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[00:00:08] <Valen> so hows stuff peeps
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[00:07:32] <JT-Shop> making 6061 rectangles
[00:07:43] <Valen> sounds awesome
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[00:13:48] <JT-Shop> would have been awesome if the material was even close to square from the git go
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[00:14:23] <andypugh_> That's a lot of rectangles.
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[00:50:58] <tjtr33> ? 'socket that will tighten it' ??? sound like NOT a SHCS. sounds like a hex head SHCS use hex keys to tighten
[00:51:22] <JT-Shop> I have socket hex keys :P
[00:51:57] <tjtr33> yah, but do you need additional side clearance in the c'bore ? :)
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[00:52:30] <JT-Shop> ???
[00:53:10] <tjtr33> see gene___'s q's in scroll back
[00:54:17] <JT-Shop> my way back machine is currently borked
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[00:55:17] <tjtr33> <gene__> The head is 7/16" but needs additional clearance for the washer & socket that will tighten it, hence the need fora recess about.8" in diameter
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[00:55:30] <tjtr33> mr peabody sez: <gene__> The head is 7/16" but needs additional clearance for the washer & socket that will tighten it, hence the need fora recess about.8" in diameter
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[01:02:57] <JT-Shop> can you say
http://www.burnsstainless.com/images/products/display/HB.jpg
[01:03:35] * JT-Shop says goodnight
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[01:23:39] <ravenlock> hi
[01:23:51] <tjtr33> archivist ravenrock, wiki page for rotary config from IchGuchLive
http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?RotaryTable
[01:23:54] <ravenlock> are multi-line comments supported typically?
[01:23:56] <ravenlock> a la
[01:23:58] <ravenlock> (
[01:24:00] <ravenlock> this is a comment
[01:24:01] <ravenlock> )
[01:24:13] <jdh> I hope not.
[01:24:28] <ravenlock> hope not?
[01:24:29] <ravenlock> a la
[01:24:33] <ravenlock> comment here
[01:24:36] <ravenlock> */
[01:24:39] <jdh> (it woudl be ugly)
[01:24:39] <ravenlock> grr
[01:24:42] <ravenlock> /*
[01:24:46] <ravenlock> like C
[01:24:59] <ravenlock> ugly is an opinion. but noted.
[01:25:38] <jdh> and less readable, IMO
[01:26:57] <ravenlock> /* hmph. I dissagree. but fair enough. just wondering
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[01:27:22] <jdh> I don't know the answer, but I would assume not allowed.
[01:27:57] <ravenlock> it would be more attractive then what I spit out now. :P
[01:28:13] <ravenlock> many comments…. all variable length.
[01:28:26] <ravenlock> all beginning in col 1 ending wherever
[01:28:35] <ravenlock> makes my eyes bleed
[01:29:24] <jdh> line up the ('s, use whitespace
[01:29:49] <ravenlock> yeah, am. but still...
[01:29:49] <jdh> make it an 80 col comment, indent as desired
[01:29:53] <ravenlock> right done
[01:30:04] <ravenlock> still not "pretty"
[01:30:11] <jdh> G-Code error in test.ngc Unclosed comment found
[01:30:12] <ravenlock> :)
[01:30:27] <ravenlock> nice. guess that answers it
[01:30:30] <ravenlock> is fine
[01:30:31] <ravenlock> will deal
[01:30:59] <jdh> is this generate-once then hand edit code?
[01:31:10] <jdh> or infrastructure like and you just edit parameters?
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[01:35:05] <ravenlock> it is "generate-once".. ideally never hand edit. But I want the comment annotations in there for posterity
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[05:30:37] <tjb1> Anyone here do minecraft?
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[08:08:43] <Loetmichel> mornin'
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[08:13:38] <DJ9DJ> moin
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[11:52:17] <archivist> andypugh, I just turned a sleeve inner/outer at one setting for a hob reducer, clamping grip being enough to hold
[11:53:10] <archivist> also on the horizontal I dont think I have seen people using keys much if at all
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[12:09:38] * jthornton wonders why you would want to have a dual boot with mach and emc?
[12:10:09] <archivist> cos he crazy
[12:10:33] <skunkworks> jthornton: I read that. there really isn't anything that works for both unless he goes printer port and breakout board.
[12:10:45] <archivist> how to be polite and say mak cannot handle the servos :)
[12:10:49] <jthornton> yea I know
[12:10:58] <jthornton> that too
[12:11:19] <archivist> he would have to replace his drivers for step dir
[12:11:28] <skunkworks> the mach side has been trying to get the 5i20 to work - but as far as I know it only works for i/o
[12:11:47] <skunkworks> and even that I am not sure.
[12:12:31] <skunkworks> biab - going to work
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[12:17:10] <jthornton> looks like andypugh bit
[12:21:42] <archivist> jthornton, those tabs on that site are much like the button bar on a site I did for a window company
[12:22:28] <jthornton> you got a link?
[12:23:28] <archivist> has some horrid fading though
http://www.herronwindows.co.uk/ customer wanted
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[12:23:59] <archivist> that us a ul list with css images
[12:24:11] <jthornton> cool
[12:24:23] <jthornton> I'm reading up on that now
[12:25:19] <archivist> the fading does steal a lot of cpu
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[12:38:47] <tjb1> I need to go to bed :(
[12:38:56] <DJ9DJ> good night, tjb1
[12:39:10] <tjb1> 7:40 am
[12:39:17] <DJ9DJ> hrhr
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[13:20:07] <skunkworks> andypugh, the kflop + kanalog
[13:20:49] <skunkworks> $249+$249
[13:21:41] <skunkworks> and as always...
[13:21:48] <skunkworks> Do I need to be a C Programmer to use your Controller?
[13:21:49] <skunkworks> Yes. Certain operations such as Controller initialization and Homing involve User C Programs that Execute in KFLOP. So some modification of C Programs is required. We do this because it is the most powerful and flexible approach. It isn't necessary to be a C expert, but basic programming knowledge is helpful. Download the software and go to the C Programs Screen to get an idea the level of difficulty.
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[13:32:39] <cncbasher> kflops not a bad board works well
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[13:35:39] <skunkworks> have you seen one in use? It seems well thought out. (but you are stuck with whatever has been implimented within the kflop)
[13:36:03] <cncbasher> i have 3 of them
[13:36:17] <skunkworks> wow
[13:36:41] <skunkworks> are you strickly using them step/dir?
[13:36:49] <cncbasher> no
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[13:37:20] <cncbasher> i have one driving old baldor servo drives
[13:37:31] <skunkworks> are you using their gui or mach?
[13:37:33] <cncbasher> one on stepper
[13:37:52] <skunkworks> neat
[13:37:55] <cncbasher> i use their gui , never needed to use mach
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[13:39:32] <cncbasher> one i use just the kflop and stitched it to a triac mill ( which is getting replaced shortly ) for a 5i20
[13:40:14] <cncbasher> the kflop and kanalog ii have on a laser
[13:40:21] <skunkworks> so - then why switch?
[13:40:37] <cncbasher> i need functions linuxcnc gives
[13:40:50] <cncbasher> otherwise i would not change it
[13:41:10] <skunkworks> understood. can I ask the functions?
[13:41:35] <cncbasher> gear cutting etc sync spindle to rotary etc
[13:42:17] <cncbasher> although i have no doubt i could write a script for the kflop to do it
[13:43:23] <cncbasher> iv'e used the kflop for oh about 4 years now , never been a problem at all
[13:43:48] <skunkworks> Tom seems very knowledgeable..
[13:44:04] <skunkworks> (from reading posts on cnczone and such)
[13:44:08] <cncbasher> i just need more flexibility
[13:44:37] <cncbasher> yes Tom's a good guy to know , helped me out in the early days
[13:44:40] <skunkworks> It is too bad he didn't use a more 'realtimey' interface - I am sure he could have dumbed his interface down for linuxcnc
[13:46:11] <cncbasher> all the realtime is dumped in the fpga on the kflop
[13:46:17] <skunkworks> rigfht
[13:46:19] <skunkworks> right
[13:46:30] <cncbasher> with a usb type server in the middle
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[13:47:32] <cncbasher> which is the way most commercial systems go anyhow
[13:53:49] <Jymmm> Re: "skunkworks: Do I need to be a C Programmer to use your Controller?" Would be fun if it was in BF instead =)
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[13:56:21] <skunkworks> cncbasher, I don't know if pcw_home would agree with you ;)
[13:58:05] <cncbasher> well it works and never gave me any problems , therefore it works
[13:58:50] <cncbasher> but no doubt if i wanted to dig deep i'd find something
[13:59:19] <skunkworks> Oh - I am not talking about that - I am talking about the commercial systems going usb...
[13:59:47] <cncbasher> but as the fpga is loaded at boot time similar to 5i20 etc , it's flexiable enough to keep up to date
[14:00:44] <cncbasher> arh yea i'd agree , but if they wont fit anything better than usless USB to pc's theirs not much option for some people
[14:01:16] <cncbasher> unless you want to tear the pc apart of course
[14:01:32] <skunkworks> with hobbiest it seems to come down to - 'but I want to run my machine with a laptop...'
[14:02:12] <cncbasher> yes .. next thing will be with a Iphone 4
[14:02:16] <skunkworks> heh
[14:02:23] <cncbasher> in a large plant
[14:02:51] <archivist> moving to network interface makes more sense for both groups I would have thought
[14:03:10] <skunkworks> yes - peter is close I think....
[14:03:13] <cncbasher> while the operator sits in his chair , having lunch
[14:04:10] <cncbasher> have visitors so must fly , back later
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[14:06:28] <skunkworks> cncbasher, thanks for the insite
[14:13:20] <cncbasher> anytime
[14:13:27] <cncbasher> back later
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[14:28:56] <jthornton> archivist, a sample page I made this morning playing with tabs and tables
http://gnipsel.com/linuxcnc/tabs/page1.html
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[14:31:59] <archivist> coming on :)
[14:32:35] <archivist> some shifting happening, is there a width difference on some of the images
[14:35:40] <archivist> or border/padding/margin
[14:35:46] <JT-Shop-2> it's just one image
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[14:36:04] <JT-Shop> what browser are you using?
[14:36:04] <Jymmm> http://gnipsel.com/linuxcnc/tabs/tabs.gif
[14:36:49] <archivist> ye olde firefox
[14:37:20] <JT-Shop> shifting when you select a tab?
[14:38:07] <JT-Shop> ah the selected tab is causing the shift
[14:38:09] <archivist> yes a pixel or few not a lot
[14:38:59] <archivist> I see some is done in em's and some in pixels
[14:41:07] <JT-Shop> where is that at?
[14:42:11] <archivist> mainly the height settings
[14:42:32] <archivist> in the css
[14:43:39] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: I think it's the padding at the very bottom of the css and/or other elements
[14:43:48] <Jymmm> padding 4px
[14:44:17] <Jymmm> then I see padding 10px elsewhere
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[14:44:42] <IchGuckLive> hi all B)
[14:44:47] <archivist> there is an em sized padding in the top div
[14:45:57] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: Looks nice and clean
[14:48:03] <JT-Shop> Jymmm: how do you see the padding?
[14:48:23] <Jymmm> hmm?
[14:48:24] <archivist> look in the css
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[14:48:57] <JT-Shop> oh, you just opened the css file
[14:49:09] <Jymmm> yeah
[14:49:34] <Jymmm> view-source:
http://gnipsel.com/linuxcnc/tabs/tabs.css
[14:49:49] <Jymmm> add the view-source:
[14:50:32] <JT-Shop> same as
http://gnipsel.com/linuxcnc/tabs/tabs.css
[14:50:33] <archivist> you can play with firebug in firefox too
[14:51:09] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: sure, but FF recognises view-srouce: as a link
[14:52:27] <archivist> in firebug you can hover over the html and see what it controls on the page
[14:52:52] <JT-Shop> ok
[14:55:23] <JT-Shop> I think it is the font-weight: bold; for ol#toc li.current a
[14:56:09] <archivist> yes that would do it
[14:56:11] <JT-Shop> yea that is what is moving it
[14:56:25] <JT-Shop> interesting stuff
[14:56:44] <archivist> I changed colour rather than weight to avoid that
[14:57:17] <JT-Shop> makes good sense to do it that way
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[15:34:42] <JT-Shop> I removed the bold and it doens't jump around now... took a while for the server to cough up the new css
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[15:40:23] <archivist> browsers like to use the css they have in the cache locally, force the refresh
[15:41:09] <archivist> I had to do a shift refresh here to get the updated css
[15:41:32] <JT-Shop> I changed computers! and it was still bold for a while
[15:42:42] <archivist> in between proxies cache too, can be a bit naughty
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[15:56:44] <DJ9DJ> re
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[16:08:43] <Jymmm> HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH I love it....
http://sfbay.craigslist.org/sby/dmg/3497934624.html
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[16:12:11] <tjtr33> are there updated logs for the irc? i've used psha's for a long time, but he hasnt updated for a couple days. thx
[16:14:25] <pcw_home> yeah no 2013 in psha's logs
[16:14:36] <IchGuckLive> tjtr33: did you got your sim
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[16:15:21] <tjtr33> IchGuckLive: yes thanks, will post url of wiki page
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[16:16:18] <skunkworks> tjtr33, logger[mah]
[16:16:36] <IchGuckLive> tjtr33: no need
[16:16:45] <tjtr33> http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?RotaryTable
[16:17:26] <IchGuckLive> tjtr33: why do you upload this CRAP
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[16:17:42] <IchGuckLive> it is a hell of my miss
[16:17:56] <IchGuckLive> can you please remove this
[16:18:00] <tjtr33> why is it crap? if i wanted to know how to do 4 axis, i'd have to ask or look it up
[16:18:22] <IchGuckLive> there are files in that are more confusing than all others
[16:18:41] <IchGuckLive> there are 4 axis in the standard sim
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[16:18:59] <IchGuckLive> that has nothing to do with toolchange eigther clamping
[16:19:27] <tjtr33> ok, criticism is ok, but stay cool, will look into killing it, no it has to do with 4th axis
[16:20:05] <IchGuckLive> the files i send you where never ever sopost to be published onto wiki as there has to be clear infos NO CRAP
[16:20:09] <tjtr33> who mentioned toolchange or clamping, sorry you are confused
[16:20:31] <IchGuckLive> thee is XYZA in the sim and also a STEPPER
[16:20:33] <tjtr33> as iu said before will try to remove, stay cool
[16:20:37] <IchGuckLive> and this is good
[16:20:58] <IchGuckLive> everything else is in the INTEGRETER MANUAL
[16:21:44] <IchGuckLive> so no need to get here this to rotary table
[16:22:03] <IchGuckLive> Rotory table is by far more then A,C
[16:22:15] <IchGuckLive> so please get this off !
[16:23:13] <IchGuckLive> Holy shit my 9axis sim crap as a Example i cand belive
[16:23:56] <IchGuckLive> archivist you have been wright yesterday no privat querry
[16:25:08] <IchGuckLive> tjtr33: you only need a HAL and a INI no more
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[16:25:50] <IchGuckLive> tjtr33: you uploaded 12 files for a simple AXIS_3 -> AXIS_5 change
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[16:26:33] <JT-Shop> Jymmm: that is funny
[16:28:02] <IchGuckLive> JT-Shop: beleve someone reads this
[16:28:33] <IchGuckLive> Therefor im with the devels to get partel access to the wiki
[16:28:39] <tjtr33> cant read it now, all gone
[16:28:48] <IchGuckLive> not public for everyone
[16:28:59] <IchGuckLive> tjtr33: Thanks
[16:29:08] <tjtr33> you are welcome
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[16:30:19] <IchGuckLive> tjtr33: you can do this No problem BUT te Wright way
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[16:39:35] <JT-Shop> tjtr33: not really gone
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[16:51:45] <tjtr33> no, back, i've wiped the files with null files, all gone
[16:55:00] <JT-Shop> http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?action=browse&id=RotaryTable&revision=3
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[17:07:23] <tjtr33> 0 byte files
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[18:04:27] <dgarr> testers wanted for a latency histogrammer: wget
http://www.panix.com/~dgarrett/stuff/lhisto.tcl
[18:04:27] <dgarr> some examples:
http://www.panix.com/~dgarrett/stuff/screenshots/
[18:04:32] <dgarr> usage,in a terminal: chmod +x lhisto.tcl then ./lhisto.tcl --help
[18:04:32] <dgarr> please post (imagebin.org) screenshot if it works, or terminal errors if it fails, thanks
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[18:12:08] <tjtr33> dgarr running
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[18:32:04] <cncbasher> dgarr: here you go
http://imagebin.org/241579
[18:33:00] <dgarr> thanks -- you might want to try with glxgears etc running too
[18:33:21] <cncbasher> hell i have 5 things running as it is
[18:33:25] <cncbasher> haha
[18:33:34] <dgarr> you can annotate for conditions using the --text option
[18:33:41] <cncbasher> ok
[18:33:50] <cncbasher> still figuring it all out
[18:34:06] <archivist> scrolling text in an editor window was better than glxgears on one pc
[18:35:05] <cncbasher> highest i'm getting is 1E2
[18:35:23] <cncbasher> thats on peaks
[18:36:22] <dgarr> the additional pos bins (in red) indicates latencies beyond display range. you can increase bins (--sbins) and/or binsize (--sbinsize) to increase range
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[18:38:03] <cncbasher> http://imagebin.org/241580
[18:38:41] <tjtr33> does --sbins set the value (absolute) or add to the existing value (relative) ?
[18:39:10] <cncbasher> now we need it to go green on a good value , and a message to say this pc is scrap please recycle
[18:39:47] <dgarr> absolute
[18:40:17] <dgarr> maybe i should add a button to start glxgears
[18:41:12] <tjtr33> if absolute , how to tell the current value so user can insert a larger/smaller value
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[18:42:21] <tjtr33> cncbasher, your latency is so small the lines go from pencil lines to a bargraph
[18:42:30] <dgarr> the value in use is the rightmost radio button value on the line "Display +/- bins..."
[18:43:37] <tjtr33> ok, I was maxed at 250, so restart with --sbins 500 (or so )
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[18:46:18] <dgarr> yes (it will update more slowly with more bins) for similar update rates, you can increase binsize while keeping same number of bins
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[21:57:53] <DJ9DJ> gn8
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[22:15:53] <JT-Shop> what does Refurbished really mean?
http://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/B00ABNP28Q/sr=/qid=/ref=olp_tab_all?ie=UTF8&colid=&coliid=&me=&qid=&seller=&sr=
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[22:32:27] <PCW> windex?
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[22:40:36] <L84Supper> 30 Day Warranty
[22:40:53] <L84Supper> vs 1 -2 years
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[23:32:03] <Tom_itx> JT-Shop, is that just touch screen?
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[23:32:40] <Tom_itx> there were 4-6 17" here i could have gotten for $65 ea last year
[23:37:05] <JT-Shop> well I think it is just a touch screen
[23:37:36] * JT-Shop tries to get the time machine to start...
[23:37:38] <Tom_itx> i had one i wanted to use but the lcd got cracked shipping to me
[23:37:43] <Tom_itx> the touch part is new
[23:38:11] <Tom_itx> i got a spare sent with it
[23:38:11] <JT-Shop> I hate when that happens
[23:38:23] <Tom_itx> it still works but with a big spider in the corner
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[23:38:58] <Tom_itx> http://tom-itx.dyndns.org:81/~webpage/SBC/lcd_spot.jpg
[23:39:37] <JT-Shop> that sucks
[23:39:45] <Tom_itx> http://tom-itx.dyndns.org:81/~webpage/SBC/lcdpanel.jpg
[23:39:53] <Tom_itx> that's how it arrived
[23:39:59] <JT-Shop> yikes
[23:40:01] <Tom_itx> it was all free but still
[23:40:10] <Tom_itx> i replaced the touch glass on it
[23:40:22] <JT-Shop> that didn't make it past the package manglers
[23:40:38] <Tom_itx> the guy didn't pack it very well
[23:41:24] * JT-Shop goes back to trying to get close enough to the table saw to cut a new door for the CHNC
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[23:46:53] <JT-Shop> screw it, I'll dig it out tomorrow
[23:47:11] <JT-Shop> Tom_itx: did you see the html tabs thing I was playing with?
[23:48:53] <Tom_itx> i saw something about css yesterday
[23:48:56] <Tom_itx> but not yours
[23:49:12] <JT-Shop> http://www.gnipsel.com/linuxcnc/reference/page1.html
[23:51:24] <Tom_itx> looks good
[23:51:32] <JT-Shop> thanks
[23:52:08] <Tom_itx> easier than regular menus?
[23:52:27] <JT-Shop> the html and css is dead simple
[23:53:23] <Tom_itx> my page is due for a facelift but i'm not in the mood
[23:53:59] <JT-Shop> my CHNC needs a new lexan part for the door but I'm not in the mood either
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