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[00:06:02] <ReadError> nerd kink is like
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[00:06:16] <ReadError> "Im going to mount and then fsck you, I live wreckless"
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[00:25:16] <Jymmm> ReadError: That sounds pretty tame/lame.
[00:26:16] <Jymmm> new printer, not bad so far
[00:26:37] <ReadError> like a 3d printer or printer printer?
[00:26:49] <tjb1> I'm betting printer printer
[00:27:04] <Jymmm> $40 Samsung laser printer
[00:27:10] <tjb1> I win.
[00:27:44] <Jymmm> USB, but I just shared it off the gf's imac in the office instead of plugging it into the usb port on the router.
[00:27:52] <ReadError> Fun scale: -3
[00:27:54] <ReadError> ;(
[00:27:57] <Jymmm> It's fast
[00:28:05] <ReadError> ya all i use is laser printers
[00:28:11] <ReadError> i dont print color really so its all i need
[00:28:19] <ReadError> i got a cheap 3-in-1 for copy/scan
[00:28:27] <Jymmm> Now, I just don't know what to do with the old printer
[00:29:31] <ReadError> extract the steppers of course ;)
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[00:29:50] <Jymmm> It still works
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[00:30:35] <Tom_itx> i got one of those cheap samsungs
[00:31:05] <Jymmm> It still works http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/60/HP_LaserJet_4P_001.jpg
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[00:31:13] <Jymmm> I bought it brand new =)
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[00:31:40] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: Yep http://www.frys.com/product/6878246?site=sa:adpages%20page:P2_FRI%20date:122812
[00:32:20] <ReadError> the toner is where they get you
[00:32:29] <Jymmm> The GF needs to print, the LP likes to jam, but has NEVER been serviced either =)
[00:32:29] <Tom_itx> duh
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[00:32:44] <Jymmm> LJ
[00:33:30] <Jymmm> ReadError: Yeah, looked at aftermarket toner cart for the samsung before buying, but I could almost buy a few of the printers instead of toner
[00:34:02] <Jymmm> I would have preferd the ether, but they wanted an extra $10 for that model.
[00:34:17] <Jymmm> $149
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[00:34:33] <ReadError> you can try it yourself
[00:34:43] <Jymmm> try what?
[00:34:45] <ReadError> wont be any loss if you are already out of toner
[00:34:47] <ReadError> refilling it
[00:35:05] <kwallace> Just use a sharpie in your mill.
[00:35:07] <Jymmm> $6 for a refill kit + chip
[00:35:31] <ReadError> 6$ vs 75$
[00:35:32] <L84Supper> Samsung sometimes uses a fuse in the toner cartridge that they blow when it's "empty"
[00:35:36] <ReadError> seems like it would be worth a shot
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[00:35:43] <Jymmm> kwallace: I can do that with the laser and powder coting paint
[00:36:01] <kwallace> Good idea.
[00:36:08] <Jymmm> kwallace: laser engraver that is
[00:36:21] <Jymmm> kwallace: And it DOES come with printer drivers =)
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[00:36:41] <Jymmm> kwallace: no CAM to deal with
[00:37:09] <L84Supper> ah, but that Samsung uses a chip
[00:37:15] <kwallace> I wonder if that would work as a resist for etching PCBs?
[00:37:52] <Jymmm> ReadError: http://www.amazon.com/Samsung-ML2525-SCX4600-SCX-4623-MLT-D105L/dp/B004PP8DN2/ref=pd_sim_e_1
[00:37:59] <Jymmm> L84Supper: http://www.amazon.com/Samsung-ML2525-SCX4600-SCX-4623-MLT-D105L/dp/B004PP8DN2/ref=pd_sim_e_1
[00:38:02] <L84Supper> you can use many types of paint as as etch resist that you can laser engrave off
[00:38:31] <Jymmm> L84Supper: In this ase, the laser fuses the powder paint
[00:38:42] <Jymmm> case
[00:39:22] <L84Supper> Jymmm: yes, it's also a way of doing selective powder coating/printing on non-planar parts
[00:39:40] <Jymmm> L84Supper: If you engrave something, you then fill it with powder paint, drop the power a bit, run the engrave job again, and it fuses the paint in the engraved area
[00:40:06] <L84Supper> Jymmm: yes, i know, I'm working on a 4-color process for that
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[00:40:11] <Jymmm> You can do it on the surface too, but looks nicer recessed
[00:40:46] <Jymmm> L84Supper: but, have you done it yet?
[00:41:22] <L84Supper> Jymmm: yes, I also develop the polymer powders
[00:41:33] <Jymmm> why?
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[00:43:18] <L84Supper> powder coatings are pretty crude and are designed for decorative purposes
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[00:43:59] <L84Supper> I'm developing functional powders for applications in electronics
[00:44:43] <t12> like conductive/resistance/insulating?
[00:44:50] <L84Supper> also process color so you can decorate with powder for producing full color images, not just mono
[00:45:27] <L84Supper> t12: yes conductive, dielectrics, insulators, semiconductors
[00:46:23] <L84Supper> and also the printers with LinuxCNC inside
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[00:51:18] <L84Supper> the nice part is that you can use the same compounds used or very similar that are used in traditional electronic components
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[00:51:43] <L84Supper> so the final products are very similar in electrical characteristics
[00:52:12] <L84Supper> except for semiconductors
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[01:13:52] <ReadError> managed to confuse myself again
[01:13:53] <ReadError> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/25091878/Photo%20Jan%2001%2C%208%2012%2039%20PM.jpg
[01:14:04] <ReadError> whats the difference between A & B?
[01:14:13] <ReadError> i realize what the L & R are for
[01:14:18] <ReadError> but A and B not so much
[01:14:32] <ReadError> is A for cutting a shoulder ?
[01:15:31] <t12> http://images2.mcmaster.com/Contents/gfx/large/3240al1l.png?ver=11546334
[01:16:09] <ReadError> so what would be used to just do straight cuts on a part?
[01:16:20] <ReadError> length wise
[01:16:43] <tjb1> Depends which way you are turning
[01:16:47] <t12> http://images2.mcmaster.com/Contents/gfx/large/3367al2l.png?ver=9790199
[01:16:56] <tjb1> B would be for a shoulder to the right, A would do a shoulder to the left
[01:17:14] <tjb1> Wait nevermind...
[01:17:31] <ReadError> ahhh i need FR
[01:17:42] <ReadError> 1st time ive seen one straight across like that..
[01:18:08] <tjb1> GR with a radius would probably be better
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[01:22:31] <tjb1> ReadError: Doesn't your toolpost rotate?
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[01:25:43] <tjb1> http://sphotos-c.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/301749_354662661299006_116492917_n.jpg
[01:27:30] <ReadError> it does
[01:27:31] <ReadError> soooo
[01:27:36] <ReadError> i just cut my 1st bit
[01:27:39] <ReadError> pic coming.
[01:28:23] <tjb1> Well the AL and BL can be used about the same then, just rotate the toolpost...
[01:30:03] <ReadError> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/25091878/Photo%20Jan%2001%2C%208%2028%2029%20PM.jpg
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[01:30:34] <skunkworks> ReadError: pretty!
[01:30:41] <ReadError> got a better pic coming
[01:30:51] <ReadError> i wasnt sure about all the angles and stuff, i just kinda guessed
[01:31:02] <ReadError> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/25091878/Photo%20Jan%2001%2C%208%2029%2007%20PM.jpg
[01:31:07] <skunkworks> when I grind them - it is all 'what looks good'
[01:31:22] <ReadError> well thats not a good pic either
[01:32:08] <ReadError> lets try this again
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[01:32:49] <ReadError> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/25091878/Photo%20Jan%2001%2C%208%2031%2051%20PM.jpg
[01:33:11] <ReadError> i might need a finer stone not sure...
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[01:33:42] <skunkworks> hmm - That looks like the angle of the top part is not negative.
[01:34:00] <skunkworks> but it is hard to tell
[01:34:09] <ReadError> well my holder is straight
[01:34:16] <ReadError> so i was under the impression it should be flat
[01:34:25] <tjb1> Why aren't you using the inserts?
[01:34:35] <ReadError> idk
[01:34:42] <ReadError> i kinda just wanted to try sharpening one ;)
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[01:34:49] <ReadError> those insert deals, are cheap HF stuff
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[01:37:21] <archivist> I use a flat top for brass turning
[01:38:27] <skunkworks> I am talking about the edge - the bottom half looks pretty negative - but the top half does not.
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[01:40:57] <archivist> yes the side has to have a clearance angle
[01:43:03] <ReadError> so bring in the bottom some?
[01:43:25] <ReadError> on the long cutting side?
[01:43:48] <ReadError> woh i think i turned this into a magnet
[01:43:55] <ReadError> it sticks to the 1-2-3 block now
[01:44:50] <archivist> http://www.steves-workshop.co.uk/tips/toolgrinding/toolgrinding.htm
[01:45:09] <archivist> relief angle
[02:05:10] <Tom_itx> i think my holder holds the tool at a good relief angle so i don't generally cut one
[02:05:19] <ReadError> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/25091878/Photo%20Jan%2001%2C%209%2003%2036%20PM.jpg
[02:05:28] <Tom_itx> i leave the top flat
[02:05:33] <Tom_itx> and relief the sides
[02:05:45] <ReadError> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/25091878/Photo%20Dec%2030%2C%208%2010%2007%20PM.jpg
[02:05:48] <ReadError> that was the other day
[02:06:11] <Tom_itx> where's today's cut?
[02:06:19] <ReadError> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/25091878/Photo%20Jan%2001%2C%209%2003%2036%20PM.jpg <---
[02:06:41] <Tom_itx> little better ehh?
[02:06:47] <ReadError> yea getting there
[02:06:51] <ReadError> still need alot of work
[02:22:27] <archivist> with a long thin shaft a long way out the chuck, use a lighter (thinner) cut
[02:22:45] <Tom_itx> and a live center if necessary
[02:23:03] <Tom_itx> archivist is that your tool tutorial or someone else's?
[02:23:11] <archivist> not me
[02:23:22] <archivist> a random one I googled
[02:27:49] <ReadError> Tom_itx, you know that SeeMeCNC guy in the reprap chan ?
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[02:27:57] <ReadError> he did a google hangout webshow today
[02:28:05] <Tom_itx> huh
[02:28:05] <ReadError> showed everyone around his shop
[02:28:23] <ReadError> lots of nice stuff there
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[02:28:47] <ReadError> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/25091878/Photo%20Jan%2001%2C%209%2026%2059%20PM.jpg
[02:28:52] <ReadError> now im cooking with butter!
[02:29:31] <ReadError> completely useless part but i managed to get a clean cut finally
[02:30:38] <archivist> note the cut also sounds nicer on a good cut
[02:31:25] <ReadError> i need some little shims i think
[02:31:30] <ReadError> to adjust tool height
[02:31:52] <archivist> very important
[02:33:46] <Tom_itx> yeah i was gonna suggest that
[02:34:10] <Tom_itx> my lathe has a cradle type holder with moon shaped wedge for that adjustment
[02:34:15] <ReadError> well i ground and cut with my 1st lathe bit today!
[02:34:24] <ReadError> thats my small victory for the day
[02:34:31] <Tom_itx> now face it off
[02:34:38] <Tom_itx> see how on center it is
[02:34:45] <ReadError> its below center ;)
[02:34:54] <ReadError> thats why i need some shims
[02:34:56] <skunkworks> ReadError: when is the lathe going to be cnc'ed
[02:35:06] <ReadError> skunkworks, once i learn how to use it i hope :)
[02:35:12] <Tom_itx> paper works if you have nothing else
[02:35:31] <ReadError> i have 5 extra nema 17's
[02:35:36] <Tom_itx> i keep some brass shimstock around
[02:35:37] <ReadError> they could work on a small lathe like this
[02:35:52] <Tom_itx> probably too small
[02:36:39] <ReadError> yea maybe
[02:37:01] <skunkworks> lantern tool post (think that is what those are called...)
[02:37:53] <Tom_itx> could be
[02:37:56] <Tom_itx> it's an older lathe
[02:38:36] <skunkworks> right
[02:39:29] <Tom_itx> http://tom-itx.dyndns.org:81/~webpage/sumo_files/lathe3.jpg
[02:39:36] <skunkworks> http://www.machine--tools.com/By-Location-/Florida-/Lantern-tool-post-atlas-craftsman-10-or-12-inch-lathe.ASPX
[02:40:05] <skunkworks> huh - that looks like grandpas lathe.
[02:40:06] <Tom_itx> that's what i've got
[02:40:11] <Tom_itx> heh
[02:40:50] <t12> heh i have one of those too
[02:40:54] <Tom_itx> i've made some pretty hefty cuts on it
[02:40:59] <t12> its annoying to center
[02:41:18] <Tom_itx> there's a trick to it
[02:41:29] <t12> do tell
[02:41:46] <Tom_itx> i pinch a piece of tool steel between the work and the tool and if it's vertical it's centered
[02:42:09] <t12> ah between
[02:42:12] <t12> the point and the work?
[02:42:23] <Tom_itx> the tool steel will be perpendicular to the bar
[02:42:38] <Tom_itx> so where it touches will tell you when it's on center
[02:42:45] <t12> cool i will try that
[02:42:46] <t12> next time
[02:42:55] <Tom_itx> just don't poke it too hard
[02:43:00] <Tom_itx> just enough to hold it
[02:43:17] <t12> i more just need to fit a better tool holder to the thing
[02:43:48] <t12> http://dodeca-t.com/photos/shop/_E088457.jpg
[02:44:17] <gene__> The lantern tool holder is, while fussy to set, the best of the lot
[02:44:22] <Tom_itx> nice size lathe
[02:44:42] <t12> some 1970's bulgarian direct import thing
[02:44:55] <t12> everyone at work decided it was crap cause they have no idea how to use it
[02:45:01] <t12> and locked it in some room for the last 8 years
[02:45:16] <t12> so i've been slowly getting it back into shape
[02:45:16] <gene__> All of the so-called quick change things hold the bit so far off the center of the compound, it makes them flex and tip over into the work
[02:45:51] <t12> need to make a new compound slide gib or restore the current one that will be
[02:45:52] <t12> uinteresting
[02:46:27] <skunkworks> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2fUcCoj7APQ&feature=share&list=UUHk52YjGT8HryRYmJKSl-lg
[02:46:56] <t12> oh man
[02:46:59] <t12> that looks like a finger eater
[02:47:13] <gene__> nice sized lathe, if its in east of the river, I'd like to have one like that, to cnc of course
[02:47:32] <t12> maybe i'll linuxcnc up that lathe
[02:47:37] <t12> once i hustle up funding
[02:47:50] <Tom_itx> looks like WW2 surplus
[02:47:57] <Tom_itx> with the belt system
[02:48:15] <skunkworks> it is just east of the river... ;)
[02:48:22] <Tom_itx> was set up for a main driveshaft system
[02:48:33] <Tom_itx> where the power was overhead and the belts ran down to the machines
[02:49:03] <skunkworks> yes - someone made a v-belt sleeve to slip over one of the flat belt pullys
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[02:51:47] <t12> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FuwFlW3n_3E
[02:51:52] <t12> recursive modelbuilding
[02:52:46] <ReadError> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nebJ59TcYlQ
[02:53:03] <skunkworks> I don't have a good picture of the monarch http://electronicsam.com/images/monarch/saddle.jpg
[02:53:03] <ReadError> how well do you suppose that holds tolerance?
[02:53:31] <t12> i think stewart platforms work pretty well?
[02:53:44] <t12> they make heavy load optical ones with pretty absurd precision
[02:54:15] * skunkworks wants to build a hexapod...
[02:54:22] <skunkworks> some day
[02:54:24] <t12> http://www.physikinstrumente.com/en/products/prdetail.php?sortnr=700895
[02:55:22] <ReadError> skunkworks: how are the results?
[02:55:29] <ReadError> i think it would be a fun project
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[03:31:30] <L84Supper> have they tried making an even smaller lathe using that lathe?
[03:34:26] <L84Supper> nice hexapod
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[03:37:41] <jdh> what's the most space efficient way to arrange 24 circles inside a circle? 25 would be ok also.
[03:38:19] <jdh> the application is 24 41mm LiFe batteries that have to fit in a cylinder
[03:39:16] <cradek> you will get hexagonal packing. put some pennies on the table and you will quickly see the pattern
[03:41:06] <cradek> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Circle_packing_in_a_circle
[03:41:12] <cradek> wikipedia is awesome
[03:41:48] <cradek> heh it only goes up to 20
[03:42:10] <cradek> http://www2.stetson.edu/~efriedma/cirincir/
[03:43:19] <jdh> cool
[03:43:41] <cradek> cool, 18 and 19 are the same
[03:44:00] <cradek> so anyway I change my answer to I don't know
[03:44:01] <jdh> and 6 & 7
[03:44:09] <cradek> ah right
[03:44:34] <cradek> 17 is funky
[03:50:02] <jdh> I need a hole in the center though.
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[05:06:30] <tjb1> night fellas
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[08:03:02] <DJ9DJ> moin
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[09:45:08] <Loetmichel> *yawn* GOOOOD MOOOORNING VIET^W CHANNEL!!!!!1111
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[10:17:03] <mk0> Loetmichel, HNY?
[10:17:07] <mk0> ))
[10:17:17] <Loetmichel> hny?
[10:17:25] <DJ9DJ> happy new year to ya all!
[10:17:28] <Loetmichel> ah!
[10:17:43] <Loetmichel> HNY to You, too
[10:17:51] <DJ9DJ> :)
[10:18:19] <mk0> ))
[10:19:23] * Loetmichel is just drinking his first coffe this day ;-)
[10:19:26] <Loetmichel> +e
[10:19:51] <mk0> oh, this is from coffee.. did you try alcohol? ;)
[10:20:08] <mk0> EVER )))
[10:20:41] <Loetmichel> a lot of times. but not the last few days
[10:20:55] <Loetmichel> ... other than the one in the pralines
[10:22:41] <Loetmichel> s/praline/chocolate
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[10:29:25] <mk0> me too btw not this days
[10:30:17] <mk0> was f...ing compiling linuxcnc all nights! >:-|
[10:30:27] <mk0> gg
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[12:58:25] <mrsun> http://www.maskinisten.net/viewtopic.php?t=22157&highlight=svarv in swedish but the pictures tells it all ... nice way to do a radius turning tool =)
[12:59:30] <mrsun> another nice way to combine the mill with the lathe =)
[13:00:47] <archivist> that is a boring head like I have
[13:05:44] <mrsun> i thought the idea was quite neat =)
[13:05:55] <mrsun> as you can use it both for internal and external quite easy
[13:06:04] <mrsun> and freal dial it in
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[14:11:26] <Dolence> hi!
[14:11:37] <Dolence> someone could please help me with a weird problem?
[14:11:57] <jdh> ask and find out!
[14:12:08] <Dolence> my cnc is losing steps when going to home/zero, the same amount of steps on each axis every time
[14:12:56] <archivist> go slower, or fix the ways so less stiff, oil, replace steppers with more powerful
[14:13:26] <Dolence> I've put a pen on the spindle position and tried to make a square, every time I re-run the ngc I loose 2mm on each axis
[14:13:37] <Dolence> when drawing I do not lose any step
[14:13:46] <Dolence> just when restart the ngc
[14:15:04] <archivist> reduce your acceleration and top speed and retry
[14:24:48] <Dolence> for 1/4 microstepping, allegro (same as xylotex) driver and nema-23 powermax II hybrid motor around 50 mm/sec in speed and 500 acceleration should be fine?
[14:25:52] <archivist> depends on hardware and friction slow down till you dont get problems
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[14:32:43] <Dolence> even slowing down I still having trouble
[14:33:20] <Dolence> I heard a noisy click on lead screw
[14:33:36] <Dolence> I will do some more tests
[14:33:42] <Dolence> ty for your attention ;_
[14:33:44] <Dolence> ;)
[14:33:49] <archivist> clicks go under the fix category
[14:34:58] <archivist> loose couplers are a common problem
[14:36:36] <ReadError> http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000LB7G00/ref=s9_simh_ot_p147_d0_i1?pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER
[14:36:39] <ReadError> got that for solidworks
[14:36:48] <ReadError> curious to see if it would work as a pendant as well
[14:36:50] <ReadError> with hidcomp
[14:42:14] <L84Supper> ReadError: any idea why it doesn't work with all applications that work with a mouse? How is the driver broken?
[14:42:41] <L84Supper> POVRay, Rhino3d are not supported, I wonder what they broke in HID?
[14:43:14] <ReadError> custom commands
[14:43:23] <ReadError> like theres no way to emulate a mouse being pulled up
[14:43:37] <archivist> no standard way
[14:54:19] <L84Supper> http://www.amazon.com/3D-connexion-SpaceExplorer-Navigation-3DX-700026/dp/B000LB5IXC/ref=pd_sim_e_4 $280 version that sheds its coating
[14:54:58] <L84Supper> it would be nice to have the option of having a well made version, but maybe I'm just showing my age
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[15:01:19] <archivist> start making them then
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[15:45:56] <L84Supper> archivist: to limited a market, the majority of people don't want quality, they just buy a brand
[15:46:33] <archivist> but but .... they all think a brand means quality :)
[15:49:46] <Jymmm> Or a really good infomercial... http://doesitreallywork.org/rabbit-tv-review
[15:51:18] <Jymmm> Late Night Snake Oil
[15:53:50] <L84Supper> they have a fat burning spray on late night infomercials in China, they even show a slab of bacon losing weight on a scale when it's sprayed with the stuff
[15:54:25] <L84Supper> you just spray it on and you lose kg overnight
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[16:01:07] <ReadError> i really want a 3 MPG pendant
[16:01:09] <ReadError> that would be cool
[16:01:22] <jdh> I want a 35 MPG SUV
[16:01:30] <L84Supper> http://imagebin.org/241425 it must be real!
[16:01:33] <ReadError> like a box with 1 on the right side, 1 on the front, and 1 on the top
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[16:06:53] <pcw_home> I think Andy P found one of these in the skip a while back:
[16:06:55] <pcw_home> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dial_box
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[16:09:32] <archivist> one iirc it was a few
[16:10:21] <pcw_home> Maybe
[16:10:46] <L84Supper> there is probably some young dev with a great idea to do this with mult-finger gestures on a touch screen
[16:11:29] <archivist> what is wrong with handles on the machine :)
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[16:12:51] <L84Supper> UP = swipe 45 up and right while tapping your pinky, rotate = swipe left, using forefinger tapping in lower left corner while thumb taps twice in the center
[16:13:28] <archivist> dont sneeze
[16:15:07] <L84Supper> http://theperegrine.com/
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[16:41:21] <t12> sdfgdgfsdfsdf
[16:41:27] <t12> er
[16:41:27] <t12> heh
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[17:24:55] <ravenlock> hola
[17:24:55] <ravenlock> I'm a bit new to the CNC world....
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[17:24:55] <ravenlock> I'm looking for something to validate my CNC code, and possibly "simulate it".
[17:24:55] <jdh> you can install LinuxCNC in sim mode and preview the gcode in axis
[17:24:58] <ravenlock> is 4-axis work I suppose. (x,y,z,c)
[17:25:19] <ravenlock> c being rotation/orientation around z-axis
[17:25:28] <ravenlock> linuxCNC work with that?
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[17:26:04] <ravenlock> grrr… linuxCNC not ported to FreeBSD yet. :s
[17:26:18] <ravenlock> I can install in lunix is I must. ;)
[17:26:30] <jdh> the Linux part of LinuxCNC might be a key for that.
[17:26:32] <ravenlock> err… linux ?
[17:27:03] <ravenlock> right… well *many* linux things run native in FreeBSD as well
[17:27:09] <ravenlock> but thats a different topic really
[17:27:37] <ravenlock> so, the preview mode.....
[17:27:55] <tjtr33> linuxcnc can handle the xyzc, just needs a config that handle the kinematics of your machine. And the simluation is tooltip , not stock removal
[17:28:14] <ravenlock> simulation is "tooltip" ??
[17:28:19] <ravenlock> what does that mean?
[17:28:28] <jdh> it only shows you the tool tip movement
[17:28:31] <tjtr33> the path of the tooltip is diplayed
[17:28:33] <ravenlock> oh oh.
[17:28:36] <ravenlock> ha. k
[17:28:57] <ravenlock> that should be sufficient
[17:28:58] <jdh> there are some demo win* gcode previewers. Don't know if they do 4 axis though.
[17:29:28] <ravenlock> linuxcnc is fine for me if it will handle 4-axis
[17:30:04] <ravenlock> can I input a simple g-code program to it then?
[17:30:12] <ravenlock> or must I do work in LinuxCNC itself?
[17:30:45] <ravenlock> I have written software which automatically generates my g-code. It is this I need validated for sanity
[17:31:47] <ravenlock> would like to generate the g-code, then view it in "simulator" to make sure things are sane before taking next step.
[17:32:40] <jdh> where's the fun in that.
[17:32:51] <jdh> load it up on the machine, hit start
[17:33:04] <tjtr33> if you dont use linuxcnc, will your gcode be compatible? best check the list of commands and format requirements rs324-ngc? (not sure of the rs number )
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[17:33:50] <IchGuckLive> hi all B)
[17:36:45] <ravenlock> jdh, mmok ;)
[17:37:19] <ravenlock> tjtr33, I've only one target machine. Once I get the kinks worked out, all will be well. :)
[17:37:30] <ravenlock> just wana make sure I don't throw it into convulsions. :)
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[17:40:55] <tjtr33> ravenlock, check this and the link it contains, may not be trivial http://www.linuxcnc.org/lucid/index.php/english/forum/21-axis/25931-xyzc-axes-for-horizontal-mill-with-rotary-table
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[17:43:48] <ravenlock> tjtr33, hm. ok. is a little different than my application. but maybe I can work from there.
[17:44:29] <ravenlock> thanks
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[17:49:47] <IchGuckLive> ravenlock: did you post your hal ?
[17:49:54] <IchGuckLive> or even iin i
[17:49:57] <IchGuckLive> INI
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[17:50:11] <ravenlock> no. I have no such things at this point.
[17:50:35] <IchGuckLive> so is it a servo or stepper maschine
[17:50:40] <ravenlock> I do not yet have LinuxCNC installed. My query was essentially if it could do what I am looking for
[17:50:48] <IchGuckLive> stepper means dir and ppulses
[17:51:09] <IchGuckLive> you can shure do a simple like mashine
[17:51:22] <IchGuckLive> there will be no problem for you
[17:51:50] <IchGuckLive> ravenlock: where are you from Country
[17:51:55] <ravenlock> is an OKK VC51. Servo I beleive.
[17:51:58] <IchGuckLive> Europ USA ...
[17:52:01] <ravenlock> USA
[17:52:24] <IchGuckLive> thy to get the servo drivers typ
[17:52:52] <jdh> for toolpath viewing, what difference does it make
[17:53:00] <ravenlock> trouble parsing that last line
[17:53:03] <ravenlock> "typ" ?
[17:53:07] <IchGuckLive> http://www.okkcorp.com/images/machine/VC51-3.jpg this is your mill
[17:53:07] <ravenlock> type?
[17:53:16] <ravenlock> correct
[17:53:17] <IchGuckLive> yes
[17:53:40] <IchGuckLive> X720 Y510 Z460mm
[17:53:59] <ravenlock> sounds about right
[17:54:31] <IchGuckLive> its a relativ new mashine what is wrong
[17:55:13] <ravenlock> nothing wrong (yet). looking for a "simulator" for g-code written by some proprietary software
[17:55:27] <IchGuckLive> ah ok
[17:55:40] <IchGuckLive> so there are a bunch of out
[17:55:49] <IchGuckLive> what is your CAD
[17:55:58] <ravenlock> so, basically…. I can produce g-code in automated fashion. Looking for something to "prove its correctness"
[17:56:03] <ravenlock> no CAD.
[17:56:05] <IchGuckLive> By the way im sitting in Germany and its late here
[17:56:23] <IchGuckLive> so you are searching for CAD/CAM
[17:56:28] <ravenlock> no. :)
[17:56:51] <IchGuckLive> the Control on the mashine has a path viewer
[17:57:01] <ravenlock> I am sitting on G-code. I need to see if I can "run it" without "rinning it"… and potentially borking a product. :)
[17:57:20] <IchGuckLive> it also has a 3D mode
[17:57:45] <ravenlock> I don't yet (cough) own the machine. :)
[17:57:58] <ravenlock> I am sending g-code "test palettes" to OKK
[17:58:08] <ravenlock> to have them prove their machine is sufficient for my needs
[17:58:18] <ravenlock> they will/have cut test patterns for me
[17:58:18] <archivist> just run linuxcnc in sim mode and play
[17:58:24] <IchGuckLive> so go with your code to the mashine get the toolpath in and press SetingsGraph 2x
[17:58:39] <ravenlock> but my "final tests" are much more agressive, and require 1000s of lines of gcode
[17:58:58] <IchGuckLive> the mashine can take 100k lines
[17:59:11] <archivist> what sort of end items?
[17:59:11] <ravenlock> is a streamed buffer according to them
[17:59:19] <ravenlock> no real limit… it pages it in
[17:59:20] <tjtr33> is there an example config that uses rotatekins?
[17:59:48] <IchGuckLive> XYZA
[17:59:53] <IchGuckLive> in the stepper
[18:00:09] <IchGuckLive> sim directory
[18:01:00] <tjtr33> does not use rotatekins ( cnat search for the text anyway )
[18:01:06] <IchGuckLive> http://mechmo.de/sculp.png
[18:02:05] <tjtr33> uses trivkins
[18:02:05] <IchGuckLive> ok
[18:02:13] <IchGuckLive> he only neads trivkins as he only got C axis
[18:02:19] <IchGuckLive> with XYZ
[18:02:34] <IchGuckLive> C mounted on X
[18:03:25] <tjtr33> i was trying to picture wether he could use trivkins, was not sure. like a troyke?
[18:03:50] <IchGuckLive> as the picture of he mashine showes
[18:03:56] <ravenlock> C mounted on Z I beleive
[18:03:59] <tjtr33> i remember how to mill a square pocket with a troyke, and wondered if Axis would diplay it corretly
[18:03:59] <archivist> ravenlock, if the end item is of the right form do you know you can "code" in gcode and not bother with writing cam
[18:04:04] <ravenlock> C is a "rotation around z-axis"
[18:04:04] <IchGuckLive> in Display GEOMETRY is the CXYZ
[18:04:20] <IchGuckLive> then it is shown as in my picture post
[18:04:55] <ravenlock> archivist ??
[18:04:56] <IchGuckLive> let me make a Qick sim Test mashine
[18:05:07] <IchGuckLive> ravenlock: 5min
[18:05:26] <archivist> RagingComputer,
[18:05:29] <ravenlock> don't go too far out of your way. I think I have enough infor for the moment
[18:05:36] <ravenlock> IchGuckLive, ^^
[18:05:40] <archivist> ravenlock, what shape items
[18:05:42] <IchGuckLive> NP
[18:05:49] <ravenlock> I will download and try linuxcnc. may do the trick
[18:07:55] <tjtr33> mill square using c x & z: plunge z, move +x, turn c, move +x, turn c, move +x, turn c, move +x retract Z NOT intuitive!
[18:08:23] <archivist> ravenlock, I started by writing code to generate gcode, these days I just write gcode saves a step
[18:09:40] <archivist> tjtr33, simple stuff to write in gcode, thats basically how I cut gears and other regular shapes
[18:10:23] <tjtr33> yes simple to write, can axis display correctly with trivkins? ( will try here )
[18:10:29] <IchGuckLive> ravenlock: mashine is running G-code needed one momend
[18:11:02] <ravenlock> you keep a mill in your pocket then?
[18:11:23] <tjtr33> :)
[18:11:40] <tjtr33> or are you just happy to see me
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[18:11:58] <IchGuckLive> the boys here know that i got 100 mills like you say pocket size
[18:12:13] <ravenlock> nice
[18:14:45] <ravenlock> archivist… well is a "custom project" for a "fledgling bussiness". I'm obligated to "not say too much" lest you gurus get out there and beat employer to the punch. at which point… they relieve me of my duties.
[18:15:37] <ravenlock> but they products are small, essentially "flat". not like the nice 3d IchGuckLive posted here http://mechmo.de/sculp.png
[18:18:01] <archivist> play with the sim mode I think it covers a lot of needs
[18:18:17] <IchGuckLive> ravenlock: running
[18:18:52] <IchGuckLive> let me make a Short quick video
[18:19:04] <ravenlock> oh. nice. ok. :)
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[18:24:38] <IchGuckLive> ravenlock: video is compiling
[18:24:47] <ravenlock> ok. no hurries.
[18:25:10] <alex4nder> hey
[18:25:16] <tjtr33> ? where is scripts/rip-environment? my rip has rip-envirnoment.in (2.5 from git )
[18:25:17] <ravenlock> I'm working as we speak so…. (aside fromthe lunch I'm gonna eat)…. no going anywhere soon
[18:25:19] <IchGuckLive> O.O B)
[18:25:58] <IchGuckLive> tj did you complile
[18:26:22] <IchGuckLive> . scripts/rip-environment
[18:26:31] <IchGuckLive> linuxcnc
[18:26:42] <IchGuckLive> out of your main compiled folder
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[18:27:55] <tjtr33> haha maybe i never built it! building now and will make clean
[18:29:01] <IchGuckLive> tjtr33: dont forget ./autogen.sh
[18:29:16] <IchGuckLive> and ./configure --enable-run-in-place --enable-simulator
[18:29:27] <IchGuckLive> bevor make
[18:29:39] <tjtr33> yes, plz fix those docs, no autogen.sh mentioned and yes --enable-run-in-place
[18:30:37] <awallin> if your reading the wiki, the idea with the wiki is you can fixe them yourself! :)
[18:31:03] <IchGuckLive> O.O
[18:31:12] <IchGuckLive> ravenlock: almost up
[18:31:52] <IchGuckLive> http://mechmo.de/ravenlock.mp4
[18:33:33] <IchGuckLive> B) :D
[18:34:47] <ravenlock> interesting. thank you.
[18:34:51] <tjtr33> cool, thats xc should be what he wants ( you made film faster than i can compile :)
[18:35:37] <ravenlock> IchGuckLive, I am updating my one dusty linux vm. I will install linuxcnc, and play.
[18:35:41] <IchGuckLive> awallin: best is if you code on linuxcnc and post with proud cour code to the mailinglist and then jep ads only one line to the previus and it is done also !!!
[18:36:00] <ravenlock> (I'm a FreeBSD'er myself). but can get by in a linux world. ;)
[18:36:02] <IchGuckLive> ravenlock: you need the livecd
[18:36:27] <ravenlock> yeah, I saw the liveCD. but often those are only so helpful.
[18:36:33] <ravenlock> I figured I'd install it entirely.
[18:36:39] <ravenlock> that would be ok, no?
[18:36:50] <IchGuckLive> then only get the pagetes from http://buildbot.linuxcnc.org/
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[18:37:19] <IchGuckLive> the synaptic updater will do the rest for you
[18:37:27] <IchGuckLive> only update linuxcnc
[18:37:36] <IchGuckLive> if you want
[18:37:41] <IchGuckLive> no need
[18:38:16] <IchGuckLive> ravenlock: did the Vid show up ?
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[18:38:28] <ravenlock> yes. It looked goo.
[18:38:30] <ravenlock> good
[18:38:34] <ravenlock> thank you.
[18:38:46] <IchGuckLive> NP
[18:38:52] <ravenlock> though I think my application is a tiny bit different. But I will work it out. Thanks for your assistance
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[18:41:16] <ravenlock> IchGuckLive, so, I've got ubuntu 12.0.4
[18:41:20] <IchGuckLive> ravenlock: is it posible to get a picture of your main work or is it secret
[18:41:31] <IchGuckLive> ravenlock: no
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[18:41:46] <ravenlock> no picture exists at this time as it is "yet to be done". :)
[18:41:55] <IchGuckLive> k
[18:42:08] <ravenlock> after I complete this final test palette…. possibly
[18:42:18] <IchGuckLive> go for lucid 10.04
[18:42:35] <awallin> linuxcnc on 12.04 is only experimental for now... 10.04 is the stable release
[18:42:43] <ravenlock> what do you mean? downgrade ubuntu?
[18:42:58] <ravenlock> I thought 12.x was LTS ?
[18:42:59] <IchGuckLive> no frech install if you got space
[18:43:06] <awallin> yes :) if you can run 10.04 (some new motherboards may not work...)
[18:43:25] <ravenlock> I can run whatever I can pull down. Is VM.
[18:43:51] <awallin> can't control a real machine with a VM...
[18:43:52] <IchGuckLive> so go for dektop 10.04
[18:43:56] <archivist> get the livecd from linuxcnc site
[18:44:01] <IchGuckLive> awallin: sim only
[18:44:14] <tjtr33> IchGuckLive, please paste your .ini ?
[18:44:18] <IchGuckLive> no no livecd need for sim
[18:44:32] <archivist> saves all the setup
[18:44:58] <IchGuckLive> tjtr33: its only a fake mashine
[18:45:09] <IchGuckLive> tjtr33: to show the effects
[18:45:13] <tjtr33> i know, but i have probs chnaging A to C
[18:45:33] <archivist> icanhazcnconphone? http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-20891868
[18:45:36] <IchGuckLive> Axis_3 -> Axis_5
[18:45:59] <tjtr33> what in ini? in hal wiring?
[18:46:04] <IchGuckLive> 3=A C=5
[18:46:14] * JT-Shop gets a kick out of watching converstations like this
[18:46:22] <tjtr33> me2
[18:46:36] <IchGuckLive> tjtr33: lets go querry
[18:46:55] <IchGuckLive> so we do not spam here
[18:47:40] <archivist> best in channel so others can check for errors
[18:47:49] <archivist> and help
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[18:58:28] <ravenlock> IchGuckLive, desktop 10.4… will do.
[18:58:36] <IchGuckLive> yes
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[19:14:56] <IchGuckLive> i will go offline now
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[19:15:49] <IchGuckLive> ravenlock: you need to put "deb http://buildbot.linuxcnc.org/ lucid master-sim" into synaptick packet source
[19:18:00] <IchGuckLive> then reload and update linuxcnc
[19:18:00] <IchGuckLive> then you are done !
[19:18:00] <IchGuckLive> by for today
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[19:18:01] <tjtr33> thx!
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[19:19:23] <tjtr33> we discussed the xyzc cfg, IchGuckLive has modified a version of sim | axis | axis_9axis it works, i havent looked at into it to see HOW
[19:20:20] <tjtr33> but I homed the sim machine, jogged X then jogged C and it worked as expected (simple radius then part of circumference )
[19:20:25] <tjtr33> will post
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[19:24:47] <tjtr33> where to post a zip bundle of the config directory?
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[19:29:04] <tjtr33> ravenlock, et al http://imagebin.org/241447
[19:29:43] <tjtr33> how to get rid of the extraneous printing on Axis screen?
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[19:40:04] <tjtr33> i guess this is not ready to run a real machine tho,
[19:40:10] <tjtr33> the ddts for acc & vel are missing on the 4th axis ,
[19:40:10] <tjtr33> the file 'stepper_xyza.hal' is not included ( its a template in this situation but its just not there at all )
[19:42:16] <archivist> one needs to edit things to fit ones particular machine
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[19:43:59] <tjtr33> it was surpising that it even sim'd
[19:46:13] <tjtr33> doh! View | Show Offsets
[19:47:54] <tjtr33> ravenlock, what you'll see in Axis is the tool traveling around the work, what you'll see in a real machine is the work rotating next to the tool
[19:49:04] <ravenlock> well…. for me… I need the "tool to rotate around the z-axis". The machine table top does not rotate
[19:49:23] <ravenlock> the tool (in my application of the machine) does not rotate like a mill
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[19:51:31] <tjtr33> where is the C axis mounted? on head? on table?
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[19:51:37] <archivist> we have seen people make rotating blade machines for sign making, some just drag the cutter
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[19:58:14] <tjtr33> ravenlock, want the zip bundle?
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[20:07:56] <ravenlock> tjtr33, zip bundle?
[20:08:03] <ravenlock> for linuxcnc?
[20:08:50] <ravenlock> I think I can pull down. will be this evening
[20:09:57] <tjtr33> no need, i'm building a wiki page with the notes and you can get the individual files there, you'll need linuxcnc first
[20:15:50] <ravenlock> post link please when ready.
[20:15:53] <ravenlock> I'll start there.
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[20:27:55] <tjtr33> http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?RotaryTable published fast, cleaned up later
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[20:40:12] <gene__> Hi guys
[20:40:45] <gene__> Is there a newer version of counterbore.py that actually does what you tell it?
[20:41:53] <gene__> If I tell it a 1.0 bore, I get .740, if I tell it a 1 1/8" bore, its doing about 1.375"
[20:43:02] <jdh> any chance it is user error?
[20:43:18] <jdh> or incorrect radius compensation?
[20:43:49] <gene__> 4 times in a row? maybe, but its not making sense to me
[20:44:16] <gene__> what radius, it ask for bit diameter, which is always .25"
[20:44:30] <jdh> did you check the generated code?
[20:45:20] <gene__> What I'm trying to do is make counterbores for a couple 1/4" bolts, with hard washers that are about .770 in diameter.
[20:46:09] <jdh> I thought it did standard counterbores for SHCS
[20:46:15] <gene__> and about .500" deep, centered on the already drilled 17/64ths holes
[20:47:11] <gene__> SHCS is a strang term for me, yes it wants to drill a 1.125" SHDS hole about 3/4" deep too
[20:47:37] <jdh> socket head cap screw
[20:48:45] <gene__> The head is 7/16" but needs additional clearance for the washer & socket that will tighten it, hence the need fora recess about.8" in diameter
[20:49:40] <jdh> the pocket generator might be better for making arbitrary sized circular pockets?
[20:49:44] <gene__> the head is 7/16" std hex
[20:50:01] <gene__> let me see if I have it
[20:50:40] <gene__> no, link?
[20:50:41] <jdh> link at: http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?Simple_EMC_G-Code_Generators
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[20:57:30] <gene__> got it, but I don't think I filled in the blanks right.
[20:57:33] <gene__> thanks
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[21:04:01] <gene__> dimension (X/D,Y) represents what?
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[21:04:37] <Tom_itx> lathe?
[21:05:18] <jdh> just guessing, x & y for rectangular, D for diameter?
[21:06:54] <Tom_itx> which one?
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[21:21:15] <gene__> I did set it for inches, but it looks like my slow z feeds have been subjected to the mars math. But it will do the job, which for me is the bottom line. Thanks again.
[21:25:22] <JT-Shop> WOW I just got a flag that flew over Camp Leatherneck in Afghanistan in my honor... I'm floored
[21:26:39] <gene__> Thats Great, in my best Tony-the-Tiger Voice, John!!
[21:27:28] <r00t4rd3d> Just got me a slab of purple heart
[21:28:13] <gene__> And I thank both of you :)
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[21:29:34] <JT-Shop> do you think it was the Anti Monkey Butt powder I sent them?
[21:29:41] * Tom_itx stands a little closer to JT-Shop in hopes it will rub off
[21:30:22] <gene__> I would too, but JT-Shop is about 1000 miles from me.
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[21:30:42] <Tom_itx> prolly a couple hundred for me
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[23:34:20] <andypugh> tjb1: Apart from the price.
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[23:41:44] <Tom_itx> JT-Shop, closing the mississippi in Mo?
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[23:44:31] <JT-Shop> out of water?
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[23:46:02] <Tom_itx> yeah
[23:46:02] <Tom_itx> talking about rerouting the mo river to fill it for commerce
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[23:56:37] <t12> 4