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[00:37:26] <Jymmm> that was bad
[00:37:53] <Jymmm> missed it by a yard
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[00:43:03] <Jymmm> and the commercials are bad this year
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[00:48:04] <ReadError> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HZjvDbKxbz4
[00:48:09] <ReadError> i bet she got paid a bunch to do that
[00:53:19] <tjb1> ReadError: You have one of them LCDs
[00:54:52] <ReadError> nah
[00:54:56] <ReadError> dont need one
[00:56:31] <tjb1> Do you even print from SD/
[01:01:18] <ReadError> nah
[01:02:25] <tjb1> Never had a problem? I can only get to 115200
[01:05:09] <tjb1> I think that may have been my problem on that bridge print
[01:05:15] <tjb1> The infill was so many small moves it couldnt keep up
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[01:16:34] * Jymmm isnt impressed with the half time show
[01:18:49] <tjb1> A nice blonde in the back row
[01:19:19] <tjb1> Why dont they get like Five Finger Death Punch to do the halftime show
[01:21:38] <Jymmm> Heh, someone coping a feel
[01:24:12] <pcw_home> skunkworks: yes the 7I76 has the spindle encoder but it can also use 4 inputs for 2 MPG encoders
[01:26:14] <Connor> pcw_home: Can you use two encoders on the 7i76 ? One for Spindle, and one for a servo type setup ?
[01:26:31] <pcw_home> No
[01:28:16] <Connor> Can't use 3 Digital I/O's straight into linuxcnc ?
[01:28:54] <pcw_home> Well there are a lot of options (use other 5i25 connector for more encoders)
[01:29:31] <pcw_home> I guess you could use the field IO but only for very slow encoders
[01:30:00] <pcw_home> But if you have another servo channel how do you drive it?
[01:30:14] <Connor> I don't have one yet.. probably be a while.
[01:30:45] <Connor> Dunno, Just asking questions. Was thinking just a PWM speed controller with encoder feedback to linuxcnc
[01:30:53] <pcw_home> if you have a step/dir with feedback setup a 5I25/7I85S is probably a better option
[01:31:22] <pcw_home> (or PWM/DIR)
[01:32:02] <pcw_home> or just use the other 5I25 connector with or without a breakout
[01:32:11] <Connor> It'll be a while.. I'm still in parport land so to speak.. the only encoder I have is on my spindle.. and will be very low count at this point.
[01:32:59] <Connor> I like the 5i25.. Just wish you could access both ports internally. I'll have to run a cable on the outside and loop it back in.. :(
[01:33:24] <pcw_home> You can also just use a 5I25 with whatever breakout boards you happen to have
[01:34:04] <Connor> I just have a standard C10 BOB.
[01:34:32] <Connor> I guess your multiplexing or something to get some of those inputs... ?
[01:35:18] <pcw_home> Yeah everybody complained about getting flat cables out of the case so we fixed that and now pepole want flat cables in the case again :-)
[01:35:49] <Connor> All of my stuff is in a single enclosure.
[01:36:28] <Connor> I guess other people have CPU in own case then enclosure for the electronics.
[01:37:07] <Connor> I guess I could go with the 7i43
[01:37:09] <pcw_home> the 7I76 has a mix of high speed I/O (the encoder input, the step/dir outputs, the serial links)
[01:37:11] <pcw_home> and low speed isolated field I/O done over a serial port
[01:37:24] <r00t4rd3d> http://i.imgur.com/bLKDTtz.gif
[01:37:30] <r00t4rd3d> i laughed
[01:37:40] <pcw_home> you could just use the internal connector
[01:37:57] <pcw_home> on your C10
[01:38:06] <Connor> how long you going to be around ?
[01:38:17] <Connor> want to loose the C10.. I could loose the C41 too..
[01:38:59] <Connor> since the 7i76 can do SCR 0-15 analog output.
[01:39:06] <Connor> need to eat. back in a few
[01:39:17] <pcw_home> me too
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[02:13:43] <r00t4rd3d> tjb1 you can make shit on your n7 and save it in dxf format
[02:13:45] <r00t4rd3d> https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=it.studioundici.rilievo
[02:14:06] <r00t4rd3d> i might buy that one
[02:14:07] <tjb1> How much is that thing
[02:14:15] <r00t4rd3d> 3.55
[02:14:31] <tjb1> I see that..
[02:14:34] <tjb1> The little controller
[02:15:27] <r00t4rd3d> that is suppose to be your android phone ya dope
[02:16:35] <r00t4rd3d> or a surveyors calculator
[02:17:47] <tjb1> you enter points
[02:18:14] <r00t4rd3d> check the demo out, you just cant save with the demo version
[02:18:33] <tjb1> im printing stuff and have homework :P
[02:18:36] <tjb1> Ill check it out tomorrow
[02:18:38] <r00t4rd3d> https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=it.studioundici.rilievo03
[02:18:43] <r00t4rd3d> demo link
[02:19:57] <r00t4rd3d> what are you printing?
[02:23:26] <r00t4rd3d> a bag?
[02:24:34] <skunkworks> pcw_home: thanks - I think a local guy is going to order a 5i25 for a dyna retrofit..
[02:27:00] <pcw_home> dyna?
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[02:35:12] <skunkworks> small vmc
[02:35:30] <tjb1> Printing a case for my LCD
[02:37:25] <Connor> pcw_home: Okay, so, explain the high speed/low speed on the 5i25.
[02:38:11] <Connor> I'm guessing the highspeed is direct to the 5i25, and low speed is muxed ?
[02:40:08] <Connor> and how much of a pain is it to switch from using the external to internal on the config side of linuxcnc ?
[02:42:45] <r00t4rd3d> anything hal related = pain.
[02:43:55] <tjb1> r00t4rd3d knows what is up
[02:43:57] <tjb1> Screw hal
[02:52:25] <skunkworks> Hal is awesome! Really - it is.
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[03:00:07] <pcw_home> low speed = servo thread is serial
[03:00:19] <tjb1> skunkworks: Ill give you a list of what you need done, you can do it!
[03:00:21] <ReadError> hey
[03:00:24] <ReadError> im torn guys
[03:00:30] <ReadError> nema34 or 23 ?
[03:00:35] <ReadError> on a 48x48
[03:00:47] <ReadError> nema34 is gonna be alot more expensive
[03:01:08] <skunkworks> what I need done? I am done. (well - done enough for me..)
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[03:02:39] <skunkworks> tjb1: a bit of hal, A bit of C and a bit of ladder....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=39q6kvrSBSk
[03:03:05] <tjb1> What I need done :)
[03:03:25] <Connor> pcw_home: looking at pnpconf.. I see no way to use the other connector.. It's got the StepGen's coded for Connector 3..
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[03:17:34] <pcw_home> Just do it in HAL
[03:19:38] <pcw_home> Its no more complicated than using different numbers for stepgens
[03:20:34] <skunkworks> pcw_home: it is actually Pete G - the guy that did the edm that they are talking about on the list..
[03:21:01] <pcw_home> Its a step/dir system?
[03:21:30] <skunkworks> He is using some rutex drives he as had for ever... (step/dir servos...) (yeck - I know)
[03:21:56] <skunkworks> but he loves them as he has never had issues with them
[03:22:54] <skunkworks> He lives about 20 miles from me.. (maybe 30)
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[03:23:44] <skunkworks> It was funny - the first cnc fest I went to down in galsberg IL - I ran into him. first time I met him ;)
[03:24:32] <pcw_home> oops missing Dreams of the Emperor bbl
[03:27:00] <ReadError> is there a magical program that can place gcode around
[03:27:06] <ReadError> like if i make gcode for 1 part
[03:27:13] <ReadError> it can "clone" and offset it somehow
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[03:31:13] <ktchk> reposition spindle and do a g54 retouch x and y start the program will mill the same part
[03:31:47] <ReadError> yea but if im cutting a 1.5"x8" part
[03:31:52] <ReadError> that would be a huge PITA
[03:32:11] <ReadError> i could try to do it in the CAM software
[03:32:22] <ReadError> just wondered if there was a better way
[03:33:27] <ktchk> dxf part file can be copy and do a cam of multi parts
[03:34:22] <ReadError> i would script this, but i suspect it would end in fail
[03:35:07] <ktchk> which cad cam software?
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[03:35:34] <ReadError> ive been using hsmxpress
[03:35:57] <ktchk> can you edit the gcode?
[03:36:21] <Tom_itx> i can
[03:36:23] <Tom_itx> can you?
[03:36:39] <ReadError> yea
[03:36:58] <ktchk> add reposition x y and copy the gcode over
[03:37:11] <ReadError> could i make the entire code a subroutine
[03:37:20] <ReadError> and just move, call the same subroutine again
[03:37:28] <ReadError> sounds like a ghetto fix
[03:37:32] <Tom_itx> you could
[03:37:51] <Tom_itx> or change the fixture offset
[03:37:56] <Tom_itx> G54 etc
[03:38:43] <ReadError> yea, i was just hoping for an easier way
[03:38:51] <ReadError> but i guess i just need to do this once, and ill be okay
[03:45:06] <Connor> pcw_home: Yea, basic 3 axis step-dir + analog SCR spindle + encoder.
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[04:21:58] <tjb1> I need 3 good inductive prox sensors, any reccomendations ?
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[04:55:35] <L84Supper> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gem8m_Qdj8w&list=UU_VskFf9nosePUtxucxirRQ&index=11 too big for a machine controller UI, but it would be fun to demo this running EMC
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[05:19:23] <Thetawaves> how do you guys rs485?
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[07:00:00] <Loetmichel> mornin'
[07:02:34] <r00t4rd3d> 2:02am
[07:02:35] <Jymmm> L84Supper: It's response is fairly long
[07:03:27] <Jymmm> 2013-02-03 23:00:00 Loetmichel: mornin'
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[07:04:56] <Loetmichel> Jymmm: over here it IS morning
[07:05:03] <Loetmichel> [08:03] <Jymmm> 2013-02-03 23:00:00 Loetmichel: mornin'
[07:05:09] <Jymmm> I always find that "new technology" is never any faster that previous tech, mostly due to them being cheap bastards and only using what they can get away with.
[07:05:16] <Loetmichel> (oh shit, i had to be in the company 3 minutes ago...
[07:05:28] <Loetmichel> *hurries into the car*
[07:05:44] <Jymmm> bu bye
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[07:30:41] <L84Supper> Jymmm: the use of bimbos for the demo is quite telling as well
[07:34:23] <Jymmm> bimbos?
[07:34:38] <L84Supper> sorry classy bimbos
[07:34:51] <Jymmm> what bimbos?
[07:36:12] <Jymmm> oh, you mean the video thing
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[08:03:08] <DJ9DJ> moin
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[08:25:08] <Loetmichel> re @ company... i LOVE IEI... thats about 3 hrs to get a simple bios on the new mainboard... anbd stoill no go...
[08:25:42] <Loetmichel> no floppy disk... but the bios flas should be on a floppy disk... being 8MB big that is a problem...
[08:25:58] <Loetmichel> ... and no dos CDrom driver recognizes the CD drive ... :-(
[08:26:17] <Jymmm> Loetmichel: what are you babbling about?
[08:26:39] <Jymmm> Loetmichel: in a nutshell
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[08:27:09] <Loetmichel> qoute IEI technican "simply depack tthe attached zip onto a dos. bootable floppy and flash the new bios"
[08:27:19] <Loetmichel> ... and then deliver a 8mb bios zip
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[08:27:32] <Jymmm> link to zip file?
[08:27:43] <Loetmichel> no link, email
[08:27:49] <Jymmm> upload it then
[08:28:10] <Loetmichel> i dont know if i am entitled to, that seems to be a special version
[08:28:27] <Jymmm> Loetmichel: do you want my help or no?
[08:28:34] <Loetmichel> because we had problems getting the boards to run with a i7-2770s
[08:28:40] <Loetmichel> 3770
[08:28:47] <Loetmichel> you could?
[08:28:51] <Loetmichel> how?
[08:29:03] <Jymmm> I cant do shit if I cant see the file(s)
[08:29:41] <Jymmm> I also ned the link to the hardware info
[08:29:43] <Jymmm> need
[08:30:32] <Jymmm> Loetmichel: just upload to here
https://filetea.me/default/
[08:31:06] <Loetmichel> we got iit going... making a usb flash stick bootable... but the flas tool is hanging at deopacking the bios :-(
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[08:31:17] <Loetmichel> i have a server, tahts not a problem
[08:31:24] <Loetmichel> just a moment
[08:32:24] <Loetmichel> http://www.ieiworld.com/product_groups/industrial/content.aspx?keyword=NANO-PV-D510&gid=00001000010000000001&cid=08141335426152039799&id=0C307338382574261891#.UNAYsaw4vds
[08:32:27] <Loetmichel> board specs
[08:32:31] <Jymmm> how did you make a bootable usb stick?
[08:32:46] <Mr_Wolfs> hi
[08:32:49] <Loetmichel> usb format tool from HP
[08:33:01] <Loetmichel> with a bootable disk from XP
[08:33:02] <Mr_Wolfs> with unetbootin
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[08:34:16] <Jymmm> Loetmichel: and Mr_Wolfs are working together?
[08:35:16] <Loetmichel> i dont know him
[08:35:40] <Jymmm> Loetmichel: Ok, what size usb stick do you have?
[08:36:02] <Loetmichel> 2gb
[08:37:10] <Loetmichel> *grrr*, no SSH on this machine...
[08:39:42] <Jymmm> still checking something
[08:39:45] <r00t4rd3d> http://i.imgur.com/9lgmnVb.jpg
[08:40:01] <r00t4rd3d> i took that picture :)
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[08:45:02] <Loetmichel> Jymmm: is byte for byte the same as
http://www.ieiworld.com/redirect.ashx?code=3&id=0C332000165453996347&dest=null
[08:45:07] <Loetmichel> grrr
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[08:45:41] <Loetmichel> no new version
[08:46:08] <Loetmichel> which means: the flas is not necessary, because the 1.3 IS already on the board... Shi***
[08:46:49] <Loetmichel> because 3 of 4 boards swicht OFF while booting wenn a i7-3770s is mounted.
[08:47:03] <Loetmichel> with a i3-2100 it runs like a charm...
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[08:47:26] <Loetmichel> the 4th board however runs wit the 3770s like a charm.. !?!?
[08:47:56] <Loetmichel> and we should have delivered the computers today... great...
[08:48:03] <Jymmm> Loetmichel: Ok, what *I* do is create two partitions on the usb stick... 1.44MB and the balance. copy the file to the balanace partition and format the 1.44MB as dos bootable and enable usb legacy support in BIOS
[08:48:26] <Jymmm> http://www.bootdisk.com/pendrive.htm
[08:48:31] <Loetmichel> thats not necessary now.
[08:48:35] <Jymmm> ok fine
[08:48:56] <Loetmichel> i just have checend that the mailed boios is byte for byte identical with the official 1.3
[08:49:49] <Loetmichel> so: why should i flas the hbioas that is already on the board?
[08:50:18] <Jymmm> did you sha1 the files?
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[08:52:24] <Loetmichel> i just compared them wiht compare
[08:52:56] <Loetmichel> i am not so thrilled with iei support atm... this boards cost roughly 300$...
[08:53:11] <Jymmm> I'd still SHA-1 them
[08:54:55] <Jymmm> or at least md5sum
[08:55:19] <Loetmichel> so, we have manged to get the stick to run.. on the 4th try?!?
[08:55:44] <Loetmichel> ... bios is flased, changing the cpu back to i7 at the moement...
[08:55:56] <Jymmm> from?
[08:56:02] <Loetmichel> i3 which runs
[08:56:25] <Jymmm> clear/reset the CMOS too
[08:56:39] <Loetmichel> i7 does boot but roughly at the time when windows or linux swotch to graphic mode the computer SPITCHES OFF
[08:56:43] <Jymmm> and do a COLD boot betweeb each step.
[08:56:44] <Loetmichel> -p+w
[08:56:52] <Loetmichel> done already
[08:56:58] <Jymmm> COLD?
[08:57:02] <Jymmm> you removed power?
[08:57:02] <Loetmichel> yes
[08:57:06] <Loetmichel> yes
[08:57:07] <Jymmm> k
[08:57:27] <Loetmichel> <- not changing the cpy while board has 5V stb ;-)
[08:57:33] <Loetmichel> cpou
[08:57:38] <Loetmichel> grrr cpu
[08:57:46] <Jymmm> I meant between flshing the bios, not changing cpus
[08:58:19] <Loetmichel> after flashing and resetting the cmos with the i3 it is now unplugged
[08:58:32] <Loetmichel> and will be replugged when the i7 is in
[08:58:59] <Loetmichel> ... and hard reset of the bios involves a unplug also ;-)
[08:59:46] <Loetmichel> (jumper cmos clear, unplug, wait for 5Vsb to go off, replug, jumper remove, reboot
[09:00:29] <Jymmm> wheres the frog leg and sacrafice to the demi gawds?
[09:03:25] <Jymmm> Loetmichel: I had a PITA board once, then found out that it can boot directly fromt he usb stick for purposes of flashing the bios, but I didn't see anywhwere where yours mentions that i the docs.
[09:06:01] <Loetmichel> Jymmm: sooo... got the i7 in... wors than before: now it only boots about 2 secs after POST and then switches off...
[09:06:19] <Loetmichel> <- a bit pissed right now about quality of IEI support
[09:06:20] <Jymmm> That sounds like a pwr issue
[09:06:54] <Loetmichel> fun fact: the i7-3770s has a tdp of 65W... the i3-2100 also...
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[09:07:49] <Loetmichel> but we are trying a bigger PSU right now, just to be sure (had done that ne that before)
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[09:08:52] <Jymmm> Loetmichel: did you plug in CPU power connector?
[09:09:09] <Loetmichel> do i look SO dumb? ;-)
[09:09:15] <Loetmichel> yes, of courese!
[09:09:16] <Jymmm> the 4 pin connecor
[09:09:19] <Loetmichel> course
[09:09:47] <Loetmichel> i do computer building for a living... ;-)
[09:11:01] <Jymmm> and Jumper JATX_AT1 is ______?
[09:12:47] <Jymmm> can you get into BIOS before it shuts down?
[09:13:09] <Loetmichel> sometimes
[09:13:21] <Loetmichel> at atx, like it shoud be
[09:13:26] <Jymmm> heatsink secure?
[09:13:31] <Loetmichel> yes
[09:13:44] <Jymmm> This is a KOWN GOOD cpu?
[09:13:47] <Jymmm> KNOWN
[09:14:12] <Loetmichel> Jymmm: dont make a head. we will send the whole 4 boards beck to them for refund... and use some reliable Intels bnooards. Boss made just a decision
[09:14:46] <Loetmichel> ... which is bad because we wanted to have the long (5 years) guraneed lifetime)
[09:14:46] <Jymmm> cheap bastard =)
[09:15:02] <Loetmichel> cheap bastard?
[09:15:10] <Jymmm> joke
[09:15:30] <Loetmichel> yo you have any idea how much it costs to have 2 ppl working on that issue for 2 and a half day now?
[09:15:46] <Jymmm> $1.95
[09:15:51] <Tecan> ( Current Uptime ) 4 Day(s) 13 Hour(s) 42 Minute(s)
[09:15:53] <Loetmichel> and tell the customer that the board he gets is an other htan he has ordered?
[09:16:39] <Loetmichel> the jokle is: here are 4 identical q770 boards...
[09:16:41] <Jymmm> Customer will appreciate that you got him ging rather than just ship shit out.
[09:16:48] <Jymmm> going
[09:16:50] <Loetmichel> ONE runs with any cpu you thro at it
[09:18:14] <Loetmichel> the other 3 will run fine with an I3.2100, will swicht off occasionally with an i5 and switch off for sure afeet about 20 secs or earlier with an I7-3770s
[09:18:19] <Jymmm> 486DX25
[09:18:22] <Loetmichel> s/affet/after
[09:18:35] <Loetmichel> thats not "reliable"
[09:18:46] <Jymmm> the 486?
[09:18:53] <Loetmichel> which is the reason we chossed the IEI board in the first place
[09:18:55] <Jymmm> oh the iX
[09:19:05] <Loetmichel> coosed
[09:19:10] <Loetmichel> choosed
[09:19:21] <Tecan> lol @ 486 dx
[09:19:28] <Jymmm> Tecan: What?
[09:19:30] <Tecan> i remember those
[09:19:38] <Jymmm> I have one fully functional
[09:19:39] <Tecan> windows 95 ran on the 33 with turbo
[09:19:44] <Loetmichel> and the iei IMB q770 costs about 300$
[09:19:47] <Tecan> fairly good
[09:20:13] <Tecan> i miss the old turbo buttons hehe
[09:20:33] <Loetmichel> the oter 777er chipset board we have here is a n intel... which costs abut a third. and runs in every configuration...
[09:20:34] <Loetmichel> flawlessly
[09:21:12] <Jymmm> I dont see the ROI on i7 personally
[09:21:34] <Jymmm> compared to i5
[09:21:41] <Loetmichel> customer wants... customer gets...
[09:22:05] <Loetmichel> since when military had to look on ROI?
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[10:29:28] <Tecan> http://forgifs.com/gallery/d/207018-1/Lighter-CD-frozen-bubble.gif
[11:08:57] <L84Supper> manual method of blown film extrusion
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[11:22:06] <frallzor> anyone that can tell me why all my axis moves when I press the button for setting speed on my gamepad when using this config
http://pastebin.com/MeS0jzx3
[11:23:10] <frallzor> it just happens when I uncomment #7 to reverse all my axises, since they are wrong otherwise. If uncommented all works fine except reversed
[11:23:44] <frallzor> otherwise they all move when pressing set speed buttons but they move the right direction when I toggle sticks
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[11:27:42] <cncbasher> or2.0.in1 or2.1.in1 input.0.btn-b
[11:27:59] <cncbasher> your tieing both axis to one button
[11:28:28] <cncbasher> thats my theory at the moment
[11:28:36] <frallzor> yeah that looks weird
[11:28:43] <frallzor> should only be one
[11:29:01] <cncbasher> so you have both tie'd to the same net
[11:29:30] <frallzor> so far its the only plausible theory at least =)
[11:30:19] <frallzor> but no. Doing as it says in the example on the site
[11:30:23] <frallzor> it does like that
[11:30:30] <frallzor> http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?Simple_Remote_Pendant
[11:30:39] <cncbasher> are you looking at one button for both axis
[11:30:53] <cncbasher> or seperate buttons
[11:31:05] <frallzor> 3 buttons for setting speed to all axis
[11:31:40] <frallzor> the wiki might explain better than me, im just trying to replicate =)
[11:33:49] <cncbasher> should it not be 3 inputs rather than 2
[11:33:57] <frallzor> the only thing I can say for sure is that the issu comes with swapping axis
[11:34:00] <frallzor> *e
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[11:34:28] <frallzor> well its xy on 1 stick and z on 1, so I guess its 2 then
[11:35:07] <frallzor> all works as should before swap
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[11:38:40] <cncbasher> ok so you press btn b and either x or y
[11:38:46] <cncbasher> together
[11:40:15] <frallzor> I press btn-x for slow speed, then jog via the sticks
[11:40:30] <cncbasher> ok
[11:40:39] <frallzor> but as soon as I press when I add swap, XYZ move
[11:40:52] <frallzor> but it also responds as it should to the sticks
[11:41:00] <frallzor> correct directions
[11:43:03] <cncbasher> net joy-z-jog halui.jog.2.analog <= input.0.abs-ry-position
[11:43:28] <cncbasher> ok this line is wrong somewhere or at least needs changing
[11:43:49] <cncbasher> you essentialy have 2 abs-y-positions
[11:44:24] <jthornton> cncbasher, you have mail
[11:44:43] <cncbasher> i dont use a joypad at the moment so cant test
[11:44:47] <cncbasher> ok jt
[11:49:53] <frallzor> ah mr jthornton, maybe you can shed a ligt on this issue? =P
[11:50:28] <jthornton> it's mighty early but I'll read back and see
[11:50:58] <frallzor> http://pastebin.com/MeS0jzx3 this says it all
[11:51:25] <frallzor> speed settings when axis = swap causes all axis to move when pushing a button to set speed
[11:51:44] <frallzor> if I comment swap out, all is fine, except swapped axis
[11:55:16] <frallzor> some differences due to other gamepad of logitech brand, but nothing major afaik
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[11:56:26] <jthornton> frallzor, are you using a different gamepad?
[11:56:47] <frallzor> yes
[11:57:15] <frallzor> but I recall we came to the conclusion that the 0-255 should be the same for any joystick?
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[11:58:12] <jthornton> I only have the one type so I don't know what some other joystick might do and that could be the problem
[11:58:41] <frallzor> since all works fine when not swapped I just thought it should work the same
[11:58:52] <frallzor> or fine, besides swapped =)
[11:59:29] <jthornton> something must be odd about it then compared to the one I used when you set the scale
[12:00:00] <frallzor> seems like a fine guess, but how to find out what?
[12:00:38] <Tecan> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/11/Glass-of-water.jpg
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[12:01:28] <frallzor> could it hurt to try higher values? -150 etc etc
[12:01:52] <frallzor> just to see if scale is larger or smaller
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[12:02:06] <jthornton> when you change the scale what does the output value do?
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[12:02:30] <frallzor> make the axis jog at set speed
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[12:02:44] <frallzor> or maybe not the full speed
[12:02:48] <frallzor> but it jogs
[12:05:21] <jthornton> what is the output value?
[12:05:42] <frallzor> using the one as described in wiki -127.5
[12:05:50] <jthornton> mine is out in the shop so I can't look at the pin
[12:06:02] <frallzor> oh you mean like that
[12:06:05] <jthornton> not the scale but the output that goes to halui.jog something
[12:06:32] <frallzor> Ill go and check
[12:06:54] <frallzor> cant recall a halui named like that though, but ill check
[12:07:19] <jthornton> net joy-x-jog halui.jog.0.analog <= input.0.abs-y-position
[12:10:23] <frallzor> exactly what should I check? the output via the halmeter-thingie?
[12:10:48] <frallzor> if so those ranges from 1 to -1
[12:10:52] <frallzor> via halmeter
[12:13:21] <jthornton> yea, the halui.jog.n.analog should be 0 when your not moving the stick
[12:13:35] <frallzor> then all is ok Id say
[12:14:06] <jthornton> does the value change when you press the increment button?
[12:14:25] <frallzor> good Q, brb
[12:19:36] <frallzor> no changes, but I did see that the scale should goes from -127.5 to 127.5
[12:19:54] <frallzor> so all should be well there too
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[12:49:44] <frallzor> depending on scale the speed differs when I push the set speed button. Interesting
[12:51:38] <jthornton> speed = input.n.abs-x-position?
[12:53:35] <frallzor> when I press the set speed button the jog-speed inscreases
[12:53:40] <frallzor> depending on scale
[12:54:22] <frallzor> I realized I put all info in the same hal-file, but according toy your article it is in 2 different files
[12:54:27] <frallzor> can that cause any issues?
[12:54:40] <frallzor> all in postgui
[12:55:21] <jthornton> all in postgui is fine
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[12:55:48] <jthornton> that is the problem then if the jog speed changed with a scale change
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[12:56:09] <frallzor> which is the problem? =P
[12:56:43] <jthornton> if the jog speed changes from 0 when you press the set speed button
[12:56:54] <jthornton> then that axis will take off
[12:56:58] <frallzor> no
[12:57:02] <frallzor> all axis
[12:57:23] <frallzor> xyz moves the same speed when pressed
[12:57:55] <jthornton> you will have to invert the axis in some other way then
[12:58:15] <frallzor> is there any other way?
[12:58:18] <jthornton> invert the output from the joypad
[12:58:18] <frallzor> besides hardware
[12:58:40] <jthornton> there is so many ways to do things in lcnc that it is mind boggling
[12:58:40] <frallzor> oh well, cheapy thing, why not try =)
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[13:00:30] <jthornton> I think from input.0.abs-y-position or what ever axis is backwards through a scale component then to halui.jog.0.analog would solve the problem
[13:01:17] <jthornton> so if you don't mess with the input.scale it works fine except for an axis runs backwards?
[13:01:22] <frallzor> yup
[13:02:21] <jthornton> then add a scale component to reverse the output from the joypad to halui jog
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[13:10:54] <jthornton> frallzor, you know how to do that?
[13:14:54] <frallzor> thought I hade some links on how to do some of that
[13:14:56] <frallzor> *had
[13:15:01] <frallzor> but nope =/
[13:15:13] <jthornton> loadrt scale
[13:15:22] <jthornton> addf scale.0 servo-thread
[13:15:34] <jthornton> setp scale.0.gain -1
[13:15:56] <frallzor> i do that for all thread then?
[13:15:57] <frallzor> *S
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[13:16:18] <jthornton> net reverse-x scale.0.in <= input.0.abs-y-position
[13:17:03] <jthornton> net jog-x halui.jog.0.analog <= scale.0.out
[13:17:08] <jthornton> that should do it
[13:17:26] <jthornton> for the x axis
[13:17:38] <frallzor> hmm
[13:17:52] <frallzor> but why x and y in the same lines there?
[13:18:33] <jthornton> copy and paste errro
[13:18:37] <jthornton> error
[13:18:58] <frallzor> machine not here
[13:18:59] <jthornton> net reverse-x scale.0.in <= input.0.abs- x-position
[13:19:23] <frallzor> just an observation
[13:19:31] <jthornton> so when you set the scale component gain to -1 the output is reversed from the input
[13:19:58] <frallzor> should one keep this too? #6. Step 6 Set up the Axis
[13:19:58] <frallzor> #Add the following to your postgui.hal file
[13:19:58] <frallzor> net joy-x-jog halui.jog.0.analog <= input.0.abs-y-position
[13:20:53] <jthornton> no, the above would replace that
[13:21:17] <frallzor> cool
[13:22:26] <jthornton> what looks like a typo is probably a way to get the joystick to move the axis that is parallel to the movement of the joystick
[13:23:04] <frallzor> oh
[13:23:06] <jthornton> so I might have used the y axis from the joypad to move the x axis on the machine
[13:23:15] <frallzor> no biggie to fix though
[13:23:16] <jthornton> yours may be different
[13:23:26] <frallzor> I stand at the short side of my machine which is Y
[13:24:02] <frallzor> looking in the direction of X
[13:24:12] <jthornton> just pick the joypad axis that make sense for you
[13:24:30] <frallzor> yeah, ill test this out, brb/bbl in a bit, got some work to do too :P
[13:24:39] <frallzor> ill yell how it works out
[13:24:40] <jthornton> ok
[13:24:45] <frallzor> thanks for the help
[13:25:24] <jthornton> np
[13:25:35] <jthornton> I'll see you out in the shop after while
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[15:20:23] <skunkworks> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8nSfLRaEPEE
[15:20:38] <skunkworks> All the complexity of a hexapod without the rigidity...
[15:21:00] <skunkworks> But I guess for poiinting a laser..
[15:22:22] <ssi> stewart platforms are cool thoug
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[15:23:16] <ssi> I don't quite follow what they're using for linear actuators though :P
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[15:26:46] <ssi> oh I guess that's supposed to be a motor turning the ballnut?
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[15:50:14] <skunkworks> This is interesting...
[15:50:15] <skunkworks> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wPLHMpkOj-c
[15:53:24] <mrsun> hmm need to make a small and compact angleable grinding machine for the angle grinder to mount to :P
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[15:56:36] <mrsun> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3OEfq6vGwyA
[16:01:31] <hdokes> http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&v=ItSVzUq9Js0&NR=1 ... seems like a lotta trouble to go to just to make a milk shake :)
[16:04:25] <skunkworks> http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&v=zD3t_ks17Ow&NR=1
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[16:04:30] <skunkworks> 2.5g....
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[16:20:56] <frallzor> JT-Shop no go =/
[16:21:18] <frallzor> but chances are that its me this time =P
[16:21:30] <frallzor> me and "coding", we dont mix well sometimes
[16:21:34] <JT-Shop> what does it do/not do
[16:21:39] <frallzor> sometimes most of the time that is
[16:21:43] <JT-Shop> pastebin your hal file
[16:21:54] <frallzor> want error too?
[16:22:45] <frallzor> http://pastebin.com/D9RVseYY
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[16:23:29] <JT-Shop> yep0
[16:23:46] <frallzor> postgui.hal:43: Pin 'scale.0.in' was already linked to signal 'reverse-x'
[16:23:53] <frallzor> I assume this is the culprit
[16:24:03] <JT-Shop> yep, a coding error for sure
[16:24:40] <JT-Shop> you need two scales
[16:26:09] <frallzor> addf scale.0 servo-thread one of these with unique id?
[16:26:12] <frallzor> or what to call it?
[16:26:14] <JT-Shop> http://pastebin.com/4BiS5V4Y
[16:26:44] <frallzor> ahh I allmost got it
[16:26:59] <JT-Shop> make sense now?
[16:27:02] <frallzor> yup
[16:27:10] <frallzor> but why only 2 then, and not 3?
[16:27:10] <JT-Shop> great!
[16:27:26] <frallzor> 1 for each axis?
[16:27:34] <JT-Shop> do you need to reverse all three axes?
[16:27:38] <frallzor> yes
[16:27:48] <frallzor> then I get it even more
[16:27:51] <frallzor> =)
[16:27:58] <JT-Shop> yep then you need 3
[16:28:07] <JT-Shop> but you get the idea now so take it and run
[16:28:10] <ReadError> any g540 owners around?
[16:28:25] <JT-Shop> just ask your question
[16:29:21] <ReadError> can I "mirror" a driver
[16:29:29] <frallzor> JT-Shop inedeed
[16:29:36] <frallzor> *indeed
[16:29:43] <ReadError> like use the 4th axis for a 2nd motor on the Y
[16:29:52] <tjb1> I am ReadError
[16:29:55] <tjb1> I have G540
[16:29:55] <ReadError> or would both motors be doing half the work, so i can use the same?
[16:30:09] <tjb1> Just send the same signal to both
[16:30:17] <ReadError> decided to go with the nema23
[16:30:20] <frallzor> thats what i do, but with G203s =)
[16:30:24] <jdh> Gantrykins?
[16:30:25] <ReadError> 34 would be a b*tch to setup
[16:30:28] <frallzor> same signal but dual drivers
[16:30:35] <ReadError> if i need it i can always convert later
[16:30:48] <tjb1> You just send Y direction and step to the pins for A
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[16:31:17] <tjb1> http://pastebin.com/LLibHYvA
[16:31:20] <tjb1> Mine is X but its the same
[16:31:45] <tjb1> I had to invert direction because motor is flipped also
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[16:31:59] <tjb1> JT-Shop probably did it though :P
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[16:33:13] <ReadError> unf
[16:33:18] <ReadError> im excited about this project
[16:33:26] <ReadError> i need to build a giant wooden table
[16:33:40] <tjb1> I got my SD card working :)
[16:33:47] <syyl> sounds like you need a giant cnc router ;)
[16:33:55] <ReadError> syyl: 48x48"
[16:34:09] <ReadError> giant for me ;)
[16:34:13] <syyl> ok, thats not SO giant ;)
[16:34:34] <ReadError> well
[16:34:42] <ReadError> if you are going from a taig mill, to that
[16:34:46] <ReadError> its a big jump for me ;)
[16:34:58] <syyl> i thought of something like king artus round table as you said giant ;)
[16:36:20] <frallzor> JT-Shop
http://pastebin.com/DKdStvff what did I miss this time then?
[16:36:50] <frallzor> now it complains my added scale.2 doesnt excist
[16:37:20] <JT-Shop> perhaps loadrt scale count=2
[16:37:26] <frallzor> ah
[16:37:31] <frallzor> didnt see that
[16:37:36] <JT-Shop> I can see the light from here )
[16:37:45] <frallzor> brb then =P
[16:39:43] <jdh> a strobe light?
[16:40:52] <frallzor> 1 fix, 1 new error, of course =P
[16:41:22] <frallzor> halui.analog jog something allready linked to X
[16:41:28] <frallzor> row 35
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[16:42:03] <frallzor> or maybe it isnt the row it shows, but the error is there somewhere =P
[16:46:26] <frallzor> http://pastebin.com/TexYjQBN shall one change the outputnumbers too to match inputs?
[16:49:24] <jdh> surely the halui.jog.<foo>.analog should match.
[16:52:43] <r00t4rd3d> http://i.imgur.com/9lgmnVb.jpg
[16:53:31] <ReadError> http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature&v=ckfBGdZoR_0
[16:53:35] <ReadError> this homeless dude rocks
[16:58:02] <JT-Shop> frallzor: pastbin the whole thing
[16:58:21] <frallzor> error?
[16:58:49] <frallzor> its about this atleast i can say now: net jog-x halui.jog.0.analog
[16:59:12] <frallzor> i assume 0 1 2? =)
[17:01:30] <JT-Shop> halui.jog.0 is the X axis and 1 is Y and 2 is Z
[17:02:04] <frallzor> then ill just change that and see
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[17:11:58] <frallzor> I love life again!! =P
[17:12:08] <frallzor> Faith restored in mankind once more!
[17:12:55] <frallzor> it works now in other words JT-Shop
[17:14:07] <frallzor> One can add as many *.hal files one would want?
[17:14:25] <frallzor> Want to start tinkering with the home-functions and such in a separate file
[17:17:17] <Connor> jdh: What do you know about Safety relays ?
[17:18:05] <jthornton> frallzor, the hal files are called in the order you have them listed in your ini so that can make a difference
[17:18:36] <Loetmichel> re @ home
[17:19:25] <jthornton> I prefer to have at the most 2 hal files and do all the loadrt and addf in the same place as it makes it easier to add another of something like scale
[17:20:10] <frallzor> I assume it wont matter how a file just doing home and touch off, is loaded first or last?
[17:20:37] <frallzor> just seems neat to tinker with them in a file of its own
[17:20:51] <jthornton> all your homing items go in the ini file anyway and there is only one line to enable touch probe
[17:24:17] <frallzor> sort of just making this linked to a button for touch of
http://timeguy.com/cradek-files/01262579508/P-top.ngc I assume? =)
[17:24:30] <frallzor> and add the values I want in the end
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[17:24:44] <IchGuckLive> hi all
[17:25:14] <IchGuckLive> What a game on superbowlsunday and near hundred byoncys at the halftimeshow
[17:25:52] <jthornton> aww I missed it, who played?
[17:26:06] <IchGuckLive> the BEST
[17:26:14] <Jymmm> Ha! The only thing that was good was the 109yd TD, then the bastard took that away from it at 108yds
[17:26:25] <IchGuckLive> around 1Bil watched and you not
[17:26:52] <Jymmm> jthornton: You didnt miss much
[17:27:04] <jthornton> yea I was busy hanging an axe handle and installing the elevator in a cannon
[17:27:04] <Jymmm> 49ers and Ravens
[17:27:24] <Tecan> http://youtu.be/y4vqd3ZO8qs << balancing stewart act
[17:27:44] <Jymmm> jthornton: Oh, one good commercial, hang on
[17:29:19] <Jymmm> jthornton:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AMpZ0TGjbWE&feature=player_embedded
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[17:35:34] <Jymmm> jthornton: Then this..... *ugh*
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EQTyxNTQTtk
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[17:41:44] <IchGuckLive> folks on HAL Test Comand can i do Just motion.spindle-on
[17:42:06] <IchGuckLive> or do i need a $halcomand
[17:42:31] <ravenlock> hm… I'm wondering…. is there a 6 axis device out there? (meaning: X, Y, Z, rotation around X and Y and Z as well)
[17:43:46] <archivist> I get away with 5 axis at the moment
[17:44:38] <IchGuckLive> ravenlock: the Z is C
[17:45:27] <archivist> My A becomes a C by its rotation about B
[17:45:49] <ravenlock> IchGuckLive, yes, My rotZ is 'C'.
[17:45:58] <ravenlock> just wondering about rotating on other axis as well
[17:46:27] <ravenlock> like…. the "table" would rotate (since it is my tool that provides the 'C').
[17:46:41] <ravenlock> (did that make sense) ?
[17:46:59] <ravenlock> that which holds the tool in my instance provides the rotation around Z
[17:47:16] <ravenlock> I would need the table top to tilt for the other two axis.
[17:47:28] <archivist> I cut a thread that way
[17:48:08] <IchGuckLive> ravenlock:
http://cgtech.clients.colehost.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/vericut_dmu160-1.jpg
[17:48:45] <ravenlock> IchGuckLive, I'm not entirely sure what I'm looking at there
[17:49:01] <IchGuckLive> your mashine config
[17:49:11] <IchGuckLive> as 3D working CAM sim
[17:49:26] <ravenlock> hm. it should animate?
[17:49:36] <IchGuckLive> let me se
[17:50:08] <archivist> ravenlock,
http://www.archivist.info/cnc/stage6/P1010026.JPG later added a B to do the tilting
http://www.archivist.info/cnc/stage6/P1010026.JPG
[17:51:11] <t12> what's the name of that cutting tool?
[17:51:47] <IchGuckLive> ravenlock:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2wcOnXG2lBc
[17:51:50] <archivist> a v milling cutter I suppose
[17:52:44] <t12> ahh cool
[17:52:50] <t12> v slot cutter by mcmcaster carr
[17:52:51] <t12> thanks much!
[17:53:34] <archivist> I sometimes grind up my own cutters to suit
[17:53:57] <ravenlock> IchGuckLive, intersting
[17:54:04] <t12> how do you deal with tooth sharpening
[17:54:14] <jdh> I assume you are turning the rotary table and not the mill head?
[17:54:15] <t12> if grinding your own cuter of that style
[17:55:00] <archivist> http://www.collection.archivist.info/archive/DJCPD/PD/2012/2012_11_01_Tool_grinder/IMG_1390.JPG
[17:55:31] <archivist> exceedingly fugly homebrew grinder
[17:56:46] <Jymmm> archivist: Ha! hardly
[17:57:08] <t12> i find these little eppendorf centrifuges
[17:57:18] <Jymmm> archivist: No wood, no duct tape, and looks like it even has tapped holes and everything!!!
[17:57:20] <t12> have what seem to be very well bearing'd 3ph motors in them
[17:57:23] <archivist> ravenlock, the thing you will notice is that generally people only build 5 axis machines because you can rotate A to C
[17:57:32] <t12> they continuously break due to non motor falure and are thrown away
[17:57:43] <t12> iv'e been meaning to convert one to a grinder like that
[17:58:13] <Jymmm> archivist: you even used a REAL spring and not just a bungy cord or rubber band =)
[17:58:16] <archivist> Jymmm, but it has clamps
[17:58:28] <Jymmm> archivist: clamps are ok =)
[17:58:41] <Jymmm> archivist: unless vise grips =)
[17:58:54] <archivist> and look how the bearings are mounted
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[17:59:06] <Jymmm> archivist: But you HAVE bearings =)
[18:00:13] <Jymmm> archivist: Did you see my "replace fuel pump w/o dropping tank" writeup?
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[18:05:20] <IchGuckLive> t12 do a cnc grinder for lowcost
[18:05:30] <IchGuckLive> 4axis
[18:05:33] <Icekiller> IchGuckLive were you drunk yesterday..?
[18:06:31] <IchGuckLive> t12:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TvzqGeNudo8
[18:07:38] <IchGuckLive> t12 woudt be a nice projekt to get the standard tool angels in a ngc
[18:09:26] <IchGuckLive> archivist: the bearing clamp is heavy duty
[18:10:26] <t12> hm
[18:10:36] <IchGuckLive> O.O B)
[18:11:52] <IchGuckLive> t12 3Axis if height is manual
[18:12:07] <JesusAlos> hi IchGuckLive
[18:12:30] <t12> oh yeah on that note
[18:12:39] <t12> er
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[18:12:48] <JesusAlos> do you think eny way to do ?
[18:12:50] * frallzor cuddles with JT-Shop
[18:13:04] <IchGuckLive> JesusAlos: not yet
[18:13:14] * JT-Shop thinks frallzor is a happy guy now...
[18:13:20] * archivist throws a bukket of water at the cuddling
[18:13:22] <frallzor> I am =D
[18:13:30] <frallzor> stop it!
[18:13:47] <JesusAlos> not easy
[18:16:06] <Icekiller> IchGuckLive soo thats a yes? :P
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[18:21:53] * anonimasu wyans
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[18:26:48] <anonimasu> time to get the damn toolsetter onto the lathe.
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[18:53:15] <JesusAlos> Have a problem with 7i77 mesanet card
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[18:53:39] <JesusAlos> the inputs and outpus it's PNP
[18:53:47] <JesusAlos> my machine is NPN
[18:56:26] <jdh> I thought they all had sinking inputs
[18:56:43] <pcw_home> 7I77 has sinking inputs
[18:57:03] <frallzor> hmm been looking at probe-examples, mdi-command-examples etc but nothing really tells me how to do a simple single button touch off
[18:57:05] <pcw_home> you must supply + inputs to be recognized
[18:57:20] <frallzor> all leads back to ladder-crap =(
[18:57:42] <pcw_home> outputs are PNP --> they source voltage to ground referenced loads
[18:58:48] <JesusAlos> yes, and I need output and input -
[19:00:09] <JesusAlos> There are no harware configuration?
[19:00:19] <pcw_home> We have I/O that will do that but not the 7I77
[19:01:07] <pcw_home> The 7I77 is designed for optimum safety which means sourcing outputs and sinking inputs
[19:02:10] <tjb1> pcw_home:
[19:02:26] <tjb1> Where can I get decent inductive prox sensors that arent $50 each
[19:02:46] <JesusAlos> is sinking equal PNP?
[19:03:00] <Connor> tjb1: What's wrong with the ones cnc4pc.com sales ?
[19:03:02] <JesusAlos> I don't understand this terminology
[19:03:08] <tjb1> They are out of stock
[19:03:12] <tjb1> Sinking - NPN
[19:03:23] <tjb1> Oh cnc4pc…wait a minute
[19:03:26] <pcw_home> Not sure PNP/NPN makes any sense realative to inputs
[19:03:45] <JesusAlos> 7i77 output and input is PNP
[19:03:47] <JesusAlos> sure
[19:03:50] <JesusAlos> I try it
[19:03:58] <pcw_home> PNP output is a sourcing output NPN output is a sinking output
[19:04:09] <tjb1> Connor: I need 12mm round
[19:04:18] <Connor> oh.
[19:04:19] <tjb1> I think that is what cncrp has
[19:05:02] <pcw_home> There are lots of cheap prox sensors around no idea if they are any good
[19:06:04] <tjb1> I have cheap ones
[19:06:11] <tjb1> They light up but the machine doesnt stop
[19:06:57] <pcw_home> 3 wire?
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[19:09:13] <pcw_home> I know the 2 wire sensors need a pretty low load resistor to work reliably since they have large idle currents
[19:09:24] <JT-Shop> tjb1: to add to what Peter said are they PNP or NPN?
[19:09:33] <tjb1> NPN
[19:09:35] <tjb1> 3 wire
[19:09:52] <JT-Shop> and if you have more than one 2 wire on a circuit it may not go to the off state
[19:10:29] <JT-Shop> 3 wire should be bullet proof
[19:11:00] <tjb1> Yeah well I see the switch light up and nothing happens at 400 ipm
[19:11:04] <pcw_home> Even 3 wire sensors may not sink low enough for reliable sensing with TTL inputs without some help
[19:11:14] <tjb1> 12mm sensor and 1/2 target
[19:12:13] <JT-Shop> yea, I only know about them in industrial applications like PLC's etc.
[19:12:38] <JT-Shop> 12mm sheilded will have a very short sensing distance like 1mm or less
[19:12:40] <tjb1> pcw_home: What magic can I use to get them to work
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[19:12:59] <pcw_home> voltmeter?
[19:13:25] <pcw_home> halscope?
[19:13:41] <tjb1> I haven't checked that yet
[19:13:44] <JT-Shop> I use a penny to test with usually
[19:13:50] <tjb1> I was trying to slow it down enough to get them to trip
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[19:14:08] <tjb1> They are $2 sensors off ebay
[19:14:13] <tjb1> Surely that is the problem?
[19:14:21] <JT-Shop> and I've found that if the led works on the prox that only means the led is working not that the prox is working
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[19:14:34] <tjb1> They work if I go slow enough
[19:14:55] <pcw_home> I'd setup a repetitive motion wizzing by the sensor and halscope it
[19:14:57] <JT-Shop> what gap do you have between the target and the prox?
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[19:15:32] <tjb1> Probably around 1/16
[19:15:54] <JT-Shop> you need to be around 0.025" for a 12mm prox
[19:16:04] <tjb1> I dont think they are shielded
[19:16:32] <JT-Shop> metal cased to the end?
[19:16:48] <JT-Shop> to the sensor end
[19:17:15] <tjb1> no
[19:17:20] <tjb1> 4-5mm tall plastic
[19:17:45] <JT-Shop> not sheilded so you will have a longer sensing distance like 1.5mm or so
[19:17:52] <JT-Shop> maybe even 2mm
[19:17:58] <jdh> if the LED works, it shoudl be sensing properly. If it trips the input is different.
[19:18:16] <JT-Shop> kinda what I said
[19:18:24] <tjb1> Could if be a problem if all 3 are on the same input?
[19:18:33] <tjb1> Could it...
[19:20:15] <JT-Shop> I've never wired more than one prox to an input...
[19:20:32] <JT-Shop> my other brother John might have
[19:20:34] <tjb1> Well I will try to get the ones CNCRP uses
[19:20:39] <jdh> I have (multiple NPN sensors to a singel input)
[19:23:32] <tjb1> I should really use physical switches...
[19:23:46] <jdh> and servos + encoders
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[19:24:20] <tjb1> What does PNP-NC mean?
[19:24:27] <tjb1> That its always pulled low until activated?
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[19:24:48] <JT-Shop> PNP is a Positive signal and NPN is a negitive signal
[19:25:04] <pcw_home> always pulled up until activated
[19:25:15] <pcw_home> PNP-NC
[19:25:28] <tjb1> I meant to put NPN in there :P
[19:25:29] <JT-Shop> so a PNP sensor is a sourcing device and needs to be connected to a sinking input...
[19:25:34] <tjb1> So you would have to pull up the inputs
[19:25:37] <tjb1> with NPN NC
[19:25:46] <tjb1> and then watch for the input to go high?
[19:26:37] <ReadError> grrr
[19:26:47] <pcw_home> Yes
[19:26:50] <ReadError> im still going back and forth about this 23 vs 34
[19:27:22] <tjb1> Then with NPN NO you still use pull up inputs and watch for it to go low then
[19:27:40] <pcw_home> yep
[19:28:30] <jdh> Read: for a biggish router?
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[19:29:56] <ReadError> yea
[19:30:00] <ReadError> 48x48"
[19:30:11] <ReadError> i mean im not super worried about speed
[19:30:31] <ReadError> i just dont want to get the 23 all setup and become not happy with it later
[19:31:25] <tjb1> I use 23s on a 4'x8'
[19:31:29] <tjb1> you worry too much
[19:31:41] <jdh> no cutting load on a plasma
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[19:32:51] <tjb1> It will have a router too!
[19:32:57] <tjb1> I havent got that far
[19:33:06] <ReadError> jdh: im going to be doing some aluminum
[19:33:07] <ReadError> 1/4"
[19:33:18] <ReadError> so..it wont be doing super fast rapids
[19:33:26] <ReadError> or fast cuts
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[19:34:51] <ReadError> tjb1: did you get the "Pro" kit ?
[19:34:52] <ReadError> or regular
[19:34:59] <tjb1> No he didnt have pro kit when I ordered
[19:35:11] <ReadError> oh
[19:35:15] <ReadError> i upgradded
[19:35:17] <jdh> I was thinking torque might be more important than speed. With no gearing and good rails/etc, you might need the extra holding power during cuts.
[19:35:25] <ReadError> it was only 45$
[19:35:37] <ReadError> jdh: well its geared sorta
[19:35:43] <ReadError> 3:1 I think
[19:35:56] <ReadError> maybe even less
[19:37:00] <tjb1> 2.73:1 I think
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[19:38:35] <ReadError> so if i use 320oz motors
[19:38:50] <ReadError> thats a decent amount of holding?
[19:40:17] <jdh> dunno. I'd consider those fairly small.
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[19:53:16] <ReadError> hrmm
[19:53:20] <ReadError> *sigh*
[19:53:25] <ReadError> this is hard
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[20:05:51] <JT-Shop> the holding torque is how hard a stepper tries to not move...
[20:06:33] * frallzor has read about classic ladder and hates it
[20:08:21] <JT-Shop> chicken
[20:08:39] <frallzor> seems like a whole bucket of trouble for a simple task
[20:08:53] <frallzor> which I cant manage to understand anyways =P
[20:08:56] <JT-Shop> it can do things you can't do in hal
[20:09:10] <Connor> Wasn't ladder designed to be used with relays originally ?
[20:09:23] <jdh> to replace relays
[20:09:34] <jdh> to replace relay logic anyway
[20:09:36] <JT-Shop> nope it ... typing too slow I see
[20:09:38] <frallzor> I believe I can do the touch off in hal, but cant really see how it will understand what I wanna do with simple g-code
[20:09:52] <JT-Shop> touch off what?
[20:10:05] <jdh> frall: you just want to do a probe touch off?
[20:10:06] <frallzor> the little thing I said I wanted to do =) tool over stock
[20:10:36] <frallzor> jdh kinda, I looked at cradecs example showing how to probe stock
[20:10:53] <frallzor> http://timeguy.com/cradek-files/01262579508/P-top.ngc
[20:11:02] <frallzor> I would think this is what I want, sort of
[20:11:18] <frallzor> just wanna probe the top
[20:11:35] <JT-Shop> that's just G code
[20:11:49] <JT-Shop> do you have a probe?
[20:11:58] <frallzor> thats why I dont understand how it will do the things I want and set it for me =)
[20:12:08] <frallzor> yes probe connected to probe input
[20:12:14] <JT-Shop> do you have a probe?
[20:12:19] <ReadError> hm thats a neat concept
[20:12:41] <ReadError> could you make a variable Z like that, so if your z touch off is not perfect you can adjust it on the fly?
[20:13:48] <frallzor> http://www.bigkaiser.com/images/Base_Master_action22.jpg pretty much one of these I have
[20:14:17] <JT-Shop> is it connected to motion.probe.input?
[20:14:46] <frallzor> it is connected via A probe input, atm i use it manually
[20:15:03] <frallzor> so I just jog Z down until it triggers and stops
[20:15:47] <JT-Shop> stops with an error about probe tripped while moving?
[20:15:51] <frallzor> yes
[20:16:13] <JT-Shop> ok, then it is connected to motion.probe.input or however it is spelled
[20:16:32] <frallzor> yeah didnt know the proper name, but its accepted in lCNC =)
[20:16:39] <frallzor> so it works atleast
[20:16:53] <JT-Shop> how far is it to your switch in a Z move?
[20:17:24] <frallzor> from stock top to the trigger-position?
[20:17:30] <JT-Shop> yea
[20:18:00] <frallzor> well i cant recall exactly but either 35.2mm or 35.2mm
[20:18:20] <JT-Shop> so less than 40mm
[20:18:27] <frallzor> yes
[20:19:11] <JT-Shop> G38.2 Z-40 will probe down and stop at the switch
[20:19:31] <frallzor> that much is pretty clear to me
[20:19:48] <JT-Shop> then you can do something like set your tool table
[20:20:00] <frallzor> but if I change tool, maybe the -40 wont be enough
[20:20:10] <frallzor> so I can set -100 and dont be ashamed?
[20:20:17] <JT-Shop> make it long enough to work
[20:20:25] <JT-Shop> aye
[20:20:27] <frallzor> so no bigge in other words then
[20:20:30] <frallzor> *biggie
[20:20:34] <JT-Shop> nope
[20:20:46] <JT-Shop> is your probe mounted to your table?
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[20:21:24] <frallzor> not as is, i just place it at 0,0
[20:21:29] <frallzor> on the stock
[20:21:48] <JT-Shop> so your probing the Z top of the stock?
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[20:22:18] <frallzor> yes, and then the offset from the probe itself
[20:23:30] <JT-Shop> so after a probe move you could do a G10 L11 P(tool number) Z(height of gauge)
[20:24:05] <JT-Shop> or do you not use the tool table?
[20:24:11] <frallzor> dont use it
[20:25:07] <JT-Shop> then use G10 L2 P0 Z(height of gauge)
[20:26:15] <frallzor> let me write what I think is reproducable and say if it works
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[20:29:44] <frallzor> http://pastebin.com/t6nfqarS Im sure this is the king of bad G-code
[20:29:57] <frallzor> but this is what I wanna do, in a proper way =P
[20:30:25] <JT-Shop> what is the up probe move for?
[20:30:26] <frallzor> to get touch off kind of reproducable at this probes best capacity
[20:30:35] <frallzor> so it can retouch, but slowe
[20:30:37] <frallzor> *r
[20:30:51] <JT-Shop> just move up with G0 or G1 F
[20:31:00] <frallzor> ah
[20:31:15] <frallzor> other than that it could work?
[20:32:18] <JT-Shop> I would just probe down, move up, probe down at slow speed then set the coordinate system
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[20:32:51] <frallzor> other that my over-use of up and downs, it could be ok with G38 > G0 at some places?
[20:33:04] <frallzor> no need for G38 at upmoves etc
[20:33:28] <JT-Shop> a G38 that does not end at the probe will be a failure
[20:33:36] <JT-Shop> yea
[20:33:43] <frallzor> yeah that I understand =P no good at all
[20:33:51] <JT-Shop> probe down, move up a bit, probe down slow
[20:33:51] <frallzor> instan E-stop
[20:33:56] <frallzor> *t
[20:34:03] <JT-Shop> yep
[20:34:30] <frallzor> whats the best way to take simple code like this and run it via a button then?
[20:34:46] <frallzor> I recall reading something about adding the code in the *.ini
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[20:38:20] <JT-Shop> yep
[20:38:43] <JT-Shop> http://www.linuxcnc.org/docs/html/config/ini_config.html#_halui_section_a_id_sub_halui_section_a
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[20:39:15] <frallzor> about that, doesnt one need to enable manualmode for that?
[20:39:38] <Mr_Wolfs> anyone know to synchronise the Zaxis with the angular axis? cause my tool don't follow the trajectory
[20:39:40] <JT-Shop> yea you need to be in manual not paused
[20:40:46] <frallzor> MDI_COMMAND = my code. can this commande take all my 8 rows of code?
[20:40:57] <frallzor> or do I need a new command for every row?
[20:41:16] <JT-Shop> you make a subroutine and call it in the mdi
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[20:42:20] <JT-Shop> know how to do that?
[20:42:30] <frallzor> not a single clue
[20:42:38] <frallzor> I all know is the letter O
[20:42:51] <frallzor> its related somehow
[20:44:38] <frallzor> http://linuxcnc.org/docs/html/gcode/o-code.html sub-routines I presume
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[20:46:14] <JT-Shop> first make a normal G code program and work out the details
[20:46:36] <JT-Shop> name it probe-z.ngc or something
[20:46:58] <frallzor> Can i use the code-snippet I pasted? or it needs refining?
[20:47:29] <JT-Shop> I think you need to refine it like we talked about with probe down, move up etc
[20:47:38] <JT-Shop> are you jogging to your probe location?
[20:47:39] <frallzor> yeah that I did
[20:47:54] <frallzor> I assume its allready at 0,0 when i trigger
[20:47:58] <frallzor> so no need for that atm
[20:48:11] <JT-Shop> then jog down close to the probe and only make one probe move slow
[20:50:27] <frallzor> ill just do 1 up then and then slow down efter first probe
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[20:52:51] <frallzor> http://pastebin.com/jbpPp4RF good? bad?
[20:55:48] <frallzor> dont be afraid to sigh and do a facepalm gesture
[20:56:18] <jdh> if you just want random coments on it... I'd make the F100 slower and make the second probe only -5 to make it marginally safer
[20:56:55] <frallzor> ah smart
[20:57:11] <frallzor> allready probed once, so no need for -50 again yeah
[20:57:21] <Mr_Wolfs> I have in the halscope 8000Hz to stegen.2.frequency, it's too much no?
[20:57:45] <jdh> you want P0 or P1?
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[20:58:24] <frallzor> I assume the P0 is since I dont use the tool table
[20:59:32] <jdh> P1 is G54 space
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[21:02:06] <frallzor> to be honest I dont know really
[21:02:47] <jdh> are you doing x & y touchoffs in g54?
[21:02:59] <frallzor> no, just Z
[21:03:16] <jdh> how do you set x/y origins?
[21:03:32] <t12> lol man
[21:03:37] <t12> this professor installed the cnc computer
[21:03:43] <t12> in the splash zone of this tormach
[21:03:47] <t12> then gets all pissed that its covered in coolant
[21:03:51] <jdh> cool
[21:04:22] <frallzor> jdh is Its allways 0,0 when I home a valid answer? =P
[21:04:46] <jdh> if that is also your work offset, sure.
[21:05:06] <frallzor> yeah I dont do much to XY, or nothing but home them
[21:05:35] <jdh> you never want to cut something that isn't referenced to machine zero?
[21:06:49] <jdh> I don't think you can use P0 there
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[21:08:53] <r00t4rd3d> http://imgur.com/a/YE6XK
[21:09:50] <jdh> wood looks cool
[21:09:54] * frallzor is starting to dislike linuxCNC again =)
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[21:10:41] <frallzor> I need foodstuffs to input more information! brb
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[21:15:19] <r00t4rd3d> go use mach then
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[21:23:54] <frallzor> ah foodstuffs is the best when you need it
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[21:24:47] <frallzor> but i get the main idea now, create snippet of code I desire, create a subroutine for it, call the subroutine when needed, go about doing business as usual
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[21:31:39] <JT-Shop> aye, you got it now :)
[21:32:12] <frallzor> but now when I read about it then I call sub-routines in the code
[21:32:54] <frallzor> but the idea is to create a routine that contains the code?
[21:34:13] <JT-Shop> if it is something you want to do more than once yes
[21:34:47] <frallzor> which the off-setting is, so its seems logical then
[21:35:16] <frallzor> a routine make it easier to link to call via buttons too I guess?
[21:35:26] <frallzor> rather then running code from a file over and over
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[21:37:21] <JT-Shop> exactly
[21:37:53] <JT-Shop> I have a button on my plasma to rapid to X0 Y0 Z0 in machine coordinates
[21:38:10] <JT-Shop> makes next time I turn it on homing is fast
[21:38:38] <frallzor> atleast I got the basic hang of it now =P
[21:41:16] <frallzor> assuming im looking at the right wikipage, is this somewhat in the correct direction?
http://pastebin.com/hcRhkw0v
[21:42:36] <frallzor> feels very wrong =)
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[21:46:41] <r00t4rd3d> http://jalopnik.com/5954486/the-man-who-spent-17-years-building-the-ultimate-lamborghini-replica-in-his-basement-wants-to-sell-it
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[21:57:53] <Mr_Wolfs> Oh he is crazy lol
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[22:01:28] <DJ9DJ> gn8
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[22:02:22] <JT-Shop> frallzor: I'd just do an incremental move up after the first probe move if your concerned about the repeatablity of your probe
[22:03:07] <frallzor> define incremental,
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[22:03:18] <frallzor> swedish native tounge you know =)
[22:03:43] <JT-Shop> http://www.linuxcnc.org/docs/html/gcode/gcode.html#sec:G90-G91
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[22:03:47] <JT-Shop> gotcha
[22:03:56] <JT-Shop> like this
http://pastebin.com/D3cNXHwa
[22:04:31] <frallzor> ah
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[22:04:32] <JT-Shop> I'm assuming your probe thing is 32.5mm tall when tripped...
[22:04:57] <frallzor> it is something like that, its written on it so I can allways change if wrong
[22:05:40] <JT-Shop> I think I understand and yes you can adjust as needed
[22:06:00] <JT-Shop> the second G38 might be Z-50 as well
[22:06:18] <JT-Shop> so incremental is move a distance from this point
[22:06:51] <JT-Shop> and absolute is move a distance from the coordinate system 0 (including any offsets in effect)
[22:07:02] <frallzor> ah yes
[22:07:05] <frallzor> that rings a bell
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[22:08:12] <frallzor> so the sub-routine is pretty "ok" so far then?
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[22:08:45] <frallzor> or was I misusing it?
[22:10:12] <JT-Shop> I like mine better :)
[22:10:34] <frallzor> besides my abuse of G-code then :P
[22:10:50] <JT-Shop> I don't think you can misuse G code if it works, there just might be better/faster easier to read versions of the same thing
[22:11:16] <frallzor> but the O100 etc is as should be for a subroutine?
[22:11:32] <frallzor> if one should call it then o100 is the name/number for it?
[22:11:34] <JT-Shop> for a numbered subroutine yes
[22:12:04] <frallzor> any other/better ways to make the routine?
[22:12:08] <JT-Shop> to call a file you need the name of the file the same as the subroutine inside, I prefer to use names
[22:12:50] <JT-Shop> http://www.linuxcnc.org/docs/html/gcode/o-code.html#_calling_files
[22:13:02] <JT-Shop> look at the called file example
[22:13:27] * JT-Shop ponders what to do next, splitter beam or splitter frame...
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[22:14:14] <frallzor> hmmmm
[22:14:46] <frallzor> i need a subroutine AND *.ngc?
[22:15:00] <frallzor> thought the *.ngc was the subroutine kind of
[22:15:20] <JT-Shop> .ngc is a G code file extension
[22:15:46] <JT-Shop> to call a file the subroutine and name must be the same
[22:16:32] <JT-Shop> I think I build the frame next
[22:16:32] <frallzor> so I alter the ngc to o<touch-z> for example
[22:16:48] <frallzor> and then call it?
[22:16:54] <JT-Shop> not the file name
[22:17:24] <JT-Shop> the file name would be touch-z.ngc and contain the <touch-z> sub
[22:17:47] <frallzor> ah
[22:18:41] <frallzor> but where is the call made? hal?
[22:19:19] <JT-Shop> no the ini file will have
[22:19:50] <frallzor> so say, im happy with the ngc, I put the call in the ini, would it be ready for use?
[22:19:59] <JT-Shop> in the [HALUI] section MDI_COMMAND = o<touch-z> call
[22:20:51] <JT-Shop> then in your hal file make a net touch-z-button halui.mdi-command-00 <= pyvcp.buttonname
[22:21:38] <frallzor> buttonname being any of the gamepads button for example?
[22:22:10] <JT-Shop> yea, could be interesting if you touched one by accident...
[22:22:30] <JT-Shop> I'd use two buttons if you have an extra
[22:22:37] <frallzor> that was the idea
[22:22:46] <JT-Shop> like the jog one, you have to press the speed then move the stick
[22:22:47] <frallzor> so I dont misclick
[22:22:51] <JT-Shop> yep
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[22:23:09] <JT-Shop> or the cat doens't send your machine to touch off in outer space
[22:23:29] <frallzor> same chance I will do that someday =)
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[22:24:56] <JT-Shop> ok, I'm going to make the frame for the log splitter now :)
[22:25:02] <frallzor> ah a log splitter
[22:25:14] <frallzor> didnt know what to say before =P
[22:25:21] <frallzor> "split what.." =P
[22:26:52] <frallzor> time to not care about lCNC anymore, better start fresh tomorrow =)
[22:26:57] <frallzor> thanks for the help
[22:27:27] <JT-Shop> np
[22:27:53] <frallzor> I think I might understand 5-6% of linuxCNC now =P
[22:31:05] <mrsun> haha
[22:32:07] <JT-Shop> http://imagebin.org/245480
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[22:32:09] <r00t4rd3d> i just click stuff till it works
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[22:32:56] <JT-Shop> http://imagebin.org/245481
[22:33:00] <frallzor> nice =)
[22:34:33] <JT-Shop> axle and spring hangers are done so time to build the frame :)
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[22:38:51] <frallzor> go get it!
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