] <Tom_itx> what is the sub called?
[03:35:54] <Aero-Tec> testsub.ngc
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[04:00:49] <Aero-Tec> ok, some how the owner of the sub files was changed
[04:00:53] <Aero-Tec> fixed that
[04:01:03] <Aero-Tec> still will not work
[04:01:48] <Aero-Tec> can the path be to long for it to work?
[04:02:06] <Aero-Tec> is there a path length limit in linux?
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[04:03:22] <Aero-Tec> not sure why this file sub thing is not working
[04:04:20] <Aero-Tec> works on my lathe, so why not the mill?
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[04:26:28] <Aero-Tec> tried more things and still not working
[04:27:15] <Aero-Tec> even renamed the old testsub file and made a new one in linux
[04:27:47] <Aero-Tec> one thing is owner is stan Stan
[04:28:01] <Aero-Tec> not sure why, lathe is just stan
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[04:28:28] <Aero-Tec> have looked for other things different from lathe to mill
[04:28:52] <Aero-Tec> have not found anything yet, other then the stan thing
[04:30:08] <Aero-Tec> tried sudo chown
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[05:24:38] <confrey> hi everybody
[05:24:54] <confrey> I'mlookingfor some help
[05:25:55] <confrey> I installed LinuxCNC distribution, but my notebook doen't start with rtai kernel,it stops soon
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[05:36:41] <Aero-Tec> looks like the lathes not working ether
[05:36:54] <Aero-Tec> thought it was, and it might have been
[05:37:18] <Aero-Tec> ran chown and changed owner
[05:37:34] <Aero-Tec> if it was working, now it is not
[05:37:50] <gammax-Laptop1> I need the name for a site...
[05:38:06] <gammax-Laptop1> Im opening a business and will be making conversion kits for mills and lathes to be cnc...
[05:38:16] <gammax-Laptop1> Any thoughts guys?
[05:38:35] <Aero-Tec> gammaxcnc
[05:39:02] <Aero-Tec> gammax custom cnc
[05:39:26] <gammax-Laptop1> lol something people will go to
[05:39:49] <Aero-Tec> worlds best cnc guy
[05:39:57] <Aero-Tec> lol
[05:40:18] <Aero-Tec> the one stop shop for cnc
[05:40:34] <Aero-Tec> mighty mouse cnc
[05:40:37] <Aero-Tec> lol
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[05:40:53] <Aero-Tec> what did you have in mind?
[05:40:54] <gammax-Laptop1> lol
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[05:41:33] <Aero-Tec> hanks cnc shop
[05:41:44] <Aero-Tec> or fred or what ever
[05:42:08] <Aero-Tec> king of the hill cnc
[05:42:17] <Aero-Tec> am I getting close?
[05:42:21] <Aero-Tec> any help?
[05:42:23] <Aero-Tec> lol
[05:43:05] <Aero-Tec> super duper cnc
[05:43:20] <Aero-Tec> the cnc guy
[05:43:28] <Aero-Tec> your cnc guy
[05:43:37] <Aero-Tec> every ones cnc guy
[05:43:39] <Aero-Tec> lol
[05:43:49] <Aero-Tec> should I keep going?
[05:45:54] <gammax-Laptop1> no
[05:45:59] <gammax-Laptop1> there just getting worse
[05:46:00] <gammax-Laptop1> ol
[05:46:26] <Aero-Tec> what did you have in mind?
[05:47:30] <Aero-Tec> hitech cnc
[05:47:40] <Aero-Tec> complete cnc
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[05:48:39] <Aero-Tec> cnc retrofit central
[05:48:55] <Aero-Tec> is that more to your liking?
[05:49:47] <Aero-Tec> or am I fired?
[05:49:50] <Aero-Tec> lol
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[05:55:02] <Aero-Tec> well I tried
[05:55:14] <Aero-Tec> good luck with the new biz
[05:55:45] <Aero-Tec> gammax-Laptop1: BTW where are you located?
[05:56:15] <gammax-Laptop1> Denver
[05:56:33] <gammax-Laptop1> Im thinkin about tridentcnc.com
[05:57:02] <Aero-Tec> that works
[05:57:14] <Aero-Tec> as good as any
[05:58:29] <gammax-Laptop1> yeah...
[05:58:31] <gammax-Laptop1> I figured
[05:59:36] <archivist> until you find it is a name in use http://www.trident-cnc.com.tw/
[06:00:36] <archivist> also check the trademark register
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[06:07:15] <sensenku> Hi EVERYONE
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[06:07:59] <sensenku> how are you?
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[06:08:16] <sensenku> I ave a lot of questions, who can help me?
[06:09:06] <archivist> just ask the real questions
[06:10:09] <sensenku> archivist, ok. can I cut or engrave smth in laser engraver and cutter machine?
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[06:11:50] <archivist> yes/no/maybe/insufficient data for meaningful answer
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[06:12:48] <sensenku> No one could answer? :(
[06:13:01] <Aero-Tec> they did
[06:13:11] <Aero-Tec> more info would help
[06:13:41] <Aero-Tec> if your wanting info on laser
[06:13:57] <Aero-Tec> and wanting to engrave and cut
[06:14:23] <Aero-Tec> when a 40 watt, maybe even 60 watt will do
[06:14:27] <gammax-Laptop1> anyone good with photoshop?
[06:14:43] <Aero-Tec> will depeand on what your wanting to cut and how fast
[06:14:45] <archivist> gammax-Laptop1, I use gimp
[06:14:45] <gammax-Laptop1> or a free version varient? I need something edited and im not so up on my skills!
[06:15:08] <gammax-Laptop1> archivist, that may do the job... I dont need anything crazy done my logo finished up.
[06:15:17] <archivist> one can be "inventive" with images
[06:15:37] <Aero-Tec> lasers over 60 watts are not so good for engraving, so I hear
[06:15:59] <Aero-Tec> they say 40 watts is betterfor engraving things
[06:16:06] <gammax-Laptop1> from what I know a 60watt will sinter.
[06:16:12] <archivist> I often cheat an take a picture off axis to avoid flash reflections and pull it back into shape in gimp
[06:16:19] <sensenku> Aero-Tec, yes I want to know if it s possible in Linux, in my work all uses windows and I love open source and Linux, and want to integrate fully Ubuntu
[06:16:31] <sensenku> thats why I want to learn LinuxCNC
[06:17:02] <archivist> the answer is yes some learning required, people are doing it
[06:17:14] <Aero-Tec> linuxcnc will run a laser
[06:17:40] <Aero-Tec> much learning is needed
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[06:18:05] <sensenku> my Laer is 80W
[06:18:26] <sensenku> is it nice for engraving and cutting on LinuxCNC?
[06:18:54] <Aero-Tec> I want to do laser work as well some day, was looking into what I should get
[06:19:08] <Aero-Tec> thinking bigger is better....LOL
[06:19:37] <Aero-Tec> but read that 40 is better if your wanting to engrave things
[06:20:07] <Aero-Tec> as the power levels can be turned down to engraving levels
[06:20:09] <sensenku> it s a Laser Engraver and cutter machine , model is 1290
[06:21:15] <sensenku> https://www.google.az/search?q=1290+laser&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:ru:official&client=firefox-a&um=1&ie=UTF-8&hl=ru&tbm=isch&source=og&sa=N&tab=wi&ei=r2OcUafxMYXl4QTCu4DYDg&biw=1429&bih=789&sei=tGOcUeCwBsL_4QSrp4CoCA#imgrc=Qk8eSHTYKPEBLM%3A%3B4yJ_I8j9evEvDM%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww.lulusoso.com%252Fupload%252F20120612%252FJK1290_Laser_cutting_machine.jpg%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww.lulusoso.com%252Fproducts%252FWood-Cutting-Mac
[06:21:20] <sensenku> this one
[06:21:59] <Aero-Tec> some things can be engraved with high power, some things are distroyed with the higher power
[06:22:11] <Aero-Tec> so I have read
[06:22:25] <Aero-Tec> but what do I know, never ran a laser
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[06:22:40] <Aero-Tec> hope to soon
[06:22:42] <sensenku> wooooow, so I have to test, but I do not now where to start?
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[06:22:57] <sensenku> and we have a wood miling machine too
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[06:23:17] <Aero-Tec> what are you engraving?
[06:23:22] <sensenku> and I d like to run linuxcnc to cur and engrave woods or other materials
[06:23:37] <Aero-Tec> very doable
[06:23:55] <Aero-Tec> and would be a good choise
[06:23:58] <gammax-Laptop1> is there a line tool in gimp?
[06:24:36] <Aero-Tec> but the learning curve can be high, depending on what your wanting to do
[06:25:14] <sensenku> I know Corel Draw and will integrate to Inkscape soon
[06:25:31] <sensenku> because it s very nice tool in Linux
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[06:32:35] <archivist> gammax-Laptop1, yes, the path tool
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[06:38:01] <gammax-Laptop1> archivist, what do you think about company name tridentcnc
[06:38:11] <gammax-Laptop1> also as an online ecommerce site
[06:39:16] <archivist> well ok except there is a trident cnc in tw
[06:39:30] <archivist> so a trademark overlap
[06:40:33] <archivist> they could already own Trident in your country for use in the cnc market
[06:41:06] <archivist> but there is an online tool for checking
[06:41:47] <gammax-Laptop1> well i already got the site tridentcnc.com lol
[06:42:37] <gammax-Laptop1> ohhh thaiwan not tennesee lol
[06:42:40] <gammax-Laptop1> yeah im in us
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[06:46:24] <archivist> usa has 342 trident based trademarks
[06:46:49] <gammax-Laptop1> anything for tridentcnc
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[06:47:22] <DJ9DJ> moin
[06:52:22] <archivist> it is a really crap search interface
[06:53:17] <archivist> http://tess2.uspto.gov/bin/gate.exe?f=tess&state=4805:q5qka8.1.1
[06:54:51] <DJ9DJ> "This search session has expired. Please start a search session again by clicking on the TRADEMARK icon, if you wish to continue." hrhr
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[06:54:57] <archivist> http://www.uspto.gov/trademarks/process/search/Tess_tips.jsp
[06:55:20] <archivist> start your own session, it is a crappy system!
[06:56:10] <archivist> one of those sites where one cannot pass a link to your results
[06:56:18] <DJ9DJ> hihi
[06:56:51] <DJ9DJ> I start rolling my eyes when I see those gate.exe in the URL ;)
[06:59:47] <Aero-Tec> got it working
[07:00:55] <Aero-Tec> PROGRAM_PREFIX = /home/stan/emc2/nc_files:/home/stan/emc2/nc_files/stans-subs
[07:01:01] <Aero-Tec> does not work
[07:01:48] <Aero-Tec> PROGRAM_PREFIX = /home/stan/emc2/nc_files
[07:02:07] <Aero-Tec> and the sub file in the dir works
[07:02:47] <Aero-Tec> SUBROUTINE_PATH = /home/stan/emc2/nc_files/stans-subs
[07:02:55] <Aero-Tec> needs to be in the
[07:03:03] <gammax-Laptop1> archivist, yeah I think im good in the us with that one, sound good? I was gonna with with automation sumtin blah blah blah
[07:03:19] <Aero-Tec> [RS274NGC]
[07:03:26] <Aero-Tec> section to work
[07:04:05] <Aero-Tec> SUBROUTINE_PATH = /home/stan/emc2/nc_files/stans-subs
[07:04:18] <Aero-Tec> in the display section does not work
[07:04:59] <Aero-Tec> note to self "read the direction more closly and save time and frustration"
[07:05:31] <Aero-Tec> fun fun fun
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[07:07:33] <Aero-Tec> like someone said, it will be something very simple when the problem is found
[07:07:46] <Aero-Tec> and it was
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[07:10:35] <Aero-Tec> thanks every one for all the help and suggestions
[07:12:51] <archivist> gammax-Laptop1, I just want you to avoid not owning your own trademark so someone comes later and steals your name remember EMC2
[07:13:35] <archivist> we were using the name before EMC trademarked EMC 2
[07:14:03] <gammax-Laptop1> ahhhh yes!
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[07:20:40] <archivist> gammax-Laptop1, way back in the 1980's I registered a name over here, they even let me register a name against the rules, never used it in anger :)
[07:21:16] <asdfasd> archivist: what happened with emc2 trademark?
[07:21:18] <gammax-Laptop1> did linuxcnc get sued?
[07:21:28] <archivist> name must not imply quality of service or product
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[07:21:52] <archivist> they threatened to sue
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[07:22:37] <gammax-Laptop1> who did they contact?
[07:22:42] <archivist> asdfasd, this project did not buy its trademark that was the problem
[07:26:07] <asdfasd> archivist: sue? for something free? cant imagine if that was a paid product...
[07:27:23] <archivist> like this too http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20130513135507864
[07:28:25] <archivist> one has to oppose the application by showing prior use
[07:29:22] <gammax-Laptop1> archivist, so why dont we all double down?
[07:30:06] <archivist> dunno what you are asking
[07:31:27] <gammax-Laptop1> cant we fight what emc2 did to us?
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[07:32:43] <archivist> we should have but the board met in secret and changed name instead
[07:33:24] <archivist> first we knew was after decision to change name
[07:33:52] <gammax-Laptop1> thats lame
[07:33:56] <gammax-Laptop1> id go down fighting in flames
[07:34:09] <gammax-Laptop1> even with a lawyers recomendation
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[07:36:16] <archivist> who pays, this is a project without funds
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[07:40:18] <gammax-Laptop1> very true..
[07:42:19] <gammax-Laptop1> Im bad at logos...this is kicking my ass
[07:42:22] <sensenku> what CAD CAM software is prefered in Linux??
[07:44:19] <archivist> how long is a piece of string
[07:44:58] <sensenku> 120 cmx180 cm
[07:45:22] <archivist> cam is rather a poor relation http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?Cam
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[07:52:09] <Loetmichel> mornin'
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[08:53:45] <Tom_itx> GammaX-another, mile high cnc conversions
[08:54:02] <GammaX-another> Tom_itx, yeah i thought about it but its too... local
[08:54:23] <Tom_itx> comes with a free bag of weed
[08:54:44] <GammaX-another> lol
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[15:19:05] <IchGuckLive> hi all B)
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[15:35:50] <chopper79> Hello all, I have gotten the plasma machine up and running and the THC working (most of the way). I have two issues that I need some help with. #1 is I am having a slight issue with heigth while cutting. When the THC is active the cutting height is higher then the programmed height. The THC is set for lets say 125v and the Gcode is .15 pierce height, and a 0.06 cut height. The actual cut height is about .135 which is way above the programmed height of .0
[15:38:50] <chopper79> to complicate things I guess I shoud also say that when the THC is not active the cut height is high also so I guess its high regardless. The Z always returns to zero and is dead on with my scaling. I am using a floating head so maybe its a proam issue to account for the floating head switch lenght?
[15:39:25] <chopper79> *program
[15:40:20] <IchGuckLive> still reading ch
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[15:41:14] <IchGuckLive> chopper79: is it a Hypertherm
[15:41:21] <IchGuckLive> powermax 45
[15:41:24] <chopper79> 65
[15:41:47] <IchGuckLive> i got 116.3V to be the best settings on the THC
[15:42:09] <chopper79> regardless of material thickness?
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[15:42:59] <IchGuckLive> yes no different but i use only 2mm and 4mm parts
[15:43:06] <IchGuckLive> i never got more
[15:43:45] <IchGuckLive> do you got unshielded nozzle
[15:43:51] <chopper79> I have changed the voltage from 135 -85 and same issues
[15:44:03] <chopper79> I have both and have tried both consumables
[15:45:22] <IchGuckLive> ok then get the HaL watch to your pins up down and go for a long cut manual move the Z stepper and see if it is reaktink propper
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[15:46:13] <chopper79> When the THC is not active and I program the cut height for 0 then I am about .07 above the material.
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[15:46:33] <IchGuckLive> did you clear all the G92
[15:46:56] <chopper79> Yes, so I think its either the material flexing and the making the height different maybe.
[15:46:59] <IchGuckLive> in axis Mashine coordinat system press al the stuff
[15:47:24] <IchGuckLive> chopper79: what happens if you change programmed height
[15:47:46] <chopper79> When the THC is not active and I program the cut height for 0 then I am about .07 above the material.
[15:48:08] <chopper79> If I program for 0.06 then im up around .13 or so.
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[15:49:24] <chopper79> so about double the program height with or without THC active. Could it be the flex in the steel during probing?
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[15:51:35] <IchGuckLive> ofcause
[15:52:00] <IchGuckLive> do you probe etch contour
[15:52:09] <chopper79> yes
[15:52:11] <IchGuckLive> or only once
[15:52:25] <chopper79> each time a new cut is started
[15:52:30] <IchGuckLive> is the table that troublening
[15:52:57] <chopper79> dont understand
[15:53:15] <IchGuckLive> from corner to corner whats the able height difference
[15:53:46] <chopper79> .005
[15:53:50] <chopper79> "
[15:54:10] <IchGuckLive> the 65 can start plasma from 5.5mm thats 0,21"
[15:54:23] <IchGuckLive> si if you pirce from 0.15
[15:54:41] <IchGuckLive> No factor to probe etch
[15:55:06] <IchGuckLive> when the thc starts it shoudt correct that
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[15:55:13] <chopper79> agreed
[15:55:15] <Loetmichel> re @ home
[15:55:52] <LokiScarlet> Hi. Sorry if I'm asking something stupid, such as if I simply missed what I'm looking for in plain sight. I do that a lot. But I can't seem to find how to login to the livecd
[15:56:00] <IchGuckLive> chopper79: do you got a pendant on the system
[15:56:10] <chopper79> no pendent
[15:56:41] <IchGuckLive> LokiScarlet: hi did you command this on my youtube channel
[15:56:57] <IchGuckLive> as there are now more and more questions on this
[15:57:11] <IchGuckLive> the livecd has no login
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[15:57:29] <LokiScarlet> ........ It's prompting me for one
[15:57:35] <IchGuckLive> chopper79: do you use a pyvcp
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[15:57:46] <chopper79> yes
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[15:57:58] <LokiScarlet> I'm getting a gnome desktop manager login screen and it prompts for a login.
[15:58:07] <IchGuckLive> get a button and probe by button on a position that has Z support
[15:58:50] <IchGuckLive> LokiScarlet: its the root paswort that you set at the setup but not on livecd
[15:59:28] <LokiScarlet> I'm booting to the livecd. It's asking me to login, and blank fields == auth failure
[16:00:02] <IchGuckLive> its the new livcd when did you download it
[16:00:27] <frallzor> sure its the livecd from the linuxcnc site? =)
[16:00:47] <IchGuckLive> let me check it 5min
[16:00:50] <roh> usernames cannot be left empty on logins on any unix i know.
[16:00:53] <LokiScarlet> I downloaded it on the eighth.
[16:01:13] <LokiScarlet> From linuxcnc's site
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[16:02:04] <LokiScarlet> ... I'm not trying to use enter as punctuation either, I just suddenly realize I forgot to say part and like a fool I just type it soon as I realize it -_-
[16:02:07] <IchGuckLive> im pulling
[16:02:18] <chopper79> Ich: I will look into that.
[16:03:30] <IchGuckLive> chopper79: i did a button and got a M200 user Mcode for it to G38 and G92 Z0 the part
[16:03:47] <IchGuckLive> Butten then cals M200
[16:04:07] <IchGuckLive> iso is in and cd-r is 2
[16:05:21] <chopper79> Next question is when the THC is active the Z axis will sometimes loose its mind and rapid up after a cut and smash into the limit switch. Its almost like its not seeing the proper positions after running thorugh the comp file. When this happens the velocity stays active and will not let me home or anything until I diable the THC by the check bock on the pyvcp panel
[16:06:21] <IchGuckLive> chopper79: is the Zaxis reversed in thep inlayout
[16:06:25] <chopper79> So I am thinking that the z axis is getting confused when running throught he thcud comp file. Alsmost like the position information is wrong or its stuck in an active mode to keep the Z hi-jacked
[16:06:28] <IchGuckLive> Pinöaypout
[16:06:35] <chopper79> No its as normal
[16:06:45] <chopper79> The Z works fine without the THc active
[16:06:48] <chopper79> HC
[16:06:49] <IchGuckLive> LokiScarlet: burn ok
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[16:07:49] <IchGuckLive> chopper79: then i guess the THC looses the Voltige
[16:08:43] <chopper79> Yes if the arc dies during a cut then this is when the Z axis has the wierd velocity issue.
[16:09:15] <IchGuckLive> you can hack the comp to discover the Z
[16:09:27] * LokiScarlet will be back in a minute, has to pick up a package
[16:09:30] <IchGuckLive> and stop THC by hardcode Z max
[16:09:42] <Jymmm> THC !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[16:10:10] <chopper79> lol
[16:10:19] <chopper79> Ich: not sure how to do this
[16:12:29] <LokiScarlet> Back :#
[16:12:33] <LokiScarlet> *:3
[16:12:58] <Tecan> usually takes longer to get weed
[16:13:57] <IchGuckLive> LokiScarlet: im afraid but no login im up and running
[16:14:45] <LokiScarlet> IchGuckLive: That's freaking bizarre.
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[16:14:48] <LokiScarlet> I'll try another reboot, might be a fluke
[16:16:05] <IchGuckLive> chopper79: comp is thcud
[16:16:39] <chopper79> yes
[16:17:14] <chopper79> BRB im going to log on with the computer on the plasma table
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[16:19:29] <LokiScarlet> IchGuckLive: How many bytes your ISO taking up? Mine shows 726855680 bytes
[16:20:51] <Jymmm> Dont go by filesize, use MD5 or SHA1 instead.
[16:21:16] <IchGuckLive> 726855680 Byte
[16:21:47] <Jymmm> md5sum filename.iso (on most systems)
[16:22:43] <IchGuckLive> 76dc2416b917679b71255e464ede84ec
[16:25:55] <LokiScarlet> ..... Well, I guess I'll see when this thing finally boots, if it'll give me a login screen again
[16:26:39] <IchGuckLive> you stardet with tryout not installing
[16:28:10] <LokiScarlet> I didn't get asked for tryout or install last boot, just login. It's taking forever to boot so I don't know about this time yet. Could even be a bad drive. I already had to swap one out cause it wouldn't load :\
[16:28:52] <Jymmm> LokiScarlet: Did you checksum and burn the iso at 4x speed?
[16:29:08] <IchGuckLive> the livecd shoudt prompt for Language first then ask fortryout
[16:29:19] <LokiScarlet> Jymmm: I slept since then
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[16:30:25] <chopper791> Im back ich
[16:31:30] <Jymmm> LokiScarlet: And I just scratched my ass. What does that have to do with anything?
[16:31:54] <LokiScarlet> Jymmm: Does scratching your ass affect your memory?
[16:32:12] <Jymmm> LokiScarlet: Fine, good luck!
[16:32:38] <IchGuckLive> chopper791: querry
[16:32:47] <PetefromTn> what's all the ass scratching going on in here?
[16:32:49] <LokiScarlet> Jeez, was just saiyan, don't remember. Wasn't tryin' to offend you.
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[16:34:21] <LokiScarlet> Reburning it. I mean, I do always tell it to verify after burning, but I'd might as well try everything I can
[16:34:47] <Jymmm> LokiScarlet: checksum the iso first.
[16:35:16] <LokiScarlet> 76dc2416b917679b71255e464ede84ec same as his.
[16:35:20] <IchGuckLive> chopper791: ?
[16:35:21] <IchGuckLive> LokiScarlet: chck md5 first
[16:35:23] <IchGuckLive> check
[16:35:31] <BJfreeman> has anyone ported to debian 7 A13
[16:35:39] <chopper791> Whats up?
[16:35:54] <IchGuckLive> chopper791: thcud mod is in querry
[16:36:20] <IchGuckLive> you shoudt see my name seperate somewhere in your cliend
[16:36:55] <LokiScarlet> >tell brasero to only burn at 4x speed; >20-21x; what the fsck, Brasero?
[16:37:46] <IchGuckLive> LokiScarlet: do you try to burn a livecd image from a livcd linuxsystem ?
[16:38:06] <LokiScarlet> IchGuckLive: Nope. CentOS.
[16:38:12] <IchGuckLive> ok
[16:38:25] <chopper791> looking at it now
[16:38:39] <IchGuckLive> post in querry
[16:39:12] * LokiScarlet is running md5sum /dev/cdrom manually to compare it to the iso's sum, because in paranoid mode now
[16:40:09] <IchGuckLive> LokiScarlet: this may take alot time
[16:40:27] <IchGuckLive> just try it if the cd is burned
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[16:42:47] <LokiScarlet> At 3 megs a second, which was the write speed, the read speed's probably higher than that, this should only take a few minutes. This CD should not have provoked my paranoia.
[16:43:14] <IchGuckLive> O.O B)
[16:43:22] <IchGuckLive> im off 5min
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[16:44:03] <LokiScarlet> I'm betting the machine I'm trying to boot it to has a bad drive again, though
[16:44:11] <LokiScarlet> The thing's 7 years old, the other one was 9
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[16:47:46] * LokiScarlet forgot to pass it through dd with a specific amount of bytes
[16:48:28] <LokiScarlet> ..... As Bill O'Reilly said, #### it, we'll do it live
[16:49:13] <jdh> who is that?
[16:50:41] <LokiScarlet> Bill O'Reilly? Ngeh, some mindless far-right on TV
[16:51:14] <jdh> ahh... quoting your idols. I see.
[16:51:25] <LokiScarlet> >idol
[16:51:51] <LokiScarlet> Pleeeease tell me you're new to English. I don't idolize such awful people
[16:52:48] <IchGuckLive> im in germany Back
[16:53:13] <IchGuckLive> and my denglish is good to go with a girlfriend B)
[16:56:06] <Loetmichel> IchGuckLive: fellow german, your english is HORRIBLE!
[16:56:48] <LokiScarlet> ... So jdh == IchGuckLive ?
[16:57:11] <IchGuckLive> B) O.O
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[16:59:26] * LokiScarlet trying to interpret the sequence of faces
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[17:00:55] <LokiScarlet> So far so got a desktop :3
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[17:02:22] <Loetmichel> LokiScarlet: thats easy, thats mine: http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=13841
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[17:02:26] <Loetmichel> :-)
[17:04:30] <LokiScarlet> Loetmichel: I'd link mine buuuuuuuut I'm at work and I don't have any uploaded to my site.
[17:05:04] <Loetmichel> more "usual" face: http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=14070
[17:05:16] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=5077
[17:05:29] <Loetmichel> <- not smiling so often ;-)
[17:05:31] <frallzor> thats a typical german face!
[17:05:58] <frallzor> grumpy grumpy germans!
[17:07:26] <Loetmichel> <- can do! http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=9080 (once or twice a year ;-)
[17:07:32] <GammaX-another> would it be bad to have 1 tick mark on the spindle encoder? or would I get more precise with more?
[17:08:22] <pcw_home> you mean one count per turn vs more?
[17:08:37] <Loetmichel> depends.
[17:08:54] <Loetmichel> ich you want to stabilize the spindle speed one tic may be enough
[17:09:07] <Loetmichel> if you want rigid tapping: no way!
[17:09:14] <Loetmichel> s/ich/if
[17:10:12] <LokiScarlet> http://i44.tinypic.com/10s4vpl.jpg <- Me with photoshopped eyes. It's my facebook pic, thus why it's so dumb looking and shooped
[17:11:03] <Loetmichel> hrhr, a grunge kid ;-)
[17:11:05] * LokiScarlet believes it is a tradition to make sure you upload only stupid pictures to facebook, no good ones
[17:11:21] * Loetmichel hs no FB account. MUCH better ;-)
[17:13:49] <LokiScarlet> Grunge... Not sure if I've even heard any grunge. I'm one of those weird people
[17:14:09] <LokiScarlet> The kind of weird people who just listen to whatever sounds good to their ears :3
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[17:16:46] <Loetmichel> LokiScarlet: 1+
[17:17:01] <Loetmichel> my server here has about 30gb of abba to zztop ;-)
[17:17:09] <Loetmichel> and anything in between ;-)
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[17:24:51] <LokiScarlet> I used to hate music. Then I heard good music. Started with good charlotte when I was an edgy angsty teenager. Then weird al, then got my hands on a copy of guitar hero, and expanded exponentially like the universe
[17:25:06] <IchGuckLive> LokiScarlet: did the livecd work now
[17:25:24] <LokiScarlet> Ich: THe install doesn't seem to wanna load :\
[17:26:39] <IchGuckLive> does the prompt screen go up
[17:26:44] <IchGuckLive> language
[17:27:07] <LokiScarlet> Nothing. I doubleclick the install or highlight it and hit enter and nothing
[17:27:31] <LokiScarlet> At least I'm at the desktop environment :3
[17:27:58] <IchGuckLive> wear
[17:28:21] <Loetmichel> LokiScarlet: ch is checked for burn errors?
[17:28:23] <Loetmichel> cd
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[17:30:00] <LokiScarlet> Yeah I didn't see a single error. :\ Thinking it's the drive. Last disk, it loaded the login once and wouldn't boot at all after that
[17:30:26] <LokiScarlet> This disk, it loads the desktop but can't load the installer? Yeeeah sounds a bit flaky to me
[17:33:19] <Loetmichel> tried to use a stick?
[17:33:27] <Loetmichel> usb flashdrive i meant
[17:33:40] <Loetmichel> faster, more reliable
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[17:35:15] <LokiScarlet> I've tried to use a USB CD drive. Not tried a stick but the computer is probably just old enough not to support USB booting while having "USB" listed in the BIOS options
[17:35:44] <LokiScarlet> The USB CD just is not recognized in the BIOS, whereas it is by newer machines
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[18:05:06] <tjtr33> yesterday someone posted about Chiron machines and thier 'basket tool changer' http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N-VqZZPGLUE is this unique to Chiron?
[18:05:08] <tjtr33> on large sink EDMs with 800mm/min rapids and 2 or 3 meter to a rack, this is very appealing!
[18:06:01] <tjtr33> its like the spider used on the minitoolchanger .com, but an atc for each tool, arranged radially
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[18:13:30] <tjtr33> hmm no tool prep, just optional put-away(), always get-tool() hmm
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[18:15:34] <tjtr33> and could be a sparse array ( they recommend skipping adjacent atc's if the tool is large ) ( old rack trick )
[18:16:10] <andypugh> I am pretty sure I have seen them on other things on Youtube.
[18:17:41] <tjtr33> been lookin, there are a few vids but all chiron so far. think the raial pin array at bottom of spindle is alignnmet or spray?
[18:17:50] <tjtr33> radial
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[18:18:39] <FinboySlick> tjtr33: I think it's spray.
[18:18:58] <FinboySlick> tjtr33: If they're the pins I think, they shot coolant in one of the vids.
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[18:19:29] <FinboySlick> Hmmm, not sure anymore.
[18:19:36] <FinboySlick> the ones I saw were brass.
[18:20:40] <tjtr33> could be both, a simple alignment for the collar AND selectable flush
[18:21:15] <FinboySlick> tjtr33: The spray I saw while changing tools seemed to come straight out of the taper.
[18:21:18] <andypugh> it doesn't even look to be complicated mechanically. Just an air cylinder for each tool. Even the relative motion of the basket and the spindle can be achieved with a spring and the spindle actuator.
[18:21:54] <andypugh> If you do it that way, though, you lose a taper-length of spindle travel.
[18:22:02] <FinboySlick> I like the actuated clasp tool.
[18:22:20] <PetefromTn> Chiron toolchanger looks real fast...
[18:22:36] <Connor> Claim to be the fastest..
[18:22:48] <FinboySlick> It saves a lot of motion, that's for sure.
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[18:23:03] <FinboySlick> You only move enough to clear Z and you're set.
[18:23:55] <PetefromTn> Hood is doing one over on Machsupport...
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[18:23:59] <PetefromTn> http://www.machsupport.com/forum/index.php?PHPSESSID=6lui1ajpm9k7ckfta34fkvetp7&topic=22495.0
[18:24:06] <tjtr33> andypugh, yes some stroke sacrificed to tool changer only. good point ( gotta make overall stroke longer by clamping len :)
[18:24:08] <PetefromTn> forgive the competitive link.
[18:24:32] <andypugh> This toolchanger doesn't mess about either: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L5aC5Kpvibc
[18:24:32] <Tecan> (L5aC5Kpvibc) "Watch This Fast CNC Machine" by "brothersocal" is "Tech" - Length: 0:02:52
[18:24:33] <frallzor> controlling VFD via modbus, is it hard to understand what ones VFD need to work besides the RS485 interface? =)
[18:24:51] <frallzor> or are there univerals commands to use for simple start-stop etc
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[18:26:32] <andypugh> A Mach conversion of a Chiron seems like madness to me
[18:26:48] <Aero-Tec> stay away from mach
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[18:27:00] <frallzor> mach is the devils work
[18:27:03] <Aero-Tec> I started with mach, bad bad idea
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[18:27:21] <PetefromTn> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qeQ2rooVrPU
[18:27:22] <Tecan> (qeQ2rooVrPU) "Chiron FZ16 mit EMC2 bei 12m/min vorschub" by "cncready" is "Tech" - Length: 0:01:02
[18:27:25] <Aero-Tec> loving EMC
[18:27:35] <frallzor> mach is good though, if you want to pay for the less good alternative =P
[18:27:42] <PetefromTn> I figured you would say that here ya go...
[18:27:43] <FinboySlick> Even that old beaten chiron must be quite a wonder.
[18:28:02] <Aero-Tec> or linuxcnc
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[18:28:42] <Aero-Tec> had nothing but greef with mach
[18:29:10] <FinboySlick> One thing with a moving column like those chiron is that you always have a very good idea how much mass you're moving.
[18:29:13] <andypugh> Ah, that LinuxCNC Chiron is the other basket toolchange i have seen, so it was a Chiron.
[18:29:20] <Aero-Tec> BTW I for my file subs working
[18:29:32] <Aero-Tec> thanks to all that helped out with the problem
[18:29:38] <FinboySlick> Aero-Tec: What was it?
[18:29:55] <Aero-Tec> got it fixed at around 1 am
[18:30:15] <Aero-Tec> <Aero-Tec> got it working
[18:30:15] <Aero-Tec> <Aero-Tec> PROGRAM_PREFIX = /home/stan/emc2/nc_files:/home/stan/emc2/nc_files/stans-subs
[18:30:15] <Aero-Tec> <Aero-Tec> does not work
[18:30:15] <Aero-Tec> <Aero-Tec> PROGRAM_PREFIX = /home/stan/emc2/nc_files
[18:30:16] <Aero-Tec> <Aero-Tec> and the sub file in the dir works
[18:30:16] <Aero-Tec> <Aero-Tec> SUBROUTINE_PATH = /home/stan/emc2/nc_files/stans-subs
[18:30:16] <Aero-Tec> <Aero-Tec> needs to be in the
[18:30:23] <Aero-Tec> <Aero-Tec> [RS274NGC]
[18:30:23] <Aero-Tec> <Aero-Tec> section to work
[18:30:23] <Aero-Tec> <Aero-Tec> SUBROUTINE_PATH = /home/stan/emc2/nc_files/stans-subs
[18:30:23] <Aero-Tec> <Aero-Tec> in the display section does not work
[18:30:23] <Aero-Tec> <Aero-Tec> note to self "read the direction more closly and save time and frustration"
[18:30:23] <Aero-Tec> <Aero-Tec> fun fun fun
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[18:30:27] <PetefromTn> so do these chirons have the need for spindle orientation then?
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[18:30:47] <PetefromTn> I mean I am sure it rigid taps but no carousel
[18:30:54] <PetefromTn> or vertical rig
[18:31:34] <FinboySlick> PetefromTn: From previous videos, they use a clamp/grabber in the spinde to move parts with that basket toolchanger.
[18:31:41] <andypugh> I have an idea for a simple carousel for my mill, where the spindle+axes move the carousel round. That would require the spindle to rotate while moving the carousel, though, to keep the tool alignment. Sounds like fun :-)
[18:31:44] <FinboySlick> So they seem to always know how the tool is orientated.
[18:32:31] <tjtr33> PetefromTn, afaict the spindle needs a single position, the tools are set accorrding to thier positon and the single spindle position
[18:32:42] <andypugh> spindle orientation isn't hard in principle, I intend to have it on my mill, and that is just a VFD and 3-phase motor.
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[18:33:06] <PetefromTn> andypugh Yeah I know but it would be nice to NOT need it in a VMC retrofit LOL.
[18:33:28] <andypugh> It's just a bit of HAL config.
[18:33:35] <Aero-Tec> so with a 20 ppr encoder can I do rigid tapping on my lathe now?
[18:33:50] <Connor> with index?
[18:33:54] <Aero-Tec> yes
[18:33:57] <Connor> they yea.
[18:34:00] <andypugh> Aero-Tec: You ought to be able to, yes. (as long as there is an index)
[18:34:15] <Aero-Tec> cool
[18:34:51] <andypugh> You can probably simulate an index, just by dividing down the pulses.
[18:34:57] <Aero-Tec> just need a speed and motor control now to finish it off
[18:35:18] <Aero-Tec> so I can do rigid tapping
[18:35:32] <Connor> PetefromTn: Is there a place locally we can get endmills from ?
[18:35:41] <Aero-Tec> right now it is manual belt drive
[18:37:30] <Connor> Question, when using TTS.. Should be tool fall out when PDB is compressing the springs? I can pull it out.. no problem.. and sometimes they drop down just a tad.. but, don't fall out..
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[18:37:56] <Connor> be = the
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[18:38:36] <PetefromTn> ..damn storms!
[18:38:44] <Connor> PetefromTn: Is their a place locally we can buy endmills from ?
[18:39:33] <PetefromTn> Connor well there is a travers tool shop down here in maryville, or at least there was. I dunno why you would want to buy one locally tho you get them cheaper and in more abundance online of course.
[18:40:05] <Connor> Just nice to know if I'm in a bind or something.
[18:40:07] <PetefromTn> What are you looking for.
[18:40:22] <PetefromTn> Dunno if grainger sells them or not.
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[18:40:31] <Connor> Nothing as of yet.. I was looking for some 4 flute ones steel work..
[18:40:35] <PetefromTn> Mcmaster can get them to you almost overnight...
[18:41:11] <PetefromTn> I told you I got the steel right, I've also got some cutters that will work.
[18:41:45] <PetefromTn> Are you getting the nasty lightning and thunder we are?
[18:42:04] <Connor> I have 1/8. 1/4, 3/8, 7/16, and 1/2 all 2 flute. (have 2 each of most.. save the 7/16)
[18:42:24] <Connor> Had a quick pass of some nasty weather.. it's died down now.. little bit of rumble far off.
[18:43:10] <Connor> I like using the 3/8".. Kinda the butter zone.. not to big.. not too small..
[18:43:20] <PetefromTn> hmm... I started making a fly cutter for my machine earlier but stopped for lunch. Gonna be stainless like the one I made for the RF45.
[18:43:37] <PetefromTn> Don't have cash for the nice facemill yet LOL.
[18:44:15] <Connor> okay... Shars.com is returning a white page.. and nothing else.
[18:44:17] <Connor> wtf..
[18:44:45] <Connor> PetefromTn: I have a 3 fly cutters I got from shars. was going to link to it.
[18:45:26] <Connor> or maybe it was LMS..
[18:45:30] <PetefromTn> Connor Yeah I know they sell cheap but it needs to fit my spare facemill cat40 adapter so I gotta build it.
[18:46:02] <Connor> I didn't have very good luck with it when I tried it.. not sure what the issue was..
[18:48:47] <PetefromTn> tool grind probably..
[18:49:11] <PetefromTn> I use the lathe toolholders for my 12x36, they are indexable and work great.
[18:50:07] <PetefromTn> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I4TxQYivMjo&list=UUFCopiUpaDrS5VBkrYFuGFQ&index=3
[18:50:08] <Tecan> (I4TxQYivMjo) "RF45 CNC solutions flycutting" by "PetefromTn" is "Education" - Length: 0:03:35
[18:50:22] <GammaX-another> PetefromTn, im opening a cnc kit and accesory business!
[18:51:14] <GammaX-another> just felt like sharing
[18:51:26] <PetefromTn> GammaX-another Really, well good luck with that. I made a couple items and tried to sell them for what I thought was reasonable prices and only heard crickets.
[18:51:53] <PetefromTn> Most folks make their own stuff and unless you can work with a consistent machine it is not real simple.
[18:52:14] <PetefromTn> unfortunately most of the chinese benchtops are NOT what I would call consistent.
[18:52:17] <GammaX-another> PetefromTn, gonna do a full range of items for g0704 style, rf45 style, IH, tormach and so on.
[18:52:37] <jdh> the resident millionaire!
[18:52:44] <PetefromTn> Good luck with that....
[18:52:47] <GammaX-another> and also carry tooling like er20/32 collets/chucks.
[18:52:54] <GammaX-another> he millionaire I doubt it lol
[18:53:06] <GammaX-another> just some money on the side hopefully.
[18:53:10] <jdh> cheap chinese collets or good stuff?
[18:53:20] <PetefromTn> Honestly the only way to really do anything with that is like Hoss does, just make a video and sell it.
[18:53:28] <GammaX-another> Chinese,
[18:53:30] <jdh> 1 warranty return eats up profit from many sales
[18:53:38] <GammaX-another> PetefromTn, yeah i plan on blowing hoss away
[18:53:52] <GammaX-another> my goal
[18:53:55] <PetefromTn> Don't get me started with Hoss..
[18:54:05] <Connor> ROFL
[18:54:08] <jdh> Hoss is fine
[18:54:14] <PetefromTn> Blow him away man...have at it.
[18:54:20] <GammaX-another> he's old but im young and Ill have much better stuff.
[18:54:42] <Connor> I kinda feel bad for him.. He's been stuck in his house for like 18 months or so..
[18:54:44] <Connor> no way out.
[18:54:45] <jdh> all he has is mediocore videos and dwgs
[18:55:03] <GammaX-another> belt drive conversions for all, quick release draw bars.
[18:55:19] <GammaX-another> Connor, stuck in his house? lol y?
[18:55:26] <jdh> send me a g0704 belt drive conversion and I'll review it
[18:55:28] <Connor> Yea. he's wheelchair bound.
[18:55:33] <GammaX-another> no way!
[18:55:34] <PetefromTn> I built one of the very first if not THE first belt drive conversions on the RF45..
[18:56:11] <PetefromTn> It worked quite well, if you look at my videos in that link you can see and hear it run.
[18:56:21] <Connor> GammaX-another: Go read his thread on CNCzone.. last few comments about being able to get out on his deck.
[18:56:34] <GammaX-another> damn, that sucks.
[18:56:46] <PetefromTn> I cannot GET ON the CNCzone lately at all.
[18:56:56] <PetefromTn> Dunno why..
[18:57:06] <Connor> PetefromTn: Yea.. that's fracked up.. I wonder what the deal is ?
[18:57:25] <PetefromTn> Whenever I click a link or paste it into my browser it just tries for awhile and then times out.
[18:57:31] <Connor> Maybe I can remote into you laptop sometime later today and see if I can figure it out.
[18:57:36] <PetefromTn> I have tried everything...
[18:57:42] <roh> works. must be your network
[18:57:44] <PetefromTn> Connor give it a shot man..
[18:57:53] <GammaX-another> PetefromTn, try it from a proxy online?
[18:58:07] <GammaX-another> clear out entire temp internet files and browsing history.
[18:58:08] <PetefromTn> I have never had this problem with ANY other website anywhere
[18:58:16] <Connor> Give me just a bit. Mother in law showing up for something..
[18:58:19] <roh> maybe you got some mtu problem (nat gw configured badly)
[18:58:22] <PetefromTn> GammaX-another Did that already several times.
[18:58:25] <GammaX-another> Connor, have fun! :)
[18:58:33] <GammaX-another> PetefromTn, does proxy work?
[18:58:40] <Connor> Yea. I have to transfer her address book from one cell phone to the other.
[18:58:43] <PetefromTn> whazzat?
[19:00:14] <GammaX-another> PetefromTn, zend2.com
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[19:04:02] <Connor> Anyone have any comments on this fly cutter ? http://www.littlemachineshop.com/products/product_view.php?ProductID=4663&category=
[19:04:08] <Connor> besides the fact it's kinda $$$
[19:04:20] <GammaX-another> In process of building site now, TridentCnC.com
[19:04:49] <PetefromTn> Connor looks halfway decent, as long as the angles are right should work fine.
[19:04:52] <GammaX-another> Connor, ive seen the reviews on youtube. looks legit...
[19:05:09] <Connor> GammaX-another: that's what I do all day.. build websites and backend database development
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[19:05:30] <GammaX-another> Connor, unfortuanatly I had to go with webs.com :(
[19:05:31] <Connor> PetefromTn: I'm sure the angles are fine.. it's a Tormach designed tool.
[19:05:45] <Connor> GammaX-another: Why ?
[19:05:46] <PetefromTn> GammaX-another Good luck with the site man, I will say this tho. Homebuilders of Chinese benchtop machines are some cheap SOB's. I know I am one of themLOL
[19:06:23] <GammaX-another> PetefromTn, lol im gonna offer good prices and good combo deals, And also mill the stuff that people cant if they only have 1 mill
[19:06:26] <PetefromTn> Connor What Tormach can't make mistakes then
[19:06:26] <GammaX-another> or lathe.
[19:06:58] <Connor> PetefromTn: I'm sure they can.. but. that looks pretty nice.. though, I think a facemill would be better in the long run.
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[19:07:00] <PetefromTn> What kinda equipment do you have to make all this stuff on?
[19:07:01] <archivist> no mistakes...didnt make anything
[19:07:05] <GammaX-another> Connor, if you look at it... its just a regular flut cutter with a bit on the end... not my style cause of the price. and they rip people off.
[19:09:11] <PetefromTn> archivist yeah exactly..
[19:10:11] <GammaX-another> was that aimed at me? lol
[19:10:35] <archivist> anyone :)
[19:11:12] <archivist> hiding ones mistakes is a special skill
[19:11:18] <GammaX-another> im in contact with some chinese manufactures to make a tooling system such as tormachs but with a larger shank, 7/8ths maby
[19:12:11] <archivist> get them made more locally!
[19:13:01] <GammaX-another> well then the price sky rockets
[19:13:17] <archivist> less transport cost
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[19:13:47] <GammaX-another> thought about doing it myself but its going to be impossible. maby i can get them to rough them out and then i can just run them in my hardinge.
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[19:14:31] <FinboySlick> GammaX-another: How many do you plan to sell?
[19:14:32] <PetefromTn> ...damn internet..
[19:14:44] <PetefromTn> what'd I miss?
[19:14:57] <archivist> PetefromTn, or damned local wifi?
[19:15:00] <GammaX-another> FinboySlick, I have no idea just for the chucks.
[19:15:12] <GammaX-another> I think PetefromTn just needs a new pc!
[19:15:21] <PetefromTn> archivist yeah right...
[19:15:39] <archivist> use real wire TM
[19:15:43] <PetefromTn> GammaX-another Nothing wrong with this PC far as I can tell. works fine everywhere else.
[19:15:59] <PetefromTn> wazzat?
[19:16:19] <FinboySlick> GammaX-another: If you plan to sell a lot, you could justify buying the lathe I linked yesterday ;)
[19:16:33] <PetefromTn> GammaX-another dunno if you missed my question earlier, what kinda machinery are you planning to use to make all these parts?
[19:16:36] <archivist> I had a PC psu screw the internet connection, add a filter
[19:17:08] <PetefromTn> archivist Huh not a bad idea.
[19:17:37] <archivist> I wonder if someone has done a first year cash flow forecast
[19:17:58] <archivist> it is a sobering thing to do
[19:19:05] <PetefromTn> archivist My cash flow is Nil right now. No work except this pig roasting project which has not officially started yet but we are getting there.
[19:19:35] <GammaX-another> PetefromTn, I got myself and a partner splitting parts up, so a few pm30's , IH , PM45.... few hardinge lathes.
[19:19:48] <archivist> mine is very close to 0 (£4 this week so far)
[19:20:54] <FinboySlick> GammaX-another: Any excuse is good if it means buying one of these: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LdCRCcwDeKQ
[19:20:55] <Tecan> (LdCRCcwDeKQ) "LNT-S 10-axis CNC w/ live tools & back machining" by "Lipoco Sales" is "People" - Length: 0:06:56
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[19:21:31] <PetefromTn> GammaX-another Okay man, like I said good luck, you have your work cut out for you then. I might suggest farming the projects out to a real machine shop in quantity once you have a working prototype. Save you some hassle .
[19:22:25] <GammaX-another> PetefromTn, nah, this is the start to my full time job hopefully, that and Im a job shop. Im sure Im not going to have any crazy amount for a while so im not too worried.
[19:22:57] <GammaX-another> appreciate the condolences though! lol
[19:23:12] <PetefromTn> You're a job shop with PM machines and IH machines?
[19:23:19] <GammaX-another> FinboySlick, yeah thats a lil rediculous
[19:23:36] <FinboySlick> Not if you sell 200 a day ;)
[19:23:51] <GammaX-another> PetefromTn, one off's dont need production size bridgeports lol
[19:24:10] <GammaX-another> FinboySlick, if that every happeneds ill farm it out. until that time.... f that! lol
[19:24:36] <PetefromTn> GammaX-another Please understand that I am NOT trying to discourage you, hell I am trying to run a shop from my home here too. Started out with the RF45, Cnc'd it, and it was nice...
[19:25:20] <PetefromTn> But now that I have seen and run Haas machines and this Cincinatti, well, there is no comparison whatsoever. Even at that I am still struggling to find work for the machine.
[19:25:20] <GammaX-another> Haha I understand what it looks like from the outside haha
[19:25:47] <GammaX-another> as money comes in I can upgrade, the stuff ill be building is not hard....
[19:25:59] <toastydeath> PetefromTn, i bet your cinci beats the shit out the haas
[19:26:05] <PetefromTn> And also understand that Haas machines and my Cincinatti are what would be called DOGS in the machine world of making parts.
[19:26:13] <toastydeath> cinci's not bad
[19:26:17] <GammaX-another> and I can make 3-4 kits to keep on hand and be fine I believe. as one goes out another one comes off the mill.
[19:26:28] <toastydeath> do you have a picture of your mills
[19:26:34] <andypugh> I have an R8 flycutter going spare. I was going to machine it down to BT30, but I have a face-mill so really don't need it.
[19:26:45] <PetefromTn> toastydeath Honestly I have not been able to run it that much yet to tell. I will say it is DAMN precise tho...
[19:26:58] <PetefromTn> It is also pretty damn fast with 650IPM rapids.
[19:27:12] <GammaX-another> thats pretty insane lol
[19:27:14] <toastydeath> that has to be a machine from the 80s
[19:27:25] <toastydeath> 650 ipm is fairly slow for any machine after 1995
[19:27:25] <PetefromTn> actually it is a 1994 model..
[19:27:49] <toastydeath> geared head?
[19:27:52] <toastydeath> two speed?
[19:27:57] <PetefromTn> yeah that is what I am saying to Gammax, MY machine is slow and it will destroy any chinese mill no matter who makes it..
[19:28:16] <PetefromTn> Nope timing belt drive with 2-1 reduction 6k RPM max
[19:28:50] <toastydeath> i'd be interested to see how it handles slow cutting
[19:29:25] <PetefromTn> slow cutting what? Just made some steel parts and was going pretty damn slow since I was not used to the machine...
[19:29:41] <toastydeath> generally steel with a big facemill
[19:29:59] <toastydeath> 5-6" of facemill, with a deep cut and heavy tooth load
[19:30:03] <PetefromTn> It's only 7.5HP but with the belt reduction should be okay...
[19:30:13] <PetefromTn> I am gonna buy a four incher probably.
[19:30:23] <PetefromTn> This is NOT a mazak or an okuma after all.
[19:30:31] <toastydeath> with a facemill go larger rather than smaller
[19:30:38] <GammaX-another> PetefromTn, i understand lol for a startup im in good shape. im sure.
[19:30:54] <toastydeath> you can always make a lighter pass, but you can't make a 4" facemill cut 5" wide
[19:31:01] <PetefromTn> GammaX-another Good luck man, seriously.
[19:31:09] <GammaX-another> much appreciated!
[19:31:44] <PetefromTn> toastydeath yeah I know. The Haas VF2/3 I ran recently they all used 5" iscar units. with octagonal inserts. Nice cuts.
[19:31:46] <GammaX-another> Already got an agreemant with precision matthews to sell kits through them for power drawbar kit, belt drive and so on.
[19:32:05] <PetefromTn> GammaX-another Have you built and tested any prototypes?
[19:32:22] <GammaX-another> yup.
[19:32:38] <PetefromTn> Sweet..
[19:32:44] <toastydeath> i have mixed feelings about octo inserts on facemills
[19:32:50] <toastydeath> on one hand, so many edges
[19:32:57] <GammaX-another> got belt drive done, working on drawbar
[19:32:57] <toastydeath> on the other hand, you can't use it as a shell mill
[19:33:13] <PetefromTn> toastydeath yeah and the inserts are not cheap either.
[19:33:22] <toastydeath> facemills rarely crash
[19:33:34] <toastydeath> and you'll get a shitload of life from 8 corners per insert
[19:33:42] <PetefromTn> just when you don' t have enough ass behind the spindle motor.
[19:34:05] <toastydeath> nah, the machine just wimpers out and trips the max error thing
[19:34:17] <toastydeath> i've stalled many a facemill but the inserts have always been okay
[19:34:36] <toastydeath> now an expensive lathe tool insert, or an inserted endmill?
[19:34:40] <PetefromTn> Never stalled a facemill yet, have not pushed them that hard tho...
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[19:35:18] <toastydeath> facemills like having a heavy tooth load
[19:35:25] <toastydeath> .010" per tooth isn't uncommon
[19:35:37] <PetefromTn> LOL not on my machine
[19:35:45] <toastydeath> that's a common misconception
[19:35:55] <toastydeath> as the chip load goes up, the horsepower requirement goes down
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[19:36:03] <toastydeath> per volume
[19:36:04] <PetefromTn> I mostly just use them to clean up my blanks is all.
[19:36:18] <toastydeath> so ideally you put a really big chip load on it and just decrease the depth of cut
[19:36:21] <toastydeath> or slow the spindle down
[19:36:41] <PetefromTn> what kinda machines do you have?
[19:37:15] <toastydeath> i've used a variety, from cheapish import VMCs (similar to haas) to very nice vmcs and hmcs
[19:37:34] <toastydeath> i don't own any, I was a machinist for a time
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[19:37:59] <PetefromTn> cool.... I really need to find some parts to make for my machine now. Need some cash.
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[19:38:27] <PetefromTn> Been asking around locally a bit but my kids are off school so it is kinda hard to run around too much dragging them along.
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[19:48:06] <PetefromTn> toastydeath what kinda software did you use to program the machines you ran?
[19:48:59] <toastydeath> hands
[19:49:30] <PetefromTn> oh so no CNC then
[19:49:48] <toastydeath> no no
[19:49:53] <toastydeath> cnc, but i programmed by hand
[19:50:00] <toastydeath> type the gcode into the machine, run it.
[19:50:02] <PetefromTn> oh okay, G-coder..
[19:50:15] <PetefromTn> can you hand program 3d stuff?
[19:50:19] <frallzor> as in NC? =)
[19:50:36] <toastydeath> PetefromTn, not 3d contour stuff
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[19:51:38] <PetefromTn> The 3d stuff is where I want to go and start learning. I cannot afford the expensive programs but I still want to try to get some 3d jobs here. Perhaps some simple mold jobs or someting.
[19:51:47] <toastydeath> we had an old as shit copy of mastercam that we used for anything that required more than trivial contours
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[19:51:54] <toastydeath> mold jobs are not simple
[19:52:01] <toastydeath> ever
[19:52:05] <PetefromTn> Yeah I know,, but they pay good.
[19:52:15] <toastydeath> lol there's a reason they pay well
[19:52:24] <PetefromTn> Only way to get them is to learn to do them right.
[19:52:47] <toastydeath> ...and you do that by working in a mold shop for 5-7 years
[19:52:50] <PetefromTn> The machine should be up to the task now. actually better than it was before the retrofit.
[19:52:53] <tjb1> Hello all
[19:53:03] <toastydeath> and you generally can't directly mill molds
[19:53:08] <PetefromTn> toastydeath Yeah that's not an option for me.
[19:53:13] <toastydeath> most are die sunk
[19:53:20] <toastydeath> and then hand polished by trained diemakers
[19:53:51] <PetefromTn> toastydeath That's funny the guy I bought this machine from makes and repairs molds on his Fadal and makes damn good money on it.
[19:53:54] <toastydeath> all gates, flues, slides, etc are designed by the mold shop
[19:54:08] <toastydeath> sorry but i'd have to see it to believe it
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[19:54:35] <toastydeath> if someone busts a guide or something on the mold, that I can see
[19:54:47] <PetefromTn> toastydeath Well I dunno what to tell you he does it every day here.
[19:55:18] <PetefromTn> He has a fadal 6030 and the molds I saw in person are so big he needs to load them with a forklift.
[19:55:27] <toastydeath> molds generally are
[19:56:00] <toastydeath> i can guarantee you he's not finishing the mold on a fadal
[19:56:00] <PetefromTn> I just want to get into some real simple stuff and see if I can do it at all.
[19:56:46] <PetefromTn> toastydeath I'm not gonna get into what he does or does not do. Suffice it to say he works on molds with his Fadal and makes damn good money doing it.
[19:57:10] <PetefromTn> He used to use this Cincinatti I bought from him to do it before I bought it from him.
[19:57:20] <PetefromTn> He has been a machinist for a very long time.
[19:57:23] <toastydeath> and what I'm saying is you are missing a major part of what he does.
[19:57:27] <archivist> brick molds, who needs accuracy
[19:57:58] <PetefromTn> They are for the automotive industry he told me and also some for Rubbermaid.
[19:58:15] <archivist> be careful with assumptions
[19:58:26] <toastydeath> a skilled moldmaker can make a mold with a chisel and some elbow grease
[19:58:40] <toastydeath> you cannot finish a mold on a milling machine
[19:59:12] <PetefromTn> toastydeath what assumptions?
[19:59:14] <frallzor> I´ve seen it been done
[19:59:41] <toastydeath> let me correct that - there are high accuracy mold mills that will leave a good enough finish for some molds
[19:59:57] <toastydeath> for a half million dollars you too can finish certian molds right on the mill
[19:59:57] <frallzor> besides some Pt coating made after machining =P
[20:01:11] <archivist> you are assuming all molds need a fine finish too
[20:01:42] <toastydeath> okay, yep. i have no idea what i'm talking about.
[20:01:45] <PetefromTn> I know a fellow who makes molds for fishing lures on a tormach LOL.
[20:01:50] <toastydeath> i've just invented all these things.
[20:01:59] <toastydeath> get back to me in about a year and let me know how the moldmaking is going.
[20:02:04] <PetefromTn> toastydeath Don't get defensive..
[20:02:15] <toastydeath> i don't think i can eat a whole shoe, but i will symbolically eat part of one
[20:02:22] <PetefromTn> Just telling you what I saw
[20:02:24] <toastydeath> cut part of the tongue or something
[20:02:48] <PetefromTn> I can give you his name if you want to talk to him.. he's a nice fellow.
[20:03:03] <toastydeath> i'm not doubting he works on molds, like i said
[20:03:33] <toastydeath> either way, good luck.
[20:04:52] * frallzor has been thinking about making wooden molds for rubber
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[20:06:04] <archivist> I made a plaster mold and got half a dozen items out of it
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[20:35:13] <PetefromTn> Oh my good lord I just got some great news..
[20:36:46] <PetefromTn> My wife just got back from the Hospital and the lump she found in her breast is apparently some kinda fibrous thing NOT CANCER!!
[20:37:06] <PetefromTn> I am so pleased we were worried sick as her mom got breast Cancer years ago.
[20:37:48] <syyl_> :)
[20:39:28] <PetefromTn> Yes exactly... I have been so scared for her.
[20:48:36] <syyl_> that are more than good news :)
[20:49:26] <PetefromTn> Yeah man, I love my wife dearly and connot imagine not having her here with me and my kids. Besides I suck at being a MOM LOL.
[20:50:00] <PetefromTn> Just got back some materials prices for the Pig Cooker...
[20:50:10] <PetefromTn> Damn steel is spensive lately LOL.
[20:50:32] <PetefromTn> I cannot believe how expensive materials are anymore really.
[20:50:35] <syyl_> chinese scravenge all the steel ;)
[20:50:59] <PetefromTn> I hope he goes for my quote I need the cash and I REALLY want to eat that pig!!
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[21:17:10] <DJ9DJ> gn8
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[21:21:07] <GammaX-another> PetefromTn, glad to hear what u wrote above, my girl had a scare about 2 months ago... not fun times
[21:21:47] <PetefromTn> GammaX-another Hey thanks man sure appreciate it. we are very happy to hear it.
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[21:22:14] <frallzor> my mother hade a scare too, although it was a bad scare that ended like one doesnt hope
[21:24:00] <PetefromTn> frallzor I am so sorry to hear that man. I am sure you understand our concern and relief at the results.
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[21:24:54] <frallzor> well it was some time ago so not that crappy anymore, just notice more when ppl talk about it =)
[21:25:01] <frallzor> kind of gets ones attention
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[21:28:27] <frallzor> anyhow, G04, easy way to have it implemented all the time? =)
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[21:47:17] <PetefromTn> gotta go fellas.. talk later. Peace
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[21:51:53] <Aero-Tec> had a long power outage
[21:52:04] <Aero-Tec> man life sucks with out power
[21:52:25] <Jymmm> And then generators were invented!!!
[21:52:32] <Aero-Tec> need a better IRC client
[21:52:35] <Aero-Tec> lol
[21:53:12] <Aero-Tec> I am running mIRC
[21:53:17] <Aero-Tec> not a fan
[21:53:32] <Jymmm> mIRC is fine
[21:53:41] <Jymmm> quit being a wuss
[21:53:48] <Aero-Tec> what open good source source ones are there?
[21:54:36] <Aero-Tec> any recomendations?
[21:54:56] <Aero-Tec> mIRC is better then nothing but still is not so good
[21:56:17] <Aero-Tec> kind of dead here
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[21:58:27] <Aero-Tec> doing a search list to many, how does one find the good ones?
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[22:10:34] <Aero-Tec> hexchat look good
[22:11:03] <Aero-Tec> need spell checker...lol mIRC does not have it
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[22:16:48] <Aero-Tec> hello JT
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[22:28:39] <tjb1> JT-Shop: !
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[22:35:48] <BJfreeman> http://www.irssi.org/
[22:36:09] <JT-Shop> I'm back!
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[22:38:49] <Aero-Tec> jt, do you have a fav IRC client?
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[22:41:03] <Aero-Tec> was going to try hexIRC, but it wanted to install crap on the box
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[22:47:50] <JT-Shop> I used to use the one with firefox
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[22:54:21] <Aero-Tec2> tryig out a new client
[22:54:33] <Aero-Tec2> so far so good
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[23:26:41] <Aero-Tec> JT-Shop: I was using chatzilla as well, before, that is the one with fire fox
[23:27:22] <JT-Shop> yea, that's the one I used to use before switching to satillite internet
[23:27:56] <andypugh> I wonder how much current a 6mm stepper motor wants?
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[23:28:48] <JT-Shop> 6mm body?
[23:28:52] <JT-Shop> that is tiny
[23:29:03] <andypugh> Yes.
[23:29:04] <PCW> nema 1?
[23:29:11] <Aero-Tec> Xchat looks good
[23:29:18] <Aero-Tec> so far I like it
[23:29:35] <Aero-Tec> but getting the spell checker to work is being a pain
[23:29:46] <JT-Shop> Xchat is what I use now but on my windoze machines I use Xchat-2
[23:29:59] <JT-Shop> it won't work for me on windoze
[23:33:44] <andypugh> 30R winding resistance, so they look similar to the ones here: http://www.faulhaber.com/uploadpk/EN_ADM0620_PCS.pdf and it looks like I need a 75mA stepper driver....
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[23:34:11] <andypugh> It's a pity they are bipolar, I think they could cheerfuly run direct from a paralell port.
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[23:38:50] <PCW> If you are not concerned about effiiciency (or ustepping), you could use a uln2003
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[23:42:54] <PCW> 4 ULN2003 outputs all with 120 Ohm Pullups to 12V
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[23:47:38] <PCW> if the parallel port provides enough current you can do bipolar (4 outputs)
[23:48:43] <andypugh> Hmm, yes, swapping source and sink..
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