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[03:05:21] <r00t4rd3d> ok debian 6.0.6.......
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[03:29:23] <r00t4rd3d> tjb1
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[03:29:34] <tjb1> yes?
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[03:29:50] <Tecan> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b1B_pZC8aWU << some judas to brighten up your day
[03:29:51] <r00t4rd3d> usux
[03:30:48] <r00t4rd3d> did you buy torx pro
[03:32:20] <tjb1> yes
[03:32:24] <tjb1> doesnt work with my phone
[03:33:24] <r00t4rd3d> will it install?
[03:34:01] <r00t4rd3d> or does google play say its incompatible?
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[03:54:01] <r00t4rd3d> hmm seems like ubuntu 12.04lts would be easier to make a live cd with
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[04:00:28] <mutilator> ok so..
[04:00:35] <mutilator> #1
https://dl.dropbox.com/u/24715738/IMG_20130128_095004.jpg
[04:00:59] <mutilator> #2 after slowing it down to 630mm/min
[04:01:02] <mutilator> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/24715738/IMG_20130128_225543.jpg
[04:01:17] <mutilator> still some pretty obvious mess ups but better
[04:01:40] <r00t4rd3d> what are you generating your gcode with?
[04:02:43] <mutilator> aspire
[04:03:54] <r00t4rd3d> have you tried cutting anything else?
[04:04:22] <mutilator> since changing speed? no
[04:04:48] <mutilator> got something for me to cut?
[04:05:36] <r00t4rd3d> if you have aspire you should be able to quickly generate a simple vector for testing.
[04:06:14] <r00t4rd3d> im not sure if your model is fucked up or your machine settings
[04:06:26] <r00t4rd3d> what do you have for a controller?
[04:07:26] <mutilator> g540
[04:07:40] <r00t4rd3d> are you sure that is set up right?
[04:07:56] <mutilator> uh
[04:08:05] <mutilator> as sure as i can be sure..
[04:08:16] <r00t4rd3d> tjb1, dont you have that controller?
[04:10:01] <tjb1> what controller
[04:10:51] <r00t4rd3d> g540
[04:11:18] <tjb1> yes
[04:11:48] <r00t4rd3d> is there basic stepconf instructions for linuxcnc somewhere?
[04:14:39] <r00t4rd3d> http://www.onel.se/all_files/gecko_g540.html
[04:14:55] <r00t4rd3d> mutilator, just see if your settings match those
[04:15:09] <r00t4rd3d> thats an older version of emc2 though...
[04:16:26] <r00t4rd3d> run stepconf again and choose to modify a configuration already created
[04:22:00] <r00t4rd3d> or is the g540 in the drop down menu?
[04:28:19] <mutilator> yea its in the menu
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[04:28:28] <mutilator> i just used that
[04:28:39] <mutilator> and increased my base period
[04:28:49] <mutilator> from the first photo to the second
[04:28:59] <mutilator> which decreased my velocity to 630mm/sec
[04:29:10] <mutilator> so it may be perfect now and those few glitches are from aspire
[04:29:29] <mutilator> because they're in the same spots on both of the cuts
[04:29:29] <r00t4rd3d> aspire doesnt glitch
[04:29:54] <r00t4rd3d> where did you get that model?
[04:30:13] <mutilator> its just a png
[04:30:19] <r00t4rd3d> ahhh
[04:30:25] <r00t4rd3d> so it probably is your model
[04:30:33] <r00t4rd3d> want me to make you something quick?
[04:30:40] <mutilator> yea
[04:32:06] <mutilator> i just did png -> fit vectors -> create shape from vectors, clicked calculate on my tool and blasted it to the cnc
[04:32:55] <r00t4rd3d> yeah thats why its screwed
[04:33:06] <r00t4rd3d> what kind of bit you have ?
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[04:36:16] <r00t4rd3d> mutilator
[04:37:36] <r00t4rd3d> Create a new file in aspire, like 8x8
[04:37:54] <r00t4rd3d> bottom left click on the modeling tab
[04:38:23] <mutilator> a cmt 60 degree vbit
[04:38:30] <r00t4rd3d> under Modeling Tools , top row, far right, Import component or 3d model
[04:38:42] <r00t4rd3d> then navigate to the aspire folder /sample files
[04:39:51] <r00t4rd3d> use a 3d finishing tool path on those models
[04:40:05] <mutilator> k
[04:41:18] <mutilator> ha
[04:41:26] <mutilator> 9hrs
[04:41:30] * mutilator changes size
[04:43:29] <mutilator> hm yea
[04:43:33] <mutilator> thats going to take.. forever
[04:44:19] <mutilator> 4:20
[04:45:48] <r00t4rd3d> https://anonfiles.com/file/d00f53534ff956ea164ac3e04fa1594e
[04:45:56] <r00t4rd3d> there i made you a quick one
[04:46:29] <r00t4rd3d> that should take seconds with 630mm/min
[04:48:55] <r00t4rd3d> edit the tool paths for your bit
[04:49:19] <r00t4rd3d> highlight them, edit icon, select your bit, calculate
[04:51:41] <r00t4rd3d> I had a giant dxf collection uploaded one
[04:51:44] <r00t4rd3d> once*
[04:54:25] <r00t4rd3d> mutilator,
https://anonfiles.com/file/4c5f5fd509f9bccd4589c5fdb47905d6
[04:54:36] <r00t4rd3d> 2,240 DXF files
[04:55:40] <r00t4rd3d> most you can just click on and they will open in aspire
[04:58:29] <mutilator> coo
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[05:05:00] <mutilator> so question.. what size endmill do you use to cut out pieces?
[05:05:12] <mutilator> just your preference/experience
[05:06:16] <r00t4rd3d> long time i used a 60 degree vbit 7/16 diameter
[05:07:03] <r00t4rd3d> now I use a 90 with 1/2 diameter and a 1/4 endmill
[05:07:35] <mutilator> hm
[05:07:56] <mutilator> any experience with smaller endmills?
[05:07:56] <r00t4rd3d> i have a shit ton of bits though
[05:08:12] <r00t4rd3d> yeah i have 1/16 ball ends and endmills
[05:08:15] <mutilator> like i have a bunch of these <2mm bits
[05:08:43] <mutilator> came in the grab bag sets i got from harbor freight
[05:08:53] <mutilator> though i'd never use em til i decided to build this cnc
[05:09:20] <r00t4rd3d> harbor freight? I probably wouldnt use them anyway.
[05:09:41] <r00t4rd3d> are they dremel bits?
[05:10:15] <mutilator> http://www.harborfreight.com/20-piece-solid-carbide-micro-bit-grab-bag-44924.html
[05:10:30] <r00t4rd3d> Hmm
[05:10:35] <mutilator> says they're carbide and they feel like it
[05:11:21] <mutilator> but when they say grab bag it truely is, sometimes you'll get all drill bits that are as thick as a hair
[05:11:38] <mutilator> sometimes you'll get end mills, sometimes not
[05:11:48] <mutilator> i've never used them yet though
[05:12:14] <r00t4rd3d> what do you have for a router/spindle ?
[05:12:21] <mutilator> just a dewalt router
[05:12:40] <mutilator> the 611
[05:12:45] <r00t4rd3d> lol
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[05:13:29] <r00t4rd3d> got a pic of your machine?
[05:16:13] <mutilator> https://dl.dropbox.com/u/24715738/IMG_20130129_001452.jpg
[05:16:41] <r00t4rd3d> is that a fireball?
[05:16:45] <mutilator> yea
[05:17:42] <r00t4rd3d> you need to move that controller
[05:17:46] <mutilator> why
[05:18:05] <r00t4rd3d> so you dont accidentally crush it.
[05:18:11] <mutilator> its not in the way of anything
[05:18:37] <r00t4rd3d> filling it with saw dust probably isnt too good either
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[05:19:48] <r00t4rd3d> the g540's are cheap though right?
[05:20:10] <mutilator> with the amount i currently use it
[05:20:14] <mutilator> i dont see it being a problem
[05:20:14] <mutilator> lol
[05:20:32] <r00t4rd3d> i have the same router
[05:20:43] <mutilator> last two days are the first time i've been able to touch it in 3 months
[05:21:18] <mutilator> been wanting to do puzzles for my lil one tho
[05:21:51] <r00t4rd3d> http://i.imgur.com/HC4POHd.jpg
[05:22:32] <r00t4rd3d> and all i use is aspire.
[05:23:05] <mutilator> i've done a single pcb with it so far
[05:23:08] <mutilator> and that turned out nice
[05:23:28] <mutilator> but was with the vbit and took a while, i dont want to burn that up on pcb
[05:23:49] <mutilator> so i was going to use those cheap harbor freight endmills
[05:23:53] <mutilator> havnt had a chance to test it tho
[05:24:05] <r00t4rd3d> you can get vbits at homedepot/lowes
[05:24:21] <r00t4rd3d> 1/4 down cut endmills too
[05:24:25] <mutilator> not mine
[05:24:39] <mutilator> well
[05:24:45] <mutilator> they do carry one bosch bvit
[05:24:47] <mutilator> vbit
[05:24:57] <mutilator> pretty big flat on the bottom of it
[05:25:01] <r00t4rd3d> thats the one i am using atm
[05:25:07] <r00t4rd3d> 1/2
[05:25:20] <mutilator> no end mills that i saw though
[05:25:40] <r00t4rd3d> they hide
[05:30:52] <mutilator> alrite time for bed
[05:30:54] <mutilator> adios
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[05:45:16] <r00t4rd3d> mutilator, you use openwrt?
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[05:58:28] <r00t4rd3d> can someone buy me this please?
[05:58:29] <r00t4rd3d> http://www.red.com/store/products/epic-x-pro-bundle
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[06:13:54] <Loetmichel> mornin'
[06:16:09] <fragalot> g'day
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[06:17:40] <Loetmichel> <- starting to. have to clean up my car, today is the bi-yearly official Checkup. ant the car looks like a mess. and its raining :-(
[06:18:11] <Loetmichel> and brining a messy car to the Checkup engineer isnt a great idea ;-)
[06:18:33] <Loetmichel> the look twice as eager to find a fault then
[06:18:52] <r00t4rd3d> bring him tea and biscuits
[06:20:31] <Loetmichel> not possible. will bring the car to a garage nearby my workplace, they will redo the rear brakes , some minor stuff and then get the test engineer at site.
[06:20:56] <Loetmichel> so i can get my car back in the evening, hopefully wit a new "checktag".
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[06:51:15] <Tecan> http://i.imgur.com/ugQkzYT.jpg
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[07:56:15] <DJ9DJ> moin
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[08:09:12] <Tecan> -36 outside
[08:09:27] <Tecan> 35 km/h wind
[08:12:15] <Jymmm> Tecan: Step out of the walkin freezer, DUH!
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[08:18:55] <Tecan> i do have to step into it every hour now
[08:18:57] <Tecan> usually its 2
[08:19:12] <Jymmm> =)
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[11:15:52] <kanzure> this kuka video is completely over-the-top
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qgA396HOr4Q
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[11:30:07] <Jymmm> LOL, it reminds me a a fictional Mega Corp in some Super Hero movie. Like the Mega Corp in iRobot
[11:30:31] <Jymmm> kanzure: ^^^^^^
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[11:32:48] <Jymmm> kanzure: Ah, "USR" is the Mega Corp in iRobot.
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[11:36:45] <Jymmm> kanzure: hahahahaha
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=kuka
[11:37:13] <Jymmm> kanzure: Robotic Vagina!
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[12:50:56] <TekniQue> Jymmm: kuka means to take a shit in icelandic
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[15:17:29] <JT-Shop> chopper79: I updated the component on my web site to remove unused pins
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[17:01:02] <jdh> I ordered one of those cheap nano-scope things. Anyone ever used one?
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[17:41:38] <JT-Shop> spindle encoder didn't work after it sat for while... tapped housing with rubber hammer and it started working YUCK!
[17:42:24] <micges> not good sign
[17:42:51] <roh> clean with oil-free air
[17:43:03] <roh> not too much pressure
[17:43:18] <JT-Shop> the encoder?
[17:43:29] <JT-Shop> it is sealed in a housing
[17:43:36] <roh> ah. hm. bad
[17:43:48] <roh> not really sealed also *g+
[17:44:16] <JT-Shop> not really easy to get to
[17:44:57] <JT-Shop> has to be a belt drive it is on the spindle of my Hardinge CHNC
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[18:01:24] <IchGuckLive> hi all B)
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[18:05:48] <DJ9DJ> hoi
[18:07:30] <JT-Shop> hola
[18:07:48] <IchGuckLive> is a raini day
[18:08:05] <IchGuckLive> tha Ausies are well down under this Days
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[19:11:14] <IchGuckLive> hi ravenlock does the mashine run 4th axis
[19:11:30] * ravenlock looks around
[19:11:36] <ravenlock> me?
[19:11:43] <IchGuckLive> yes
[19:12:00] <ravenlock> to which machine do you refer? (the one I mentioned some time back?)
[19:12:04] <IchGuckLive> i made you a sim for the 4th axis did you got the real mashine run
[19:12:23] <ravenlock> right. k. just making sure I did not walk into the middle of a conversaiotn
[19:12:38] <ravenlock> I have not run anything on the machine yet.
[19:12:42] <IchGuckLive> B) O.O
[19:12:52] <ravenlock> :( I know.
[19:12:53] <IchGuckLive> BAD
[19:12:56] <ravenlock> is not my machine
[19:13:07] <ravenlock> I will be borrowing time on anothers machine.
[19:13:15] <ravenlock> just for the final tests.
[19:13:18] <IchGuckLive> ah then keep sunshine in your hard
[19:13:29] <ravenlock> my in my who?
[19:13:50] <IchGuckLive> i made a nice gearbox today
[19:15:16] <IchGuckLive> http://mechmo.de/x_zahn.jpg
[19:15:44] <ravenlock> cool
[19:15:46] <ravenlock> looks good
[19:16:45] <IchGuckLive> 470 Euros
[19:16:59] <IchGuckLive> i think i go for a Planetary its only 260
[19:18:19] <IchGuckLive> ok its late by till tomorrow
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[19:18:31] <ravenlock> g'nite
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[19:29:21] <tandoori> ok friends, i am worried now
[19:30:14] <tandoori> since i will be using my cnc mill for mostly pcb milling, should i opt for one of the (cheaper) mills with more surface area to work with
[19:30:34] <tandoori> i REALLY want a taig mill, but the work area is kind of restrictive
[19:31:39] <tandoori> id get a chinese mill, but im afraid the quality is a bit lackluster compared to the taig
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[19:32:08] <anonimasu> you will have that problem with whatever machine you choose(work area size
[19:32:24] <tandoori> this is my first mill, i want to get one that suits my needs, but that will also grow with me
[19:32:38] <anonimasu> I have 800x600x600 on my big mill it's about half the size i'd like
[19:32:57] <anonimasu> :)
[19:33:59] <tandoori> i just dont know what to do. I just want a mid range cnc mill. why the hell are those mills longer than they are wide anyway?
[19:34:24] <anonimasu> you mean the x is longer?
[19:34:35] <anonimasu> it's always like that on any machine pretty much
[19:34:36] <tandoori> i thought it would make more sense to have a work area more balanced
[19:34:44] <gene77> Hi guys, need a 7 degree taper over a 10.1mm travel, is that a total taper of 1.24mm?
[19:34:56] <tandoori> mind if i give you an example
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[19:36:03] <tandoori> http://www.aliexpress.com/item/High-Precision-pcb-milling-machine/717002157.html
[19:36:15] <tandoori> i need a surface area like that
[19:36:35] <tandoori> http://www.taigtools.com/cmill.html
[19:36:41] <tandoori> but with the quality of that
[19:37:51] <tandoori> i dont know. maybe the china mill is of pretty good quality
[19:37:57] <anonimasu> they arent
[19:38:02] <tandoori> heh
[19:38:41] <anonimasu> (note that the brand dosent matter)
[19:38:58] <anonimasu> they are ok if you like to fight the mechanical part to make them work..
[19:39:27] <tandoori> what do you mean by fight?
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[19:40:41] <anonimasu> fixing things like slop and bad alignment and bad bearings and bad spindle..
[19:41:02] <anonimasu> poor build quality
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[19:41:33] <tandoori> do you know of any higher quality mills with work areas like the chinese mill?
[19:41:50] <anonimasu> a old machine(very old cnc machine) that's beat to half death is likely better then a new mill like that
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[19:43:51] <awallin> pcb-milling with a rotary !? :P
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[19:45:03] <tandoori> awallin: i have other uses for the mill
[19:45:15] <tandoori> but mostly for pcb work
[19:45:42] <awallin> then you need two machines :)
[19:45:51] <tandoori> i will also mill enclosures,
[19:46:03] <tandoori> um, no dont need two machines, thats silly
[19:47:18] <jdh> of course you don't
[19:47:23] <jdh> you need three
[19:48:20] * tandoori sighs
[19:48:25] <tandoori> thanks for the help everyone
[19:48:54] <awallin> these are decent for pcb work www.ebay.de/itm/LPKF-ProtoMat-S91s-VS-60-000-RPM-version-/290853401325
[19:50:52] <tandoori> huh
[19:51:03] <tandoori> are they good for other things too? :-P
[19:51:04] <jdh> with a real spindle
[19:51:36] <awallin> not really, but a machine that is good for pcb's will not be that great for other things
[19:52:11] <tandoori> so it wouldnt be good for making enclosures out of plastic and aluminum?
[19:52:14] <jdh> and the othe rway around
[19:53:19] <awallin> the lpkf pcb mills I've used just have up/down z-axes, so they are essentially for 2D work
[19:53:44] * tandoori frowns
[19:53:49] <tandoori> i need a more versatile machine
[19:54:23] <tandoori> i would settle for mid quality if the mill will be able to accomplish all the things i need it to do
[19:54:36] <jdh> df on what?
[19:54:40] <jdh> <urk>
[19:56:32] <tandoori> it has to (at the very least) also be able to mill plastic parts
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[19:58:18] <awallin> something similar to a Tormach will be general purpose, but not good for pcb work
[19:58:19] <jdh> you need a mill and a high speed router
[19:59:08] <tandoori> i dont understand why you are saying it wouldnt be good for pcb work.
[19:59:24] <jdh> because, it won't be good for PCB work.
[19:59:41] <tandoori> well i can live with 'fair'
[19:59:57] <JT-Shop> is the 6i25 supported by hostmot2?
[20:00:05] <pcw_home> Yes
[20:01:08] <pcw_home> its just a 5i25 + PCIE-PCI bridge (and will report itself as a 5I25 with 5I25 firmware)
[20:02:23] <tandoori> again, thanks everyone for their input. I think i will just go with a general-purpose something that has satisfactory pcb milling results on youtube
[20:02:43] <tandoori> i may ask again when there are more people around
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[20:06:59] <archivist> tandoori, this is about the most popular time in hers as both sides the pond are awake
[20:07:27] <tandoori> huh
[20:07:29] <tandoori> oh
[20:08:33] <archivist> some applications do need multiple machines or a machine that can have a spindle change between jobs
[20:09:15] <tandoori> why a spindle change?
[20:09:30] <archivist> speed
[20:09:36] <tandoori> couldnt i just get a high quality spingle and be done with it?
[20:09:50] <tandoori> lord. i dont care about speed
[20:10:00] <tandoori> i care about versatility
[20:10:22] <tandoori> it can take 5 hours if it wants
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[20:11:42] <cradek> this is probably a stupid question, but would someone with a modern windows computer be able to easily handle a zip file of a bunch of jpegs, without having to install extra software? is this how windows users transfer a bunch of files?
[20:15:27] <roycroft> windows users transfer a bunch of files by emailing them
[20:15:30] <archivist> windows, a relic of the past I find hard to help with these days
[20:15:33] <roycroft> usually to everyone on their address list
[20:16:26] <cradek> ok this isn't helping me :-)
[20:16:27] <roycroft> if you're wanting to package something up that you're certain windows users will be able to deal with consider making a self-extracting zip file
[20:16:32] <cradek> I'm asking in the wrong place
[20:16:41] <roycroft> not necessarily
[20:17:01] <roycroft> but when you mention windows you must be prepared to deal with some snarkiness before you get any real answers :)
[20:17:02] <cradek> if you're telling me the standard practice is to send an exe instead, I'll cry
[20:17:20] <roycroft> i'm saying that's the most universal way
[20:17:35] <roycroft> last time i checked, windows didn't even ship with a pdf viewer
[20:17:41] <archivist> I do still see the odd site with zips
[20:18:00] <roycroft> it's a pretty bare-bones os, unless you want to use proprietary windows tools/file formats
[20:18:25] <roycroft> i know i've had to install unarchiving tools on windows
[20:18:39] <archivist> but I also am seeing widows types using PDF as the universal package
[20:18:54] <roycroft> it still requires third-party software, archivist
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[20:20:16] <r00t4rd3d> if its in pdf format, everything requires some part of 3rd party code.
[20:20:21] <archivist> pdf is always there these days, and it is the one I get asked for when a point a user at a bunch of jpgs
[20:20:37] <archivist> a I
[20:20:42] <roycroft> no it's not
[20:20:45] <roycroft> i promise you, it's not
[20:20:59] <roycroft> a division of the company i work for is a print shop business
[20:21:03] <roycroft> and we require pdfs
[20:21:16] <roycroft> people send us word documents and they never format as expected
[20:21:40] <roycroft> so we absolutely require pdfs if the customer is not there in person to approve a proof before we run their job
[20:21:57] <roycroft> and at least 90% of our windows-based customers are incapable of producing a pdf
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[20:22:31] <archivist> we are talking bucket of jpg not print proof quality
[20:22:34] <roycroft> most who can, who are not graphic arts professionals, use some lame free pdf generator that produces horrible output
[20:23:14] <roycroft> but the horrible output looks identically horrible on the customer's inkjet printer as it does on our fancy printers
[20:24:33] <roycroft> a thumb drive with a directory full of unarchived jpeg images is the other universal option
[20:24:43] <roycroft> which requires, in most cases, no exe
[20:27:32] <fragalot> hm
[20:27:45] <JT-Shop> cradek: what are you needing?
[20:27:49] <fragalot> reckon I could get away with these:
http://www.benl.ebay.be/itm/4P-SBR12UU-linear-bearing-pillow-blocks-with-LM12UUOP-Linear-Ball-Bearing-Block-/140725287443?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item20c3e17a13 for use on 12mm hardened unsupported rods?
[20:28:08] <fragalot> I can't seem to find LM12UU's that have an adjustment screw other than the open type listed there
[20:28:42] <cradek> JT-Shop: just to send a bunch of jpegs to someone with windows, and unknown skills and unknown extra software installed
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[20:29:58] <JT-Shop> windows has a built in viewer
[20:30:20] <JT-Shop> are you sending a CD?
[20:30:41] <fragalot> bah
[20:30:48] <cradek> can you click on a zip and then view or copy out the images inside?
[20:30:55] * fragalot really doesn't want to use open bearings if he doesn't have to
[20:30:57] <JT-Shop> yes
[20:31:18] <JT-Shop> if it is a jpg it is already compressed for the most part
[20:31:22] <cradek> cool, thanks, that's pretty much the information I wanted
[20:31:34] <cradek> yeah I know - it's the combining into one file that's important here
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[20:32:15] <archivist> fragalot, are your sure that is an adjustment screw, looks like it could be a retention screw
[20:32:50] <fragalot> archivist:
http://www.benl.ebay.be/itm/Pack-4-SBR12UU-12mm-Aluminum-Open-Linear-Router-Motion-Bearing-Shaft-Block-/271116606637?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3f1fcf1cad these appear to have both
[20:33:24] <fragalot> i'd much prefer closed ones but I can't seem to find any
[20:33:29] <fragalot> my ebay-fu is weak
[20:34:48] <fragalot> need to replace my SC12LUU's with something adjustable because they're just.. not working
[20:34:58] <tandoori> will that china mill work if i get a better spindle?
[20:35:34] <fragalot> tandoori: which one?
[20:35:47] <tandoori> http://www.aliexpress.com/item/High-Precision-pcb-milling-machine/717002157.html
[20:36:12] <archivist> tandoori, fragalotis trying to fix a chinese mill to be usable for pcb :)
[20:36:32] <tandoori> orly?? awesome
[20:36:54] <fragalot> i'm not finding it all that awesome :P
[20:36:59] <tandoori> aww
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[20:37:07] <tandoori> what problems are you having?
[20:37:10] <archivist> there are a few who have had problems with quality
[20:37:56] <fragalot> tandoori: all of the problems that come associated with loose non-adjustable unsupported linear slides, fixed loud 28k rpm spindle with a fair bit of runout, and the bed is bowed
[20:38:01] <fragalot> aside from that, it's an awesome machine!
[20:38:03] <fragalot> >.<
[20:38:24] <tandoori> ugh that looks terrible
[20:38:41] <archivist> very good for training you in the possible faults of a machine
[20:39:07] <fragalot> archivist: always dealt with taiwanese "big" machining centers
[20:39:10] <fragalot> lovely things to work on
[20:39:14] <tandoori> so i should just get the taig and just work within the space m given :-(
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[20:40:43] <fragalot> tandoori: "you get what you pay for"
[20:41:00] <archivist> cheap shit is...
[20:41:10] <fragalot> archivist: cheap
[20:41:10] <fragalot> :D
[20:41:13] <tandoori> aye, i really like the taig mills because they are high quality, but the workspace sux
[20:41:25] <fragalot> until you need to upgrade it to get it to work & end up paying more in parts than the machine was worth
[20:41:26] <archivist> best cheap is second hand industrial
[20:41:43] <fragalot> damn you ebay give me some adjustable LM12UU blocks!
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[20:42:13] <tandoori> Maximum Travel: X = 9.5", Y = 5.5", Z = 6.0"
[20:42:25] * tandoori cries on archivist's shoulder
[20:43:16] <archivist> tandoori, a number in here have built their own machines to avoid some of the problems
[20:43:20] <fragalot> tandoori: planning on doing big PCB's?
[20:43:41] <tandoori> fragalot: not particularly, but i might in the future
[20:44:11] <tandoori> and im sorry i gave you the wrong dimensons. Table dimensions 3 1/2 x 15 1/2 inches
[20:44:28] <tandoori> its the 3.5 part that has me frowning
[20:45:00] <tandoori> id be stuck with making pcbs longer than they are wide
[20:45:01] <fragalot> also, travel & table size mean fuck all
[20:45:09] <fragalot> it's the work area that's important
[20:46:19] <fragalot> archivist:
http://www.benl.ebay.be/itm/Pack-4-SBR12UU-SBR16UU-12mm-13mm-16mm-20mm-Open-Linear-Router-Motion-Bearing-/400356736286?pt=UK_BOI_Industrial_Automation_Control_ET&var=&hash=item9c023186bc -- do these look "adjustable" to you?
[20:47:26] <jdh> a bunch of zipped jpegs should be fine on xp/7/8
[20:47:29] <archivist> no mention of adjustment
[20:47:37] <tandoori> sigh, fine, fine. ill get the taig
[20:47:46] <fragalot> yeah
[20:47:46] <fragalot> :<
[20:47:56] <jdh> tandoori: lots of people get teh taigs and seem happy with them.
[20:48:23] <tandoori> jdh: aye, ive seen many a pcb milling video on youtube with a taig with very nice results
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[20:48:40] <jdh> I wanted to make PCBs so I got a router
[20:48:46] <jdh> still haven't really made any PCBs
[20:48:56] <archivist> I just use a PCB company
[20:49:20] <tandoori> hum whats the difference between router and mill?
[20:49:29] <tandoori> or are they interchangable words?
[20:49:39] <jdh> semantics, and/or spindle speed and rigidity
[20:50:44] <tandoori> aye
[20:51:53] <Loetmichel> tandoori: i was told: the difference in spindle speed and tool size and the platform. i.e Gantry= router, knee or column mill = mill ;-)
[20:52:24] <tandoori> hum. which are better? :-P
[20:53:40] <gene77> Allow me to dip an oar in this pcb carving water. I have done it on the HF micro-mill, but this one has very little resemblance to the OEM model, and it was NOT fun.
[20:53:45] <Loetmichel> depends: gantry is usally less rigid but MUCH better for sheet metal (workspace wide and deep but flat, column and knee mills have usually more cubic workspaces and are better for big tools
[20:54:25] <Loetmichel> gene77: this kind? ->
http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=799
[20:54:29] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=804
[20:54:35] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=814
[20:55:05] <archivist> tandoori, use the right tool for the job, rather than which is better
[20:55:21] <Loetmichel> archivist: thats what i wanted to say ;-)
[20:55:27] <fragalot> adjustable pillow blocks for LM12LUU's don't appear to exist
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[20:55:47] <fragalot> i've found some LM12AJ's which appear to be made to be adjusted, but that doesn't give me a pillow block that works
[20:55:50] <fragalot> >.>
[20:56:15] <gene77> Not no, but hell no! This was about a 1.35x2,1" board, for the spindle encoder on my mini-lathe
[20:56:20] <Loetmichel> fragalot: get a saw, a thread cutter and some screws and make one ;-)
[20:56:43] <fragalot> Loetmichel: yeah I reckon that's going to be the way to go
[20:56:59] <archivist> fragalot, not sure they can exist, the adjustable block I have, have a screw across the opening to squeeze the bearing
[20:57:11] <tandoori> Loetmichel: wow those boards look pretty sweet
[20:57:29] <tandoori> what kind of mill did you use for those?
[20:57:44] <Loetmichel> tandoori:
http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=12569
[20:57:56] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=12578
[20:58:08] <Loetmichel> a little selfbuilt one ;-)
[20:58:45] <jdh> with a floppy disk!
[20:58:47] <fragalot> archivist: well the smaller blocks appear to have 2 screws that seem to work for adjustment
[20:58:53] <fragalot> just can't find the same thing for the long bearings
[20:58:55] <tandoori> sweet what is the size of that workspace, Loetmichel?
[20:59:07] <Loetmichel> 200mm*110mm*110mm
[20:59:11] <fragalot> hell I can't even find fully closed bearing blocks that have 'm for som ereason
[20:59:16] <Loetmichel> ... always to small ;-)
[20:59:28] <fragalot> Loetmichel: retro monitor
[20:59:30] <fragalot> :P
[20:59:33] <Loetmichel> hmm?
[20:59:41] <Loetmichel> to big one
[20:59:45] <fragalot> CRT with builtin speakers
[20:59:46] <fragalot> xD
[21:00:02] <Loetmichel> i would like to have a 10" or 12" woth at least 1024*768
[21:00:10] <Loetmichel> that would fit tha back plate of the mill
[21:00:20] <fragalot> so... tap setscrew holes in my existing LM12LUU blocks & hope for the best?
[21:00:26] <Loetmichel> thats no CRT, thats a TFT 15"
[21:00:32] <fragalot> can't hurt, assuming I ever manage to get those damn bearings out, lol
[21:00:36] <fragalot> Loetmichel: oh
[21:00:38] <fragalot> whoops
[21:02:05] <fragalot> found something that looks good that has a "high accurfange"
[21:02:06] <fragalot> >.>
[21:02:28] <Loetmichel> high WHAT?
[21:02:45] <fragalot> accurfange
[21:02:57] <fragalot> so it can be moved without any difraction
[21:03:06] <fragalot> .. yeah i'm not buying from that guy, lol
[21:04:20] <Loetmichel> hrhr
[21:04:27] <Loetmichel> maybe chinese?
[21:05:15] <Loetmichel> i wouldnt judge the accuracy by the english he speaks. CAN still be good ;-)
[21:06:21] <fragalot> yea, no
[21:06:29] <fragalot> 4 pictures listed of 4 different bearings
[21:06:42] <fragalot> tempted to just get SBR12UU's
[21:07:33] <fragalot> and hope the open design doesn't cause more issues
[21:09:28] <fragalot> oh great
[21:09:40] <fragalot> SMA10UU blocks, SMA13UU blocks, BUT NO 12
[21:11:21] <fragalot> looks like i'll be spending some time @ the mill making my own during my lunch breaks
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[21:12:34] <fragalot> http://www.benl.ebay.be/itm/VERY-NICE-THOMSON-SUPER-BALL-BUSHING-PILLOW-BLOCK-SPB-12-ADJ-QTY-12-/350697319253?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item51a7306b55
[21:12:38] <fragalot> VICTORY
[21:15:10] <fragalot> tbf at that price I might aswell buy a whole set of rails and start over, lol
[21:19:35] <archivist> fragalot, but..then the rail has no mid support and therefore is flexible so you need larger diameter for similar stiffness
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[21:22:04] <fragalot> ofcourse
[21:22:12] <fragalot> if i replace 'm i'm going for supported shafts anyway
[21:22:56] <fragalot> or I could go for 20mm
[21:23:07] <fragalot> should be OK for a 30cm gap, no?
[21:25:44] <archivist> depends on your deflection requirements
[21:26:01] <fragalot> enough for engraving & pcb milling
[21:26:34] <fragalot> i'm not expecting to ever get 0.01mm results, but 0.05 or better would be neat
[21:26:46] <Loetmichel> archivist: IIRC his mill is only 200 ba 150 mm movement
[21:26:58] <fragalot> main thing is that even if I try and use the mill a shaper it still bows in PTFE >.<
[21:27:00] <Loetmichel> 12 is a bit thin but useable
[21:27:06] <fragalot> Loetmichel: yea
[21:27:07] <Loetmichel> even without support
[21:27:19] <archivist> he may be expanding during refurbishment
[21:27:31] <fragalot> archivist: no
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[21:27:56] <fragalot> not going to modify the 12mm thick alu framing
[21:28:16] <fragalot> so if I replace the slides it's going to have to fit in the existing frame
[21:28:20] <fragalot> which is 300mm for the Y
[21:30:15] <fragalot> I'm tempted to get 2 of these and call it a day
http://www.benl.ebay.be/itm/1pcs-SBR12-300mm-Linear-shaft-supports-2pcs-SBR12UU-Bearing-Block-Slide-/140775243521?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item20c6dbbf01
[21:32:14] <Loetmichel> hmm, in that context: a question to the theoretical mechanics cracks: i have some 20mm prcision ground and chromed tube here with 3mm wall. if i put a threaded m12 rod in t and two nuts and whashers at the ends and tighten them to the max: will the bend less at the same sideways force?
[21:32:49] <Loetmichel> fragalot: if you can mount the supports somewhere?
[21:33:08] <fragalot> Loetmichel: I can make a backplate
[21:33:33] <fragalot> there's a 3mm cover plate in place already along the Y that I could bolt it to that's supported on all sides, so that should be alright
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[21:34:10] <Loetmichel> then it should be better than unsupportet MUCH better would be 2 backplates with a 40mm rame in between and a sack of screws (torsion box)
[21:34:35] <Loetmichel> s/rame/frame
[21:34:43] <fragalot> not sure a torsion box is required on a 12mm solid alu frame
[21:35:00] <Loetmichel> cant hurt ;-)
[21:35:03] <fragalot> especially not if the cover plate i'm talking about is only ~10cm tall and supported all 'round
[21:36:07] <fragalot> only thing i'm worried about is the fact that it's got an open bearing with all the loads going towards the opening
[21:36:10] <fragalot> :/
[21:36:46] <fragalot> if I can find some 20mm rods with holes tapped on either end for mounting it in place of the existing ones & adjustable fully enclosed blocks, that'd be great
[21:36:50] <fragalot> but that will be for another day I think
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[21:37:38] <fragalot> but now.. sleep
[21:37:55] <DJ9DJ> good night fragalot
[21:39:35] <Loetmichel> fragalot: no friend with a lathe?
[21:40:00] <Loetmichel> to turn some 20mm rod ends down to 12mm and make the tapped ends
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[21:42:07] <fragalot> Loetmichel: I want hardened only
[21:42:18] <fragalot> seen too many people go wrong with unhardened rods & bearings
[21:44:10] <JT-Shop> chopper79: did you get the thcud component installed?
[21:47:27] <Connor> fragalot: What are you trying to do?
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[21:56:05] <Loetmichel> hmm, noone tht can shed some light on the bending a tube issue?
[21:56:27] <Loetmichel> [22:32] <Loetmichel> hmm, in that context: a question to the theoretical mechanics cracks: i have some 20mm prcision ground and chromed tube here with 3mm wall. if i put a threaded m12 rod in t and two nuts and whashers at the ends and tighten them to the max: will the bend less at the same sideways force?
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[23:29:15] <r00t4rd3d> 50F out tomorrow :/
[23:29:48] <ReadError> sounds warm
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[23:50:31] <jdh> 78F tomorrow
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[23:55:45] <Valen> http://cheezburger.com/7012190720
[23:56:09] <Valen> was 116f here last week
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