#linuxcnc | Logs for 2013-05-15

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[00:08:14] <JT-Shop> GammaX: yep
[00:21:40] <ssi> ok I have no idea what's going on
[00:21:49] <ssi> when I touch off Z, it insists it's at -3
[00:21:55] <ssi> but i'm touching it off to 0
[00:21:58] <ssi> where is that offset coming from
[00:22:12] <ssi> thcud.cur-offset is always 0
[00:22:33] <generic_nick|2> yay, my mpg works
[00:24:11] <Tom_itx> makes life so much easier
[00:24:37] <generic_nick|2> the mpg?
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[00:25:24] <generic_nick|2> i already had one, but i am changing the pendant out for a new control pannel with a mpg built in. it is a weird one that had no schematics, so i had to kind of guess
[00:26:00] <generic_nick|2> http://www.plccenter.co.uk/en-GB/Buy/RAPIDSYN%20DIVISION/23E6003FB
[00:26:33] <generic_nick|2> it was part of an old bandit control i had
[00:27:58] <generic_nick|2> i was going to make the axis selection and resolution selection a pyvcp button
[00:28:02] <generic_nick|2> using the touch screen
[00:28:46] <eric_unterhause1> ssi: is the ftdi interface worth getting? I always seem to fall back on the serial port on the beagleboardxm when I am setting them up
[00:28:49] <generic_nick|2> may not be the most reliable way, but i make the same parts all day long, so it isnt that big of a deal. i wont be using it much
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[00:29:22] <Tom_itx> saves setup time
[00:32:08] <GammaX-Shop> wow my joystick is eratic as hell! lol
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[00:32:13] <generic_nick|2> im just suprised it worked right off the bat. i got lucky with my guess on the wires
[00:32:23] <generic_nick|2> i didnt even know what voltage it operated at
[00:33:05] <PCW> good to start low...
[00:33:15] <generic_nick|2> i just used 5v
[00:33:59] <GammaX-Shop> my joypad makes my machine move without even touching the controlls lol
[00:34:06] <GammaX-Shop> or when I let it it just keeps going...
[00:34:31] <generic_nick|2> lol
[00:34:36] <PCW> maybe its clairvoyant
[00:34:37] <generic_nick|2> i try to avoid that
[00:35:37] <GammaX-Shop> oh the joy of this fun guy
[00:36:01] <generic_nick|2> i actually connected the +5v to the wrong wire at first (red with a black stripe, went to nothing) and it still somewhat worked
[00:36:15] <generic_nick|2> im guessing the little motor generated it's own voltage
[00:36:46] <PCW> 100 PPR?
[00:37:14] <generic_nick|2> no clue, from what i read online, it's a small stepper motor
[00:37:30] <generic_nick|2> they just rigged it up to work as an mpg
[00:37:54] <generic_nick|2> im guessing it's around 100ppr
[00:38:05] <generic_nick|2> doesnt feel much different than my original pendant
[00:38:28] <eric_unterhause1> I want to know how the commercial pendants get that nice click
[00:38:46] <generic_nick|2> i dont know, a retent of some sort?
[00:39:02] <generic_nick|2> i have a fanuc one as well
[00:39:11] <PCW> Thats funny, I had no idea that had been done commercially
[00:39:13] <PCW> Using a small step motor as a MPG was discussed on the linuxcnc users list years ago
[00:39:19] <ssi> eric_unterhause1: yes, it's worth having
[00:39:24] <Tom_itx> mechanical detents
[00:39:28] <eric_unterhause1> ssi: thanks
[00:39:31] <generic_nick|2> PCW: it is from an old bandit control
[00:40:26] <generic_nick|2> from the early 80's
[00:40:35] <generic_nick|2> maybe mid 80's
[00:40:46] <Tom_itx> eric_unterhause1, you can find out for about sixty bucks
[00:41:05] <PCW> interesting A stepmotor is a 2 phase generator (quadrature)
[00:41:07] <PCW> so a few comparators and you have a MPG
[00:41:27] <generic_nick|2> PCW: it seems to work fine
[00:41:54] <generic_nick|2> there's a bunch of resistors and a few chips of some sort on a pcb
[00:42:08] <generic_nick|2> it isnt ttl
[00:42:20] <PCW> only real disadvantage is that if you go slow enough (probably really really slow) it will not count
[00:42:40] <generic_nick|2> i can go check, brb
[00:43:10] <Valen> use an xbox controller ;->
[00:43:36] <generic_nick|2> PCW: works fine
[00:43:49] <generic_nick|2> i cant go slow enough to make it not work
[00:44:03] <PCW> so good enough
[00:44:09] <generic_nick|2> yep
[00:44:22] <Tom_itx> http://www.automationtechnologiesinc.com/products-page/mpgs/rotary-maunal-pulse-generator
[00:44:32] <generic_nick|2> PCW: http://www.plccenter.co.uk/en-GB/Buy/RAPIDSYN%20DIVISION/23E6003FB
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[00:44:44] <Tom_itx> not much less from china direct
[00:45:17] <PCW> Yep they used a stepmotor for MPG
[00:45:18] <generic_nick|2> PCW: some other stuff i found online stated that it was a stepper motor
[00:45:48] <PCW> so if you need another just find a small step motor
[00:46:10] <generic_nick|2> PCW: if im not mistaken, it only has the detent feeling when it's powered on
[00:46:36] <PCW> it may have a little current to provide the detent
[00:46:42] <generic_nick|2> or at least i think it has more detent
[00:47:35] <generic_nick|2> that's what i was guessing
[00:47:45] <PCW> probably only takes a few 10s of mA to have a detectable effect
[00:47:45] <generic_nick|2> well cool
[00:47:54] <generic_nick|2> yea
[00:48:05] <generic_nick|2> it's definitely noticable
[00:48:52] <generic_nick|2> works 1 click at a time, no problem
[00:49:38] <generic_nick|2> cool, now i can take my fanuc pendant and put it on my lathe
[00:49:54] <r00t4rd3d> http://www.ebay.com/itm/6-AXIS-CNC-Pendant-with-100-MPG-JOG-encoder-/260839954317?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3cbb45d78d
[00:50:39] <r00t4rd3d> a reason to buy a mesa card!
[00:51:00] <PCW> Who needs a reason?
[00:51:16] <generic_nick|2> i bet you can find a real pentant for less than that
[00:51:23] <generic_nick|2> one not made in china i mean.
[00:51:33] <generic_nick|2> i got my fanuc one for $50
[00:52:01] <PCW> night all
[00:52:07] <generic_nick|2> goodnight
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[00:52:49] <generic_nick|2> ok im going back to the mill to finish wiring up my buttons
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[01:03:49] <r00t4rd3d> think im gonna go cut something
[01:04:47] <Valen> hmm 60Nm 1.5Kw motors..... tempting ;->
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[01:26:30] <skunkworks> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mach1mach2cnc/message/140183
[01:29:43] <Tom_itx> heh
[01:30:43] <skunkworks> none of the above? ;)
[01:30:56] <Tom_itx> maybe you should reply to him
[01:32:19] <skunkworks> No.. Or I would be replying to all the threads on there..... 'In linuxcnc you can....'
[01:32:38] <skunkworks> 'If you used linuxcnc....)
[01:33:24] <skunkworks> I think I would be banned quite quickly
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[01:34:05] <Tom_itx> i suppose
[01:34:21] <Tom_itx> might make him step up his game
[01:34:32] <Tom_itx> probably not
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[02:01:28] <eric_unterhause1> such as been the arc of all commercial low-cost cnc software so far
[02:07:17] <generic_nick|2> linuxcnc is too complicated to be a threat to Mach IMO
[02:08:27] <generic_nick|2> for normal people like me anyways
[02:09:03] <generic_nick|2> i use linux because i didnt think i could do what i needed to do with mach
[02:11:21] <Aero-Tec> does the index need to be timed with anything?
[02:11:23] <Tom_itx> you got the best support possible right here though
[02:12:14] <Aero-Tec> like does the index have to trigger at the same time as one of the other channels?
[02:12:16] <Tom_itx> i think of it as versatile not complicated
[02:12:40] <Aero-Tec> want to make sure I get this encoder right
[02:12:52] <Tom_itx> is it on the same wheel as the quadrature?
[02:13:28] <Aero-Tec> same wheel, not quadrature
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[02:13:44] <Aero-Tec> just simple channel A and index
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[02:14:34] <pcw_home> probably best that its the same (longer) slot so theres no count uncertainty
[02:17:21] <t12> any german speakers? I have a german datasheet that lists a pin as 'gebersignal'
[02:19:38] <skunkworks> t12 https://translate.google.com/?hl=en&tab=wT#auto/en/gebersignal
[02:19:40] <t12> or i could you google i guess heh
[02:19:45] <Tom_itx> encoder signal
[02:20:09] <t12> trying to wire a turbopump up
[02:20:23] <t12> apparently there are multiple undocumented varieties of this pump
[02:22:11] <t12> i think i'm going to be stuck with scoping off the controller and try to get it to start
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[02:34:46] <skunkworks> turbopump?
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[02:35:58] <jdh> like a vacuum turbo pump? alcatel?
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[02:46:56] <PetefromTn> Well fellas...
[02:46:57] <t12> yeah vacuum
[02:46:59] <t12> for a mass spec
[02:47:19] <PetefromTn> I managed to FINALLY run a part on the Cincinatti Arrow 500 retrofit tonight...
[02:47:22] <t12> leybold tw 220/170
[02:48:20] <jdh> plug the pump in to the controller, pump down the fore line, spin up the turbo
[02:48:42] <t12> the pinning on the controller and the pump arent compatable
[02:48:54] <t12> this is all oem on a mass spec
[02:49:01] <t12> the orig turbo failed, swapped it out with a turbo repair shop
[02:49:15] <generic_nick|2> congrats PetefromTn
[02:49:16] <t12> the new turbo while the same mechancial thing appears to be wired differently
[02:49:31] <jdh> did they give you a new controller with it?
[02:49:43] <t12> disturbingly the motor phases show no resistance
[02:49:45] <t12> dont know what to think of that
[02:49:54] <PetefromTn> Thanks man I am TRYING to upload a couple pictures and a video of the run to my photobucket account.
[02:49:57] <t12> i'll prolly scope it and manually spin the blades and see if i get signal
[02:50:04] <t12> neg no new controlle
[02:50:05] <t12> r
[02:50:12] <t12> i tried it with an alternative controller and still didnt work
[02:50:29] <jdh> they generally won't spin up at 1 ata
[02:50:38] <t12> i did it under roughing
[02:50:42] <t12> it doesnt id the pump
[02:50:46] <t12> it doesnt even start to try
[02:51:14] <t12> the controllers are alive though, tested on other equipment and the leybold service stuff can talk to it correctly via rs485
[02:51:37] <t12> i have the pinouts for the controller, leybold amazingly send me pdfs for that
[02:51:44] <t12> but there arent pinouts for the motor
[02:52:00] <t12> which i have pretty much worked out now, except theres a few leads that dont make sense
[02:52:17] <t12> i'm assuming one of them is a rpm counter
[02:52:24] <jdh> should be a tach or an 'at-rpm' signal
[02:52:40] <t12> the pinouts list an rx and tx
[02:52:52] <t12> however i'm pretty sure these old pumps id themselves to controller by a resistance across two pins
[02:53:03] <t12> which is present on the motor board
[02:53:17] <t12> so i'm assuming tx and rx may actually be those resistor leads
[02:53:32] <jdh> odd context for tx/rx
[02:53:34] <t12> i dont think theres any logic in the motor, I'm hesitant to take it apart further
[02:53:37] <t12> agree
[02:53:54] <jdh> we have alcatel pumps, alcatel controllers... plug them in and they work.
[02:54:29] <t12> that seems to be the case with most turbos
[02:54:43] <t12> also random controllers seem to support random pumps
[02:54:52] <t12> there just seem to be some tuning paramters per pump
[02:55:06] <t12> i think mainly about rampup speed, max rpm, etc
[02:55:32] <t12> i think this is just goofy cause they're custom pumps just for a series of mass specs
[02:55:36] <PetefromTn> Anyone making anything interesting?
[02:55:44] <t12> two stages, different flows/vacuum at each stage
[02:55:47] <t12> also its huge
[02:56:01] <t12> http://www.chem.ucla.edu/~craigim/pdfmanuals/manuals/ga051401.pdf
[02:56:04] <jdh> Pete: I drilled and tapped two holes for jig!
[02:57:25] <generic_nick|2> ok i should know this... but how do i make a button toggle something on and off in classicladder?
[02:57:31] <PetefromTn> jdh: Oh yeah..
[02:57:39] <generic_nick|2> the toggle function?
[02:57:49] <PetefromTn> Well Like I said I made my VERY FIRST PART TODAY!! However I screwed it up, my fault.
[02:58:32] <PetefromTn> It is actually still usable and should work fine for my uses but I was kinda dissapointed.
[02:59:01] <PetefromTn> It has been so damn long since I actually desinged a part, cammed it up, and put the tools to it that I forgot a few things LOL
[02:59:55] <jdh> I mis-cammed my part so I just did the jig via MDI.
[03:00:39] <PetefromTn> Yeah I made the part I am loading pictures to that I posted the screenshot of the Sheetcam job on my photobucket account the other day.
[03:01:03] <PetefromTn> I INTENDED to do a nice finish and Champfer pass but forgot that you gotta HOLD THE DAMN PART DOWN to do that.
[03:01:19] <jdh> that's what my jig is for
[03:01:49] <PetefromTn> I needed to put a roughing pass that was not thru the part and THEN run the champfer pass followed by installing the hold down screws I machined holes for.
[03:01:53] <jdh> t12: what are you mass-spec'ing?
[03:02:10] <PetefromTn> Then I could go ahead and make the finish pass to part off....
[03:02:19] <PetefromTn> What are you making?
[03:03:12] <t12> nothing in particular
[03:03:15] <t12> i got the machine scrap from work
[03:03:30] <jdh> a 360-degree pin wrench for taking apart scuba regulators
[03:03:31] <t12> uncle howard give it away
[03:03:46] <PetefromTn> like a pin spanner?
[03:03:50] <t12> so been slowly trying to get it working again
[03:03:59] <jdh> cool. We had a pair of ones, the vendor took them as trade in.
[03:04:08] <PetefromTn> t12: what kinda machine?
[03:04:09] <jdh> Pete: yeah, but the plain spanners don't hold well
[03:04:22] <PetefromTn> Cool got a pic?
[03:04:32] <t12> api 2000 triple quad
[03:04:56] <t12> theres alot of mass specs at work
[03:05:05] <t12> but getting anyone to let you fuck with them is very difficult
[03:05:07] <t12> until they give them away
[03:05:22] <t12> theres a whole maldi they're going to scrap soon but its too much of a pita do deal with and they want it out of the place
[03:05:34] <PetefromTn> jeez a spectrometer?
[03:05:41] <t12> so might just strip all the vacuum and laser and stage stuff off before they salvage it
[03:05:44] <jdh> pete: http://www.artichoke.org/apeksspanner.pdf
[03:05:48] <PetefromTn> thats like the ultimate toy...
[03:05:53] <t12> haha
[03:05:53] <t12> yeah
[03:06:01] <t12> now i just need an ftir and a small nmr
[03:06:07] <t12> and i got my forensics lab heh
[03:06:20] <PetefromTn> forensics huh...
[03:06:24] <jdh> mine only do helium
[03:06:35] <PetefromTn> jdh: that looks pretty straightforward man...nice
[03:06:52] <jdh> Pete: yeah, just hold-down problems.
[03:07:09] <PetefromTn> I'll post the link just as soon as the damn video loads to photobucket.
[03:07:22] <jdh> so I put holes in the handle for that. But, I had an offset in the CAM
[03:07:48] <PetefromTn> offset for what?
[03:08:23] <jdh> when I pulled the .dwg into the CAM, the origin wasn't set correctly
[03:08:35] <PetefromTn> Im starting to wonder if this video is ever gonna finish loading.
[03:08:42] <PetefromTn> Oh okay... that sucks.
[03:09:00] <PetefromTn> Didja make a subfixture for that?
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[03:09:52] <jdh> if you call a piece of .5x.5 aluminum with two holes a subfixture
[03:09:57] <PetefromTn> http://s150.photobucket.com/user/matospeter/library/Cincinatti%20Arrow%20500%20Retrofit?sort=3&page=1
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[03:10:15] <PetefromTn> here is the link so you can see the part while the video loads up...
[03:10:24] <PetefromTn> first three pictures.
[03:11:20] <PetefromTn> Oh hey the video just popped up!
[03:11:40] <jdh> what is it? tooling holder holder?
[03:11:51] <ssi> any G0704 folks that are on, tell me about your spindle motor setup
[03:12:14] <jdh> ssi: stock motor/controller + pwm speed control
[03:12:29] <PetefromTn> jdh: it is a fixture that holds the Cat40 tooling securely so you can wrench on them without having them pull out and slice your damn hand off with a cutter or wrench.
[03:12:49] <jdh> why the curves?
[03:12:59] <jdh> not that curves aren't cool
[03:13:17] <PetefromTn> It is a copy of this one... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KOdlYAVhX7o
[03:13:18] <Tecan> (KOdlYAVhX7o) "Pro Tooling Fixture.m2t" by "sgord521" is "Tech" - Length: 0:02:27
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[03:13:37] <PetefromTn> Why not? I mean it's CNC so we can make it however we want.
[03:14:17] <jdh> oh, it looks better mounted... just looked awkward in the vise
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[03:15:35] <PetefromTn_>
[03:15:39] <PetefromTn_> hello?
[03:15:41] <jdh> heh, it's surprisingly close to my wrench. The drawing doesn't show the slot/clamp-bolt
[03:16:01] <PetefromTn_> you are talking about my fixture?
[03:16:05] <jdh> yep
[03:16:15] <PetefromTn_> okay just got bumped off for a minute there...
[03:16:21] <PetefromTn_> yeah I suppose it does.
[03:16:32] <PetefromTn_> did you get that link I posted about the original
[03:16:39] <jdh> yeah
[03:16:53] <PetefromTn_> yeah I kinda reverse engineered it via youtube LOL
[03:17:25] <PetefromTn_> Really wanted it to have a nice finish and a champfered edge everywhere like the original but I screwed up and could not hold it down anymore.
[03:17:35] <ssi> jdh: it's working out for you?
[03:17:39] <ssi> I ripped all the electronics out :P
[03:17:50] <ssi> I have a 3ph 1hp motor for it, but I dunno how I'm gonna drive it just yet
[03:18:04] <jdh> yeah, it stalled the other day though. I wasn't pushing it that hard. Snapped a 1/4" HSS endmill
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[03:18:24] <PetefromTn_>
[03:18:38] <PetefromTn_> damn I keep getting bumped off line here..
[03:19:16] <generic_nick|2> yay, most of my buttons work. i just need to figure out how to get the run button working
[03:19:27] <PetefromTn_> Anyways, I needed some kinda fixture for the Cat tooling and I also needed a project to test the machine with so I came up with this one...LOL
[03:19:36] <PetefromTn_> generic_nick|2: nice work man.
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[03:19:40] <ssi> PetefromTn_: it's a good first project
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[03:19:58] <generic_nick|2> thanks. you too, part looks good
[03:20:06] <PetefromTn_> Yeah I think so. Simple yet USEFUL
[03:20:15] <PetefromTn_> Yeah I wish it did LOL...
[03:20:30] <PetefromTn_> It COULDA looked good If I had thought it thru better before I hit the big green button.
[03:20:35] <ssi> :)
[03:20:50] <PetefromTn_> It will work tho and I still have to machine the clamp bolt area.
[03:20:53] <ssi> hardest part of cnc is thinking through everytihng the first time around :)
[03:21:11] <PetefromTn_> I think I can actually machine off some of the bad chatter in that area when I do it to hide the screwup.
[03:21:21] <PetefromTn_> ssi: sure is man...
[03:21:23] <generic_nick|2> how did you configure your run button? did you have to link the button to put it in auto mode as well?
[03:21:31] <ssi> haha I read an amazing quote today
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[03:21:52] <ssi> "the 2 hardest things in software engineering are cache invalidation, naming things, and off-by-one errors"
[03:22:23] <generic_nick|2> lol
[03:22:26] <PetefromTn_> I am thinking about making one of these too... I need one and it should be another good test run.
[03:22:30] <PetefromTn_> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qXGJqMiF31w
[03:22:31] <Tecan> (qXGJqMiF31w) "Pro Touch Off Gage.m2t" by "sgord521" is "Tech" - Length: 0:02:09
[03:22:52] <ssi> PetefromTn_: make me one while you're at it :D
[03:23:02] <jdh> make an electoronic one
[03:23:03] <ssi> the beauty of cnc, right? :D
[03:23:18] <ssi> I have their pro-tram gizmo
[03:23:28] <jdh> me too, never used it
[03:23:28] <ssi> I intentionally was gonna make one, but it's an annoying part to make manually
[03:23:32] <ssi> so I finally broke down and bought it
[03:23:35] <ssi> I used it once :P
[03:24:22] <jdh> my current tram was done with a face mill and a block of aluminum
[03:24:44] <Valen> the best tram we did on our mill was done by eye with a rubber mallet
[03:24:53] <Valen> ssi: lol
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[03:27:37] <PetefromTn>
[03:27:49] <PetefromTn> Damn I keep getting kicked off.
[03:27:55] <ssi> stahp
[03:28:12] <PetefromTn> where were we?
[03:28:28] <ssi> you were just agreeing to make me a touchoff fixture when you do your production run :D
[03:28:59] <PetefromTn> LOL... Yeah man I would make you one if you want. Have not even drawn anything yet but I need to.
[03:29:20] <PetefromTn> Making an electronic one is actually a good idea as I was asking about a table mounted one the other day.
[03:29:25] <ssi> yea
[03:29:38] <ssi> I need to get my hardinge running so I can mass produce TTS holders
[03:29:45] <PetefromTn> I cannot decide what to do..
[03:30:00] <PetefromTn> LOL that would actually be a money maker if you could do it cheap enough..
[03:30:11] <Connor> Hey PetefromTn
[03:30:11] <ssi> well mine wouldn't be hardened/ground
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[03:30:21] <PetefromTn> I am supposed to be gettting my new vise tomorrow...
[03:30:29] <ssi> Connor: what kind of spindle motor setup do you have on your 704?
[03:30:31] <PetefromTn> Connor: hey man how ya been..
[03:30:41] <Connor> PetefromTn: Doing good.. sorry I missed your call..
[03:31:05] <PetefromTn> No worries man... I was just gonna whine to you about how much I don't know jack about linuxCNC
[03:31:13] <eric_unterhause1> someone sells a nmtb30 taper spindle for the larger mill drills, I want to know if it works in the 704
[03:31:19] <Connor> ssi Using a Treadmill motor with a kbcc-225R
[03:31:22] <PetefromTn> Checkout my photobucket page dude..
[03:31:24] <ssi> gotcha
[03:31:31] <ssi> belt drive?
[03:31:36] <Connor> 1:1
[03:31:37] <Connor> yea
[03:31:47] <ssi> got any pics of the belt setup?
[03:32:05] <Connor> not yet.. It's Hoss's plans.
[03:32:15] <ssi> I have his plans, but I need to find them
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[03:32:43] <PetefromTn> Did someone say they had the pro tram model?
[03:33:02] <Connor> PetefromTn: I have one that I made.. :)
[03:33:06] <ssi> found the email
[03:33:08] <ssi> PetefromTn: I do
[03:33:14] <PetefromTn> How ya like it?
[03:33:14] <ssi> I can dimension it for you if you want
[03:33:18] <ssi> it's fine
[03:33:21] <ssi> I've used it once
[03:33:21] <ssi> heh
[03:33:23] <PetefromTn> Please do LOL...
[03:33:41] <PetefromTn> That is the kinda tool that you actually do only use once in awhile.
[03:34:07] <ssi> yea
[03:34:09] <PetefromTn> Connor: How ya like yours?
[03:34:33] <Connor> It works.
[03:34:34] <PetefromTn> my machine ran pretty good today but I still have some things to sort out...
[03:34:40] <Tom_itx> PetefromTn, you gonna use a slitting saw for the clamp side of your cat40 holder?
[03:34:44] <ssi> apparently the plans I got from hoss don't include belt drive spindle plans :/
[03:34:49] <Connor> Mot as nice as Pro Trams.. but.. it does the job.
[03:35:07] <Connor> ssi: No, you have to order them seperate.
[03:35:12] <ssi> yea that's what I thought
[03:35:18] <ssi> i just want to see a picture of how it works
[03:35:27] <PetefromTn> Tom_itx: actually no if you look at the pictures it is already slotted with an 1/8 inch martiool 3 flute endmill.
[03:35:40] <Tom_itx> didn't look at them all
[03:35:57] <PetefromTn> Honestly did not look to see if you can see it LOL
[03:36:24] <Connor> http://www.g0704.com/Projects.html#1100
[03:36:29] <Connor> see if you can tell from that.
[03:36:33] <PetefromTn> yeah I think you can see it in the first picture.
[03:37:28] <ssi> I have a 3ph 1hp motor
[03:37:44] <ssi> Connor: did you make the pulleys?
[03:37:44] <PetefromTn> DUnno why the videos I take from my Cell phone have that vertical letterbox look...
[03:37:54] <ssi> PetefromTn: turn your phone sideways?
[03:38:04] <Connor> PetefromTn: Turn your phone sideways
[03:38:07] <PetefromTn> LOL it doesn't matter..
[03:38:17] <PetefromTn> It still makes the lines like that.
[03:38:24] <Tom_itx> yeah we started running a radius cutter or a 45 deg cutter on some jobs to shorten debur time
[03:38:24] <PetefromTn> At least I think it does.
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[03:38:50] <jdh> how do you CAM the radius/chamfer ?
[03:39:02] <Tom_itx> consistently :)
[03:39:12] <Tom_itx> i used the small diameter on the radius cutter
[03:39:40] <Tom_itx> then measure up from the base of the tool to the top of the diameter
[03:39:44] <Connor> I'm getting really bad finish on my mill..
[03:39:55] <jdh> and just said it was <whatever diameter> ?
[03:39:59] <Tom_itx> that will get you the cutter depth
[03:40:02] <Tom_itx> yeah
[03:40:06] <Connor> not sure what the deal is.. could be vibration from the pulleys
[03:40:12] <Tom_itx> it wouldn't look right on the preview but we knew that
[03:40:31] <Tom_itx> the 45 you kinda guess on unless you wanna to the math
[03:41:01] <PetefromTn> I usually just draw a quick cad drawing of the cutter profile to determine what I need...
[03:41:07] <Connor> PetefromTn: Looks like your part came out pretty good
[03:41:08] <Tom_itx> you don't wanna cut right near the tip of it..
[03:41:25] <PetefromTn> Connor: is it the pulleys you are redoing?
[03:41:33] <Connor> Yea.
[03:41:34] <PetefromTn> Connor: Thanks man... I screwed it up tho..
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[03:41:48] <ssi> Connor: wanna make me a set while you're at it? :D
[03:42:06] <Connor> Probably not as bad as my PDB parts and my motor mount.
[03:42:18] <PetefromTn> I did not have sufficient hold down on it and then when I went to machine the champfer and the finish pass I had to put the screws in there so I had to stop the program.
[03:42:37] <PetefromTn> ssi: He is using some timing pulleys that are machined to fit.
[03:42:40] <ssi> aha
[03:42:45] <ssi> Connor: what pulleys are you starting with?
[03:43:49] <PetefromTn> I also made the hole .002 over the size of the average of the four or five holders I have here and I should have made it a little larger.
[03:44:11] <PetefromTn> You kinda have to push it down in there just a tiny bit when it should just drop in and clamp down.
[03:44:18] <Connor> QPMLA75021F12 and QPELA75021F16 from QUALITY TRANSMISSION COMPONENTS
[03:44:37] <PetefromTn> I may try to tweak it a tad when I bolt it down to the table so that it is sprun a tiny bit and then use the clamp to lock it down.
[03:44:49] <Tom_itx> jdh, i also did one with a 7 deg cutter and basically used the tip of the tool as the programmed diameter
[03:45:01] <Tom_itx> was a relief for a casting
[03:46:02] <Connor> PetefromTn: Mount it to the table? Is it for setting up the end mills in the holders ?
[03:46:18] <ssi> prices are reasonable
[03:46:27] <Connor> and you need a belt.
[03:46:32] <ssi> that's easy enough
[03:46:39] <PetefromTn> yeah man it is for clamping the toolholders so they cannot slip while you monkey on them with the wrench.
[03:47:04] <PetefromTn> Check out the video of the pro-tools cat40 fixture I posted earlier to see how it works.
[03:47:21] <ssi> I need to measure the shaft on the motor and the spindle
[03:47:23] <Connor> A 6R 4-041075
[03:47:23] <Connor> or A 6R 4-042075 from SDP-SI.. QTC probably has them too..
[03:47:27] <PetefromTn> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KOdlYAVhX7o&NR=1&feature=endscreen
[03:47:31] <ssi> and see if I can divine the speed of the motor
[03:47:57] <Connor> Oh. You copied program
[03:48:02] <Connor> er pro gtram
[03:48:08] <Connor> DAMN IT.. PRO TRAM!!
[03:48:14] <ssi> Connor: how fast do you run your spindle?
[03:48:20] <Connor> 6500RPM
[03:48:23] <ssi> wow
[03:48:35] <Tom_itx> does it get hot?
[03:48:36] <PetefromTn> yeah I kinda reverse engineered it from that video.
[03:48:48] <Connor> Not that bad when I was running the break-in
[03:48:49] <ssi> PetefromTn: what do you cad in?
[03:49:00] <ssi> PetefromTn: I'll draw up that protram in solidworks likely
[03:49:03] <PetefromTn> I drew it in Draftsight....
[03:49:16] <PetefromTn> just 2.5D
[03:49:26] <PetefromTn> I am too poor yet to afford real 3d cad cam
[03:49:32] <Tom_itx> you should carve your logo on it
[03:50:24] <PetefromTn> I gotta say that I lost power during the run and was really pleased that the Cincinatti control not only was able to get right back exactly to the same spot but the fixture offset was still in there and the homing is VERY precise...
[03:50:46] <PetefromTn> Tom_itx: LOL man I thought about it but I sold all my engraving bits with the RF45...
[03:51:00] <Tom_itx> i need to get a couple
[03:51:05] <Connor> PC loose power too ?
[03:51:12] <Tom_itx> i was gonna make some from some half round drills
[03:51:13] <PetefromTn> Everything...
[03:51:32] <PetefromTn> Tom_itx: I have heard you can make simple D bits that way, never tried it tho..
[03:51:34] <Connor> I want to put a UPS on my PC
[03:52:08] <Tom_itx> i'll have to see if i can find some short ones
[03:52:14] <Tom_itx> usually half round are fairly long
[03:52:29] <PetefromTn> Well the machine just shutoff and the spindle coasted to a stop and the Z axis brake took care of the millhead. At first I was pretty upset thinking I screwed my part upbut then I was like hey it did not destroy it LOL
[03:52:47] <PetefromTn> Tom_itx: make me sum...LOL
[03:53:28] <Tom_itx> my grinder isn't that good to be really precise
[03:53:29] <PetefromTn> It sure is nice to know that IF I lose power somehow I am probably gonna be okay and just have to restart and rehome and get back to it.
[03:53:34] <Connor> When I was milling out my lift plate for the PDB.. I had a issue.. I had some chip welding.. and my table stalled..
[03:53:58] <PetefromTn> Connor: that sucks... I hate that.
[03:54:14] <PetefromTn> Gotta say that the Coolant flow from the Cincinatti kicks butt!
[03:54:32] <PetefromTn> When the program stops there are NO chips on the part anywhere LOL..
[03:54:40] <Connor> I hit the ESTOP.. and re-homed everything.. and then started back up.. managed to save the part.. I need to get my home switches on this thing.. Only have the X done.. and I need adjust it...
[03:55:01] <PetefromTn> Homes can save your bacon.
[03:55:24] <Connor> I'm going to have to make some sort of shields or something so I can use coolant..
[03:55:33] <PetefromTn> My spindle is still loud tho... Not sure what the hell is wrong with it.
[03:55:39] <generic_nick|2> http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7291/8740561766_d6427de639_c.jpg
[03:55:45] <Connor> What do you mean ?
[03:55:47] <PetefromTn> Connor: I thought you were gonna make a full enclosure.
[03:55:50] <generic_nick|2> got the control pannel all working
[03:56:05] <generic_nick|2> just gotta calibrate the touch screen
[03:56:09] <Connor> I want to.. but.. I figure I can make some shields pretty easy till I can make the enclosure.
[03:56:24] <Tom_itx> generic_nick|2, nice
[03:56:25] <PetefromTn> generic_nick|2: Hey man that looks pretty sweet.
[03:56:34] <generic_nick|2> thanks
[03:56:38] <PetefromTn> Connor: did you watch my video?
[03:56:46] <Connor> Yea. Looking at it again.
[03:56:48] <generic_nick|2> the arm is a little ghetto, but i didnt have a ton of time
[03:56:58] <PetefromTn> Whadya setup the buttons with on it?
[03:57:29] <generic_nick|2> e-stop, coolant, run, pause, resume
[03:57:32] <Tom_itx> i could add a couple more to my pendant
[03:57:37] <generic_nick|2> the only ones i ever use
[03:58:00] <PetefromTn> I was kinda surprised that you cannot turn off the spindle or coolant when paused..
[03:58:19] <generic_nick|2> PetefromTn: i can turn the coolant on and off whenever i want
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[03:58:39] <generic_nick|2> i did my coolant config in classicladder
[03:58:45] <Tom_itx> a button to set the current tool z offset would be handy at the pendant
[03:59:32] <generic_nick|2> i can override the program too. so if i forget to program an m8, i can still hit the coolant button and turn it on. or off. and the program still turns the coolant off when the program ends so i dontt have to
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[03:59:54] <Connor> PetefromTn Your WiFi having issues ?
[03:59:56] <PetefromTn_> he
[04:00:08] <Valen> crap how did it become 2:00?
[04:00:17] <PetefromTn_> Dunno I just keep getting bumped off. The internet does not seem to lose it tho...
[04:00:21] <Tom_itx> heh
[04:00:38] <Connor> Might be the IRC node your on.
[04:00:45] <PetefromTn_> Can I fix that?
[04:00:51] <Connor> It's random.
[04:01:10] <PetefromTn_> Well I keep having to close Quassel and reopen.
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[04:02:24] <PetefromTn_> I was just looking at those pics I posted. I am not happy with the finish on them. That was a rough pass and as I said there was a lot of vibration. The finish inside the holes that were made
[04:02:36] <PetefromTn_> before the part cutoff is mUCH nicer
[04:02:54] <PetefromTn_> are you guys hearing me LOL?
[04:02:59] <Connor> You leave tabs or something ?
[04:03:32] <Tom_itx> program holddown tabs and on the last pass cut them down to .005" and peel the part off
[04:03:52] <PetefromTn_> No I SHOULD have left tabs but I was thinking I could just mill the part inside and then screw it down. However I forget the champfer part and could not champfer because I had to put the screws into the champfered holes
[04:04:15] <PetefromTn_> Tom_itx: Yeah that Is the way I normally do things but I screwed this one up LL
[04:04:36] <PetefromTn_> Like I said it may not look that great but it will certainly work for me.
[04:05:12] <PetefromTn_> I may actually try it again and make another one because I can make it to mount to a block on my surface plate and do some offline measurement of my tooling.
[04:05:48] <PetefromTn_> I also like to make a nice vise stop soon for the new vise.
[04:06:05] <Connor> I made one.
[04:06:10] <Connor> using 80/20
[04:06:19] <Connor> Oh. Can you tram that beast ?
[04:06:37] <PetefromTn_> you talking to me?
[04:06:42] <Connor> Yea.
[04:06:56] <PetefromTn_> Honestly I dunno, Gotta read the manual I guess LOL
[04:07:16] <PetefromTn_> I would imagine there must be a way somehow but never seen it done
[04:07:33] <PetefromTn_> you made a vise stop using 8020?
[04:07:39] <Connor> Yup.
[04:08:19] <PetefromTn_> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kvpjLv_R0zU
[04:08:20] <Tecan> (kvpjLv_R0zU) "Pro Stop vise stop / work stop for CNC milling machine" by "EdgeTechnology1" is "Tech" - Length: 0:01:15
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[04:08:55] <Connor> Let me see if I can find a picture of it.
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[04:10:17] <PetefromTn_> Funny how you see the part I made at the beginning of that video and you can see how they machined it using a vise fixture.
[04:10:30] <PetefromTn_> I should have made it that way myself...sigh
[04:10:37] <Connor> http://www.cnczone.com/forums/attachments/benchtop_machines/149253d1325469195-connors_g0704-vice-endstop1.jpg
[04:10:45] <Connor> http://www.cnczone.com/forums/attachments/benchtop_machines/149254d1325469195-connors_g0704-vice-endstop2.jpg
[04:10:53] <Connor> http://www.cnczone.com/forums/attachments/benchtop_machines/149255d1325469195-connors_g0704-vice-endstop3.jpg
[04:10:55] <ssi> Connor: so did you bore out one of those qtc pulleys to the almost 1" of the spindle body?
[04:11:36] <Connor> ssi Yea.. Specific profile.. it fits over the top.. and uses 4 set screws into splines
[04:11:41] <Connor> kinda a pain in the ass.
[04:11:53] <ssi> hm
[04:12:02] <ssi> you cut the spline profile on the cnc mill?
[04:12:08] <Connor> No.
[04:12:33] <Connor> Just bore it out.. and the 4 set screws interface with it.
[04:12:36] <ssi> I see
[04:12:48] <ssi> there's like a steel cylinder on the spindle; I guess covering the splines
[04:12:57] <ssi> and I guess you lose the ability to run the quill at all with the belt conversion, huh
[04:13:03] <Connor> the key is getting the bottom part (where the RPM disk is) cut correctly in the pulley
[04:13:07] <PetefromTn_> Those pics arent loading for some reason..probably the zone.
[04:13:30] <Connor> ssi he has one version that you don't.. you make a extension..
[04:13:33] <Connor> I didn't bother..
[04:13:36] <ssi> I see
[04:13:55] <Connor> PetefromTn_: Hmm.. They should.. load fine for me.. I can re-post them someplace else.
[04:13:56] <ssi> maybe I oughta just buy his other plans
[04:14:07] <ssi> I hate to though... I didn't use any of the plans I bought for the main conversion
[04:14:20] <ssi> here's my X reduction btw, got it done earlier
[04:14:21] <ssi> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BKR1ZaVCcAAQ_7t.jpg:large
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[04:15:02] <Connor> oh geez.. you have to be logged into the zone.
[04:15:26] <PetefromTn_> Funny I have had NOTHING but trouble from the CNCzone website. After I started having a bunch of trouble I was kinda bitching about it on the forum and I am starting to wonder if he is blocking my account or somehting
[04:15:35] <ssi> I mostly don't like cnczone :P
[04:16:08] <PetefromTn_> Honestly I am feeling the same way. At least the last year or so.
[04:16:39] <PetefromTn_> Damn tons of flicking ads and stupid banners everywhere to make a buck but makes viewing it on your phone or something a real PIA
[04:17:15] <PetefromTn_> Its really beautiful out tonight over here.
[04:17:31] <PetefromTn_> Got the windows open and there is a really nice cool breeze blowing thru.
[04:17:55] <Connor> http://www.ivdc.com/cnc/vice-endstop1.jpg
[04:17:57] <Connor> http://www.ivdc.com/cnc/vice-endstop2.jpg
[04:17:58] <PetefromTn_> Okay just tried about ten times to login and view your pics man. no dice..
[04:18:00] <Connor> http://www.ivdc.com/cnc/vice-endstop3.jpg
[04:18:35] <Connor> click the stupid remember me check box..
[04:18:47] <Connor> but.. I posted them on my server so you don't have to worry about it.
[04:18:48] <PetefromTn_> oh nice man, how rigid is it?
[04:19:08] <PetefromTn_> I ALWAYS click that box. it is not even loading up the pages..
[04:19:08] <Connor> Not too bad. I've not used it in a while..
[04:19:35] <ssi> Connor: this is what the top of my spindle looks like: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BKR3KQICUAAfx5p.jpg:large
[04:19:45] <ssi> different than what hoss's looks like... I dunno if that's just a cover or what
[04:19:55] <Connor> It's the same.
[04:20:05] <Connor> You have to tear it down.
[04:20:24] <ssi> do I need to take the whole spindle out of the head?
[04:20:42] <Rob__> anyone wanna buy some 1" endmills carbide?
[04:20:44] <PetefromTn_> I'll machine you a new millhead on the Cincinatti LOL might be easier.
[04:20:48] <Rob__> or trade? lol
[04:20:48] <ssi> haha
[04:20:49] <Connor> Just about.. If you plan to run faster than 3000rpm you need to upgrade the bearings.
[04:21:30] <Connor> that C clips looks different.. I don't recall if mine had that or not.
[04:22:02] <Rob__> ssi, what kinda mill 704?
[04:22:06] <ssi> ya
[04:22:33] <Rob__> if you do the bearing upgrade lemme know I got some washers you can have.
[04:22:35] <Connor> take the top hat off.. pull the drawbar out..
[04:22:48] <Rob__> save u a few bucks
[04:22:55] <ssi> Rob__: cool...
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[04:22:56] <Connor> remove the C clip holding the sping cup in place..
[04:23:16] <Connor> I used shims from Carr-McMaster
[04:23:25] <Connor> and a washer PetefromTn found..
[04:23:54] <ssi> Connor: I haven't been able to figure out how to get the drawbar out
[04:23:57] <PetefromTn> LOL... I thought I lost my Internet LOL..
[04:24:06] <Rob__> Connor, yeah i got these from mcmaster car before I decided not to get the 704 but a pm45
[04:24:16] <Connor> PetefromTn Yea.. got your text.
[04:24:22] <PetefromTn> Sorry..
[04:24:33] <Connor> ? No biggie. :)
[04:25:07] <PetefromTn> My wife has had the flu or something for two days now. I have a sore throat now and I hope I am not next..
[04:25:07] <Connor> ssi You remove the top hat.. the thingie that has flats on each side.
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[04:25:14] <ssi> how does it come off?
[04:25:19] <Connor> screws off.
[04:25:21] <ssi> hold the spindle and it unthread?
[04:25:23] <ssi> ok lemme try that
[04:25:23] <PetefromTn> ..
[04:25:29] <Connor> Yup.
[04:25:38] <Connor> PetefromTn: I hope your not either.
[04:26:00] <Connor> ssi I removed all the internal gearing too..
[04:26:07] <PetefromTn> Oh well, at least I work here so if I do get sick I can just still monkey with the cincinatti.
[04:26:11] <Connor> and the Hi/Lo selector
[04:26:36] <PetefromTn> Gotta draw up the Pro-tools touch off gauge so I can machine one for me and one for SSI LOL
[04:26:39] <Connor> PetefromTn: Yea.. but, I aint coming over anytime soon until everyone is over it.. :)
[04:26:52] <PetefromTn> Connor: Don't blame ya man...
[04:26:57] <Rob__> PetefromTn, ... Ill gladdly trade u for one!
[04:27:30] <PetefromTn> Honestly I might be interested in trading for some things I need for the shop.
[04:27:34] <Connor> that's going to take a big chunk of alumn for those things.
[04:27:40] <PetefromTn> Yeah I got some...
[04:27:59] <PetefromTn> honestly it looks like it is about 1" deep tho from the video..no?
[04:28:02] <Connor> I would like one too.. but. I kinda want it to be a probe.. not just a gauge.
[04:28:18] <PetefromTn> Well okay mr. picky...
[04:28:26] <Connor> :)
[04:28:50] <ssi> Connor: how does the C clip come out?
[04:28:58] <ssi> not the big one on the bearing, but the little one over the spring cup
[04:29:04] <Connor> ssi Big ass straight screwdriver..
[04:29:13] <ssi> I can't slide it off cause of the black cylinder around it
[04:29:38] <Connor> use the screwdriver to pry the cup DOWN while prying the clip out.
[04:29:44] <ssi> aha
[04:29:54] <PetefromTn> Take a look at that video and tell me how thick you think that anodized part really is?
[04:29:56] <Connor> be careful.. it's spring loaded.. :)
[04:30:30] <Connor> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qXGJqMiF31w
[04:30:33] <Connor> at 1:45
[04:30:43] <PetefromTn> if you look at the 1;34 you can see it from the top.
[04:30:53] <Connor> 1.5" ?
[04:31:20] <PetefromTn> could be..
[04:31:37] <PetefromTn> How big is the dial on a Starret last word?
[04:32:05] <Connor> No clue.. never had one.
[04:32:21] <PetefromTn> I was asking in general.
[04:32:39] <Connor> I say 1.5" and the center is probably something like 1.25"
[04:33:30] <Connor> would be easy to find out.. take a standard dial indicator.. and messure from the face to the center of the steam..
[04:33:31] <PetefromTn> apparently the dial is 1" so that center piece is probably 1.125 or so and maybe the rest is 1.5 or less.
[04:35:06] <PetefromTn> I like how the thing is setup for 4" tall zero. Altho I was kinda thinking that the slot in the bottom was too short for the needle to travel any real distance.
[04:35:40] <PetefromTn> Connor: We should design and build a QUALITY table mounted tool sensor.
[04:36:09] <Connor> Yea.. shouldn't be that hard..
[04:36:44] <PetefromTn> Really right.
[04:37:06] <PetefromTn> I was chatting with Art about it the other day and we brainstormed a bit.
[04:37:06] <ssi> Connor: does the spring and cup need to go back in if you're not using the quill?
[04:37:15] <Connor> ssi No.
[04:37:30] <ssi> do you put the hat back on to hold the drawbar in?
[04:37:32] <Connor> you just lock the quill down using the lock on the left hand side.. I replaced it with a bolt.
[04:37:43] <Connor> No. That gets replaced as well.
[04:37:51] <ssi> hm ok
[04:37:52] <Connor> You make a new one.
[04:38:04] <ssi> so the pulley needs to be bored to the outside dimension of the quill splines
[04:38:05] <Connor> You'll need it till your to that point though..
[04:38:10] <ssi> and then setscrewed to the splines
[04:38:24] <Connor> and to mate with the bottom where the RPM disk went too.
[04:38:27] <PetefromTn> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7YSgvwMjMrk
[04:38:33] <Tecan> (7YSgvwMjMrk) "Tool length touch off sensor" by "kubroid" is "People" - Length: 0:00:09
[04:38:35] <PetefromTn> Something like this....only nicer
[04:38:38] <ssi> hm I dunno if I follow that part
[04:38:57] <Connor> Look at your RPM disk.
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[04:39:29] <Connor> you see how it fits over that larger round part ? and has 2 screws that hold it in?
[04:39:44] <ssi> ya
[04:40:03] <Connor> your pulley needs to have a similar profile on the bottom to mate with that part.. and then the set screws mate into the spline of the quill.
[04:40:48] <ssi> I think I understand
[04:41:08] <Connor> another words.. you don't just want to use the quill to support the pulley..
[04:41:12] <Connor> it's not strong enough.
[04:41:17] <ssi> ah right ok
[04:41:45] <PetefromTn> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yap36OW_RT4
[04:41:47] <Tecan> (Yap36OW_RT4) "Renishaw-TS27R.mp4" by "Toleshf1" is "Tech" - Length: 0:00:56
[04:42:09] <PetefromTn> These are awesome but I am not sure how or if you could use the diameter sensing with linuxCNC..
[04:44:14] <ssi> so how are people who don't have lathes doing it?
[04:44:44] <PetefromTn> They are taking it to their buddy who HAS a lathe LOL..
[04:44:51] <Connor> Some people are turning the head 90 degrees and using a 4" chuck.
[04:45:11] <Connor> I used a mini lathe and fracked it up and bought two more pulleys to take over to Pete's house. :)
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[04:45:40] <ssi> aha :D
[04:46:16] <Connor> but using the mill is a PITA.
[04:46:24] <PetefromTn> You should tell him to order the same pulleys and bring them all over and do them here together.
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[04:46:35] <Connor> You have to have it in running condition.. and then.. you have to tear it down to check it.. and then.. if your not right.. your fracked.
[04:46:56] <PetefromTn> fracked LOL.
[04:47:15] <Connor> ssi what size shaft do you have on your motor ?
[04:47:34] <PetefromTn> I guess I will see tomorrow how bad the shars CNC vises are LOL...
[04:48:27] <Connor> PetefromTn: I need to make a adapter plate for my little 4" rotary table that'll work with my 4" chuck.. (IF I can ever get the R8 arbor off of it)
[04:48:45] <ssi> it's about .550
[04:48:45] <ssi> some metric size I'm sure haha
[04:48:45] <ssi> PetefromTn: if you're gonna be setting up to do them, I'll order them to your place
[04:48:52] <Connor> We'll need it in order to index the stupid holes for the set screws.
[04:48:59] <ssi> Connor: looks like 14mm?
[04:49:38] <Connor> You need to be exact. Yours is going to be different than mine.. since I'm using a different motor.
[04:49:41] <PetefromTn> ssi: Well I dunno anything about it other than what Connor tells me he needs but I can certainly do two if I can do one.
[04:49:58] <ssi> k gimme a second
[04:51:14] <PetefromTn> Connor: remeber when we talked about a speaker for the control, I am wondering if I can setup a little speaker that beeps when I do certain things in the control. It is actually a safety thing really.
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[04:53:15] <ssi> 14.011mm :I
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[04:54:09] <PetefromTn> Check out this bad boy...
[04:54:12] <PetefromTn> http://knoxville.craigslist.org/mcd/3797939004.html
[04:54:40] <ssi> and the spline is 21.65 OD
[04:56:18] <PetefromTn> Really need to get me a pair of these babies... Too bad I'm broke LOL
[04:56:23] <PetefromTn> http://www.ebay.com/itm/360641859342?var=630113014758&ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1497.l2649
[04:58:47] <PetefromTn> Thinking they would be perfect to light this enclosure.
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[05:03:32] <ssi> booo
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[05:04:16] <PetefromTn> what the hell happened?
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[05:05:07] <Valen> netsplit
[05:05:11] <Connor> Dang machine locked up..
[05:05:15] <Connor> I miss anything ?
[05:05:21] <PetefromTn> Dunno if anyone can hear me but I am going ta bed. Gnight...
[05:05:29] <Connor> PetefromTn: I hear you
[05:05:37] <PetefromTn> Oh yeah...
[05:05:52] <PetefromTn> I was postiing and nobody was answering for quite awhile there.
[05:06:10] <Connor> net split + my machine locked up.
[05:06:12] <PetefromTn> I figured it was me getting dropped off again but dunno.
[05:06:14] <Connor> what did you say.
[05:06:25] <PetefromTn> What the hell is netsplit
[05:06:44] <Connor> IRC is made up of lots and lots of servers.. and they all talk with each other.. we might be on different ones.
[05:06:55] <Connor> and sometimes.. the servers loose the ability to communicate with each other..
[05:07:04] <Connor> and so, the room ends ups being seperated..
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[05:07:28] <PetefromTn> oh that would splain why when I got back on there were only like ten people in te room.
[05:07:36] <Connor> Yup.
[05:08:17] <Connor> Last thing I saw was your link to a video.. that I didn't get to click on before my machine crashed.
[05:08:43] <PetefromTn> Well I am enjoying chatting with you fellas but I am gonna get to bed. Talk to you tomorrow. Lemme know when you fellas want to do that lathe work. Oh and if you can think of something I can make on the mill for profit I am all ears LOL...
[05:09:00] <PetefromTn> Okay.
[05:09:44] <PetefromTn> have a good night guys...peace
[05:09:50] <ssi> night pete
[05:09:53] <ssi> workin on your protram drawing
[05:10:04] <PetefromTn> LOL sweet.
[05:10:11] <Connor> ssi if you said how big your shaft was.. I didn't see it.
[05:10:18] <PetefromTn> Itll be another fun project sometime.
[05:10:21] <ssi> 14.011mm
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[05:10:29] <ssi> I figure we can call that 14mm
[05:11:16] <Connor> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yap36OW_RT4
[05:11:36] <Connor> I seeing this correctly.. They're running the spindle while probing ??
[05:11:37] <Connor> WTF ?
[05:11:57] <ssi> weird
[05:12:04] <ssi> hey should I ship pulleys to you or pete?
[05:12:29] <Connor> doesn't mater.. we're with 20 miles of each other.
[05:12:33] <ssi> ok
[05:12:39] <ssi> pm me one address or the other and I'll order those tonight
[05:12:45] <ssi> I'm going out of town thursday morning
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[05:14:36] <ssi> I should order the same ones you're using?
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[05:14:41] <ssi> or try to get a 14mm bore pulley for spindle
[05:15:16] <ssi> I mostly only see 12mm bore pulleys
[05:15:20] <Connor> I can't recall which one is which.. one already has 2 holes for set screws.
[05:15:26] <Connor> the other doesn't..
[05:15:29] <ssi> aha
[05:15:33] <Connor> I used the one with 2 set screws for the motor.
[05:15:51] <Connor> just order the two I did.. that way we can match them up correctly.
[05:16:03] <ssi> ok
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[05:18:20] <Loetmichel> mornin'
[05:18:27] <tjtr33> has anyone formatted an SD card for the CubieBoard? ( the instructions say format as FAT but I got 32G SD and wonder if VFAT is appropo )
[05:19:17] <ssi> Connor: are you guys planning on working on this this weekend?
[05:19:23] <ssi> (trying to figure out how fast to ship them)
[05:19:43] <Connor> Probably not.
[05:19:51] <Connor> He said his wife and kids were sick..
[05:19:59] <Connor> Gonna stay away for a few days. :)
[05:20:00] <ssi> ok ground it is
[05:20:18] <Connor> ground, it'll be here in 2 days.. so.. MAYBE friday.. if not.. monday.
[05:20:34] <Connor> They're up in NY.
[05:20:37] <ssi> ok ordered
[05:26:19] <Connor> cool. I'll keep a look out for it.
[05:31:44] <tjtr33> fwiw: mkfs.msdos figures the best fat12/16/32 & vfat (Long FIle Names) for you based on an inspection of the device
[05:33:27] <Rob__> just started on my next project!
[05:33:33] <Rob__> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z2oSFpKh_Uw
[05:33:34] <Tecan> (z2oSFpKh_Uw) "Converting Computer ATX Power Supply to Lab Bench Power Supply" by "JumperOneTV" is "Tech" - Length: 0:14:58
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[05:43:04] <GammaX-laptop> ssi, what u doin? converting it?
[05:43:14] <ssi> what, the mill?
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[06:08:04] <ssi> I got the protram drawn up in solidworks
[06:08:11] <ssi> I wonder if I could 3d print one, lol
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[06:48:28] <Andy1978> Is there a cli program which generates g-code from text in engraving fonts?
[06:48:30] <Andy1978> I saw a special font hershey for this (no ttf)
[06:48:59] <Andy1978> The font consist of line paths, not closed contours
[06:50:56] <archivist> this maybe http://www.timeguy.com/cradek/truetype
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[06:51:38] <archivist> and see http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?Simple_LinuxCNC_G-Code_Generators#Text_Engraving_Software
[06:53:12] <archivist> ttt should be hackable
[06:57:00] <Andy1978> Archivist: interesting, thank you for both links
[06:57:59] <Andy1978> I think ttt generates a envelope from a true type font
[06:58:08] <Andy1978> Or hull?
[06:59:01] <Andy1978> This was the reason I searched for hershey fonts
[06:59:10] <Andy1978> Which are specially generated for engraving
[06:59:32] <Andy1978> I think I have to write it myself.
[07:01:58] <Andy1978> Your second link to encraving software was nice. The python script there uses the qcad fonts
[07:02:02] <Andy1978> Ugly but simple
[07:03:32] <archivist> I think ttt is worth modifying add a switch for line fonts
[07:04:36] <archivist> there is also a need for vcarving to an outline which is a mod I started some time ago (not finished)
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[07:07:02] <DJ9DJ> moin
[07:07:30] <Andy1978> What programming language does ttt use?
[07:07:37] <Andy1978> Archivist
[07:07:49] <archivist> C
[07:08:04] <DJ9DJ> truetypetracer? :D
[07:08:54] <Andy1978> Yes
[07:09:09] <DJ9DJ> nice tool
[07:09:45] <Andy1978> Ah okay. I want to run it on an avr32 later so I have to have a closer look at the used dependencies
[07:09:59] <DJ9DJ> hrhr
[07:10:24] <archivist> hmm while back seems it was 2008 when I last played with it :)
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[07:12:15] <Andy1978> Is it possible to use the linuxcnc axis program to output the gcode to a serial port and visualize the steps according to feedback?
[07:13:09] <Andy1978> Until now I saw the most projects use the parport but there is also alternative hardwarw
[07:15:46] <archivist> linuscnc does not support serial as its not realtime enough for cnc hardware control
[07:19:24] <Andy1978> No...
[07:19:35] <Andy1978> Output the gcode via serial port
[07:19:48] <Andy1978> And the connected cnc does the realtime timing
[07:20:20] <Andy1978> Do you understand me?
[07:20:22] <archivist> that is not how linuxcnc works
[07:21:20] <Andy1978> So there is no device which uses this approach yet?
[07:22:21] <Andy1978> No device which can be used with linuxcnc, to be clear
[07:23:25] <archivist> it divides in a different place currently at the nml message not gcode
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[07:27:25] <archivist> or you put it all on the device and control via vnc
[07:27:45] <archivist> view rather than control
[07:31:51] <Andy1978> Hm, my idea was to use the nice GUI for visualisation and initialization like finding the home position
[07:32:54] <Andy1978> Archivist thank you very much for your helpd and ideas. I have ti digg into the code to decide which way is feasible
[07:35:06] <archivist> just use as is, no need to reinvent the wheel :)
[07:35:45] <Andy1978> Hm?
[07:35:56] <Andy1978> I cant use it as it is
[07:36:02] <archivist> we get about one a month wanting to do something similar...but it all works already and you need to do so much to get anywhere
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[07:44:09] <AndChat|159600> The goal is to run the typesetting and engraving on AVR 8bit RISCs
[07:45:23] <AndChat|159600> And a nice additikn would be to use the axis GUI if a GNU+Linux system is available
[07:45:32] <archivist> just use a pc or the ARM work when its ready, avr is kina under powered
[07:45:43] <AndChat|159600> No...
[07:45:58] <AndChat|159600> A PC needs long to boot
[07:46:16] <AndChat|159600> The system should be available after 1second
[07:47:25] <archivist> so you want to use an underpowered platform and expect it to be faster !
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[07:47:44] <AndChat|159600> The stepper timing is no problem on the avr, see the grbl project
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[07:48:57] <Andy1978> Argh. Im on a train to munich... bad connection
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[08:23:45] <archivist> rob_h, are there any museums worth looking at/near peterborough (have to do an ebay pickup at 4:30)
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[08:29:06] <Tom_itx> if he needs to run avr8 have him look at the marlin reprap stuff
[08:32:34] <archivist> needs...I question the needs part
[08:33:00] <Tom_itx> i don't argue. the light will come thru the tunnel soon
[08:34:52] <Tom_itx> he should know about it though, i think marlin came from grbl but i'm not positive
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[09:01:05] <carper64_lb_> morning gents
[09:06:20] <rob_h> archivist, there is one in peterborough not been in it for years tho
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[09:49:37] <archivist> rob_h, I shall have a google see what I can find
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[10:28:31] <DJ9DJ> re
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[11:49:36] <cncbasher> jt?
[11:50:38] <jthornton> yes, what is triacchanger.hram-in-sw
[11:51:04] <cncbasher> their inputs from the limits
[11:51:18] <cncbasher> each arm has 2 limits
[11:51:26] <cncbasher> in & out
[11:51:32] <cncbasher> up & down
[11:52:14] <jthornton> net hram-in pyvcp.hram-in-led
[11:52:22] <jthornton> that should be all you need
[11:52:48] <jthornton> what device is triacchanger.hram-in-sw?
[11:53:02] <jthornton> I see it is connected to the 7i76 input
[11:53:26] <cncbasher> microswitch ( are -sw )
[11:53:44] <jthornton> in hal?
[11:54:29] <jthornton> or did you mean that to be a comment
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[12:48:52] <rob_h> archivist, always drive down the raod 20miles and come see our museum of machines ;)
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[14:00:02] <Valen> I would love to see that
[14:05:12] <frallzor> ahoyhoy
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[14:19:49] <PetefromTn> Wow jeez this doesn't look like much fun at all... http://www.thepostgame.com/blog/clip-board/201305/scary-moment-drag-racer-crashes-230-mph
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[14:38:30] <PetefromTn_> hello?
[14:39:05] <frallzor> Hola
[14:42:26] <PetefromTn_> ola frallzor..
[14:45:20] <frallzor> damn I'm bored...
[14:45:27] <ssi> hey pete
[14:46:00] <frallzor> http://img835.imageshack.us/img835/8742/img4933c.jpg this wlll be made into some nice custom coasters
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[14:48:30] <PetefromTn_> ssi: Hey man hows things?
[14:50:19] <ssi> good, I got your protram model done
[14:51:23] <PetefromTn_> Oh yeah thanks man.
[14:51:46] <PetefromTn_> I am sitting here camming up the first real paying job for my machine.
[14:52:16] <PetefromTn_> Unfortunately it is nothing more than three slots in a piece of square steel tubing.
[14:52:39] <PetefromTn_> I need to machine the three about 18 times
[14:53:08] <PetefromTn_> So I am waiting to receive my new Shars CNC vise that is supposed to be arriving today before I setup the machine with it.
[14:53:13] <ssi> haha
[14:53:37] <PetefromTn_> It's not much but it is something and hopefully if I do good for this fellow he will bring me more interesting work LOL
[14:53:52] <ssi> so I made the model, and for giggles I tried 3d printing it
[14:53:52] <ssi> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BKUIYZ1CMAAlTz2.jpg:large
[14:54:19] <PetefromTn_> Hey thats not bad actually...
[14:54:31] <ssi> heheh I bet it'll work fine too
[14:54:33] <PetefromTn_> how flat and square is it...
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[14:54:47] <ssi> enough
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[14:54:51] <ssi> and it doesn't have to be precise
[14:54:59] <PetefromTn_> Why not?
[14:55:00] <ssi> you calibrate any error out of it
[14:55:27] <ssi> they give you a little pill magnet with the tool, stick that to the table
[14:55:34] <PetefromTn_> And why does the one cup have the extra slot for the lock down ring thumbscrew and the other does not?
[14:55:59] <PetefromTn_> yeah..
[14:56:01] <ssi> bring it down on the magnet to a fixed Z, set the indicator to zero, then spin it around 180 and touch the other one to the magnet at the same fixed Z, set the indicator to zero
[14:56:26] <ssi> the left one is missing the lock screw slot because I accidentally suppressed it in solidworks when I exported the STL
[14:56:29] <ssi> heh
[14:56:35] <PetefromTn_> LOL...
[14:57:21] <PetefromTn_> How does that calibrate it? If the spindle is off initially and you spin it that doesn't just take the misalignment and make it appear square when its not no?
[14:57:35] <tjtr33> bidspotter, an online auction just called me about an auction today in GrandRapids. cnc parts for real cnc machine tools, maybe of interest http://www.bidspotter.com/forms/staticgallery.php?gallery=20930
[14:57:35] <tjtr33> big drives motors some Komet tooling plcs , i am not affiliated
[14:57:43] <ssi> no
[14:58:17] <ssi> since you're calibrating them both at the same spot, you're ensuring that both indicators read zero at exactly the same distance from the spindle in Z
[14:58:48] <ssi> then when you bring it down on the table or vise, you're measuring how far the table is from the spindle in Z at each indicator point
[14:58:57] <ssi> when those are dead equal, it's in tram
[14:59:34] <PetefromTn_> huh, I guess you need to think of it in a severe misalignment to understand how it works..
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[15:00:08] <PetefromTn_> SHould also be receiving my new chinco LED edge finder too.
[15:00:24] <PetefromTn_> Hoping it will be halfway decent.
[15:00:28] <ssi> I don't use edgefinders anymore
[15:00:35] <PetefromTn_> probes?
[15:00:39] <ssi> I usually just touch off a spot drill
[15:00:46] <ssi> manuall
[15:00:50] <PetefromTn_> really..
[15:00:52] <ssi> yea
[15:01:22] <PetefromTn_> I have always kept a mechanical edge finder in a toolholder specifically for setting up with.
[15:01:39] <ssi> I've never had great luck with them
[15:01:44] <PetefromTn_> I sold the last one which was a starret with the CNC'd RF45 I sold.
[15:01:48] <jdh> tjtr33: one near me also, but I can't pick up in time: http://www.bidspotter.com/forms/staticgallery.php?gallery=21046
[15:02:04] <tjtr33> indicol to tram spindles to tables, also finds centers also trams work square
[15:02:06] <ssi> if I need more accuracy than touching off a spot drill, I use a coaxial indicator and locate off a hole
[15:02:08] <tjtr33> jdh tx
[15:02:14] <PetefromTn_> Hmm... I have always had excellent results
[15:02:28] <jdh> what if there is no hole?
[15:02:44] <jdh> I like my little spinny edge finder thingie.
[15:02:53] <ssi> then what's so damn important that an edge touchoff won't do? :D
[15:02:54] <PetefromTn_> I like my coax but I don't trust it that much.
[15:03:32] <PetefromTn_> I agree that an indicol on the spindle is extremely useful and accurate.
[15:03:47] <ssi> not for touching off really
[15:04:04] <ssi> works for center finding, but I prefer coaxial indicator
[15:04:37] <PetefromTn_> Where I used to work they had some nice setups with last word indicators that were real useful. They had long reach adjustable arms. Cannot recall the brand.
[15:05:34] <ssi> rule of thumb is
[15:05:38] <ssi> all your money are belong to tooling
[15:05:58] <PetefromTn_> Honestly I plan to build a table mounted tool sensor and use this edge finder to locate work offsets.
[15:06:02] <tjtr33> want america to go metric? buy me a new toolset!
[15:06:33] <ssi> tjtr33: no, not really :P
[15:06:34] <PetefromTn_> Thats for sure, tooling be spensive..
[15:07:09] <PetefromTn_> How long did it take to print that part dude?
[15:07:15] <ssi> 2h47m
[15:07:25] <PetefromTn_> not bad..
[15:07:48] <PetefromTn_> I could probably machine it in 20 minutes on the Cinci LOL.
[15:07:57] <ssi> plus 2.5hr of setup :)
[15:08:08] <PetefromTn_> Aint that the kicker always..
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[15:08:38] <PetefromTn_> hey it's Mr. Bojangles...
[15:09:09] <Tom_itx> that's one reason i made my tool list match my cad cam tool list
[15:09:24] <Tom_itx> and try to have them preset
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[15:10:24] <PetefromTn_> Tom_itx: yup I do the same thing...
[15:10:45] <PetefromTn_> Nice that LinuxCNC's tool table is a seperate file you can copy and paste apparently.
[15:10:58] <Tom_itx> or edit in gedit
[15:11:46] <PetefromTn_> Im just saying that you can copy it to a flash drive and take it in the house to the Cad Cam computer and load it up to compare the two.
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[15:12:33] <jdh> or just export your ~/linuxcnc dir via samba and pull it up in notepad
[15:12:50] <PetefromTn_> whats samba?
[15:13:07] <Tom_itx> :( local guy doesn't carry half round drills
[15:13:16] <skunkworks> PetefromTn_, just wait for mach4 - the tool table will be a text file.. Go figure..
[15:13:21] <skunkworks> ;)
[15:13:31] <PetefromTn_> Yeah you can keep it LOL
[15:13:31] <skunkworks> PetefromTn_, samba is file sharing,
[15:13:40] <PetefromTn_> is it part of linux?
[15:13:43] <skunkworks> yes
[15:14:10] <jdh> you can save your CAM files directly to your linuxcnc disk
[15:14:18] <PetefromTn_> How many of you peeps use a network link on your machine tool to load and receive files from?
[15:14:23] <ssi> I do
[15:14:28] <skunkworks> Me
[15:14:33] <jdh> me
[15:14:35] <PetefromTn_> Have you ever had any issues?
[15:14:37] <Tom_itx> jdh, i tried to get my windows cam to do that but it didn't like it
[15:14:41] <skunkworks> (and watch youtube videos...)
[15:14:48] <ssi> yeah, I never have enough network drops in the shop where I need them
[15:14:54] <jdh> but, no pr0n allowed on machines
[15:15:06] <PetefromTn_> Im talking wireless here..
[15:15:07] <skunkworks> PetefromTn_, again - this isn't mach... This is a reatime patched operating system..
[15:15:18] <jdh> I use a PCI wifi card
[15:15:22] <Tom_itx> i wouldn't trust wireless in a noisy shop environment
[15:15:34] <skunkworks> I would try to stick with wired...
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[15:15:47] <PetefromTn_> SO you are all talked wired networking here then..
[15:15:56] <jdh> I'm talking wireless
[15:15:59] <IchGuckLive> Hi all B)
[15:16:05] <Tom_itx> most of ours were wired for rs232, no networks installed back then
[15:16:06] <PetefromTn_> Hi IchGuckLive
[15:16:18] <IchGuckLive> im 2 on a 150m beam
[15:16:18] <jdh> you're living in the past
[15:16:39] <Tom_itx> well it was probably 20 yrs ago
[15:16:48] <PetefromTn_> jdh: Have you ever had issues with the wireless in the shop?
[15:16:50] * cpresser loads all gcode from a NFS-Share. no problems so far
[15:16:50] <cradek> wireless is awesome for surfing the web in a coffee shop
[15:16:52] <jdh> yeah, when you had to walk uphill, both ways
[15:17:07] <ssi> lol
[15:17:09] <jdh> Pete: no, but it's just a hobby mill in my garage
[15:17:12] <PetefromTn_> in the snow right..
[15:17:17] <Tom_itx> blizzard
[15:17:21] <IchGuckLive> i got a NAS in the Shop
[15:17:32] <PetefromTn_> whatza NAS?
[15:17:47] <IchGuckLive> Network administration server
[15:17:56] <PetefromTn_> wireless?
[15:17:56] <jdh> networked attached storage
[15:17:57] <cpresser> NetworkAttachedStoreg
[15:17:58] <ssi> network attached storage :P
[15:18:01] <cpresser> ^^
[15:18:04] <cradek> marketing acronym
[15:18:29] <PetefromTn_> interesting...
[15:18:31] <IchGuckLive> all stand alone PC save a copy to this and can read from this
[15:18:36] <cpresser> true, basically its a file-server
[15:18:43] <IchGuckLive> yes
[15:18:50] <PetefromTn_> wired?
[15:18:57] <cpresser> sure :)
[15:19:03] <IchGuckLive> to asome yes
[15:19:16] <PetefromTn_> huh?
[15:19:29] <PetefromTn_> Stupid question here...
[15:19:35] <IchGuckLive> the TV got the movies from there
[15:19:44] <IchGuckLive> the satalite dish saves 2 it
[15:20:01] <ssi> it's super useful when people list machines for sale but don't say WHERE THEY ARE
[15:20:10] <PetefromTn_> Why does Linux CNC axis not include an indicator showing the tool number in use?
[15:20:16] <ssi> there is
[15:20:19] <ssi> at the bottom, in the status line
[15:20:21] <Tom_itx> at the bottom
[15:20:27] <Tom_itx> i also added one on the side
[15:20:27] <frallzor> NAS ftw
[15:20:34] <PetefromTn_> really I did not see it anywhere...
[15:20:35] <Tom_itx> showing the tool offset value as well
[15:20:50] <frallzor> I got one on this floor that streams "blu-ray copies" to my projector =P
[15:20:52] <Tom_itx> along the status bar at the bottom
[15:20:58] <PetefromTn_> huh... gonna have to look closer I guess.
[15:21:11] * Tom_itx gives PetefromTn_ some spectacles
[15:22:13] <PetefromTn_> Also would be nice to have buttons to turn the coolant on and off that work during a program as well as some buttons that give 10%,50%, and 100% spindle and feedrate overrides at a click...
[15:22:21] <PetefromTn_> Tom_itx: probably...
[15:22:25] <Tom_itx> you can add them
[15:22:39] <IchGuckLive> PetefromTn_: you can do a pyvcb BIG numger at the side 2 halui.tool.number got the number
[15:23:04] <PetefromTn_> IchGuckLive: thats all greek to me LOL
[15:23:24] <Tom_itx> i should take a screenshot
[15:23:38] <IchGuckLive> do you use pyvcp or glade PetefromTn_
[15:23:50] <PetefromTn_> Having run a program or two now I definitely like the control system and it seems to work excellent but there are a lot of little things I would like to have added to the display.
[15:24:23] <PetefromTn_> I dunno, Connor did my MPG panel with buttons for the axes and on and off. Cannot remember how he did it tho.
[15:24:30] <IchGuckLive> get you a panel on side
[15:24:32] <Tom_itx> PetefromTn_, time to start customizing it
[15:24:42] <IchGuckLive> tom got it
[15:24:42] <PetefromTn_> Tom_itx: love to see your screenshot.
[15:24:46] <tjtr33> pyvcp and gladevcp are DIY linuxcnc screen builders. the wiki has loads of xmpls
[15:24:53] <PetefromTn_> Of your panel that is LOL.
[15:25:12] <ssi> I need to do some pyvcp for the plasma
[15:25:13] <IchGuckLive> PetefromTn_: http://www.linuxcnc.org/docs/devel/html/hal/pyvcp_examples.html
[15:25:24] <IchGuckLive> ssi thats good
[15:25:27] <PetefromTn_> tjtr33: Yeah I know just don't know much about how to program this stuff...
[15:25:53] <PetefromTn_> I'm far more of a mech guy than a tech guy ROFL...
[15:26:06] <IchGuckLive> ssi: this is what your plasma needs http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?Simple_Remote_Pendant
[15:26:20] <IchGuckLive> its the hell of a pendand
[15:26:25] <IchGuckLive> t
[15:26:39] <IchGuckLive> 12 butons and 7 axis
[15:26:40] <ssi> yea I might oughta mess with it
[15:26:51] <IchGuckLive> i use it
[15:27:15] <ssi> plasma has been earning its keep
[15:27:17] <ssi> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BKR1ZaVCcAAQ_7t.jpg:large
[15:27:19] <PetefromTn_> I would at some point really like to build or buy a NICE professional looking portable pendant for the machine.
[15:27:20] <ssi> making all my servo mounts
[15:27:25] <ssi> got all three axes done
[15:27:26] <IchGuckLive> also at a active 10m usb it works well yu can be 7+m away from the mashine and move all
[15:28:13] <Tom_itx> PetefromTn_, http://tom-itx.dyndns.org:81/~webpage/cnc/screenshot.png
[15:29:17] <IchGuckLive> tom is it posibel to get the xml and the custom:_postgui.hal
[15:29:30] <ssi> PetefromTn_: I ordered those pulleys and had them sent to connor's
[15:29:40] <Tom_itx> IchGuckLive, i don't see why not
[15:29:41] <FinboySlick> Haha. I looked at the picture, then I started clicking on it to scroll up.
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[15:30:06] <ssi> dang flaky pete
[15:30:07] <ssi> haha
[15:30:09] <ssi> PetefromTn_: I ordered those pulleys and had them sent to connor's
[15:30:13] <Tom_itx> i bet he missed it too
[15:30:16] <PetefromTn> Getting real damn tired of being bumped off..
[15:30:17] <Tom_itx> PetefromTn ^^
[15:30:26] <Tom_itx> did you get that link?
[15:30:32] <PetefromTn> nope..
[15:30:40] <Tom_itx> http://tom-itx.dyndns.org:81/~webpage/cnc/screenshot.png
[15:30:57] <Tom_itx> IchGuckLive, i'll post in a bit
[15:31:09] <IchGuckLive> B)
[15:31:23] <jdh> ssi: do you have your spindle motor mounted?
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[15:31:42] <Tom_itx> the 2 cycle times show time to first M0 and overall run time
[15:31:57] <PetefromTn> Tom_itx: Thats sweet man...
[15:32:10] <ssi> jdh: not yet
[15:32:23] <Tom_itx> i'll probably add a couple more things
[15:32:26] <PetefromTn> whats all that shtuff above the view window>>
[15:32:28] <jdh> you doing belt and new bearings?
[15:32:28] <IchGuckLive> Tom_itx: the 0.0 above axis zero
[15:32:36] <ssi> probably not new bearings right away
[15:32:44] <PetefromTn> ssi: Sounds good man I will try to not screw them up for ya LOL
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[15:32:47] <Tom_itx> spindle speed
[15:32:48] <ssi> PetefromTn: :D
[15:32:53] <Tom_itx> both graphic and numeric
[15:32:58] <IchGuckLive> Nice
[15:33:14] <PetefromTn> No I mean the folder tabs..
[15:33:15] <Tom_itx> you'll have to change that for your own encoder
[15:33:22] <IchGuckLive> Tom_itx: calculaded or return from VFD
[15:33:33] <Tom_itx> calc
[15:34:05] <ssi> PetefromTn: ngcgui I think
[15:34:14] <IchGuckLive> the ofset is Z from tool or the diameter
[15:34:18] <PetefromTn> whazzat?
[15:34:33] <ssi> PetefromTn: it's like a conversational interface
[15:34:46] <PetefromTn> REALLY!!
[15:34:53] <Tom_itx> PetefromTn, that's addons that are builtin
[15:35:12] <tjtr33> i think you can put the numeric value inside the analog meter, in place of the text
[15:35:31] <Tom_itx> in the raised pannel?
[15:35:47] <Tom_itx> it's easy for me to see this way
[15:35:48] <tjtr33> inside the circle of the meter
[15:35:54] <IchGuckLive> ok finish work Tom_itx im back in 1,5hr waiting to see your xml
[15:36:06] <Tom_itx> gimme a sec and i'll post it now
[15:36:12] <IchGuckLive> ok
[15:36:20] <jdh> Pete: are you boring 704 spindle pulleys?
[15:36:24] <tjtr33> ok but me & Ich wondered what the 0,0 was related to
[15:36:27] <Connor> PetefromTn: The stuff above the view window is what I was telling you about.. that's were the wizards and stuff goes.
[15:36:51] <IchGuckLive> tjtr33: numbert RPM
[15:37:00] <tjtr33> yah got that thx
[15:37:14] <IchGuckLive> he realy wants t know whats going on
[15:37:21] <Connor> and PetefromTn You may want to look for a different IRC Client.
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[15:37:31] <PetefromTn_> WTF!!
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[15:37:41] <Connor> PetefromTn: The stuff above the view window is what I was telling you about.. that's were the wizards and stuff goes.
[15:37:44] <Tom_itx> i have to manually set my SS so i like the display
[15:37:47] <Connor> and PetefromTn You may want to look for a different IRC Client.
[15:38:13] <PetefromTn_> Ya mean quassel or something else?
[15:38:21] <IchGuckLive> chatzilla
[15:38:21] <Connor> yea.
[15:38:26] <Connor> or mIRC
[15:38:40] <PetefromTn_> really annoying...
[15:38:52] <PetefromTn_> Barely got this one setup \
[15:38:52] <IchGuckLive> chatzilla is mozilla adon
[15:39:01] <PetefromTn_> Oh really I have mozily
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[15:39:33] <IchGuckLive> extra adon type chatzila and ok
[15:39:33] <PetefromTn_> Connor: How can I get blessed with all that SHTUFF atop the view window
[15:39:33] <Tom_itx> IchGuckLive, http://tom-itx.dyndns.org:81/~webpage/cnc/configs/sherline/
[15:40:05] <PetefromTn_> Gonna try to download another IRC thingy...
[15:40:06] <Tom_itx> PetefromTn_, add it to your ini file
[15:40:07] <Connor> PetefromTn_: I'll see about hooking you up next time I'm over there.. or maybe we can walk you through it in IRC.
[15:40:20] <PetefromTn_> It is a download somewhere?
[15:40:29] <Tom_itx> you have 2.5.2?
[15:40:35] <Tom_itx> it's installed already
[15:40:36] <Connor> Tom_itx: I have him on 2.6.x
[15:40:53] <PetefromTn_> does that mean Im screwed?
[15:40:57] <Connor> no.
[15:40:58] <Tom_itx> no
[15:41:04] <Tom_itx> you just need to add it to the ini
[15:41:10] <Tom_itx> there's a howto for it somewhere
[15:41:13] <IchGuckLive> Tom_itx: thanks im off By
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[15:41:17] <Tom_itx> np
[15:41:26] <Connor> 2.5.2 is the official stable release. 2.6.x is development..
[15:42:13] <PetefromTn_> Downloading MIRC>
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[15:43:07] <PetefromTn_> Do I need to close this CHat before I open MIRC?
[15:43:17] <ReadError_> no
[15:43:18] <Connor> No.
[15:43:22] <PetefromTn_> cool...
[15:43:33] <Connor> You'll just be in the room twice. :) One as PetefromTn_ and one as PetefromTn
[15:44:30] <jdh> Connor: did you get a new motor mounting plate or reuse the existing one?
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[15:45:13] <PetefromTn_> ya gotta buy MIRC?
[15:45:21] <ReadError_> no
[15:45:29] <ReadError_> you just click continue on the nag screen
[15:45:37] <ReadError_> its like winrar
[15:45:37] <PetefromTn_> says 30 day eval copy..
[15:46:09] <ReadError_> nobody buys it
[15:46:16] <ReadError_> well maybe like 15 people have
[15:46:22] <PetefromTn_> LOL..
[15:49:10] <PetefromTn_> hello?
[15:49:46] * ReadError_ : Message failed.
[15:49:49] <Tom_itx> now you can make a mIrc script to auto login and reconnect etc
[15:50:07] <PetefromTn_> is it on?
[15:50:19] <Tom_itx> where'd PetefromTn_ go?
[15:50:53] <PetefromTn_> Tom_itx: Should I add freenode random server
[15:51:09] <Tom_itx> i think that's what mine is
[15:51:23] <PetefromTn_> or random US server?
[15:51:52] <Connor> jdh ? For my Treadmill motor ?
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[15:52:11] <PetefromTn> hey anyone hear me?
[15:52:16] <ssi> PetefromTn: loud and clear
[15:52:18] <Connor> I made a whole new mounting plate.
[15:52:31] <jdh> cool. got pics?
[15:52:32] <Connor> Followed Hoss's plan's on that in fact..
[15:52:38] <PetefromTn> YEAH I DID IT! Strike one for the non tech guy LOL
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[15:52:55] <PetefromTn> hello?
[15:52:55] <Connor> Not yet. I want to wait till I finish up the PDB.. Which WILL be this Weekend.
[15:53:00] <Connor> PetefromTn: Yup.
[15:53:11] <ssi> Connor: how are you doing that? hoss's plans again?
[15:53:13] <jdh> how thick? 3/4?
[15:53:38] <Connor> ssi: Kinda.. Mostly as reference on the PDB.
[15:53:49] <ssi> take lots of pictures
[15:53:52] <Connor> jdh Yea. 3/4" on the side supports and for the top plate.
[15:53:54] <ssi> I want to do a pdb pretty soon
[15:54:14] <Connor> uses a large diameter tube too.
[15:54:30] <ssi> Connor: are you gonna have to turn your drawbar down at all?
[15:55:09] <Connor> completly replaced it with 7/16 ?? (I think) Threaded rod.. Not the cheap stuff either..good grade..
[15:55:19] <ssi> ah
[15:55:22] <Connor> and a lug nut on top.. Locktighted in place.
[15:55:33] <ssi> using belleville springs?
[15:55:37] <Connor> yup
[15:55:48] <ssi> do they bear directly down on the top of the quill?
[15:55:55] <ssi> or on a nut on the quill or something
[15:56:09] <Connor> On a "top hat" that the lift plate goes under..
[15:56:27] <ssi> I see
[15:56:32] <Connor> it's a pinch style.. that way no pressure on the quill or spindle.
[15:56:47] <PetefromTn> Not diggin the white here...
[15:57:02] <ssi> so the hat is threaded on the quill? and then the springs bear on a hat, which is bearing on a lift plate
[15:57:10] <Connor> PetefromTn: Been a while since I've used mIRC.. I think you can change the font colors.
[15:57:18] <ssi> so all your downforce from the cylinder is bearing on the lift plate
[15:57:24] <PetefromTn> Yeah messin with it now..
[15:57:29] <Connor> ssi Bingo.
[15:57:35] <PetefromTn> Im a messer.
[15:57:35] <ssi> Connor: what are you using for a cylinder?
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[15:58:10] <Connor> Fabco 3 stage 3.5" Diameter, 1" stoke
[15:58:16] <Connor> off of ebay.
[15:58:58] <ssi> how much force is it rated for?
[15:59:22] <Connor> I don't recall.. but, enough... more than enough. :)
[15:59:23] <PetefromTn> jeez it'l even talk to you LOL...
[15:59:40] <Connor> I'm going to be using Scuba tanks to run it..
[15:59:47] <ssi> hah really
[16:00:06] <ssi> I'd much prefer something that'll run on shop air
[16:00:16] <Connor> Yea. I have a little air compressor.. but I have 2 steel tanks and a primary stage setup for providing the air source.
[16:00:19] <ssi> I might need a lever to do that
[16:00:53] <PetefromTn> you guys sound funny with a female voice LOL
[16:00:57] <ssi> hah
[16:01:09] <Connor> ssi I have a very SMALL workspace.. 11' x 7' room.. that's it.. and most if it is eatin up by a 7' x 40" Stainless Steel Elevator door as a workbench.
[16:01:17] <ssi> I see
[16:01:26] <ssi> PetefromTn: don't involve us in your sick fantasies!
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[16:01:34] <Connor> http://www.ivdc.com/cnc/shop/
[16:01:57] <Connor> pre Mill, Pre MDF box for the Vacuum.. Radial Arm saw is now gone..
[16:02:08] <ssi> was gonna say
[16:02:10] <PetefromTn> ssi Aww why not?
[16:02:14] <ssi> there's your problem, full up with wood tools :P
[16:02:39] <Connor> I still have the Drill Press and the Band saw.
[16:02:56] <PetefromTn> How come I can't type the first letter of a name and hit tab anymore.
[16:02:57] <Connor> and the miter saw.. which is now setup for cutting down alumn stock.
[16:02:57] <ssi> nice crane
[16:03:19] <Connor> PetefromTn: Hmm.. Not sure.. some clients may not support that.. I could have sworn mIRC did.
[16:03:44] <PetefromTn> Connor Hmm it works for you not ssi for some reason..
[16:03:56] <PetefromTn> Maybe it does not like him LOL
[16:03:58] <ssi> :'(
[16:04:00] <Connor> Do ss then tab
[16:04:07] <Connor> lots of s's in the room.
[16:04:13] <PetefromTn> ssi Yeah I know..
[16:04:40] <PetefromTn> well we'll see how long it takes me to get kicked off on this chat now right..
[16:05:00] <Connor> Hopefully it'll be more stable.. could be the client.. could be the server the client is sending you too..
[16:05:37] <PetefromTn> so far it is pretty good tho..
[16:06:01] <ssi> aw man I really don't want to go into the office for a stupid meeting
[16:06:11] <ssi> I have the "tomorrow I go on vacation" fuckits real bad
[16:06:16] <PetefromTn> want some cheese with that whine...?
[16:06:32] <PetefromTn> whatza vacation?
[16:07:23] <ssi> well it means something different for me than it does most people :P
[16:07:34] <PetefromTn> dress in drag?
[16:07:41] <ssi> yea pretty muchthat
[16:07:48] <PetefromTn> LOL
[16:08:25] <Connor> ssi: What do you do ?
[16:08:37] <ssi> Connor: software crap
[16:08:56] <Connor> Yea.. little more specific.. cause.. My job falls into that too. :)
[16:09:10] <jdh> mine too
[16:09:24] <jdh> anyone else hate computers?
[16:09:26] <ssi> I'm a principal architect for turner
[16:09:35] <PetefromTn> ooh me I do I do..
[16:09:49] <ssi> ie, software crap
[16:09:52] <Connor> as in Turner broadcasting ?
[16:09:55] <ssi> yep
[16:10:21] <Connor> as in Very Funny?
[16:10:27] <Connor> I hate that tag line...
[16:10:35] <PetefromTn> must not be too bad, I mean after all you have CNC toys and you are building your own airplane right...
[16:10:39] <ssi> i design (and sometimes implement) all the backend data sutff for cnn and all our sportsand entertainment properties
[16:10:45] <Connor> Why on earth does a TV show need to proclaim themselves as "Very Funny"
[16:10:47] <ssi> PetefromTn: i'm single and in a lot of debt
[16:10:58] <PetefromTn> Ooh Im sorry...
[16:11:00] <ssi> :)
[16:11:10] <ssi> it's fine
[16:11:12] <PetefromTn> how did that happen, nice fellow like yourself.
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[16:11:18] <ssi> I'm just not the millionaire everyone thinks I must be
[16:11:24] <PetefromTn> are you an ugly bastard?
[16:11:24] <Connor> I do webdevelopment + database crap + network admin
[16:11:30] <ssi> it's amazing how much money you can spend on yourself when you don't spend it on women and children
[16:11:43] <ssi> and yes, I'm an ugly bastard
[16:11:45] <PetefromTn> I am sure...
[16:11:49] <ssi> someone in here even thought I was british
[16:11:51] <PetefromTn> hey me too!
[16:11:51] <ssi> BRITISH!
[16:11:57] <ssi> hahahaha
[16:12:22] <jdh> they have dentists for that.
[16:12:27] <Connor> Well.. probably because of the whois info..
[16:12:33] <ssi> meh
[16:12:37] <Connor> Username: ~ssi@app2.prototechnical.com
[16:12:37] <Connor> Real name: Ian
[16:12:37] <Connor> Server: holmes.freenode.net (London, UK)
[16:12:37] <PetefromTn> I'll introduce you to my wifes sister...she's a nutcase. and ugly too.
[16:12:37] <ssi> teeth are overrated
[16:12:49] <ssi> Connor: aha
[16:12:55] <ssi> I let it autoselect servers
[16:13:10] <ssi> PetefromTn: lol
[16:13:30] <PetefromTn> you got the skinny on me too Connor...?
[16:13:32] <ssi> obviously she's an outlier on the hot/crazy continuum
[16:13:45] <Connor> Username: PetefromTn@66-191-249-180.dhcp.kgpt.tn.charter.com
[16:13:45] <Connor> Real name: ...
[16:13:45] <Connor> Server: hitchcock.freenode.net (Sofia, BG, EU)
[16:13:46] <PetefromTn> yeah WAY out...
[16:14:09] <ssi> so do people think pete's bulgarian?
[16:14:11] <ssi> or whatever the hell that is
[16:14:21] <Connor> No clue.. it changes everytime you login.
[16:14:21] <ssi> yea bulgaria
[16:14:35] <Connor> But.. Pete is clearly from TN
[16:14:45] <PetefromTn> yep but I'm Italian...LOL
[16:15:02] <ssi> and I'm clearly... maintaining my irc client in a screen session on a colocated server in downtown atlanta :P
[16:15:06] <Connor> Not sure where people think I'm from.. I'm up and strange hours..
[16:15:17] <jdh> knoxvegas
[16:15:23] <jdh> the accent gives it away
[16:15:32] <PetefromTn> Gawd I hate that I am living here LOL
[16:15:41] <jdh> that and the geotag in the exif
[16:15:42] <Connor> Watcha talkin bought? I aint got no acent..
[16:16:01] <PetefromTn> Someone please buy my house and I will move back to Florida NOW!!
[16:16:13] <ssi> when I get the cherokee back airworthy I gotta fly up thataways
[16:16:15] <ssi> it's just over an hour
[16:16:20] <PetefromTn> I'll even throw in a partially retrofitted Cincinatti VMC
[16:16:43] <Connor> PetefromTn: Why did you move to TN ?
[16:16:44] <ssi> PetefromTn: how much is the house? :P
[16:16:48] <jdh> florida rednecks have .tn.us beat any day.
[16:16:52] <ssi> (I really want a VMC)
[16:17:09] <PetefromTn> Hell Id make ya a great smokin' deal LOL....
[16:17:22] <PetefromTn> jdh are ya a florida boy?
[16:18:06] <jdh> Pete: nope, but I drive down 5 or 6 times a year
[16:18:10] <jdh> ssi: http://www.bidspotter.com/forms/staticitem.php?photo=16194079&gallery=21046
[16:18:26] <PetefromTn> wish I could...
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[16:18:37] <ssi> heh that'll work
[16:18:49] <PetefromTn> Who is Gene Haskett? he posts on the list all the time, is he on here..
[16:19:14] <cradek> sometimes yes
[16:19:56] <PetefromTn> ssi Thats a big bastard LOL...
[16:20:02] <ssi> yeah it's big
[16:20:10] <ssi> that's my only concern with getting something like that
[16:20:14] <PetefromTn> prolly weighs around 10k or more..
[16:20:16] <ssi> I'd probably need to put it at the airport
[16:20:17] <ssi> it's 12,5
[16:20:23] <ssi> 12,7
[16:20:27] <ssi> I'd need to pay a rigger at both ends too
[16:20:33] <PetefromTn> yup.
[16:20:54] <PetefromTn> sure would be nice to have 40x20 tho..
[16:21:23] <PetefromTn> that is why I was looking for that VMC15XT fadal.. It is a machine about the size of mine that has 16x30 travel.
[16:22:04] <ssi> hey pete how do you want that protram model?
[16:22:23] <jdh> built
[16:22:25] <ssi> what format, and gimme an email address
[16:22:27] <PetefromTn> It does have a sweet vertical swingarm toolchanger and chip augers tho..
[16:22:51] <PetefromTn> Honestly I dunno, you drew it 3d huh..
[16:22:55] <ssi> yea
[16:23:05] <ssi> it's a solidworks part at the moment
[16:23:05] <PetefromTn> I am 3dilliterate...
[16:23:25] <Tom_itx> what part is this?
[16:23:32] <ssi> k well tonight I can create 2d drawings
[16:23:36] <ssi> I gotta run to work
[16:23:38] <PetefromTn> I suppose whatever you got and I will deal with it on my end..
[16:23:55] <PetefromTn> My addy is PetefromTn@Gmail.com
[16:24:11] <ssi> ok
[16:24:16] <PetefromTn> Thanks dude..
[16:25:08] <ssi> sent... back in a bit
[16:25:28] <PetefromTn> either everyone on the chat list is online now or this IRC does not highlight those that are online somehow.
[16:25:36] <PetefromTn> Take it easy man.
[16:27:20] <PetefromTn> whats a kick?
[16:27:44] <Tom_itx> when an op kicks you off the channel
[16:27:59] <PetefromTn> oh okay...don't want that LOL
[16:29:05] <PetefromTn> How many of you work strictly from 3d files and machine in 3d cam software?
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[16:35:13] <t12> what do you mean strictly
[16:35:33] <t12> like use computer generated gcode only?
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[16:42:08] <PetefromTn> hello?
[16:43:03] <Connor> PetefromTn: You get kicked again ?
[16:43:08] * JT-Shop goes back out to mow more grass
[16:43:11] <PetefromTn> yup.. Is this normal
[16:43:16] <Connor> No.
[16:43:27] <PetefromTn> maybe it is Charter..
[16:43:31] <Connor> Could be..
[16:43:48] <Connor> normally IRC is pretty good about not having issues.. since it's so low bandwidth..
[16:43:49] <PetefromTn> altho every time I get kicked off I still have internet because I have checked a time or two.
[16:44:31] <Connor> Your still on the same server as before.. strange.
[16:44:54] <PetefromTn> huh?
[16:46:00] <PetefromTn> am I still here LOL
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[16:48:59] <PetefromTn> ..
[16:50:13] <Connor> PetefromTn: Now your on a different server..
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[16:50:23] <Connor> If it happens again.. I'm going to blame Charter, or your router.
[16:50:25] <PetefromTn> really..
[16:50:36] <Connor> do a /whois PetefromTn
[16:50:40] <PetefromTn> I blame myself...
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[16:50:58] <gammax-Laptop1> Hola all
[16:51:03] <PetefromTn> type that in..
[16:51:11] <Connor> yea.
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[16:51:20] <Connor> it'll give you info about yourself.. I.E. which server you ended up on.
[16:51:40] <PetefromTn> calvino freenode at milan IT
[16:51:48] <Connor> yup.
[16:52:01] <Connor> in Italy now.
[16:52:07] <PetefromTn> Hey that works I'm italian LOL
[16:52:15] <Connor> Kinda fitting since your Italian..
[16:52:33] <PetefromTn> hehe..
[16:53:03] <PetefromTn> I need to get off my butt and change the brake pads in my wife's trooper before she gets home but I don't wanna.
[16:53:42] <Tom_itx> that's about a 30 min job if you get after it
[16:53:44] <PetefromTn> I also wanted to try to machine a fly cutter like i did on my RF45 for the Cincinatti to lock onto the shell mill holders I have.
[16:54:04] <PetefromTn> Tom_itx Yeah I know I have done a bunch of times but still no fun.
[16:54:22] <PetefromTn> Besides it will take me that long just to get it jacked up.
[16:54:22] <Tom_itx> i changed rear hubs out last weekend
[16:54:31] <PetefromTn> on what?
[16:54:37] <Tom_itx> chevy
[16:54:45] <PetefromTn> oh a chebby huh.
[16:54:48] <Tom_itx> about an hr ea
[16:54:58] <PetefromTn> straight axle?
[16:55:12] <Tom_itx> independent
[16:55:19] <PetefromTn> RWD?
[16:55:29] <Tom_itx> no
[16:55:38] <PetefromTn> well ya see that is easy...
[16:55:54] <Tom_itx> so is changin break pads
[16:56:04] <generic_nick|2> i need to change the rear hub seals on the chevy axle in my jeep
[16:56:07] <PetefromTn> Come on over and see if you can figure out what the hell is wrong with my Fiero GT motor LOL
[16:56:27] <generic_nick|2> PetefromTn: easy... it's a fiero. problem solved
[16:56:29] <PetefromTn> what axle
[16:56:29] <Tom_itx> it's a fiero
[16:56:35] <PetefromTn> smartasses..
[16:56:45] <generic_nick|2> corperate 14 bolt
[16:56:48] <PetefromTn> Hey man I LOVE my fiero. It makes me look sexy.
[16:57:06] <PetefromTn> that's what I keep telling myself anyways...
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[16:57:10] <generic_nick|2> you dont even have to feather your mullet when you drive one
[16:57:13] <IchGuckLive> Hi all B)
[16:57:29] <PetefromTn> cut yer mullet dude!
[16:57:46] <Tom_itx> IchGuckLive, you may need the mdi commands from the ini
[16:57:55] <Tom_itx> they're easy to do
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[16:58:05] <PetefromTn> generic_nick|2... got c-clips?
[16:58:05] <IchGuckLive> do you use the G92 for it then its clear
[16:58:08] <generic_nick|2> i was thinking of making some nice billet aluminum hubs for my 14 bolt to save 40 or 50lbs
[16:58:18] <generic_nick|2> PetefromTn: full float
[16:58:28] <PetefromTn> well then whatreya whinin' about?
[16:58:55] <PetefromTn> er NO on the aluminum hubs...
[16:58:58] <generic_nick|2> the price of the seals lol
[16:59:07] <generic_nick|2> aluminum hubs are fine.
[16:59:13] <PetefromTn> unless you live far away from me and never plan to come nearby.
[16:59:23] <PetefromTn> can't see it from my house.
[16:59:40] <Tom_itx> IchGuckLive, the zero button?
[16:59:42] <generic_nick|2> you do realize the class 1 and class 10 cars i work on have aluminum hubs
[16:59:44] <Tom_itx> calls a sub
[16:59:53] <generic_nick|2> they take an assload of abuse
[16:59:54] <PetefromTn> what kinda vehicle.
[17:00:09] <generic_nick|2> class 1 and class 10
[17:00:12] <IchGuckLive> Tom_itx: yes the G92 X0 Y0 Z0
[17:00:39] <PetefromTn> make one on a 3d printer...
[17:00:49] <generic_nick|2> race buggys that go through the desert at 130mph hitting 4 foot woops
[17:01:31] <PetefromTn> just bustin' yer balls man... whatever floats your boat do it and post pics right.
[17:01:37] <Tom_itx> IchGuckLive, i use g90
[17:01:56] <Tom_itx> and i put z on a line by itself so you don't hit fixtures
[17:01:58] <IchGuckLive> for the axis Zero Mdi
[17:02:21] <Tom_itx> G90 G0 Z0
[17:02:22] <generic_nick|2> PetefromTn: http://www.ballisticfabrication.com/Aluminum-Full-Float-Axle-Hubs_p_1695.html
[17:02:26] <Tom_itx> G0 X0 Y0
[17:02:41] <IchGuckLive> oh it is the move to zero
[17:02:47] <Tom_itx> yeah
[17:02:54] <Tom_itx> for the G54 fixture offset
[17:03:00] <PetefromTn> Ooh pretty...
[17:03:00] <IchGuckLive> i thout on Zeroing the place to G54
[17:03:02] <Tom_itx> or active fixture offset
[17:03:11] <PetefromTn> 7075?
[17:03:27] <generic_nick|2> 6061
[17:03:42] <Tom_itx> the other 3 zero the G54
[17:03:48] <IchGuckLive> Tom_itx: i set the Fixure ofset as the Pc is miles away from the mashine by pressing a button on the Pendand
[17:04:09] <PetefromTn> I am surprised that they make them from something so soft...
[17:04:24] <Tom_itx> i need more buttons on mine :)
[17:04:36] <IchGuckLive> i got all 12 Buttons filed
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[17:04:44] <PetefromTn> Tom_itx Never enough buttons...
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[17:05:31] <PetefromTn> love full floaters...
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[17:05:44] <Tom_itx> the others do a G10 L20 P1 X0
[17:05:59] <andypugh> Soft is relative
[17:06:07] <IchGuckLive> Tom_itx: i se
[17:06:29] <PetefromTn> andypugh Yeah man for instance, I am pretty soft.
[17:06:41] <PetefromTn> and getting softer.
[17:06:47] <andypugh> As long as the tyres don't have enough grip to pull the studs out, there is no risk.
[17:07:03] <PetefromTn> just need better tires..
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[17:07:56] <andypugh> I doubt that anyone would ever consider making bike hubs out of anything but aluminium.
[17:08:09] <PetefromTn> Well I gotta get going and do something productive....
[17:08:14] <PetefromTn> yeah...
[17:08:25] <PetefromTn> c ya fellas later.
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[17:15:49] <ssi> productive?!
[17:15:50] <ssi> boring
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[17:27:33] <gammax-Laptop1> ssi, u get a 704 or a copy of it?
[17:27:43] <ssi> genuine name brand grizzly :P
[17:27:58] <gammax-Laptop1> lol
[17:28:08] <gammax-Laptop1> how much she cost u?
[17:28:13] <ssi> about $1100
[17:28:19] <gammax-Laptop1> not bad
[17:28:25] <gammax-Laptop1> you doing conversion on it?
[17:28:27] <ssi> they're more now
[17:28:27] <ssi> yea
[17:29:05] <archivist> rob_h, had already started travelling when you said that, got there early 3:15 and just got back home
[17:29:48] <ReadError_> ssi, did you have it shipped?
[17:29:50] <gammax-Laptop1> im thinkin about making conversion kits for the 704
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[17:31:58] <gammax-Laptop1> I just need to get one for measurements and stuff
[17:33:14] <ReadError_> shouldnt you like...own one?
[17:33:30] <gammax-Laptop1> my counterpart has one.
[17:33:37] <gammax-Laptop1> so i font realy needone
[17:36:56] <Connor> I tell you what would be good gammax-Laptop1 I Belt Conversion kit.. no one is doing those.. just the CNC conversion..
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[17:37:27] <gammax-Laptop1> were already making the belt conversions for the rf45 type machine.
[17:37:32] <gammax-Laptop1> would be easy
[17:38:40] <gammax-Laptop1> all I would need would be an extra head laying around...
[17:39:10] <andypugh> When I re-motored my mini-mill I kept the gearbox. (though I converted to steel gears and oil bath). I rather wish I hadn't, it is so noisy.
[17:39:53] <generic_nick|2> ok im trying to edit a confg file in terminal for my touch screen. i assume to save it i need to do ^O write out, correct? how the hell do i "^O"?
[17:40:14] <Loetmichel> andypugh: so make every other gear from POM
[17:40:22] <gammax-Laptop1> if anyone has a extra head to a 704 ill gladly give you a belt drive kit? :)
[17:40:23] <Loetmichel> -> silent ;-)
[17:41:05] <cradek> ^ means control
[17:41:14] <skunkworks> boring? http://electronicsam.com/images/boring.jpg
[17:41:18] <generic_nick|2> gotcha, thanks cradek
[17:42:24] <generic_nick|2> dang it, didnt work. touch screen is still backwards
[17:43:27] <generic_nick|2> hmm i think i got it
[17:46:33] <generic_nick|2> maybe not
[17:49:15] <JT-Shop> every time I look into doing stuff like that the cost of the components are more than chinlee kits
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[17:54:14] <Connor> JT-Shop: doing what stuff ?
[17:54:27] <JT-Shop> making kits to CNC things
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[17:54:56] <Connor> Ahh.
[17:55:28] <generic_nick|2> opps, now i did it.... no more keyboard and mouse. not sure how to change it now lol
[17:56:55] <generic_nick|2> did i just screw myself?
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[17:58:07] <Connor> Nahh.. You'll have to boot up in Command Line mode.. and modify the X windows config files.
[17:58:59] <generic_nick|2> would it just be better to wipe it out and install the latest version? i'm still on 2.5pre
[17:59:15] <generic_nick|2> i'm all backed up so i wouldnt loose anything important
[17:59:26] <Connor> That's up to you. :)
[17:59:59] <generic_nick|2> anything cool added since 2.5pre?
[18:00:16] <Connor> I dunno.. I'm running 2.6.x
[18:00:30] <ReadError_> im running 2.5 i think still
[18:00:35] <ReadError_> works fine, no reason to update
[18:00:54] <generic_nick|2> how about ubuntu?
[18:02:05] <skunkworks> you still have to use 10.04
[18:02:57] <generic_nick|2> yea just seeing that now
[18:03:15] <skunkworks> (unless you want to test some new kernels.. :)
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[18:03:39] <JT-Shop> dangit that G10L20 bug almost cost me a tool holder... glad I could stop it just as the insert shattered trying to take a 0.125 deep cut
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[18:12:07] <Patang> Anybody know a good place to buy FR1 PCB? Couldnt seem to find any on Ebay. I live in Norway btw
[18:12:28] <ReadError_> FR1 ?
[18:12:34] <ReadError_> i thought it was typically FR4
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[18:15:52] <Patang> Dangerous to mill FR4. The dust is poisonous
[18:16:08] <ReadError_> we have a saying
[18:16:12] <ReadError_> if you scared go to church
[18:16:51] <frallzor> dont inhale the dust then =P
[18:17:04] <frallzor> or just cool constantly to create a slurry
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[18:17:39] <frallzor> if you inhale that on purpose you have bigger problems than the dust =P
[18:17:44] <Patang> so, I guess no one knows then
[18:19:14] <generic_nick|2> i just swapped the hdd out for another one i had with emc loaded on it already.
[18:19:38] <generic_nick|2> guess im lazy lol
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[18:32:16] <Sharpen047> Hey everyone, ive been looking into adding a 4th and 5th axis to my cnc and need some help getting my system configured to run more than 4 axes. I saw the kinematics page but dont know what else to do.
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[18:38:34] <skunkworks> heh http://www.cnczone.com/forums/opensource_software/180660-linux_computer-numeric-control_5_axis_computer-numeric-control.html
[18:39:54] <skunkworks> Sharpen047, you can't use stepconf to setup that type of machine (way beyond what stepconf was designed to do)
[18:40:11] <skunkworks> you might want to look at the 5 axis config
[18:40:22] <skunkworks> http://git.linuxcnc.org/gitweb?p=linuxcnc.git;a=tree;f=configs/5axis;h=29f60dd3a50b6c4736c759d154687cdf249e0a1f;hb=HEAD
[18:40:48] <skunkworks> it is a simulated machine but gives you an Idea on how to use the 5 axis kins..
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[18:51:54] <ssi> ReadError_: yea I had it shipped
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[19:31:01] <andypugh> Loetmichel: The machine came with plastic gears. The teeth fell off..
[19:32:16] <skunkworks> I resemble that remark...
[19:35:17] <Loetmichel> andypugh: plastic != POM
[19:35:35] <andypugh> True, and I don't know what the Chinese used.
[19:35:37] <Loetmichel> i dount that pom gears will loose any teeh
[19:35:50] <andypugh> Rawhide would work too.
[19:36:00] <Loetmichel> smear off maybe, but not break as the ones in original
[19:36:07] <andypugh> I know a car with a rawhide gear on the end of the crank.
[19:36:21] <Loetmichel> rawhide?
[19:36:33] <Loetmichel> jeans + resin?
[19:36:37] <Tom_itx> bull
[19:37:12] <andypugh> Blimey! http://www.leathergears.com/about_us.html
[19:38:42] <Tom_itx> where are they used?
[19:39:01] <andypugh> "Applications include punch presses, forging hammers, turning drums for tanneries, cable winches in mining operations, merry-go-rounds and hundreds of other applications requiring the unique properties that only rawhide gears can deliver."
[19:39:32] <andypugh> They run very quietly
[19:40:25] <skunkworks> archivist, does anything ever come of this? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SNf8qqplENU
[19:40:27] <Tecan> (SNf8qqplENU) "YouTube CNC cutting of a 29 tooth Helical gear using EMC2" by "mai mai" is "People" - Length: 0:02:28
[19:41:15] <Loetmichel> seriously? gears made of leather?!?
[19:41:26] <Tom_itx> water buffalo
[19:42:07] <Loetmichel> 100%?
[19:42:27] <Tom_itx> The gears are riveted under hydraulic pressure with thick durable brass flanges on both sides
[19:42:27] <Loetmichel> or like the linnen in phenolics?
[19:42:55] <Loetmichel> and for which use are these?
[19:43:13] <Tom_itx> andy just told you
[19:44:02] <andypugh> I think the brass flanges are non-loadbearing.
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[19:44:22] <archivist> skunkworks, I complain/send feedback each time I see a rippoff
[19:44:40] <andypugh> And yes, they are made from a stack of leather, riveted together. No resin or binder.
[19:44:42] <skunkworks> there are a quite a few
[19:45:25] <skunkworks> http://www.youtube.com/results?search_sort=video_date_uploaded&search_type=videos&search_query=emc2+29+tooth
[19:45:34] <Tom_itx> i'm guessing they would usually be fairly large gears
[19:45:35] <archivist> I see only 5 views so probably a spam attempts, google never tells me what it has done about it
[19:46:03] <Loetmichel> ah, i see
[19:46:06] <Loetmichel> ok...
[19:47:24] <skunkworks> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mach1mach2cnc/message/140198
[19:47:59] <Aero-Tec> hello
[19:48:23] <Aero-Tec> need help with hal file edit
[19:55:26] <ssi> skunkworks: what on earth are they gaining from that?
[19:55:38] <skunkworks> no clue
[19:57:57] <ssi> ok I gotta select a power transformer for my servo drives
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[20:01:19] <Connor> Gaining from what ?
[20:01:50] <skunkworks> Connor, http://www.youtube.com/results?search_sort=video_date_uploaded&search_type=videos&search_query=emc2+29+tooth
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[20:01:59] <skunkworks> that is archivist video
[20:03:12] <Connor> Oh. They're spamming his video with crap in the comments? WTF ?
[20:03:32] <Loetmichel> hmm, i dont want to lessen archivists achivement.. but is it possible that the flycutter was less than "SHARP"?
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[20:03:50] <Loetmichel> seeing the buch of swarf stuck at the end of the teeth
[20:04:11] <Connor> Probably due to the type of plastic..
[20:04:40] <Loetmichel> Connor: that would be POM or PE from the looks of it
[20:05:11] <Loetmichel> BOTH CAN be cut without fringes
[20:05:21] <Loetmichel> with a razor sharp tool
[20:05:26] <Loetmichel> been there, done that
[20:06:13] <Loetmichel> and like i said: i dont want to lessen the video, great programming for the helical gear
[20:06:27] <Loetmichel> (nd grinding of the flycutter)
[20:07:26] <Aero-Tec> is there some way to find out more info on Hal programming?
[20:07:44] <Aero-Tec> I need to edit a file and have no cle as to how hel work
[20:07:49] <Aero-Tec> clue
[20:08:24] <Aero-Tec> some of it I understand
[20:08:51] <Aero-Tec> but the routing of signals and such are beyond me
[20:09:18] <Aero-Tec> I can get pins connected, sort of
[20:10:42] <Aero-Tec> is there a good source of info to understand how and why hal works?
[20:11:47] <andypugh> It's simpler than it looks.
[20:11:57] <Aero-Tec> I hope so
[20:12:18] <Aero-Tec> if I could understand the working it should be simple to do
[20:12:35] <andypugh> The first thing after a "net" command is the signal name. The same signal name can appear on many HAL file lines.
[20:13:04] <andypugh> You can choose the signal names freely. But they can't be the same as an existing pin name.
[20:13:25] <andypugh> Also on any net line can be one or more pin names. These pins get connected to the signal.
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[20:13:52] <andypugh> Only one of the pins can be an output. That one sets the value of the signal. All the other pins in the net recieve that value.
[20:14:27] <andypugh> Pins are created when you loadrt a HAL function.
[20:14:46] <andypugh> Pins are updated when you addf the HAL function to a thread.
[20:15:19] <andypugh> (they update at the rate of the thread they are added to, and in the sequence that they were added to the thread in)
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[20:15:43] <andypugh> And that's it.
[20:16:11] <Connor> andypugh: Don't forget.. some pins can only take IN stuff.. others only output.. and yet others are both ways.. right /
[20:16:12] <Connor> ?
[20:16:27] <andypugh> I already mentioned that.
[20:16:51] <Connor> sorry.. skipped over it I guess.
[20:17:14] <Aero-Tec> so what does this line say?
[20:17:16] <Aero-Tec> net spindle-cmd <= motion.spindle-speed-out => pwmgen.0.value
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[20:18:18] <Connor> takes the speed from motion.spindle-speed.out and sends that value to the pwmgen
[20:18:47] <andypugh> It creates a signal called "spindle-cmd" (if it does not already exist) and connects motion.spindle-speed-out to it (which is an output). It then connects pwmgen.0.value to the same net (which is an input) and so the pwmgen value is set to whatever value comes out of motion.spindle-speed-out
[20:18:53] <Connor> scaled according to wht pwmgen says.
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[20:24:22] <Aero-Tec> thanks for the help
[20:24:29] <Aero-Tec> loadrt pwmgen output_type=0
[20:25:12] <Connor> that loads the real time module pwmgen
[20:25:49] <Connor> http://linuxcnc.org/docs/html/man/man9/pwmgen.9.html
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[20:28:23] <Aero-Tec> is there a simple over view of some sort that explains the basic working of hal?
[20:28:42] <Aero-Tec> something to give one a foundation to work from?
[20:28:56] <Connor> andypugh just told you.. that's pretty much it.. everything else is realtime modules.
[20:30:15] <Connor> now, what would be cool is.. if someone could come up with a GUI that let you drop those RT modules onto a work space.. and set the parameters and link the networks up visually..
[20:30:35] <andypugh> There have been several attmmpts.
[20:30:59] <Aero-Tec> is there a vid to watch?
[20:31:22] <Aero-Tec> also scaling
[20:31:45] <andypugh> Aero-Tec: Have a look here, scroll down to "Realtime components and kernel modules" and look at the man pages. Start with motion, halui and iocontrol.
[20:31:48] <andypugh> http://www.linuxcnc.org/docs/html/
[20:33:04] <andypugh> Connor: http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?Eagle2HAL
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[20:35:46] <GammaX-Shop> Ok got my mill up and running good
[20:35:52] <Connor> andypugh: Interesting...
[20:36:09] <GammaX-Shop> er32 collet system is 2.5 thousands off though... well... the bit is atleast
[20:36:16] <andypugh> There was also something called crapahalic, don't know how far that got.
[20:36:45] <GammaX-Shop> the actual collet is .5
[20:37:05] <GammaX-Shop> could just be shape of the end mill or the collet clamp....
[20:37:30] <andypugh> Connor: And GEDA: http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?HalSchematicsUsingGschem
[20:39:53] <andypugh> Connor: https://sites.google.com/site/manisbutareed/visualizing-emc2-configurations
[20:42:09] <Connor> Interesting...
[20:46:54] <Aero-Tec> how long does it take to learn hal?
[20:48:14] <Aero-Tec> looks to be a big and involved thing
[20:48:53] <Aero-Tec> lots of things with lots of options and connections
[20:52:29] <Connor> Aero-Tec: Typically.. you choose a specific task.. and figure out how to make hal do that.. then go from there..
[20:54:32] <JT-Shop> Aero-Tec: about 5 minutes per command
[20:54:53] <JT-Shop> lets see net, setp, unlinkp
[20:55:08] <JT-Shop> and loadrt, loadusr
[20:55:11] <frallzor> or JT-Shop teaches you!
[20:55:16] <JT-Shop> LOL
[20:55:18] <Aero-Tec> all I want to do is add a single phase encoder to the index one I have all ready
[20:55:28] <frallzor> I prefer the JT-way
[20:55:36] <Aero-Tec> JT-Shop lol
[20:55:40] <andypugh> So, first look at the encoder manpage
[20:55:52] <Aero-Tec> looks like lots of commands
[20:55:53] <JT-Shop> I like the andypugh way
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[20:56:09] <Connor> http://www.linuxcnc.org/docs/2.4/html/examples_spindle.html
[20:56:12] <andypugh> http://www.linuxcnc.org/docs/html/man/man9/encoder.9.html
[20:56:36] <andypugh> There you can see that the encoder function takes a num_chan parameter.
[20:56:52] <Connor> Aero-Tec: You trying to setup for threading ? or tapping ?
[20:57:02] <andypugh> So, in your HAL, change loadrt encoder num_chan=1 to num_chan=2
[20:57:20] <andypugh> Then, as you appear to want counter-mode
[20:57:32] <Aero-Tec> Connor: threading
[20:57:37] <andypugh> setp encoder.1.counter-mode 1
[20:57:49] <Connor> you only need index with threading.
[20:58:11] <andypugh> Ah, wait, this is your index + 20 slots?
[20:58:30] <Aero-Tec> that was what I was making, yes
[20:58:47] <Connor> When I set my mill up.. I just used a index pulse.. and forgot about A or B..
[20:58:49] <Aero-Tec> I had a index only and was told I needed more
[20:58:56] <Connor> Not for threading..
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[20:59:11] <andypugh> In that case you only need the one encoder counter you already have, but you need to net the index pin to encoder.0.phase-Z and the slots to encoder.0.phase-A
[20:59:22] <Connor> Yup.
[20:59:22] <andypugh> And setp encoder.0.counter-mode 1
[20:59:25] <Connor> That's what I did.
[20:59:41] <andypugh> It's better with more.
[21:00:30] <andypugh> In either case, maje sure you are using position-intepolated.
[21:01:15] <Aero-Tec> so now that I have the lather all tore apart and the design done for the encoder and the new opto ready, should I finish the job and redo hal or just go back to where I was before, put everything togather like it was?
[21:01:22] <Aero-Tec> lath
[21:01:27] <Aero-Tec> lathe
[21:01:59] <Aero-Tec> I just need to single point thread right now
[21:02:31] <Aero-Tec> later I will add a good encoder and update for ridged threading in the lathe
[21:03:30] <andypugh> Finish the job, you ought to get better threads.
[21:03:52] <andypugh> (with one more opto your new encoder can do quadrature)
[21:04:08] <Aero-Tec> do I need to scale the encoder/ counter?
[21:04:30] <andypugh> Yes, you need to setp encoder.0.scale
[21:04:53] <andypugh> Have you actually read the manpage I gave you the link to?
[21:05:11] <Aero-Tec> so in I have 20 ppr then scale would be 1/20?
[21:05:20] <andypugh> No, 20.
[21:05:54] <andypugh> (If you add the third opto, and turn counter-mode off, then it will be 80)
[21:06:22] <Aero-Tec> yes, but feeling like info over load
[21:06:38] <andypugh> You only need to pay any attention to the parts you expect to use.
[21:07:07] <Aero-Tec> the thing is I have no idea that that is right now
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[21:07:43] <Aero-Tec> I do not have enough info yet to know what I need to use and how to use it
[21:08:48] <Aero-Tec> I was going to use a unused gear on the lathe and set up the magnet sensor type encoder
[21:09:12] <Aero-Tec> I do not have them here yet and need to get thins threading done ASAP
[21:09:33] <Aero-Tec> so I am adding the opto and updating the encoder
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[21:12:22] <Aero-Tec> looks like the sample page will be of a great help
[21:12:35] <Aero-Tec> give a road map to that I need
[21:12:59] <Aero-Tec> in fact one example is ecactly what I need
[21:13:46] <DJ9DJ> good nite
[21:13:47] <Aero-Tec> now to figure out how to undo the old and redo the new
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[21:15:28] <Aero-Tec> does the position of the commands matter?
[21:15:45] <Aero-Tec> I would guess the order does for some things
[21:16:17] <Aero-Tec> but do some things need to be grouped together for any reason other then looks?
[21:16:51] <Aero-Tec> is there any timing loops or other things one needs to look for?
[21:17:49] <Aero-Tec> BTW thanks for the help on this, I would be here a very long time trying to work this out on my own
[21:18:24] <andypugh> The commands can be pretty much in any order, thought the pins won't exist until the loadrt. And also bear in mind that the functions execute in the oder they are addf-ed
[21:21:04] <Aero-Tec> in the example the pins are added at the very end, that makes no sense, how can one work with the pins if they are not created yet?
[21:21:19] <Aero-Tec> net spindle-phase-a <= parport.0.pin-10-in
[21:21:19] <Aero-Tec> net spindle-index <= parport.0.pin-11-in
[21:21:26] <Aero-Tec> the last 2 lines
[21:21:51] <Aero-Tec> I am very confused
[21:21:58] <andypugh> The _pins_ are created by _loadrt_
[21:22:38] <andypugh> The _signals_ are created by the net command.
[21:23:04] <Aero-Tec> there is only one loadrt line
[21:23:07] <Aero-Tec> loadrt encoder num_chan=1
[21:23:12] <Aero-Tec> the first line
[21:23:20] <andypugh> So, the pins in those statements are created by loadrt hal_parport.
[21:23:22] <Aero-Tec> but 2 encoders
[21:23:36] <andypugh> Do you _have_ two encoders?
[21:23:50] <Aero-Tec> 2 optos
[21:23:57] <andypugh> You only need one encoder.
[21:24:06] <andypugh> Each encoder has three channels
[21:24:10] <Aero-Tec> guess it could be one encoder with index
[21:24:17] <Aero-Tec> ok
[21:24:27] <Aero-Tec> now I am getting it
[21:24:33] <andypugh> Yes, you want to set up one eoncoder with A and Z, set to counter mode
[21:24:43] <Aero-Tec> thought index was seprate
[21:25:05] <Aero-Tec> cool
[21:25:12] <Aero-Tec> love to learn new stuff
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[21:25:29] <andypugh> I think the point you may be missing is that there can be (and often are) multiple HAL files, and any components and signals in the first HAL file can be used in the second, and so on. The pins and signals exist in HAL, not in the file.
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[21:26:22] <andypugh> The HAL file is read through once, and only once, when the config is loaded. It sets up the nets and threads in HAL, and is never looked at again.
[21:27:12] <Aero-Tec> cool
[21:27:48] <Aero-Tec> so <=> is by directional signal?
[21:28:16] <Aero-Tec> => is out and <= is in?
[21:28:37] <andypugh> The => <= and <=> do absolutely nothing at all. They are just a clue to human readers.
[21:28:52] <Aero-Tec> lol
[21:28:55] <andypugh> I tend to leave them out.
[21:29:35] <andypugh> When they are put in, they try to show the direction of data flow, from output pin into signal or input pin.
[21:30:25] <Aero-Tec> wow, lots to learn
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[21:32:21] <Nick001-Shop> <andypugh>where does the control=1 to switch stepgen to velocity control go ?
[21:33:54] <andypugh> loadrt stepgen step_type=0,0,0 control_type=p,p,v http://www.linuxcnc.org/docs/html/man/man9/stepgen.9.html
[21:35:19] <Aero-Tec> thought when you only used one phase you had to do some sort of counter command to switch it to a simple counter
[21:35:45] <andypugh> Yes, setp encoder.0.counter-mode 1
[21:35:58] <Aero-Tec> the only thing with counter in it is
[21:36:02] <Aero-Tec> addf encoder.update-counters base-thread
[21:36:13] <Aero-Tec> in the sample
[21:36:46] <Aero-Tec> sample had only one pset, and that was scale
[21:37:03] <Aero-Tec> Hardware assumptions:
[21:37:03] <Aero-Tec> An encoder is connected to the spindle and puts out 100 pulses per revolution on phase A
[21:37:03] <Aero-Tec> The encoder A phase is connected to the parallel port pin 10
[21:37:04] <Aero-Tec> The encoder index pulse is connected to the parallel port pin 11
[21:37:04] <Aero-Tec> Basic Steps to add the components and configure them:
[21:37:04] <Aero-Tec> loadrt encoder num_chan=1
[21:37:04] <Aero-Tec> addf encoder.update-counters base-thread
[21:37:04] <Aero-Tec> addf encoder.capture-position servo-thread
[21:37:05] <Aero-Tec> setp encoder.0.position-scale 100
[21:37:05] <Aero-Tec> net spindle-position encoder.0.position => motion.spindle-revs
[21:37:06] <Aero-Tec> net spindle-velocity encoder.0.velocity => motion.spindle-speed-in
[21:37:06] <Aero-Tec> net spindle-index-enable encoder.0.index-enable <=> motion.spindle-index-enable
[21:37:07] <Aero-Tec> net spindle-phase-a encoder.0.phase-A
[21:37:07] <Aero-Tec> net spindle-phase-b encoder.0.phase-B
[21:37:16] <andypugh> That's got two phases.
[21:37:54] <Aero-Tec> the hardware assumption is only one phase connected
[21:38:28] <Aero-Tec> Hardware assumptions:
[21:38:28] <Aero-Tec> An encoder is connected to the spindle and puts out 100 pulses per revolution on phase A
[21:38:28] <Aero-Tec> The encoder A phase is connected to the parallel port pin 10
[21:38:28] <Aero-Tec> The encoder index pulse is connected to the parallel port pin 11
[21:38:31] <Aero-Tec> An encoder is connected to the spindle and puts out 100 pulses per revolution on phase A
[21:38:57] <Aero-Tec> oops
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[21:39:28] <r00t4rd3d> wow n1
[21:39:28] <Aero-Tec> is this example wrong?
[21:39:29] <andypugh> Well, yes, but the HAL clearly mentions a phase-b
[21:40:12] <Aero-Tec> true, but B is not connected
[21:40:32] <Aero-Tec> only A and Z
[21:40:34] <andypugh> Old docs http://www.linuxcnc.org/docs/2.5/html/examples/spindle.html
[21:40:40] <GammaX-Shop> nyone usin modbus?
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[21:40:51] <andypugh> That one ^ has the setp counter-mode
[21:42:45] <Nick001-Shop> stepgen step_type=0,0,0 - would this change with A/B/I glass scale?
[21:43:48] <andypugh> I don't see how you can use a stepgen with a glass scale..
[21:44:07] <cradek> some people think they want stepgen in velocity mode in that case
[21:44:52] <Aero-Tec> so how does one know when your looking at old/ wrong info?
[21:45:01] <cradek> with careful tuning and full understanding of the limitations it might even work
[21:45:15] <Nick001-Shop> I thought that's what I needed to have steppers with glass scales or encoders
[21:45:18] <Aero-Tec> I would have been going crazy trying to get that to work right
[21:46:02] <Nick001-Shop> I have a 7i52S thats supposed to do that
[21:47:46] <Aero-Tec> so to change this hal to a full encoder with all 3 phases working all I would do is rem out
[21:47:48] <Aero-Tec> setp encoder.3.counter-mode true
[21:48:06] <Aero-Tec> and add the pin info for phase B
[21:48:12] <Aero-Tec> right?
[21:50:20] <andypugh> Aero-Tec: If you look in the URL and it says /2.4/ then it is old docs.
[21:50:35] <andypugh> And yes, that is exactly all you need.
[21:51:05] <andypugh> Oh, and you need to make the scale 80, as a full-quadrature encoder has 4 transitions per slot.
[21:52:03] <andypugh> (and, for the cost of one more opto mounted N-and-a-quarter slots away from the first, you can have quadrature with your new encoder)
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[21:54:09] <andypugh> Aero-Tec: This was my setup to get quadrature from a gear in the head of my milling machine, with index from a key-slot: https://picasaweb.google.com/108164504656404380542/CNCUnsorted#5771820725064038930
[21:55:28] <andypugh> And this is what happens when you have a mental abberation and place one sensor N-and-a-half teeth away: https://picasaweb.google.com/108164504656404380542/20120730#5771089940270301554 That doesn't work at all.
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[22:02:39] <generic_nick|2> sweet got my stuff from mouser for my spindle encoder
[22:02:40] <GammaX-Shop> For some reason I am not able to install a file using the comp command
[22:02:50] <GammaX-Shop> generic,which way did u go?
[22:03:34] <GammaX-Shop> the program comp can be found in the folowing packages... but I installed one of them and still nutin..
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[22:05:17] <Aero-Tec> https://plus.google.com/photos/108164504656404380542/albums/5747722155741347649/5771820725064038930?banner=pwa
[22:05:21] <Aero-Tec> right?
[22:07:04] <Aero-Tec> https://plus.google.com/photos/108164504656404380542/albums/5747722155741347649/5771820725064038930?banner=pwa
[22:07:12] <Aero-Tec> ?
[22:07:16] <Aero-Tec> andypugh: the first link went to this
[22:07:21] <Aero-Tec> https://plus.google.com/photos/108164504656404380542/albums/5747722155741347649/5771820725064038930?banner=pwa
[22:09:16] <andypugh> I don't know what is going on there. I haven't been able to get to the old picasaweb interface for months, and suddently that is where I ended up.
[22:09:46] <andypugh> The link I wanted was https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/wE4cF0uBYu-pY5vFeuI00tMTjNZETYmyPJy0liipFm0?feat=directlink
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[22:11:10] <Aero-Tec> very simler to what I want to do
[22:11:18] <Aero-Tec> same sensor
[22:13:06] <ssi> not sure how much shenanigan I want to get up to tonigh
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[22:14:40] <GammaX-Shop> its wednesday sii... im sure its not going to be much! lol
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[22:15:08] <GammaX-Shop> andypugh: I am not able to use the comp command, has that been taken out?
[22:17:17] <GammaX-Shop> ahhh im getting error but its a wierd one
[22:17:24] <ssi> it's not that
[22:17:30] <ssi> I am leaving for california in the morning
[22:17:38] <ssi> I want to work on the machine, but I ought to pack and rest
[22:17:39] <ssi> heh
[22:18:02] <GammaX-Shop> cali, nice. im heading to florida in the pm
[22:18:23] <ssi> stop by my place on the way and fix my hnc
[22:18:42] <GammaX-Shop> trying to overwrite '/usr/share/man/man1/comp.1.gz', which is also in package nmh 0
[22:19:04] <generic_nick|2> hmm samba wont install properly
[22:19:26] <generic_nick|2> anyone else have issues with that lately?
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[22:22:54] <andypugh> GammaX-Shop: That's a fun one.
[22:23:21] <andypugh> Sounds like you are trying to comp the comp hal function :-)
[22:23:29] <GammaX-Shop> andypugh: I fixed that by removing nmh.... I installed linuxcnc-dev.
[22:23:56] <andypugh> (comp is both a component compiler, and a component. This might not be sensible)
[22:23:56] <GammaX-Shop> and now Im getting something even wierder.
[22:24:11] <GammaX-Shop> value error: need more than 1 value to unpack.
[22:24:50] <Tom_itx> would it be worthwhile to save the encoder wheels removed from abs brake hubs?
[22:25:37] <generic_nick|2> dangit, i cant install samba!
[22:26:06] <GammaX-Shop> how much resolution on the whels
[22:26:44] <Tom_itx> i didn't count but i'd guess 25-30 teeth
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[22:27:57] <generic_nick|2> it says unable to open files list file libblas3gf
[22:29:31] <GammaX-Shop> tom could be good for a spindle encoder...
[22:30:03] <Tom_itx> i'd have to find some hall sensors though
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[22:31:57] <GammaX-Shop> Tom_itx: photo microsensor
[22:32:47] <Tom_itx> it won't do me any good until i can get a better spindle control
[22:32:52] <Tom_itx> fwd/rev
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[22:36:54] <GammaX-Shop> Tom_itx: get vfd for 100 bucks..
[22:37:10] <Tom_itx> for a sherline dc motor
[22:38:27] <GammaX-Shop> ohhhh
[22:38:37] <ssi> anyone have any experience with plasma torches arcing above the retaining cap?
[22:38:45] <ssi> it's melting the torch handle :/
[22:41:53] <Tom_itx> may go see if i can pull them off then
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[22:44:56] <JT-Shop> ssi: try posting on the plasma forum on the zone, there are some really sharp guys that hang there
[22:45:32] <ssi> yea like jim colt :P
[22:45:41] <JT-Shop> that's him
[22:46:10] <ssi> I have a t45v hand torch that's mounted in an aluminum moun
[22:46:18] <ssi> and I think it is arcing to the mount
[22:46:21] <ssi> catches the plastic handle on fire
[22:46:23] <ssi> :(
[22:46:29] <JT-Shop> yuck
[22:46:36] <ssi> I have a replacement handle coming
[22:46:40] <ssi> as well as a shielded cap
[22:46:41] <JT-Shop> can you insulate it?
[22:46:46] <ssi> maybe
[22:47:08] <ssi> I should get some thick phenolic sheet and remake the mount out of phenolic
[22:48:05] <ssi> 2x1/4" strips are $9 for 48" lenght
[22:48:07] <ssi> that's not bad
[22:49:03] <ssi> so I just got my third off-lease dell in 3 weeks for linuxcnc machines
[22:49:10] <ssi> an optiplex 745 this time
[22:49:15] <ssi> and the latency numbers are very good
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[22:49:53] <ssi> 20us base thread max jitter, 61us servo thread
[22:49:57] <ssi> and it's rock solid there...
[22:50:18] <ssi> the optiplex 320 I was disappointed with... has an occasional 250us spike
[22:50:37] <GammaX-Shop> generic_nick| what kind of spindle encoder did u get?
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[22:58:53] <GammaX-Shop|2> jthornton: you around?
[22:58:55] <t12> i love optiplex 7xx's
[23:01:45] <GammaX-Shop|2> god im having major issues with the comp command
[23:03:58] <ssi> t12: yea the machines I bought the last couple days were a 755, a 320, and a 745
[23:04:02] <ssi> the 7x5s have been rock solid
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[23:04:50] <Tom_itx> how do you monitor for latency spikes?
[23:04:58] <ssi> just watching the latency test
[23:05:06] <ssi> for awhile
[23:05:15] <Tom_itx> that's like watching paint dry
[23:05:20] <ssi> :)
[23:05:39] <ssi> I like a little excitement in my life
[23:06:34] <t12> adn they're cheap
[23:06:34] <andypugh> Tom_itx: http://www.linuxcnc.org/docs/devel/html/man/man9/latencybins.9.html
[23:06:38] <t12> 755's are like 50-100 bux
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[23:09:07] <Tom_itx> seems to be a function for nearly everything
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[23:10:15] <andypugh> Tom_itx: Well, any time we find somethign there isn't a function for, we write one.
[23:11:19] <GammaX-Shop|2> I need a function to help me install a .comp file!
[23:11:40] <GammaX-Shop|2> andypugh: mind taking a look at this? http://www.wallacecompany.com/machine_shop/LinuxCNC/Modbus/
[23:11:43] <andypugh> Are you using sudo comp --install?
[23:11:54] <GammaX-Shop|2> yup. while already in su
[23:12:10] <GammaX-Shop|2> im trying to get sj200_mbbasic.comp to install
[23:13:14] <andypugh> And what error message do you get?
[23:13:39] <GammaX-Shop|2> traceback ( most recent call last):
[23:14:17] <GammaX-Shop|2> File "usr/bin/com". line 1335, in <module> main ()
[23:15:08] <GammaX-Shop|2> then the same for line 1304, in main process, 1178 in process, 411 in parse and finally it tells me valueError: need more than 1 value to unpack
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[23:16:21] <andypugh> It compiles for me, but I get halcmd: <stdin>:1: execv(sj200mbbasic.comp): No such file or directory
[23:17:01] <Tom_itx> what are they written in? C?
[23:17:04] <r00t4rd3d> http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=d8a_1368583050
[23:17:08] <andypugh> comp
[23:18:03] <GammaX-Shop|2> andypugh: so what are you thinkin?
[23:18:40] <andypugh> Dunno, I don't do much with userspace components.
[23:18:55] <andypugh> Can you compile a simple realtime component?
[23:19:09] <GammaX-Shop|2> no idea
[23:19:13] <GammaX-Shop|2> have a link to some code?
[23:20:09] <andypugh> ddt here is about as simple as it gets: http://www.linuxcnc.org/docs/html/hal/comp.html
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[23:23:08] <Tom_itx> how hard would it be to add a 'pause/resume' to the timer function?
[23:23:46] <Tom_itx> so it would pause at a M1 or M0 and resume after it started running again
[23:28:02] <GammaX-Shop|2> andypugh: is it mandatory to place that file in a certain directory?
[23:28:26] <andypugh> Probably not too hard, it would just need a link into program.is-paused (if that pin exists)
[23:28:40] <andypugh> GammaX-Shop|2: No.
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[23:29:10] <Tom_itx> well if i ever venture into comp i may try it but it will likely be a while
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[23:35:11] <generic_nick|2> ok i made 2 different boot disks and this thing wont boot the startup disk
[23:35:19] <generic_nick|2> just says boot error
[23:36:55] <generic_nick|2> since its a usb drive, and with all the issues i had with my usb keyboard, i am thinking the mobo is toast
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[23:38:04] <andypugh> Not all motherboards can boot from USB, and some can, but only on certain ports.
[23:40:56] <generic_nick|2> i booted it from usb when i first built the machine
[23:42:13] <andypugh> kind of fun: http://producten.hema.nl (just load the page and wait, don't click anything)
[23:42:38] <generic_nick|2> its a d510mo
[23:43:01] <andypugh> Ah, well, the D510MO only claims to be boot-capable on one of the ports.
[23:43:56] <andypugh> Header 6 is "front panel USB with flash drive support"
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[23:48:31] <GammaX-Shop|2> miust be an old pc!
[23:48:50] <GammaX-Shop|2> andypugh: im not figuringit out to be honest
[23:49:20] <GammaX-Shop|2> i had a diff sj200.c file that I tired comping and got diff errors aswell....
[23:50:28] <andypugh> Does ddt.comp compile?
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[23:51:42] <generic_nick|2> i just swapped the mobo for a d525
[23:52:00] <generic_nick|2> i always got realtime delay errors with that mobo anyways
[23:52:14] <generic_nick|2> screw it, ill use it for a htpc or something
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[23:58:34] <GammaX-Shop|2> andypugh: uhhh
[23:58:34] <GammaX-Shop|2> not realy
[23:59:25] <GammaX-Shop|2> wait
[23:59:25] <GammaX-Shop|2> it did
[23:59:34] <GammaX-Shop|2> I created c from the comp