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[00:19:48] <tjb1> r00t4rd3d:
[00:44:01] <tjb1> r00t4rd3d:
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[00:53:35] <r00t4rd3d> ?
[00:53:42] <r00t4rd3d> tjb1
[00:53:42] <r00t4rd3d> tjb1
[00:54:14] <r00t4rd3d> you know you can do /notice nick message and its sent to just me/
[00:54:15] <r00t4rd3d> ?
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[00:55:49] <r00t4rd3d> now what you want
[01:07:17] <BHSPiMonkey> grbl really doesn't like me
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[01:09:44] <skunkworks> BHSPiMonkey: why can't you just use linuxcnc?
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[01:28:25] <tjb1> r00t4rd3d:
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[01:56:20] <r00t4rd3d> http://store.qwerkeys.co.uk/collections/frontpage
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[02:01:45] <BHSPiMonkey> skunkworks: I don't even know how I could go about that; I haven't been doing this very long and I've stuck to the standard shapeoko implementation thus far
[02:02:05] <BHSPiMonkey> with the exception of using an all-in-one controller instead of an arduino
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[02:09:34] <r00t4rd3d> http://www.ebay.com/itm/3-Axis-TB6560-CNC-Stepper-Motor-Driver-Board-Controller-/221194934966?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item33803edab6
[02:09:57] <r00t4rd3d> those are cheaper then a legit Arduino
[02:10:15] <r00t4rd3d> and a grbl shield
[02:11:28] <r00t4rd3d> http://www.ebay.com/itm/New-3-Axis-TB6560-Motor-Driver-Stepper-Board-Controller-With-Box-For-CNC-Router-/261188446908?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3cd00b6abc
[02:11:42] <r00t4rd3d> thats the newest revision for a bit more
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[02:23:39] <r00t4rd3d> http://mail.google.com/mail/help/intl/en/promos/blue/index.html
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[02:51:55] <tjb1> r00t4rd3d: !
[02:53:31] <TheLarch> (8 year old operating a Flexicam CNC)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZcvDxvOi2Mk this kids not lazy, she just doesn't like safety gear
[02:53:32] <Tecan> (ZcvDxvOi2Mk) "8 year old operating a Flexicam CNC" by "Daniel Antes" is "Tech" - Length: 0:01:12
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[03:02:50] <L84Supper> http://www.alioindustries.com/custom-motion-systems.html
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[04:33:38] <r00t4rd3d> what are the cnc machines called that the spindle can move all over
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[04:34:41] <r00t4rd3d> 5 axis is all i can think of
[04:36:25] <r00t4rd3d> but where the spindle is on like a robotic arm
[04:37:33] <toastyde2th> hexapod?
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[14:00:10] <R2E4_awy> How do they get away with selling systems based on usb. Thats not real time.
[14:00:26] <R2E4_awy> The latency must be terrible especially wioth windows.
[14:00:57] <archivist> because the realtime part is external too (if it works at all)
[14:01:41] <cradek> you just need a buffer of several seconds, and you have to accept that the machine will continue on its own merry way for a while after you try to tell it different
[14:01:46] <R2E4_awy> Then there is no error correction and true feedback?
[14:02:01] <pcw_home> There may be local feedback
[14:02:16] <R2E4_awy> hmmm.
[14:02:33] <cradek> yes everything that requires up-to-date feedback has to be implemented in the black box
[14:02:51] <cradek> so each black-box-maker has to do each of those things
[14:02:53] <R2E4_awy> ANyway, I am starting my conversion to 220 single phase on my bridgeport.
[14:03:36] <R2E4_awy> Then will power up to see if everything is working, so I can convert to mesa boards and linuxcnc
[14:05:57] <tjb1> r00t4rd3d:
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[14:30:19] <r00t4rd3d> ?
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[15:25:46] <r00t4rd3d> http://www.leevalley.com/us/wood/page.aspx?p=70655&c=
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[16:01:42] <tjb1> 1/2" is soo hard on the powermax 45
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[16:07:20] <andypugh> r00t4rd3d: I can't decide if that Spider Vice is real. It looke plausible and convincing, except for the write-up towards the end.
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[16:14:09] <andypugh> If I want to write some G-code to cut radial slots do I use trigonometry, polar coordinates or G10 cordinate rotation?
[16:16:09] <cradek> yes
[16:16:43] <skunkworks_> R2E4_awy, They use a different archetecture.. The device is the motion control - all the moves get heh
[16:16:49] <skunkworks_> oops
[16:16:59] <skunkworks_> I meant 'heh'
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[16:37:40] <IchGuckLive> hi all B)
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[16:41:16] <IchGuckLive> jt-shop?
[16:44:13] <IchGuckLive> @ all im in trouble with the hal position feedback
[16:44:19] <IchGuckLive> i hijekt Z-pos
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[16:44:33] <IchGuckLive> net Zpos-cmd thcud.z-pos-in <= axis.2.motor-pos-cmd
[16:44:35] <IchGuckLive> net Zthcud-out thcud.z-pos-out => stepgen.2.position-cmd
[16:44:56] <IchGuckLive> this works but gives an error AS EXpected to the position feedback
[16:45:17] <IchGuckLive> net Zpos-fb stepgen.2.position-fb => axis.2.motor-pos-fb THIS is the feedback
[16:45:38] <IchGuckLive> the Hijekt Feedback is thcud.z-fb-out
[16:45:54] <IchGuckLive> how do i get them into the working hal
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[16:53:36] <andypugh> I think that the stepgen feedback goes into one pin of the thc, and there is a "modified" feedback out to keep LinuxCNC happy.
[16:54:09] <andypugh> There is something to be said for the idea of every joint having an optional "external offset" pin.
[16:55:27] <IchGuckLive> ok i try
[16:55:46] <andypugh> One problem with writing code on a VM inside, in the warm, then going out to the machine, is that it is possible, if you are really stupid, to forget that the Machine still has the Axis splash screen code loaded...
[16:56:23] <pcw_home> Yow!
[16:56:58] <andypugh> Luckily it was a 2mm end mill, and didn't put up much of a fight.
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[17:01:30] <r00t4rd3d> "Google pays Mozilla $300Million/year to be the default search engine in Firefox"
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[17:07:50] * cpresser is quite puzzled. i tried to mill a 'L' into my sacrificial layer in order to align my workpiece along those lines
[17:08:08] <cpresser> turns out the corner is no 90%
[17:08:27] <jdh> is it 90% of 90 degrees?
[17:08:30] <cpresser> but rather a litte less than 90°
[17:08:38] <cpresser> typo
[17:09:33] <cpresser> i used this setup for mor than a year and never seen anything like this. i wonder if it always has been aligned this bad
[17:10:34] <archivist> cpresser, see
http://linuxcnc.org/docs/html/gcode/gcode.html#sec:G61-G61_1
[17:10:39] * cpresser needs to to more experiments. and see if i can reproduve this error
[17:11:25] <cpresser> archivist: i ran the moves (for milling the L) by entering commands into MDI. the machine was at a complete stop between individual moves
[17:11:41] <ReadError> r00t4rd3d, you gone with those blue tslots yet?
[17:11:52] <cpresser> but as a matter of fact, i use G64 per default
[17:11:54] <archivist> cpresser, and any machine error :)
[17:12:36] <cpresser> archivist: the thing is that i wasnt aware that the mechanical machine error is that big
[17:12:39] <IchGuckLive> cpresser: G64 P ?
[17:12:47] <archivist> I dunno what your machine looks like, commercial or homebrew
[17:13:04] <IchGuckLive> commercal G64 is not a good idee
[17:13:29] <cpresser> homebrew; but quite sturdy.
http://ca.rstenpresser.de/~cpresser/tmp/pictures/unsorted/aussenwerbung/fertigung.jpg
[17:13:53] <cpresser> 80x80mm aluminium profiles for the frame.
[17:15:03] <archivist> how is the gantry driven, one or two drives
[17:15:22] <cpresser> one drive. linked via timing belt
[17:15:41] <archivist> how is it kept square, adjustment?
[17:16:14] <archivist> one pulley come loose
[17:16:38] <cpresser> yep, it was adjusted on installation. guess i need to check all involved mechanical parts
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[17:17:37] <cpresser> most likely you are right with the pully. or the belt itself wore of..
[17:17:47] <archivist> if you have more backlash one side then squareness depends on direction too
[17:19:28] <cpresser> interesting point. i will try to reproduce that. but i dont think its backlash related. the error is visible with the plain eye. backlash is not (on this machine)
[17:20:52] <cpresser> the error is a magnitute order larger than backlash
[17:21:56] <archivist> I had pulleys slip after some use
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[17:32:52] <IchGuckLive> im not getting the hijek done joint folling error error
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[17:36:16] <IchGuckLive> GOT it oneshot 0.001 s
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[17:39:44] <IchGuckLive> will test this tomorow on a real mashine
[17:40:03] <IchGuckLive> maybe i hijakt now the way only the numbers mve but no mashine
[17:40:07] <IchGuckLive> O.O
[17:42:06] <andypugh> Googling for thcud I found:
http://trecko1234.appspot.com/pastebin.com/KWz7FDBJ
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[18:01:36] <IchGuckLive> andy thanks
[18:02:07] <IchGuckLive> andypugh: jt-s version
http://gnipsel.com/shop/plasma/plasma.xhtml
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[18:10:17] <IchGuckLive> so im off by
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[18:33:39] <andypugh> Adjustable locknut idea stolen directly from a Ducati rear wheel:
https://plus.google.com/photos/108164504656404380542/albums/5747722155741347649/5861948098132803058
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[18:37:13] <pcw_home> thats nice, vernier locknut
[18:37:30] <Connor> andypugh: How does that work ?
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[18:39:03] <andypugh> Connor: It's a vernier locknit.
[18:40:01] <andypugh> There is one more slot in the inner than the outer, so different ones line up approximately every 4 degrees.
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[18:40:22] <andypugh> Then the spring-clip goes in the selected pair.
[18:40:32] <Connor> ok
[18:41:31] <pcw_home> I wonder if those people doing the SSI interface on the forum gave up or were successful (and quiet)
[18:41:46] <andypugh> Might be worth prodding them.
[18:41:55] <pcw_home> Got another customer that needs SSI
[18:42:36] <pcw_home> got them trying rawread/rawwrite for now
[18:43:03] <andypugh> Is the problem with the lack of a HAL interface?
[18:43:44] <andypugh> It's probably doable in much the same way as the BSPI, with a clever HAL component just getting access to the registers.
[18:45:07] <pcw_home> Yes no HAL but SSI is much simpler than BSPI so could be just a clone of the resolver interface (with a couple setup parameters)
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[18:45:50] <pcw_home> though no velocity pin :-(
[18:46:32] <Connor> SSI ?
[18:47:07] <pcw_home> Synchronous Serial Interface
[18:47:09] <pcw_home> common for absolute encoders
[18:47:21] <Connor> Ah.
[18:47:56] <Connor> Was just talking about Absolute encoders yesterday.. :)
[18:48:22] <pcw_home> very simple: host sends out clock pulse train, encoder sends back synchronous data
[18:48:46] <pcw_home> first clock pulse latches count in encoder
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[18:50:49] <pcw_home> kind of like SPI but unidirectional and framing is determined by gap in clock, not CS
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[18:55:04] <pcw_home> Some of the magnetic absolute encoders use SSI (AMS?), others use BISS (ICHaus?)
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[19:22:55] <mrsun> andypugh,
https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-4gZd6XLYfQw/TwXpNoFfKoI/AAAAAAAABRU/vqkx96KRCok/s700/IMG_0277.JPG homemade encoder ?
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[19:24:14] <andypugh> Yes. But it didn't work with the sensors I had. It would probably work with different ones.
http://youtu.be/c1zCG-uPaoM
[19:24:57] <andypugh> Pen as resist, cnc drawn, then etched to make the unprotected parts matt.
[19:25:47] <mrsun> how is it supposed to work ? :)
[19:26:01] <andypugh> reflective sensors.
[19:26:05] <mrsun> ahh
[19:26:26] <mrsun> brittish ? :)
[19:26:39] <andypugh> Me? Yes.
[19:27:03] <mrsun> feels like i recognize the voice ...
[19:27:19] <mrsun> but cant place it :P
[19:27:29] <andypugh> That's odd, because I don't recognise it as mine.
[19:28:04] <mrsun> maybe some youtube video ive seen before ? hmm
[19:28:10] <mrsun> or someone who sounds just like you :P
[19:28:31] <andypugh> Probably my other hobbing video?
[19:29:24] <mrsun> do not regocnize any of the videos under the username andy pugh atleast =)
[19:29:26] <mrsun> oh well
[19:29:43] <andypugh> I used to be called blyndpew on Youtube I think.
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[19:38:02] <ProxDem> hum
[19:38:12] <ProxDem> I want to set feed override back to 100%
[19:38:19] <ProxDem> but somehow it will only let me go to 99% or 101%
[19:38:26] <ProxDem> anybody got some insight on this?
[19:41:03] <micges> press 0 on keyboard
[19:41:31] <micges> (above 'p' not numeric)
[19:41:50] <ProxDem> awesome
[19:41:51] <ProxDem> thanks micges
[19:42:16] <ProxDem> not that 99% or 101% would've made a huge difference
[19:42:18] <ProxDem> I was just curious
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[19:42:42] <ProxDem> http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?Keyboard_Shortcuts <-- it was right there
[19:42:45] <ProxDem> damn I'm blind
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[20:05:29] <tjtr33> my robot's encoders are not synchronous, only has +v,0,D+,D- absolute encoders
http://imagebin.org/252441
[20:05:49] <tjtr33> the protocol is discussed here
http://www.copleycontrols.com/motion/pdf/encoder-guide.pdf
[20:05:58] <tjtr33> so, i got a start :)
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[20:11:55] <PCW> so its absolute A?
[20:13:53] <tjtr33> yep, i dunno much more, its now clean and i'll look at an encoder soon
[20:14:10] <PCW> can you get better protocol/command/timing info?
[20:14:30] <PCW> maybe its just async
[20:14:48] <tjtr33> not so far :) the Diahen co doesnt make them anymore
[20:15:12] <tjtr33> yes, i thought Absolute A was 1 way & a-synch
[20:15:32] <tjtr33> just a guy yelling out position and erros :)
[20:16:59] <tjtr33> if the rate is high enuf, it might do me some good for an rt system ( like > 2x servo update rate ?)
[20:20:27] <PCW> Without knowing the baud rate, its hard to tell
[20:20:57] <tjtr33> yep, but copley suggests its 1 of 2 ( crosses fingers)
[20:21:50] <tjtr33> its an OTC Daihen DR603 manipulator ( they call the robot itself the manipul8r) ftp://dewalch.com/pub/incoming/DR%20Installation%20&%20Maintenance%20%281L5000A-E-10%29.pdf
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[20:22:45] <PCW> who made the encoders?
[20:23:34] <tjtr33> i'll open it up and look, the web rumor is Sanyo Denkii
[20:23:48] <tjtr33> bbl
[20:28:19] <PCW> ahh so 2.5 or 4 mbaud
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[20:58:04] <L84Supper> tjtr33:
http://www.alioindustries.com/custom-motion-systems.html ever have any experience with these guys?
[20:58:41] <DJ9DJ> gn8
[20:58:48] <Tom_itx> andypugh, seems alot of things work on the 'one less tooth' principle like the harmonic drive etc
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[20:59:56] <tjtr33> L84Supper, no biz, but i recognize the logo. very nice lookin
[21:00:18] <L84Supper> www.alioindustries.com/pdf/alio-4-axis-protein-crystallography-v3.pdf i wonder what the prices is for this?
[21:01:46] <r00t4rd3d> looks like about 40-50k
[21:02:12] <r00t4rd3d> probably more
[21:03:09] <r00t4rd3d> what the heck do you want to do with that anyway?
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[21:03:27] <r00t4rd3d> science?
[21:03:38] <L84Supper> lasers and micronozzles
[21:04:15] <r00t4rd3d> my price guess was probably super low
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[21:05:04] <L84Supper> two photon absorption can get you down to 100nm features in photopolymers
[21:05:44] <L84Supper> one problem is making parts over a few microns across since the mechanisms are very precise over a small area
[21:06:13] <L84Supper> not over a large area, or only have a short travel
[21:08:08] <L84Supper> http://www.photonics.com/Article.aspx?AID=26907
[21:11:07] <PCW> Sync to what you have already hardened
[21:13:04] <PCW> tjtr
http://db.sanyodenki.co.jp/downfile/manuals_en/SANMOTION/M0006890.pdf
[21:13:06] <PCW> section 9
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[21:23:02] <tjtr33> PCW thx! reading now. its really quite nice build, nice mounts and easy to work on so far. motor&enc had cnxrs :)
http://imagebin.org/252450
[21:24:13] <L84Supper> for larger parts with >1um features you can use an optical microscope to align the next field or area to print
[21:24:28] <L84Supper> for 100nm features you need to have a SEM
[21:25:05] <L84Supper> or really really small encoders
[21:26:53] <PCW> print the encoders
[21:27:02] <tjtr33> PCW, wow, you da man! . i'll hook that up to putty and see what i can read. thank you very much
[21:27:19] <L84Supper> yeah, print 100nm alternating reference marks
[21:27:54] <tjtr33> AndyPugh ^^ some good info on that Absolute A encoder protocol
[21:29:11] <PCW> You can use physics, high speed motion and a clock to get good short term spacing, and calibrate out the long term errors...
[21:29:29] <tjtr33> L84Supper, position with a rack and use tiny stroke nano precision slides. big motion uses rack, small motion uses piezo/whatever, thats the idea behind the hirth gears
[21:29:39] <tjtr33> gears/racks
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[21:30:50] <tjtr33> err not a rack and a gear, a rack and a rack, it just positions the tiny slide along the long rack
[21:31:58] <tjtr33> tiny slide has rack segment on bottom, it gets plunked down on long rack (mechanical offset, very acurate)
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[21:46:04] <t12> my udnerstanding is that hd platter inspection systems
[21:46:10] <t12> are mechanically repeatable to a few nm
[21:47:46] <skunkworks> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UvQAovuRfL4
[21:47:59] <L84Supper> http://www.alioindustries.com/pdf/0010-00625-001AI-D8-40000E.pdf
[21:48:01] <skunkworks> must be using a profile (I assume it is a manual lathe)
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[21:50:56] <r00t4rd3d> so i am sick to death of the internets version of april fools
[21:51:15] <L84Supper> 200mm XY travel, encoder res down to 5nm
http://www.alioindustries.com/pdf/0010-02770-001AI-LM-20000-XY.pdf
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[21:53:55] <L84Supper> huh ends up Alio actually makes stages for other automation vendors like Dover, Fuji, Adept and Parker
[21:54:10] <L84Supper> no wonder they all look similar
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[22:45:57] <LeelooMinai> Hmm... anyone has an idea what I can expect from 6061T6 alu "flat bar" in terms of tolerances? I mean in general, not from particular place.
[22:47:35] <andypugh> Any one piece will probably be very consistent, but piece-to-piece may vary.
[22:48:05] <LeelooMinai> May I assume the sirface will be, well flat?
[22:48:09] <L84Supper> LeelooMinai: approx what size?
[22:48:26] <andypugh> How flat do you want?
[22:48:39] <andypugh> Cast tooling plate is pretty flat.
[22:49:01] <LeelooMinai> I am looking at metal supermarkets as the source of materials for my CNC frame. So sizes like 1 by 2 inch, and maybe some 6 by 1 inch
[22:49:15] <L84Supper> +/- 0.002" for thickness up to 1", 0.005" for 2"
[22:49:49] <LeelooMinai> L84Supper: Is that bar to bar or changes withing one bar?
[22:49:50] <L84Supper> extruded +/- 0.014" for the same
[22:50:24] <L84Supper> within a bar
[22:50:50] <LeelooMinai> Hmm... am I sane to use those for the frame? Or maybe I should use hollow tubing instead?
[22:51:14] <L84Supper> frame for what?
[22:51:25] <LeelooMinai> CNC - 50cm by 50xm footrpint or soe
[22:52:13] <L84Supper> http://www.programmingz.com/aluminum-association-standard-tolerances
[22:53:56] <L84Supper> http://www.sapagroup.com/pages/522554/Standards%20for%20Alum.%20Products%2012-07.pdf
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[22:55:14] <L84Supper> LeelooMinai: it depends on how accurate you want the machine to be, it's just raw material, you have to take it the rest of the way yourself
[22:55:58] <LeelooMinai> I guess hollow tubing may be stiffer for the same price, but joining it will be more problematic as I will have limited wall thickness to screw the bolts to
[22:56:01] <L84Supper> if you want to buy precision look at linear positioners
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[22:57:06] <LeelooMinai> I have ballscrews and rails ordered already - just designing the frame
[22:58:25] <LeelooMinai> Hoping to build it to be stiff and maybe square:)
[22:59:01] <L84Supper> http://www.cnczone.com/ maybe spend a few weeks reading through the forums
[22:59:33] <L84Supper> http://machinedesign.com
[22:59:53] <LeelooMinai> Right, I am there - I read a bit everyday, but there's so much info there, that sometimes I find conflicting views or too much detail
[23:00:48] <LeelooMinai> Also, some of the guys think everyone has some huge milling machine at home:)
[23:01:12] <L84Supper> doesn't everyone? :)
[23:01:56] <andypugh> I only have two small ones.
[23:01:58] <LeelooMinai> Well, since it's my first CNC, all I can use is large drill press
[23:02:47] <LeelooMinai> And mitre saw with blade for aluminum
[23:04:54] <andypugh> I see now why folk complain that PyCAM is slow.
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[23:08:18] <andypugh> Night all
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