#linuxcnc | Logs for 2013-03-16

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[00:08:46] <bpuk> or, and this is a crazy thought. I could buy a 7i44, a 8i20 and another 5i20 - then bench test it properly before gutting the machine
[00:10:45] <PCW> Ha! nothing can go wrong...
[00:11:02] <ReadError> r00t4rd3d
[00:11:07] <ReadError> aspire 4 come in yet?
[00:12:18] <bpuk> oh, and I have a spare 2.2 kw 100V output transformer (plus appropriate caps and recifier) sitting there to provide isolation.
[00:12:32] <bpuk> so yeah, may actually be a good idea :D
[00:13:22] <PCW> isolation is nice whilst poking about with the hardware
[00:13:44] <bpuk> ayup.
[00:15:12] <PCW> dont get too cocky with 360VDC
[00:15:58] <bpuk> not again anyway
[00:16:43] <PCW> we exploded a 8I20 when testing because we had a 120V desklamp as the brake and forgot to take it of at 360V
[00:16:45] <bpuk> ah, DC. No - I've always been careful around that. AC... one or two mistakes there
[00:16:50] <bpuk> ouch
[00:17:26] <PCW> 120V bulbs tend to short and arc at 360V we found
[00:18:07] <bpuk> the motor has a nameplate rating of 230V - mains here is nominal 220 (varies in practice from ~195 to ~265) - so I might need to step down slightly anyway
[00:18:31] <PCW> REAL bright for a moment though
[00:19:00] <bpuk> I bet!
[00:19:43] <PCW> that should be fine (the ACV is DC-BUS/sqrt(2))
[00:20:55] <bpuk> for some reason I thought rectified DC was AC*1.141. must have switched mult/div there
[00:21:09] <PCW> It is
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[00:22:05] <bpuk> so stepdown to 160v ish? (I think my brain has given up tonight)
[00:23:07] <PCW> so 230V AC X sqrt(2) --> 325 DC --> which is back down to 230VAC
[00:23:30] <andypugh> No, you will end up with about 320V if you rectify the mains. The motor won't care, and the 8i20 will be happy.
[00:24:17] <PCW> yeah you need the 325V to generate the 230VAC at the inverter output
[00:24:43] <PCW> beside the 8I20 is a current control device so even 400V is OK
[00:24:45] <bpuk> ah - brain has now caught up. so straight rectified is fine. ta
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[00:26:08] <PCW> 400VDC
[00:26:10] <PCW> 400VAC in would be bad (one customer tryed it)
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[00:36:17] <bpuk> did the breaker blow first, or the board?
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[00:36:47] <PCW> board (8200 uF cap)
[00:37:26] <PCW> 'nite all
[00:37:30] <bpuk> night
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[00:59:10] <bpuk> night all
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[01:01:38] <andypugh> Ooh! http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Aciera-F3S-Milling-Machine-/251243069611
[01:01:46] <andypugh> That's still cheap
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[01:13:14] <Jymmm> jdh: Did you recommend a battery charger from hobbyking once?
[01:13:36] <ReadError> i did maybe
[01:13:44] <ReadError> the accu 6 is decent
[01:13:56] <Jymmm> looking
[01:14:04] <ReadError> http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/__7028__Turnigy_Accucel_6_50W_6A_Balancer_Charger_w_accessories.html
[01:15:08] <Jymmm> ReadError: will that work with protected 18650's?
[01:15:30] <ReadError> oh not sure
[01:15:34] <ReadError> it will charge most chemistry
[01:16:19] <Jymmm> but "packs", doens't mention individual protected cells
[01:16:50] <Jymmm> ReadError: there is no "sense" plug on it
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[01:17:47] <Jymmm> ReadError: I'm really looking for a ac/dc/usb output charger for 18650 and niMh
[01:18:10] <ReadError> oh wait for jdh then
[01:18:44] <Jymmm> ReadError: hang on a sec, I'll show you what I mean
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[01:24:17] <Jymmm> ReadError: of course I can't find it now
[01:27:00] <Jymmm> ReadError: Kinda like this http://dx.com/p/ultrafire-wf-128-uk-plug-battery-charger-for-18650-17670-16340-aa-aaa-18350-149012
[01:27:23] <Jymmm> ReadError: but also nimh/nicad
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[01:30:00] <andypugh> With a proper manly BS plug.
[01:30:32] <Jymmm> andypugh: ?
[01:30:59] <andypugh> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BS_1363
[01:31:17] <Jymmm> oh gawd no
[01:31:35] <Jymmm> US two prog for AC
[01:32:07] <andypugh> It's the Worlds Best Plug, apart from being rather huge.
[01:32:17] <Jymmm> I want to be able recharge solar and ac
[01:32:41] <Jymmm> so I need a rapid or rapid/slow charger
[01:32:59] <Jymmm> as well as from 12vdc and 5vdc
[01:33:29] <Jymmm> but also provide 5vdc via usb port on the charge powered by the 18650's
[01:33:32] <andypugh> There is an attempt to commonise the EU plugs, but it is permanently stalled on tha fact that anything else will be less safe than the UK plug, but nobody really wants anything quite so huge.
[01:34:04] <Jymmm> heh
[01:34:14] <Jymmm> twist lock =)
[01:35:13] <andypugh> Fully-shielded socket holes (opened by the earth pin, and interlocked so that a pointy stick can't do it) and an internal fuse (so that a cable smaller than the fixed wiring is safe) are hard to argue against.
[01:36:13] <andypugh> Of course the latter point is moot when the owner puts a 13A fuse in a plug with a 3A cable coming out of it)
[01:36:25] <Jymmm> lol
[01:37:12] <andypugh> But at the same time is bothers me to see 3A cables plugged into EU sockets when you know the upstream breaker is 30A
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[01:37:32] <jdh> perhaps the cable is to protect the fuse.
[01:37:48] <Jymmm> or what he said
[01:38:07] <Jymmm> I always protect my fuses with tinfoil!
[01:38:57] <jdh> I have no non-oem lipo chargers
[01:38:58] <Jymmm> and .22lr
[01:39:19] <Jymmm> jdh: ?
[01:39:31] <Jymmm> what do you have?
[01:40:17] <jdh> only Li I use is laptop/cell/etc
[01:40:28] <Jymmm> ah
[01:40:40] <andypugh> This is interesting, though. Many shops sell devices to put into a mains socket ostensibly to make them safer. Bit as the sockets already have shutters, these devices are actually relatively dangerous (as they provide small children with a handy tool to open the shuutters). http://www.fatallyflawed.org.uk
[01:41:51] <jdh> I would like one of these Lithium batteries though: http://www.silent-submersion.com/Products/Viper/Viper.html
[01:42:42] <Jymmm> $4000 battery?
[01:43:00] <jdh> nah, LiFe is $1000, LiPo is $1740
[01:43:19] <Jymmm> Ready to dive, to our knowledge the Viper LiFe is the least expensive lithium DPV in the world at only $4250. This includes the VENOM 3 speed electronics.
[01:43:30] <jdh> that's the scooter with the battery.
[01:43:36] <Jymmm> ah
[01:43:42] <jdh> I already have the scooter, with a NiMH battery
[01:44:10] <jdh> kids have been sticking things in outlets for a hundred years. Do any of them ever get hurt?
[01:44:26] <Jymmm> jdh: Only ONCE =)
[01:44:52] <jdh> you never stuck anything in a wall outlet?
[01:45:09] <Jymmm> Only intensionally
[01:45:19] <jdh> me too, it was a screwdriver
[01:45:37] <jdh> 6 holes in a normal outlet... most of them do nothing
[01:45:41] <Jymmm> No, My lighter was empty and I needed to light a cigarette
[01:46:43] <jdh> one of the many perils of smoking
[01:47:32] <Jymmm> take apart a wooden pencil, break graphite into three pieces. Stick two into the socket not/neutral. Twist toilet paper around the middle of the third piece. touch to the other two. FIRE!
[01:47:51] <Jymmm> and a blown CB
[01:48:03] <Jymmm> works every time
[01:48:35] <Jymmm> 110 socket. no idea on 220
[01:51:42] <andypugh> With the resistance of pencil lead, it probably looks like a feasible load.
[01:52:33] <andypugh> (again, why small wires to small devices plugged into 30A mains should have more fuses in the chain)
[01:53:12] <andypugh> What size is the typical US breaker?
[01:53:40] <jdh> 15 or 20
[01:53:44] <Jymmm> residential 15a
[01:53:47] <cradek> normal outlets are almost always 15
[01:53:50] <Jymmm> some are 20
[01:54:02] <andypugh> So, you have one breaker per socket?
[01:54:06] <cradek> hahaha
[01:54:10] <Jymmm> per circuit
[01:54:10] <jdh> not even close
[01:54:12] <andypugh> And all wired radially/
[01:54:15] <cradek> we wish
[01:55:07] <cradek> 15A runs 3-4 outlets and maybe some ceiling lights, pretty much randomly
[01:55:22] <Jymmm> andypugh: we have GFCI circuits/outlets in kitchen, bathroom, and outdoors
[01:55:35] <Jymmm> per code
[01:55:39] <cradek> a house generally has two 240v outlets, for dryer and electric oven
[01:55:49] <jdh> 3-4 outlets? I have way more than that on one circuit
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[01:56:13] <Jymmm> Heh, I have 304 outlets in one gang box =)
[01:56:17] <Jymmm> 3-4
[01:56:18] <cradek> yeah, that's the random part :-)
[01:56:40] * Jymmm hides the 16 outlet power strip
[01:56:46] <jdh> and that was back when copper was cheap
[01:57:18] <Jymmm> jdh: it's still cheap, you just gotta know who to follow =)
[01:57:20] <cradek> I've shuffled them around in my house - still can't run the toaster and microwave together, but that's the only remaining problem
[01:58:05] <Jymmm> lol, I hae every outlet mapped to each CB and a floor plan drawn out
[01:58:41] <cradek> I have an envelope with some notes on it by the breaker box...
[01:58:58] <andypugh> In the UK we have something which is almost clever, and partly stupid. We typically have a ring main. One for upstairs, one for downstairs. It came in when copper was expensive after the war. So, you have a 50A breaker and 30A wires in a ring, out the fuse box, round to every 13A socket on the floor, then back to the fuse box. So, every socket can get power through two routes, and you get 60A capacity from 30A wires, an
[01:58:59] <andypugh> 50A breaker.
[01:59:00] <Jymmm> They wired this place funky...
[01:59:08] <jdh> I have some stuff written in sharpie
[01:59:53] <cradek> andypugh: wild.
[02:00:10] <andypugh> The problem is, if the wire breaks, every socket stilll works, and you don't know that you now have a 50A breaker and 30A wiring.
[02:00:23] <Jymmm> part of the LM goes into the garage, pary of the kitchen goes to the dining rom, the other half of the dining room goes to bedroom1, the other half of bedroom1 goes to bedroom2
[02:00:58] <andypugh> I am not a fan of ring-mains.
[02:01:11] <Jymmm> all the ceiling lights are on one circuit
[02:01:53] <Jymmm> then there's one 20A circuit fore the garabge disposal alone
[02:02:00] <Jymmm> nothing else
[02:02:11] <jdh> I think that is a code requirement
[02:02:20] <Jymmm> ah
[02:02:42] <andypugh> Jymmm: That's partly good. I think current UK regs require lighting and power to be in seperate ground-fault breakers, so that the lights stay on when your vacuum cleaner explodes.
[02:02:43] <cradek> I got a gas range (partly) so I could have that power to run central AC
[02:03:06] <jdh> potdeaw
[02:03:23] <jdh> wonder wtf that was
[02:04:02] <Jymmm> Where's the datasheey damnit! http://www.aliexpress.com/store/product/10-PCS-CS213-SOT-23-6-Li-Ion-Polymer-1Cell-PROTECTOR/608112_524541241.html
[02:04:06] <cradek> probably your password
[02:04:10] <andypugh> (or, in may case, the workshop lights stay on when the VFD pops the breaker, so I can find the fuse box without using my shins to find machine tools in the dark.
[02:04:34] <jdh> nah... putty often makes me mispaste stuff though
[02:04:35] <cradek> yes I'm definitely a believer in separate light circuits for the shop
[02:07:20] <jdh> I have a inside panel that is only 90? amps. When I run my compressor in the summer, it sometimes trips that panel feed (water heater and dryer on same panel)
[02:13:58] <andypugh> You have an effete mains voltage. If you were running 440V 3-phase you would only need 15A
[02:15:36] <jdh> I'd love 3ph for a compressor
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[02:16:20] <andypugh> Does the compressor have a relieving valve?
[02:16:29] <jdh> yep
[02:16:49] <andypugh> So, it starts under no-load?
[02:17:14] <jdh> mostly. It has auto-drains on the high pressure stages. They are NO valves
[02:18:28] <jdh> I wired it so my DP start button closes the contactor and keeps the auto drains open as long as you hold it in.
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[02:18:48] <andypugh> Cunning
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[02:19:26] <andypugh> But I guess the auto-switch isn't as cunning?
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[02:19:58] <jdh> it is just a timer. drains for n seconds every 15 mins
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[02:20:34] <andypugh> Watch eBay for a hydrovane. Quiet, powerful.
[02:20:53] <jdh> 300 bar compressor
[02:21:07] <jdh> afaik, no 300 bar hydrovane
[02:22:22] <jdh> I bought a little PLC for it, did the ladder for it, but decided it made it too painful to debug
[02:22:32] <andypugh> Ah, no. Diving cylinders?
[02:22:45] <jdh> yep
[02:23:33] <andypugh> Not the typical industrial compresor then
[02:23:58] <tjb1> Anyone an electrician or have installed an electrical panel before?
[02:24:07] <jdh> nah, filtration and oil + parts are way too costly for normal use.
[02:24:32] <jdh> but, there are often good deals on used ones but they are typically 3-phase
[02:25:06] <ReadError> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/25091878/Towelie/Photo%20Mar%2015%2C%2010%2021%2006%20PM.jpg
[02:25:12] <ReadError> been a busy beaver tonight
[02:25:18] <andypugh> jdh: VFDs are cheap, and soft-start
[02:25:47] <andypugh> tjb1: What do you mean by "Electrical Panel"
[02:25:56] <tjb1> The panel with the breakers
[02:26:10] <jdh> never seen a cheap one that did 5hp or more without 3-phase input
[02:30:55] <andypugh> tjb1: Which panel, where?
[02:31:08] <tjb1> Main service panel in a house
[02:33:09] <andypugh> Ah, OK. I know nothing about your local regs, and only a bit about mine. I have fitted less than 4, which is a phrase including none. I have no qualifications.
[02:33:30] <tjb1> Just wondering about bus bars
[02:33:41] <tjb1> I have 4 wires coming in, red black white and green
[02:34:06] <jdh> the hot bars alternate. red on one, black on the other
[02:34:14] <tjb1> The new box currently has both bars connected together but the old doesnt so I can just remove the jumper bar and connect the ground bus to the case
[02:34:27] <tjb1> and put all grounds on one bar and all neutrals on the other
[02:34:35] <jdh> oh, those bars
[02:35:03] <jdh> why remove the jumper
[02:35:23] <tjb1> Well in the old box they arent connected
[02:35:36] <jdh> aren't they both connected to teh box?
[02:35:37] <tjb1> and since I have 4 wire feed I assume that they should be separated
[02:36:04] <tjb1> no
[02:36:12] <tjb1> both are isolated, it came with a screw to connect the bar to the box
[02:36:31] <jdh> oh. I've only been in two of mine, they were both connected
[02:36:35] <tjb1> in the old box, the neutral bar is isolated and the ground is part of the case
[02:37:06] <tjb1> From what else I have read in sub panels they have to be separate but in main panels they can be connected
[02:37:27] <tjb1> I'll just follow the old one
[02:38:14] <jdh> mine is a subpanel. It's 20 years old though
[02:39:14] <tjb1> This is a box with screw in fuses with like 3 circuits per fuse
[02:39:33] <tjb1> Idiot who did it before has white wires going to power and red to ground on the 240v lines
[02:39:48] <jdh> heh, that could be painful.
[02:40:21] <tjb1> So I wont be able to just rip them out and go….going to have to check every wire and label
[02:40:31] <andypugh> That's wrong is it?
[02:40:40] <tjb1> yes
[02:40:48] <jdh> it is here.
[02:40:56] <tjb1> 240 should be black-black on power or black-red
[02:40:59] <andypugh> You use balck for live and white for neutral, I think?
[02:41:00] <tjb1> white is always neutral
[02:41:09] <tjb1> green/uncoated is ground
[02:41:26] <andypugh> In the UK we used to have blak neutral, red live.
[02:41:40] <tjb1> makes more sense
[02:41:53] <tjb1> in DC, red is usually hot and black is usually ground
[02:42:02] <andypugh> Then it went to blue neutral, brown live.
[02:42:25] <tjb1> colorful wiring over there
[02:42:51] <jdh> you should see their money!
[02:43:07] <tjb1> heh
[02:43:25] <r00t4rd3d> ReadError, what are all those?
[02:43:25] <andypugh> Then we commonised with the EU, so now black is always either live or neutral.
[02:43:37] <tjb1> live or neutral?
[02:43:43] <jdh> good thing they got that sorted out
[02:44:06] <tjb1> still bad since neutral is a current carrying wire
[02:44:12] <ReadError> r00t4rd3d: quad parts
[02:44:18] <ReadError> hey did you get aspire 4 yet?
[02:44:26] <r00t4rd3d> no
[02:45:23] <r00t4rd3d> its a paid upgrade
[02:46:02] <tjb1> oh you havent found the free one yet? :P
[02:46:58] <ReadError> the demo*
[02:47:29] <tjb1> r00t4rd3d doesn't use demos
[02:47:44] <ReadError> *cough cough wink*
[02:47:46] <andypugh> http://electrical.theiet.org/wiring-regulations/cable-colours/flyer.cfm?type=pdf explains. Single phase is unambigous, but three-phase our old red-yellow-blue + black neutral becomes either brown-black-grey + blue neutral or brown brown brown + blue neutral.
[02:48:54] <tjb1> I don't want to get confused
[02:49:00] <tjb1> Send me that link after I do the panel :)
[02:49:40] <andypugh> Blue was always neutral on single phase, and brown always live, and if you have all the wires it is clear enough, but why did we actually need to change?
[02:50:15] <andypugh> Bloody EU, changing things just because that is their job, not because they need changing.
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[03:34:39] <r00t4rd3d> finally got that stupid 300 word poem done
[03:35:54] <ReadError> pics or lies
[03:39:03] <r00t4rd3d> wet with stain atm
[03:39:46] <tjb1> your camera?
[03:40:37] <r00t4rd3d> everything but
[03:40:55] <tjb1> exactly so go take a picture
[03:41:51] <andypugh> r00t4rd3d: There was a young man from Honshu
[03:41:51] <andypugh> Who tried limericks in haiku,
[03:41:52] <andypugh> But
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[03:51:59] <r00t4rd3d> http://i.imgur.com/57cDod7.jpg
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[03:52:47] <ReadError> whats the gelstain for?
[03:52:53] <ReadError> doesnt soak in like a normal stain?
[03:53:25] <r00t4rd3d> yeah but i sand it off
[03:53:33] <r00t4rd3d> after then letters dry
[03:53:37] <r00t4rd3d> the*
[03:54:10] <r00t4rd3d> none of it is glued, i just put it in the bar clamps for the pic
[03:54:16] <r00t4rd3d> i have a frame for it also
[03:55:21] <ReadError> i need to figure out how to copy a part/toolpath in aspire
[03:55:24] <ReadError> seems like a PITA
[03:55:34] <r00t4rd3d> what do you mean
[03:55:46] <ReadError> im training right now, to change my sleep schedule from waking up at 5am
[03:55:51] <ReadError> til like 7-9pm
[03:56:00] <ReadError> tired :(
[03:56:34] <r00t4rd3d> what you mean copy a part
[03:56:42] <ReadError> so i import a dxf
[03:56:47] <ReadError> make the toolpath
[03:56:51] <ReadError> then i want to plot it out
[03:56:59] <ReadError> or save the part/toolpath
[03:57:13] <ReadError> you would think, hey jack, i can select all this, and paste it
[03:57:17] <ReadError> but nogusta
[03:57:22] <r00t4rd3d> yeah you can
[03:57:25] <ReadError> it copies just the vectors
[03:57:48] <r00t4rd3d> in the tool path menu on the right
[03:57:53] <r00t4rd3d> 3 line of icons
[03:58:05] <r00t4rd3d> 3rd
[03:58:13] <r00t4rd3d> you can copy the tool paths also
[03:58:22] <r00t4rd3d> or tile them
[03:59:48] <ReadError> then it makes a new profile
[04:00:07] <ReadError> oh i see
[04:00:13] <ReadError> then i just select the dxf
[04:00:28] <ReadError> i need 4 son
[04:01:02] <r00t4rd3d> i would just copy and paste the vector then redo the tool path for them
[04:02:06] <r00t4rd3d> use the Edit Toothpath and select the new pasted vectors, calculate
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[04:04:02] <r00t4rd3d> i should send you the dvd and tutorials
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[04:05:29] <nephfl> hello
[04:05:34] <ReadError> oh word
[04:05:37] <ReadError> you got em r00t4rd3d?
[04:05:47] <ReadError> im about to need to plan out some big sheets
[04:06:02] <ReadError> 24x24"
[04:06:05] <ReadError> or 12x24"
[04:06:07] <r00t4rd3d> yeah but its 3.2Gb
[04:06:17] <ReadError> anonfiles?
[04:06:27] <r00t4rd3d> 500Mb limit i think
[04:06:40] <r00t4rd3d> and it would take me 8 years to upload 3gb
[04:07:14] <ReadError> where did you get it?
[04:10:25] <r00t4rd3d> i got it with my software
[04:10:28] <r00t4rd3d> lol
[04:10:53] <ReadError> grrr
[04:11:06] <r00t4rd3d> google and gmail is not fucking working for me for shit
[04:11:22] <r00t4rd3d> really starting to piss me off
[04:12:36] <andypugh> Google is fine for me, but CNCzone is _awful_
[04:12:58] <andypugh> it seems that all is not well in the intertubes
[04:16:41] <r00t4rd3d> seems the cnczone admin cant stop fucking with the site
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[04:40:47] <andypugh> The CNCzone.com-The Largest Machinist Community on the net! database has encountered a problem.
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[07:51:39] <DJ9DJ> moin
[07:51:57] <DJ9DJ> morning Jymmm, today I am a few minutes earlier ;)
[07:52:22] <Jymmm> DJ9DJ: Yes, Yes you are.... G'Morning Sir
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[08:36:18] <Cylly> moin
[08:36:21] <Cylly> moin
[08:38:21] <DJ9DJ> morning Cylly
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[14:27:30] <Jymmm> ReadError: jdh: IF you guys care... http://dx.com/p/universal-intelligent-4-slot-rechargeable-battery-charger-2-flat-pin-plug-100-240v-156756 and http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tb1o4lNYNqk
[14:28:10] <Jymmm> ReadError: No USB like I had mentioned before, but does mix chemistry
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[15:33:24] <cncinator> hi guys, can anyone tell me why my 2.5.2 doesn't find my freshly inserted tools in the tooltable?
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[15:34:18] <Jymmm> Did you restart lcnc?
[15:34:35] <archivist> cncinator, re read the table
[15:35:07] <cncinator> i did, under File and under the tool table
[15:35:14] <archivist> dont have to restart to do it
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[15:37:50] <cncinator> restart did it :x
[15:41:22] <cradek> huh, adding a new tool and poking reload tool table works for me
[15:43:09] <cradek> if you can reproduce it, please explain exactly how
[15:44:55] <skunkworks> cncinator: did you try threading yet?
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[17:57:30] <cncinator> do i need a index pulse for threading when i have a phase a pulse?
[18:02:44] <pcw_home> if you have only one pulse per turn phase A and index are the same
[18:03:45] <cncinator> i do have only 1 pulse per turn, i get the correct speed output at HAL, but g76 does not move
[18:04:24] <cncinator> it only does the preparation move for the first cut on the X axis, but stays there
[18:05:53] <archivist> have you selected the right mode for a single slot
[18:07:28] <cncinator> what mode?
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[18:14:44] <archivist> or connect the index in to the A input, as it is waiting on an index pulse
[18:15:49] <cncinator> you mean a separte cable that connects to the index in to the bob?
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[18:16:32] <IchGuckLive> hi all
[18:16:57] <IchGuckLive> second day of total plasma worked fine powermax45 did a 4hr stint
[18:17:08] <IchGuckLive> at 3-12mm
[18:17:19] <IchGuckLive> O.O B)
[18:18:15] <archivist> cncinator, you can do it in hal
[18:19:00] <pcw_home> Yes, inside HAL the parallel port pin that connects to the sensor needs to connect to both A and Index
[18:19:13] <IchGuckLive> does he almost have the trouble with the Z zero
[18:19:25] <IchGuckLive> it is so easy
[18:19:51] <IchGuckLive> i use a Mcode reap to zero the part with G92 Z0
[18:20:11] <cncinator> where do i find the setting in hal?
[18:20:24] <IchGuckLive> you need to write it in
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[18:20:45] <IchGuckLive> cncinator: where are you form in the world
[18:20:55] <cncinator> austria
[18:21:00] <IchGuckLive> im in germany
[18:21:09] <IchGuckLive> so it ist better to go german maybe
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[18:22:27] <archivist> google is failing to show an example :)
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[18:51:53] <IchGuckLive> archivist: http://www.linuxcnc.org/docs/2.4/html/examples_spindle.html#sec:Spindle-Synchronized-Motion
[18:56:35] <skunkworks> cncinator: you need net spindle-phase-z <= parport.0.pin-11-in-not in your hal file - if you don't
[18:57:18] <skunkworks> sorry
[18:57:28] <skunkworks> cncinator: you need net spindle-spindle-index <= parport.0.pin-11-in-not in your hal file - if you don't
[18:58:02] <skunkworks> cncinator: you alrady have net spindle-phase-a <= parport.0.pin-11-in-not
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[19:09:58] <skunkworks> jeeze!!!
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[19:10:25] <cncinator> hi skunkworks
[19:10:29] <skunkworks> cncinator: net spindle-index <= parport.0.pin-11-in-not
[19:10:38] <skunkworks> wait
[19:11:13] <cncinator> ok
[19:11:34] <skunkworks> Hi
[19:11:39] <cncinator> hey :)
[19:13:02] <cncinator> net spindle-index <= parport.0.pin-11-in-not just gives that allready used pin error
[19:16:08] <cncinator> how to link something that isn't linkable?
[19:16:23] <archivist> he also says something like net parport.0.pin-11-in-not => spindle-index => spindle-phase-a fails with error line 54: Pin 'spindle-index' does not exist
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[19:17:54] <Skullworks> SF mailing list down?
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[19:19:48] <Skullworks> last digest I received was Vol 83, Issue 26 a week ago.
[19:20:40] <cpresser> cncinator: most likely parport.0.pin-11-in-not is already connected to a net
[19:20:48] <cpresser> see if you can rename that net to 'spindle-index'
[19:21:27] <cncinator> ofc its allready connected, i only have one sensor for 'spindle-index' and 'spindle-phase-a'
[19:21:33] <mrsun> hmm using wick feed oiler or drip feed .. that is the question :P
[19:22:00] <skunkworks> cncinator: give me a second.. ;)
[19:22:08] <archivist> cncinator, net parport.0.pin-11-in-not => spindle-index => spindle-phase-a connects two at a time it should work
[19:22:53] <archivist> mrsun, both about the same
[19:24:10] <mrsun> do they booth keep feeding oil till its empty if the oil leaks some or is one of them better? :)
[19:24:11] <cncinator> nope, that just gives Pin 'spindle-index' does not exist
[19:24:18] <mrsun> if you forget to turn of the drip feeder :P
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[19:29:47] <skunkworks> archivist: you cant connect a signal to a signal
[19:29:53] <skunkworks> I think
[19:30:34] <archivist> should be able to connect inputs together
[19:32:56] <skunkworks> encoder.0.phase-Z
[19:33:20] <skunkworks> heh
[19:33:24] <skunkworks> net spindle-phase-a encoder.0.phase-A encoder.0.phase-Z
[19:33:26] <skunkworks> net spindle-phase-b encoder.0.phase-B
[19:33:27] <skunkworks> #net spindle-index encoder.0.phase-Z
[19:34:02] <skunkworks> then net spindle-phase-a <= parport.0.pin-11-in-not
[19:34:12] <skunkworks> try that
[19:34:25] <cncinator> evrything into the .hal?
[19:37:26] <skunkworks> well - you need to see what is there and modify..
[19:38:01] <cncinator> it starts now
[19:39:16] <skunkworks> but does it work?
[19:40:57] <cncinator> wohoo
[19:41:03] <cncinator> its threading NOW :D
[19:43:07] <skunkworks> Yah!
[19:43:57] <cncinator> it threaded air, just to test - but i dont think it used the backlash compensation
[19:51:08] <DJ9DJ> threaded air... to put siemens lufthaken in it?
[19:51:45] <cncinator> lol yeah ^^
[19:52:00] <DJ9DJ> ^^
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[19:56:22] <skunkworks> cncinator: we also need videos.. :)
[19:57:06] <skunkworks> do you still have net spindle-position encoder.0.position-interpolated => motion.spindle-revs
[19:57:09] <DJ9DJ> yeah, otherwise it did not happen ;)
[19:57:14] <skunkworks> change in your hal file?
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[20:06:29] <cncinator> my machine did the best threading job i ever saw in her life!!
[20:06:45] <cncinator> and its rlyrly much faster then with mach3
[20:06:47] <cncinator> amazing
[20:07:36] <archivist> cncinator, when you get brave internal threads http://www.collection.archivist.info/archive/DJCPD/PD/2012/2012_05_06_Leawood/IMG_1240.JPG
[20:09:23] <skunkworks> cncinator: Great!
[20:11:24] <cncinator> archivist, i'll try internal tomorrow- have to rewrite all my old mach3 codes
[20:13:07] <cncinator> that feed correcture is amazing
[20:13:28] <cncinator> i havnt saw that in mach3, guess thats why i had 2 pitches sometimes
[20:13:48] <cncinator> "on the fly correction"
[20:13:58] <archivist> mach is screwed up with regard to threading
[20:15:49] <cncinator> have to upload a image now ^^
[20:17:45] <cncinator> http://i49.tinypic.com/v76xco.jpg
[20:17:49] <cncinator> first linuxcnclathe job M14x1
[20:19:26] <archivist> :)
[20:21:40] <cncinator> thank you guys, again
[20:21:47] <skunkworks> pretty!
[20:22:22] <cncinator> cant understand now why some ppl still use mach3 lol
[20:22:56] <skunkworks> they are all waiting for mach4 ;)
[20:24:08] <cncinator> mach4 got discontinued... ?
[20:24:24] <skunkworks> no - it just isn't out yet.. been years.
[20:24:59] <cncinator> at the arcsoft forum it says they implented the "worked on mach4 features" just to mach3 and thats it :x
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[20:29:41] <skunkworks> any video? ;)
[20:30:38] <cncinator> need my telephone to hang out the window for 3g tethering xD
[20:30:51] <cncinator> ill do one tomorrow with internal threading
[20:31:23] <cncinator> or do you want a external thread?
[20:32:29] <skunkworks> whatever you got ;)
[20:32:48] <cncinator> ill do what u want :P
[20:32:53] <cncinator> int / ext?
[20:33:18] <skunkworks> ext
[20:33:28] <cncinator> dimension?
[20:34:21] <cncinator> stainless / alu?
[20:36:01] <skunkworks> oh - whatever you are working on. Don't do anything special..
[20:36:43] <cncinator> ;)
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[20:40:28] <cncinator> thanks again, and bb until tomorrow :)
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[22:21:15] <asdfasd> just burned a CD with last linuxcnc, but when boot asking for user and pass, I cant find anything about that, how to login
[22:21:41] <Jymmm> hit enter
[22:22:25] <asdfasd> authentification failure
[22:22:31] <asdfasd> and then start over again
[22:23:06] <Jymmm> Didn't it ask you during install for a userid to create?
[22:23:17] <asdfasd> not installed yet
[22:23:23] <asdfasd> first boot from cd
[22:23:43] <Jymmm> downoaded from where?
[22:24:08] <asdfasd> http://linuxcnc.org/index.php/english/download
[22:24:18] <asdfasd> EU mirror
[22:24:33] <asdfasd> then md5 check fine
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[22:24:39] <asdfasd> then burned a CD
[22:24:46] <asdfasd> then boot from CD
[22:33:18] <asdfasd> it look like bad CD on the next boot show something different, Im going to burn now another CD
[22:36:07] <DJ9DJ> gn8
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[22:39:38] <skunkworks> asdfasd: is it a text login? or gui?
[22:44:05] <asdfasd> gui, but the CD is bad, now Im burning another
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[22:56:30] <asdfasd> now installation begin properly, it look like linux smell my fear :)
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[23:07:43] <Skullworks> The trick to being a computer Wizard is having a full collection of curses as well as mastery of shell commands.
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[23:25:50] <Jymmm> Ah hell no... fdisk, dd, and a stack of OS ISO's is all ya need.
[23:26:44] <Jymmm> rsync doens't hurt either
[23:29:39] <cpresser> real wizards use butterflies. http://xkcd.com/378/
[23:41:46] <asdfasd> installed, now charge pump frequency too high, can I make it 5khz
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[23:51:14] <andypugh> asdfasd: I would imagine so.
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[23:55:07] <Tecan> is there such thing as a compressed file system ?
[23:55:20] <Tecan> for main os use
[23:56:13] <Tecan> guess thats what the archive is fore, just most of the time large archives are slow to use
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[23:58:10] <andypugh> There used to be, but I think it rarther went out of fashion.
[23:58:26] <cpresser> some are still used for read-only filesystems
[23:58:36] <andypugh> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doublespace
[23:58:53] <asdfasd> andypugh: the input optocoupler for charge pump is slow, and cant pass through higher than 5khz
[23:59:16] <andypugh> I have been in the workshop, and not paying attention.
[23:59:26] <cpresser> Tecan: i recall that there is also a rw-fs for FUSE
[23:59:29] <andypugh> What sort of system is it?