#linuxcnc | Logs for 2013-02-17

[00:08:53] <r00t4rd3d> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ca7xQYwzQ80&feature=player_embedded
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[00:30:08] <r00t4rd3d> nascar!
[00:31:06] <ReadError> order your collets yet?
[00:33:38] <Tom_itx> wow i think i'm finally gettin a handle on the lathe package
[00:34:09] <Tom_itx> by itself it's simple but when you import files from a milling package all the axis are screwed up
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[00:46:06] <r00t4rd3d> ReadError, no
[00:46:26] <r00t4rd3d> broke
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[01:11:59] <tjb1> Hi fellas
[01:12:57] <ReadError> just the man i needed to bother
[01:13:05] <ReadError> how did you tension your R&P drive belts?
[01:13:16] <ReadError> like i know using a clamp
[01:13:21] <ReadError> but how did you decide how tight
[01:13:41] <tjb1> as tight as I could get them
[01:13:51] <tjb1> infact I am buying springs right now to keep them right
[01:13:53] <tjb1> *tight
[01:14:14] <tjb1> www.mcmaster.com/#9271K635
[01:14:35] <ReadError> hows that gonna go on the belt?
[01:15:05] <tjb1> uh let me see if i can get picture
[01:17:19] <ReadError> i was worried if i had them too tight the motors would have too much drag/shred up the belts
[01:19:08] <tjb1> https://www.dropbox.com/s/j2zyydueviipahm/Screen%20Shot%202013-02-16%20at%208.17.58%20PM.png
[01:19:33] <tjb1> Im not sure if I want 270 or 360
[01:22:18] <tjb1> What do you think?
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[01:32:24] <ReadError> ohhh
[01:32:30] <ReadError> i mean on your CRP ones
[01:34:01] <tjb1> Oh lol
[01:34:21] <tjb1> as tight as I could get them by hand
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[02:00:51] <tjb1> r00t4rd3d: after using torque on the way home
[02:00:57] <tjb1> im gonna have to dash mount mine
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[02:28:52] <mrsun> Jymmm, ye that is not from a meterite, thats the gates of hell or whatever its called :P
[02:30:44] <mrsun> the hole of gas lit on fire and still burning somewhere in turky or wahtever it is :P
[02:31:43] <mrsun> kinda giveaway that it has flat sides... like thousands of cubic meters just have gone away :P
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[02:35:40] <mrsun> "door to hell" it was
[02:40:11] <AR__> oh man
[02:40:24] <AR__> I think I'm about done with my cnc mill
[02:40:53] <AR__> >that feel when you put on motors and see controlled motion
[02:41:05] <mrsun> done ? :P
[02:41:27] <AR__> lol
[02:41:33] <AR__> uploading pics
[02:42:08] <mrsun> i started my cnc like 5 or 6 years ago
[02:42:14] <mrsun> i never get done :P
[02:42:24] <mrsun> sure it works ... but its not perfected :P
[02:43:11] <AR__> true
[02:43:19] <AR__> oh mine still needs plenty of improvements
[02:43:32] <AR__> but the basic machine is together finally
[02:43:34] <AR__> http://i.imgur.com/ExOg6bh.jpg
[02:43:49] <AR__> (disregard how the Z motor looks like it is falling over)
[02:44:17] <mrsun> omg the Z motor is falling over!
[02:44:20] <AR__> lol
[02:44:35] <mrsun> yeah, always fun to see stuff move =)
[02:44:58] <AR__> well, to be honest i honely powered up the Z to make sure the motor could lift it
[02:45:00] <AR__> and it does
[02:45:09] <AR__> only*
[02:45:15] <AR__> wtf weird typo
[02:45:21] <mrsun> :P
[02:45:27] <mrsun> still, something moved :P
[02:45:33] <AR__> yeah
[02:45:44] <mrsun> what size motor is it ?
[02:45:54] <mrsun> power that is :P
[02:45:58] <mrsun> not frame
[02:46:04] <AR__> i think only like 160 oz-in
[02:46:27] <AR__> yeah 166
[02:46:28] <mrsun> i use 1.8Nm motors for lifting cast iron head with a hanging 0.5kw motor on it without a problem =)
[02:46:36] <mrsun> gah oz-in ...
[02:46:44] <mrsun> two of the worst measurments in the world .. combined!
[02:47:09] <AR__> yeah
[02:47:18] <mrsun> oh 1.17Nm
[02:47:19] <AR__> 166oz-in is 1.1722176043327799 Nm
[02:47:23] <mrsun> :P
[02:47:25] <AR__> lol
[02:47:50] <mrsun> i want to upgrade my motors to the biggest i can get in nema23 frame
[02:47:51] <AR__> yeah, stepper motors are pretty powerful little things at low speeds
[02:48:10] <mrsun> to make sure i have the power and not lose steps
[02:48:12] <AR__> yeah
[02:48:24] <mrsun> or i have to put on an encoder
[02:48:42] <mrsun> got one hole in the table so far ...
[02:48:48] <mrsun> due to lost steps in the Z+ :P
[02:49:06] <mrsun> then plunged straight down into the table with a 4mm carbide cutter .... needless to say it didnt stop or break
[02:49:09] <tjb1> ReadError: so do you have all the pieces now?
[02:49:19] <AR__> haha
[02:49:21] <ReadError> tjb1, extrusions be here tuesday
[02:49:28] <ReadError> so i been doing all the other stuff
[02:49:36] <tjb1> pro?
[02:49:38] <AR__> well that's pretty impressive in a way, mrsun
[02:49:38] <mrsun> and i have no E-stop button :P
[02:49:39] <AR__> lol
[02:49:39] <ReadError> only thing left is to finish up my power box and do the Z axis
[02:49:41] <ReadError> yea i went pro
[02:49:47] <ReadError> 15$ upgrade
[02:49:51] <tjb1> got pics?
[02:50:03] <ReadError> well its just all scattered across my table right now
[02:50:11] <mrsun> but got it stopped a bit into the table atlast by panic smashing the screen with my body
[02:50:33] <tjb1> I have my pendant
[02:50:41] <AR__> lool
[02:51:37] <ReadError> AR__, put a sharpie on it
[02:51:38] <ReadError> and draw!
[02:52:17] <ReadError> thats how i learned to touchoff and stuff
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[02:52:26] <tjb1> I need a way to mark the letters on my rubber buttons on the pendant
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[02:52:29] <tjb1> sharpie rubs off :(
[02:52:39] <ReadError> label maker ?
[02:53:03] <tjb1> There is raised letter
[02:53:08] <tjb1> lettering
[02:53:15] <tjb1> Its just the same color as the button...
[02:53:48] <AR__> lol ReadError
[02:54:02] <ReadError> srs AR__
[02:54:02] <ReadError> do it
[02:54:11] <AR__> tjb1, scratch off the paint on the raised letter
[02:54:20] <tjb1> Its solid rubber
[02:54:23] <AR__> oh
[02:54:26] <tjb1> solid white rubber
[02:54:43] <tjb1> I dont know if paint will stick or not but thats the next try
[02:54:45] <AR__> memorize them
[02:54:56] <tjb1> paint glass real heavy and just lay the button on the glass
[02:55:07] <mrsun> https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=F-8KH18ZMqQ#! vs http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KGHxVW1NbrQ anyone see any similiarites? :P
[02:55:26] <ReadError> tjb1, did you get the one from kickstarter?
[02:55:31] <tjb1> yes
[02:55:34] <AR__> tjb1, or paint the whole button and rub off the raised letter
[02:55:41] <AR__> which one from kickstarter
[02:55:44] <AR__> how much did it cost
[02:55:46] <tjb1> jogit
[02:55:51] <ReadError> the bastard didnt put labels on it?
[02:55:52] <tjb1> $60 i think
[02:55:54] <ReadError> bum
[02:56:24] <tjb1> Im going to put USB at each end of my extrusions
[02:56:27] <tjb1> so I can just plug it in anywhere
[02:56:28] <AR__> bleh
[02:56:49] <tjb1> http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1651082654/jog-it-open-source-controller-pendant-for-emc2-and
[02:58:19] <tjb1> Well I know they arent urethane
[03:00:13] <ReadError> do you have a label maker ?
[03:00:18] <ReadError> they are cheap and useful if not
[03:00:33] <AR__> oh god
[03:00:38] <AR__> $60 for that?
[03:00:44] <AR__> what's so special about it?
[03:01:05] <tjb1> Nothing really
[03:01:27] <ReadError> useful for a big router/plasma though
[03:01:31] <tjb1> ReadError: http://www.amazon.com/Sunon-40x40x20mm-pin-fan-KDE1204PKVX/dp/B006ODM76C/ref=cm_cr_pr_product_top
[03:01:36] <tjb1> Gonna put two of those on the printer
[03:01:50] <ReadError> tjb1, I run a giant 230mm fan ;)
[03:01:58] <ReadError> thing moves some air
[03:02:02] <tjb1> These mount to the X cariage itself
[03:02:07] <ReadError> yea
[03:02:54] <tjb1> http://www.thingiverse.com/thing:23060
[03:05:12] <tjb1> ReadError: Can you find a USB plug on amazon that like snaps in a hole or something
[03:05:24] <ReadError> tjb1, print one ;)
[03:05:35] <tjb1> Well I need the plug too...
[03:05:39] <ReadError> and use a USB extension cable
[03:05:49] <ReadError> i got a 15' usb extender cable
[03:06:41] <tjb1> I suppose...
[03:06:58] <tjb1> Im going to put 4 plugs on it that go into a usb hub then to the comp
[03:07:02] <tjb1> plug the pendant in anywhere
[03:09:06] <ReadError> why not just 1 extension cable where you can walk all the way around
[03:09:10] <ReadError> 4 seems like an overkill
[03:09:26] <tjb1> because I want a port at each end
[03:09:30] <tjb1> lol
[03:09:31] <ReadError> at most 2
[03:09:33] <ReadError> 1 on each end
[03:09:41] <ReadError> your table is 4' wide ?
[03:09:52] <tjb1> about 6
[03:10:02] <ReadError> so yea that would give you plenty of room to move with it
[03:10:07] <tjb1> it cuts a sheet 4' wide
[03:11:48] <tjb1> You know...
[03:11:54] <tjb1> I could do this at all 4 corners for $6 more
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[03:17:35] <tjb1> Ok just 2 ends...
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[03:23:33] <tjb1> any other questions about it ReadError ?
[03:23:54] <ReadError> still bummed he didnt put labels on the keys ;/
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[03:25:26] <tjb1> You got one of those?
[03:25:36] <ReadError> nah
[03:25:55] <tjb1> Ill try paint here soon...
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[03:26:28] <ReadError> what about the industrial sharpie ?
[03:26:40] <ReadError> saw them at lowes today
[03:27:25] <tjb1> Industrial?
[03:27:34] <ReadError> yea
[03:27:39] <ReadError> they make industrial sharpies now
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[03:28:32] <ReadError> http://www.staples.com/Sharpie-Industrial-Extra-Fine-Point-Permanent-Marker-Black-Each/product_752063?cid=PS:GooglePLAs:752063&KPID=752063
[03:28:37] <tjb1> I dont think that is much different
[03:28:57] <tjb1> I need fat tip
[03:29:04] <ReadError> they make them in both
[03:29:08] <ReadError> lowes has the normal ones
[03:29:17] <tjb1> Ill try paint
[03:29:19] <tjb1> Cheaper
[03:29:31] <ReadError> got a pic of it?
[03:29:36] <ReadError> the finished product version
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[03:29:47] <tjb1> ill get you one tomorrow
[03:29:50] <tjb1> phone = internet at home
[03:30:55] <ReadError> you on that 4g tho aint you?
[03:31:05] <tjb1> yes
[03:31:15] <tjb1> but phone cant move or I lose internet
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[04:41:48] <r00t4rd3d> lol
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[05:03:44] <tjb1> r00t4rd3d: I ordered a dash mount
[05:03:45] <tjb1> $12
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[05:16:36] <r00t4rd3d> is it crap?
[05:18:12] <r00t4rd3d> the ram mount is really nice
[05:18:58] <tjb1> http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B004M8ST36/ref=oh_details_o00_s01_i01?ie=UTF8&psc=1
[05:20:24] <r00t4rd3d> http://www.gpscity.com/ram-mount-tab-tite-small-tablet-suction-cup-mount.html
[05:21:09] <tjb1> yeah $60 vs $12
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[05:22:02] <r00t4rd3d> you get what you pay for
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[05:22:43] <r00t4rd3d> https://secure.highpointscientific.com/c=q1jtNo9RaG3Wk8FGrNx5Ms1dG/s=www.highpointscientific.com/product/ORI-52096/Orion-Mounting-Bracket-for-iPadTablets-52096.html
[05:23:03] <tjb1> I look rich?
[05:24:00] <r00t4rd3d> the orion is only 34
[05:24:16] <tjb1> 34 > 12
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[05:24:40] <r00t4rd3d> cheap suction cup, crappy grip, corner.
[05:24:41] <tjb1> get your router running yet?
[05:24:49] <r00t4rd3d> nope
[05:25:20] <tjb1> why the hell not
[05:25:53] <r00t4rd3d> waiting for it to warm up some
[05:26:35] <r00t4rd3d> been working on my bicycle
[05:27:16] <r00t4rd3d> http://i.imgur.com/XuDOhIr.jpg
[05:28:09] <tjtr33> you get popeye arms polishing that much
[05:29:30] <r00t4rd3d> i took the whole thing apart and cleaned the fucked up chinese casting
[05:31:39] <tjtr33> looks nice, you gonna powder coat it? keep it shiny?
[05:31:54] <r00t4rd3d> nah, they dont last long enough
[05:32:39] <r00t4rd3d> this one might though, its a Grubee
[05:32:47] <tjtr33> i read a rough surface cooled better, turbulation at the surface
[05:33:06] <tjtr33> better heat transfer
[05:36:15] <r00t4rd3d> I got about 1000 miles out of my last engine
[05:37:51] <tjtr33> thats great! i got <300 on mine and its too cold to ride now at 12deg
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[05:57:22] <tjtr33> re gladevcp: i have data files for edm, (on off current tragetVoltage cuttime jumptime oberflache untermass...)
[05:57:29] <tjtr33> I can read the files and set them hardware using python already,
[05:57:29] <tjtr33> but want to display it to user and allow him to change the data as well. can gladevcp help do this?
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[06:00:45] <tjtr33> i suppose the q is, 1)can data be read from a file and displayed in gladevcp.
[06:00:53] <tjtr33> then, 2)can that date be edited, and the change event re-write the hardware
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[06:05:32] <tjtr33> data like this http://pastebin.com/2AN4ATxz
[06:07:27] <tjtr33> read like this http://pastebin.com/3e1E4wGT
[06:08:19] <tjtr33> but how to get data back to the user interface?
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[06:16:56] <tjtr33> looks do-able, make the data global in the handler from the wiki page '''global nhits nhits += 1 gtkobj.set_label("hits: %d" % nhits)'''
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[06:24:29] <r00t4rd3d> wrong hour for them questions
[06:26:50] <tjtr33> yah
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[06:51:41] <tjtr33> setting the values global is not neccesary, this gladevcp can determine the identity of widgets by name and set attributes at will, pretty cool ( i can read a file and set a field, and read a field and set a pin :)))
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[07:35:48] <tjtr33> ok, got a place to display data, tomorrow, read files and, update fields, chg hdwr accordingly nitey nite http://imagebin.org/247040
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[08:05:16] <DJ9DJ> moin
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[09:07:06] <Jymmm> SOB!
[09:07:17] <Jymmm> I just cut myself on the machette
[09:07:22] <DJ9DJ> good morning Jymmm
[09:07:31] <Jymmm> Ok, I think I sharpened it enough!!!
[09:07:50] <DJ9DJ> while shaving?
[09:08:07] <Jymmm> No, honing it
[09:08:20] <DJ9DJ> :)
[09:08:23] <Jymmm> well, the back edge of it
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[10:00:42] <nevyn> are you making a machette slingshot?
[10:01:13] <nevyn> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TSU1jQoGIqo
[10:06:12] <Jymmm> nevyn: No, I was reshaping the back edge on my $20 Cold Steel Kukari Machete http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6adwuGQyHjM
[10:07:36] <Jymmm> Barely nicked me, but damn did it bleed!
[10:07:53] <Jymmm> Are here I thought I need to sharpen it a lot more.
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[13:56:28] <Jymmm> NEVER EVER Go on a wilderness trip without knowing the reputation of your pilot http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ftL-SVfMmX4
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[16:14:24] <jdh> anyone have a generic 8.5x11 dxf title block?
[16:16:14] <r00t4rd3d> you just need a square box with those dimensions?
[16:16:34] <Tom_itx> what size paper is that?
[16:16:35] <jdh> generally has name, date, revs, scale, etc.
[16:16:36] <Tom_itx> D?
[16:16:41] <r00t4rd3d> oh
[16:16:48] <jdh> A
[16:17:01] <JT-Shop> 8.5 x 11 is A
[16:17:22] <r00t4rd3d> what are you doing?
[16:17:31] <jdh> drawing
[16:17:45] <r00t4rd3d> of what
[16:17:52] <jdh> a title block
[16:18:13] <Tom_itx> one sec
[16:18:29] <r00t4rd3d> whats the title block for?
[16:18:42] <jdh> so teh drawing will look pretty and have useful information.
[16:18:56] <JT-Shop> Tom_itx: you got this covered?
[16:19:16] <jdh> actually, a template with layers for centers, dims, etc would be cool also.
[16:19:17] <r00t4rd3d> ffs man you know what im asking
[16:19:20] <Tom_itx> http://tom-itx.dyndns.org:81/~webpage/emc/
[16:19:25] <Tom_itx> a-title
[16:19:45] <jdh> r00t: I'm making a drawing of a part that I will cut. I want a title block for the overall drawing.
[16:20:05] <Tom_itx> ^^
[16:20:29] <jdh> Tom: excellent! thanks
[16:21:12] <jdh> I could make a new set, it just isn't very fulfilling.
[16:21:27] <r00t4rd3d> what kinda part?
[16:22:08] <jdh> r00t: http://www.scubatools.com/images/Product/large/20-240-200.jpg
[16:22:29] <ReadError> http://www.sunsky-online.com/view/246719/Original+Replacement+LCD+Screen+for+New+iPad++iPad+3+.htm
[16:22:33] <ReadError> noms
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[16:23:36] <r00t4rd3d> u break yours?
[16:24:42] <ReadError> no
[16:24:45] <ReadError> but thats a nice hack
[16:24:53] <ReadError> retina display for 65$
[16:25:17] <Icekiller> I have hiwin 15mm rails, a few of the wagons are missing balls :s anyone know wher i can get them,
[16:25:55] <r00t4rd3d> liquor store?
[16:26:28] <Jymmm> wth kind of liquor store have you been going to?
[16:26:56] <jdh> heh... draftsight crashed adding text to the titleblock
[16:28:00] <JT-Shop> draftsight does not come with sample title blocks?
[16:28:07] <jdh> not that I see.
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[16:38:10] <Jymmm> Icekiller:
[16:38:42] <Jymmm> ~~~ balls for reloading ballscrews etc http://www.precisionballs.com/
[16:39:34] <DJ9DJ> balls of steel? :D
[16:40:03] <Jymmm> DJ9DJ: steel, ceramic, fluffy stuff
[16:44:20] <Jymmm> Icekiller: They are some really nice folks down there. Just tell them what you are trying to do and they'll help you out.
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[16:56:38] <Icekiller> Jymmm where are they based?
[16:56:46] <Icekiller> ah US.. i'm europe
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[17:31:39] <psha> Icekiller: not only us
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[17:38:38] <micges> psha: are you near meteor strike?
[17:39:17] <micges> ah he left, didn't notice
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[17:41:24] <Icekiller> i've send them a message :)
[17:41:41] <Icekiller> anyone know what kind of bearings they use in a bk12 ?
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[17:47:51] <jdh> are you going to make your own bearing block?
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[18:47:18] <tjtr33> gladevcp for edm reading data files, displaying & setting hal pins http://videobin.org/+6dv/79w.html
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[18:57:16] <Icekiller> jdh kinda
[18:57:27] <cncbasher__> tjtr33: nice
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[19:11:06] <JesusAlos> hi
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[19:41:17] <jthornton> cncbasher, you have mail
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[19:42:55] <JesusAlos> there are any possibility that when linuxcnc finish a file, restart it automatically?
[19:43:47] <JesusAlos> it's when finish the route, start again of start route
[19:45:26] <jthornton> a number of times or forever?
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[19:52:36] <micges> JesusAlos: use WHILE in gcode
[19:54:04] <micges> JesusAlos: http://www.linuxcnc.org/docs/html/gcode/o-code.html#sec:looping
[19:54:05] <JesusAlos> yes, infinite
[19:55:16] <JesusAlos> micges: this example is for g-code?
[19:55:26] <JesusAlos> or need modific a linuxcnc?
[19:55:31] <micges> gcode
[19:56:37] <micges> realtime ethernet under linuxcnc: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n6DdWQ25Ur8
[19:58:29] <JesusAlos> I think that is no very easy way for final users
[19:59:34] <micges> what? loops in gcode?
[20:00:43] <JesusAlos> the finals user don't must be modific the g-code
[20:01:18] <JesusAlos> they create a dxf file, then convert to g-code with dxf2gcode for example
[20:01:38] <micges> if its infinite then they don't have to modifiy it, just load to emc and run
[20:02:12] <Tom_itx> JT-Shop you around?
[20:05:58] <JesusAlos> I try example, but it finish
[20:06:11] <JesusAlos> not infinite route
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[20:11:08] <Tom_itx> i think i find something new on my cad cam every time i use it now
[20:11:24] <Tom_itx> didn't use it but for mill before
[20:12:07] <Tom_itx> supposedly it will post gcode inch or metric no matter the drawing format
[20:12:38] <Tom_itx> we never did metric so i never bothered looking
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[20:16:02] <JesusAlos> I thinking...
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[20:16:38] <JesusAlos> there are a cript to generate a sawtooth?
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[20:17:34] <JesusAlos> like an executable file that put a number of teeth, lengh and height
[20:24:56] <Tom_itx> what sort of sawtooth?
[20:25:55] <JesusAlos> scuare
[20:26:13] <JesusAlos> triangle
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[20:30:12] <r00t4rd3d> i just took a job and my machine is in pieces :/
[20:32:03] <micges> broken or not built yet?
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[20:36:36] <r00t4rd3d> took it apart to upgrade it
[20:37:02] <r00t4rd3d> and brought all my computer gear inside to protect from the cold
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[20:38:58] <r00t4rd3d> 6 hour cut job though and the guy didnt flinch at my number
[20:39:31] <r00t4rd3d> http://www.poemhunter.com/poem/if/
[20:39:40] <r00t4rd3d> that poem into a piece of oak
[20:39:41] <r00t4rd3d> lol
[20:39:54] <ReadError> you already finished it?
[20:39:55] <roh> hm. i think i need a cam system i can use like openscad for cad.
[20:40:00] <r00t4rd3d> havent even started it
[20:40:08] <r00t4rd3d> besides the dxf
[20:40:10] <Loetmichel> re @ home
[20:40:15] <roh> what do you use for programming your gcodes?
[20:40:58] <Tom_itx> smartcam
[20:41:28] <r00t4rd3d> i use aspire
[20:41:29] <r00t4rd3d> http://imgur.com/a/6ATmo
[20:41:37] <r00t4rd3d> thats what im doin lol
[20:42:59] <r00t4rd3d> ive centered the text between the flourishes since that pic
[20:43:08] <r00t4rd3d> for any eagle eyes
[20:43:56] <r00t4rd3d> 12x28
[20:44:00] <r00t4rd3d> $175
[20:44:37] <roh> hm. too bad. both are win32 only and dont support parametric working.
[20:45:08] <roh> also much too expensive. if i'd had 2keuro i would buy a toolchanger
[20:46:17] <r00t4rd3d> aspire pays for itself, not that I would know.
[20:46:41] <roh> but nobody pays me for the pain of needing a win32 machine and use it.
[20:46:56] <r00t4rd3d> Ive wined it before
[20:47:03] <r00t4rd3d> ran fine
[20:47:07] <roh> not a solution. wine is a bad excuse.
[20:47:28] <roh> if i would be paying money for sw, i'd never pay for non-native.
[20:47:38] <roh> but the parametric thing is much more important.
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[20:49:38] <micges> roh: http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?Cam
[20:50:24] <roh> micges: tried lots of those already... but its usually a lot of manual work or half-done sw.
[20:50:43] <roh> micges: so i was hoping of finding someone who actually USES a parametric cam somewhere.
[20:51:02] <micges> try on emc list
[20:51:17] <micges> there are much more users there
[20:51:52] <roh> i even evaluated cambam since i currently have 2.5d stuff to do.. but then it crashed the hell out of me on simple dxf files and i gave up on it.
[20:52:10] <r00t4rd3d> what exactly do you mean by parametric? example?
[20:52:32] <ReadError> i think its where you can change stuff symmetrically
[20:52:37] <roh> micges: actually i am kinda surprised.. emc2 is such a nice foss solution to a real world problem, but the cam seems like a minefield of broken parts
[20:52:54] <ReadError> or like change grow/shrink a dimension
[20:52:59] <ReadError> alot of the 3d printer stuff is like that
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[20:53:22] <ReadError> roh: cam has a bit of a learning curve
[20:53:26] <ReadError> atleast for me
[20:53:35] <ReadError> but now that i have a better understanding, im much better with it
[20:53:37] <roh> r00t4rd3d: my cad files are made parametric more often than not. so i want my cam also have that feature. change settings anywhere, rerun the whole shebang and be able to have a reproduceable result.
[20:53:57] <ReadError> roh: solidworks plugin
[20:54:05] <roh> ReadError: sure. but i need to get away from manually working over every line of gcode in the end. (which is what i currently do)
[20:54:06] <ReadError> like with hsmxpress
[20:54:09] <ReadError> you can change the part
[20:54:18] <ReadError> and it will re-do the gcode
[20:54:24] <roh> ReadError: no win32, no 2k euro sw.
[20:54:51] <ReadError> well i hate to tell you, but if you want a decent/free linux cam package, you might be SOL
[20:54:59] <t12> speaking of cam
[20:55:00] <ReadError> theres heekscnc
[20:55:03] <t12> anyone have much hsmworks expirence?
[20:55:18] <roh> the last few milling jobs i generated the toolpath with heeks and manally hacked that up to be useable
[20:55:20] <ReadError> t12: I use the free one
[20:55:21] <ReadError> whats up
[20:55:40] <ReadError> my uhh, demo expired for the full version
[20:55:41] <t12> i keep running into situations where
[20:55:45] <roh> the heeks-toolpathes are slow as hell.. why do i need to remove the millhead for every layer of a simple hole etc ;)
[20:55:46] <t12> say i have a 1/2" endmill
[20:55:54] <t12> and i'm taking a 1/4" cut off the edge of a 1" cube
[20:56:05] <t12> the stock is defiend as that 1" cube
[20:56:14] <t12> it hates to path cuts like that
[20:56:21] <ReadError> yea make the stock bigger
[20:56:25] <t12> and i end up having to draw say, a big sketch
[20:56:26] <ReadError> its strange about that
[20:56:29] <t12> and then machinet to the sketch
[20:56:34] <t12> theres no simple way around this?
[20:56:52] <ReadError> well i think it will try to stay within the stock contours
[20:56:54] <t12> like jsut make a fake oversized stock, and put the origin on the real stock?
[20:57:05] <ReadError> i put my origin on the part
[20:57:08] <ReadError> not the stock
[20:57:18] <t12> ahh ok
[20:57:23] <t12> i will try with bigger stock
[20:57:28] <t12> i've been liking hsmworks alot
[20:57:36] <ReadError> you got the full version?
[20:57:38] <t12> but i've been doing small things and that gets max annoying
[20:57:38] <t12> nah
[20:57:44] <ReadError> xpress?
[20:57:44] <t12> by hsmworks i mean hsmxpress
[20:57:47] <ReadError> yea
[20:57:53] <t12> i played with a pirated version of hsmworks
[20:57:53] <ReadError> it works great for being free software
[20:58:02] <t12> hilariosuly it works fine, then when you try and reload something you did
[20:58:04] <t12> it wont let you
[20:58:05] <t12> bur
[20:58:06] <t12> burn
[20:58:07] <ReadError> yea
[20:58:10] <ReadError> thats how they get you ;)
[20:58:18] <ReadError> it will let you invest some time
[20:58:20] <ReadError> then shit bricks
[20:58:33] <t12> maybe i can score an academic copy or something
[20:58:36] <ReadError> and getting it to go again is a PITA
[20:58:43] <ReadError> you have to change your computer clock, reactivate
[20:58:50] <ReadError> it will do a few more generations
[20:58:58] <ReadError> also, theres a bug with drilling
[20:59:06] <t12> (uhoh)
[20:59:06] <ReadError> i always have to add G0 after my last hole
[20:59:15] <ReadError> otherwise linuxcnc wont load the file
[20:59:29] <r00t4rd3d> roh what are you making?
[20:59:34] <t12> ah right now this is all in mach3 and a tormach
[20:59:36] <r00t4rd3d> door panel or something
[20:59:39] <t12> mach3 has some fun bugs
[20:59:45] <t12> like with the tormach wheel controller
[20:59:46] <roh> r00t4rd3d: different stuff. some front panels lately
[20:59:55] <t12> i think its a debounce problem but if you do stuff too fast
[21:00:05] <roh> r00t4rd3d: black anodized aluminium, drilled, milled and then laser engraved
[21:00:06] <t12> it will just drift one of the axis slowly once you let go sometimes
[21:00:10] <ReadError> never tried mach3 but in a vm
[21:00:18] <ReadError> didnt care for it much
[21:00:22] <t12> i had it ignore a limit switch once
[21:00:25] <t12> and just keep driving z up
[21:00:40] <t12> restart of mach3, machine, and it was fine
[21:01:07] <t12> i'm just using it cause its what this machine is setup with, and i dont really have the freedom to change it around
[21:03:40] <Tom_itx> anyone know when andypugh is due back?
[21:04:22] <roh> r00t4rd3d: i currently think something like gcnccam with some routines from heekscam would do the trick for me, but i thought i should ask around first before going on an try to hack these up
[21:04:48] <roh> too bad nobody continues the heeks stuff. was nice, just not done and badly broken at some places.
[21:07:46] <Tom_itx> umm sheetcam too
[21:07:46] <skunkworks> t12: I thought tomach had a supported linuxcnc config
[21:10:19] <t12> i have not investigated, the limits are political not technical
[21:10:28] <roh> do you know what happened to the freecad cam module?
[21:10:55] <skunkworks> t12: ah
[21:11:05] <t12> its v annoying using other peoples equipment
[21:11:10] <t12> however much cheaper!
[21:11:19] <skunkworks> heh
[21:11:30] <t12> this is a university shop
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[21:11:34] <t12> that more or less goes totally idle
[21:12:00] <t12> with professors nominally in charge, but the machines are mostly idle except me and 1-2 other people
[21:12:10] <t12> however most requests for change are interfered with
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[21:13:09] <t12> the lathe is fortuantely free to mess with, as nobody in charge understands it and they seem generally scared of it
[21:14:44] <Tom_itx> manual or cnc?
[21:14:46] <AR__> wired up the motors
[21:14:47] <AR__> http://i.imgur.com/mgBeVEA.jpg
[21:14:51] <t12> manual
[21:14:58] <t12> maybe i'll convert it at some point
[21:15:13] <t12> need to finish getting it all tuned up at some point
[21:15:25] <t12> the same cutting oil was in the sump for... 30 years
[21:15:40] <t12> the sump is built into one of the cast legs
[21:15:48] <t12> it had hardened into block of like, solid wax
[21:24:44] <JT-Shop> Tom_itx: I am now for a bit
[21:26:49] <r00t4rd3d> AR__, did you modify your tb6560?
[21:27:10] <AR__> not yet
[21:27:34] <AR__> i've had it for a couple years now. I bought it when it cost like $70 :(
[21:28:45] <r00t4rd3d> i paid 40 for mine
[21:29:30] <r00t4rd3d> http://www.ebay.com/itm/3-Axis-TB6560-CNC-Stepper-Motor-Driver-Controller-Board-/130532311197?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item1e6455009d
[21:30:01] <AR__> yup thats the one
[21:30:33] <AR__> by modify, do you mean the guy that added the inverter buffer?
[21:30:49] <r00t4rd3d> unless you modify them, they are slow but for a mill that probably wouldnt be bad
[21:31:12] <r00t4rd3d> i only can get 18ipm out of mine
[21:31:36] <AR__> you mean doing this?
[21:31:37] <AR__> http://www.cnczone.com/forums/general_electronics_discussion/110986-how_i_fixed_my_chinese_tb6560_controller_updated.html
[21:31:40] <roh> r00t4rd3d: is there a description about the mod somewhere? i got such a board around and wanted to use it to set up a pcb mill
[21:32:07] <roh> ah. nice.
[21:32:11] <r00t4rd3d> AR__, yeah that, someone else around here does this all the time too
[21:32:15] <r00t4rd3d> Loetmichel i think
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[21:32:20] <AR__> ah
[21:32:52] <r00t4rd3d> smd solder though
[21:33:20] <Loetmichel> what?
[21:33:30] <r00t4rd3d> are you the one that mods tb6560?
[21:33:40] <Loetmichel> i dont mod them
[21:33:44] <Loetmichel> i use them ;-)
[21:33:56] <r00t4rd3d> well change stuff to make them better/faster
[21:34:06] <Loetmichel> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YR8uLMVKDkQ
[21:34:18] <Loetmichel> the only change these boards need: more voltage
[21:34:42] <AR__> i do remember i needed to replace one of the tb6560 chips like the week that i got it
[21:34:50] <AR__> i forget how, but I made one explode
[21:34:53] <Loetmichel> so power them with tha max of 35V (one volt headroom) that the Chips can hold.
[21:34:58] <Loetmichel> MUCH better than 24V
[21:35:09] <AR__> i think i use 27V
[21:35:33] <Loetmichel> AR__: beeb there, done that... multiple times... http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=12554
[21:36:07] <r00t4rd3d> i only have a 24v psu
[21:36:15] <AR__> LOL Loetmichel
[21:36:16] <r00t4rd3d> 24v/15A
[21:36:29] <Loetmichel> the tb6560 dont like: reverse voltage, spikes on supply above 36V and disconnect or flaky contacts of the motors while running
[21:36:42] <Loetmichel> otherwise they are fine for the money
[21:36:53] <JesusAlos> http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?Simple_EMC_G-Code_Generators
[21:37:05] <AR__> yeah, I forget what I did
[21:37:22] <AR__> I either plugged in a motor while it was running or shorted a motor connection I think
[21:37:26] <JesusAlos> please, reference to integrate .py in linuxcnc?
[21:37:56] <r00t4rd3d> AR__, unplugging a motor while its powered blows stuff i guess on older boards
[21:38:07] <AR__> ah
[21:38:18] <AR__> yeah I make sure it is unplugged now when I touch it
[21:38:40] <ReadError> draw any pictures yet AR__?
[21:38:47] <AR__> replacing those chips is a bitch
[21:39:01] <AR__> i hate that package design
[21:39:04] <AR__> ReadError, nah
[21:39:18] <AR__> i gotta fine tune the configuration
[21:39:18] <r00t4rd3d> i would just buy a new one and use the old one for spare parts
[21:39:26] <Loetmichel> r00t4rd3d: unplugging a running motor blows EVERY tb6560 board i.e: the tb6560 chip
[21:39:27] <ReadError> oh yea
[21:39:32] <Loetmichel> repeatable
[21:39:34] <ReadError> my dumb question
[21:39:40] <ReadError> emergency stop
[21:39:45] <AR__> lol
[21:39:46] <ReadError> are they normally open or normally closed?
[21:39:53] <AR__> closed i think
[21:39:54] <ReadError> i think mine is backwards ^_^
[21:39:57] <r00t4rd3d> Loetmichel, i thought i read on newer revisions they put in some protection for that
[21:40:30] <Jymmm> http://screen.yahoo.com/baby-elephant-plays-ocean-231138164.html
[21:41:25] <r00t4rd3d> couldnt you put something on the motor leads to prevent that?
[21:41:43] <r00t4rd3d> a fuse or resistor
[21:41:49] <DJ9DJ> gute nacht
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[21:42:22] <Loetmichel> r00t4rd3d: not in series
[21:43:21] <Loetmichel> i think a set of FAST diodes do sthe - and + suppy and a massive capacitor to store the inductive energy could help but i doubt it
[21:43:34] <Loetmichel> to the
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[21:43:57] <r00t4rd3d> whats the electrical version of a one way check valve?
[21:43:59] <r00t4rd3d> lol
[21:44:58] <Loetmichel> a diode ;-)
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[21:55:41] <Jymmm> a .22lr shell
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[22:41:22] <gene__> network Q guys. My lappy seems tobe demanding an IPV6 connection only. And I can't recall how that was disabled, been too long. Ideas?
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[22:51:36] <JesusAlos> http://sourceforge.net/projects/codeg/
[22:51:52] <JesusAlos> How I must install it?
[22:52:03] <JesusAlos> not run ./configure
[22:52:05] <JesusAlos> make
[22:52:09] <JesusAlos> make install
[22:53:05] <JT-Shop> you might ask the author
[22:53:22] <JT-Shop> seems to be pretty fresh and your the only one that downloaded I think
[22:53:48] <JT-Shop> is it an exe file or a c++ file?
[22:54:37] <JesusAlos> c++
[22:56:02] <JT-Shop> if your on a linux machine then I'd assume you would have to compile it using gcc
[22:56:07] <JT-Shop> ever do that before?
[22:57:55] <JesusAlos> never
[22:57:59] <JesusAlos> I n oidea
[22:58:39] <ReadError> i think that project is dead
[22:58:41] <ReadError> last update 2009
[22:59:15] <JT-Shop> in a terminal cd to the file and try g++ programname.cpp and see what you get
[22:59:18] <JesusAlos> http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?Cam
[22:59:24] <JesusAlos> Codeg
[22:59:31] <JesusAlos> is in linuxcnc
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[23:00:42] <JT-Shop> it's not part of LinuxCNC
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[23:02:40] <JesusAlos> http://www.pastebin.com/cwDsxV1A
[23:02:44] <JesusAlos> errors
[23:02:56] <JesusAlos> a lott
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[23:05:27] <JT-Shop> looks like you just type make to compile it
[23:06:01] <JT-Shop> from the README file "Compiling:
[23:06:01] <JT-Shop> ==========
[23:06:01] <JT-Shop> The Boost library and development headers must be installed. It's likely that your distribution has this available as package. See http://www.boost.org
[23:06:01] <JT-Shop> This should be as simple as cd-ing into the directory and typing make. If your system is set up right (libboost is probably the big one), it should compile dxflib, mapm, and the executable.
[23:06:04] <JT-Shop> Typically, typing "make" in the codeg directory will result in a usable build. The executable is statically linked, and you may copy it to /usr/local/bin, or whatever is appropriate for your system.
[23:06:09] <JT-Shop> "
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[23:25:39] <JesusAlos> mmm GN
[23:25:50] <JT-Shop> good luck
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[23:50:35] <gene__> Unreal, I got the wireless working first!
[23:52:36] <gene__> Its updating the first batch of 206 files w/update-manager, and I've already done the 3.5.7-xenomai install, but not rebooted to it yet