#linuxcnc | Logs for 2013-02-08

[00:01:55] <tjb1> what about it r00t4rd3d
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[00:04:51] <FinboySlick> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4PcL6-mjRNk
[00:10:05] <FinboySlick> I hope it turns off during the night.
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[00:17:42] <Tom_itx> JT-Shop, gettin our rain yet?
[00:17:54] <cncjerry> hello, cncjerry here
[00:18:35] <cncjerry> my PC wont boot, nothing, nada, nil and was wondering if this little ShuttleX I have would be enough to run my mill until I figure this out.
[00:18:52] <cncjerry> so I am running the latency test and wondering what is good/bad/ugly
[00:19:00] <Tom_itx> low is good
[00:19:02] <Tom_itx> high is bad
[00:19:08] <cncjerry> jitter?
[00:19:30] <Valen> depends on if you are using mesa or something like that to some extent too
[00:19:34] <Valen> and your step rate
[00:19:44] <Valen> if your using steppers on pports
[00:19:45] <cncjerry> the jitter is 5937 on servo 1 and 8465 on base
[00:20:10] <Valen> thats not terrible as i recall
[00:20:48] <tjtr33> http://www.linuxcnc.org/docs/devel/html/install/Latency_Test.html has numbers and guidelines
[00:21:34] <JT-Shop> Tom_itx: sprinkles only
[00:22:38] <r00t4rd3d> cncjerry, did you test your psu?
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[00:23:37] <cncjerry_> something happend to the chat window. did You get my rate?
[00:23:55] <r00t4rd3d> yeah
[00:24:09] <r00t4rd3d> cncjerry_, did you test your dead computer psu?
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[00:24:16] <cncjerry_> I think the x and y are like 40,000
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[00:26:19] <cncjerry> the chat keeps crashing on the other computer as well
[00:26:27] <cncjerry> I don't know if you got my last
[00:26:45] <cncjerry> I pulled the plug on the drives and they measured fine. 5.0 and 11.96v
[00:27:08] <cncjerry> I was going to pull the moboard connector to check them but will need to get the voltages from the doc (somewhere)
[00:27:35] <cncjerry> I do remember the power going out coincident with a thunderstorm a month ago, haven't been in the shop lately.
[00:28:17] <cncjerry> the last I checked about two weeks ago, the main drive wouldn't boot but I got linux up to do the work. so I was down there shooting that bug when I noticed it won't boot at all.
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[00:28:24] <cncjerry> the green light is on the motherboard.
[00:28:25] <r00t4rd3d> you can easily test the psu by unplugging the connector, find the one green wire and jump that to a black wire, if the fan spins up, its good.
[00:28:35] <cncjerry> the fans are running
[00:28:39] <cncjerry> the disk drives seek
[00:28:40] <r00t4rd3d> your jitter numbers are fine
[00:28:56] <r00t4rd3d> sounds like video or monitor
[00:29:11] <cncjerry> I tried pulling the memory, drives, etc. no luck. unless the video adapter is out, but I would think it should at least beep
[00:29:27] <cncjerry> the drives aren't rattling at all.
[00:29:29] <r00t4rd3d> do you have a video card?
[00:29:35] <cncjerry> only the one in there.
[00:29:40] <cncjerry> that machine is old
[00:30:01] <r00t4rd3d> get a D525MW while you still can.
[00:30:28] <cncjerry> I think it is PCIE but not the latest. I can't plug my others in there as it has a small plate to prevent the newer cards from seating.
[00:30:28] <r00t4rd3d> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Intel-D525MW-Mini-ITX-Motherboard-w-Atom-525-CPU-/200542103383?pt=Motherboards&hash=item2eb13da757
[00:31:09] <cncjerry> this machine was a 2.9ghz that I built in like 2000 so it is old.
[00:31:52] <cncjerry> I have this little shuttle i found in a dumpster that boots and runs fine. I had planned to use it on my lathe as that computer is on a shelf and it is older.
[00:32:14] <r00t4rd3d> I play video games on my CNC computer while I wait for cuts :D
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[00:32:38] <cncjerry> so I guess I'll have to pull the linux drive out of the down machine, plug it into the shuttle to see if I can get the config file.
[00:32:57] <cncjerry> I am going to hate having to rebuild all that since I customized axis, etc.
[00:33:05] <r00t4rd3d> take your whole ini folder that should be on your desktop
[00:33:46] <cncjerry> the question is getting to the drive. I can't remember which one and there are like 6 in that machine.
[00:34:27] <r00t4rd3d> I would just swap out the video card and see if that worked
[00:34:39] <cncjerry> I've never had a cpu or motherboard blow.9
[00:34:53] <cncjerry> would the machine hang or beep if the video was bad?
[00:35:00] <r00t4rd3d> no
[00:35:14] <cncjerry> if I pulled the video card would the machine beep?
[00:35:17] <r00t4rd3d> that normally only happens with memory or cpu errors
[00:36:36] <cncjerry> I'll take the advice and go digging. I might have an old PCI card that would at least get it up. the windows boot disk is hosed as well, that doesnt show in the bios (when the machine last booted)
[00:36:50] <r00t4rd3d> if the video card has a fan and its clogged with shit and didnt get cooled enough, it could be fried.
[00:36:51] <tjb1> Ok JT-Shop, I am gonna try to do this now
[00:37:04] <Valen> no video card will often make them beep
[00:37:17] <cncjerry> we had a bad lightning storm in early january that seemed to precipitate this.
[00:37:18] <Valen> if you pull the card it should generally give you a beep code error
[00:37:26] <Valen> that won't help anything
[00:37:31] <cncjerry> I'll go pull the card to see
[00:37:49] <cncjerry> by now I probly pulled the speaker as well.
[00:37:55] <Valen> you say you have 6 drives hanging off it?
[00:37:55] <r00t4rd3d> motherboards are not video card dependent
[00:38:05] <cncjerry> yes
[00:38:07] <Valen> r00t4rd3d: you can set some to boot headless
[00:38:08] <r00t4rd3d> it should not beep with no video
[00:38:19] <Valen> but most consumer boards will fail post without a video output
[00:38:27] <cncjerry> I get no bios screen, etc.
[00:38:51] <cncjerry> and the reset button doesn't reset the drives
[00:39:12] <r00t4rd3d> is there an old phone modem in there?
[00:39:13] <cncjerry> I tried pulling the battery as well thinking maybe something was hosed in the bios.
[00:39:17] <cncjerry> maybe
[00:39:21] <cncjerry> no
[00:39:28] <Valen> I'd suggest unplugging everything except cpu and ram (and speaker ;->) and see if you can get at least a post beep from it
[00:39:34] <cncjerry> It was the highest end computer in 2001
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[00:39:39] <r00t4rd3d> check all your pci cards for burn marks
[00:39:39] <Valen> then start adding stuff back one at a time
[00:39:54] <Valen> then add back the video and test that
[00:39:55] <Valen> etc
[00:39:58] <cncjerry> I have to find a video card. it was pretty curdy.
[00:40:02] <cncjerry> crudy
[00:40:16] <Valen> I've seen bad IDE devices cause similar issues
[00:40:18] <cncjerry> I wish it had onboard video
[00:40:24] <r00t4rd3d> ya
[00:40:24] <cncjerry> all the ice are pulled,
[00:40:29] <cncjerry> ide.
[00:40:42] <cncjerry> only one memory stick in
[00:40:46] <Valen> pull the video as well and see if you can get a beep
[00:40:52] <cncjerry> k, brb
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[00:41:01] <Valen> you should be able to pull the ram too
[00:41:06] <Valen> give you a no memory beep
[00:41:22] <Valen> though some mbo's wont do that they will just be dead
[00:42:06] <ReadError> might as well reset the cmos
[00:42:16] <ReadError> just to get everything back to defaults
[00:42:26] <Valen> he did pull the battery
[00:42:28] <r00t4rd3d> he pulled that battery so thats dont already
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[00:42:34] <Valen> though thats not always a guarantee
[00:42:40] <ReadError> you gotta hit the power button as well
[00:42:43] <ReadError> to discharge everything
[00:42:52] <Valen> often they have a clear cmos jumper
[00:42:55] <ReadError> yea
[00:43:06] <ReadError> that does the same as pulling the battery though im fairly sure
[00:43:11] <ReadError> i always unplug it
[00:43:18] <ReadError> short/pull battery
[00:43:24] <ReadError> and hold the power button for a few seconds
[00:43:31] <Valen> I haven't had to do that for years lol
[00:43:35] <ReadError> even unplugged the fans will still spin for a sec
[00:43:45] <Valen> I actually have to replace a cmos battery for a guy
[00:43:51] <Valen> i keep forgetting to get the cell lol
[00:44:28] <ReadError> Valen: these AU guys make it seem like its impossible to find g10 sheets in the AU
[00:44:33] <r00t4rd3d> Ive worked on tons of dead computers where I unseated/unplugged everything then plug it all back in and the computer worked.
[00:44:36] <ReadError> here its all over, even amazon sells it
[00:44:48] <Valen> ReadError: it is, we all just order it from overseas
[00:44:50] <Valen> or just use PCB
[00:45:19] <Valen> done that more than once r00t4rd3d, strip it all out and put it back together and it works
[00:45:43] <r00t4rd3d> yup, then my boss would tell the customer they had a bad hd
[00:45:43] <cncjerry> no beep with no video.
[00:46:02] <r00t4rd3d> ive told you it wont do that :)
[00:46:06] <cncjerry> btw: worked for IBM on the PC before it came out in '81. 35yrs of the PC business
[00:46:11] <Valen> and I've told you it will
[00:46:19] <cncjerry> usually reseat and off you go. not this time.
[00:46:39] <Valen> r00t4rd3d: http://www.computerhope.com/beep.htm look for video
[00:46:49] <Valen> sounds like its dead jim
[00:47:02] <cncjerry> Jim's my brother
[00:47:06] <cncjerry> I think it is dead
[00:47:26] <Valen> I've had terrible luck with shuttles always seem to be glitchy to me
[00:47:36] <Valen> another guy i know has hundreds of them in the field
[00:47:54] <cncjerry> the only thing is do I go thru the trouble of checking the 3.3v or just find the drive and plug it into the shuttle
[00:48:16] <Valen> if you have a spare PSU whack it in, nothing to loose
[00:48:20] <cncjerry> I found the shittleX at a surplus metal store in a barrel
[00:48:29] <Valen> just sit it next to it will be good enough ;->
[00:48:34] <Valen> rofl
[00:48:42] <cncjerry> It had memory and 60gig drive, cd, etc. took it for the hell of it.
[00:48:51] <ReadError> guys this cant have worked out any better
[00:48:52] <cncjerry> works great. I like the small form factor
[00:48:56] <ReadError> my router comes wednesday
[00:49:03] <ReadError> i have thur,fri,sat,sun off
[00:49:04] <ReadError> ;)
[00:49:09] <ReadError> it was made to be!
[00:49:48] <ReadError> i think the superpid will take a moment ;/
[00:49:52] <ReadError> its coming from .au
[00:49:57] <cncjerry> if I pull all the memories it should beep, no?
[00:50:05] <ReadError> i dont think
[00:50:13] <ReadError> ive never got a PC to boot w/o memory
[00:50:15] <ReadError> er, post
[00:50:28] <cncjerry> that was supposed to be mamories
[00:50:33] <Valen> 50/50 with no ram you will get a no memory beep code
[00:50:34] <cncjerry> or is it mammories
[00:50:43] <Valen> the only other thing you can do is get a port80 card
[00:50:46] <ReadError> you can try to pull a dimm out of a laptop
[00:50:51] <ReadError> and throw it in there
[00:51:00] <ReadError> (assuming its the same ddr2)
[00:51:06] <cncjerry> I have 4 x 512k so I have other chips to try.
[00:51:19] <cncjerry> I just have to find a video card in my junk pile.
[00:51:26] <ReadError> yike
[00:51:28] <ReadError> grab an attom
[00:51:33] <ReadError> atom*
[00:51:38] <cncjerry> how much are they?
[00:51:44] <ReadError> like 70$ or so
[00:51:47] <r00t4rd3d> 100 for everything
[00:51:56] <r00t4rd3d> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Intel-D525MW-Mini-ITX-Motherboard-w-Atom-525-CPU-/200542103383?pt=Motherboards&hash=item2eb13da757
[00:51:57] <ReadError> yea this assumes you have the case and psu..
[00:52:17] <cncjerry> yes, but that is the question. PSU might be bad.
[00:52:20] <Valen> http://dx.com/p/double-sided-2-digit-display-pct-desktop-pc-dual-analyzer-post-debug-card-129642 are good
[00:52:27] <Valen> rip the one out of the shuttle
[00:52:35] <ReadError> i upgraded my macbook to 16gb
[00:52:36] <cncjerry> onboard
[00:52:40] <ReadError> so i had extra modules
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[00:53:11] <cncjerry> but the standard silver shuttle has enough gas for linuxcnc?
[00:53:19] <Valen> looks to
[00:53:22] <ReadError> what cpu?
[00:53:25] <r00t4rd3d> http://www.ebay.com/itm/4GB-2X2GB-DDR3-1333MHz-204-pin-PC3-10600S-Laptop-RAM-/271103450247?pt=US_Memory_RAM_&hash=item3f1f065c87
[00:53:28] <Valen> or just stuff that disk in there and go for it ;->
[00:53:32] <ReadError> well for example, my intel core2duo
[00:53:36] <r00t4rd3d> then that memory to power the computer up
[00:53:40] <ReadError> had like 4-5x the latency of that poor little atom
[00:53:46] <r00t4rd3d> assuming you have a working atx power supply
[00:53:56] <cncjerry> that's the problem, I don't know what is in it. I'm sure it is newer than this massive machine I've been using.
[00:54:06] <Valen> cat /proc/cpuinfo
[00:54:19] <cncjerry> brb
[00:54:19] <ReadError> Valen: its not booting tho is it?
[00:54:26] <Valen> his new one is
[00:54:29] <Valen> the shuttle
[00:54:53] <r00t4rd3d> 107.54 for what most of us here use.
[00:55:51] <cncjerry> cat says celeron 2.4mhz
[00:55:57] <ReadError> is there a good PCIe card that works out of the box?
[00:56:15] <ReadError> w/o having to modprobe/compile drivers
[00:56:16] <cncjerry> the shuttle is booting
[00:56:20] <cncjerry> the old machine is not
[00:56:42] <Valen> ReadError: for what?
[00:56:44] <adb> 2.4mhz ? Ghz
[00:56:50] <cncjerry> yes, more like it
[00:57:13] <Valen> cncjerry: does it say it twice? as in cpu0 and cpu1?
[00:57:14] <cncjerry> so that should do it. I put a parallel port adapter in the only slot and linux found ti
[00:57:49] <ReadError> Valen: I want to keep my mill and router hooked up
[00:57:53] <ReadError> i can swap the cables out
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[00:58:05] <cncjerry> no, cat says only one cpu
[00:58:07] <ReadError> but since the parport is referenced in the config I figured I could just use a 2nd
[00:58:18] <Valen> ahh, thats a little irritating lol
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[00:58:33] <Valen> dual cpu is nifty ;->
[00:58:43] <ReadError> figured if i could plop another parport card in, would make things easy
[00:58:57] <Valen> ReadError: no idea sorry, pcie pport, just sounds weird lol
[00:59:20] <ReadError> i *think* thats what the mobo has
[00:59:21] <cncjerry> I have another massive machine next to this one, I can cable that one up, but I use that for CAD/CAM work while the mill is runniong.
[00:59:36] <Valen> how old is it?
[00:59:42] <ReadError> 1x 32 Bit PCI
[00:59:47] <ReadError> maybe it is just normal PCI
[00:59:48] <cncjerry> that one is 2004?
[01:00:08] <Valen> I just got my first non-legacy (pcie only) mbo a few days ago
[01:00:11] <cncjerry> funny how old things get
[01:00:26] <Valen> which is a little irritating as i have no pcie wireless cards and about 45 pci ones
[01:01:05] <tjb1> pcw_home: You here?
[01:01:13] <cncjerry> I have a killer HP, an Imac, mac air, couple laptops, etc. as well but the machines in the shop have been running trouble free for 12 yrs?
[01:01:29] <cncjerry> I guess that is as long as they go.
[01:02:06] <cncjerry> I think I have an old diamond speedstar video board somewhere. I find something and report back.
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[01:02:37] <tjb1> Valen: Do you do HAL?
[01:02:48] <Connor> r00t4rd3d: yup. one of those 237 sold, is me! :)
[01:02:48] <Valen> nope lol
[01:03:17] <tjb1> :(
[01:03:48] <Connor> tjb1: Whatcha trying to do ?
[01:03:51] <tjb1> http://pastebin.com/YB17SWVZ
[01:04:02] <tjb1> Just want to know if I am getting the commands right
[01:04:29] <Connor> Oh. I know enough of hal for stepper stuff.. nothing about encoders yet..
[01:05:16] <gene77> chinese screws are gonna be the end of me yet. Anybody know where I can get a chinese grease gun that fits the smallest chineze zerk? I just spent 2 hours modifying an American right angle fitting only to find the head profile is NOT the same. Grrrrrrrr
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[01:08:39] <tjtr33> try TaoBao Focus its the chinese ebay ( or Tao Bao proper, tho thats in Mandarin)
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[01:09:18] <gene77> I just measured, its 5.75 mm across the tops of the fairly coarse thread. Too small for an American 1/4 28 zerk
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[01:10:35] <Valen> sure its not a standard (to chinese tollerences) metric size?
[01:11:59] <tjtr33> 6mm is a std metric size http://www.lincolnindustrial.com/Catalogs/_English/09-LFIC/pg02-21.pdf
[01:12:21] <ReadError> tjb1, you get that cable chain kit ?
[01:12:29] <tjb1> What cable chain kit?
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[01:12:42] <ReadError> the one on CRP
[01:12:48] <tjb1> Nope
[01:12:53] <ReadError> make your own?
[01:12:55] <tjb1> Tom_itx: Are you good with HAL?
[01:13:01] <tjb1> Nope
[01:13:04] <tjb1> eBay special
[01:13:34] <cncjerry> plot thickens
[01:13:45] <cncjerry> pulled the memory and it beeps like crazy
[01:14:06] <Valen> ah har
[01:14:09] <cncjerry> tried two PCI display cards, neither will give video
[01:14:33] <cncjerry> if it is smart enough to beep it should be smart enough to display something, no?
[01:14:38] <Valen> so it is actually starting to post
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[01:14:50] <Valen> this is where that port-80 card comes in really handy ;->
[01:15:08] <cncjerry> yes, so the port-80 card can tell you to throw it away sooner
[01:15:09] <Valen> check the pins in the ram slots with a magnifing glass for a bent pin
[01:15:23] <Valen> its easier than it sounds
[01:16:27] <cncjerry> so it must be testing the memory to be ok. I have 4 x 512k sticks so it is going beyond. can't be keyboard, usb, etc.
[01:16:40] <cncjerry> must be CPU.
[01:17:15] <cncjerry> I tried pulling the handles and moving it around essentially reseating it.
[01:17:34] <cncjerry> I wonder if it is still PSU
[01:17:55] <Valen> unlikey if you are getting beeps
[01:18:01] <Valen> but its not hard to test
[01:18:38] <cncjerry> it isn't hard to test if you have an ATX PSU lying around.
[01:18:49] <cncjerry> I have a bunch of AT type.
[01:18:52] <Valen> shuttle has one
[01:19:10] <cncjerry> it's integrated I think, no? let me go look.
[01:19:22] <Valen> its special but close
[01:20:54] <cncjerry> yes, it is small, I don't think I want to pull the nicely laid cables. I'll go buy one from best buy and return it before I mess with my backup plan.
[01:21:10] <cncjerry> wonder if they still sell them
[01:23:23] <cncjerry> dynex 400w $35
[01:23:29] <cncjerry> available now
[01:23:52] <cncjerry> what's the verdict? blown cpu or mother board or PSU?
[01:24:14] <cncjerry> or plug in the shittle
[01:24:57] <cncjerry> I have no other plans for the shuttle anyway. paid $5 for it.
[01:25:12] <cncjerry> $15 for the flatscreen monitor
[01:26:25] <Spida> where?
[01:26:52] <cncjerry> the monitor? halted electronics in Santa Rosa. It is called a Planar.
[01:26:54] <cncjerry> surplus
[01:27:42] <gene77> A lincon 103307E might be what I need, but no pix available.
[01:29:09] <gene77> No american greae gun fits this even when its removed, the thing is that much different sized.
[01:30:53] <gene77> The whole head that supposedly engages the gun is about 30 thou smaller that our on this side of the big pond.
[01:34:38] <gene77> I think I hear dinner calling, later & thanks titr33
[01:38:43] <r00t4rd3d> "Gene come up from the basement, I got your mac&cheese ready!"
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[01:44:33] <Valen> cncjerry: plug in the shuttle
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[01:52:32] <cncjerry> valen, just downloaded the latest linuxcnc. I'm going to pull the newest drive in the machine, plug it into the second port and try to find my config. I've been meaning to get rid of this dinosaur anyway.
[01:52:50] <Valen> just plug the drive in and boot off it
[01:54:00] <Valen> i wouldn't bother screwing around unless you suspect the other disk
[01:54:01] <cncjerry> I was thinking about that but windows would barf.
[01:54:08] <Valen> windows?
[01:54:53] <cncjerry> I had windows on the old machine. if you took a drive out of a windows machine and tried booting it on another, it might work bu generally wouldn't. I don't know if linux will or not.
[01:55:12] <cncjerry> can you boot a linux installed drive on any machine?
[01:55:28] <Valen> linux will be fine
[01:55:32] <Valen> 99% of the time
[01:55:59] <cncjerry> well, there you go. one more reason to go linux. I'll try it, nothing to lose
[01:56:06] <Valen> only issue really is if your drive has grub installed on it and was the boot device
[01:56:30] <Valen> it can get hinkey with multiple drives in the computer
[01:56:36] <cncjerry> no, linux wasn't installed on the boot, I know that for sure
[01:56:41] <Valen> but crap its like 5 seconds to find out
[01:57:09] <cncjerry> not much room in the shuttle, have to figure out how to get the drive in there.
[01:57:13] <Valen> worst case you can boot the livecd and reinstall grub
[01:57:25] <Valen> I'd suggest just hanging it out the side of the case for the moment
[02:14:40] <cncjerry> valen, I owe you a beer
[02:14:47] <cncjerry> saved me some time. it is booting
[02:14:58] <Valen> hah victory!
[02:14:59] <Valen> lol
[02:15:07] <Valen> I'll take a 4X thanks ;->
[02:15:12] <Valen> aka XXXX
[02:15:15] <cncjerry> the killer is the original boot drive that the other system couldn't find prior to the overall failure is ok as well
[02:15:34] <cncjerry> so something on the mother board must have crashed
[02:15:46] <Valen> so the origional PC is booting now?
[02:15:48] <cncjerry> the first symptom was a drive missing.
[02:16:03] <cncjerry> no, the original PC is dead. the drive in the shuttle is booting
[02:16:14] <Valen> ok just checking lol
[02:16:33] <cncjerry> I found the linux drive on the third try and hooked it to the shuttle and it is coming up.
[02:16:53] <Valen> ahh ok lol
[02:16:54] <cncjerry> the original master drive from the dead PC wasn't being seen last week
[02:16:55] <Valen> good stuff
[02:17:07] <cncjerry> so something popped in the mother board I bet.
[02:17:15] <cncjerry> rats get in there
[02:17:25] <Valen> had that happen to me
[02:17:29] <Valen> bastards
[02:17:38] <cncjerry> the kids snake was missing for two weeks and I found it wrapped in there as well.
[02:17:46] <cncjerry> 6ft king snake
[02:17:51] <cncjerry> must have been warm
[02:17:57] <Valen> rofl
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[02:19:14] <cncjerry> how do I find the parallel port address for the second lpt
[02:19:26] <cncjerry> and I guess I have to change my config file?
[02:19:37] <cncjerry> x378 is the first
[02:19:43] <cncjerry> isnt the second 2bc
[02:20:09] <cncjerry> it booted all the way, my desktop is there, ini files, etc.
[02:20:45] <Valen> finding port addresses i don't know
[02:20:49] <Valen> bios might tell you
[02:20:51] <tjb1> Heh
[02:20:53] <tjb1> Finding port addresses is fun
[02:21:24] <tjb1> lspci -v
[02:22:11] <Valen> I'd suggest poking round in the bios as being easier lol
[02:22:33] <tjb1> Is this an added card or mobo parport?
[02:23:39] <cncjerry> yes, added card. I couldn't find a cable to fit the shuttle mother board connector
[02:23:54] <cncjerry> so the address should be 2bc but who knows with the added card
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[02:26:26] <cncjerry> lspci -v gave me a bunch of stuff but it says irq 19 and ports at 9400
[02:30:13] <Valen> the added card should probably say on itself
[02:30:24] <Valen> although i guess PnP could shift it arund
[02:30:35] <Valen> pshaw kids today with their plug and play pci devices
[02:32:16] <cncjerry> I have another parallel port card, a dual, that has a ton of jumpers and you can set it to about anything. so if this one doesn't work, I'll throw that one in there.
[02:32:39] <cncjerry> I have a feeling the 9400 is the port address if I am reading the lspci -v correctly. everything else matches
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[02:38:49] <cncjerry> is there an easy way to change my config to parallel port 1 instead of 0? I guess I change the hal file but there are a lot of references to '0' that I'm not sure about.
[02:40:44] <skunkworks> cncjerry: I have had almost all of our shuttle computers fail... (they came on some vinyl cutters we got) I don't like them.
[02:41:00] <skunkworks> different models, ages.
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[02:41:53] <skunkworks> about 5 or 6 of them
[02:42:58] <cncjerry> well, who knows? this cost me $5 scrap. It's been running for a while. I was going to use it to loop record music. If it fails I'll pitch it. at least I was able to get my config files. I'll backup everything and go from there.
[02:43:49] <cncjerry> the cpu/mother board on the machine that crashed probly cost me $1500 in 2001 / 2002 so compared to the shuttle....
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[02:45:52] <skunkworks> heh
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[02:46:13] <skunkworks> Crazy how these things work ou
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[02:47:42] <cncjerry> I just have to figure out how to change my hal file to match these addresses.
[02:48:08] <jdh> cat foo.hal |sed -e "s/parport\.0/parport\.1/g" >foonew.hal
[02:48:09] <cncjerry> I have two other parallel port cards but they are old ISA bus. wonder if I can still buy one
[02:48:27] <cncjerry> jdh. do I have to change the address as well?
[02:49:09] <jdh> yeah
[02:49:19] <jdh> you have to add the other address
[02:49:20] <cncjerry> i saw a statement at the top of the file where 0x378 was specified. that is the typical address for lpt1.
[02:49:41] <cncjerry> but does 9400 look like a valid address for the second one?
[02:50:00] <jdh> not really
[02:50:04] <jdh> what are the other choices
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[02:50:34] <cncjerry> I got that address off of lspci -v. it shows the card name, etc so it is finding the card.
[02:51:25] <jdh> aren't there multiple addresses listed for it?
[02:52:40] <Nick001> try lspci -vv gives all the info
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[02:53:26] <Nick001> I think the last block of info is the parports
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[02:54:26] <jdh> only one I ever had was c000
[02:56:03] <pcw_home> Just depends on where the BIOS sticks it
[02:57:12] <cncjerry> lspci -vv gave 9400 for 8, irq19
[02:57:31] <cncjerry> I assume it is the 8 bit interface.
[02:57:42] <tjb1> Can you copy and paste the lspci -v
[02:58:05] <tjb1> or maybe try "cat /proc/ioports"
[02:58:08] <tjb1> I think that is the one
[02:58:48] <jdh> or maybe dmesg |grep parport
[02:58:49] <tjtr33> sudo lshw iirc
[02:59:27] <r00t4rd3d> lsmod | grep parport
[02:59:30] <tjb1> cat /proc/ioports will call at least one of them "parport0" and it might label the second "parport0" as well
[02:59:34] <tjtr33> damn thats heavy snow
[02:59:49] <r00t4rd3d> we are suppose to get 2' over night
[03:00:03] <cncjerry> cat proc gave me the same, 9400 - 9407 paraport0
[03:00:08] <ReadError> do any of you use an online packing tracking site?
[03:00:10] <cncjerry> or parport
[03:00:15] <tjtr33> i just shoveld 4" of "artly cloudy"
[03:00:16] <tjb1> ReadError: www.packagetrackr.com
[03:00:19] <ReadError> something i can put a bunch of #s in to and it lets me know updates
[03:00:31] <ReadError> oh nice
[03:00:54] <tjb1> cncjerry: Does it list 378 for the other?
[03:01:09] <cncjerry> supposed to snow like crazy in newport, RI, my son is in boarding school there. they are already talking about closing school and not one flake yet.
[03:01:22] <cncjerry> I don't have the other parallel port enabled.
[03:01:39] <cncjerry> also, the PCI bus starts at like 9000 or something, so that all makes sense
[03:01:57] <cncjerry> I don't doubt the address, just never saw one that high.
[03:02:25] <r00t4rd3d> tjb1, do you have a motorized bicycle?
[03:02:40] <tjb1> No
[03:02:49] <tjb1> cncjerry: can you pastebin that?
[03:02:56] <cncjerry> no.
[03:03:13] <cncjerry> not online right now
[03:03:45] <tjb1> The parport in my d525mw is 1008
[03:03:54] <tjb1> I got that from lspci -v
[03:04:03] <tjb1> It was one of the "IO ports at ……."
[03:04:18] <cncjerry> can you check your hal to see if that address is plugged in there?
[03:04:52] <tjb1> I put it in myself
[03:05:18] <cncjerry> so you put the 1008 in? if that is the case, i'm not worried.
[03:05:19] <tjb1> http://pastebin.com/cQJRW3D7
[03:05:28] <tjb1> Thats my fresh HAL that I am working on now...
[03:05:39] <cncjerry> I'll try it tomorrow and report back. thanks for all the help.
[03:05:46] <cncjerry> booting that drive saved hours.
[03:05:53] <tjb1> Just plug in all the numbers in IO ports at…. until it works
[03:06:28] <cncjerry> still bugs me that the other machine won't boot. never had that type of fault. just about all others...
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[04:27:03] <tjb1> and were back!
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[04:33:34] <ReadError> doin some hardcore wood working action
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[04:44:34] <Connor> jdh: you around ?
[04:44:39] <jdh> kind of
[04:44:47] <Connor> looks like my touch screen and keyboard will be here tomorrow. :)
[04:44:50] <Connor> *dance*
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[04:44:58] <jdh> speedy
[04:45:07] <Connor> Coming from just outside of Memphis..
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[04:45:43] <ReadError> where you at Connor ?
[04:45:48] <Connor> Knoxville
[04:46:07] <ReadError> ahh
[04:46:09] <jdh> KnoxVegas
[04:46:14] <ReadError> im in north GA
[04:46:18] <ReadError> but work in atlanta
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[04:46:56] <Connor> I think I may try gscreen out with it..
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[04:49:20] <Connor> www.ebay.com/itm/130843317449
[04:49:35] <Connor> hehe.. good deal.. 125 + 40 or so to ship.. not bad..
[05:00:43] <alex4nder>       
[05:00:43] <alex4nder>
[05:00:47] <alex4nder> jesus
[05:00:49] <alex4nder> fucking client.
[05:01:33] <tjb1> I do believe pennsylvania is about to get destroyed
[05:01:55] <alex4nder> by flood and fire?
[05:02:44] <tjb1> by rain and snow
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[05:04:09] <jdh> it's going to get down in the 40s here tonight
[05:05:16] <tjb1> 32 here now
[05:07:27] <jdh> http://www.intellicast.com/WxImages/SNOWcast/rut_048.jpg?t=888
[05:10:08] <tjtr33> r00t4rd3d, the bikes http://imagebin.org/245900 ebike http://imagebin.org/245901 gasbike
[05:10:45] <tjtr33> and on topic http://imagebin.org/245902 emdgen http://imagebin.org/245903 sable 3axis Senkung EDM
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[05:19:48] <r00t4rd3d> where the motor on the ebike?
[05:20:17] <tjtr33> below crank
[05:20:30] <tjtr33> freewheel on sprocket
[05:20:41] <r00t4rd3d> oh i see it now
[05:21:17] <tjtr33> oh, not very visible in that shot, only 400w
[05:21:45] <tjtr33> hangs on bracket where kickstand was
[05:21:48] <r00t4rd3d> you put a battery on the rack?
[05:22:14] <tjtr33> yep, then i take it inside the public libray & get free inet & re-charge ( Mr Cheap :)
[05:22:29] <tjtr33> in a bag
[05:25:31] <tjtr33> battery cnx to that 3 prong plug under the seat, the PAS is disabled , so just throttle control
[05:25:38] <r00t4rd3d> wish i could afford a Morini engine.
[05:25:53] <r00t4rd3d> http://www.herdan.com/engines/
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[05:27:02] <r00t4rd3d> I would love the air cooled S6
[05:27:37] <r00t4rd3d> either one
[05:27:53] <tjtr33> or... buy 6 of the anglefire and run forever, and have change left over ( Mr Cheap again )
[05:29:26] <r00t4rd3d> i got 1000 miles out of a cheap no name one
[05:29:50] <tjtr33> this interested me http://www.ebay.com/itm/STARTER-MOTOR-ATV-Dirt-Bike-50cc-90cc-110cc-125cc-LOWER-/170405923487
[05:29:51] <tjtr33> i got 2 security system batteries on mine, and a generator on the motor
[05:30:30] <tjtr33> yeah, learn how to sleev or replace the bearings, and run it forever
[05:32:27] <r00t4rd3d> I lost a needle bearing in the top of the piston rod and it blew
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[05:33:26] <r00t4rd3d> I can and will probably fix it for a backup
[05:35:17] <tjtr33> cool stuff, gn8 for now
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[07:38:47] <DJ9DJ> moin
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[08:22:57] <Jymmm> archivist: Do you do any kind of artistic brass "scrollwork" type carving/decoration?
[08:23:27] <archivist> as part of repair
[08:24:25] <Jymmm> Is it a lost art? Time consuming? Special order?
[08:24:36] <archivist> I engraved new to match the old http://www.collection.archivist.info/searchv13.php?searchstr=norfolk+dial
[08:24:43] <archivist> not a lost art
[08:25:16] <archivist> time consuming yes
[08:26:24] <archivist> some amount of hand skill required also need to be artistic
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[08:26:54] <Jymmm> any decorative alternatives that could be "mass produced"?
[08:28:06] <archivist> stamping
[08:28:45] <Jymmm> This is thin walled tubing, I think it'll just crush it.
[08:29:04] <archivist> backing roll in the tube
[08:29:17] <Jymmm> Ah, ok.
[08:29:59] <Jymmm> I know where to get a stamp made too =)
[08:30:20] <archivist> some is done just by the rolling process before crop/folding to final item
[08:32:01] <Jymmm> I'll be getting the tubes pre-made/cut.
[08:38:07] <Jymmm> nice work btw
[08:39:13] <Jymmm> I've always wanted to do/learn scrollwork, but sadly it's far underappreciated
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[09:17:56] <archivist_herron> that is called engraving, to me scrollwork is something blacksmiths do
[09:19:13] <Jymmm> and this? http://www.gundigest.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/Engraved_8.jpg
[09:19:45] <Jymmm> I think that's just fucking amazing
[09:20:40] <archivist_herron> some of that is filled with coloured wax
[09:21:10] <archivist_herron> see the numerals on the clock dial, they are filled with black hard wax
[09:21:20] <Jymmm> I have never know what it was filled with, just for contrast.
[09:21:39] <Jymmm> I thought it was some oxide/blueing process
[09:21:57] <archivist_herron> contrast/consistency
[09:22:45] <archivist_herron> engraving steel is a little harder
[09:23:11] <Jymmm> I do a lot of monochromatic stuff, so always focusing on ways to get better contrast. But never in metals
[09:23:58] <Jymmm> I tried engraving text on a piece of al plate once, it wasn't pretty at all
[09:24:32] <Jymmm> I think the al had oxided or something
[09:25:10] <Jymmm> the engraving tooling was brand new
[09:25:13] <archivist_herron> al does, it is also deliberate, anodising
[09:25:57] <Jymmm> Yeah, I just dont work with metal enough to know such a thing occures (at that time)
[09:26:27] <Jymmm> I just figured an engraving tool would cut right thru such things.
[09:28:22] <Jymmm> Heh, I STILL have NFC what/hw the "oxide" is/got there =)
[09:28:30] <Jymmm> s/hw/how/
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[10:08:41] <archivist_herron> Jymmm, aluminium oxide= saphire = hard = http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aluminium_oxide
[10:14:36] <Jymmm> "is an electrical insulator"... HAd I known, would have been a easy test for oxide
[10:16:02] <Jymmm> Is there a easy way to remove the oxide, less smelting it?
[10:16:55] <Jymmm> Melts at 2K C?! Eeeeesh
[10:17:07] <archivist_herron> it forms instantly/quickly on al, it is why it stays shiny
[10:18:16] <Jymmm> This plate was dull/powderish in appearance, I just didn't give it no never mind.
[10:20:40] <Jymmm> I *think* I want to get into (personal) gunsmithing/creation, if for nothing else to see if I can. It's legal for personal-use, just need to read the details.
[10:21:47] <Jymmm> I'm more concerned about it blowing my head off because I don't know have enough metallurgy knowledge.
[10:24:19] <archivist_herron> chose a safer occupation
[10:26:18] <p0g0> yeah, that's not for beginners.
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[12:13:22] <frallzor> anyone can provide some nice "stepper testing" code
[12:13:39] <frallzor> continous circle with Z going in a sinus pattern etc etc or similar?
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[12:33:48] <jthornton> there is a stepper testing example in the manual
[12:35:39] <frallzor> oh
[12:36:13] <frallzor> isnt that just Z axis going up and down
[12:36:27] <frallzor> and any axis going back and forth
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[12:38:45] <frallzor> would like a 3D test
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[12:38:51] <frallzor> something that uses all axis in a nice manner
[12:39:31] <frallzor> a circled sine-curve woule be awesome =)
[12:40:01] <frallzor> or a spiraled sine-curve
[12:40:43] <r00t4rd3d> its not that kinda test
[12:41:04] <frallzor> then its not the kinda test i want =P
[12:41:27] <frallzor> I know what its for, just want something to check all axis at the same time
[12:41:35] <frallzor> see if that causes issues
[12:42:53] <Valen> G0 x100y100z100 G0 x0y0z0
[12:42:56] <Valen> lather and repeat
[12:43:29] <frallzor> not really a challenging test
[12:43:33] <jthornton> so make it do what you want
[12:43:37] <Valen> hint, you can queue up the next one whilst the last one is running
[12:43:54] <Valen> it'll test the butt out of your power supplies and drivers
[12:43:55] <frallzor> jthornton cant see how I would make a sine-curved circle =)
[12:44:05] <Valen> what error are you testing for
[12:44:20] <archivist_herron> spiral.ngc
[12:44:32] <Valen> archivist_herron: you seem to have a growth
[12:44:52] <archivist_herron> at a customers site
[12:45:08] <frallzor> lost steps during 3D-machining, want to push the same known program over and over and see what happens now when ive changed values
[12:45:40] <Valen> a set of rapids is more likley to expose errors than smooth circles
[12:45:43] <jthornton> o100 repeat [1000000]
[12:45:54] <jthornton> yep
[12:46:05] <archivist_herron> real machining adds load and friction
[12:46:10] <jthornton> rapids with 180 degree direction changes
[12:46:23] <Valen> also rapids in the same direction
[12:46:23] <frallzor> didnt lose steps when doing rapids
[12:46:24] <archivist_herron> remember to allow some headway
[12:46:30] <frallzor> in the middle of final pass on a detail
[12:46:59] <frallzor> 1-2mm of wood and like 2mm stepover
[12:47:15] <frallzor> not really lots of friction and load there
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[12:48:07] <frallzor> guest the best way is to simple sacrifice some material and run the same program agin
[12:48:12] <frallzor> *simply
[12:49:31] <Valen> could be our mill
[12:49:45] <Valen> with a 100kg head, rapids have way more load than cutting
[12:50:48] <frallzor> Ill just make as much difference I can and run it again when there is time, clean up, check wiring etc
[12:50:57] <frallzor> if all id good then, good for me =)
[12:50:59] <frallzor> *is
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[13:08:43] <r00t4rd3d> http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=2e4_1360275078
[13:08:52] <r00t4rd3d> fuck that
[13:09:47] <r00t4rd3d> the first one is text book, after that, not so much.
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[13:21:56] <r00t4rd3d> awesome: http://i.imgur.com/z4fsUbm.jpg
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[13:23:24] <jthornton> neat
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[13:56:55] <tjtr33> r00t4rd3d, you know the guys behind the Death Race on Pike Peak? www.spookytoothcycles.com
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[14:11:22] <jdh> anyone have a vesa mount drawing?
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[14:20:42] <tjtr33> r00t4rd3d, http://www.blacksheepbikes.com/ look for the zamer, its 36" tires make you feel like a kid again
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[14:36:30] <FinboySlick> jdh: http://www.space-pod.co.uk/VESA_monitor_standards.htm Something like that?
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[14:41:40] <jdh> That will work. Thanks!
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[15:27:17] <skunkworks> zultron, I ran the tools for 12 hours - peaked out at 32us. Running the latency-test right now. I have no clue what was different from the other day - smi and everthing was done the same..
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[15:32:11] <Jymmm> archivist: Nah, where's the fun in that? ;)
[15:33:21] <Jymmm> archivist: If JT-Shop was ever to blow himself up, I'll know the limit line =)
[15:35:22] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: Hey, in regards to ignition sources, were you looking for reusable or mainly remote/electrical?
[15:36:49] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: and at what voltage?
[15:42:03] <JT-Shop> Jymmm: for the cannon or the potato gun?
[15:42:16] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: doesn't matter
[15:42:58] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: whats the fuel in the spud gun?
[15:44:29] <JT-Shop> White Rain
[15:44:43] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: power source?
[15:45:00] <JT-Shop> piezo
[15:45:30] <Jymmm> Oh, then why did you even mention spud gun as you already have an ignition source?
[15:45:37] <JT-Shop> "do you stil have the bike for sale?" 302 area code LOL they never give up
[15:45:59] <JT-Shop> well that was the last ignition thing I was wanting to improve
[15:46:18] <Jymmm> Hit it harder =)
[15:47:06] <Jymmm> So, you found igniters for the cannon already?
[15:49:30] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: Get a small stun gun and retro fit it. They usually just use a 9V battery so that would be easy to mount.
[15:49:57] <Jymmm> Nice 1-2" spark gap should work nicely
[15:50:56] <Jymmm> Could just parallel up a few 9V batteries for extended usage
[15:50:58] <JT-Shop> I looked at that
[15:53:41] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: How long of fuse do you use INSIDE the cannon?
[15:55:08] <JT-Shop> 1 12/16"
[15:55:41] <Jymmm> 1.75"
[15:55:59] <JT-Shop> or less
[15:56:28] <Jymmm> 30s safety fuse?
[15:56:37] <JT-Shop> don't remember
[15:56:48] <Jymmm> But safety fuse at least?
[15:57:20] <JT-Shop> no clue, it came in a rubber band
[15:57:26] <Jymmm> lol
[15:57:56] <Jymmm> I got a few different types (all safety fuse) to try out.
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[15:58:26] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: Did you find a solution for electrical ignition or no?
[15:58:34] <Jymmm> of the cannon
[15:58:49] <ormandj> is the g0704 still the go-to machine for price vs. performance tradeoff re: home/garage metal mill? looking to get a cnc mill up and running, have been reading on cnczone, but figured some direct feedback could be useful
[15:59:17] <JT-Shop> gave up for now, other things in the fire
[15:59:37] <JT-Shop> is that a Griz?
[16:00:16] <ormandj> yeah
[16:00:30] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: Ah, I could make them, but I'm not sure how to ship them. Since I get my fuses via USPS Ground, it should be ok to mail them if packed properly.
[16:01:02] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: What voltage? 12/13.8VDC ?
[16:01:07] <JT-Shop> ormandj: there seems to be some talk on the forum about a G0704
[16:01:25] <JT-Shop> Jymmm: want an apple... I'm going to get me one
[16:01:48] <ormandj> JT-Shop: it was/is a very popular mill for cnc conversions, just curious if it was still the 'best' tradeoff or not
[16:01:58] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: Honey Crisp Apple
[16:02:17] <JT-Shop> I can't help with that all my machines are industrial sized
[16:02:19] <ormandj> Jymmm: fuji are better :p
[16:02:34] <JT-Shop> let me see what we have in the apple bowl
[16:02:45] <Jymmm> ormandj: If you have no taste, then sure.
[16:02:46] <ormandj> JT-Shop: yeah, tons of info re: the big boys, the little garage-fitting wonders are a little more confusing :)
[16:03:08] <ormandj> Jymmm: !! fuji are the sweetest, crispist apples, and last longer than the rest
[16:03:19] <ormandj> sweeter/crisper than honeycrisps
[16:03:52] <Jymmm> Any sweeter and I might as well go for pure sugar instead.
[16:04:06] <ormandj> haha, that is true :)
[16:04:22] <Jymmm> It's not always sweetness, but they have a good flavor too.
[16:04:43] <skunkworks> ormandj, if you have the room - buy a older cnc with a dead control and convert it to linuxcnc
[16:05:04] <Jymmm> And a nice compliment to extra sharp white cheddar.
[16:06:08] <skunkworks> Then you don't have to deal with ball screws, oiling, coolant control, yahda yada yada yoda
[16:07:15] <JT-Shop> looks like the apple of the day is Jazz
[16:07:21] <Jymmm> Did you know.... You CAN perform a private party firearms sale without an FFL/paperwork as long as both parties are resident of the same state legally.
[16:07:37] <jdh> for long guns
[16:07:57] <Jymmm> ANY http://www.atf.gov/firearms/faq/unlicensed-persons.html#private-record-keeping
[16:09:03] <jdh> rest is state specific.
[16:09:57] <jdh> I can sell a handgun to an individual with no ATF/FFL, but there are state requirements for the purchaser
[16:11:05] <Jymmm> jdh: Bah, phuk me... Commifornia http://oag.ca.gov/firearms/pubfaqs#14
[16:11:24] <jdh> heh, .ca.us and .ma.us regs are the worst.
[16:12:21] <Jymmm> jdh: Well since I can AMKE my own guns legally (ATF), now I wonder what the state regs are for that?
[16:12:24] <Jymmm> MAKE
[16:16:27] <jdh> in .ca.us, probably pretty restrictive.
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[16:18:52] * JT-Shop wonders how you right click on a touch screen
[16:19:09] <Jymmm> double tap?
[16:19:22] <Jymmm> tap and hold?
[16:21:10] <FinboySlick> You use the fingers from your left hand! ;)
[16:22:01] <JT-Shop> I thought you use your little finger for right click
[16:22:59] <Jymmm> s/finger/toe/
[16:25:17] <jdh> wth Elo drivers, in windows, you can set it to long-press for right click, or have it bring up the right-click icon
[16:48:53] <ReadError> ormandj: G0704 seems like a nightmare
[16:48:59] <ReadError> talk to Connor
[16:56:36] <archivist> or a list of chinese machine users
[16:57:16] <archivist> start with an old industrial machine
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[17:54:18] <anonimas1> archivist: It repeats now
[17:54:19] <anonimas1> :)
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[17:56:05] <anonimasu> after alot of scraping to make them paralell.
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[17:57:25] <Connor> Someone say my name ?
[17:59:22] <jdh> my name
[17:59:54] <jdh> <ReadError> ormandj: G0704 seems like a nightmare
[17:59:59] <jdh> how so?
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[18:03:09] <zultron> skunkworks, 32us isn't so great, but not 'pathological' at least. (That term is from the Xeno wiki.)
[18:04:37] <zultron> To recap what you've done: smictrl, sound & legacy USB off in BIOS, anything I'm forgetting?
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[18:05:39] <JesusAlos> hi
[18:06:22] <Connor> ormandj: What specifically do you want to know with the G0704?
[18:07:04] <archivist> anonimasu, good :)
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[18:21:50] <Connor> cmorley: Well.. I read/skimmed over all 83 pages of the gscreen thread last night.. wow. lots of stuff.
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[18:24:30] <skunkworks> zultron, that is it...
[18:25:45] <ReadError> i have a feature request for the next release
[18:25:57] <ReadError> when you open the gcode, have the option to sort by date
[18:26:04] <ReadError> like the 'detailed' view
[18:26:44] <ReadError> Connor: im sure its worth the conversion
[18:26:48] <ReadError> just seems like a bunch of work
[18:29:55] <anonimasu> archivist: tho I'll add a setscrew to lock it once it's adjusted
[18:30:05] <anonimasu> and wipers, but atm I gotta make parts
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[18:57:52] <skunkworks> zultron, i have been running linuxcnc's latency-test for about 4+ hours and latency is <30us
[18:58:03] <skunkworks> So - I don't know. I am a bit uneasy about it.
[18:58:21] <zultron> Understandable.
[18:58:55] <zultron> I'd say keep it going until you feel more confident. My guess is we forgot something before one of the tests.
[18:59:06] <skunkworks> maybe.
[18:59:12] <zultron> You didn't save a log of all your test runs, I guess.
[18:59:29] <skunkworks> I have the one from overnight if you want
[18:59:43] <zultron> I mean, a log of all your work at the command line.
[19:00:15] <skunkworks> no
[19:00:28] <zultron> It looks like I should write a script that will automatically gather information needed for a test & put into a file: dmesg, smictrl, xeno-regression-test, etc.
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[19:00:52] <zultron> That'll take some of the guesswork out, hopefully.
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[19:12:34] <skunkworks> zultron, if this stays stable - I will boot it up into one of the amd apu machines and do the testing. (see that can be figured out)
[19:12:45] <skunkworks> (unless that runs fine now too ;)
[19:13:13] <zultron> Ok, great!
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[20:34:31] <tjb1> r00t4rd3d:
[20:34:42] <tjb1> http://mightytext.net/
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[20:35:35] <cncjerry> yo valen???
[20:35:56] <cncjerry> cncjerry here
[20:36:16] <cncjerry> yesterday you guys were helping me shoot a no-boot on my machine.
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[21:03:23] <cncjerry> I was able to get the shuttlex up and running by making a minor change to my hal file. everything is running.
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[21:06:31] <cncjerry> question is why the keyboard lags on jog, not only on this system, but on my old system (the one that died)
[21:06:51] <cncjerry> so why is the jog not consistent on both of these systems?
[21:07:34] <cncjerry> I made a change to Axis so that ctr+arrow keys do an incremental jog, and that has nothing to do with it as I have commented those lines and it fails the same way.
[21:07:54] <cncjerry> the old version 2.3 didn't have this sticky jog problem.
[21:08:01] <cncjerry> it started with the later release.
[21:08:26] <ReadError> what is your latency like?
[21:08:39] <cncjerry> when I looked at it after upgrading several months ago, everyone on here thought it was my computer or usb keyboard. now that I changed computers, it should be a non-issue
[21:09:03] <cncjerry> the last time I looked at this problem everyone thought it was latency
[21:09:35] <ReadError> yea but what kinda numbers are you getting
[21:10:22] <cncjerry> I can go run it, but yesterday everyone thought they were fine when I posted them from the shuttle before installing it today.
[21:11:18] <cncjerry> both the old and new machines act exactly the same. jog is inconsistent. so if I tap the arrow, I will get a bunch of moves like .01" and then a .5" with the same type of key press
[21:12:10] <ReadError> what if you set it to jog .01"
[21:12:15] <ReadError> will it still do that?
[21:13:41] <cncjerry> if I use ctrl+key (as in the mod I made to axis) it will jog exactly that amount every time, it just isn't timed consistently
[21:14:12] <micges> cncjerry: try different keyb
[21:15:02] <micges> maybe some key repeating problem on which Axis continiuos jogging depends
[21:15:10] <cncjerry> so I will be holding ctrl and tapping the arrow and it will be sneaking up on an edge using a finder and then it will hang for a few milliseconds and then move. so what happens is you think it didn't register the .001 jog, hit it again, and it moves the .001 plus .001 again.
[21:15:33] <cncjerry> but it happens on two different computers.
[21:15:42] <cncjerry> wildly different computers
[21:15:53] <micges> ah
[21:15:53] <cncjerry> with different keyboards. so it is a bug in something
[21:16:07] <cncjerry> it all started when I went to the latest version.
[21:16:33] <cncjerry> at first w thuoght latency, then usb vs ps2 keyboard.
[21:16:42] <cncjerry> tried both on both computers.
[21:17:41] <cncjerry> so the upgrade was a nightmare to begin with, I did it as I was running 2.3 (which was great) and wanted some of the path control changes.
[21:17:58] <micges> same lcnc setup on both pc?
[21:18:05] <cncjerry> same machine
[21:18:31] <cncjerry> different parallel part cards, but everything post parallel port is the same.
[21:18:57] <micges> pastebin config dir
[21:19:14] <cncjerry> whats comfig dir do?
[21:19:20] <cncjerry> config
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[21:25:11] <micges> check motion-controller.time at halscope while jogging, see of there are some heavy spikes
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[21:28:59] <cncjerry> k
[21:30:00] <cncjerry> what I can't figure, and I am going back down to the shop to see, is why I would be the only person with this problem?
[21:30:32] <cncjerry> the machine I was running on was a 2.9ghz pretty powerful machine with 4gb memory, etc.
[21:31:51] <micges> most error are config dependant
[21:35:11] <cncjerry> the max jitter is 5000 and 15000 on the latency test on this machine.
[21:35:21] <cncjerry> where does that come into play in configuration?
[21:35:59] <cncjerry> this machine has high CPR quad encoders with a high ratio servo so it is like 40,000 CPS per inch.
[21:36:36] <cncjerry> I am using the same configuration on this computer as the other so it could be the problem.
[21:36:40] <cncjerry> what would I adjust?
[21:36:52] <micges> jitter is dependant on io amount
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[21:37:32] <micges> you said it is parport setup?
[21:38:19] <cncjerry> yes parport with servo motors
[21:38:33] <cncjerry> also, this is the same config i used under 2.3 that worked.
[21:38:49] <cncjerry> so something changed from 2.3 to current release
[21:39:02] <cncjerry> also, where is halscope?
[21:39:16] <micges> menu machine->halscope
[21:40:59] <cncjerry> so with my jitter numbers being high (assumed) what would I change in the config? I can slow the machine down I guess. I think the max is set to 60ipm on this machine but I rarely use that speed, never under program control.
[21:41:26] <cncjerry> I have run it at 300 ipm but decide to just slow it down as the machine shook so bad.
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[21:48:49] <cncjerry> I just tried some incremental moves using the function from Axis opposed to my axis mods. it does the same thing, where you press the key slowly it moves perfectly, if you press it fast, I get a bunch of moves that are fine then it pauses and catches up.
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[21:56:58] <cncjerry> and motion control.time on halscope had spikes all over it.
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[21:58:03] <micges> what values?
[21:59:51] <cncjerry> I didn't look at values but the average looked flat and the spikes where about 4 to 5 blocks higher on the scope.
[22:00:12] <cncjerry> should I just lower my max speed on this thing?
[22:00:31] <cncjerry> are there any other config parameters I should play with given the latency numbers?
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[22:01:21] <jdh> you have high res quad encoders on p-port?
[22:01:41] <cncjerry> yes
[22:01:49] <jdh> how high?
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[22:01:51] <cncjerry> they worked fine on version 2.3
[22:02:20] <cncjerry> they are 500cpr in quad, so they are 2000 per rev,
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[22:02:32] <cncjerry> the motors are geared up about 5 to 1
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[22:02:50] <cncjerry> maybe 4 to 1,
[22:03:12] <cncjerry> so that is 8k per rev with a 10 to 1 screw. or 80k
[22:03:23] <cncjerry> but that sounds high for some reason.
[22:03:33] <DJ9DJ> gn8
[22:03:45] <jdh> whole thing sounds high for a p-port
[22:03:46] <cncjerry> according to the wiki, the base period might be set to low in config
[22:04:06] <cncjerry> sounds high, but like I keep saying, it worked under 2.3 perfectly for like 6 yrs
[22:04:15] <jdh> same kernel?
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[22:04:47] <cncjerry> no, when I upgraded to the latest I did a complete new install
[22:04:59] <cncjerry> so the new kernel is in there
[22:06:06] <cncjerry> I am trying to find out how the base_period is set by the step config wizard based on jitter.
[22:06:21] <cncjerry> this would limit my max speed I believe but that is fine.
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[22:06:35] <cncjerry> I do get more rtapi errors on this release than the prior older release
[22:06:48] <jdh> isn't the goal to get none?
[22:06:56] <cncjerry> one
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[22:07:08] <cncjerry> when you first start up you might get one.
[22:07:17] <skunkworks> cncjerry: that is bad..
[22:07:21] <skunkworks> You don't want any
[22:07:40] <cncjerry> after that, none and I get very few except when hitting the jog continuosly fast.
[22:07:52] <skunkworks> If you read the error - it says something to the effect - all following errors will be suppressed
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[22:08:39] <cncjerry> so I am going to crank-up base_period and see what happens if anything.
[22:08:50] <jdh> what is it now?
[22:11:08] <ReadError> w00t
[22:11:17] <ReadError> got my motors/controller/psu
[22:11:37] <jdh> w00t indeed.
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[22:12:10] <jdh> I got my Raspberry Pi mounted in the box, all incoming wires are socketed, works great, now I decide I need another input or two.
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[22:19:19] <tjb1> Anyone use VXB bearings?
[22:20:41] <jdh> I have them on my G0704
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[22:22:05] <tjb1> Good stuff?
[22:22:20] <tjb1> I need some pillow blocks…either VXB, the ones from adafruit or ebay special
[22:23:08] <cncjerry> I changed base period from 20,000 to 30,000 this gave me following errors on 60ipm rapids. so I lowered the max_velocity to 48ipm and it seems a little better.
[22:24:37] <cncjerry> so I dont know it this is the problem or not, as I said, version 2.3 ran perfectly with this config for years, at one point with the old machine, I had max_velocity up to 300ipm and it ran fine except the machine was taking a beating on vector changes.
[22:24:41] <cncjerry> so I don't get it.
[22:25:25] <cncjerry> I might reinstall the old release on another drive just to check it out.
[22:25:42] <micges> it seems that you have worse latencies on both pc
[22:26:08] <cncjerry> micges, I don't disagree, but why only on the new release?
[22:26:31] <cncjerry> It ran 5x faster on version 2.3 with no errors.
[22:27:05] <cncjerry> assuming I have a base_period problem
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[22:28:24] <cncjerry> I wonder what else in terms of parameters effect the performance?
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[22:43:42] <ReadError> hey tjb1
[22:43:49] <tjb1> hey ReadError
[22:43:51] <ReadError> can you repaste that mirroring configuration
[22:43:54] <ReadError> for the steppers
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[22:45:19] <tjb1> http://pastebin.com/cQJRW3D7
[22:45:39] <ReadError> ty sir
[22:46:13] <tjb1> wait
[22:46:27] <tjb1> lol that one is wrong
[22:46:40] <tjb1> Thats a before edit one….
[22:47:04] <ReadError> yea i dont see where its using 2 outputs
[22:47:19] <tjb1> http://pastebin.com/Q4nsqDnQ
[22:48:39] <ReadError> ahh i see
[22:48:50] <ReadError> so basically i can just add:
[22:48:51] <ReadError> net xdir => parport.0.pin-09-out
[22:51:34] <tjb1> or if you picked the G540 it probably added all 4 axis
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[22:51:50] <tjb1> You change A to X and invert it
[22:51:55] <tjb1> invert the direction
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[22:55:17] <ReadError> ahhh i see
[22:55:20] <ReadError> forgot about that
[22:55:30] <ReadError> i can just change it in the menu on Pin 8 and Pin 9
[22:55:38] <ReadError> have not been through the setup in a minute..
[22:57:01] <tjb1> Can you put all fuctions on servo thread or should the non floating point be placed on the base thread?
[22:58:54] <ReadError> whats the benefit of the chargepump?
[22:58:57] <ReadError> i never used it..
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[23:04:54] <JT-Shop> it keeps anything from moving until the software is in control... can be handy
[23:05:09] <tjb1> What did I miss?
[23:05:15] <tjb1> Chargepump?
[23:05:42] <ReadError> yea
[23:05:47] <ReadError> i never touched those trimpots either
[23:06:10] <tjb1> I cant get charge pump for the G540 to work on PCI cards so you need to use mobo port if you want to use that
[23:06:26] <ReadError> you got a PCI parport card?
[23:06:41] <ReadError> i need to get one
[23:07:09] <tjb1> yes
[23:07:15] <tjb1> Its a netmos card
[23:08:15] <tjb1> http://www.ebay.com/itm/SYBA-SYB-SY-PCI10002-I-O-Card-2Port-Parallel-Printer-PCI-Netmos-9865-Chip-/251058187500?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3a743becec
[23:08:34] <ReadError> works w/o any changes?
[23:08:34] <tjb1> wait its this one - http://www.ebay.com/itm/SYBA-SY-PCI10001-1-DB-25-Parallel-Printer-Port-PCI-Controller-Card-Netmos-9865-/271005645528?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3f1931fad8
[23:08:41] <ReadError> no modprobing and stuff
[23:08:47] <tjb1> I dont even know what modprobing is
[23:10:09] <jdh> tbj1: they were just relatively inexpensive bearings. ACB's for the ball screws.
[23:10:39] <tjb1> I am going to get 8mm pillow blocks for 3d printer
[23:11:00] <tjb1> $16 for 4 from ebay, $40 for 4 from VXB
[23:11:22] <jdh> could be fine.
[23:11:42] <jdh> or, you could spend $56
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