#linuxcnc | Logs for 2013-05-18

[00:00:14] <PetefromTn> Tom_itx Man I have been trying but this fella cannot stop trying to pull my trigger. I don't know what his problem is. Far as I can tell he is the only one.
[00:00:27] <Tom_itx> there is 'ignore'
[00:00:52] <PetefromTn> Yeah I have BEEN ignoring him. But then he pulls this crap....
[00:01:10] <andypugh> <stands on Pete's side of the room>
[00:01:11] <Tom_itx> if you ignore him you won't see his text
[00:01:35] <PetefromTn> I come here to chat with likeminded individuals and learn about the system I chose to spend a LOT of money integrating into my machine and I don't need any crap.
[00:01:41] <Tom_itx> good i'm not an op i suppose
[00:02:06] <PetefromTn> Tom_itx Really why is that?
[00:02:09] <sharpen047> http://pastebin.com/9j6hmavu
[00:02:32] <Tom_itx> the channels i am run rather smooth
[00:02:32] <sharpen047> oh look its not a p4! cool didnt know that
[00:02:53] <andypugh> Tom_itx: Except when you get in flamewars with yourself? :-)
[00:03:02] <Tom_itx> meh
[00:03:04] <Tom_itx> ;)
[00:03:44] <Tom_itx> been an op since 90ish in various places
[00:04:01] <PetefromTn> Tom_itx Just tell me where I have this problem with anyone else here and I will gladly leave and let you all enjoy yourselves without me.
[00:04:17] <Tom_itx> nobody's tellin you to leave
[00:04:58] <Jymmm> O_o
[00:05:09] <Tom_itx> well there's always an exception
[00:05:23] * Jymmm smacks Tom_itx for GP
[00:05:32] * Tom_itx ducks just in time
[00:06:11] <r00t4rd3d> i try to be nice and he just goes off....................................................................................
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[00:06:36] * Jymmm drops Tom_itx in the coolant tank nakkid then the swarf pile!
[00:06:48] <theforken> hi all
[00:06:48] <PetefromTn> how do you do that IGNORE thing again? Tired of the dilusional nutjob.
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[00:07:18] <Tom_itx> rightclick on the nick and a menu will pop up
[00:07:20] <Jymmm> both of you just go to your rooms
[00:07:33] <Tom_itx> oh hush it's friday night you party pooper
[00:07:34] <r00t4rd3d> you might just see what kind of nutjob i am you keep it up
[00:07:47] <Tom_itx> just wait til the booze starts takin over
[00:07:48] <PetefromTn> REALLY, you want my address?
[00:08:05] <Tom_itx> i suppose we could packet you
[00:08:16] <sharpen047> r00t4rd3d: http://pastebin.com/9j6hmavu
[00:08:19] <Tom_itx> wouldn't be the first time
[00:08:21] -!- mode/#linuxcnc [+o Jymmm] by ChanServ
[00:08:52] <PetefromTn> Okay I THINK I got the ignore working... I feel better already.
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[00:09:03] <r00t4rd3d> good.............
[00:09:18] <r00t4rd3d> now I will chat relentlessly
[00:09:23] <Tom_itx> well we're halfway there
[00:09:23] <r00t4rd3d> so you cant keep up
[00:09:32] <Jymmm> r00t4rd3d: PetefromTn : Both of you just STFU, and quit provlking/instigating
[00:09:42] <r00t4rd3d> dont you tell me to stfu Jymmm
[00:10:01] <Tom_itx> or what?
[00:10:05] -!- mode/#linuxcnc [+q r00t4rd3d!*@*] by Jymmm
[00:10:33] <Connor> WTF ?? I go away for a while.. and come back and we have a flame war going on ??
[00:10:53] <Jymmm> Connor: its all your fault anyway
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[00:11:04] <Tom_itx> heh
[00:11:14] <Connor> Always is.. Huih?
[00:11:37] <PetefromTn> eh, that's one too many punctuation marks dude....
[00:11:41] <andypugh> Was he drunk?
[00:11:41] <Jymmm> 2013-05-17 17:10:30 r00t4rd3d: ok motherfucker
[00:11:41] <Jymmm> 2013-05-17 17:10:54 r00t4rd3d: you gonna wish you never done that.
[00:12:02] * Tom_itx shakes in his boots
[00:12:23] <Connor> He gets a little bit strange sometimes...
[00:12:33] <PetefromTn> who me?
[00:12:50] <Connor> No. r00t4rd3d
[00:12:54] <Tom_itx> just turn rikus loose on him
[00:12:58] <PetefromTn> who the hell is that guy?
[00:13:01] <Jymmm> DROP IT
[00:13:11] <Tom_itx> naw we wanna keep mulling it over
[00:13:35] <Connor> *shurg* I dunno.. Some guy who's been coming around for a while.
[00:13:41] <andypugh> The wierdest thing here is Jymmm as the Vopice of Reason
[00:14:00] <Connor> andypugh: Yea. Jymmm is normally causing the problems... :)
[00:14:09] <sharpen047> *cough*anyway guys can i get some help?:) im trying to find out why my pci parallel port is crashing emc*cough*
[00:14:17] <theforken> guys can I ask you a linuxcnc related question :-)?
[00:14:22] <andypugh> Please
[00:14:25] <Tom_itx> of course you can
[00:14:27] <PetefromTn> shoot..
[00:15:04] <theforken> Ok I've got a new probe, a simple one, connected to an input pin
[00:15:13] <theforken> and it works
[00:15:16] <andypugh> sharpen047: Crashing how?
[00:15:29] <theforken> but when I'm homing i got some sort of interference
[00:15:52] <Tom_itx> are your motors grounded?
[00:16:09] <sharpen047> andypugh: when i open emc i get errors, not sure why yet, dmesg is...
[00:16:10] <Tom_itx> and wires shielded
[00:16:13] <theforken> one one axis hits the home switch I got a message like "probe during home motion"
[00:16:41] <theforken> was once one
[00:16:45] <andypugh> Are you sure you don't have the home and probe pins confused (in HAL or in actual wires)
[00:16:49] <sharpen047> andypugh: http://pastebin.com/xN2rtzfl
[00:17:20] <andypugh> It is also vaguely possibel that the home switch is dragging the port 5V down.
[00:17:44] <theforken> yes it could be
[00:17:45] <sharpen047> andypugh: i have no idea since i dont know why its not working. its a second port first is onboard this is pci. i JUST installed the card thats when i started getting the error
[00:17:53] <Tom_itx> or bouncing too much
[00:18:10] <Tom_itx> are you using debounce on them?
[00:18:15] <andypugh> sharpen047: does lsmod show lp ?
[00:18:27] <theforken> I could try connecting the probe to another 5V line..
[00:18:36] <andypugh> You might find that the system is grabbing the port for printing with.
[00:18:42] <sharpen047> 0 and 1 yes(not atm since i disabled onboard to test to make sure it was the right one i was troubleshooting)
[00:18:47] <theforken> no, no debounce (yet) it's my first test
[00:19:13] <Tom_itx> i had home problems until i added debounce
[00:19:24] <Tom_itx> watch it in hal scope to see how noisy it is
[00:19:25] <theforken> Is there a software debounce in hal or should I go for an hardware one?
[00:19:34] <Tom_itx> there's software one
[00:19:58] <Tom_itx> it'll show you how long to set the debounce time
[00:20:56] <theforken> good, I've attached a voltmeter to the probe output and the signal seems clean but a voltmeter it not that fast to catch rapid on-off
[00:21:08] <Tom_itx> watch it in halscope
[00:21:11] -!- mode/#linuxcnc [-q r00t4rd3d!*@*] by Jymmm
[00:21:58] <theforken> ok I'll watch it tomorrow (I'm in Italy it's 2.20AM :-)
[00:22:01] -!- mode/#linuxcnc [-o Jymmm] by Jymmm
[00:22:08] <Tom_itx> and also friday night
[00:23:56] <theforken> thanks a lot I'll check the pin with halscope and find some good debounce settings
[00:24:08] <sharpen047> andypugh: yes it does
[00:25:12] <andypugh> If you rmmod lp then try LinuxCNC again, can you claim the parport?
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[00:27:52] <theforken> QUIT bed time!
[00:27:54] <Jymmm> 2013-05-17 17:10:30 r00t4rd3d: ok motherfucker
[00:27:55] <Jymmm> 2013-05-17 17:10:54 r00t4rd3d: you gonna wish you never done that.
[00:27:55] <Jymmm> 2013-05-17 17:23:25 r00t4rd3d: i hope that was worth it
[00:27:55] <Jymmm> 2013-05-17 17:25:08 r00t4rd3d: Now, until PetefromTn is banned from LinuxCNC , the users of LinuxCNC will pay. Thanks to you.
[00:28:06] <Jymmm> Just fyi
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[00:28:27] <Jymmm> If he does anything, be sure to mention it.
[00:30:21] <PetefromTn> So anyone make anything interesting lately?
[00:31:02] <sharpen047> andypugh: how can i reclaim it?
[00:31:04] <Connor> I just got a regulator to add to the 1st stage of my scuba rig so I can power the drawbar.
[00:31:43] <PetefromTn> That should work real nice. I honestly thought very seriously about using my 4500 PSI tank for that at one point on the RF45 build.
[00:31:43] <Connor> Jymmm: WTF is with that? Did he drink 1 too many beers or something??
[00:32:05] <Jymmm> Connor: Unless he DOES something, lets just drop it, okey?
[00:32:08] <andypugh> sharpen047: If you rmmod lp then you should be able to claim it (lp is "lineprinter")
[00:32:14] <Connor> Jymmm: OKay. no problem.
[00:32:23] <Jymmm> Connor: thanks.
[00:32:47] <Connor> PetefromTn: I think it'll work good.. I only get about 5 or 6 operations out of my compressor before it has to recharge.
[00:33:19] <PetefromTn> that's not that bad actually. Or you could just add a tank near the machine to boost that.
[00:33:23] <andypugh> The longer-term solution if that works is to "blacklist" lp I think, but you need a Linux Guy to explain that.
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[00:35:24] <Connor> PetefromTn: I had the scuba tanks.. and a primary stage regulator.. and a LP to 1/4 NPT fitting..
[00:35:36] <Connor> So I decided scuba tank was way to go. :)
[00:35:42] <PetefromTn> well then it's a no brainer LOL.
[00:35:55] <Connor> I've not dove in over 13 years either..
[00:36:18] <PetefromTn> I used to dive a bunch but now I'm kinda landlocked LOL.
[00:36:23] <Connor> I WILL have to get my tanks hydro tested next time I get them filled up.
[00:36:38] <PetefromTn> aluminum or steel?
[00:37:10] <Connor> Plenty of nice rock quarry's in TN to dive.
[00:37:15] <Connor> 2 steel
[00:37:29] <PetefromTn> Oh yeah that's real nice divin' Hey look at the rock!
[00:37:47] <PetefromTn> Steel lasts a LONG time.
[00:38:05] <Connor> Few of them have some nice fish and some cool artifacts and stuff in them.. mining equipment etc.
[00:38:57] <Connor> They have the old style J valves on them.
[00:38:57] <PetefromTn> yeah I am sure but when you are used to diving in the Florida Keys or along the coast on wrecks etc. That is just pretty damn boring I think.
[00:39:19] <Connor> I never got to do any Ocean diving.. just fresh water stuff.
[00:39:23] <sharpen047> andypugh: do you know how to see which one is still there ? lp0 or lp1?
[00:39:27] <PetefromTn> Whatre ya gonna do about your flexing problem?
[00:39:40] <Connor> PetefromTn: Your going to help me make a new lift plate. :)
[00:39:47] <Connor> ROFL
[00:40:08] <Connor> just need to make the lift plate out of 1/2" steel instead of 3/8" Alum.
[00:40:19] <andypugh> sharpen047: Not only do I not know, I don't even understand the question
[00:40:32] <Connor> I was silly.. Might have been able to get away with it with 1/2" alumn.. But.. steel is the right way to go.
[00:40:41] <sharpen047> andypugh: is lp the module ro rmmod?
[00:40:57] <andypugh> I think so.
[00:40:59] <sharpen047> andypugh: to*
[00:41:04] <sharpen047> ok ill try it
[00:41:04] <PetefromTn> Oh okay, I might have to order some better steel cutters altho I do have a bunch of cutters here.
[00:41:25] <andypugh> I am winging it here hoping for someone who isn't basically a Mac user to offer some advice.
[00:41:36] <PetefromTn> Maybe something coated with say five flutes..
[00:42:27] <Connor> We don't have much to do on it.. 4.5" x 2.5" and a U shape with a large U shape pocket for clearance.. and then 6 holes.. (4 1/4 and 2, .323" sized)
[00:43:14] <PetefromTn> Okay man we'll see what we can do.
[00:43:20] <Connor> Cool.
[00:44:24] <Tom_itx> i'm not a big fan of odd flute cutters
[00:44:25] <sharpen047> andypugh: lp was correct, removing the module worked emc is open. problem is i dont have the onboard port enabled in bios and only one left is the pci slot which i dont know the address to
[00:44:49] <andypugh> cat /proc/ioports
[00:44:50] <PetefromTn> I love em... especially three flute in aluminum
[00:45:03] <sharpen047> andypugh: easily fixable to get my 3 axis working so thanks a bunch for that!
[00:45:08] <Tom_itx> 2 for alum 4 for steel
[00:45:40] <PetefromTn> to each his own.
[00:45:44] <andypugh> pi-flutes! Makes the maths easier!
[00:45:59] <Tom_itx> i like to be able to mic them for wear
[00:47:07] <Tom_itx> that's what i should do this evening... go cut a engraving bit
[00:47:29] <Tom_itx> got some carbide stubs but no good carbide cutting stone
[00:48:00] <Connor> NICE! This regulator has a wall mount bracket.. and locking top.
[00:49:03] <PetefromTn> that makes things easier..
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[00:57:28] <sharpen047> andypugh: http://pastebin.com/vahy1p8p
[00:58:07] <andypugh> 9c00-9c02 : parport0
[00:58:07] <andypugh> 9c03-9c07 : parport0
[00:58:23] <andypugh> Looks like 0x9c00
[00:59:09] <andypugh> (the numbering will change if you re-enable the onboard one, but that doesn't really matter)
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[01:07:12] <sharpen047> andypugh: thank you so much
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[01:07:45] <sharpen047> andypugh: im off for the night ill be on tomorrow but thanks a TON for your help
[01:08:36] <andypugh> It's getting towards morning here :-)
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[02:42:23] <generic_nick> yay, jeep now has working air conditioning.
[02:43:14] <generic_nick> just gotta adjust my rear pinion angle, change my spark plugs, change the transfer case rear output seal, and mount my winch and bumper
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[02:54:24] <andypugh> Quiet weekend then?
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[02:57:32] <generic_nick> ha
[02:57:50] <generic_nick> sure, i guess
[02:58:10] <generic_nick> i gotta change my spark plugs in the morning
[02:58:56] <andypugh> I used to change mine religiously. I stopped. OK so far...
[02:59:47] <generic_nick> my fuel pump was going out, so im pretty sure they're all overheated
[03:00:11] <generic_nick> it was running pretty lean for a while
[03:00:34] <generic_nick> you dont change them on your bike fairly often?
[03:01:59] <andypugh> I used to. But at $30 each, and half a day to dig down to them....
[03:03:41] <generic_nick> ouch
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[03:08:00] <skunkworks> I had a car that had the original plugs in the rear bank (v6 - rear bank against the fire wall)
[03:08:09] <skunkworks> 130k
[03:08:21] <skunkworks> The gap was wide to say the least
[03:08:24] <andypugh> You need to drain the coolant and remove the radiator and airbox to get the plugs out.
[03:08:40] <skunkworks> yeck
[03:09:25] <archivist> someone said there is a Renault van where it is engine out to change some of the plugs
[03:09:31] <andypugh> My dad had a V6 Peugeot where you had to move the engine to get the distributor cap off.
[03:09:38] <skunkworks> you could get to the rear 3 plugs with the right amount of extension, universals and finess..
[03:10:05] <ReadError> off topic, who makes a good solid pair of flush cutters?
[03:10:22] <ReadError> im tired of the cutting blade getting dented and not being able to cut stranded wire easily
[03:10:26] <andypugh> Allegedly valve clearances on a Countach involve a respray.
[03:10:58] <andypugh> ReadError: Steel wire?
[03:11:16] <ReadError> not really, just various things
[03:11:21] <ReadError> electronics
[03:14:06] <archivist> Lindstrom if cared for
[03:14:24] <andypugh> I have these: http://uk.rs-online.com/web/p/cable-cutters/0660012/ and they are perfect after 25 years
[03:15:34] <archivist> only semi flush(which has a stronger edge) but a good make
[03:15:59] <andypugh> http://uk.rs-online.com/web/p/cable-cutters/0539435/
[03:17:28] <andypugh> Proper box-jointed tools (ow do they do that?)
[03:17:45] <archivist> ew lindstrom prices are high these days
[03:19:21] <archivist> mine have a box joint RS are using stock photos, poor catalogue
[03:19:51] <andypugh> Ceka look better to me. (Lindstrom are not box-joint)
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[03:25:34] <archivist> seems modern lindstrom are cheaply made screw joint yet I just found some £5 box joint cutters http://www.palmermetals.co.uk/shop/tools/wire-cutters.html?p=2
[03:26:31] <andypugh> I guess that making a box joint may be easy in pot-metal :-)
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[03:28:51] <andypugh> I reckon that you would also be OK with Britool, Bahco, Knipex. http://www.ebay.com/itm/BRITOOL-EXPERT-Micro-Cutting-Plier-Extra-Flush-Cut-E117882B-/140961630437?pt=UK_Hand_Tools_Equipment&hash=item20d1f7c8e5
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[03:29:44] <andypugh> ReadError: Feeling Flush? http://www.ebay.com/itm/KNIPEX-ESD-Precision-Electronics-Pliers-Set-002016PESD-/140947912460?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item20d126770c
[03:30:15] <Connor> So, what's the best way to know how tight to tight down the draw bar (for PDB use.. Using belleville washers.)
[03:30:44] <andypugh> Ideally with a gauge.
[03:31:02] <Connor> pressure gauge or torque wrench ?
[03:31:55] <ReadError> those are fancy
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[03:32:40] <archivist> measure the amount of compression
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[03:32:53] <andypugh> There are special tools with gauges in that measure your drawbar force. Very spendy
[03:34:10] <Connor> the washers I have are rated @ working: 1,890lbs flat: 2,698lbs
[03:34:18] <andypugh> I think you can cheat and use a torque wrench and lever under the edge of the tool. And that measures the force with your particular pull-stud.
[03:34:26] <Connor> normal height is .120" working deflection @ load, .025"
[03:34:54] <Connor> TTS style.. no pull studd.
[03:34:55] <andypugh> Another way is to put an indicator on the tool and increase the air pressure until it moves.
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[03:35:58] <Connor> Right now.. I can operate my PDB at 60 PSI.. and remove the tool.. at the current tightness of the drawbar..
[03:36:37] <Connor> I'm using a 3" tripple stack cylinder.. so, thats around... 1272.345lbs
[03:37:20] <andypugh> I have 4" at 140psi and do worry that my force is too low.
[03:37:35] <Connor> single stack ?
[03:37:56] <Connor> that's around 1759.29
[03:37:58] <andypugh> Yes, and rather more travel than TTs
[03:38:38] <Connor> My lift plate is bending a bit too.. way more when i had it at 120psi.
[03:39:09] <Connor> but, taking it down to 60 not near as bad.. I think If I had of used 1/2" thick instead of 3/8" alum, I would be fine.
[03:39:21] <andypugh> 8kn to release, but how many to move off the taper? Not quite the same.
[03:39:44] <generic_nick> what are you making?
[03:40:01] <andypugh> I suspect that too-much is unlikely to be a problem
[03:40:20] <Connor> yea.. I'm not worried about TOO much.. I just want to back it down to just enough..
[03:41:28] <Connor> Just thinking I might be able to use my existing lift plate if I dial it back enough.
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[03:43:56] <Connor> Running it off the scuba tank was fun! :)
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[03:46:01] <Connor> My original odometer wring I made works good for helping tighten up the drawbar. I use a pin spanner in it.. and a wrench on the lug night.. and tighten id down.
[03:46:11] <Connor> wring = ring
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[14:28:45] <IchGuckLive> hi all from the Sunny Warm Germany ! O.O
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[14:29:12] <PetefromTn> hi ich..
[14:29:18] <IchGuckLive> B)
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[14:57:04] <sharpen047> GammaX-Shop: hey!
[14:58:52] <IchGuckLive> hi sharpen047
[14:59:07] <sharpen047> morning hows everything going?
[14:59:18] <IchGuckLive> im done today
[14:59:30] <IchGuckLive> 80+ sheets of plasma done
[14:59:30] <sharpen047> done with what?
[14:59:43] <IchGuckLive> 2mm 2x1m
[14:59:54] <IchGuckLive> 2plasma tables
[15:00:06] <sharpen047> from one machine?
[15:00:16] <IchGuckLive> tow
[15:00:21] <IchGuckLive> two
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[15:01:16] <sharpen047> i meant two machines from one pc?
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[15:01:50] <IchGuckLive> no
[15:02:17] <IchGuckLive> but the G-code comes from one server ! O.O
[15:03:01] <sharpen047> have a video of your plasma cutter?
[15:03:59] <IchGuckLive> no homemade standart ones
[15:04:07] <IchGuckLive> i got only a CAD modell
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[15:04:50] <sharpen047> ah, was going to say because ive been looking at second par ports on one pc
[15:05:11] <IchGuckLive> NP for thius
[15:05:23] <IchGuckLive> in the wiki there are lots of infos
[15:05:33] <IchGuckLive> i use DELOCK for the cards
[15:05:53] <IchGuckLive> you can also go for /i80 mesa to get 4 parport like outputs
[15:06:00] <IchGuckLive> via Ethernet
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[15:08:00] <sharpen047> yeah problem was i dont have a 4th/5th axis yet and was deciding if i could even do it. i have a second controller and 3 more motors. but ubuntu didnt like my second card
[15:08:45] <IchGuckLive> NP i drive 5Axis on one parport with the hotwire
[15:09:05] <sharpen047> IchGuckLive: i also heard that mesa cards can generate much faster pulses? and whats hotwire
[15:09:27] <sharpen047> and dont say for hotel rooms cheap
[15:09:33] <IchGuckLive> yes mesa 5i25 / 7i76 is best for this
[15:09:40] <IchGuckLive> about 50times faster
[15:10:04] <IchGuckLive> sharpen047: hotwire is foamcutter
[15:10:18] <sharpen047> you own a 5 axis?
[15:11:00] <sharpen047> IchGuckLive: i dont have the option of doing that off of one parport since i use 2 motors for my X
[15:12:10] <IchGuckLive> it is not a good idee to split the axis to 2 parports
[15:12:32] <sharpen047> IchGuckLive: like x y z on one then a and c on the other?
[15:12:45] <IchGuckLive> yes that is bad
[15:12:50] <sharpen047> why is that?
[15:13:08] <IchGuckLive> the second one is not as interpreted as the first
[15:13:51] <sharpen047> so i should change my first port to nothing but motor drivers and second for inputs? since i have 0 inputs i just use them all for driving them
[15:14:15] <sharpen047> IchGuckLive: so my best bet would be a mesa io card, thats what i keep hearing from people in here
[15:14:23] <IchGuckLive> sharpen047: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wT_ndXDZ0DU
[15:14:24] <Tecan> (wT_ndXDZ0DU) "Styrocut_Burg_2012" by "magic33de" is "Education" - Length: 0:05:43
[15:14:53] <IchGuckLive> sharpen047: yes this is best to go for
[15:14:57] <Tom_shop> sharpen047, just bite the bullet and join all the other happy campers
[15:15:31] <sharpen047> will i notice that much of a difference in speed? i currently am limited to about 66ipm. will that change?
[15:15:42] <Tom_shop> why use a pup tent when you can use a fancy rv
[15:15:54] <Tom_shop> yes
[15:16:08] <IchGuckLive> yes ofcause
[15:16:12] <Tom_shop> my old sherline system would do a reliable 20ipm now i'm up to 80 on it
[15:16:19] <Tom_shop> as a poor comparison
[15:16:20] <IchGuckLive> on 48V you can get 500ipm
[15:16:37] <sharpen047> well im limited to my 12 tpi leadscrews
[15:16:46] <Tom_shop> mine are 20
[15:16:52] <sharpen047> i can get 150 ipm but not really 100% steps
[15:16:59] <sharpen047> and youre at 80?!
[15:17:08] <Tom_shop> i got gecko drivers too
[15:17:15] <IchGuckLive> you will have no steploss on good config
[15:17:16] <Tom_shop> jumped from 24v to 48v
[15:17:17] <sharpen047> IchGuckLive: is that your hot wire machine or someone elses/
[15:17:18] <skunkworks> sharpen047: how is your 5 axis coming?
[15:17:35] <IchGuckLive> sharpen047: yes see the others its my channel
[15:17:49] <IchGuckLive> sharpen047: price
[15:18:04] <sharpen047> skunkworks: well looks like i should get a mesa io card but other than that i think id like to test to see if i can get the motors turning at all with a second par port before i buy the card
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[15:18:28] <Tom_shop> why do you keep insisting?
[15:18:28] <sharpen047> skunkworks: if i can finish that i just need a post for mastercam
[15:18:56] <sharpen047> IchGuckLive: what do you use to generate gcode? and nice output with a 6560. I have one but its absolutely terrible
[15:19:06] <IchGuckLive> mastercam 5 Axis fanuc 11M will get you to heven
[15:19:17] <sharpen047> Tom_shop: why do i keep insisting on a mesa card?
[15:19:31] <IchGuckLive> sharpen047: did you modify it
[15:19:31] <Tom_shop> on getting it working first with 2 parports
[15:19:34] <sharpen047> IchGuckLive: do you have experience with this?
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[15:19:56] <IchGuckLive> sharpen047: what mastercam
[15:20:17] <sharpen047> Tom_itx: i have the stuff to do this now. i want to make sure i can get it working before i buy the parts. if i can get output ill buy the stuff
[15:20:27] <sharpen047> IchGuckLive: x4
[15:20:55] <IchGuckLive> im a CNC/ CAD CAM teatcher in the University so yes i do
[15:21:12] <sharpen047> IchGuckLive: i use the modified faunc for 3 axis and that works great but i found it on another site. 5 axis is another story
[15:21:39] <sharpen047> IchGuckLive: i was told to get a working 5 axis post should cost me upwards of $1000
[15:22:07] <IchGuckLive> there is a 5Axis post on mastercam fanuc yoou only need to get the offsets in side
[15:22:17] <skunkworks> sharpen047: go mesa...
[15:22:22] <Tom_itx> sharpen047, you get the parts and you'll have a whole different animal
[15:22:34] <IchGuckLive> Deskproto for 200USD is also available on this 5Axis and good for 90% of work
[15:22:45] <sharpen047> skunkworks: i will especially if i can get a mastercam post
[15:23:01] <skunkworks> the 5i25 is like 2 printer ports on steroids right out of the box.. not including the daughter boards available.
[15:23:05] <Tom_itx> i wish i had a 5 axis post i'd like to see if it would do it
[15:23:09] <IchGuckLive> Tom_itx: did the M100 work ?
[15:23:26] <Tom_itx> it did but i removed it
[15:23:33] <Tom_itx> i don't need that for what i do
[15:23:44] <Tom_itx> i always set things up ahead
[15:23:46] <IchGuckLive> welcome onbioard
[15:23:52] <sharpen047> yeah i probably will go mesa, no reason not to. kinda sucks that i have to stick with my single core though.
[15:23:55] <skunkworks> sharpen047: I am not very strong on anything over 3 axis.. but I do know with kins - gcode programming is easier..
[15:24:11] <sharpen047> skunkworks: manual coding you mean?
[15:24:14] <skunkworks> yes
[15:24:18] <Tom_itx> sharpen047, even with multicore, you want to run single core thread
[15:24:26] <IchGuckLive> sharpen047: mesa also got a 6axis stepper card you might look for
[15:24:29] <skunkworks> (and I assume the post is easier)
[15:24:47] <IchGuckLive> im off toll 19:00 MEZ
[15:24:54] <sharpen047> IchGuckLive: so if i made a 4th and 5th axis how hard would it be to modify the post for the faunc? i know nothing about coding posts
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[15:25:17] <sharpen047> aw
[15:25:26] <Tom_itx> you've got your learning curve ahead it seems
[15:25:57] <Tom_itx> no documents on building posts for mastercam?
[15:26:10] <sharpen047> well i dont have any info on the post. thats the main part im suck on
[15:26:17] <sharpen047> no they are classes
[15:26:32] <Tom_itx> at least i've got the ref books to look at
[15:26:36] <sharpen047> classes which are about the same price as a custom post $1000
[15:27:04] <sharpen047> v9 and 10 are much easier but when they went with x they changed a lot and made it very very difficult to change
[15:28:31] <sharpen047> Tom_itx: so ill try to get the 2 par ports working so i can just run some 5 axis code. i wont make the rotary table or anything until i know i can get emc to read 5 axis code i can generate
[15:28:32] <Tom_itx> that's what steered me to smartcam
[15:29:17] <sharpen047> yeah you told me yesterday but i already have access to mastercam and know how to use it. i didnt pay for it and cant really afford another cam program
[15:29:29] <Tom_itx> i know
[15:29:52] <Tom_itx> it paid for it self in the first year though
[15:30:21] <sharpen047> well at least there are people who have 5 axis machines running mastercam and know how to do it. its just a matter of getting some help to change the post. ich was saying it was pretty simple, just a matter of offsets
[15:31:00] <Tom_itx> also, programmers tend to do things differently too
[15:31:11] <sharpen047> what do you mean?
[15:31:24] <Tom_itx> just how things are set up
[15:31:35] <Tom_itx> where you set your 0 reference etc
[15:31:46] <sharpen047> yeah i have a lot of work to do haha
[15:31:48] <Tom_itx> some programs we used a sphere
[15:32:11] <Tom_itx> some offset from vicejaws etc
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[15:32:16] <Tom_itx> just depends
[15:32:44] <sharpen047> things like that are what i want to know before i build the table. i can build the offsets to what i want
[15:34:25] <sharpen047> ill probably try to find ich again tonight my time
[15:34:58] <Tom_itx> are you in the us?
[15:35:25] <sharpen047> yes
[15:35:38] <Tom_itx> you should attend the fest next month
[15:35:49] <sharpen047> where would i get a mesa io card? a good one. i bought that 6560 from china and that was a mistake lol
[15:35:52] <sharpen047> fest?
[15:35:55] <Tom_itx> KimK said they were planning some talks on 5axis machining etc
[15:36:15] <Tom_itx> sharpen047, from pcw
[15:36:42] <Tom_itx> mesanet.com
[15:37:34] <Tom_itx> sharpen047, read the thread regarding the fest http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.linux.distributions.emc.user/42692/focus=42699
[15:38:09] <sharpen047> thanks
[15:39:20] <andypugh> sharpen047: I am going to swing the other way and say that you really ought to be able to get the system working with two parports.
[15:40:04] <Tom_itx> well, he should be able to but why if he plans to get mesa cards anyway?
[15:40:49] <sharpen047> andypugh: yeah i got the address with your help yesterday i havent been on since so ill start here in a few. i am looking at mesa cards but i dont need one yet, i have the stuff for 2 par ports and it shouldnt be too hard right? or so i thought.
[15:41:52] <sharpen047> i have zero income and right now its just a hobby. im trying not to spend it all on a mesa card when i dont have the hardware for it yet. even with a 3 axis it will speed it up but that 200 could go to actual hardware
[15:41:55] <andypugh> I am quite a fan of the Mesa stuff, but you ought to be able to spin motors this weekend with the parport.
[15:42:30] <sharpen047> if i can spin them ill work on the post. if i get the post ill order a mesa card and make the rotary table. im set on that 5 axis
[15:43:14] <Tom_itx> you gonna put a rotary in a cradle for the 5 axis?
[15:43:51] <sharpen047> i was going to try to yes, since spinning the router could be a problem
[15:44:07] <sharpen047> i got the idea from this http://www.ebay.com/itm/CNC-engraving-machine-Rotary-Axis-A-Axis-B-Axis-4th-5th-Axis-CNC-Rotary-Table/261198401838?_trksid=p2047675.m1850&_trkparms=aid%3D222002%26algo%3DSIC.FIT%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D11%26meid%3D7729271719685717765%26pid%3D100011%26prg%3D1005%26rk%3D1%26sd%3D261118755481%26
[15:45:45] <archivist> oh "that toy"
[15:46:28] * archivist hopes sharpen047 makes a better one
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[15:49:36] <archivist> not sure how the cutting torque is resisted by the stepper in that, it looks like the table is on the stepper spindle
[15:51:02] <andypugh> " B Axis(the 5th axis): Nema23 3.5A stepper motor, direct-connecting coupling."
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[15:51:22] <archivist> nasty
[15:52:21] <sharpen047> archivist: oh i plan on making a better one haha. 20 lbs is not enough for me. id rather over build it. running my current psu at 50% motors are at 66% and can still make the machine more ridgid
[15:52:45] <archivist> sharpen047, what do you intend making with the machine
[15:53:14] <sharpen047> archivist: thats why this is just a hobby so far :) but i have plans of making a mold for some parts here soon
[15:53:49] <sharpen047> archivist: ive spent the last year or so designing and building 2 cncs one is a small desktop the second and current one is a 4x5' machine in my garage.
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[15:54:44] <sharpen047> archivist: thats actually why i am here, i dont know what to make or where i should go but i am very limited with a 3 axis and a 5 doesnt seem out of reach. i dont currently know anyone whatsoever who has a cnc in person
[15:56:56] <sharpen047> andypugh: im going to try to get 2 par oorts up right now ill start the mahcine up
[15:57:06] <archivist> I like some gearing between the stepper and tables so one can get some accuracy and resolution and less reflected torque
[15:58:30] <andypugh> If you can find them, harmonic drives are nice.
[15:58:54] <andypugh> Rotary tables can work, but the worm reduction always adds a bit of backlash.
[15:59:45] <L84Supper> and direct drive rotary tables are pretty pricey
[15:59:56] <andypugh> This is just two rotary tables and an angle plate. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oh9eCupbsso
[15:59:57] <Tecan> (Oh9eCupbsso) "Linuxcnc-5axis- 2" by "Rudy du Preez" is "Tech" - Length: 0:06:13
[15:59:59] <archivist> I am wishing for some harmonic drives till then the rotaries drive in one direction to avoid backlash
[16:01:02] <andypugh> Have you considered making harmonic drives?
[16:01:26] <archivist> considered only :)
[16:02:14] <Tom_itx> looking at those, it seems to me you would want the rotary table top in the same plane as the centerline of the cradle
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[16:03:41] <archivist> my angle plate/rotary is very similar
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[16:04:23] <andypugh> Tom_itx: Probably, though the kins can cope, and you might prefer the bigger work envelope
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[16:05:08] <sharpen047> andypugh: yes i intend on gearing everything down
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[16:06:03] <archivist> I use the same vertex on mine with a copy larger rotary on the B
[16:06:04] <Tom_itx> you probably wouldn't want to swing too big a part around anyway
[16:06:48] <sharpen047> if i wanted to mill out a 1'x1'x2" piece of 7075 id like to be able to
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[16:08:03] <andypugh> This 5-axis is running LinuxCNC too: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mxxdq6y8z8M It can handle your 1' x 1' http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mxxdq6y8z8M
[16:08:04] <Tecan> (mxxdq6y8z8M) "LinuxCNC 5 axis cinci at MPM" by "sws1253" is "Tech" - Length: 0:05:35
[16:08:17] <Tom_itx> 5 axis would have been nice when we hogged out 6 test articles from 12 x 12 x 24 ti billet
[16:08:27] <Tom_itx> for trailing links on landing gear
[16:09:25] <sharpen047> andypugh: hey how would i find the new address of the second parport
[16:09:29] <Tom_itx> they tried using exhisting forgings but found them to be too weak
[16:09:32] <L84Supper> I'm building something similar but with 1 arc second repeatability
[16:09:44] <sharpen047> what is an arc second
[16:09:50] <andypugh> cat /proc/ioports
[16:09:55] <sharpen047> thanks
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[16:10:13] <andypugh> I thought you foind it lst night? 0x9400 wasn't it?
[16:10:19] <L84Supper> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minute_of_arc
[16:10:27] <Tom_itx> deg min sec
[16:10:31] <Tom_itx> of measure
[16:10:37] <sharpen047> andypugh: that was when the onboard was disabled
[16:10:38] <archivist> a divided gnats cock
[16:10:47] <andypugh> The address won't change.
[16:11:01] <sharpen047> Tom_itx: thats pretty cool when is measurments in minutes?
[16:11:11] <sharpen047> andypugh: ok ill try rmmodding again
[16:12:10] <L84Supper> most harmonic drives get down to about 1 arc minute for repeatability
[16:12:13] <sharpen047> andypugh: so it says 9c00-9c02 so would 0x9c00 be what i put into stepconf?
[16:12:34] <andypugh> I think so, yes. (I rarely use stepconf)
[16:13:02] <sharpen047> ok i got an ssh up so ill go out and try to run it then and see if it errors again
[16:14:12] <L84Supper> http://www.harmonicdrive.net/products/componentsets/shg-component/ typical Positional Accuracy
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[16:18:51] <sharpen047> what do those do L84Supper
[16:20:20] <L84Supper> Those are harmonic drives. Fancy rotary stages. What you'll find in most robot arms
[16:25:05] <sharpen047> ok got vnc up on the cnc pc
[16:27:47] <sharpen047> andypugh: ok still errors using 0x9c00
[16:28:01] <andypugh> What error?
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[16:29:05] <sharpen047> andypugh: parport0 claim failed. i even rmmod lp like last time
[16:29:30] <andypugh> Well, it looks like a good indication that that is the parport.
[16:29:44] <andypugh> You just need to find out what is claiming it.
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[16:30:46] <L84Supper> sharpen047: http://www.ebay.com/itm/haas-hrt-210-trunnion-table-for-4th-axis-rotary-table-/171039890269?pt=BI_Tool_Work_Holding&hash=item27d2c59b5d
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[16:31:40] <Daywalker198454> hello i always get this error [ 9172.971304] [fglrx:firegl_apl_loadDatabase] *ERROR* APL: apl initialize fail.
[16:31:41] <sharpen047> andypugh: how would i find out? lsmod?
[16:31:42] <Daywalker198454> [ 9172.973359] [fglrx:firegl_apl_loadDatabase] *ERROR* APL: apl initialize fail.
[16:31:43] <Daywalker198454> what to do now?? :(
[16:31:47] <andypugh> sharpen047: Step 25 here, then reboot: http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?EMC_Ubuntu91
[16:31:51] <sharpen047> L84Supper: looks heavy duty haha
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[16:34:13] <sharpen047> rebooting
[16:34:39] <sharpen047> darn forgot to put ssh into startup services lol
[16:34:51] <andypugh> Humph! He logged out before I could answer!
[16:36:07] <andypugh> sharpen047: Does your HAL include "loadrt prob_parport" ?
[16:36:24] <andypugh> (probably spelled correctly)
[16:37:02] <sharpen047> andypugh: its open! with 2 ports enabled!
[16:37:09] <sharpen047> wait.. this the right one sec
[16:37:32] <andypugh> If it is working, don't worry about it :-)
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[16:38:25] <sharpen047> andypugh: how would i change pinouts of the second parport? since stepconf doesnt let me
[16:39:55] <andypugh> If you look at the connections made in the HAL file with parport.0, you need to copy and edit similar things for the other axes. (And once you have done that, you can't use Stepconf again without losing the changes)
[16:40:14] <sharpen047> yeah i found that out with the no force homing thing
[16:40:19] <andypugh> But Stepconf is not going to get you all that far with a 5-axis anyway
[16:40:26] <sharpen047> i should really install limit switches
[16:40:43] <sharpen047> yeah will emc know what to do with 5 axes?
[16:44:13] <andypugh> If you edit the INI to say that there are 5 and you want XYZAB (or 6 and XYZABC) and create [AXIS_N] sections for them all, then yes.
[16:44:15] <sharpen047> so A and C will both be rotary right?
[16:44:35] <andypugh> XYZAC is _still_ 6 joints, by the way.
[16:44:40] <sharpen047> isnt a and b for a rotary table and moving spindle?
[16:44:56] <sharpen047> i want a and b?
[16:45:11] <andypugh> It's up to you :-)
[16:46:04] <sharpen047> lol is a moving spindle and moving table the same thing? the software doesnt know which is which like a table x axis or moving gantry?
[16:48:11] <L84Supper> yeah, it's all relative
[16:48:17] <sharpen047> and for the rotary table with 1 to 8 reduction what would my leadscrew pitch be? would it be 360 or 1? there is no leadscrew its just a pulley
[16:49:19] <sharpen047> then if i get a mesa card what step rate would change? jitter would be the same right? so does that mean smaller pulses are generated?
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[16:51:25] <L84Supper> you might be conflating a few things there that don't have anything to do with each other
[16:51:50] <sharpen047> how would a mesa card increase speed of the motors?
[16:52:27] <andypugh> You only ned to set the SCALE for the axis when editing by hand. And that is just the number of steps per degree.
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[16:53:28] <IchGuckLive> hi all B)
[16:53:37] <andypugh> so yoiur SCALE would be 200 x 8 / 360 = 4.444444 (or more if you have microstepping)
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[16:54:00] <pcw_home> If your base thread rate limits the step rate to something lower your drives/motors are capable of,
[16:54:02] <pcw_home> then yes a hardware stepgen will increase the maximum velocities
[16:54:05] <sharpen047> ms of 10
[16:54:07] <andypugh> Jitter is zero with a Mesa card, the steps are generated in Hardware
[16:54:09] <sharpen047> so 44.4
[16:54:20] <sharpen047> wait... NO jitter?
[16:54:44] <sharpen047> that mean i can use an nvidia card too? and a multicore processor?
[16:55:31] <andypugh> You still need good realtime performance to schedule the step rate
[16:55:32] <pcw_home> You do not want jitter thats an appreciable part of the servo thread time
[16:56:00] <sharpen047> ah ok but no jitter issues since its about 6000 now?
[16:56:42] <pcw_home> 10 times that is OK for a hardware stepgen system
[16:57:59] <sharpen047> ok and what kind of card would i want? pci or ethernet? im going to go look what i should expect to get one for
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[16:58:25] <IchGuckLive> 7i80
[16:58:55] <sharpen047> IchGuckLive: youre back!
[16:59:03] <IchGuckLive> B)
[16:59:34] <pcw_home> I would get your parallel ports (and kinematics) working first and see
[16:59:35] <sharpen047> IchGuckLive: would you be able to help me mod a faunc mill post for mastercam? i realize its a big job haha
[16:59:36] <pcw_home> where your limitations are before buying any more hardware
[16:59:58] <sharpen047> pcw_home: i need kinematics? and thats why i am doing this now
[17:00:39] <sharpen047> pcw_home: someone said mastercam would do the job of kinematics
[17:00:40] <IchGuckLive> sharpen047: depending on your mashine layout it might not fit
[17:01:01] <sharpen047> IchGuckLive: i have a 3 axis now and id like to make a rotary table on a rotating table
[17:01:19] <pcw_home> Yes, AFAIK you need a 5 axis kinematics module that matches your mechanics
[17:01:28] <IchGuckLive> sharpen047: so AXYZ
[17:01:38] <sharpen047> 5 axis
[17:01:42] <sharpen047> a and b
[17:02:06] <IchGuckLive> there the mindblower starts of
[17:02:27] <sharpen047> hardware isnt built yet for the table. it will be similar to this http://www.ebay.com/itm/CNC-engraving-machine-Rotary-Axis-A-Axis-B-Axis-4th-5th-Axis-CNC-Rotary-Table/261198401838?_trksid=p2047675.m1850&_trkparms=aid%3D222002%26algo%3DSIC.FIT%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D11%26meid%3D7729271719685717765%26pid%3D100011%26prg%3D1005%26rk%3D1%26sd%3D261118755481%26
[17:03:10] <IchGuckLive> this mounted on XY
[17:03:23] <IchGuckLive> or only on X
[17:03:35] <IchGuckLive> if you go at XY
[17:03:47] <sharpen047> im guessing x and y?
[17:03:48] <IchGuckLive> you ae done with many posts to fit this
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[17:05:06] <sharpen047> done with?
[17:05:24] <IchGuckLive> http://www.blaier.de/images/maschinen/th_hermle_c40u.jpg
[17:05:33] <IchGuckLive> this is yours mounted on Y
[17:05:40] <IchGuckLive> with Z on X
[17:06:17] <IchGuckLive> you can also go for XYZ AB
[17:06:28] <IchGuckLive> sorry AC
[17:06:31] <sharpen047> im not following,
[17:06:41] <sharpen047> what do you mean mounted on?
[17:06:52] <IchGuckLive> depending on mashine sezup the post reacts on kinetics
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[17:07:18] <IchGuckLive> the axes mounted to the base
[17:07:45] <sharpen047> oh ok so mounted at an angle vs flat on the ground?
[17:09:12] <IchGuckLive> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VS1aiDI-LJI
[17:09:13] <Tecan> (VS1aiDI-LJI) "Eifel Adds 5 Axis Machining Capabilities With Hermle C40" by "patropper" is "Tech" - Length: 0:03:14
[17:09:17] <sharpen047> IchGuckLive: thanks for the 7i80 recommendation. even says on the page it works with my stepper driver, g540
[17:09:44] <IchGuckLive> vid at 1:02
[17:10:24] <IchGuckLive> Hermle uses M128 for 5 axis multisyncron milling
[17:10:34] <andypugh> I don't think the 7i80 is properly supported by LinuxCNC quite yet, though.
[17:12:16] <sharpen047> IchGuckLive: thats a nice cnc.. which one is that moutnted on?
[17:12:19] <IchGuckLive> with your gecko best to use only a FPG card from mesa
[17:12:27] <sharpen047> andypugh: what do you recommend then?
[17:12:38] <IchGuckLive> this is a XYZ AC config
[17:13:10] <IchGuckLive> i think 7i43
[17:13:50] <sharpen047> AC is what i was planning on
[17:13:56] <andypugh> Get the parport working first, I say.
[17:14:45] <andypugh> By then the 7i80 support might be in a released version :-)
[17:14:48] <IchGuckLive> there are posts out for this
[17:15:07] <IchGuckLive> mastercam x4 has a Her,mle TNC 425 on board
[17:15:49] <IchGuckLive> you can use the iso for this to get real axis values insted of M128 Recalculate inside
[17:15:52] <sharpen047> wouldnt i need to modify my posts for the hardware i make? with offsets to the axis of the hardware? where would i find one? posted on cnczone with no luck after 2-3 weeks of posting and searching
[17:16:29] <IchGuckLive> only the ofset for the "schwenkpunkt" is needed
[17:16:46] <sharpen047> whats the iso?
[17:17:04] <sharpen047> theres a post for TNC 425 in mastercam already?
[17:17:07] <IchGuckLive> iso is G01 Hermle is L ,CP, Lp
[17:17:33] <sharpen047> "schwenkpunkt"?
[17:17:48] <IchGuckLive> calulated rotation point
[17:18:03] <IchGuckLive> verses real rotation axis point
[17:18:31] <sharpen047> ok so i would need to change the iso and offsets in the post? otherwise its already there?
[17:18:45] <sharpen047> or is that why you said kinematics since that would compensate for the real values
[17:18:46] <andypugh> I think that machine geometry would be inputs into the CAM, not fixed in the post.
[17:18:51] <IchGuckLive> its a simple textfile that mastercam reads in
[17:19:31] <IchGuckLive> post is ofsetting this
[17:19:35] <sharpen047> ah i feel so clueless
[17:20:05] <sharpen047> let me try to find the post or machine file through mastercam
[17:21:07] <sharpen047> not sure where it would be
[17:22:18] <sharpen047> IchGuckLive: any idea where icould find it?
[17:23:12] <IchGuckLive> if you got a full or education license ther is a postmodyfier
[17:23:49] <IchGuckLive> http://www.cnczone.com/forums/attachments/ptc_pro_manufacture/45009d1191988685-proe_nc_post_processor_centriodm39-fil04.gif
[17:24:18] <sharpen047> i do not have any, mastercam isnt mine
[17:25:58] <sharpen047> i can use the machine shop to use mastercam but i have to come up with a post
[17:26:25] <IchGuckLive> so ask your friend how he woudt like to do the mashine setup as ge got the posts inside
[17:26:45] <IchGuckLive> a maschine post on mastercam is near 800USD
[17:27:07] <sharpen047> IchGuckLive: i have remote access to mastercam. i can get the files that come with it
[17:27:37] <IchGuckLive> so first find a post then get the mashine layout
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[17:28:15] <ReadError> you have to pay for a post processor?
[17:28:35] <IchGuckLive> the mashine shop got them for you
[17:28:57] <IchGuckLive> if you buy a C40 for instand you fet the full working on your cam
[17:29:11] <IchGuckLive> no matter what cam you use
[17:29:19] <IchGuckLive> of the big &
[17:29:23] <sharpen047> actually i have a couple on my usb drive. i have a haas vf-tr and a generic faunc 5x
[17:29:41] <IchGuckLive> Catia Solid,Hypermill,PTC
[17:30:12] <IchGuckLive> haas vf will do the job as it is iso
[17:30:31] <IchGuckLive> i got the VF4 and minimill in the shop
[17:31:22] <sharpen047> ok iso should work then
[17:31:46] <IchGuckLive> the haas tr uses a other setup
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[17:33:09] <sharpen047> how can i tell if the faunc is iso?
[17:33:29] <IchGuckLive> fanuc got many Cycles
[17:33:45] <IchGuckLive> haas is a dam controller
[17:35:16] <sharpen047> so am i stuck?
[17:35:39] <IchGuckLive> no
[17:35:57] <IchGuckLive> kinetics is your friend B)
[17:36:22] <sharpen047> so i need to find a machine that uses iso and use kinematics to adjust for "schwenkpunkt"
[17:36:33] <IchGuckLive> what is your goal to reasdch in parts
[17:36:52] <IchGuckLive> as 99% is a AXYZ
[17:37:05] <IchGuckLive> or a CXYZ
[17:37:12] <sharpen047> molds and holes in the side of things
[17:37:39] <IchGuckLive> holes parallel to Z is not 5 axis
[17:38:02] <sharpen047> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KAvzGJd8D7k if i can do that out of plastic
[17:38:03] <Tecan> (KAvzGJd8D7k) "C40U-Impeller" by "HermleAG" is "Tech" - Length: 0:02:00
[17:38:14] <IchGuckLive> 5 axis is tool perpendicular to the material
[17:38:37] <IchGuckLive> impellar is 5 Axis
[17:39:42] <IchGuckLive> but you can also dio this on 4
[17:40:06] <IchGuckLive> as you turn your part and postprozess at different angels
[17:40:59] <sharpen047> how do i change the angles without a 5th axis?
[17:41:05] <IchGuckLive> Roufing etch üplate space at cewnter degree and finishing on half spacingdegree to left and right
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[17:41:51] <IchGuckLive> mashine is 5 axis but miling is on 4 and rotation positineng
[17:44:31] <IchGuckLive> sharpen047: mabe this gives you a idee how the procedure works http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zd7JtgjwCog
[17:44:32] <Tecan> (zd7JtgjwCog) "VERICUT Training Session 301 MasterCAM to VERICUT Interface" by "Vericut01" is "Tech" - Length: 0:12:42
[17:45:29] <IchGuckLive> this is XZ YAC
[17:47:13] <sharpen047> so it comes down to tools too?
[17:47:29] <IchGuckLive> its the W ofset
[17:48:05] <IchGuckLive> from the Schwenkpunkt Tool tip towards G53 mesured
[17:49:36] <sharpen047> in other words it is manual
[17:49:51] <sharpen047> change orientation then run another toolpath
[17:50:05] <IchGuckLive> within toolpath
[17:50:12] <IchGuckLive> C45
[17:50:17] <IchGuckLive> C47.5
[17:50:33] <IchGuckLive> and inbetween the Code
[17:50:49] <IchGuckLive> with A moves on toolpath
[17:52:56] <IchGuckLive> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8BrUeAwDfAU at 2:20 you can see XYZ BC with fixed A45deg
[17:52:57] <Tecan> (8BrUeAwDfAU) "Siemens NX to VERICUT Demo File" by "Vericut01" is "Tech" - Length: 0:03:26
[17:53:02] <sharpen047> i5 axis is really hard?
[17:53:06] <IchGuckLive> its a Deckel Maho NX
[17:53:09] <sharpen047> hard to post
[17:55:01] <IchGuckLive> if you look hard in 1:56 at the G-code you see al the kinetics is given to the Cycles and M126 with M129 A45 is called
[17:56:39] <IchGuckLive> sharpen047: this shoudt be your setup http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tAu61PrhIy0
[17:56:40] <Tecan> (tAu61PrhIy0) "Mazak-impeller.avi" by "Vericut01" is "Tech" - Length: 0:02:01
[17:56:44] <sharpen047> i see though
[17:56:47] <andypugh> sharpen047: Try it, you can create G-code by hand, and the degree of difficulty youhave is indicative of how hard it is for a machine.
[17:57:02] <IchGuckLive> its a mazak impellar
[17:57:54] <sharpen047> isnt that 5 axis?
[17:58:08] <IchGuckLive> its a XYA C
[17:58:20] <sharpen047> i see
[17:58:49] <sharpen047> but i am converting my XYZ machine
[17:58:49] <andypugh> I thought that the Integrex was XZAC?
[17:58:56] <andypugh> Sorry, XYZAC
[17:59:21] <IchGuckLive> there is no Z on this mazak
[17:59:34] <IchGuckLive> Z is the turret
[17:59:46] <sharpen047> right thats why i am confused.. my machine is xyz and i want to add a table that has 4 and 5
[17:59:50] <sharpen047> i already have z
[18:00:03] <sharpen047> my cnc isnt like that one
[18:00:20] <IchGuckLive> so stay with XYZ and AC
[18:00:27] <sharpen047> so i need a post
[18:00:31] <sharpen047> haha
[18:00:59] <IchGuckLive> mastercam brings in all this standard configs
[18:01:13] <sharpen047> but i need iso right?
[18:02:09] <IchGuckLive> on Linuxcnc yes
[18:02:24] <sharpen047> how do i find an iso post?
[18:02:26] <IchGuckLive> no cycles no user mcodes
[18:03:14] <sharpen047> how would i do that?
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[18:17:00] <sharpen047> andypugh: hey still there?
[18:17:06] <andypugh> Aye
[18:17:17] <sharpen047> ich a regular?
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[18:17:25] <archivist> erm....yes
[18:17:34] <andypugh> Yes, though on CET.
[18:17:56] <sharpen047> hard to understand but he tries to help
[18:18:15] <sharpen047> haha, looks like ill need another cam program basically
[18:18:32] <archivist> he does not always find out you real needs so helps "his" way
[18:18:46] <sharpen047> i noticed haha
[18:18:54] <sharpen047> he said 4 axis and make another machine
[18:19:13] <archivist> I just shut up or some times tell him what the original question was
[18:19:36] <sharpen047> haha
[18:21:19] <sharpen047> 4 axis is a neat idea but doesnt work for my machine
[18:21:42] <sharpen047> cnctoolkit is supposed to have 5 axis cam processing but it just crashes for me
[18:22:03] <archivist> 5 axis cam is not trivial
[18:23:12] <sharpen047> i know mastercam.. and can get a toolpath from it how i want it but i cant get it from mastercam to emc
[18:23:13] <archivist> although for some stuff hand coding is a real option
[18:26:13] <archivist> one of the posts is probably near enough to start playing with
[18:27:31] <sharpen047> but i dont know where to start
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[18:31:22] <sharpen047> i have mach3 but same issue, no post
[18:33:59] <archivist> have tried the generic haas 5 axis post yet ?
[18:34:29] <archivist> if I had mastercam it is what I would be looking at
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[18:41:16] <sharpen047> i have
[18:41:23] <sharpen047> idk what to test to be honest
[18:41:34] <sharpen047> i changed the settings in mastercam
[18:41:44] <sharpen047> for AC rather than ab or whatever it had
[18:41:48] <archivist> and results? any error messages ?
[18:42:17] <sharpen047> yeah said bad character a last i tried but i havent tried it since i changed it
[18:42:30] <sharpen047> but dont i need kinematics still?
[18:42:56] <archivist> may not need kinematics dunno
[18:43:34] <sharpen047> ok let me get some test code going
[18:44:01] <archivist> you would get a bad character A if your machine is still set for 3 axis
[18:44:50] <archivist> one of the fist errors I remember when trying 4/5 axis on my machine while it was still 3
[18:44:55] <archivist> first
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[18:45:47] <L84Supper> I thought that mastercam has a post builder that you are free to edit
[18:46:44] <archivist> I assume one needs a partial coding head to understand how to build a post
[18:47:39] <L84Supper> yeah, it's not like a simple graphical tool where you just connect the dots
[18:48:50] <L84Supper> I forgot what they said they wrote it in, but if you buy it they said it's all open to be modified, they have no closed blobs in the post processor
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[18:50:01] <archivist> but looking at an exiting post should help there if one understands gcode
[18:50:12] <archivist> existing
[18:50:27] <L84Supper> http://www.mmattera.com/mastercam/posts/how2write_a_post.html they even mention that here
[18:54:00] <archivist> this line is funny Get the exact... Machine model, mfg name, control model number and control mfg. name.
[18:54:10] <archivist> I made it....
[18:56:27] <L84Supper> they have a way for you to write your own machine config as well
[18:57:04] <L84Supper> we asked them about how to support 5-axis printing
[18:57:47] <L84Supper> create additive tools and creating the machine config
[18:58:28] <L84Supper> it wasn't simple but it's in there if you want to modify it
[19:00:44] <tjb1> Starting as a manufacturing engineer on 16C collets in 3 weeks :D
[19:03:29] <L84Supper> Hardinge?
[19:03:41] <tjb1> yes
[19:04:11] <sharpen047> archivist: 5 axis is a lot harder than 3 to program haha takes FOREVER to calculate too
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[19:12:12] <archivist> sharpen047, most of my little programs are within a day to hand write, but they are just for gears or regular shapes so each is usually based on something previous
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[19:16:39] <archivist> once done they generally have a constant or few that get edited for a generic class of part
[19:25:28] <sharpen047> archivist: just interesting how hard they make it to make your own cncs with more than 3 axes
[19:25:58] <archivist> they?
[19:27:08] <sharpen047> every step is hard, generating code, post and even setting a pc up to control it
[19:28:18] <archivist> people do not make stuff hard to do deliberately, and hard is relative to previous experience
[19:30:50] <archivist> as complexity goes up, so do the possible number of permutations
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[19:50:30] <sharpen047> archivist: cannot use 2 gcodes that use axis values
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[19:54:06] <sharpen047> that is the error
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[20:17:14] <archivist> sharpen047, er better description please
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[20:59:24] <sharpen047> archivist: thats the error it gives me
[20:59:46] <cradek> on what line of gcode?
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[21:01:03] <sharpen047> line 5 which is the tool descrip, 4 says g0 g28 g91 z0.and 6 says m11
[21:01:44] <cradek> ok, what have you tried to fix it?
[21:02:09] <sharpen047> changed posts deleted some lines after that still same thing
[21:02:47] <cradek> have you tried to identify what two gcodes on that line use axis values?
[21:03:25] <sharpen047> not yet
[21:03:34] <sharpen047> trying to figure out second par port pinouts
[21:03:51] <sharpen047> also doing a video tut on 5 axis mastercam stuff
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[23:07:36] <PetefromTn> sucks to be broke sometimes.... http://knoxville.craigslist.org/tls/3814020816.html
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[23:23:06] <andypugh> I wonder what is in the base?
[23:23:39] <andypugh> Looking at it, there are far fewer knobs and levers than normal, is that CNC?
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[23:32:51] <PetefromTn> Dunno really, I am sure it is power fed but CNC I doubt it...especially for that price unless it is smoked control wise.
[23:34:48] <andypugh> Normally there are all sorts of trips and levers to set strokes and feeds.
[23:35:13] <andypugh> Unless it is totally manual, and the cabinet stand is far too big for that
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[23:37:14] <andypugh> PetefromTn: http://www.trutechsystems.com/Other/TT8000_Email.pdf
[23:38:47] <PetefromTn> andypugh Yeah man I have seen a bunch of different kinds of surface grinders but dunno the story about that paricular one. Most I have seen are manual with just power feed for the table and height and position knobs.
[23:39:30] <PetefromTn> Either way I would not kick it out of my shop as that is one of the few capacities I don't have here LOL
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[23:39:45] <andypugh> That Link is a very similar machine. (Truetech have merged with Harig. I think that at least the base machine is identical)
[23:40:19] <PetefromTn> I'm sure either way I cannot afford it right now but I just thought it was a decent price for a brand name surface grinder.
[23:40:55] <andypugh> This turned out well: http://www.linuxcnc.org/index.php/english/forum/41-guis/26550-lathe-macros#34357
[23:41:31] <andypugh> A Universal grinder is probably a better buy, if one comes up.
[23:44:20] <andypugh> This would be good, except that as far as I can see the grinding head is competely missing: http://www.ebay.com/itm/370757204536
[23:45:02] <andypugh> My dad has a very similar machine, and it can do surface and cylindrical (ID and OD) grinding.
[23:45:34] <PetefromTn> Would love to have both cylindrical grinding is sweet.
[23:45:43] <PetefromTn> Your lathe setup looks real nice man.
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[23:46:48] <andypugh> It is rather guilty of looking a lot more advanced than it really is.
[23:47:42] <andypugh> That screenshot doesn't do anything I can't already do with PyVCP and 5 spinboxes.
[23:48:21] <andypugh> (Except for remembering the settings, and communicating far more efficiently with the G-code)
[23:48:35] <PetefromTn> yeah but you like it right LOL
[23:52:37] <Tom_itx> nice one andy
[23:55:18] <andypugh> I need to work out why, on my real lathe, it errors out with "can't do G1 move with zero feed rate", but it works perfectly on the sim.