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[00:27:54] <generic_nick|2> thanks JT-Shop-2
[00:27:55] <Aero-Tec> if the lathe works for feed per rev, would it be setup for threading?
[00:28:02] <generic_nick|2> might be a bit of a drive lol
[00:28:21] <generic_nick|2> not neccesarily Aero-Tec
[00:28:37] <generic_nick|2> you can do feed/rev without a spindle encoder
[00:28:38] <Aero-Tec> The pins motion.spindle-at-speed and the encoder.n.phase-Z for the spindle must be connected in your HAL file before G76 will work. See the Integrators Manual for more information on spindle synchronized motion.
[00:28:51] <Aero-Tec> how do I make sure this is set up?
[00:29:00] <generic_nick|2> do you have a spindle encoder?
[00:29:07] <Aero-Tec> is there a quick test?
[00:29:28] <generic_nick|2> i dunno, look for one? lol
[00:29:29] <Aero-Tec> one pulse per rev encoder
[00:29:55] <Aero-Tec> so it is index and encoder
[00:29:58] <generic_nick|2> i think you need more than 1 pulse per rev to actually thread
[00:30:14] <Aero-Tec> hope that is not true
[00:30:37] <Aero-Tec> with have a ton of work to do
[00:30:44] <Aero-Tec> will
[00:31:12] <generic_nick|2> i may be wrong, but i cant imagine the threads will be all that hot with 1 pulse per rev. maybe one of the smart guys will chime in
[00:32:32] <ssi> I was hoping I wouldn't have to rebuild these belt drives :/
[00:32:53] <Aero-Tec> will find a threading example and try it I guess
[00:35:43] <generic_nick|2> just got my mill stripped the rest of the way. down to the base now. hopefully my cherry picker will hold together long enough to get it on my friend's trailer.
[00:37:02] <gabewillen> So can rt_mutex_give only be used from realtime modules?
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[00:45:57] <PetefromTn> fabbin' an L-bracket for the braking resistor to mount right now....
[00:46:08] <r00t4rd3d> what are those round metal connectors people use to connect motors wires?
[00:46:53] <PetefromTn> I used Microphone connectors on my RF45...
[00:47:43] <PetefromTn> Just need something that locks in place and has enough conductor pins really...
[00:47:57] <r00t4rd3d> http://www.ebay.com/itm/4-Pin-XLR-Audio-M-F-Chassis-Connector-CNC-Bipolar-Stepper-Motor-Connectors-/280929733116
[00:48:07] <r00t4rd3d> them things
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[00:49:18] <PetefromTn> yup XLR is what I used. Mine looked a little nicer than those I think.
[00:50:12] <PetefromTn> https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSA7RaprFFv6LHCf_iLEfQTYBpIyepasn_3j4SUsMiKCI34MFSR9A
[00:58:57] <PetefromTn> altho the screw in style might be more secure actually
[00:59:32] <Aero-Tec> looks like the threading works
[00:59:47] <Aero-Tec> did not cut a thread but did cut air
[01:00:31] <Aero-Tec> amount per rev works and the lathe cut air, I am hoping that is all the testing needed
[01:00:51] <Aero-Tec> might cut a test thread just to make sure
[01:02:14] <Tom_itx> what's the format for displaying color in an xml file?
[01:02:29] <Tom_itx> text
[01:03:50] <Tom_itx> i see led colors in the examples
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[01:24:07] <RootB> hey linux cnc, anyone here here has PCB experience
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[01:34:28] <Tom_itx> a little
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[02:04:05] <atom1> error: postgui.hal:32: Signal 'tool-number' of type 's32' cannot add pin 'pyvcp.tool-number' of type 'u32'
[02:04:24] <atom1> i change it to <u32> in the xml and still get the error
[02:04:46] <atom1> either way: <s32> or <u32> gives that error
[02:04:51] <atom1> any ideas?
[02:09:03] <ssi> so no motion out of the G540 via the 5i25 for some reason :/
[02:09:14] <ssi> if I connect directly to the parport, stepconf test works
[02:09:39] <skunkworks> ssi: you flashed it with the correct firmware?
[02:10:05] <skunkworks> ssi: charge pump is setup correctly - or disabled on the g540?
[02:10:09] <ssi> I received it with the g540x2 firmware, and haven't screwed around with it
[02:10:14] <ssi> pinouts in dmesg are correct
[02:10:21] <ssi> charge pump not working either, but I disabled it
[02:11:15] <skunkworks> what hal and ini are you running?
[02:11:22] <ssi> custom written
[02:11:39] <ssi> I can observe the 5i25 counts and such changing when I jog in axis
[02:14:37] <skunkworks> are you sure you have the right port?
[02:15:10] <pcw_home> Reasonable step duration?
[02:15:43] <skunkworks> I have only played with a 5i25 once and it was pretty strait forward.. (custom firware to run rotex breakout board)
[02:16:36] <skunkworks> rutex
[02:17:02] <ssi> pcw_home: hm lemme check
[02:17:15] <ssi> I think I had it set at 2us step/len, 700ns dir/hold
[02:17:17] <ssi> as per a forum post I saw
[02:17:30] <pcw_home> should be pretty straight forward (you can start with the hm2-stepper config)
[02:17:52] <L84Supper> RootB: what are you trying to do? Mill pcb's?
[02:18:05] <ssi> yeah that's where it is, 2us and 700ns
[02:18:08] <ssi> I can raise them
[02:18:23] <pcw_home> 2 usec should be enough
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[02:24:42] <RootB> L84Supper
[02:24:43] <RootB> yes
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[02:27:51] <L84Supper> RootB: people here do it all the time
[02:29:01] <RootB> What software do you use
[02:29:05] <RootB> This is my first time milling a PCB
[02:29:28] <Tom_itx> eagle
[02:29:40] <Tom_itx> nd i don't mill them i have them etched
[02:29:43] <skunkworks> eagle -> gcode.ulp from the wiki..
[02:29:47] <Tom_itx> but eagle has a ulp
[02:30:47] <RootB> the siite seems to be down
[02:31:22] <RootB> there foundi t
[02:31:32] <skunkworks> website has been acting wonky for a few days
[02:32:03] <Tom_itx> is it possible memory isn't getting flushed? i renamed the net and the problem seemed to go away
[02:32:23] <Tom_itx> the <u32> vs <s32> issue
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[02:33:41] <RootB> Ok
[02:33:45] <RootB> so how do i install the .ulp?
[02:34:37] <skunkworks> RootB: are you running eagle on linux?
[02:34:42] <RootB> No
[02:34:44] <RootB> windows
[02:35:33] <Tom_itx> run it from the menu
[02:35:37] <Tom_itx> file run
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[02:35:59] <RootB> ther
[02:36:00] <skunkworks> I remember people having problems with it on windows.. (gcode.ulp) but I think you just install it in the ulp directory within eagle
[02:36:00] <Tom_itx> from the board file menu
[02:36:17] <skunkworks> then you can run 'gcode' (it has been a while)
[02:36:25] <RootB> what the hell
[02:36:27] <RootB> im getting a
[02:36:36] <RootB> cant open 'C:\settings\pcb-default.h\
[02:36:40] <RootB> no such file or directory
[02:39:59] <skunkworks> (I used eagle on linux)
[02:40:12] <skunkworks> there is a pcbgcode program...
[02:40:49] <Tom_itx> where can i find formatting for numerics for the xml display file?
[02:41:13] <RootB> what the hlel
[02:41:14] <RootB> strange
[02:41:15] <RootB> its not working
[02:41:18] <skunkworks> RootB:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pcb-gcode/
[02:41:23] <skunkworks> I have used that one also
[02:41:42] <RootB> im trying this one
[02:41:45] <RootB> but im getting a weird ass erorr
[02:41:48] <skunkworks> that one does work on the windows side.. (but I liked the gcode.ulp better)
[02:42:15] <skunkworks> RootB: you are probably on your own.. not many on here used it on windows.
[02:42:27] <skunkworks> ssi: any luck?
[02:42:45] <RootB> THERE
[02:42:47] <RootB> iim using
[02:42:54] <RootB> gcode-1.ulp from cadsoft
[02:43:57] <Valen> I use kicad ;->
[02:44:04] <Valen> and pcb2gcode
[02:44:14] <RootB> ok
[02:44:22] <RootB> So how should i configure the tabs?
[02:44:26] <RootB> I have mill-drill and cut
[02:44:35] <RootB> im using a desktop CNC with a spindle, its cheap but its gets the job done
[02:44:44] <RootB> i have Tool,Depth and Zup on the mill part.
[02:48:08] <RootB> anyone?
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[02:56:15] <RootB> hello anyone?
[02:57:27] <r00t4rd3d> 10-4 big buddy, back to you over - over.
[02:57:51] <L84Supper> cq cq cq dx ?
[02:59:04] <jdh> what was the question?
[02:59:50] <r00t4rd3d> how to make tabs with some obscure gcode generator
[03:00:04] <jdh> like hold down tabs?
[03:00:29] <r00t4rd3d> no clue
[03:00:38] <jdh> or, tabs on the ULP?
[03:00:57] <r00t4rd3d> RootB nows your chance
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[03:08:07] <RootB> what
[03:08:12] <RootB> im here
[03:08:13] <RootB> r00t4rd3d
[03:08:16] <RootB> im trying to make something
[03:08:23] <RootB> for my CNC machine in this ulb
[03:08:27] <RootB> http://www.cuteminds.com/index.php/en/gcode1
[03:09:01] <jdh> wow, that look much easier than the one I tried.
[03:09:31] <RootB> i dont know what to do on it thou
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[03:11:02] <jdh> get a simple schematic, run it through there, see what happens.
[03:11:08] <RootB> i got a g-code
[03:11:13] <RootB> i have no available computers
[03:11:17] <RootB> to connect my CNC right now
[03:11:37] <jdh> then I have know idea what you are asking.
[03:12:41] <Tom_itx> or why
[03:13:18] <jdh> yeah, well... that too.
[03:13:27] <jdh> you want someone to run your gcode?
[03:14:10] <ssi> skunkworks: not yet
[03:14:21] <ssi> pcw_home: crazy question... is the DB25 on card P2 or P3?
[03:14:36] <ssi> cause I wonder if the stepgens might just be attached to the wrong pins
[03:15:08] <jdh> did you read page 4 of the manual?
[03:15:22] <ssi> looking at it now
[03:15:25] <ssi> and I guess that's not it
[03:16:05] <jdh> The default is to disable the pull-ups To enable the built-in pull-ups,
[03:16:06] <jdh> (the default condition) jumper W4 should be placed in the UP position
[03:16:31] <jdh> so, what is the default?
[03:16:49] <ssi> eh?
[03:17:30] <pcw_home> First stepgens are on P3
[03:17:51] <pcw_home> (DB25)
[03:17:55] <ssi> right
[03:17:57] <ssi> just checking
[03:18:08] <ssi> I don't have a scope down here, but I have a meter with a freq counter
[03:18:11] <ssi> and it aint wiggling :(
[03:18:30] <pcw_home> try the hm2-stepper hal file
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[03:20:45] <ssi> ok so it works
[03:20:46] <ssi> rub it in ;)
[03:21:34] <a1cypher> Hey folks. I'm just starting to use emc2 after having used Mach3. One question I had is that every time I exit emc2 and start it back up again, it looses its "home". If I look at the DRO the coordinates seem to be correct, but theres a but it wont let me touch off because it has the axes set as unhomed. Any ideas how I can just tell it that the current coords are correct and to set it as homed ?
[03:22:06] <jdh> you can disable the homing requirement
[03:22:27] <a1cypher> Is that in the .ini file somewheres ?
[03:23:39] <jdh> yeah, there is a nice section in teh docs about limits and homing, but I don't see them offhand
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[03:24:00] <a1cypher> is it this per chance?
http://www.linuxcnc.org/docs/2.4/html/config_ini_homing.html
[03:24:22] <jdh> looks good to me.
[03:24:45] <nathanstenzel> anyone have opinions on the qu bd rapid prototyping machine which is supposed to do 3d printing and milling of even steel?
[03:24:48] <a1cypher> My "homing" doesnt seem to work right now anyways. When I click home it just sets the axis to 0, so to home I have to manually drive it into the limit switch, then back off and set home.
[03:25:13] <jdh> if you start at the top with the home configs, you should be able to get it to work.
[03:25:27] <jdh> but, I thought there was an option to just not force homing
[03:26:02] <jdh> NO_FORCE_HOMING = 1
[03:26:22] <jdh> goes in the [TRAJ] section
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[03:26:52] <a1cypher> but I can still home if I want, right.
[03:26:55] <jdh> probably better to make your homing work
[03:27:38] <a1cypher> well, I will do that too, but what I want is to be able to shutdown and then start up again and pick up where I left off without screwing up the machine coords.
[03:27:48] <jdh> steppers?
[03:27:51] <a1cypher> yeah.
[03:28:05] <jdh> you will probably move to the nearest whole step
[03:28:56] <jdh> but a normal home switch is probably less accurate than being off 1 step
[03:29:07] <Tom_itx> a1cypher,
http://www.gnipsel.com/linuxcnc/g-code/index.html
[03:29:21] <Tom_itx> look at tool touchoff and fixture offsets
[03:29:28] <a1cypher> k.. will do
[03:29:33] <Tom_itx> or the whole thing
[03:29:33] <r00t4rd3d> a1cypher, i do what you want all the time
[03:29:43] <r00t4rd3d> shut down and start later with no homing switches
[03:30:03] <a1cypher> r00t4rd3d: do you do that by setting NO_FORCE_HOMING ?
[03:30:09] <r00t4rd3d> yeah
[03:30:24] <a1cypher> I think for most of what I do, I dont care if its off by 1 step.
[03:30:34] <r00t4rd3d> i only cut wood
[03:31:15] <jdh> http://www.linuxcnc.org/docs/devel/html/config/ini_config.html
[03:31:20] <jdh> has all the ini options
[03:31:25] <a1cypher> 1 step on my machine I think will work out to be like 1/4 mil or something like that.
[03:32:38] <a1cypher> yeah, I think thats the option I want. I dont care about the soft limits anyways since I have limit switches.
[03:32:43] <r00t4rd3d> you can use the MDI tab and enter g28 x0
[03:32:55] <r00t4rd3d> or g28 y0 to send the axis back to where you started
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[03:33:31] <jdh> you can?
[03:33:44] <r00t4rd3d> yeah
[03:33:49] <jdh> after you store them
[03:34:06] <ssi> if you have limit switches, why not just set them up as home switches and home the machine?
[03:34:24] <r00t4rd3d> i dont use any switches
[03:34:43] <jdh> I have no_force_home on one of mine, it complains if I don't home (axis exceeds limit)
[03:34:54] <a1cypher> ssi: I will, but my limit switches are less accurate than my stepper. So by rehoming I may no longer be completely aligned with my work that has been partially done.
[03:35:38] <ssi> aha
[03:35:48] <a1cypher> I will have to experiment to see if I rehome if it can return to the exact same spot every time.
[03:35:57] <ssi> yea on my small lathe i've thought about adding encoders to the steppers just for the home on index feature
[03:35:59] <a1cypher> maybe If I home really slow for the last bit
[03:36:00] <r00t4rd3d> sometimes when setting my z height i will press my bit into the wood a touch to make a indent so I know where I started
[03:36:39] <a1cypher> the z height is the main thing I dont want to loose. I use engraving bits and I have to carefully set the height exactly. If I re-home I may loose that offset
[03:37:03] <a1cypher> especially when milling PCBs and then the z-height may need to be ~0.5mil accurate
[03:37:05] <r00t4rd3d> make a touch off plate
[03:37:21] <a1cypher> probably a good idea
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[03:37:56] <r00t4rd3d> you can buy them on ebay too
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[03:38:19] <r00t4rd3d> http://www.ebay.com/itm/CNC-mill-or-router-Tool-Height-setting-Touch-Off-Plate-NOW-Includes-Mach-Script-/330767002406?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item4d033feb26
[03:38:23] <a1cypher> Another question, is it possible to reprogram keyboard shortcuts in emc?
[03:38:49] <a1cypher> wuts the cover for? just to keep it from getting dirty ?
[03:39:52] <r00t4rd3d> i guess
[03:40:03] <a1cypher> I have a gravis gamepad that I built a USB controller for. It sends keyboard shortcuts for driving around my mill, but the shortcuts I programmed were for Mach3. Id like to set mach3 to use the same
[03:40:06] <chopper791> JT- I am using your sheetcam post and when I generate a piece of code and try loading it into linuxcnc I receive an error about unable to open file <touchoff> Any clue why it would be doing this? I have the touchoff.ngc in my NC files folder does it need to be placed someplace else?
[03:40:41] <a1cypher> Also, are there any decent OS cam options? Currently Ive been playing a bit with heekscnc
[03:42:04] <jdh> is it calling a sub touchoff?
[03:42:35] <chopper791> I know its calling the sub but for some reason it can not open it.
[03:42:46] <jdh> http://www.linuxcnc.org/docs/devel/html/config/ini_config.html
[03:42:58] <jdh> read the [RS274NGC] Section?
[03:44:13] <chopper791> damn I forgot about that ..... :-(
[03:44:16] <chopper791> Thanks
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[03:44:46] <chopper791> Right after I looked at it I remembered what I did before.
[03:45:05] <r00t4rd3d> a1cypher, I use qjoypad, allows you to map a joystick to keystrokes
[03:47:46] <r00t4rd3d> all the free cam programs are garbage
[03:47:58] <r00t4rd3d> aww he left
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[03:48:51] <ssi> I got one of these but I haven't tried it yet
[03:48:52] <ssi> http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1651082654/jog-it-open-source-controller-pendant-for-emc2-and
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[03:54:51] <chopper791> jdh-I thought that looked right but after doing it the same thing happens.
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[04:06:49] <chopper791> http://pastebin.com/nd65YVLW
[04:07:03] <chopper791> Line14
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[04:08:39] <ssi> hoo boy I'm gonna have to fight this same battle here soon chopper :)
[04:09:07] <chopper791> its not fun for me anyway. I tend to make things harder then they need to be i guess
[04:09:09] <chopper791> lol
[04:09:41] <ssi> yeah I do that too
[04:09:53] <chopper791> I have done so many configs for mills and routers, but plasma = beer
[04:09:58] <chopper791> lots of it
[04:10:10] <ssi> yeah
[04:10:17] <ssi> I had this table running under mach 3 years ago
[04:10:23] <ssi> but I never really got it dialed in right
[04:10:34] <chopper791> once I get a piece of code I can test with then I will be able to tell if I have this config correct
[04:10:40] <ssi> (sorry the 3 belongs to the years in that case, not the mach)
[04:10:50] <ssi> (ssi is good at words)
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[04:11:10] <chopper791> ssi-I am greet with wordz
[04:11:15] <chopper791> also
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[04:11:29] <chopper791> typing is my specialty
[04:11:41] <ssi> it's after midnight already... that's depressing
[04:11:51] <ssi> I guess I'll trot back downstairs and try my modified config
[04:11:54] <ssi> brb
[04:11:54] <chopper791> 11:11 here
[04:13:25] <ssi> back
[04:13:29] <ssi> lets see what we've got
[04:14:37] <nathanstenzel> can anyone suggest gear that could print and mill? or would it be better to have 2 machines?
[04:15:15] <ssi> 2 machinen
[04:15:26] <chopper791> I have went through the entire 5i20 config that comes with linuxcnc and I see no reference to the subroutine there. This makes me think that the sub is in the post processor. Just can not open the file for some reason
[04:15:38] <chopper791> nathan-2 machines for sure
[04:15:56] <chopper791> two different ends of the spectrum
[04:15:56] <ssi> wow dead nuts on X
[04:15:58] <ssi> that's rare
[04:18:35] <ssi> oooo and chargepump works
[04:18:35] <chopper791> cant argue with that ssi
[04:18:37] <ssi> fancypants
[04:18:41] <chopper791> lol
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[04:18:46] <chopper791> whats the project
[04:18:52] <ssi> plasma table :)
[04:19:04] <chopper791> go figure ;-)
[04:19:36] <chopper791> my x and y are spot on also, but thc to control z = not so much right now
[04:22:05] <ssi> weird, I get follow errors if I try to run too fast
[04:22:32] <chopper791> I had to change my timing to correct that
[04:22:39] <chopper791> 1700ipm
[04:22:42] <ssi> what are you using for drivers?
[04:22:58] <chopper791> probostep unipolar drivers
[04:23:07] <chopper791> 3amp
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[04:23:54] <chopper791> If I increase my microstepping I will get following errors but at 1/4 step its fine
[04:25:13] <ssi> I'm using a G540, which is fixed at 10x
[04:25:24] <ssi> I've got it jogging 600ipm now
[04:25:29] <ssi> had to turn the accel down
[04:25:34] <ssi> what kind of accel can you run?
[04:25:41] <chopper791> yeah that accel is killer
[04:26:03] <Gamma-x> Hola
[04:26:06] <Gamma-x> hombres
[04:26:26] <chopper791> 5.0 on accel
[04:26:31] <chopper791> hola
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[04:26:55] <Gamma-x> I got my belt drive kit in today, spun the motor up to 60hz and one of the crappy bearings in it started to smoke lol
[04:27:05] <ssi> 5 is pretty slow
[04:27:06] <Valen> lol
[04:27:14] <chopper791> yeah for now
[04:27:16] <ssi> I'm at 20 and it's slower than I'd like
[04:27:23] <pcw_home> If you get following errors you probably are violating timing (step time step space stepgen maxvel stepgen maxaccel)
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[04:27:43] <chopper791> interesting as my table is very snappy
[04:28:20] <pcw_home> stepgen maxaccel needs to be about 25% more than machine maxaccel
[04:28:45] <Gamma-x> im getting stepper errors.... as in ... they wont move just buzz realy loudly...
[04:29:05] <chopper791> pcw-yeah I have noticed that and have been messing around with different percentages and taking notes on the results. Why is it like that?
[04:29:59] <ssi> pcw_home: yea that helps a lot
[04:30:03] <ssi> at 1200ipm and 40i/s/s now
[04:30:13] <chopper791> Gamma if they dont move and they just buzz like that then make sure your steps/unit are correct and turn down the accel and velocity a bit
[04:30:26] <ssi> that,s worlds faster than mach could ever run it
[04:30:31] <chopper791> It sounds like your setting are a bit off for your machine setup
[04:30:57] <Gamma-x> chopper791, it can happen with low vel and accel... steps/unit? you mean steps per rev? its set at 200 as there 1.8 degree motors.
[04:31:08] <chopper791> I cant stand mach. 90% of my tech calls are for mach issues
[04:31:32] <chopper791> What step mode are you in gamma?
[04:31:45] <ssi> there's 1800ipm
[04:31:50] <Gamma-x> the driver I have is a leadshine ma860h
[04:31:58] <chopper791> What kind of drive system ssi?
[04:32:11] <Gamma-x> setting for 4 i believe on the driver and .5 in linuxcnc
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[04:32:24] <ssi> and 60i/s/s
[04:32:26] <chopper791> Gamma- what step mode do you have the drivers set i
[04:32:29] <ssi> chopper791: rack and pinion
[04:32:39] <ssi> 280oz steppers driving a 1" pinion through a 3:1 reduction
[04:32:39] <chopper791> nice-ssi...... gearing?
[04:33:24] <chopper791> Gamma if you are set for 400 pulses on the driver then you are in half step. Are you at 400 pulses?
[04:33:47] <ssi> aw nuts... so my pseudo-slaved Y almost works... the motors run the same direction.. they need to be backward to each other
[04:33:53] <ssi> can I do thta by rewiring the motor?
[04:34:04] <Gamma-x> chopper791, driver is set at microstepping of 2
[04:34:14] <chopper791> Are you slaved on outputs ssi?
[04:34:17] <pcw_home> invert the direction bit
[04:34:28] <ssi> pcw_home: oh on the stepgen?
[04:34:29] <ssi> awesome
[04:34:43] <chopper791> so you are using the A port for your slave ssi?
[04:34:46] <pcw_home> on the appropriate GPIO
[04:35:14] <ssi> pcw_home: I don't follow exactly
[04:35:23] <ssi> you mean the gpio that would be stepgen 3's dir pin?
[04:35:33] <pcw_home> yep
[04:35:36] <chopper791> Gamma if your setting is at two on the driver then you are in full step correct?
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[04:35:58] <chopper791> 200 pulses?
[04:36:03] <ssi> [15565.979155] hm2/hm2_5i25.0: IO Pin 012 (P3-09): StepGen #3, pin Direction (Output)
[04:36:11] <ssi> I can just invert gpio 012?
[04:36:25] <Gamma-x> chopper791,
http://leadshineusa.com/Product_Show.aspx?ID=123
[04:37:02] <pcw_home> Yes you setp the invert_output attribute
[04:37:04] <chopper791> Yeah your in 1/2 step
[04:37:07] <chopper791> gamma
[04:37:16] <Gamma-x> yeah
[04:37:27] <ssi> neat
[04:37:28] <ssi> works
[04:37:35] <chopper791> Gamma are you using lead screws?
[04:37:43] <Gamma-x> chopper791, ball
[04:37:48] <chopper791> whats the TPI
[04:37:55] <Gamma-x> 5
[04:38:03] <chopper791> mm or inch
[04:38:11] <Gamma-x> its actually like 5.01 or something...
[04:38:12] <Gamma-x> inches
[04:39:37] <chopper791> so take 200 (steps per revolution on motor) x 2 (1/2 step on driver) x 5.01 (TPI of screw) = 2004 steps per unit is what your axis config screen should say at the bottom if your using step config
[04:40:26] <chopper791> In step config you will have 200 steps per revolution, 2 for the microstep mode, and 5.01 for the lead screw
[04:40:47] <Gamma-x> im pretty sure it says 1000
[04:40:56] <Gamma-x> microstep mode is .5
[04:41:03] <chopper791> Thats part of the problem then
[04:41:21] <chopper791> Change the microstep in the axis setup to 2
[04:41:28] <Gamma-x> when it is in 2 im almost certain it does not work at all..
[04:41:40] <ssi> this thing moves so fast now it's scary
[04:41:59] <Gamma-x> although i may have had accel/ up too high
[04:42:44] <chopper791> Then you have a few things going on (1) Velocity and accel are to high, (2) You have mechanical issues (3) motors and drivers are sized to small for machine.
[04:42:47] <ssi> I don't think the Y axis is quite happy at 1500ipm
[04:43:03] <chopper791> may have a few things going on I should say
[04:43:32] <Gamma-x> chopper791, plausible...
[04:43:50] <Gamma-x> thaqnks!
[04:44:08] <chopper791> Steppers have more torque in lower RPM ranges so if the problem goes away at slower speeds then it helps norrow it down
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[04:44:10] <chopper791> narrow
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[04:46:10] <chopper791> pcw or ssi- any idea on why I am having the file loading issue on the <touchoff> in the sheetcam post from JT? pcw- you may not know what im talking about since the conversation was earlier and I don't know if you were here.
[04:47:36] <chopper791> When I generate the code in sheetcam and try loading it I get the error of can not open file <touchoff> which is a subroutine file. I have the file in my NC folder and there is no reference to placing it anywhere else. Stumped on this
[04:49:33] <chopper791> I see no odd things in the gcode either
[04:50:50] <chopper791> http://pastebin.com/nd65YVLW
[04:50:53] <chopper791> Gcode
[04:51:00] <ssi> most likely answer
[04:51:10] <ssi> the post was made by someone who has a touchoff sub in their nc_files dir
[04:51:12] <ssi> and you don't
[04:51:30] <chopper791> its placed in the NC directory though
[04:51:56] <ssi> what is
[04:52:10] <ssi> the touchoff sub?
[04:53:51] <chopper791> http://pastebin.com/aHcjV9mh
[04:54:00] <mhaberler> see manual on SUBROUTINE_PATH
[04:54:47] <chopper791> mhaberler- looked over that and see nothing that would help in this. unless I am looking over something
[04:55:00] <mhaberler> try in mdi:
[04:55:07] <mhaberler> o<touchoff> call
[04:55:21] <chopper791> The original config has it nowhere either
[04:56:33] <chopper791> Same error in MDI
[04:57:15] <chopper791> sub file is named touchoff.ngc
[04:57:29] <chopper791> andis located in NC directory
[04:57:47] <mhaberler> what does SUBROUTINE_PATH say in your config
[04:58:10] <mhaberler> http://www.linuxcnc.org/docs/devel/html/config/ini_config.html#_rs274ngc_section_a_id_sub_rs274ngc_section_a
[05:00:13] <chopper791> SUBROUTINE_PATH = touchoff.ngc
[05:00:23] <mhaberler> well that is a filename, not a path
[05:00:35] <chopper791> doooh
[05:00:40] <mhaberler> a path is a list of _directories_, not filenames
[05:00:53] <ssi> technically a file can be a path too :D
[05:00:58] <ssi> but I don't think it's what he wants in this case
[05:01:02] <mhaberler> not in this case
[05:01:20] <ssi> chopper791:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AsRi7iN7yBI
[05:01:22] <Tecan> (AsRi7iN7yBI) "CNC plasma table" by "imcmahon" is "Tech" - Length: 0:00:11
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[05:01:31] <ssi> that's how the x looks at 1800ipm, 60i/s/s
[05:01:49] <chopper791> SUBROUTINE_PATH = /home/chop/emc2/nc_files
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[05:02:23] <mhaberler> well try, I dont know if thats the dir your file is in, but if so that looks more promising
[05:02:31] <chopper791> lol
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[05:03:30] <RootB> Hey linuxCNC, anyone here with PCB experience?
[05:03:46] <chopper791> Looks like a sweet setup ssi
[05:03:52] <chopper791> I did not see it run though
[05:03:53] <ssi> the mechanicals are shit
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[05:04:02] <ssi> I need to redo my belt reductions
[05:04:44] <ssi> also a larger reduction might be nice.... 0.005"/step is kinda coarse
[05:04:48] <mhaberler> chopper791: did that work now?
[05:04:52] <chopper791> mhaberler-still dont work
[05:04:54] <ssi> but I don't think I can get smaller pinions, and larger pulleys isn't ideal
[05:05:06] <mhaberler> paste error message here
[05:05:21] <mhaberler> you did restart linuxcnc?
[05:05:28] <chopper791> my toughoff.ngc is in the NC directory
[05:05:31] <chopper791> yes restarted
[05:06:14] <chopper791> all the error say is unable to open file <touchoff>
[05:07:02] <mhaberler> paste line from ini with SUBROUTINE_PATH here, and then output of 'ls -l '<the directory given>'/t*
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[05:07:34] <chopper791> works now........ I forgot to change it from emc2 to linuxcnc
[05:07:38] <mhaberler> aha
[05:07:49] <chopper791> Yeah I feel stupid now
[05:07:59] <ssi> easy mistake to make
[05:08:06] <mhaberler> you hit the right directory, it's a whole new experience ;)
[05:08:15] <chopper791> Thanks,now its time to see if the config works right
[05:08:16] <mhaberler> ok, cu
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[05:10:43] <ssi> I want to get my plasma table back running, and then use it to build a better table :P
[05:11:50] <pcw_home> nite all
[05:13:18] <chopper791> good night
[05:14:18] <RootB> why the hell isn't PCBGCode working with eagle on windows 7?
[05:14:23] <chopper791> Well the config works but still no control over z axis
[05:14:41] <chopper791> so I guess it part way works
[05:15:27] <ssi> do you have a machine torch?
[05:16:02] <chopper791> yes
[05:16:09] <ssi> that's one thing I'd like to have
[05:17:34] <chopper791> SO if I look at hal scope the the z pos does not move when I am feeding it up and down commands
[05:17:37] <chopper791> hmmm
[05:18:56] <ssi> well i'm gonna do myself a favor and go to bed earlier than 3am :)
[05:18:58] <ssi> gnight
[05:20:14] <chopper791> good night
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[06:09:20] <Loetmichel> mornin
[06:23:08] <Valen> what unit is latency test measured in?
[06:23:37] <archivist> ns iirc
[06:25:30] <Valen> yes
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[06:46:45] <chopper791> Anybody on?
[06:48:16] <Gamma-x> me
[06:50:30] <archivist> in irc ask the real questions
[06:51:23] <chopper791> Need some help with an input signal. I need to invert the my parport.1.pin-10-in as its seeing the signal reversed for some reason.I have tried using an invert but startup errors out and says parport.1.10-in is not found
[06:51:29] <Gamma-x> anyone know the correct terminology for the tormach draw bar pneumatic cylinders?
[06:51:53] <chopper791> Sorry I figured I would see if anybody was on before I started typing.
[06:51:58] <Gamma-x> chopper791, what is pin 10?
[06:52:50] <chopper791> pin 10 is my arc ok input pin. The thc moves my z axis when the arc is ok and keep does not move it when the arc is not ok
[06:53:24] <Gamma-x> arc? keep?
[06:53:30] <Gamma-x> dunno those terms
[06:53:38] <chopper791> I have used a -not on the pin and it shows the same results so I figure I would have to invert the signal like a spindle
[06:53:45] <chopper791> arc = plasma arc ok
[06:54:26] <chopper791> keep was not supposed to be there
[06:54:45] <Gamma-x> ohhh
[06:55:54] <chopper791> The issue is if I use a parport.1.pin10-in-invert 1 I receive an error on start up saying parport.1.pin10-in is not found
[06:56:16] <Gamma-x> is it grounded?
[06:56:28] <archivist> use the right name
[06:56:42] <chopper791> what name is that archivist
[06:56:55] <archivist> or create it by using an invert comp (not)
[06:57:40] <chopper791> Not following you on that. Please explain
[06:58:18] <chopper791> setp parport.1.pin-10-in-invert 1 should this invert the signal?
[07:01:17] <Valen> you should just mix negative logic into your code
[07:01:24] <Valen> just to keep you on your toes later on
[07:03:02] <chopper791> Please forgive me but Im kinda new to this
[07:03:25] <Valen> chopper791, don't do what I said, I was being sarcastic ;->
[07:03:37] <chopper791> fair enough
[07:03:54] <chopper791> ;-)
[07:04:36] <chopper791> Am I even able to invert this input signal?
[07:05:26] <archivist> yes
[07:05:52] <chopper791> Does it seem like this is what I need to do before I go at it?
[07:05:53] <archivist> the key word is not which is an inversion
[07:10:11] <chopper791> SO if I was to invert this signal and using setp parport.1.pin-10-in-invert 1 does not do it then how would you suggest go about doing this task?
[07:11:47] <archivist> http://linuxcnc.org/docs/html/hal/components.html#_logic_and_bitwise_components_a_id_sec_realtime_components_logic_a
[07:12:44] <archivist> or you look at the component pins and choose the right name if it has one
[07:13:28] <chopper791> net thc-arc-ok thcud.arc-ok <= motion.digital-in-00 <= parport.1.pin-10-in-not
[07:13:45] <chopper791> using a not or not using a not does not work. Is this what you mean?
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[07:15:02] <chopper791> I know that pin 10 is there as my thc uses it fine. Its the logic I guess I would say is reversed.
[07:16:21] <chopper791> When ARC is OK the THC does not move the Z axis, when ARC is not OK the thc will move the z axis
[07:16:41] <archivist> if that is what you want
[07:17:11] <chopper791> sorry when ARC is ok the thc will move the z axis and when the ARC is not OK the thc will not move the z axis
[07:17:39] <RootB> ok linuxCNC
[07:17:42] <chopper791> this should be reversed
[07:17:48] <RootB> im having plenty of trouble with PCBG-Code
[07:20:03] <archivist> chopper79, parport.1.pin-10-in-not is the inverse of parport.1.pin-10-in it is why I have been pointing you at the NOT keyword
[07:20:55] <chopper791> This does not work though
[07:21:04] <chopper791> This was the first thing I tried
[07:21:20] <chopper791> Next was using an invert
[07:21:43] <archivist> not IS and inversion how many times do I have to say that
[07:22:32] <chopper791> Well just once as have used NOT many times before and this time it does not work for me.
[07:23:15] <chopper791> Like I said using a NOT was the first thing I tried and had no results
[07:24:02] <archivist> "does not work" is not a proper statement of a problem, people need a better explanation of the fault
[07:24:38] <chopper791> so how should I explain it then?
[07:29:16] <chopper791> regardless, if I use a NOT or leave NOT out the signal still never inverts.
[07:29:29] <archivist> you could pastebin your hal and ini files, or you could do some diagnosis as to why things are not happening as you expect
[07:30:01] <archivist> not does invert prove it
[07:30:29] <archivist> use halscope
[07:30:51] <archivist> and a real scope on the wire
[07:31:21] <archivist> this is the diagnosis part
[07:32:40] <archivist> do you have a pull up resister to make sure the signal goes high
[07:32:56] <chopper791> I am not denying that the signal does not invert as halscope shows that. The issue is regardless if I use NOT or leave it out, the function of the THC remains the same. I have been diagnosing this issue and now I am seeking help as to why the issue remains after trying multiple different approaches.
[07:33:38] <chopper791> I thought about a pull up resistor but wanted to try without one first.
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[07:34:51] <chopper791> I figured that if the signal is working, but just in reverse that I should be bale to do a simple invert and correct it. I guess I am wrong on this.
[07:35:28] <chopper791> The pull resistor up does make sense though so I will give it a shot
[07:36:21] <RootB> Hey linuxCNC
[07:36:26] <RootB> Could you help me out with milling my first PCB?
[07:36:30] <RootB> I can't seem to be able to.
[07:36:59] <archivist> RootB, we are not seeing questions we can answer yet
[07:38:39] <RootB> I really don't have an idea how to set up the coordinates, depth gap and all that
[07:39:09] <archivist> experiment and learn
[07:39:34] <archivist> and it is tooling related too
[07:56:48] <RootB> I'm using V-shaped endbits
[07:56:55] <RootB> But i can't seem to get the depthness right.
[07:56:58] <RootB> If i put too much
[07:57:02] <RootB> It pierces thru the cooper
[07:57:11] <RootB> if i put it just touching the copper, it doesnt even scratch!
[07:59:28] <Gamma-x> with a stepper that is rated for 5 amps.... which of these numbers would you use? Ref Current (Screen printing)
[07:59:28] <Gamma-x>
[07:59:28] <Gamma-x> Peak Current
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[08:03:19] <ReadError> RootB
[08:03:38] <ReadError> what i do is, use a DMM with with an alligator clip
[08:03:42] <ReadError> clip 1 to the endmill
[08:03:47] <ReadError> put the other lead on the copper
[08:03:57] <ReadError> then go down in 0.001 increments
[08:04:08] <ReadError> until i get continuity, set that as Z=0
[08:07:25] <RootB> A digital multimeter
[08:07:28] <RootB> ?
[08:07:55] <RootB> ReadError
[08:08:02] <RootB> The problem is, i don't know how to make the g-code properly
[08:08:06] <RootB> I have no god damn idea
[08:08:10] <RootB> what's going on with all the things
[08:11:38] <ReadError> you using eagle?
[08:11:53] <RootB> yes
[08:12:00] <ReadError> using the pcb-gcode thing?
[08:12:12] <chopper791> Well, after a 24hr straight run on this config its time for bed. archivist, thanks for the help. I will give a pull up a try tomorrow.
[08:12:20] <chopper791> good night all
[08:12:24] <RootB> The PCB-GCode thing doesn't work on my eagle god knows why.
[08:12:28] <RootB> GN
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[08:13:52] <RootB> im using eagle 5.0.0
[08:15:39] <archivist> doesn't work is not a helpful statement
[08:15:53] <RootB> well
[08:15:55] <RootB> i get a weird error
[08:15:56] <RootB> that says
[08:17:10] <RootB> Unable to open the include file 'source/drill_sizes.h'
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[08:17:33] <archivist> so diagnose that error
[08:18:07] <RootB> mmm
[08:18:10] <RootB> well i have no idea man.
[08:18:18] <RootB> I tried everything and it doesnt work
[08:18:30] <RootB> i copied the files, reinstalled it, etc.
[08:18:31] <RootB> nothing
[08:19:05] <Valen> does a file called source/drilletc exist?
[08:19:17] <RootB> Yes
[08:20:01] <ReadError> oh yea
[08:20:04] <ReadError> i think i got that error
[08:20:07] <ReadError> or something similar
[08:20:10] <RootB> really?
[08:20:11] <ReadError> theres some work around...
[08:20:12] <RootB> how did you fixed it
[08:20:14] <ReadError> did you google it?
[08:20:16] <ReadError> no idea tbh
[08:20:18] <RootB> yes
[08:20:18] <RootB> nothing
[08:20:30] <ReadError> sounds like a path issue
[08:20:38] <ReadError> can you search for the missing file?
[08:21:19] <archivist> or permissions
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[08:24:22] <RootB> Ok
[08:24:25] <RootB> It just opened, but...
[08:24:38] <RootB> there's no flavour of g-code for me to use
[08:24:42] <RootB> no profiles
[08:25:21] <archivist> and what does that programs manual tell you to do
[08:25:34] <RootB> mmm nothing.. there's no manual
[08:31:29] <ReadError> RootB: theres a tab to select the output type
[08:31:36] <ReadError> 3rd tab or something when you run the setup
[08:31:58] <RootB> I'm getting nothing on my setup, readerror.
[08:32:01] <RootB> just a blank white box
[08:32:05] <RootB> and the rest of the babble
[08:32:21] <ReadError> did you type 'run pcb-gcode-setup' ?
[08:33:24] <RootB> yes
[08:33:33] <RootB> i have nothing
[08:33:36] <RootB> on the gcode style thing
[08:33:47] <RootB> file author description and a blank box
[08:40:56] <RootB> anyone?
[08:42:32] <ReadError> screenshots would help
[08:43:43] <RootB> http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/94/captureahm.png/
[08:47:19] <RootB> so?
[08:47:59] <ReadError> looks like a path issue
[08:48:25] <RootB> any idea how to solve it?
[08:53:16] <RootB> now im getting can't open 'C:/settings/pcb-defaults.h'
[08:53:18] <RootB> what the fuck
[08:55:14] <RootB> There
[08:55:15] <RootB> Working
[08:59:39] <RootB> wait it's not working properly
[08:59:43] <RootB> what the hell is up with this damn software
[08:59:44] <RootB> jesus fuck
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[09:10:00] <ReadError> did you move the files into your eagle directory?
[09:10:07] <ReadError> then load it at the main menu
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[09:11:42] <RootB> yep
[09:11:46] <RootB> to ULP
[09:11:52] <RootB> and then i loaded it at the main program
[09:12:03] <RootB> im even thinking on placing the entire thing on the ULC
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[09:13:33] <RootB> This is really confusing
[09:13:37] <RootB> No matter what i try, it doesnt work.
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[09:21:50] <RootB> anyone?
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[09:23:55] <Valen> you may be better off finding an eagle room
[09:24:12] <RootB> this is CNC
[09:24:17] <RootB> and you guys probably mill PCBs
[09:24:19] <Valen> no, its CAM
[09:24:23] <Valen> and its a problem with eagle
[09:24:38] <Valen> if you are having a problem running linuxCnC this is the place to come
[09:24:46] <RootB> oh well
[09:24:56] <Valen> I'm not trying to be harsh
[09:25:12] <Valen> I'm just saying that the problems you are having may be better addressed there
[09:25:21] <archivist> your problems are windows and path based, not something we use a lot in here
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[09:29:26] <DJ9DJ> moin
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[10:17:25] <carper64_lb> morning gents
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[13:22:57] <gabewillen> Can only realtime modules use rtapi_mutex_get?
[13:24:40] <cradek> man rtapi_mutex
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[13:29:22] <gabewillen> wow slap in my face
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[13:29:26] <gabewillen> lol
[13:29:28] <gabewillen> should of known better
[13:29:49] <gabewillen> i man, rtapi, and hal, but not that
[13:29:53] <cradek> it's not a slap, it's a clear and concise pointer to the information you need :-)
[13:29:54] <gabewillen> thank you
[13:29:59] <cradek> anytime
[13:30:11] <gabewillen> no not by you, just i feel like an idiot, its clear as day written in there
[13:30:31] <cradek> probably rtapi_mutex_get should be a symlink to rtapi_mutex, but it isn't
[13:30:49] <cradek> because it took me two tries to find the manpage
[13:30:56] <cradek> bbl
[13:32:24] <gabewillen> the reason i ask is that i have wrapped liblinuxcnchal using python ctypes
[13:32:40] <gabewillen> im working on a halgui, but im writing a python version of halcmd
[13:33:06] <gabewillen> i can use every function thus far, and objdump shows rtapi_mutex but i can't access it from that library
[13:33:10] <cradek> hm, are you sure that wasn't already done?
[13:33:44] <gabewillen> well there is _hal.so, but its not wrapping every part of hal
[13:34:02] <cradek> ah, maybe that's what I was thinking of
[13:34:18] <gabewillen> its works great for what gvcp requires
[13:34:32] <gabewillen> but using ctypes is a better approach as far as keeping up with changes
[13:34:51] <gabewillen> much easier than rewriting c code if hal_lib where to change
[13:36:28] <gabewillen> i have almost all the functions working, but, i can load modules, it checks if your using a pre-compiled version of linuxcnc or a devel version. rips the environment for you if your using a dev version
[13:37:44] <gabewillen> i can get the base hal_data struct. But im basing this mostly off of halcmd, and i can't seem to access the rtapi_mutex calls
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[13:48:24] <skunkworks> lok andy
[13:48:27] <skunkworks> *lol
[13:58:13] <archivist> hehe I just read it
[14:05:13] <skunkworks> sad but true though...
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[14:06:08] <r00t4rd3d> Error: Context Not Found.
[14:08:00] <skunkworks> cnc thiis...
http://lacrosse.craigslist.org/bfs/3758895761.html
[14:08:14] <skunkworks> r00t4rd3d, mailing list
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[14:09:16] <skunkworks> if he was selling it for <200 I might be interested.. Cool stout machine
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[14:09:48] <r00t4rd3d> the whole thing needs to be sand blasted and then some
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[14:14:25] <ssi> hrm
[14:15:00] <r00t4rd3d> http://watertown.craigslist.org/tls/3750778266.html
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[14:17:51] <skunkworks> ssi, get it figured out?
[14:17:56] <ssi> skunkworks: yea more or less
[14:18:03] <ssi> I got X/Y jogging at least
[14:18:10] <skunkworks> what was the issue?
[14:18:14] <ssi> not sure
[14:18:19] <ssi> I just started over with the hm2-stepper config
[14:18:30] <ssi> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AsRi7iN7yBI
[14:18:32] <ssi> 1800ipm :P
[14:19:37] <JT-Shop> be seeing some sparks soon from the revived plasma table
[14:19:43] <ssi> I sure hope so
[14:19:53] <ssi> I kinda want to rebuild the belt drives
[14:19:54] <r00t4rd3d> skunkworks, cnc this
[14:19:55] <r00t4rd3d> http://watertown.craigslist.org/tls/3744568791.html
[14:19:58] <ssi> belt reductions rather
[14:20:00] <ssi> they sorta suck
[14:20:42] <ssi> for whatever reason, I didn't slot the motor holes, so there's an idler in a slot for belt tension
[14:20:45] <ssi> and it doesn't hold
[14:20:53] <ssi> I need to go back and slot the motor holes and order shorter belts
[14:21:31] <skunkworks> well.. We are planing on cnc'ing this..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2fUcCoj7APQ
[14:21:31] <Tecan> (2fUcCoj7APQ) "drilling.AVI" by "samcoinc" is "Tech" - Length: 0:00:28
[14:23:20] <jdh> in my experience, anything that is slotted will end up being mounted at one end of the slot.
[14:23:51] <r00t4rd3d> wow that looks like a finger eater
[14:24:31] * skunkworks counts to 10.. No issue yet...
[14:24:52] <ssi> jdh: yeah that's about the size of it
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[14:31:29] <L84Supper> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zedsBIXKaZI I come across these old turret lathes all the time, for the price of scrap or free if you can just get it out of here
[14:31:29] <Tecan> (zedsBIXKaZI) "#4 Warner Swasey Turret Lathe operation from IndustrialMachinery.com" by "industrialmachinery" is "Tech" - Length: 0:02:39
[14:33:30] <L84Supper> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S1g5-BD3a2s usually this size model
[14:33:30] <Tecan> (S1g5-BD3a2s) "#4 Warner Swasey Ram Type Turret Lathe" by "MohawkMachinery" is "Tech" - Length: 0:04:27
[14:34:46] <ssi> L84Supper: where?
[14:36:15] <ssi> that's a cool machine
[14:36:30] <L84Supper> Chicago, Milwaukee, Madison area
[14:36:45] <ssi> wonder how hard it is to get tooling for them
[14:36:53] <ssi> those toolholders don't look real common
[14:36:57] <skunkworks> L84Supper, where are you?
[14:37:04] <L84Supper> http://www.ebay.com/itm/WARNER-SWASEY-No-3-Ram-Type-Turret-Lathe-1968-EXC-well-tooled-/140916360030
[14:37:32] <L84Supper> skunkworks: Chicago or China, depending on when you ask
[14:37:39] <skunkworks> heh
[14:37:48] <skunkworks> I am near LaCrosse
[14:39:11] <L84Supper> ssi:
http://chicago.craigslist.org/nwc/tls/3739953507.html W&S # 4 collet pads - Huge assortment, over 80 pad sets
[14:40:02] <ssi> heh nice
[14:40:11] <ssi> tbh the last thing I need is another lathe
[14:40:21] <ssi> I have three lathes, two of them are cnc and only 1 manual mill :(
[14:40:23] <archivist> very badly place levers on that beast
[14:41:06] <L84Supper> Warner & Swasey Company was in Cleveland, probably explains why there are so many of them still around here
[14:43:29] <jdh> http://www.bidspotter.com/forms/staticitem.php?photo=16194087&gallery=21046
[14:43:36] <jdh> how would one transport that?
[14:43:53] <L84Supper> archivist: did you see they guy reaching between the levers in the video?
[14:44:24] <archivist> L84Supper, yes terrible lever placement
[14:44:43] <archivist> about the worst I have seen on any machine
[14:45:23] <L84Supper> jdh: take the cabinets off and it will fit into a pickup
[14:46:27] <L84Supper> I came across one 2 years ago that still had accessories in the original factory wax paper bags from the 50's
[14:47:19] <ssi> jdh: I moved my clausing 12x36 on a tilt-bed rental trailer
[14:47:33] <jdh> ssi: how did you get it off the trailer?
[14:47:37] <archivist> L84Supper, and did you see where his head was when adjusting the cross travel lever
[14:48:08] <ssi> jdh: it has a pair of wood skids bolted lengthwise to the bottom of the cabinets
[14:48:14] <ssi> and we put it on pipes and rolled it
[14:49:09] <Loetmichel> the good old (ancien) egyptian way?
[14:49:14] <Loetmichel> +t
[14:49:19] <ssi> yep
[14:49:23] <ssi> I've moved a lot of machines like that
[14:49:30] <ssi> it sucks, but it works :)
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[14:49:38] <ssi> I moved my 9x42 mill that way
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[14:49:45] <ssi> but I had to take the table off it and flip the head over to get it through a door
[14:49:48] <ssi> hahah
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[14:57:28] <L84Supper> archivist: would you rather be an operator of that lathe or have to couple these cars
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yv_FXesGVzU
[15:08:12] <Gamma-x> anyone have a tormach unit?
[15:08:46] <Gamma-x> im interested in getting specs on the belleville washers they use on there power drawbar kit.
[15:12:51] <Aero-Tec> I need to change owner of a file
[15:13:00] <Aero-Tec> I tried su user
[15:13:10] <Aero-Tec> that did not work
[15:13:45] <Aero-Tec> the owner is root, my ID is in the root group
[15:14:31] <ssi> who was it that has the plasma table with the cncrouterparts rack and pinion stuff
[15:14:34] <ssi> ReadError?
[15:15:25] <Aero-Tec> do you have to use sudo with some command?
[15:15:30] <pcw_home> sudo chown user filename or
[15:15:32] <pcw_home> sudo chown user:group filename
[15:15:43] <ssi> sudo make me a sandwich
[15:15:50] <Aero-Tec> lol
[15:15:56] <ssi> http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/sandwich.png
[15:16:20] <Aero-Tec> wish it would, I could use one right about now
[15:17:25] <Aero-Tec> you would have to be in the dir or use the full path to the file for that to work, right?
[15:17:31] <ssi> yes
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[15:43:40] <Aero-Tec> wow thanks for the help, that little sudo and change owner sure has help me fix a ton of problems
[15:44:54] <Aero-Tec> when I make a file using my windows box the owner is nobody, funny thing is owner nobody trumps the admin and root group user
[15:45:44] <Aero-Tec> any way to set owner nobody so admin user can edit the file?
[15:46:47] <Aero-Tec> also I see there are at least 2 way to name a variable, not sure what will work with the latest version
[15:47:20] <Aero-Tec> what is the simplest and quick way to declare a variable and name it
[15:48:23] <Aero-Tec> like dia for setting the stock size on a lathe
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[15:53:58] <r00t4rd3d> lets say i order 2 separate orders from the same company, i get charged shipping for both orders but they ship them in the same box. Should I get my shipping cost back for 1 order?
[15:55:33] <Aero-Tec> possibly part of it, would depend on size of box and weight
[15:55:58] <r00t4rd3d> flat rate box so size or weight made no difference
[15:57:24] <Aero-Tec> if the 2 small shipping orders size and weight when added together equal what the shipping would be on a larger and heavier box then probably not
[15:57:36] <Aero-Tec> ok then for sure yae
[15:57:44] <Aero-Tec> ask for a refund
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[15:58:00] <Aero-Tec> I wish we had that here in canada
[15:58:13] <Aero-Tec> shipping up here is nuts
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[15:59:17] <Aero-Tec> up here Canada post in a private company
[15:59:28] <Aero-Tec> and they like to rip us off
[16:00:30] <Aero-Tec> the gal at the desk says bend over when it time to pay the bill, and lube is extra
[16:00:32] <Aero-Tec> lol
[16:05:08] <jdh> USPS is also a private company
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[16:11:44] <Aero-Tec> my browser froze for a bit
[16:11:56] <Aero-Tec> did I miss anything?
[16:12:05] <archivist> no
[16:12:12] <Aero-Tec> got that usps is also private
[16:12:18] <Aero-Tec> cool
[16:12:23] <archivist> use a real irc client
[16:12:29] <jdh> we were waiting for you.
[16:12:35] <Aero-Tec> lol
[16:12:42] <Aero-Tec> thanks guys
[16:12:52] <Aero-Tec> what a great bunch of guys
[16:12:54] <Aero-Tec> lol
[16:13:16] * archivist likes being waited on, and demands cake
[16:13:25] <Aero-Tec> what IRC client should I use?
[16:13:40] <archivist> I use xchat
[16:13:45] <jdh> I like ircII-Epic, but I've been using it for 15 years
[16:15:05] <Aero-Tec> looks like I may have mIRC
[16:15:13] <Aero-Tec> not sure how good it is
[16:15:30] <jdh> it's ok, if you like windows.
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[16:16:36] <cradek> > It is an easy way to sink a fair bit of money into a pile of junk to end up with a computer-controlled pile of junk.
[16:19:22] <Aero-Tec> so what windows IRC client should I be getting, free ones would be good
[16:20:51] <jdh> I like my computer-controlled piles of junk.
[16:20:59] <Connor> cradek: What is ?
[16:21:15] <Aero-Tec> guess I should search source forge
[16:21:25] <jdh> or google
[16:22:13] <GammaX> what type of steel is tool holders for lathes usually made out of?
[16:22:49] <jdh> I need to go to the post office and mail some junky dive gear that I would never use to some guy that will be quite happy to have it.
[16:22:58] <GammaX> example
http://www.ebay.com/itm/3-position-Gang-tool-Haas-Cubic-OmniTurn-SNK-/280422199561?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item414a773109
[16:24:37] <Aero-Tec> what is the best way to name a variable in Gcode for linuxCNC?
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[16:29:32] <JT-Shop> what ever makes sense to you...
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[16:32:09] <Aero-Tec> I had seen the docs about it before, but now that I need the info I can not find the docs
[16:32:18] <Aero-Tec> frustrating
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[16:32:37] <syyl> a good variable should have a name that gives it some personality
[16:32:44] <syyl> like "hugo" or "fritz"
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[16:38:00] <Aero-Tec> lol
[16:38:38] <Aero-Tec> I was asking about the best way to declare a named variable
[16:40:32] <Aero-Tec> the syntax
[16:41:03] <JT-Shop> crap just scrapped a part
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[16:44:46] <Aero-Tec> not good
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[16:45:53] <IchGuckLive> HI all B)
[16:47:26] <IchGuckLive> tomorrow dads day milling not allowed O.O
[16:47:47] <IchGuckLive> only Beer and BBq
[16:48:00] <IchGuckLive> best day ever !
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[17:00:21] <PetefromTn> .
[17:00:39] <IchGuckLive> B)
[17:01:23] <PetefromTn> ;p
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[17:04:39] <Aero-Tec> found the info
[17:05:30] <JT-Shop> it was my only extra one and on the next to last op... I better not screw any up on the broach
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[17:14:56] <Loetmichel> re @ home
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[17:45:14] <generic_nick|2> i hate it when that happens JT-Shop
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[17:46:27] <generic_nick|2> well, my cherry picker can lift the stripped down base of my mill. time to go borrow the trailer and load it up.
[17:46:44] <generic_nick|2> sketchy as hell, but hopefully it'll work.
[17:47:37] <generic_nick|2> gotta imagine it's 3000lbs
[17:48:08] <generic_nick|2> the ram has to be another 1000 or so
[17:49:06] <IchGuckLive> US police doesent mind if ypou overload
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[17:49:26] <IchGuckLive> see mythbusters on germen VW Jetta
[17:49:50] <generic_nick|2> i wont be overloaded on the trailer. it's a 10,000gvwr
[17:49:55] <IchGuckLive> 800lbs on load paper and 3000lbs taken
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[17:50:09] <generic_nick|2> completely legal.
[17:50:27] <IchGuckLive> so call your friends and make a BBq
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[18:05:36] <IchGuckLive> by im off
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[18:14:07] <L84Supper> pcw_home:
http://www.eetimes.com/electronics-blogs/other/4413656/London-Calling-Did-Allwinner-outsell-Intel-Qualcomm
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[18:36:10] <ssi> hm so what next
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[18:45:00] <andypugh> I wonder what that Aciera on eBay I posted to the mailing list will go for? The last one I saw (with a _full_ set of accessories, on the stand, with the wooden cases) went for $16k.
[18:46:42] <archivist> are you taking out a mortgage :)
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[18:52:04] <Schmelzer> Hallo Zusammen
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[18:53:57] <Schmelzer> Jemand online dem sich mir vll ein wenig helfen kann???
[18:54:24] <Loetmichel> Schmelzer: dont ask to ask, just ask!
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[18:54:35] <Loetmichel> oder auf deutsch: raus damit ;-)
[18:54:45] <Daywalker198454> puh doch deutsch ... ;)
[18:54:47] <cradek> Daywalker198454: can you use English?
[18:54:57] <Loetmichel> oh
[18:55:03] <Loetmichel> sorry, here is english ;-)
[18:55:06] <Daywalker198454> not perfect
[18:55:07] <Loetmichel> right
[18:55:25] <ssi> any idea how I can tell the pressure angle of a rack/pinion set?
[18:55:25] <cradek> fortunately none of us is perfect either
[18:55:32] <ssi> they've fallen out of my mcmaster history :/
[18:55:35] <Daywalker198454> ok ill try
[18:55:48] <andypugh> SSI With a protractor.
[18:56:00] <Daywalker198454> i am new on linux cnc
[18:56:23] <andypugh> ssi: In the case of a rack the pressure angle is the tooth angle. It is that simple.
[18:56:35] <Daywalker198454> i used mach3 before and thge start with linux cnc is hard...
[18:56:42] <ssi> andypugh: hm I may be able to take a picture of the rack and measure it on the computer
[18:57:45] <Daywalker198454> i have problems setting up the ini and hal for the folowing system
[18:58:34] <Daywalker198454> mitsubishi MRj2 S Step / Dir Servo´s in combination with linear scales
[18:59:03] <andypugh> Did that work with Mach?
[18:59:32] <Daywalker198454> everything is was ok...
[19:00:49] <Daywalker198454> but i want to feed the tableposition back to linuxcnc
[19:01:11] <Daywalker198454> and i dont know hoe to do
[19:01:19] <Daywalker198454> sorry how
[19:01:21] <Daywalker198454> :P
[19:02:25] <ssi> how are your scales connected to your computer?
[19:03:59] <Daywalker198454> for testing on the 2nd parport..., if everything is fine ill buy a mesa 5i20
[19:04:27] <Daywalker198454> an connect everything to the mesa
[19:04:53] <ssi> when you run linuxcnc, can you open Hal Configuration window, add the parport pins to the watch list, and see the signals changing when you move the axis?
[19:06:06] <Daywalker198454> yes... the signals come in...
[19:06:35] <ssi> look at the man page for encoder
[19:07:06] <Daywalker198454> ???
[19:07:07] <ssi> create an encoder component, add it to the servo-thread, connect signals to it, and it will output a position
[19:07:23] <ssi> connect that positiot signal to the pos-fb pin on the axis
[19:07:46] <ssi> (and actually I think that needs to be on base-thread, not servo-thread)
[19:07:50] <Daywalker198454> i am a stepconf using noob ... ;) how to connect
[19:07:52] <ssi> http://linuxcnc.org/docs/html/man/man9/encoder.9.html
[19:07:59] <ssi> you're going to have to read a bit about hal
[19:08:43] <Daywalker198454> done so many times but dont understand it right now....
[19:09:03] <Daywalker198454> what to do first.. and so on...
[19:09:20] <ssi> first, open up your hal file
[19:09:43] <Daywalker198454> ok
[19:09:46] <ssi> at the top, you should have components being loaded, like "loadrt parport" and such
[19:09:57] <Daywalker198454> ok
[19:10:16] <ssi> so you're going to load the encoder component
[19:10:22] <ssi> with the number of encoder channels you need
[19:10:28] <ssi> loadrt encoder num_chan=3
[19:10:38] <Daywalker198454> ahhh ok...
[19:10:40] <ssi> refer to the page I linked above or the man page (man encoder)
[19:10:53] <ssi> that'll create you three encoders, encoder.0, encoder.1, encoder.2
[19:11:44] <ssi> then, according to the man page, there's two functions that need to be added to threads
[19:11:57] <ssi> since you're doing software stepping, you should have a base-thread and a servo-thread
[19:12:14] <Daywalker198454> ok..
[19:12:23] <ssi> addf encoder.update-counters base-thread
[19:12:28] <ssi> that one needs to happen frequently
[19:12:38] <ssi> addf encoder.capture-position servo-thread
[19:12:44] <ssi> man page says that needs to happen less frequently
[19:12:49] <ssi> so I'm assuming that means servo thread is fine
[19:13:01] <Daywalker198454> ok
[19:13:02] <ssi> the addfs will attach those functions to the corresponding threads
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[19:13:13] <ssi> which means they'll get called when those threads run
[19:13:24] <Daywalker198454> k
[19:13:33] <ssi> then you need to connect your signals
[19:13:38] <ssi> is it an indexed encoder?
[19:13:46] <ssi> A/B/Z? or just A/B?
[19:13:57] <ssi> I'm assuming it's quadrature
[19:14:01] <Daywalker198454> yes it has indexsignal
[19:14:05] <Daywalker198454> yes
[19:14:06] <cradek> what position feedback goes to your step-servo drives?
[19:14:08] <Daywalker198454> ttl
[19:14:33] <Daywalker198454> ecoder on motorshaft
[19:14:43] <Daywalker198454> ac servo´s 750W
[19:14:48] <ssi> so you have rotary encoders on the motors, and linear encoders on the axes
[19:14:49] <ssi> weird
[19:15:04] <cradek> ah ok. very unusual setup.
[19:15:28] <ssi> so now wire the parport pins to the encoder
[19:15:30] <cradek> maybe you will want to run the step-servos stepgens in velocity mode
[19:15:35] <ssi> you know the hal names of the pins?
[19:15:47] <ssi> it'll be something like:
[19:16:24] <ssi> net x-enc-a encoder.0.phase-A <= parport.0.in-01
[19:16:33] <ssi> (x-enc-a is the signal name, and I completely made it up)
[19:16:40] <ssi> you need to attach A, B, and Z for each encoder
[19:17:23] <ssi> and you'll also need to setp encoder.0.position-scale XXX
[19:17:26] <Daywalker198454> ok.. the <= is for input and => for output?
[19:17:28] <ssi> whathever the scale of the encoder is
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[19:17:41] <ssi> <= and => don't mean anything, hal ignores them
[19:17:50] <ssi> they're there to keep straight what's what, for your own menefit
[19:17:52] <ssi> benefit
[19:18:15] <ssi> but yeah, I used it there to indicate the signal from parport goes into the encoder phaseA pin
[19:18:35] <Daywalker198454> can i write "net x-enc-a encoder.0.phase-A parport.0.in-01" too??
[19:18:48] <ssi> yep
[19:19:01] <ssi> whatever makes it clear in your mind :)
[19:19:08] <Daywalker198454> ok.. i´ll try
[19:19:34] <ssi> the position-scale needs to be set to the counts per unit
[19:19:34] <Daywalker198454> it is hard to understand when nobody helps you understand it-... :P
[19:19:42] <ssi> it's a tall mountain to climb
[19:19:45] <ssi> but we all had to do it :)
[19:20:11] <Daywalker198454> mach3 was really simple
[19:20:19] <ssi> it's TOO simple
[19:20:41] <Daywalker198454> but you can´t close the loop in realtime
[19:20:52] <Daywalker198454> but u have to understand.. :P
[19:21:05] <cradek> you can get a very easy and simple setup like mach3 using stepconf. just ignore your scales.
[19:21:48] <Daywalker198454> did it, but linux should know the position of the table
[19:21:58] <Daywalker198454> not to comp. backlash or something
[19:23:32] <cradek> so like mach3, it is simple to do something simpler than you want
[19:23:37] <ReadError> servos sound like a PITA ;/
[19:23:47] <Daywalker198454> @ ssi and cradek are u often here
[19:23:50] <cradek> step-servos are the worst of all worlds
[19:23:52] <Daywalker198454> PITA???
[19:24:04] <ssi> heh yeah I'm not a fan of step-servos
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[19:24:10] <ssi> necessary evil in the mach world
[19:24:34] <Daywalker198454> the mitsubishi´s are pretty fine stuff
[19:24:41] <Daywalker198454> (servo´s
[19:24:45] <FinboySlick> Woah, funky:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=edJYIarO4R0
[19:24:46] <Tecan> (edJYIarO4R0) "CNC Lathe,CNC Automatic Lathe - HD Video produce by 聖僑資訊 S&J Corp." by "mysjtv" is "Tech" - Length: 0:06:56
[19:25:11] <Daywalker198454> but expensive
[19:26:37] <Daywalker198454> i can drive the mitsubishi´s in torque and velocitymode too
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[19:27:12] <cradek> you should run them in velocity mode then
[19:27:22] <ssi> Tecan: I love crazy lathes
[19:27:41] <FinboySlick> ssi: That was me ;)
[19:27:46] <ssi> er right
[19:27:47] <ssi> hahaha
[19:27:55] <ssi> THE ONE WHO ISNT A ROBOT
[19:28:05] <cradek> ideally you'd feedback both positions to linuxcnc and run double pids
[19:28:23] <cradek> (the amps will also need the motor position, that's ok, wire it to both places)
[19:29:23] <ssi> FinboySlick: I can't even imagine what it must be like to program for that thing
[19:30:11] <ssi> also, live tooling polygon turning makes me immensely happy/jealous
[19:30:34] <FinboySlick> ssi: Would suck for one-offs, but optimizing this for output must be awesome.
[19:30:37] <ssi> yep
[19:31:01] <ssi> 11 axis
[19:31:01] <ssi> hahah
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[19:34:00] <FinboySlick> When picking a hobby mill, I greatly underestimated the awesomeness that is a tool changer too.
[19:34:16] <FinboySlick> I definitely would have given the tormach more consideration.
[19:34:35] <ssi> yeah the tormach is a nice machine, but it's spendy for what it is
[19:34:39] <ssi> what machine did you end up with?
[19:35:05] <FinboySlick> "
http://www.syilamerica.com/machine_x5speed.php
[19:35:25] <syyl_> a toolchanger is incredible usefull
[19:35:26] <syyl_> :D
[19:35:27] <FinboySlick> Considering the price of a Tormach, I'd have had a much nice marchine.
[19:35:31] <ssi> hm
[19:35:32] <ssi> yes
[19:35:44] <ssi> I'm having a hard time getting a sense of scale on that machine
[19:35:48] <ssi> looks small
[19:35:54] <ssi> BF20 sized maybe
[19:35:56] <FinboySlick> It is pretty small.
[19:35:57] <ssi> or smaller?
[19:36:14] <FinboySlick> It's bigger tan an X3
[19:36:14] <syyl_> bigger than a bf20
[19:36:28] <FinboySlick> About 800 pounds with stand.
[19:36:30] <syyl_> what kind of spindle nose does the x5 have?
[19:36:32] <syyl_> collets?
[19:36:33] <ssi> 24k spindle?
[19:36:52] <FinboySlick> 24k spindle, R16 if I'm not mistaken.
[19:37:05] <ssi> R16?
[19:37:07] <ssi> not ER16?
[19:37:21] <FinboySlick> ER, yes.
[19:37:24] <FinboySlick> Not sure on the 16.
[19:37:29] <FinboySlick> 7mm max.
[19:37:33] <syyl_> thats er11
[19:37:36] <ssi> yea
[19:37:37] <FinboySlick> Ah, yes.
[19:37:41] <ssi> tiny
[19:37:43] <syyl_> and pretty small ;)
[19:37:45] <ssi> I have ER16 on my little engraver :P
[19:38:16] <FinboySlick> Given the rigidity, and spindle, I don't think it'd do very well with bigger tools anyway.
[19:38:17] <ReadError> it has a tool changer ?
[19:38:25] <FinboySlick> No.
[19:39:19] <FinboySlick> It's an option on a similarly priced standard X5 though.
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[19:40:00] <FinboySlick> I could relatively easily convert the head of the machine to a standard spindle (instead of high speed)
[19:40:16] <FinboySlick> There's a lot of room in that casting.
[19:40:58] <syyl_> i like the fact that it has linear ways
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[19:41:20] <FinboySlick> syyl_: You wouldn't like the fact that they're mounted on uneven surfaces though :P
[19:41:28] <syyl_> chinese standard ;)
[19:41:53] <syyl_> at least they dont wear that fast as the soft chinese castiron of normal guideways
[19:41:56] <FinboySlick> It's got no backlash and is silky smooth.
[19:42:23] <FinboySlick> I'll probably take it all appart, lap things nice, adjust and tweak everything that can be and cut my losses ;)
[19:42:49] <FinboySlick> It's just a heck of a lot of work getting there.
[19:42:54] <syyl_> :D
[19:43:09] <syyl_> but at least it looks a bit like a mini-vmc
[19:43:10] <syyl_> :D
[19:43:14] <FinboySlick> Castings are nice and heavy, it *could* be a nice machine.
[19:43:52] <syyl_> the x7 looks cool
[19:44:04] <syyl_> with those heavy sheetmetal waycovers
[19:44:32] <FinboySlick> syyl_: I'd take a magbase and last word indicator to the one I'm buying before signing though ;)
[19:44:57] <syyl_> i would to that with every far-far-east machine.. :D
[19:45:36] <FinboySlick> Mine was far east first, then far west since I bought it from a dealer in Alberta.
[19:46:01] <FinboySlick> I never got to actually see it before it got here.
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[19:46:26] <Gammax-Shop> afternoon all
[19:46:50] <Gammax-Shop> ANyone running a hitachi sj200 vfd?
[19:49:46] <ssi> oshi I completely forgot about this little bit of awesomeness
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[19:50:31] <Gammax-Shop> Cant wait for my couplers!
[19:50:52] <Gammax-Shop> picked up a hss cobalt 115 peice drill bit set at china freight for 45 bucks...
[19:51:02] <ssi> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BJxJMQICEAAO_GV.jpg:large
[19:51:14] <ssi> that's supposed to make it on my little lathe and never did
[19:51:18] <ssi> stepper encoder mounts :D
[19:51:38] <syyl_> reminds me of my mill
[19:51:46] <syyl_> i run steppers in closed loop with glas scales ;)
[19:52:02] <ssi> syyl_: I mostly wanted them for the index, for more repeatable homing
[19:52:09] <ssi> but closed loop steppers would be fun too
[19:52:18] <Gammax-Shop> ssi will that make sure the steppers never lose a step?
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[19:52:21] <syyl_> its incredible with the glass scales
[19:52:26] <FinboySlick> Ow.
[19:52:32] <ssi> Gammax-Shop: it'll definitely give you a follow error if they do
[19:52:38] <syyl_> i get better than 1/100mm absolute positionaccuracity
[19:52:45] <ssi> syyl_: that's awesome
[19:53:10] <ssi> I bought these encoders a long time ago, thinking the bases would mount on the back of a stepper easily
[19:53:12] <Gammax-Shop> I WOuld do that only if it gave an extra step or sumtin if it missed it.
[19:53:13] <ssi> but it wasn't the case
[19:53:23] <ssi> ended up 3d printing mount adapters for them
[19:53:25] <Gammax-Shop> Or configure it so the steppers were like dc motors ie servos
[19:53:33] <ssi> that's an example of an honestly useful 3d printed object :)
[19:53:38] <syyl_> steppers with encoders are not that uncommon in the industry
[19:53:48] <syyl_> and is it printed on a reprap?
[19:53:51] <ssi> syyl_: yep
[19:53:52] <Gammax-Shop> seriously nice job
[19:53:55] <syyl_> what? :D
[19:53:56] <syyl_> realy?
[19:54:03] <syyl_> a useable object out of a reprap?
[19:54:08] <ssi> it's actually possible to print stuff other than moustaches and fake sunglasses
[19:54:15] <syyl_> :D
[19:54:26] <r00t4rd3d> http://www.ebay.com/itm/US-ship-Free-Ship-3-pcs-Nema-23-dual-shaft-stepper-motor-425-oz-in-CNC-/281034194593?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item416ef17ea1
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[19:55:43] <r00t4rd3d> seems good
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[19:58:46] <jdh> same price as keling more or less.
[20:00:21] <r00t4rd3d> i hate to buy 3 more steppers but I dont think the 125oz 2a ones I have now are going to cut it on my new machine
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[20:04:18] <andypugh> ssi: I can do polygon turning on a normal lathe.
[20:05:09] <andypugh> Internal too:
https://plus.google.com/photos/108164504656404380542/albums/5747722155741347649/5832320925027926978?banner=pwa
[20:06:50] <andypugh> Daywalker198454: For your step-servos what you need is a standard servo setup, but instead of the PID component driving a PWM generator (pwmgen) it needs to drive a step-generator (stepgen) in velocity mode.
[20:07:22] <andypugh> I can't decide whether it is easier to start with a stepper config, or a servo config, to set that up.
[20:08:15] <andypugh> I _think_ what you should do is get it all set up and working as a pure step-system, with no linear slides being used then consider modifying the config to use slides.
[20:08:49] <andypugh> However, if the motors have encoders, I am not really sure what the linear scales add.
[20:09:06] <andypugh> (And I used "slides" a lot of time there where I meant "scales")
[20:10:35] <JT-Shop> enough musicbee, time to take the Giant out into the woods and sweat some
[20:12:23] <andypugh> Take the Midget, and sweat less.
[20:14:56] <L84Supper> https://plus.google.com/photos/108164504656404380542/albums/5747722155741347649/5857937108905406242?banner=pwa blowed up pretty good
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[20:18:30] <JT-Shop> crap I think I just made it start rainging but I'm going anyway
[20:18:45] <JT-Shop> I dont' have a Midget just a Giant
[20:19:26] <JT-Shop> last time I had one it had 10 speeds, I don't even know how many this one has...
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[20:20:53] <ssi> andypugh: rotary broaching?
[20:28:07] <andypugh> No, active X-slide control.
[20:29:01] <andypugh> L84Supper: Yes, it looks worse now, I fixed the obvious problem with a blown track, then all the caps caught fire.
[20:36:40] <ssi> andypugh: for internal even? impressive
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[20:36:46] <ssi> you end up with slightly curved walls that way, no?
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[20:37:53] <andypugh> In theory the walls can be any shape, including straight. You do tend to get rounded corners.
[20:39:16] <r00t4rd3d> is that covered under warranty ?
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[20:44:06] <andypugh> r00t4rd3d: The 8i20? It was an engneering sample :-)
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[21:14:23] <ssi> holy crap how fast can I make this thing go
[21:16:04] <ssi> 3000ipm 100i/s/s works
[21:16:13] <ssi> er no that's 200i/s/s
[21:17:03] <ssi> 3600ipm works, but occasionally stalls in accel
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[21:35:09] <ssi> lord
[21:35:10] <ssi> http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/otherfab/the-othermill-custom-circuits-at-your-fingertips?ref=category
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[21:38:57] <DJ9DJ> gn8
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[21:44:51] <r00t4rd3d> should i pack thrust bearings with grease ?
[21:47:22] <ssi> if they're metal race and metal ball, yes
[21:47:28] <ssi> dunno about plastic race ones
[21:48:02] <r00t4rd3d> http://www.cncrouterparts.com/images/IMG_2077.JPG
[21:48:10] <r00t4rd3d> hard to see them but they are all metal
[21:48:16] <r00t4rd3d> needle bearings
[21:48:18] <ssi> yea I'd grease those
[21:48:24] <ssi> something light, like kluber isoflex
[21:48:49] <Aero-Tec> can linuxcnc run more then one spindle?
[21:49:05] <Aero-Tec> variable speed spindles
[21:49:17] <r00t4rd3d> probably with hal and a custom break out
[21:49:22] <Aero-Tec> like the lathe posted above
[21:49:32] <Aero-Tec> cool
[21:50:05] <r00t4rd3d> im just guessing though
[21:50:47] <r00t4rd3d> some type of switched relay and some solder
[21:50:52] <r00t4rd3d> :)
[21:51:08] <r00t4rd3d> you can run a coolant pump and a spindle
[21:51:12] <r00t4rd3d> so
[21:51:36] <ssi> a spindle can be considered an axis
[21:52:07] <ssi> you can do damn near anything in hal
[21:52:19] <ssi> the limiting factor is gonna be user interface related and maybe kinematics related
[21:54:52] <Aero-Tec> so one could run a servo to run 2 spindles?
[21:55:00] <Aero-Tec> 2 servos
[21:55:17] <Aero-Tec> would that be a axis in EMC?
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[21:55:58] <Aero-Tec> would be cool to run 2 servos for the 2 spindles of a lathe
[21:56:19] <Aero-Tec> as well as one for active tooling
[21:56:34] <r00t4rd3d> seems andypugh has posted about this
[21:56:45] <r00t4rd3d> http://linuxcnc.org/dapper/emc2/index.php/russian/forum/38-general-linuxcnc-questions/2652-is-driving-a-dual-spindle-mill-possible
[21:56:45] <Aero-Tec> so 3 spindles, maybe more
[21:57:01] <ssi> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wNo5JsQFgco
[21:57:01] <Tecan> (wNo5JsQFgco) "Cnc plasma axis test" by "imcmahon" is "Tech" - Length: 0:00:14
[21:57:06] <ssi> 3000ipm, 200i/s/s
[21:57:40] <r00t4rd3d> ur gonna break something
[21:57:45] <ssi> NEVRRRR
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[22:03:09] <Aero-Tec> it sounds like one can have more them 9 axis in EMC but can only control 9 at one time, is this true?
[22:03:25] <Aero-Tec> that would be so cool
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[22:05:25] <andypugh> G-code can only control 9 axes. That is mainly because there are no letters left.
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[22:06:28] <Aero-Tec> lot of letters left
[22:06:30] <Jymmm> O_o
[22:07:08] <Aero-Tec> 26 and your only using 9 of them
[22:07:11] <andypugh> But, if all you want to do is send "things" to "places" then the HAL "limit3" component is a complete motion controller. And you can drive it with the G-code analog-out pins.
[22:07:41] <andypugh> They all mean something.
[22:08:03] <andypugh> G, M, S, F and T are clearly "taken"
[22:08:17] <Aero-Tec> true
[22:08:23] <ds3> so are P and Q
[22:08:37] <andypugh> O was the only spare, and got used for loops.
[22:08:47] <andypugh> IJK are arc-centre
[22:09:10] <Aero-Tec> need to do aa ab ac
[22:09:12] <Aero-Tec> lol
[22:09:30] <Aero-Tec> that would expand things some
[22:09:35] <andypugh> Not unambiguous.
[22:09:46] <andypugh> G-code ignores spaces.
[22:10:55] <Aero-Tec> AA,AB,AC.........BA,BB,BC........CA,CB,CC.....................
[22:11:05] <ds3> andypugh: don't threading and macros also use IJK?
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[22:12:13] <andypugh> Yes. They can be derived from context.
[22:12:32] <andypugh> But it's hard to see how you can overload an axis move.
[22:12:57] <ds3> trying to say that IJK have other uses beyond arcs
[22:15:05] <andypugh> They can be seen as generic XYZ modifiers, I think?
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[22:16:40] <ds3> all the uses of them seem to suggest they are relative version of XYZ
[22:16:52] <r00t4rd3d> http://i.imgur.com/CYamtqm.jpg
[22:21:06] <Aero-Tec> lol
[22:21:10] <Aero-Tec> very funny
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[22:22:01] <Aero-Tec> very well done
[22:26:47] <r00t4rd3d> seen it on reddit
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[22:31:38] <PetefromTn> just had a heart attack....
[22:32:07] <andypugh> Really?
[22:35:32] <PetefromTn> yup really.... thought I blew my new Z drive trying to wire up the damn braking resistor.....
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[22:39:25] <Tom_itx> turns out i had the same name net defined in another hal file
[22:39:34] <Tom_itx> no wonder it wouldn't work right
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[23:16:25] <JT-Shop> turns out I have two songs by Madness
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[23:28:32] <L84Supper> JT-Shop: One Step Beyond and Baggy Trousers?
[23:29:11] <JT-Shop> Our House and House of Fun
[23:29:47] <L84Supper> Our House was their Top 10 hit
[23:30:06] <L84Supper> were you a Ska fan back in the day?
[23:30:48] <jdh> didn't they break up during the filming of the video?
[23:31:06] <JT-Shop> I've never heard Ska
[23:31:11] <JT-Shop> that I know of
[23:31:26] <JT-Shop> I do have some strange music though
[23:31:52] <L84Supper> Madness was a Ska band, then went pop
[23:32:11] <JT-Shop> ok, I had no idea what that was
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[23:37:55] <ssi> fedex man is seriously late today :(
[23:38:24] <jdh> fedex man delivered my replacement RSA token today. It was shipped last Wed.
[23:38:37] <ssi> he's bringing me five boxes of CDs
[23:38:37] <ssi> :P
[23:38:44] <jdh> full of SKA?
[23:38:58] <ssi> hahaha i hope not
[23:39:03] <L84Supper> CD's are those coaster things?
[23:39:07] <ssi> someone will get an angry letter if so
[23:39:10] <ssi> L84Supper: yeah thems the ones
[23:39:22] <jdh> it's what people used to use before high speed interwebbes
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[23:40:11] <L84Supper> I still have some AOL CD's I use as coasters, it was nice since they came for free in the mail
[23:40:34] <JT-Shop> LOL, I remember them
[23:41:11] <JT-Shop> fun to shoot a dozen or so from a skeet launcher and try to blast them in flight
[23:41:33] <L84Supper> all good uses
[23:42:01] <ssi> well I'll have plenty for doing all these fun things and more
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[23:42:35] <Tom_itx> i thought they were microwave sparklers
[23:42:41] <jdh> you distributing home pr0n via snail mail?
[23:43:15] <PetefromTn> anyone here good with braking resistors?
[23:43:20] <L84Supper> do they still music on those disc things?
[23:43:25] <ssi> jdh: it's still higher bandwidth than the internets
[23:43:25] <jdh> I'm good with breaking resistors
[23:43:29] <ssi> L84Supper: yeah believe it or not
[23:43:35] <ssi> although the CD was an afterthought... the vinyl was the real project
[23:43:46] <jdh> ssi: depends on who's driving.
[23:44:27] <ssi> true
[23:44:45] <PetefromTn> I am TRYING to use a water heater element with the Z axis drive on my Cincinatti Arrow 500 VMC...
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[23:45:13] <ssi> but?
[23:45:14] <L84Supper> PetefromTn: sounds good, any problems so far?
[23:45:18] <PetefromTn> I read the manual on the TSTA-30 teco drive and it indicates a minimum of a 23 ohm resistance
[23:45:41] <Tom_itx> what's the element resistance?
[23:45:44] <L84Supper> at what voltage?
[23:45:52] <PetefromTn> I bought a water heater element that is exactly 24 ohms and is 2500 watt 240v unit
[23:46:06] <L84Supper> sounds good so far
[23:46:32] <Tom_itx> you mounting it under your coffee pot so you can make use of the extra heat?
[23:46:39] <JT-Shop> LOL
[23:46:51] <PetefromTn> I fabricated a small bracket from a piece of square tool steel and tig welded the threaded portion of the element to it and hooked it up from the P to the PC inputs on the TSTA-30
[23:47:03] <JT-Shop> 23, 24 whatever it takes
[23:47:06] <L84Supper> auxiliary water heater
[23:47:47] <PetefromTn> When we powered it up there is ONE setting that I can find that determines the resistor power.
[23:48:22] <PetefromTn> It is CN012 and it WAS set to 60 but we upped it to 300ohms...
[23:49:22] <PetefromTn> When we turned it on there was a strange clicking noise that sounded like a relay was msifiring or something. I quickly powered it down and checked everything
[23:49:32] <PetefromTn> Found nothing in particular.
[23:50:34] <PetefromTn> When I removed the leads to the resistor and reinstalled the little shunt that was there I also changed that parameter back to 60. powered it back up and it STILL made the noise. I shut it off again.
[23:51:03] <PetefromTn> Then I let it sit for awhile and now it seems to work in Z axis drive as I had control with no noise and head goes up and down smoothly and quietly...
[23:51:24] <PetefromTn> I am stumped at what the hell that clicking noise was and why... Afraid to try it again.
[23:51:31] <PetefromTn> any ideas?
[23:51:41] <L84Supper> are there any relays?
[23:51:56] <L84Supper> all semiconductors?
[23:52:01] <JT-Shop> gentlemen I'll leave you with this inspirational song
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m_WRFJwGsbY
[23:52:01] <PetefromTn> sure three of them but they have nothing to do with this Z drive?
[23:52:02] <Tecan> (m_WRFJwGsbY) "Monty Python Live at the Hollywood Bowl - Philospher's Song" by "Adam Meeks" is "Comedy" - Length: 0:03:57
[23:52:31] <PetefromTn> no mechanical relays...
[23:52:40] <Tom_itx> it wasn't causing an under power condition to trip the relays was it?
[23:53:37] <PetefromTn> how? The relays are used for witching the main contactor, a seal in circuit relay, and the last one is for the spindle motor fan...
[23:53:47] <L84Supper> maybe stuff on the z-axis screws?
[23:54:14] <L84Supper> or was the sound from the control panel?
[23:54:14] <PetefromTn> I never actually moved the axis.... I only energized the servos and heard the noise and quickly hit the E-stop
[23:55:30] <PetefromTn> No it was from the electronics cabinet as far as I could tell. The second time I tried it before reverting to the previous setup I walked back there quickly to see if I could find the source of the clicking but could not tell quick enough and felt scared of the possible problem so I killed the main switch.
[23:56:04] <L84Supper> but it runs fine now?
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[23:57:01] <PetefromTn> yeah I actually just lost power from a bad thunderstorm a bit ago so have not been able to check it but once I reverted to the original setup I was able to move everything and checked the coolant pump etc... no issues that I could find... crazy.
[23:57:51] <PetefromTn> Now that the storm has passed I am gonna try to power it up and home everything again. Did not check the spindle motor as I had not messed with it yet.
[23:58:40] <Tom_itx> get a 2nd pair of hands on the control while you stick your head inside the cabinet
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[23:59:16] <PetefromTn> yeah good idea...
[23:59:50] <PetefromTn> Really glad I went with the estop circuit that kills power completely.
