#linuxcnc | Logs for 2013-02-11

[00:02:48] <Jymmm> Or those that don't like to stall when at 30+ degree incline
[00:03:25] <r00t4rd3d> roll it and keep on going instead of waiting
[00:03:40] <Jymmm> tjb1: And you know where you can put your float valve!
[00:04:15] <Jymmm> r00t4rd3d: No, no rolling =)
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[00:04:55] <r00t4rd3d> i never crashed that 700 though, tried
[00:05:29] <r00t4rd3d> with the ethanol in the gas the fi took away a headache
[00:05:34] <Jymmm> tjb1: Can you tell I'm just not fond of carbs =)
[00:07:20] <r00t4rd3d> id rather have carbs on my toys
[00:08:03] <Jymmm> if ya can figure out how to run moonshine in the engine... NOW we're talking!
[00:09:00] <Jymmm> Make my own fuel and have drunken chicken all at the same time!
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[00:14:39] <r00t4rd3d> im gonna dremel out my intake and exhaust ports
[00:14:49] <Jymmm> dremel?! lol
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[00:15:26] <r00t4rd3d> just clean up the excess cast
[00:15:53] <r00t4rd3d> besides a small file its the only thing that will fit down in there
[00:16:04] <Jymmm> car?
[00:16:14] <r00t4rd3d> no a small engine
[00:16:18] <Jymmm> ah
[00:16:29] <r00t4rd3d> http://i.imgur.com/2Phhw6h.jpg
[00:17:04] <tjb1> You stall out on 30 degrees?
[00:17:09] <tjb1> you dont know hwo to tune a carb then
[00:18:12] <Jymmm> and dont care either
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[00:20:48] <tjb1> I know you aren't fond of gas to begin with ;)
[00:21:38] <ReadError> hey guys
[00:21:39] <ReadError> http://www.ebay.com/itm/10-1-8-1250-DIAMOND-CUT-CARBIDE-ROUTER-BURRS-FT-Kyocera-Tycom-/150942668212?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2324e255b4
[00:21:46] <ReadError> how well do you suppose that would work with g10?
[00:21:50] <ReadError> (FR4)
[00:21:53] <ReadError> finish wise...
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[00:26:58] <r00t4rd3d> those work good
[00:27:14] <r00t4rd3d> probably my most used
[00:27:49] <ReadError> probably not so much for aluminum though, i would think chip clearning would suck
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[00:28:16] <r00t4rd3d> they grind more then chip
[00:29:20] <r00t4rd3d> a regular wood bit throughs chips all over but those make more of a powder
[00:32:04] <tjb1> ReadError: http://www.niagaracutter.com/
[00:32:07] <tjb1> Don't be cheap
[00:32:33] <r00t4rd3d> stick to down cut bits
[00:33:00] <r00t4rd3d> if you get any fluted ones
[00:33:55] <ReadError> tjb1, i used to get those from amazon
[00:34:00] <r00t4rd3d> I got a up cut bit from lowes and that fucker makes a giant mess
[00:34:05] <ReadError> but g10 is an endmill killer
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[00:34:31] <ReadError> so i spend 3$ on one, use it and toss it
[00:35:24] <r00t4rd3d> ive only got 2 .125 carbides like that and ive cut tons of oak with them
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[00:36:59] <ReadError> yea i can do a bunch of aluminum
[00:37:04] <ReadError> g10/cf, murders em
[00:38:21] <r00t4rd3d> i got like 20 .0625 carbides
[00:38:44] <r00t4rd3d> why i dont kow
[00:38:49] <r00t4rd3d> know*
[00:39:11] <r00t4rd3d> seemed like a good deal i guess
[00:40:29] <r00t4rd3d> ReadError, you should get a taped .0625 ball end, they work awesome for detailing
[00:40:36] <r00t4rd3d> tapered*
[00:41:22] <ReadError> i need to get some of those big v cutters'
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[00:44:12] <r00t4rd3d> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Cmt-815-127-11-1-2-V-Groove-Bit-1-4-shank-/310310124379?pt=Routers_Bits&hash=item483fecbb5b
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[00:46:02] <r00t4rd3d> I like having a 60 too
[00:46:03] <r00t4rd3d> http://www.amazon.com/CMT-858-501-11-Cutting-Diameter-16-Inch/dp/B000P4JOOY/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1360543542&sr=8-1&keywords=cmt+router+60
[00:46:08] <r00t4rd3d> thats nice
[00:47:33] <r00t4rd3d> oh thats the 1/2 shank one
[00:47:48] <r00t4rd3d> http://www.amazon.com/CMT-858-001-11-Cutting-Diameter-16-Inch/dp/B000P4NSYG/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1360543542&sr=8-2&keywords=cmt+router+60
[00:47:54] <r00t4rd3d> 1/4 shank :)
[00:47:54] <Jymmm> look at 120 degree
[00:48:38] <Icekiller> anyone here in europe have a cheap hf spindle for sale ^^ (its my birthday soo xD maybe i'll get lucky ehehe)
[00:49:08] <r00t4rd3d> no but i got a bridge ill sell ya
[00:49:40] <ReadError> weeeednesday plz hurry
[00:49:55] <ReadError> 4 days of ass busting to get this router together
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[00:50:08] <r00t4rd3d> whats the rush
[00:50:20] <ReadError> i got people waiting ;)
[00:50:27] <ReadError> my 1st run is 300$
[00:50:40] <r00t4rd3d> in your cost cause you are gonna fuck up
[00:50:46] <ReadError> lol
[00:50:57] <ReadError> well im not going to put down the material until its tested and tuned
[00:51:16] <Valen> what acceleration do people have for their router style machines?
[00:51:25] <r00t4rd3d> i did test cuts in scrap on everything i sold for awhile
[00:52:12] <ReadError> plus things should be easier now that i have a better clue about what im doing ;)
[00:52:30] <ReadError> my biggest hurdle the 1st time was making gcode in cam software
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[00:52:35] <ReadError> i got that down pretty good now
[00:53:29] <r00t4rd3d> http://www.ebay.com/itm/1-4-Shank-Engraving-Router-Bit-and-Inserts-In-Groove-/370518349411?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item56449d5663
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[00:53:31] <r00t4rd3d> buy me that
[00:54:40] <ReadError> Valen, i have no idea ;/
[00:55:14] <Valen> I'm just trying to design the new mill
[00:55:26] <Valen> router rather
[00:55:27] <r00t4rd3d> my machine does 18ipm but thats cause i have a tb6560 controller
[00:55:35] <Valen> 18ipm?
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[00:55:47] <r00t4rd3d> inch per min
[00:55:52] <Valen> yeah
[00:55:54] <Valen> but 18?
[00:56:09] <r00t4rd3d> tb6560 sucks
[00:56:15] <Valen> sails could outrun it in a james bond style escape sequence
[00:56:39] <r00t4rd3d> if anyone wants to donate me their old g540 ill take it
[00:57:13] <ReadError> awww
[00:57:18] <ReadError> you need the g540
[00:57:23] <r00t4rd3d> i know
[00:57:28] <Valen> I'm going servo drives
[00:57:33] <Valen> dmm-tech ftw
[00:58:10] <ReadError> servos seem complicated ;/
[00:58:26] <Valen> not really
[00:59:35] <r00t4rd3d> i could probably do 80-100ipm with a 540
[00:59:58] <r00t4rd3d> i couldnt even imagine it
[01:01:14] <Valen> heh, the motor I'm designing with at the moment is hitting 1574 IPM
[01:01:37] <Valen> though it should 2165IPM without too much stress
[01:02:17] <r00t4rd3d> https://www.sparkfun.com/products/10847
[01:02:21] <r00t4rd3d> those are the motors i have
[01:02:33] <r00t4rd3d> not sure how fast they would go
[01:02:34] <Valen> I'
[01:02:41] <Valen> I'm looking at 750W servos
[01:03:52] * skunkworks is running 4kw peak servos/drives ;)
[01:04:20] <Valen> nice skunkworks
[01:04:28] <Valen> what acceleration are you getting on what?
[01:04:45] <skunkworks> heh - big old machine - accelleration set pretty low
[01:04:53] <skunkworks> Make for cutting force - not speed
[01:04:57] <skunkworks> *made
[01:05:08] <skunkworks> 16 tons of peak cutting force
[01:07:15] <skunkworks> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pOHL_KlUdqw
[01:09:04] <Valen> I just keep coming up with accelerations like 3G
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[02:24:17] <r00t4rd3d> tjb1, http://landoftechnology.com/2013/the-nexus-7-in-car-ui-guide-projectn7-by-mr_bridger/
[02:24:26] <r00t4rd3d> he has included the files at the bottom
[02:24:52] <tjb1> how does speedo work?
[02:24:58] <r00t4rd3d> obd
[02:25:15] <tjb1> :/
[02:25:31] <tjb1> aint nobody got time for that
[02:25:42] <tjb1> I use apex launcher also
[02:25:47] <tjb1> not turning dock off
[02:26:03] <r00t4rd3d> https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.binarytoys.speedometer&hl=en
[02:26:15] <r00t4rd3d> that is what he is using for speedo
[02:27:14] <r00t4rd3d> i guess its gps only
[02:29:41] <pcw_home> A good one could use the accelerometers for dead reckoning for better responsiveness
[02:30:22] <r00t4rd3d> https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.vinwap.kitt
[02:30:24] <r00t4rd3d> lol
[02:32:02] <Jymmm> pcw_home: accelerometers?! Please, what you think this is the 20th century or something??? WHERE'S MY HOVERCRAFT DAMNIT!!!!!
[02:33:18] <pcw_home> wheres my jet pack for commuting to work?
[02:33:44] <Jymmm> pcw_home: Commute?! You don't commute
[02:34:23] <pcw_home> Popular Science was wrong??? Oh No
[02:34:48] <L84Supper> maybe you left it in your flying car
[02:35:10] <Jymmm> pcw_home: No, I'm saying YOU don't travel far either from home/work to consider that a "commute".
[02:36:24] <pcw_home> Come on, it take 8 Minutes should be able to shorten that to 1 with a jet pack
[02:36:45] <L84Supper> are you near water?
[02:36:50] <Jymmm> when you get to 8 hours, we can talk
[02:36:58] <Jymmm> or even 80 minutes
[02:37:32] <L84Supper> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7-KczCp0OQ4 JetLev
[02:37:45] <Jymmm> L84Supper: land, not water.
[02:37:58] <Jymmm> or water AND land.
[02:38:30] <Jymmm> and air!
[02:38:48] <L84Supper> I though you guys walked or rode bikes to work while eating whole grains without gluten to work
[02:39:00] <Jymmm> Not me, that's pcw_home
[02:39:29] <pcw_home> Sometime I walk in the summer but its a lousy walk
[02:39:33] <Jymmm> I drive an SUV, eat dead flesh
[02:40:16] <L84Supper> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O7LyFtOj1k0 jet pack, but I guess it doesn't have enough lift for takeoff
[02:40:33] <Jymmm> AeroLight
[02:41:04] <Jymmm> Only issue is the FAA limits to 5 gallons of fuel
[02:41:22] <Jymmm> iirc
[02:41:34] <L84Supper> belly fat powered for the win
[02:42:29] <pcw_home> L84Supper: have you seen the ODROID SBCs ?
[02:43:05] <L84Supper> by hardkernel?
[02:43:32] <pcw_home> Yeah using the Samsung quad core 1.7 GHz CPU
[02:43:52] <L84Supper> they make 1k boards and then move on to the next design
[02:44:11] <pcw_home> Yeah looks like development boards
[02:44:34] <L84Supper> http://www.hardkernel.com/renewal_2011/products/prdt_info.php
[02:44:53] <L84Supper> that stacked connector should optional as a header
[02:45:17] <L84Supper> it's another board layout that could only be made worse by adding a seat or handlebars as a feature
[02:47:02] <L84Supper> pcw_home: how about using HDMI as an interface to a FPGA
[02:47:11] <pcw_home> I guess the CPU needs a heatsink (5W?)
[02:48:01] <L84Supper> hdmi ethernet
[02:48:29] <tjb1> r00t4rd3d: gps works on nexus without internet?
[02:48:45] <Jymmm> gps does, no maps
[02:49:05] <pcw_home> how man chipsets support it (HDMI 2.0?)
[02:50:11] <pcw_home> hdmi ethernet is fairly clever though (100mbit full duplex 1 wire)
[02:50:50] <L84Supper> or the digital audio channels
[02:51:08] <Jymmm> I know it's bad acting, but damn... How many mags do they have to go thru to kill a water jug? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wdjk_W8nTno
[02:53:51] <r00t4rd3d> tjb1, yeah
[02:54:10] <L84Supper> http://www.samsung.com/global/business/semiconductor/minisite/Exynos/data/Exynos4%20QUAD.pdf
[02:54:27] <r00t4rd3d> you can also use google maps offline but you have to predownload the area you want
[02:54:31] <L84Supper> http://www.samsung.com/global/business/semiconductor/file/product/Exynos_4_Quad_User_Manaul_Public_REV100-0.pdf
[02:54:55] <r00t4rd3d> some gps apps have satellite overlays also
[02:55:18] <L84Supper> HDMI 1.4
[02:55:27] <r00t4rd3d> fuck samsung
[02:56:01] <tjb1> what is wrong with samsung
[02:57:34] <r00t4rd3d> they are one of the main contributors to the fragmentation of Android.
[02:58:53] <r00t4rd3d> their update deal is horrible
[02:59:23] <L84Supper> http://www.ubergizmo.com/2013/01/samsung-exynos-5-octa-specs/
[02:59:31] <r00t4rd3d> 10 people in a room have samsung android device and they all on different versions of android
[03:00:21] <r00t4rd3d> you would think all Samsung Galaxy SII's are the same right?
[03:00:24] <r00t4rd3d> they are not
[03:00:37] <tjb1> piss on samsung updates
[03:00:42] <tjb1> root and CM10.1
[03:01:16] <r00t4rd3d> only reason i sold my s2 and got a nexus 7
[03:01:25] <r00t4rd3d> to stay uptodate
[03:02:18] <r00t4rd3d> Letting Tracfone decide when to update my phone cause samsung is a pussy who bends over to carries was a joke
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[03:06:01] <pcw_home> the Exynos 4412 does say it has HDMI1.4 but of course it if it doe have Ethernet it uses the weird 1 pair PHY
[03:08:07] <tjtr33> on the http://cubieboard.org/buy/ page it says "* Taiwan is also part of China." thats gotta PO the Taiwanese!
[03:08:53] <pcw_home> I would think so
[03:09:31] <L84Supper> relations have been better the past few years but even people in China don't think of them as part of China
[03:10:06] <pcw_home> The 4412 is a 0.4MM BGA (I was looking for a SDIO level shifter and found they are only available in 0.4MM BGAs)
[03:10:07] <alex4nder> it's nice that they sell to iran
[03:10:08] <pcw_home> what a pain
[03:10:38] <pcw_home> Not something we can (or want to) do
[03:12:05] <L84Supper> you'll be able to print those boards yourself soon on the desktop
[03:14:54] <pcw_home> _That_ would be interesting
[03:18:23] <L84Supper> the printer also uses Linuxcnc
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[03:20:57] <L84Supper> http://www.armbrix.com/
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[03:38:31] <r00t4rd3d> 145?
[03:38:38] <tjb1> 215
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[03:41:04] <r00t4rd3d> i would rather get a odroid
[03:41:13] <r00t4rd3d> http://www.hardkernel.com/renewal_2011/products/prdt_info.php?g_code=G135341370451
[03:41:17] <r00t4rd3d> $89
[03:41:29] <r00t4rd3d> and it has CyanogenMod support
[03:41:52] <r00t4rd3d> http://get.cm/?device=odroidu2
[03:56:22] <tjb1> what is that r00t4rd3d
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[04:07:13] <Valen> lol at the size of the heatsink its mounted on
[04:08:08] <FinboySlick> I kind of like it.
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[04:34:16] <r00t4rd3d> tjb1, its a arm board
[04:34:25] <r00t4rd3d> run android or ubuntu
[04:34:38] <r00t4rd3d> or any arm build
[04:35:54] <r00t4rd3d> http://www.ebay.com/itm/ODROID-Case-Laser-cut-Acrylic-for-Odroid-U2-/251221026455?pt=UK_Computing_DesktopComponents_RL&hash=item3a7df0a697
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[07:10:28] <r00t4rd3d> ¿Cómo estás?
[07:12:53] <r00t4rd3d> i wanna goto california and hunt that guy down and get the million bucks
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[08:01:35] <DJ9DJ> moin
[08:05:21] <DJ9DJ> hi Jymmm :)
[08:10:02] <Jymmm> hi
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[09:16:08] <Loetmichel> mornin'
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[11:53:28] <AstroBoi> anybody know the general current ratings on stepper motors from cdroms?
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[11:58:10] <archivist_herron> AstroBoi, look at the driving chips specs for a clue, else measure the coil resistance and see what voltage they run on
[11:58:57] <AstroBoi> hmm
[11:59:32] <AstroBoi> all very good ideas.. wonder where i put the circuit boards out of that cdrom :P
[12:00:24] <archivist_herron> but...they are weedy little things
[12:01:34] <L84Supper> probably <100ma since they have 12V to work with
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[12:07:15] <AstroBoi> hmm driver chip says .94A typical
[12:07:49] <archivist_herron> is that per output or total for the chip
[12:08:14] <AstroBoi> thats for that particular output
[12:08:25] <AstroBoi> could be .5A per channel i guess
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[12:08:48] <archivist_herron> the chip could well be capable of far more than the motor needs
[12:08:54] <AstroBoi> yeah
[12:09:33] <AstroBoi> i was thinking id try around 350mA and see how warm it got :>
[12:10:14] <AstroBoi> course its bolted to a fairly decent size bit of tin in a cdrom
[12:10:47] <AstroBoi> but i doubt they drive it very hard, though the steps seem to be pretty chunky for how far a laser has to move
[12:12:45] <AstroBoi> I expected google to be a bit more helpful actually
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[13:29:20] <r00t4rd3d> find old printers
[13:29:24] <r00t4rd3d> better motors
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[13:35:17] <r00t4rd3d> It went from cold blizzard to 40 and raining out
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[14:41:46] <Jymmm> ~~~ One wheel motorcycle http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z1YoCfm7nxU
[14:44:03] <syyl> i would prefer the riotwheel...
[14:44:13] <ReadError> i wouldnt want to brake hard on that
[14:44:16] <syyl> doesnt look so goofy
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[14:47:07] <Jymmm> riotwheel is FRICKIN HUGE!!!
[14:47:14] <syyl> jep
[14:47:22] <syyl> no one would mess with it
[14:48:47] <Jymmm> It's pretty fugly actually.... a motorized tractor tire that needs a trailer to transport.
[14:49:11] <syyl> the tire is a bit on the small side :\
[14:49:22] <Jymmm> If it falls over, that's it.
[14:49:54] <Jymmm> That's something I'd expect to see from MAd Max
[14:49:59] <syyl> jep
[14:50:01] <syyl> absolute
[14:50:16] <Jymmm> Which was a MOVIE, not real life =)
[14:50:23] <syyl> whut?
[14:50:27] <Jymmm> lol
[14:51:06] <Jymmm> sorry to pop your delusional fantasy world bubble...
[14:51:20] <syyl> :(
[14:51:22] <jdh> not yet anyway.
[14:51:34] <Jymmm> jdh: (give it a week or so)
[14:51:50] <syyl> time to go over in the machineshop..
[14:52:23] <syyl> have to make a miniature m79 grenade launcher as a desktop model ;)
[14:52:30] <Jymmm> The rybo bike is small enough to fit in the trunk of a honda.
[14:52:40] <Jymmm> syyl: WTF?!
[14:52:44] <jdh> honda trunks can hold a lot.
[14:52:51] <Jymmm> syyl: WORKING TO SCALE BIOTCH!
[14:53:20] <Jymmm> syyl: Nobody is listening, the ATF will never know
[14:53:36] <syyl> hey
[14:53:45] <syyl> when will we see something you made? :D
[14:53:59] <syyl> not just words
[14:54:19] <Jymmm> syyl: Sure, you can see it any time, but only for the split second till it goes... well... nm.
[14:55:41] <Jymmm> http://i50.tinypic.com/11816qt.jpg
[14:57:00] <Jymmm> http://i52.tinypic.com/np15yv.jpg
[14:58:28] <Jymmm> http://i56.tinypic.com/9zoxf6.jpg
[14:58:56] <Jymmm> http://i51.tinypic.com/2jttp2.jpg
[14:59:08] <Jymmm> http://i52.tinypic.com/2rdahj5.jpg
[14:59:36] <Jymmm> http://i54.tinypic.com/k2mo7n.jpg
[15:00:20] <Jymmm> syyl: I show my stuff all the time, you just never look =) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
[15:01:42] <cradek> that lamp is cool
[15:02:14] <Jymmm> cradek: Thanks, it took me two months to design it (I'm just a perfectionist)
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[15:02:42] <jdh> what size laser (power & envelope)?
[15:02:58] <Jymmm> ULS M-300 30W
[15:03:47] <jdh> how does a cheap chinese 40w compare to that?
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[15:05:07] <Jymmm> I have auto focus, red dot, and it acts like a printer (I literally print to it), also ULS is like the #1 Laser Engraver Mfg in the US for quality and service.
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[15:05:47] <Jymmm> ppl will buy Epilog, mostly due to pricing.
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[15:06:20] <jdh> I mean cheab chinese 40w. Like $800 ones.
[15:06:26] <jdh> or cheap.
[15:06:49] <Jymmm> Well, those are water cooled tubes. Mine is air cooled.
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[15:07:32] <Jymmm> jdh: You'll get pulsations in the beam on the chinese stuff usually
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[15:07:50] <Jymmm> Optics are not as high quality
[15:08:09] <Jymmm> But I suspect that you can get away with whatever you're doing.
[15:08:27] <jdh> I tried to ask the Keling guy several times about cutting speed for the cheap one they sell. All he ever replies with is generic stuff or what the software accepts.
[15:08:49] <Jymmm> LOL, you expect support?!
[15:08:54] <jdh> mainly, how fast can you cut 3mm acrylic or 1/16" plywood
[15:09:06] <jdh> no support, just pre-sales info.
[15:09:11] <Jymmm> ha!
[15:09:43] <jdh> I'm not sure he really speaks english.
[15:09:49] <Jymmm> It all depends.
[15:10:47] <Jymmm> Even humidity/temp can effect cutting/engraving
[15:12:31] <Jymmm> Wood density, moisture content, resin content
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[15:14:51] <Jymmm> jdh: If you are going to cut acrylic, you'll want air assist.
[15:23:48] <L84Supper> the guy at Kelling speaks English very well
[15:24:24] <L84Supper> he got his Phd in the US
[15:24:50] <ReadError> is he from china?
[15:25:11] <L84Supper> originally, yes
[15:25:18] <ReadError> keling = automationtechnology now right?
[15:25:23] <L84Supper> yes
[15:25:37] <ReadError> was it you that visted his warehouse?
[15:25:48] <L84Supper> I've be there several times
[15:26:29] <jdh> never actually spoke to him. Just email
[15:27:04] <ReadError> do they make cutting lasers that dont require the mirrors and glass?
[15:27:08] <ReadError> im very accident prone ;)
[15:27:22] <Jymmm> Sure, fiber lasers
[15:27:31] <Jymmm> or Galvo lasers
[15:27:50] <Jymmm> btw... $$,$$$ and up
[15:28:05] <L84Supper> even he has to travel back to China a few times a year to deal with QC issues
[15:28:24] <Jymmm> galvo and fiber start around $60K USD and UP
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[15:29:28] <Jymmm> has anyone worked with silk fabric?
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[15:29:42] <L84Supper> patterns or solids?
[15:29:48] <Jymmm> either
[15:30:20] <L84Supper> it's not really in right now :)
[15:30:33] <Jymmm> I just want to know what silk does if you take heat/flame to the edge of it
[15:31:09] <Jymmm> Can you seal the edge of silk like you can nylon/satin fabric?
[15:32:23] <L84Supper> haven't tried but it's become the new thing to work with in materials science
[15:32:37] <L84Supper> engineered silks
[15:33:13] <ArcEye> Hi zultron - are you online
[15:35:01] <L84Supper> Jymmm: according to the garment people it won't melt like synthetics to seal the edge
[15:35:25] <Jymmm> L84Supper: ok, good to know. I'll stick with satin instead
[15:39:44] <L84Supper> silk is a protein chain vs polymer chain, looks like it breaks down vs melts, so it's more similar to a thermoset (epoxy, melamine)
[15:40:16] <Jymmm> Yeah, that's fine. I can adjust the laser accordingly.
[15:40:53] <Jymmm> I can grab a sample to test with.
[15:45:45] <Tecan> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y-1D5N7Bzrk
[15:45:54] <Tecan> well done remake
[15:47:48] <L84Supper> E. coli and goats have been genetically modified to produce silk, who knew?
[15:48:07] <Jymmm> e coli???
[15:48:58] <Jymmm> L84Supper: Whatcha talkn bout willis?
[15:49:54] <L84Supper> I shit you not :)
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[15:50:49] <L84Supper> http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/2010PNAS..10714059X
[15:51:02] <L84Supper> http://www.pnas.org/content/107/32/14059
[15:53:03] <Jymmm> "Most E. coli strains pose no harm to human health, except for serotype O157:H7, which can cause food poisoning in humans and can become life-threatening."
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[15:55:47] <Jymmm> http://phys.org/news194539934.html
[15:58:49] <L84Supper> I wonder if the milk also makes better string cheese?
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[16:11:14] <zultron> Hi ArcEye what's up?
[16:11:28] <zultron> Whoops, he's gone
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[16:39:12] <r00t4rd3d> http://i.imgur.com/PcTDVJF.jpg
[16:39:56] <Jymmm> carry on gift?
[16:41:49] <r00t4rd3d> I still like the Arduino one better
[16:41:50] <r00t4rd3d> http://nootropicdesign.com/defusableclock/
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[16:42:14] <L84Supper> http://i691.photobucket.com/albums/vv276/wallymonk/21st%20century%20toys/madbombvest.jpg
[16:46:45] <TekniQue> in college we had these: http://www.hpmuseum.org/cgi-sys/cgiwrap/hpmuseum/archv016.cgi?read=93495
[16:47:08] <TekniQue> HP suitcases that looked like a time bomb from any hollywood film ever made
[16:47:33] <TekniQue> keypad and 7 segment display
[16:47:41] <Jymmm> TekniQue: Damn dude, did you mine your own copper ore too?
[16:47:53] <TekniQue> 8085 processor that could be programmed by entering opcodes on the keypad
[16:49:29] <TekniQue> Jymmm: no, but we did have to take exams where we wrote down programs for this thing on paper
[16:49:48] <Jymmm> paper? wuts that?
[16:50:23] <TekniQue> an agricultural product
[16:50:28] <TekniQue> like potatoes and rice
[16:50:36] <Jymmm> Ah, Ganja!
[16:51:10] <Jymmm> starch?
[16:53:53] <Jymmm> I saw a show where a native tribe (S. America) would harvest starch from a native plant running/drain it down a troft letting the solid "pile up" and the liquid drain off the end. They would "bake" these pancake-like things.
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[17:09:07] <jdh> I saw one where teh old women sat around and pre-chewed it
[17:09:40] <Jymmm> that's for beer
[17:11:14] <Jymmm> Hey, levers... like a teeter totter... Are they a direct ratio? If I have a 12ft plank, and place the fulcrum point at 4ft, I can "lift" double the weight?
[17:12:39] <Jymmm> or would that be at 3ft?
[17:12:51] <Jymmm> since 6ft would be half, or 1:1
[17:17:07] <cpresser> hi. does anyone have a hint for a cable which i might use to connect the spindle to the vdf?
[17:17:10] <jdh> distance1 * force1 = distance2 * force2
[17:17:32] <cpresser> i am looking for a flexible 3 conductor + shield wire (preferrign european distributors()
[17:27:01] * jdh shrugs
[17:27:04] <jdh> I like the blue stuff.
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[17:46:40] <L84Supper> Jymmm: I'd set the fulcrum at 8ft away from the end I was going to stand at. The problem is that you're only going to get 1/2 the movement at the load. Have you considered using pulleys or a forklift?
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[18:04:48] <Jymmm> L84Supper: I'm wanting to use it to "test" the load strength of some line. Place a 10lb weight on one end, and see if I can break the line. Either add weight and/or move the fulcrum point, lather rinse, repeat.
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[18:22:55] <Spida> cpresser: did you look at audio (speaker) cables?
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[18:27:45] <Loetmichel> re @ home
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[18:38:37] <andypugh> Bah! My ballscrew and ballnut arrived. But without the ballnut.
[18:39:00] <JT-Shop> no hole in the packing I hope
[18:39:58] <fragalot> you can use the packaging instead of the ballnut
[18:40:02] * fragalot nods
[18:40:06] <fragalot> just takes some creativity
[18:41:07] * Spida imagines a nuts for ballnuts deal between andypugh and the shop where he ordered his ballnut...
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[18:41:24] <ReadError> what are those little threaded inserts called?
[18:41:25] * frallzor stares at JT-Shop
[18:41:30] <ReadError> you put them in the back side of wood
[18:41:41] <andypugh> ReadError: Tee-Nuts?
[18:41:43] <ReadError> has some little nubs to dig in
[18:41:49] <ReadError> sort of
[18:41:54] <ReadError> but the base is round
[18:42:09] <jdh> or blind nuts
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[18:42:13] <ReadError> blind nuts
[18:42:15] <JT-Shop> it's not polite to stare
[18:42:18] <andypugh> http://www.screwfix.com/p/4-pronged-tee-nut-m8-x-11-pack-of-10/47225
[18:42:18] <ReadError> that sounds about right, thanks
[18:42:49] <ReadError> oh, I was thinking T nuts like i use on my mill, but those look like they are it as well
[18:43:50] <andypugh> JT-Shop: A small hole in the packaging. However the package is 350g lighter than stated on the shipping note, so I suspect that the end fell off the tube in transit, and the parcel company taped it back up, not rrealising that the expensive bit had fallen out :-(
[18:44:24] <JT-Shop> yikes!
[18:44:45] <frallzor> Im sorry mister =/
[18:44:49] <jdh> I got 2 packages that were 9kg lighter than the weight listed on the package. Nobody but me seemed to notice.
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[18:45:13] <JT-Shop> I'm waiting on a 71lb package
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[18:45:44] <fragalot> I got an empty package once when i ordered ball bearing balls
[18:45:47] <fragalot> :<
[18:46:06] <andypugh> I am hoping that the missing nut is the vendors problem or the shipping co's problem rather than my problem. I waited a month for the nut to come in to stock, so I am especially displeased.
[18:46:16] <fragalot> :/
[18:46:47] <Loetmichel> andypugh: maybe it wasnt and the vendor made it LOOK like it has fallen out?
[18:47:25] <andypugh> fragalot: I got an envelope full of drills, minus the drills. I hate to think what they did to the parcel sorting equipment.
[18:47:34] <fragalot> andypugh: haha
[18:47:38] <Loetmichel> <- is today a bit paranoid
[18:47:53] <fragalot> best failed order I ever had was a whole bag of big rare earth magnets
[18:47:57] <fragalot> took 6 months to deliver
[18:48:01] <andypugh> The vendor is Zapp. I have had decent service from them in the past.
[18:48:03] <fragalot> apparently they stuck to the van's ceiling
[18:48:12] <Loetmichel> fragalot: HARHAR
[18:49:11] <Loetmichel> http://cache.bordom.net/server/?type=image&size=full&id=aHR0cDovL2kuaW1ndXIuY29tL1ZaTkZNLmpwZw%3D%3D <- comes to mind ;-)
[18:49:32] <fragalot> lmao
[18:50:53] <andypugh> Anyone _not_ seen this yet? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6EsoWpTO2qg
[18:51:41] <fragalot> I haven't
[18:52:16] <fragalot> is it me or do all the remakes just try and copy the original, yet fail
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[18:56:13] <andypugh> fragalot: Hard to say, as I don't speak Korean :-)
[18:57:09] <fragalot> :P
[18:58:54] <ReadError> my frame for my router is 160lb or so
[18:58:59] <ReadError> should be fun carrying that in ;)
[18:59:46] <jdh> that was a pricey accident.
[19:01:32] <andypugh> Maybe less pricey that I first thought. The Bell AH1 (which they say that is) was made in the late 60s.
[19:01:49] <andypugh> I think it has been dressed up to look like an Apache, but isn't.
[19:02:14] <jdh> I see one for sale for only $700k
[19:04:15] <andypugh> If you pause the video, there are only two rotor blades.
[19:07:10] <fragalot> that doesn't really mean much
[19:07:20] <fragalot> there could be 4, neatly synchronized with the camera
[19:07:21] <fragalot> :P
[19:08:37] <andypugh> fragalot: Err, no, I don't think that there can be..
[19:09:10] <fragalot> yeah no :)
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[19:28:29] <andypugh> Since 16/8/2012 I have had notification emails about 143 new user registrations to the forums.
[19:29:10] <andypugh> Ah, no, that's not right
[19:30:03] <andypugh> I just noticed, that's 143 sets of threads as Gmail sees them. The actual number of subscribers is rather higher.
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[19:35:40] <r00t4rd3d> is new user registrations up from normal?
[19:36:10] tjb1_ is now known as tjb1
[19:36:11] <r00t4rd3d> what i really would like to know is if they jumped up after upgrading the forum software
[19:36:44] <r00t4rd3d> tjb1, my OBDII made me 100 bucks today
[19:36:50] <tjb1> hows that
[19:37:39] <r00t4rd3d> my buddys friends truck wasnt running right, engine light on, scanned it, cylinder #2 wasnt firing, changed the wire and plug, fixed.
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[19:39:04] <tjb1> and you got 100...
[19:39:17] <r00t4rd3d> didnt even ask for it
[19:39:26] <alex4nder> r00t4rd3d: what scanner do you use?
[19:39:39] <r00t4rd3d> bluetooth obdII elm327
[19:39:50] <alex4nder> cool
[19:40:05] <jdh> most parts stores around here will read your codes for free.
[19:40:46] <r00t4rd3d> http://www.ebay.com/itm/ELM327-V1-5-OBD-II-OBD-2-Bluetooth-Auto-Car-Diagnostic-Interface-Scanner-/190754612816?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2c69dc6650
[19:41:44] <jdh> r00t: works with android?
[19:41:48] <r00t4rd3d> yeah
[19:41:54] <tjb1> Not with SGS3
[19:42:07] <jdh> cool. I have a $100 normal one.
[19:42:37] <jdh> why not s3?
[19:42:42] <tjb1> r00t4rd3d: I got some sweet nfc tags
[19:42:45] <tjb1> I dont know, cant connect
[19:42:48] <r00t4rd3d> tjb1, I ended up changing all the wires and plugs too after I fixed the engine light and rough running so it was worth 100
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[19:43:28] <r00t4rd3d> android 4.2.1 has BT issues
[19:43:34] <r00t4rd3d> on some devices
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[19:44:00] <tjb1> I never tried it on a ROM that wasnt built off 4.2.1
[19:44:16] <andypugh> Well, 9 new registrations today. Which struck me as rather more than usual.
[19:44:18] <r00t4rd3d> try a JB rom and i bet it will
[19:44:38] <tjb1> 4.2 is jb
[19:44:42] <jdh> mine is 4.1.2
[19:44:43] <r00t4rd3d> err ics
[19:45:00] <tjb1> my phone came with jb, can I go down to ics?
[19:45:29] <r00t4rd3d> matters if the factory image is somewhere
[19:45:56] <jdh> heh... quadruple-tap your android version
[19:45:58] <tjb1> works on the n7, not gonna play with phone anymore
[19:46:09] <tjb1> I already have to switch roms every weekend
[19:46:52] <tjb1> cyanogenmod cant seem to figure out how to make data work
[19:47:21] <r00t4rd3d> http://samsung-updates.com/device/?id=SCH-I535
[19:48:04] <tjb1> not gonna happen
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[19:48:52] <tjb1> guy suckers you into paying for the app because of another option to make it work
[19:49:03] <tjb1> should of requested refund as soon as it didnt work
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[19:49:32] <r00t4rd3d> you paid for it ?
[19:49:32] <r00t4rd3d> lol
[19:50:04] <tjb1> Well there was some option to make bt work
[19:50:07] <tjb1> Yeah, it didnt.
[19:50:35] <jdh> surely they woudln't have taken that out
[19:50:42] <jdh> <urk>
[19:51:04] <r00t4rd3d> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eEjR-Z2WizM
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[19:54:06] <tjb1> Nice
[19:54:24] <tjb1> NFC tag set to open pandora, volume max and then using the same tag again closes pandora and turns volume down
[19:56:42] <tjb1> Im going to block papa johns from emailing me
[19:56:49] <tjb1> Everyday, "dont forget to use your coupon"
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[19:58:30] <r00t4rd3d> or unsubsribe
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[20:14:04] <frallzor> weeey so far so good, new settings seems to be working
[20:16:43] * JT-Shop got my 71lb package and all the parts are there :)
[20:16:53] <jdh> any extra ball nuts?
[20:17:06] <frallzor> all my parts are there too, but in the machines being...machined =P
[20:18:34] <JT-Shop> except for on port plug that is sheared off it looks ok
[20:19:11] <skunkworks> plastic?
[20:22:26] <JT-Shop> aluminum I think
[20:22:33] <jdh> make a new one!
[20:23:13] <JT-Shop> it still seals the hole fine, might be a challange when the time comes to connect the hoses up
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[20:36:02] <r00t4rd3d> how hot can normal spray paint get before it burns off?
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[20:41:38] <r00t4rd3d> Jymmm or archivist
[20:43:44] <r00t4rd3d> Im gonna paint my engine block with regular spray paint
[20:44:20] <r00t4rd3d> i doubt it gets over 150F
[20:45:32] <jdh> why not splurge on high-temp paint?
[20:47:21] <r00t4rd3d> cause the block is tiny and I got some flat black already
[20:47:39] <jdh> ok.
[20:48:19] <jdh> "sorry, your warranty is void. It overheated due to application of insulative paint"
[20:48:46] <r00t4rd3d> there is no warranty
[20:49:13] <jdh> http://www.outdoorpros.com/Prod/Krylon-SP403-VHT-High-Heat-Spray-Paint-Titanium-Silver/73276/Cat/1345?gclid=CJa7kKKQr7UCFUZa4AodkiIAKw
[20:49:30] <jdh> htey make a burnt copper one too1
[20:50:16] <r00t4rd3d> I know all about VHT, just dont wanna spend it if i dont got too
[20:50:36] <r00t4rd3d> i dont think the block gets hot enough for a high heat paint
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[20:56:05] <ReadError> why do i have like 6 harlem shake videos in my work email today
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[20:59:14] <L84Supper> r00t4rd3d: the acrylics they use are probably good up to no more than 200 deg C
[20:59:48] <r00t4rd3d> yeah i was told that in ##physics
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[20:59:59] <r00t4rd3d> and i just read this on the motor bicycling forums:
[21:00:02] <r00t4rd3d> "ive painted several engines black with cheap krylon enamel(not designed for high temps). It never burns off and ive done it on 5 engines. "
[21:00:34] <r00t4rd3d> all i need
[21:00:36] <L84Supper> prep is important for adhesion
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[21:00:44] <frallzor> allmost goood wood, fucked up 1 part in the end, but no biggie, re-make tomorrow =)
[21:00:51] <r00t4rd3d> its brand new so prep is done :)
[21:01:18] <r00t4rd3d> i washed it with soap and water to get all the grease/oil residue off
[21:01:34] <L84Supper> followed by acetone or laquer thinner?
[21:02:07] <L84Supper> up to you
[21:02:08] <r00t4rd3d> no
[21:02:12] <r00t4rd3d> i havent
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[21:02:22] <r00t4rd3d> i got some acetone though
[21:02:41] <r00t4rd3d> my meth lab is stocked
[21:03:34] <L84Supper> speaking of which I just came back with pseudoephedrine hydrochloride
[21:03:46] <r00t4rd3d> nice
[21:03:47] <jdh> I scored some yesterday
[21:03:49] <L84Supper> seems the limit is two boxes o matter what size at a time
[21:03:58] <jdh> I could only get one box
[21:04:35] <L84Supper> walmart generic, and they required a drivers license, state id or passport was no good
[21:04:59] <L84Supper> so it's just arbitrary and capricious
[21:05:12] <r00t4rd3d> you gonna whip up a batch?
[21:05:16] <jdh> mine came from Sam's, which is walmart in a larger box
[21:06:45] <L84Supper> trying to clear my sinuses, no I'm infecting everyone around me
[21:06:54] <r00t4rd3d> aww
[21:06:56] <L84Supper> Chinese superbug day 9
[21:07:46] <L84Supper> lost 5 lbs so it's not all bad :)
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[21:11:10] <tjtr33> building EDM tooling holder http://imagebin.org/246306 http://imagebin.org/246308 http://imagebin.org/246310
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[21:37:57] <l2> Hello. =)
[21:39:13] <l2> I have a functional real time kernel in Ubuntu 12.04 LTS with linuxcnc installed. When I attempt to launch Stepconf from the CLI I get the following error. I have found no solution on google.
[21:39:28] <l2> File "./stepconf", line 36, in <module>
[21:39:28] <l2> import hal
[21:39:28] <l2> ImportError: No module named hal
[21:39:49] <l2> Anyone have any ideas?
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[21:44:23] <Jymmm> Having a bad day? http://www.wimp.com/badmorning/
[21:45:30] <r00t4rd3d> i dont dare open that
[21:46:13] <ReadError> how was he planning to get out anyways
[21:46:18] <ReadError> with another car in front of him?
[21:48:59] <tjb1> spent more time cleaning his car than anyone up here
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[21:52:18] <r00t4rd3d> i would have started it before cleaning it so it was warm when i was done.
[21:52:25] <r00t4rd3d> dumbass
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[21:53:35] <r00t4rd3d> ReadError, are you an asian woman?
[21:54:29] <r00t4rd3d> there is more to cars then turning left
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[21:55:23] <DJ9DJ> gn8
[21:55:44] <r00t4rd3d> hey its the gn8 bot
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[21:59:33] <andypugh> l2 Does anything else work?
[21:59:43] <andypugh> Ah, I missed him.
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[22:59:39] <Nick001-Shop> Can a stepper motor loop be closed with a linear scale?
[23:05:52] <tjtr33> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M8ijWbg_seI
[23:06:02] <L84Supper> sure, anything with accurate feedback
[23:06:27] <r00t4rd3d> lets form a posse and go hunt down that cop for the million
[23:08:18] <ReadError> i dont watch the news
[23:08:22] <ReadError> what did he do?
[23:08:27] <r00t4rd3d> shot other cops
[23:08:31] <ReadError> why
[23:08:38] <r00t4rd3d> mental
[23:08:51] <r00t4rd3d> thinking the man was out to get him
[23:09:10] <L84Supper> unhappy, got fired, has an agenda and a manifesto
[23:09:10] <r00t4rd3d> they fired him from th LAPD
[23:09:33] <L84Supper> what the news says anyway
[23:09:43] <r00t4rd3d> pope is getting out
[23:10:04] <L84Supper> same reasons?
[23:10:06] <tjtr33> the vid for steppers with linear scales sez "Hostmot2-Stepgen was changed so that homing works on the Index of GMS." a gms is a linear glass scale
[23:10:40] <r00t4rd3d> is that a question or a statement?
[23:10:57] <tjtr33> fact
[23:11:48] <Nick001-Shop> anything in the wiki on this for the steppers?
[23:11:49] <tjtr33> Glasmesstäben = glass scale
[23:12:07] <tjtr33> see the video about your Q?
[23:12:24] <Nick001-Shop> link?
[23:12:33] <tjtr33> <tjtr33> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M8ijWbg_seI
[23:12:43] <Nick001-Shop> thanks
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[23:13:05] <tjtr33> np
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[23:15:57] <andypugh> Nick001-Shop: You would probably do it by running the stepgen in velocity mode and a PID loop closed by the linear scale position. It ought to work nicely.
[23:16:46] <andypugh> It's theoretically possible to recover from a stall too. (by winding the adaptive feed down, then up again so it can find the correct position)
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[23:18:12] <andypugh> That machine in the video deserves better than steppers!
[23:18:51] <tjtr33> hermle? deckel?
[23:19:01] <andypugh> Looks like a Deckel to me
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[23:20:44] <Nick001-Shop> andy - still have to get the steppers running. The 1 glass scale seems to be working-can see the a&b moving and I did detect the index. Have to hookup the second one. Just got all rhe different amp connectors that I needed.
[23:21:43] <tjtr33> what model/make scale?
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[23:26:48] <Nick001-Shop> Acu-rite about 6" scale - have about 5" travel in the slides. The decks are 18" square.
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[23:34:41] <tjtr33> good scales, hope you have good luck using them, i have 3 slides with DRC scales, like Acurite 1um but no index
[23:35:04] <r00t4rd3d> http://www.industruino.com/
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[23:36:32] <andypugh> g'night folks
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[23:37:41] <Nick001-Shop> Pretty sure I have an index. the wiring diagram indicated it and I did see it on halscope , then I lost the signal - haven't had the time to get back to it to see what happened.
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[23:54:14] <tjtr33> Nick001-Shop, may be of use, i hear the pinouts are same, but dont rely on that, check the colors and use a scope http://www.acu-rite.com/pdf/manuals/SENC150sept05.pdf