#linuxcnc | Logs for 2013-01-05

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[00:06:43] * JT-Shop got the tools out of the ATC and thinks he fingered a way to run the last part...
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[00:14:07] <ReadError> dumb question
[00:14:14] <ReadError> if im doing manual tool changes
[00:14:24] <ReadError> can i re-touch off z axis?
[00:15:59] <cradek> only by stopping, touching off, then run from line after the tool change
[00:16:19] <cradek> axis keeps track of where in the program you aborted, so it's easy to find the restart point
[00:18:25] <ds3> no good guides on debugging missing steps on steppers?
[00:19:25] <ReadError> cradek: i was thinking about just making 2 separate gcode programs then with the same dimensions
[00:19:33] <ReadError> since it should preserve the same point when i load it
[00:19:51] <cradek> a program per tool is another easy way
[00:20:12] <cradek> manual tool changing kind of sucks no matter how you do it...
[00:20:31] <ReadError> yea, i need to holes, countersink, then profiling
[00:20:40] <ReadError> so thats 3 changes
[00:20:54] <cradek> sometimes for mass production it's easier to change the part than the tool
[00:21:01] <cradek> depends on your fixturing
[00:21:12] <ReadError> or i might be able to do the countersink first, and use the endmill for the holes as well
[00:21:13] <cradek> you can sometimes avoid many touch offs that way
[00:21:26] <ReadError> but i figured removing some material would help the countersink work better
[00:21:51] <cradek> 90 degree point drillmills can sometimes do both jobs
[00:22:42] <ReadError> so i need to create a support ticket with parallels desktop
[00:23:02] <ReadError> i was testing my 'pendant' (3d mouse) before i put it on the actual linuxcnc box
[00:23:10] <ReadError> when you install their tools it breaks linuxcnc
[00:23:17] <ReadError> segfaults on libc
[00:25:08] <andypugh> ds3: It's hard to tell when the steps are missed, but it is _probably_ overload at low speed as at high speed the motor tends to stall and not recover.
[00:25:57] <ReadError> i have high hopes for this 3dconnexion spacenavigator + hidcomp
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[00:41:45] <andypugh> It looks like it mght be useful.
[00:42:00] <andypugh> I am almost tempted to see ig I can find one cheap.
[00:42:15] <ReadError> the 3d mouse?
[00:42:32] <ReadError> hidcomp is pretty neat
[00:42:36] <ReadError> you can tune the curve
[00:42:48] <ReadError> to have it not very responsive around the middle
[00:43:18] <andypugh> I was meaning the mouse. But mainly for using with Inventor rather than LinuxCNC
[00:43:47] <ReadError> yea its pretty sweet in solidworks
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[00:57:40] <andypugh> I wonder what the latency is like on this? http://app.audiogon.com/listings/media-servers-core-audio-technology-kryptos-ultimate-media-server-a-cost-no-object-marvel-2012-12-10-computer-audio-91403
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[00:59:09] <andypugh> Hi-Fi biffs seem to have cornered the market in talking bollocks: "Open Architecture 64-bit Music Server for Additional Versatility ... We offer a fully optimized and rebuilt windows 7 64-bit Operating System with upgrade options to windows 8 once licensing becomes available. Our open architecture promotes versatility and higher potential for sonic performance and customization. A Linux operating system just can't do wh
[00:59:09] <andypugh> we want, doesn't sound anywhere near as good, and lacks expandability. "
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[00:59:47] <abetusk> anyone have experience converting gerber to gcode?
[01:03:16] <ReadError> ive used pcb-gcode for eagle
[01:03:20] <ReadError> thats about all
[01:03:29] <ReadError> worked pretty well
[01:04:46] <abetusk> I'm using a tool called pcb2gcode and I'm finding that the front conversion is localized to the lower right quadrent, the back conversion is localized to the lower left quadrent and the drill conversion is localized to the upper left quadrent...
[01:05:18] <abetusk> Is this "standard" gerber and pcb2gcode blindly following it or is this the tool doing something stupid, do you think?
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[01:17:48] <andypugh> Sounds like something odd about coordinate origins.
[01:18:55] <abetusk> andypugh, I think this is the culprit: http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/kicad-users/message/10283
[01:20:15] <andypugh> Worth a try
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[01:21:41] <ReadError> abetusk, ive heard good things about diptrace
[01:21:44] <ReadError> never used it myself though
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[01:22:50] <abetusk> free version limited to 300 pins and non-commercial use. I'll stick with KiCAD
[01:22:54] <abetusk> thank you though
[01:23:42] <ReadError> are you a student ?
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[01:28:12] <abetusk> No
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[02:01:30] <ReadError> note: dont cut g10 with a dremel
[02:01:33] <ReadError> it fricken stinks
[02:09:59] <alex4nder> yoh
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[02:20:08] <andypugh> I wonder what this actually is? http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/271130813214
[02:27:57] <cradek> I don't know, but that MT1 looks awfully small on it
[02:32:52] <andypugh> Odd, isn't it?
[02:33:09] <cradek> yeah. I'd like a closer look at the inside
[02:35:11] <andypugh> I might just buy it to see what it is :-)
[02:39:07] <Tom_itx> offset boreing bar?
[02:40:26] <Tom_itx> naw
[02:41:41] <Tom_itx> not for old brace and bit type drills is it?
[02:41:50] <Tom_itx> with the square drive
[02:42:03] <andypugh> I found one auction, "job lot of artutrades". I think he means "Architraves"
[02:42:23] <cradek> Tom_itx: I thought that too, but the MT1 is so wimpy.
[02:42:36] <andypugh> Tapping chuck?
[02:42:45] <andypugh> Roller box?
[02:43:01] <Tom_itx> buy it and let us all know :D
[02:43:24] <skunkworks> I think we have something like that...
[02:43:48] <skunkworks> wonder if dad knows what it is..
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[02:53:23] <skunkworks> heh - dad says 'guess i just assumed that was a drill chuck first generation'
[02:53:47] <skunkworks> 'before maybe someone figured out tapers for closing '
[02:56:00] <andypugh> Somehow it doesn't look quite that old
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[03:16:23] <skunkworks> andypugh: Close to the bottom... http://www.homemetalshopclub.org/news/mar03/mar03.html
[03:18:13] <andypugh> I wondered if it was for tapping, but rejected the idea as the taper is so small.
[03:18:57] <andypugh> This does make it ideal for rigid-tapping on my lathe though, as I have a few MT1 toolholders.
[03:19:24] <t12> i wonder if my tiny little feedthrough will work
[03:19:31] <t12> https://www.dropbox.com/s/xwmru0qg84nvdfi/2013-01-04%2019.16.08.jpg
[03:20:26] <Tom_itx> slip some heatshrink tube over the wires to help protect them
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[03:22:41] <t12> good idea
[03:22:52] <t12> the hole is gonna be epoxy filled too
[03:23:24] <t12> its for a liq n2 tank, so i dunno if the seals on the nuts will work
[03:23:43] <t12> might have to use cryo metal seals if i can make or find them
[03:25:30] <archivist> have a flange at one end rather than a nut
[03:25:43] <archivist> part of screw
[03:26:53] <t12> yah i could just drill out a machine cap screw
[03:27:33] <t12> i guess hex head would be better
[03:31:10] <t12> is there a sane way to 3jaw chuck allthread
[03:31:20] <t12> without destroying the threads
[03:31:33] <Tom_itx> lock 2 nuts together
[03:31:37] <Tom_itx> and chuck on the nuts
[03:32:38] <Tom_itx> maybe not the absolute best way but it would probably work
[03:32:44] <t12> i guess thatd be easier with a 4jaw also
[03:32:55] <t12> due to nut nonconcentricity
[03:34:09] <t12> ill have to take another shot at it tomorrow
[03:36:11] <andypugh> Alternatively, one nut with a saw-cut in the three-jaw.
[03:36:55] <t12> like split nut?
[03:37:17] <andypugh> Yes.
[03:37:54] <andypugh> You could consider making one from scratch if you are not convinced that commercial nuts are concentric..
[03:38:01] <skunkworks> aluminum shim (say .030)
[03:38:20] <t12> the nonconcenrcity likely doesnt mater anyway
[03:38:24] <t12> being obsessive
[03:39:04] <andypugh> bottoming-out in a blind, tapped hole will work too.
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[03:39:49] <t12> ahh yeah that makes sense
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[03:40:50] <RyanS> how do harmonic drive gears get 100:1 ratio for eg? i watched an animation and i'm only seeing the flexible internal gear being slightly smaller diameter then the outside rigid gear. Where is the reduction derived from?
[03:41:46] <archivist> RyanS, 100 teeth in the inner and it only jumps one tooth per rev
[03:45:25] <skunkworks> t2 how much pressure?
[03:45:52] <t12> for the liqn2 thing? 22psi
[03:46:04] <skunkworks> I would want the oring to be totally trapped.
[03:46:10] <t12> thats where the dewer blowoffs are
[03:46:19] <skunkworks> ah
[03:46:39] <RyanS> so it 'waves' therefore the teeth do not mesh together as often as other types of gears?
[03:46:39] <t12> for no oring to n2 exposure?
[03:47:18] <archivist> yes
[03:47:44] <t12> yeah the oring is def not the right material
[03:48:35] <jdh> brass tubing, slit (chucking all-thread)
[03:48:56] <skunkworks> jdh: ooh - good thinking
[03:48:58] <t12> a gallium oring i think is the right thing
[03:49:06] <skunkworks> even copper water pipe
[03:49:09] <t12> but i dont think theyre made that small
[03:49:34] <t12> could cast one or just cut a hole in some stock and trim
[03:49:50] <t12> im going for wait and see kf it matters
[03:49:54] <t12> if
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[03:50:18] <t12> thnx all for the chucking suggests
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[04:45:35] <RifRaf> anyone cut smallish involute gears with their cnc machine?
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[05:33:05] <theos> hmm
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[07:27:40] <toner> RifRaf: yeah, I've done some with ze laser
[07:27:49] <toner> I used GearTrax, it worked quite nicely
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[08:02:41] <mrsun> hmm cutting depth for CCGT inserts is specced to 0.25 - 8mm ... but for finnishing passes then or very fine corrections of like 0.02mm or something is it possible to do with those? :)
[08:04:33] <mrsun> or am i reading it wrong ...
[08:04:58] <mrsun> no cutting depth of 0.25 - 8mm
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[08:06:48] <archivist> because of the way they cut one should set the last fine cut to be on size
[08:08:17] <archivist> often that very small finish cut will just drag and produce a poor finish, main cause is the work hardened skin from a previous cut
[08:11:35] <mrsun> hmm need to learn that then :P
[08:12:09] <mrsun> never got stuff so close even if i measure .. feed in etc feels like the lathes lines arent fully where they should be sometimes =)
[08:13:40] <mrsun> ofc i could check that quite easy :P
[08:14:44] <archivist> another thing to bite you that is not a lathe fault but is related to cut depth, rake and lubrication is built up edge
[08:16:20] <archivist> and a built up edge acts as a cutting edge of some random size this means you dont get what you think you should and causes a poor finish
[08:16:40] <mrsun> mm
[08:17:14] <mrsun> as i do quite a bit in alu i guess buying CCGT inserts wouldnt be a bad idea
[08:17:19] <mrsun> :P
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[08:17:53] <DJ9DJ> moin
[08:18:28] <archivist> mrsun, this shows it in slow motion http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mRuSYQ5Npek
[08:18:46] <mrsun> yeah seen those =)
[08:18:50] <mrsun> quite beautiful =)
[08:20:02] <archivist> you can see the built up edge breaking off and going into the work and the size change
[08:25:29] <archivist> the lump at 4:20 pushing the metal forward is an example of how big in percentage terms to the tool that the built up edge can get to
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[08:39:59] <mrsun> mm
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[10:31:24] <Loetmichel> mornin'
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[12:50:46] <halo_cast> Hello everybody
[12:52:49] <halo_cast> Is there an advantage to use Mesa cards instead of the Paralell port?
[12:54:34] <archivist> yes
[12:55:21] <halo_cast> which is ....?
[12:56:22] <archivist> list too large for irc :) but better control and more io
[12:56:26] <jthornton> everything
[12:56:48] <cncbasher> theirs no comparison .. mesa wins
[12:56:56] <archivist> there is one disadvantage...price
[12:57:08] <jthornton> encoder feedback for spindle, tons of I/O
[12:57:16] <jthornton> hard to beat free
[12:58:17] <halo_cast> hmmm ... what is a recommended "standard card?
[12:58:41] <halo_cast> for a 3 axis plasma cutter
[12:58:50] <jthornton> stepper or servo
[12:58:55] <halo_cast> stepper
[12:59:11] <jthornton> 5i25 + 7i76
[12:59:22] <jthornton> get the combo with the cable
[12:59:27] <cncbasher> 5i25 + addon card 7i76
[12:59:38] <cncbasher> arh Jt's beat me to it
[12:59:46] <jthornton> lol
[13:00:06] <cncbasher> and dont forget the torch height controler card
[13:00:16] <jthornton> THCAD
[13:02:14] <halo_cast> I already found the thcad. Do I understand correctly that the THCAD must be in the plasma housing? and the 5i25 in the PC? What about interference in this case?
[13:02:57] <jthornton> you can put the THCAD anywhere you like
[13:05:18] <halo_cast> Yes but interference on the line to the pc? There is a plasma cutter next to ...
[13:05:18] <cncbasher> i'd keep the thcad at the plasma cutter and use a sheilded multicore cable to interface , and you should be fine
[13:06:09] <cncbasher> iv'e not had any problems with any i have fitted
[13:09:21] <halo_cast> ic
[13:09:41] <halo_cast> the 5i25 cannot be used directly for the spepper output?
[13:09:47] <jthornton> me neither
[13:10:23] <cncbasher> no you need to add stepper drivers
[13:10:59] <cncbasher> all the mesa card does is give you step and direction and io lines
[13:11:39] <archivist> I think he is referring to why he needs 7i76
[13:11:57] <cncbasher> so add stepper or servo drivers and your good to go , with the approprate power supply of course
[13:12:09] <halo_cast> I understood that the 5i25 provides the outputs. what does the 7i76 do?
[13:12:11] <jthornton> and a field power supply
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[13:12:46] <cncbasher> 5i25 is at the pc side , 7i76 is machine interface
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[13:13:04] <jthornton> the 7i76 provides all the I/O and connections for drivers and encoders and spindle and and
[13:13:18] <archivist> and optos?
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[13:14:50] <halo_cast> And why is this better than the paralell port?
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[13:18:57] <jthornton> cncbasher, did you see the G code quick reference thing?
[13:19:51] <jthornton> http://gnipsel.com/linuxcnc/reference/page1.html
[13:20:10] <cncbasher> yea seen the gcode guick reference , great work i can see me using it to repair the old brain
[13:20:17] <archivist> jthornton, needs a way to select alphabetically
[13:20:42] <cncbasher> and an exit button
[13:20:58] <archivist> when that guy pasted code last night I tried to find g80...went to main site
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[14:11:41] <JT-Shop> you mean like this http://linuxcnc.org/docs/html/gcode/gcode.html
[14:12:47] <archivist> yes I had to go there to see what g80 was
[14:13:26] <archivist> one more tab with an index :)
[14:13:40] <JT-Shop> http://imagebin.org/241812
[14:14:29] <archivist> dead servo ?
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[14:27:15] <L84Supper> canned cycles, before boxed cycles and even before bucket/bag-o-cycles
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[14:37:45] <JT-Shop> http://imagebin.org/241816
[14:38:15] <JT-Shop> archivist: good idea on the index
[14:39:29] <JT-Shop> it's the DC motor gearbox for my ATC, it runs all the time in one direction
[14:39:30] <cncbasher> i'm guessing the other 2 wires is a brake
[14:39:35] <JT-Shop> broke yesterday
[14:39:44] <JT-Shop> that's my guess too
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[14:40:42] <cncbasher> if the motor goes up to near where the relays are , i'd guess theirs one stuck
[14:40:44] <JT-Shop> except that the coupling can be turned by hand
[14:40:59] <JT-Shop> so maybe a gear shift?
[14:41:02] <cncbasher> tacho
[14:41:23] <JT-Shop> could be
[14:41:55] <cncbasher> cant be anything else other than either a tacho or brake in that configuration
[14:41:58] <JT-Shop> the motor wires go to three different connectors on the lower right side of the board
[14:42:13] <cncbasher> does the toolchanger run both fwd and back in normal use
[14:42:46] <JT-Shop> yes the motor turns a screw that moves the assb in and out
[14:43:15] <JT-Shop> about 2 or 3 turns lock to lock
[14:43:22] <cncbasher> ok then the dc wires must go to a changeover relay to reverse direction
[14:44:20] <JT-Shop> that makes sense
[14:44:21] <cncbasher> so either a relays stuck or non operational
[14:44:57] <archivist> I would be trying a power supply on the motor :)
[14:45:37] <cncbasher> if the motor runs then the motors ok , it's a switching problem
[14:45:44] <JT-Shop> Brook Crompton AC motor
[14:45:50] <JT-Shop> from UK
[14:45:57] <JT-Shop> tag is hard to read
[14:46:13] <archivist> with that name I was about to say English
[14:46:14] <JT-Shop> 240v 40w
[14:46:26] <JT-Shop> yea that too
[14:46:40] <archivist> is it a capacitor run motor
[14:49:21] <JT-Shop> the end is capped off, might have something under it
[14:49:48] <cncbasher> either a tacho or cam switch
[14:50:55] <JT-Shop> here is the gear head http://www.maraindustrial.com/cart/motors/accessories/oriental-motor-5gk5k-gear-head.html
[14:50:57] <cncbasher> if it's ran of a seperate driver board then i'd go for a tacho
[14:51:02] <JT-Shop> made in japan
[14:51:30] <JT-Shop> must have been labeled by Brook Crompton
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[14:57:38] <JT-Shop> no luck on the motor
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[15:03:18] <JT-Shop> the wiring diagram http://imagebin.org/241818
[15:03:30] <JT-Shop> looks like a fwd and rev coil
[15:03:49] <JT-Shop> and a brake
[15:05:29] <archivist> c100 the capacitor ?
[15:05:46] <archivist> and c101
[15:06:23] <cncbasher> the white will be common
[15:06:38] <cncbasher> and the blk / grey fwd or reverse
[15:06:56] <JT-Shop> the brake must be in the back of the motor
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[15:07:26] <cncbasher> so if the motors running forwar all the time , then either on board relay jammed or mosfet gone
[15:07:51] <archivist> those two capacitors on the panel picture do they look bulged
[15:08:11] <archivist> far right
[15:08:12] <cncbasher> i'ld guess the blk(fwd) is forward energised coil
[15:09:30] <JT-Shop> in photo of the board there are two big black things on the right that say CAP on them
[15:10:05] <archivist> yes are they c100/101 and is one looking sick
[15:11:24] <JT-Shop> the bottom one is connected to wires 29 and 31
[15:13:04] <cncbasher> is their a mechanical switch on the tool arm operating a cam style switch by any chance
[15:13:53] <JT-Shop> no, just two proxes one for extend and one for retract
[15:14:56] <JT-Shop> I suspect one of the solder in relays on the right side of the board at this point as well as the brake seems to be broken
[15:15:06] <JT-Shop> gotta run for now
[15:15:07] <JT-Shop> thanks
[15:15:08] <cncbasher> ok if they operate ok back to the panel , then it can only be a changeover relay or
[15:15:18] <cncbasher> mosfet driver
[15:15:27] <cncbasher> i'd go for relay
[15:15:27] <archivist> does the motor get hot and hum, is the writing in the middle of that capacitor brown ish/burnt
[15:16:04] <archivist> it that cap is open it wont run
[15:16:05] <cncbasher> i believe jt says the motor runs ,,, just dont stop
[15:16:25] <archivist> shorted contacts
[15:16:55] <JT-Shop> be back after while time to take the wife to the big city
[15:17:02] <cncbasher> have fun
[15:17:23] <archivist> I probably wont be here, mains is about to drop
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[15:32:47] <pcw_home> might be a couple triacs for direction switching
[15:36:01] <pcw_home> Just looked at the picture, look like a relay (if its the stuff in the bottom right)
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[15:42:17] <archivist> runs one direction is also a symptom of the limit proxy not seeing it at some end
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[16:22:43] <r00t4rd3d> another of my doings: http://imgur.com/a/f9Zsh
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[16:28:27] <DJ9DJ> wow, nice
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[16:29:35] <DJ9DJ> what kind of wood is that, r00t4rd3d?
[16:29:56] <DJ9DJ> oak tree?
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[16:39:04] <DJ9DJ> hi livegucker
[16:39:04] <IchGuckLive> hi all B)
[16:39:21] <IchGuckLive> biathlon oberhof Germany 1,3
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[17:12:53] <mikegg> I've been playing around with the hal component for an arduino Uno. I've got the digital / analog output working. But the inputs don't seem to work. Anyone else fool around with this?
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[17:18:02] <halo_cast> kikeegg with HAL or Arduino?
[17:19:08] <mikegg> well, both I guess. I think it's something to do with an argument to the python script for the number of outputs
[17:20:21] <mikegg> I'm not much of a programmer, takes time to sift through the python script, and the arduino code... the hal file is pretty straightforward anyway
[17:20:48] <halo_cast> I am currently starting with the arduino stuff
[17:21:01] <halo_cast> how do u read the inputs?
[17:21:06] <halo_cast> on arduino?
[17:21:42] <mikegg> http://emergent.unpythonic.net/01198594294
[17:22:17] <mikegg> the arduino reads them and passes em through serial via a python script into HAL
[17:22:28] <mikegg> *possibly
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[17:26:44] <mikegg> the third bullet at the top of this page: http://emergent.unpythonic.net/01198594294
[17:27:17] <mikegg> can anyone familiar with python clarify how to choose the partition when component is loaded?
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[17:32:23] <IchGuckLive> mikegg: for arduino into python hal ?
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[17:34:06] <IchGuckLive> i made this -> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s5_4S24dW8w
[17:37:37] <Tom_itx> where did you get the case?
[17:37:53] <IchGuckLive> REichelt
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[17:40:26] <IchGuckLive> Tom_itx: http://www.reichelt.de/BOPLA/Herstellersuche/103/index.html?ACTION=3;ARTICLE=73243;SEARCH=BOPLA%20BS%20800
[17:40:56] <Tom_itx> nice one
[17:42:24] <mikegg> IchGuckLive: that's really slick. is the source code in the wiki somewhere?
[17:42:47] <Tom_itx> mine's not as fancy
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[17:51:24] <IchGuckLive> since arduinu gone from 022 it is not working on the new chips
[17:52:05] <IchGuckLive> Tom_itx: Bopla is world wide available
[17:53:11] <mikegg> I'm using Arduino 1.0.2
[17:53:25] <mikegg> the outputs work..
[17:53:35] <IchGuckLive> mikegg: it is not working with the new arduino interface they changed the serial comunication so the com is braking up at 5min max
[17:53:48] <mikegg> ahh
[17:54:04] <IchGuckLive> and the reestablish is not working as in python for some reason on
[17:54:42] <IchGuckLive> also the i2c intern used to comunicate and store the pcf8574 chips has changed
[17:55:16] <IchGuckLive> this chips dont forget and inform the arduiono if somthin has bean pressed
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[17:55:29] <IchGuckLive> a miss but it is all on wirerless gone
[17:56:20] <mikegg> well that's a bummer
[17:57:04] <mikegg> I was going to use the arduino for an analog in. I guess I will try a V-f converter like PCW suggested
[17:57:26] <skunkworks> I have been using the arduino for analog in. No issues yet..
[17:57:55] <mikegg> which model? Uno?
[17:58:03] <skunkworks> uno
[17:58:25] <Tom_itx> 8 or 16u2?
[17:58:27] <mikegg> can I take a peek at your code?
[17:58:51] <skunkworks> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h-CdFd2Zakc&list=UUHk52YjGT8HryRYmJKSl-lg&index=3
[17:59:15] <skunkworks> Tom_itx: I don't know..
[18:00:30] <skunkworks> mikegg: I don't have the hal files here.. But I used these directions and interface
[18:00:31] <skunkworks> http://emergent.unpythonic.net/01198594294
[18:01:04] <mikegg> yeah, that's what I was going off too
[18:01:27] <skunkworks> my arduino didn't work until I updated the firmware on it.
[18:01:37] <skunkworks> (it is in the link)
[18:01:50] <skunkworks> the serial connection was flakey
[18:01:57] <mikegg> cool, lemme check that out
[18:06:34] <mikegg> skunkworks: did you use 0022 ?
[18:15:19] <mikegg> not sure that firmware update is applicable to mine. I just got an Uno R3. trying to see what version the firmware is...
[18:17:31] <skunkworks> I don't know...
[18:17:46] <skunkworks> it has been a while.
[18:19:53] <skunkworks> I seem to remember the newer version required a small change to the sketch
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[18:21:11] <skunkworks> something to do with BYTE
[18:22:31] <skunkworks> I think this was it.. http://answers.ros.org/question/38761/rospde-compile-error-byte-not-declared-in-this-scope/
[18:22:39] <mikegg> i wonder why the analog / digital read steps are outside of the while(serial.avaiable()) loop...
[18:24:03] <mikegg> i'm not getting any errors or anything. the sketch compiles / uploads fine. the vcp pops up no problem, and the outputs work ok. just the inputs are.. dead
[18:24:18] <skunkworks> oh
[18:24:35] <skunkworks> that is odd
[18:25:31] <mikegg> from the sketch, it looks like if serial.available() was always true, it would never get to the analog/digitalRead steps..
[18:27:34] <IchGuckLive> here is the layout that is in the pendand http://www.pictureupload.de/originals/pictures/220212193424_all_boards.jpg
[18:27:50] <IchGuckLive> all milled with a 0.8mm bit
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[18:42:35] <IchGuckLive> mikegg: here is my arduino code http://pastebin.com/pSdvuLMd
[18:45:35] <r00t4rd3d> DJ9DJ, yeah oak.
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[18:45:58] <DJ9DJ> very nice
[18:46:39] <r00t4rd3d> I just got a nice slab of purpleheart too :D
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[19:04:04] <Loetmichel> what is purplehart?
[19:05:12] <Loetmichel> i would like to make something from ebony some time
[19:05:53] <r00t4rd3d> http://i.imgur.com/mdgIK.jpg
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[19:07:00] <Loetmichel> h, i see
[19:10:28] <DJ9DJ> violinholz oder so
[19:11:05] <DJ9DJ> ups: Violettholz (D); Amarante (F); Purpleheart (GB); Purperheart (NL)
[19:12:04] <Loetmichel> amaranth
[19:12:14] <Loetmichel> is the name i know.
[19:12:17] <Loetmichel> nice stuff
[19:14:06] <IchGuckLive> im off have a nice suturday where ever you are !
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[19:15:11] <r00t4rd3d> its extremely hard.
[19:15:16] <r00t4rd3d> and heavy
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[19:17:29] <Loetmichel> i will buy a pices of "drowned" hardwood eventually
[19:18:11] <Loetmichel> the kind that has been under water for at least a century
[19:18:22] <Loetmichel> and is mire stone than wood
[19:18:23] <Loetmichel> more
[19:19:01] <Loetmichel> i think that would make a nice jewellery chest for my wife ;-)
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[19:39:54] <ReadError> how much was that piece r00t4rd3d?
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[19:43:25] <r00t4rd3d> $38
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[19:47:05] <AR_> so i ordered those cheap supported linear bearing rails from china a couple weeks ago
[19:47:11] <AR_> came fine via FedEx
[19:47:25] <AR_> now i ordered a pair again, this time they sent them through DHL
[19:47:38] <AR_> DHL calls me up and says the bearings are classified under anti-dumping
[19:47:46] <AR_> and need all this bullshit paperwork
[19:47:47] <AR_> wtf
[19:48:06] <AR_> also, they sent the packing slip and the seller has my wrong address on it..........
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[19:53:00] <r00t4rd3d> call dhl and start screaming at the top of your lungs
[19:54:16] <AR_> lol
[19:55:02] <AR_> they want a copy of 1040 IRS income tax return, social security number, power of atourney paperwork, etc
[19:55:04] <AR_> wtf
[19:56:04] <r00t4rd3d> tell them to just send them back then
[19:56:19] <r00t4rd3d> that will change their minds quickly
[19:57:58] <r00t4rd3d> also tell them they are novelty bearings
[19:59:30] <r00t4rd3d> for a display and they dont really contain any bearing material
[20:00:34] <r00t4rd3d> did it say what they were declared as on your packing slip ?
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[20:37:07] <AR_> lol r00t4rd3d
[20:37:19] <AR_> they just put "bearing" on the description
[20:37:20] <AR_> .......
[20:37:39] <AR_> i looked at what the other seller put for the ones that came through with no problem, they were declared as "metal stick"
[20:37:41] <AR_> lol
[20:37:54] <AR_> so yeah i'm just going to say send em back
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[20:40:57] <L84Supper> http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/business/2012-08/01/c_131751840.htm
[20:41:06] <L84Supper> U.S. to keep antidumping duties on tapered roller bearings from China
[20:41:19] <DJ9DJ> gn8
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[20:42:46] <AR_> It is just these though, L84Supper
[20:42:47] <AR_> http://www.ebay.com/itm/150957554073?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1439.l2649
[20:42:55] <AR_> do these require duties paid?
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[20:43:26] <L84Supper> those don't look like tapered roller bearings to me
[20:44:03] <AR_> no they are just ball bearing slides
[20:44:09] <L84Supper> http://www.biztrademarket.com/User/172409/bb/tapered_roller_bearings_rkc.jpg
[20:44:49] <AR_> so the only bearings that require a fee are tapered roller bearings?
[20:45:03] <AR_> regardless i dont feel like sending all this paperwork to DHL
[20:45:04] <L84Supper> trying to find the actual ruling
[20:45:32] <L84Supper> http://www.usitc.gov/trade_remedy/731_ad_701_cvd/investigations/2012/tapered_roller_bearings_from_china/reviewphase.htm
[20:46:39] <L84Supper> tapered Roller Bearings and Parts Thereof, Finished or Unfinished, From the People’s Republic of China,
[20:47:34] <L84Supper> looks like DHL is flagging them or the US Customs and Border patrol decided that your non tapered bearings are going to be treated like tapered bearings
[20:48:31] <L84Supper> up top you, you could let them know that they are not tapered roller bearings or just send them back
[20:49:08] <AR_> ok
[20:49:09] <L84Supper> lately I've been seeing people error more on the side of dumb and childish
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[21:04:04] <ReadError> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9qSEfcIfYbw
[21:04:10] <ReadError> thats pretty awesome
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[23:51:29] <andypugh> It's quite unusually quiet tonight
[23:56:44] <adb> 'xmas in Russia ?
[23:59:02] <Tom_itx> stir up the pot
[23:59:35] <JT-Shop> andypugh: do you know what the C100 does in this reversing AC motor? http://imagebin.org/241818